Problem solved for Waterford man after mail carrier drives on his lawn
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ต.ค. 2024
- It's been less than two weeks since 7 News Detroit visited him to share his story of the Waterford United States Postal Service drivers driving on his sidewalk and lawn to deliver his mail.
I'm calling BS from the Inspector Generals. They weren't going to bother with it until they got called out in public.
Exactly
they never do.
“It never even reached their desks” sounds about right for city workers. Most incompetent people that can’t be fired
That’s how everything is though :/
EXACTLY
Was only fixed because of the bad publicity. Shame it took that for the USPS to do the right thing.
typical government agency. we don't care because you dont matter.
USPS has been hugely overhauled through the last 3 decades. I fully believe that his complaints never made it up the chain of command. If they were to do a follow up in 6 months, I'm sure they'd find a new Post Master at the location his mail comes from. And for any other management positions that didn't do anything. The carrier will either be fired or put in a PO facility, a lesser paying job.
The government will find ways to screw you over any way they can unless there is public exposure.
That’s why we have the free press.
yea we need some auditors to go 1st amendment their post office and see how they do with that.
Lies Lies Lies from the Inspector General , They knew.... they just did not care.
Eh all those black ladies in that office. they are good at telling lies
Shut the post office down, privatize it. It's many billions of dollars in debt.
@@KingfishStevens-di9ji ehh, im ok with post office. just beause 1 branch is annoying doesnt mean u throw up ur arms. toss it all in way side....
you privatise it. cost of mail goes way up. that said, not sure how much we use the mail anwyays today.
still i have to admit, its really from what i seen the ONLY department the gov not really messed up to bad. collect mail, send it.
its not fastest but it does get done in timely manner.
that said. city etc should stop being in control of any other contracts. roads, internet etc. you dig into that stuff, any city. there where ur money is going..... wasted money. projects over bid, back door money deals. u want to save money there a big chunk there just for local taxes.
federal.......well u got all the 3 letter agencies trafficking drugs, children, women all over the world. starting wars, killing us citizens. trust me its a dangerous rabbit hole u start to go down u cant climb out of once u learn.
@@KingfishStevens-di9ji That is the WORST solution.
@@Theire1 The USPS would actually typically say his box is too far from the road, for the truck. Now I know why my walking carrier here in North Pontiac handed out slips to many of my neighbors stating their "mailbox needs attention", if any detail of their box wasn't up to the regulations. (Too far from road, or sidewalk, too low, too high, not secure enough on it's post/outside wall, flag is missing, or damaged, etc) There actually are detailed, and specific federal regulations, regarding many details of our mailboxes, and USPS can citation us, if we don't follow the regulations. Even though we have to supply our own boxes, they have to be set up according to the regulations, and be in good working order. Even if you had to buy your box, it's owned by the federal gov't once it begins receiving mail from the USPS.
His box was actually not within regulation, as far as it's placement on the road. You can clearly see that in the video. He should have been given a "Your Mailbox Needs Attention" slip, years ago, so he knew to move his box close enough to the road, so that the carrier could reach it from the vehicle, in every season. The carriers on that route, all neglected to ask him to correct the fault, with a hand filled detailed notice, with the issue(s) needing correction. The YMNA form carriers use (PS Form 4056), is simply a list of possible faults, and the carrier simply places an X next to any existing faults, and leaves it in your box. The real problem is that none of the carriers had taken their training seriously, or were untrained, to perform a self-inspection of any box not meeting regulations, and duly notify the postal customer of their existing fault(s).....Unless he received, and ignored any issued 4056 forms, leaving his fault unresolved, and this was the carriers spiteful response. The home owner was at a regulations fault for Number 3 on the 4056 form.
I'm betting his mail starts getting lost.
Yep cuz they have to walk instead of possibly killing a child
So that came across your mind too?
I bet he gets all of his junk mail, but not any of his necessary mail.
"starts"? you didn't see the earlier news report then...
That’s what happened to my mom after she started complaining. She would get the no one available to deliver note in her mail box about every two weeks with a request to pick up from the office with all of her packages and mail from the prior two weeks sitting in a box.
I highly disagree with your comments. It is against the law to withhold all mail from being delivered. I have full confidence that all the mail that is sent to the young man’s addresses will be delivered as promptly and safely as possible six days per week. Even certain packages will get delivered on Sundays by the part-time USPS employees.
"We didn't know you made calls and complaints for five straight years about our jackass driving on your property and damaging your yard" is the most bs pathetic lie possible
well, it is government.
Slow down, rewind the video and stop it when it shows a view of the street. You will see there are SEVERAL non compliant mail boxes. The neighbor to this guys left has graveled the city easement street to sidewalk and placed his mailed inside the sidewalk. Our homeowner has his mail box in the easement area correctly between the paved street and the sidewalk. His neighbor to the right has their mail box installed inside the sidewalk, ON HIS PROPERTY not in the easement. And on tope of that on the corner! Risking the entire neighborhood.
Had the carrier REFUSED delivery to the two non compliant mail boxes those property owners would be told how to correct the placement and become compliant before mail delivery could resume.
This guy is sandwiched between bafoons. And the PMGenral forcing carriers to walk deliver to boxes (non compliant) on the street is not the fix. It will further delay everyone's delivery.
Notice nothing was said about the phone calls never being answered at the post office. Unless they have a better supervisor that PO will revert back or exact some measure of retribution.
My dad works for USPS and says that calling the post office will never do anything, the only way to solve a problem like this would be to go to the physical office and talk to the supervisor
@@Arikian I imagine in 5yrs he's been to the post office personally. Seems that PO's supervisor/manager needed their ass kicked.
They are making a big deal about how he cares about his lawn, but the guy was concerned about the safety of a mail truck driving on a sidewalk as we all should be. Who ever thought that was OK. When he filed police reports the mail truck should have gotten tickets every time.
No more license for them.
BS. They weren’t trained incorrectly. They were doing it to spite him.
For five years? That's a long time to hold onto that hate.
Oh, you can bet that is the case. Now his mail will be delivered everywhere but his mailbox.
take your meds, luke
Too lazy to walk the route, to begin with.
@@honkie247Now he's going to be back on the news for not getting mail. Lol.
“Waterford man has not received mail in two weeks.”
I know when I used to do park and loop routes that tends to happen. I know this particular guy isn't one of them, but lot of especially old people don't put mailboxes out when they move into an older neighborhood like they are supposed to (anytime someone moves in an old neighborhood that didn't have street mailboxes, that house is no longer grandfathered in, and is required to get a street mailbox). It looks like he is in one of those neighborhoods and likely many have not done as they should, so the carrier just drives on the yard. Technically the others that don't have the correct box should just stop receiving mail.
@@Damitsallhis mailbox is a 5 second walk they can easily get out and put mail in they're just lazy because yea other people have their mailboxes the exact same way and they're still doing their job for them but they're just causing a fight for him. There's no reason they can't do their job to walk 5 feet to a mailbox. They're acting so childish for no reason.
Best to just get a community mailbox installed for a set number of homes in the neighbourhood to be served by the USPS.
@@Damitsallthey addressed that in the original story. Iirc, he had his mailbox at the street, but they said it was too busy to safely stop there. So he moved it in where they told him to, then they started driving on his property and the sidewalk to get to it. This video says this is supposed to be a walking route.
Put the blame where it belongs - on the lazy carrier who wanted to turn a walking route into a driving route and on the postmasters who absolutely knew about the police reports and are lying through their teeth. That no one has been fired for this endangerment, destruction of property, and frankly harassment (given the number of times he’s reported this and the extent to which they’ve gone to keep driving on his property) shows that they’re not at all serious about this. At least it’s fixed for him for now.
@baileysellers7877 I'm guessing you don't really realize how USPS works or the implications of that. Most routes (at least where I live) have 100s if not 1000s of residents per route. Even if it was only a "5 extra seconds" that would add up to you not getting your mail (if the carrier doesn't want to do overtime). Due to mail security and the fact that the LLVs don't have power locks, it ends up taking more like an extra minute per house. It's not about laziness it's about speed, the carriers are usually over burdened as it is.
Cannot imagine the audacity to drive on someone’s lawn and think that it’s okay. The entitlement!
Lawns have ALWAYS BEEN a symbol of entitlement.
@@iGame3D What? Please explain.
Lawns are stupid anyway
1 step away from being a desert
Entitlement is demanding to have your mail delivered to your house at all
@@iGame3D Quiet, child. The adults are talking.
Wow, government behaving badly and then refusing to change until there's negative publicity... WHAT A SHOCKER!!
Government could kill a child speeding on the side walks or private property grass ….. no one cares 😮😮😮😮
USPS is not government.
@@perrysanders9998but it is…it’s part of the executive branch.
@@perrysanders9998 The United States Postal Service (USPS), also known as the Post Office, U.S. Mail, or Postal Service, is an independent agency of the executive branch of the United States federal government responsible for providing postal service in the United States, its insular areas, and its associated states.
@@perrysanders9998get a clue pal
This NEWS CHANNEL deserves credit for helping this man.
They did enough patting themselves on the back throughout this entire video.
Truth. If this wasn't televised they wouldn't have done anything.
Why didn’t they just put the mailbox at the curb? The neighbor’s are. People would rather complain than use common sense. Change it from a walking route to a driving route. It’s too hard and takes much longer to walk the neighborhood.
@@sueteranthe road is narrow and a mail truck obstructing the road would create accidents. The lazy government workers can get out and walk. That’s the job they signed up for and are compensated to do.
@@sueteranInstead, the neighborhood has just been converted to a walking route. Which means that every single homeowner in the neighborhood has to purchase and properly install a brand spanking new $150-$300 Post Office approved wall mounted mailbox. If they don’t, they will be subject to fines and being forced to pick up their mail at the Post Office.
Many things get ignored until they see the news .
or when the issue is escalated to higher people.
I bet the Biden Administration got wind of the story and called Dejoy to take care of the issue.
The postal service ignore him until he blasted them on the news. They knew the entire time.
THe gOVerNMenT DoeSN't LiE!
Not always, there are some people who refuse to pass the information on up the line. I worked with a supervisor who would not relay information up the line letting management know of issues. I had sidestep them in the end to get results.
This is what he’s effectively done in the end, the local office to him were NOT doing there job they did NOT want to place a walking postman on that rout because they were getting the mail out fast. Upper management don’t always know what is happening below them when those below them are hiding or misplacing complaints made due to the fact they don’t want to change how they are running their section.
He knew someone at that office was not doing their job, but his hands were tied, the police could only deal with those local to them as well. Someone at the local branch was making sure it was getting lost and never passed up the line. Who ever that person was will have lost their job because of this.
@@M_Hawkinsonno the government don’t lie, but people who work in government do lie. That’s the difference.
@@dawsie your last comment is far too complex for some folks to understand
yes im sure he talked to drivers and the post office but nothing happened, even police didn't help 😂😂😂😂
BS, they knew!
Of course they knew, they don't give a shit about that dude. They're only doing something now because they got caught and don't want all the other illegal shit that's going on to get investigated. I'd like to see their "lost or stolen" mail numbers look like. The usps, like every gov entity, is a joke and needs to be done away with, only business that turns a loss year after year after year and still stays open. We need a president to shut down all these bs agencies that do nothing but cost tax payers money.
USPS is the laziest and the sleaziest.
@@KandiKloverIdk if I'd go that far given all of the scummy things I've seen FedEx do over the years. Half the time I don't even get a knock on my door these days, which is a problem when packages get stolen in my area relatively frequently.
Hear, see, say, no evil
@@KandiKlover No they're not. Stop repeating orange rapist man.
Yes, props to local journalism, this is how things should be.
I've been following this story from Florida. I'm glad to see it resolved and to see the benefits of good journalism.
Every employee that help sweep it under the rug should face losing their jobs!!!!!!!
Never going to happen. Union
Good luck with the NALC union 😂
Really? Everyone? I wonder with people like you, how many bad things you’ve done and what judgement you should face…
100% but of course they are Union, never going to happen.
That union has been an affiliate of the Teamsters for quite some time now. Good luck!
It's refreshing to see a news station providing a platform for people to voice legitimate complaints.
They are lying... they knew all along, it took the public exposure to get action, and he is the only one they are doing anything about.
No, it is now a walking route. Even in the clip they say it helped others in the neighborhood
It's called DEI. When the minorities complain that they aren't getting enough jobs so they start getting jobs they had no qualifications for and do the job poorly this is what happpens. It's not a meritocracy it's a who gets the diversity hires.
@rooh5825 Maybe he was contacting the wrong dept? Of course the employees aren't going to do anything, they'd get in trouble. It is all about contacting the correct person, department, or even a separate company over them. I have had personal experience with something like this. In my case, all the calls, voice mails and emails were ignored until I contacted my * State Senator (Ron Wynden, Oregon)* regarding the issue (It was the HAMP mortgage modification program) who replied within days and said they wanted to handle my case. Because my case was regarding Wells Fargo Bank they contacted The Office of the Comptroller of the Currency. Within days I got phone calls and emails and a letter of apology from Wells Fargo, and most of all, immediate help to get the HAMP mortgage approved for me. Ya gotta contact the correct people.
Years ago we had a mailbox on the house. They had to get out of the Jeep walk up and put it on the porch. They told us they weren't going to do that no more we had to put a mailbox up on the road side. I told them we didn't have the money to buy a mailbox. At the time we had repeatedly had to water and light both turned off for non payment. Money was super tight. I explain this to them. A few days later we found a brand new mailbox sitting on our porch. Inside was instructions on heights and placement. I put it up the next day. 30 years later I still use the same mailbox. My local postal carriers are nice.
😮😮Public officials can be nice. They are just people. Good or evil.
Thanks for the story. I've known a lot of really friendly and helpful letter carriers myself.
Great but does not apply to this.. for 5 yrs!!! If not video, media public .. this mail carrier would continue.. and this guy would not get justice!!
Did my taxpayments buy you a mailbox? WTF!
@@kevincinnamontoast3669, technically, no. But you do pay for it with the price of stamps. There's probably a rule somewhere that says the postal service has to provide mailboxes in cases of hardship.
News needs to follow up with, seeing who swept it under the rug and are they punished.
It’s federal employment! They won’t be punished. If you think THAT’S bad…..go to work for the VA!
@@Bsn2004 Whoa...You mean FedEx is in on it too? _Unreal._
Bad managers just get moved to others offices, they are never fired. Well unless they themselves kill someone.
Local USPS postmaster knew all about it, they are just pretending the employees never told them.
Nah, the employees enjoyed not having to get out of their vehicles to deliver the mail and felt they were exempt from the laws stating they couldn't drive on sidewalks so of course they weren't pushing the complaints further up the chain to their district offices.
@@chorlesteajones6794Doubtful. I’m sure multiple carriers told the postmaster, and the postmaster declined to do anything about it. Carriers are only allowed to dismount if authorized, and the post master is the one to authorize it. The postmaster is 100% to blame here. Not the carrier that just didn’t want to get fired for dismounting without authorization.
The local postmaster was the problem... the Deputy General doesn't work at the post office level, and I'm sure probably was never told about it.
The problem is I'm sure its an old park and loop route, but those are going away. Technically the only people who are allowed to still have mail delivered by foot are those who have been grandfathered in and have lived there for around 50 years now. The problem is some Postmasters don't do a good job of forcing old neighborhoods into putting street mail boxes in or CBUs.
How do you know that?
I'm a mail carrier.
I am so pleased with the outcome of this story.
What this office/district was doing is well outside of our safety training nationwide, and sadly they were able to hide their misdeeds from higher authorities until this man went to the news with it.
My office/district isn't perfect, but this was such an obvious offense that none in my area could/would have tried to get away without serious discipline.
Walking route. Duh, what a concept! Why in the world did they attempt it any other way? That street is a nightmare for a driving route!
not only that, it's ILLEGAL to drive a motor vehicle on a sidewalk.... regardless of who you are or who you work for (the only possible exception is the police and only during an emergency or the ambulance, same situation)... and I don't mean the little bit to put the mail in the mailbox. I'm talking about the video of the mail truck driving several yards down the sidewalk past a sign and tree....
i call BS on the PO boss. he knew what was up.. what a joke. if he really didnt. then he needs to step on the toes below to fix the reporting issue chain. fools never work for the goverment they sit on there duffs.
Government will NOT fire him. No matter how incompetent and bad he is at his job
@@aaronlandry3934 Which only attracts more incompetents. 😕
Most routes that were delivered this way was supposed to be walked?
Then the up charge in fuel/mileage shoulda clued them. But have you seen the carriers lately? There’s a large percentage of them that are lazy and hid this. Hid it for a while too to have others in management in on the lost reports.
But it’s all gonna burn down now!!
very true, and I say this as a federal employee
I don't believe for a second that the local leadership was unaware of this issue. I do believe, however, that once this story went national, national postal leadership did NOT want this coming up in a congressional hearing and made a few calls. De Joy testifies before Congress on a semi-regular basis. I can easily imagine that he would not want to answer questions about this.
You haven't studied De Joy enough. He loves that he has no accountability to Congress and has told them more than once, 'get used to me because I'm not going anywhere'. They have tried to fire him and can't. He wants the USPS to fail because he was brought in to make it fail. It's why he removed sorting machines to slow the service down. His mission has always been to make USPS privatized - so answering questions about this would be a walk in the park for him.
@@jetsamperes5762 I won't claim to be a De Joy expert, but my read is that he believes major changes are required. He has support from roughly half of Congress depending upon how extensive he attempts to change USPS and the other half is generally opposed to him, but may accept some small changes.
But I still don't think he'd want to have to answer "why are postal employees driving on the sidewalk"? There isn't any real way for him to win in that situation.
@@kcgunesq
DeJoy was installed by Trump to destroy the Postal System. He's doing a great job of that. Dems haven't gotten rid of him, which means they're also paid off by Fed Ex, UPS (which DeJoy is affiliated with) They want to privatize it all.
International. I'm from the UK.
Oh those guys weren't local, those are regional so they're not only in charge of that city but several other cities possibly counties.
How ironic, took 5 years to make it to their Inspector General's desk (snail mail). Maybe they should have a meeting with the local Police Department as they didn't take it to the proper people either!
He should have mailed his complaint to the inspector general
I'm wondering why, after a year at the most, he didn't send his complaint to the Inspector General registered, signature required? It would've proved their lack of response & the peons wouldn't have gotten blamed for sweeping it under the rug.
Even a CHILD who doesn't drive could point out that the mail carrier was in the wrong and shouldn't be driving on the freaking sidewalk. Literally wtf.
Also post masters can be absolute garbage
My 3 yr old is still so mad he yells at every mail truck he sees
Headed by tRump selected Louis DeJoy… the guy who removed mailboxes to deter mail-in balloting, in fact to deter voting, in select (urban/Dem) districts. IOW 💯
A child would probably have sense enough to ask why his mailbox is on the wrong side of the sidewalk.
@@TimothyFishif you listen closely they said it was supposed to be a walking route.
@@zodarian6705, the statement from the postal service doesn't say that is a walking route and the postal service is the only organization that can provide an authoritative answer to the question of whether it is a walking route or not. I can say from looking at the type of mailboxes and the fact that those mailboxes aren't blocked by parked cars that it doesn't look like a route that they would classify as a walking route.
The complaint box with a paper shredder at the bottom is common government policy.
That’s giving the lazy feds way too much credit and ingenuity. They just put it straight into the circular file cabinet.
Yep. File 13.
When a complaint is a non issue it gets ignored.
We had a schizophrenic sovereign citizen guy delivering complaints covered in poison that sent a bunch of people to the hospital once.
He better. I am in Los Angeles, CA and viewed this. And prayed on him.
Will bet his mail starts getting accidentally delivered to someone else.
It usually happens anyways!!
Yeah, delivered to a creek.
the dumpster
and these two are now dating. It’s really a win win!
@@FlyingCircusActno way!?
Good job Benny ! I think you have been very patient with these knuckleheads. My late father was a USPS employee for 40 years. When he retired in 2001 he said things had already gotten so bad that he did not recognize the post office he knew , anymore. He said many of the employees did not care at all about doing a good job and serving the public. He also said it was virtually impossible to get terminated or fire anyone.
👍🏽 I too have an Uncle who Retired from the post office in a small Rural town. He’s a Great man and was a Respectful and Kind mail carrier. And what you mentioned is Truer than True, that there’s **No Accountability** at USPS because employees Know it’s darn near impossible to be terminated.
That was why I couldn’t stand it. It was like working with DMV employees every day.
Yh. Now the USPS either does stuff to get you to resign or they make up lies and excuses to get rid of you if they don't like you
PS Ik cause an ex USPS employee, I seen first hand how they operate
It's gotten much worse. I started as a carrier in 1998 and the past 10 years or so have really gone downhill quickly. When they hire people I don't think they even interview them anymore. They just check for a pulse. We went through 17 new hires in an 18 route office in 6 months before we got one that stuck around. We have quite a few newer employees that never would have made it through the 90 day probationary period when I started, but are kept now because "it's a body" and now they're full time and we're stuck with them. I'm beyond tired of apologizing for these coworkers and I'm just waiting till I can retire and get the hell out of there.
Usps needs to get shut down... theres 3rd party companies that do a vastly better job than usps and it doesn't cost tax payers a dime to keep them in business/paying 9ut pensions for shitty gov employees.
My carrier used to drive on my lawn because otherwise he'd have to back up to deliver my neighbor's mail without getting out of the truck. I live on a double dead-end street, and the neighbor's box faces the middle of the cross street he drives in on. He can reach the neighbor's mailbox if he puts one wheel on my lawn before he turns back into the road. When I called the post office, they told me carriers are trained to NEVER back up in an "LLV" mail truck. When he gets done with our street, he executes a three-point-turn at the end every single day. BS that he can't back up ... he does it every day, 50 yards past the point where he was digging up my grass. Now we've got a carrier who seems to have more respect for property than his own convenience, but we didn't get him until years after they kept rutting up my lawn.
I'm reminded of that old saying, "Sunlight is the best disinfectant" Thx for the news covering this
Omg. That reminds me of a episode of hoarders I watched where a lady actually thought sunlight disinfected her rat pissed junk. 😂😂😂
@@weskelly4538 Well, I guess to some degree UV light does kill many pathogens on the surface of things, but still.. yeah.
@@matej.m.rejsek8537 no it doesn’t. They had some professional whatever come in and test the things. Not one germ came off from the time before she put it out in the sun til after.
Never heard of that saying but, if you do not mind, I WILL BE USING IT!!
I'm so glad that this had such an impact. hopefully more reporters will see that we still want real journalism, and that it still has the power to change the world! great job!
good on Sarah for keeping up with this story! great example of reporting in todays age
I commented on the original posting that this was a local management problem. The employees were allowed to do what they wanted because management was non-existent and just collecting a paycheck. I've lived in different areas of the country, and some postal services are amazing, and some are seemingly corrupt. Similar to some restaurant chains. The management, district management, and/or regional management are often the ones to blame.
Internal corruption, who would've known?
And in the pristine city of Detroit? If you don’t like their driving, then stay off the sidewalk. It just became real.
Breaking news...The USPS will be creating a "District Training Course," built at an off-site five-acre parking lot purchased for $492,000. The training course will feature a complete city block/simulation of the street, homes, and autos, as well as actors hired to ride bikes, push mowers, and wander sidewalks. Built for $2.4 million, they hope to have the first class of postal delivery drivers through the training course in 2049.
😀😀😀😀😀
I wanted to laugh at this..
I wondering how many and how long the Mail carriers will be holding a grudge agiasnt him now. Make them WALK instead of driving.
It was probably meant to be a walking route to begin with, since similar complaints.
@@ChakatNightspark I really don't give a dam they can hate me all they want stay off my lawn. Simple I d9nt care if they drive or walk personally. Just stay the f off my lawn. Simple . Why? cause it's mine.
Sometimes it is faster to drive off a split, so the split is set up that way. The post office doesn't pay us to take extra time on our routes.
I have a number of mounted splits on my route that would take twice as long if I walked them.
Welp, when you hire obese lazy pos's....
@@bennyhunt256 yeah well my mailbox is right up on the road so it’s not even possible for them to do this. I don’t have my mailbox way back like a jackass.
I’m so happy for this man, who has tried for over 5 years to stop local mail carriers from driving onto his lawn and down the sidewalk. I hope USPS follows through and that this dangerous trespassing ceases. What puzzles me is that a mandatory course is now being developed for the district mail carriers in order to train them about safe, legit delivery practices THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING ALL THIS TIME. And WHY is a COURSE necessary? Isn’t it enough to have a staff meeting between carriers and managers, so that these messages can be conveyed: 1)Stop driving onto people’s lawns! 2) Stop driving on the sidewalks! 3) Follow these rules on how to deliver mail (rules are then listed). 4) If we get any reports that you drive onto lawns or onto the sidewalks, you’ll be fired. Short, clear and to the point. Also, I hope the man in this story follows up with legal action, because his complaints over those 5 years were totally ignored.
Oh I definitely am
There kinda already is a course that covers "Don't drive on sidewalks." It's called driver's education.
@@bennyhunt256Five years of covering up their insane dangerous sidewalk driving needs to result in serious consequences. You can’t destroy a man’s property and endanger the public welfare (while breaking the law) for five years and then just say after being busted in the national media, “Oops! We’ll stop now. My bad.” Benny - you find a great lawyer and make sure the consequences are enough to stop this nonsense from continuing elsewhere 👍🏼
Union.
Welcome to the union...
Every resident: guess it’s time to put the trash barrels out on the sidewalk - every day of the week.
Huge props to the reporter for following up and helping this man get justice
How is this injustice? In many cities, the sidewalk to the street is public property. Aside from the safety risks of driving on a sidewalk, it does this man no damage if they drive on public property to get to a mailbox that he put in the wrong place.
These two are now dating, what a happy ending!
@@FlyingCircusAct, I find that unlikely. For one, she appears to be married. For another, no woman is going to date a man that she wrote into a story as a person who is weak and in need of her to come be his hero and save the day.
@@TimothyFish It's true.
@@TimothyFish Did you see the previous story? His mailbox was in the same place as everyone else's but ONLY his side walk + lawn was getting driven on. It damaged his sprinklers and whatever else he'd put on his lawn. So he moved it further down to make it easier for them and to avoid damage and they still kept doing the same thing. How is this not justice?
The mail carriers are gonna LOVE this new walking route..
This was an old walking route mailboxes were moved from houses down to sidewalk some carrier decided to just drive it
Thank you for bringing this the attention it needed. I doubt anybody will be held accountable for "sweeping it under the rug."
I’m really glad I stumbled upon this follow up report because seeing the previous one sometime ago was really frustrating.
The algorithm is a mind control menace
I agree.
"...really frustrating" 🤣🤣🤣
The Post Office is the most opaquely run government organization. The fact that the Deputy Postmaster and Postmaster knew nothing is astounding. The fact that their emails aren’t known but dude had to go to Channel 7 is ridiculous.
And the Postmaster General has a conflict of interest with his own shipping business
I worked there it's rotten from the top down
The Post Office is a corporation but not a government agency.
They knew
another government money pit. a lot of their employee's could'nt keep a job in the real world.
To add insult to injury, if that sidewalk cracks, it’s the homeowner who is responsible for repairing it!
No… technically your property only goes to the sidewalk edge, and then the sidewalk and everything to the street belongs to the city. that’s why I just called in a request to have the tree trimmed in front of my house. City tree. However, you are required to maintain the appearance of the sidewalk and the grass that goes to the street even though the city owns it.
no its not cause the homeowner did not put it there, its city or county.. the city has a right of way near the road, they are not in his grass.
Mad respect to him and the reporter for being this to light, and getting this fixed!👏👏🙏🫡💪
But, let’s face it. They did the damages on purpose, did nothing about the reports, and refused to walk their route out of sheer laziness, spite, and just being ghetto!
They better not pretend that his mail gets lost, or do anything else out of spite since they all have to be retrained!🤦🏻♀️
And in reality, they’re many towns and cities across the country that they do this in, just driving right across private property! The last home we sold the mail carriers would drive right across our lawn!
So glad that News 7 was able to bring this to the attention of the public about the USPS carelessness. Way to go guys. 👍👍
There you go!👏👏👏 I complained about a lot of things at my job for a long time. Some results happened and my coworkers were shocked that my determination resulted in changes at my work. We are supposed to get a heater, this year.
Someone in that post office needs to get fired!
Why? F this guy.
They won't. They'll get moved to other post offices and other positions where they can be lazy and incompetent at other things.
Sounds like the the entire post office should be replaced
Good luck. Federal employees are the laziest because they never get fired for anything.
If it's a confirmed walking route, my box would be put on the wall right outside of my door for now on.
I don’t understand if this is a park and loop (walking) route why anyone would have a box on their front lawn. That would generally be mounted type delivery. Every walking route I carried , the customers had their mailboxes attached somewhere on their home.
@@vinceb755 when I purchased my recent home it's mailbox was on the side of a porch door, I put in a change of address but my mail never showed for weeks, I went to the Post office they told me I had to move the mailbox either behind my house on a different street than it's legal address or across the street in a 6" strip of grass between the curb and sidewalk? The second one would make it extremely dangerous to check the mail because we live on a US business route I can see the massive post office building from my house. They said the previous homeowner was grandfathered in , and new owners had to move their mailbox"For Carrier Safety?" They can't use steps because it's dangerous???? I got them to deliver to my front door only because my wife is blind and making her cross the street I would open a huge lawsuit if she got hit by a car! My Towns PO requires RD Boxes even though it's a Walking Route because they don't want them getting out of the mail truck unless they have a package? The town is small 5000 people. Crime is not an issue as of today only one murder in the last 20 years. . They have no valid excuse for these possible illegal rules , the Post Master General does nothing but defend the carriers "Safety '?
good point
@@vinceb755was probably a driving route but got switched to walking because it’s the government so whatever cost cutting bs they did probably had drivers start walking and they weren’t happy about that so they answered by driving over peoples lawns lol
@@AHomelessDorito , the post office isn’t allowed to change delivery type once it has been established. Furthermore, they would never switch from mounted (driving) delivery to walking because walking is the least efficient form of delivery. This is why all new homes built are now required to have a central box located in the development. That is the cheapest form of delivery.
Am I the only one to see that mailbox is located too far from the curb? Try installing it out by the curb and you will see an amazing positive change in your mail delivery.
EXACTLY.
addressed in the original story. try to keep up. the post office said it was a hazard at the curb.. made him move it.
Never, ever seen a box on the sidewalk. Only ever by the roadway.
@@primeideasconsultingreally? I can walk out the front of my house and look down the street and see several. Some have them by the sidewalk and some literally attached to the house.
Why is the mailbox of a motor-carrier route not mounted on the roadside? Only walking routes should the boxes be at the house. At NO TIME do homeowners need to mount the mailbox ANYWHERE they wish. Mail is to be delivered, it is a NOT a hunt for your mailbox. Everyone wants to be special....nothing special about making bad decisions.
He mounted it on the roadside. Watch original video. Post office refused delivery.
It isn't a driving route, it was a walking route that they were driving. Watch the video again. Also there is a previous video which shows there reporters and home owners original conversation.
they'll be back at it within a few months.
Sarah is one honey of a reporter
Someone along the chain was covering for the postal worker and preventing that report from getting to where it should. They should be fired. Glad this issue was finally resolved. Kudos to Benny for standing up for himself and speaking out!
There's no way management didn't catch wind of this for FIVE years. They're just saving face and throwing the carriers under the bus. Doesn't make either of them more or less guilty of the fact that they purposely did this to spite people.
I can believe it. He probably called the post office, they told him he would need to move his mailbox and he didn't do, but they assumed it was taken care of. Five years later, it shows up on the news and at that point management hears about it and actually sends someone out there to tell him where to move his mailbox to.
He probably said day one "hey why don't you just walk instead of driving on my lawn" and they said back "okay I'll do that tomorrow sir" but that tomorrow never came and now it's 5 years later and the news and some probations going on.
I'm told the postal service tells you where to place your mail box. I'm wondering why only one mailbox is way back from the road . compared to the rest. That looks like the problem. My wanted a walking carrier. They said no.
Yeah why isn’t his mailbox in the right place? Can we talk a out that for a minute lol
Exactly. His own fault, but he whined for 5 years.
It was a walking route. Not a driving route. It used to be on one side of the sidewalk and they drove on the sidewalk. So he moved the mailbox closer to the road and they stopped delivering the mail. There is no way this is the home owners fault. The deputy post master even said as much.
They had no business doing the route to begin with. The drivers were trained wrong, and I think they were doing it out of spite. There is no way a person could logically say, "hey this is a walking route but I'm going to drive it AND I'M going to drive on the sidewalk " and not sound like you are smoking something you shouldn't be smoking.
It’s a shame the guy needed the media and internet to get his problem solved. The city and USPS were complicit in this.
Yeah, he could've done what normal people do and just moved his mailbox to a location where it was easy to get to.
This is what you call passing the buck. The local USPS leadership kept sweeping the problem under the rug. When the news broke out, they had to act otherwise it could have caught the attention of the head USPS office in DC.
They knew, how can you not know that driving on sidewalk isn't o.k. 😳
The depths of human laziness never ceases to amaze me. Thank you for helping this man take on “the system”. :)
I agree. Its horribible
Good work to the news crew with a big thanks to this gentleman for getting Mr. John Q. and Mrs. Jane Q. Public some attention. Hopefully, other homeowners watching this will speak up as well if they have been wronged by the USPS.
I think we all feel those local USPS workers knew exactly what they were doing.
Two weeks later: "I haven't received a single piece of mail!"
Our mailboxes are next to the public sidewalk so our carrier walks down the sidewalk & delivers the mail without having to leave the sidewalk. They do this even in 115 degree temps. They will park their truck at each block, sort the mail for the entire block, walk to deliver the mail, return to the truck to take a break from the heat and drink water before going to the next block. They are not running a race, safety is the utmost importance. On those days when the heat and humidity are very high, they only need to pull up to the curb in front of the mail box, take 2 steps to deliver the mail and then get back into the truck. Those mail persons driving onto sidewalks are just PURE LAZY and should be fired for endangering the public and breaking all kinds of laws.
THANK YOU SO MUCH CHANNEL 7 IM SO GREATFUL FOR SARAH
Let us know if some of your mail mysteriously goes missing Good job, bud.
Why isn’t his mailbox next to the street where it belongs?
As stated in the video, had you watched it, you would've heard that this is a 'walking route', which is why the mailboxes were placed on the sidewalk, and not the street.
In the first news clip he moved the mailbox closer to the street and then they said it was a hazard for them to stop. So they didn’t deliver his mail they just passed by and went to the next house.
If it's an older neighborhood, it's grandfather in as a walking route.
Houses across the street, the mailboxes are at the front door. This street is walking/park& loop delivery.
Busy road, no street parking looks like
CRAZY! Thank you very much for the follow up
The “district retraining course” line is used often in many other areas. It’s a feel good line.
lol no doubt.... Also the post masters knew about his issue and just didn't care until it got news coverage...
Yeah, it probably amounts to an e-mail that was sent out along the lines of "Good news! We finally got the guy to move his mailbox."
This is a good example of the media doing good for the people and holding the government accountable for their actions. Good job!
Glad they finally took care of it.
I guess the lesson here is to request a meeting with the postmaster personally if you have any problems. And record it.
I had a mail carrier after I questioned him parking in a handicap parking space at a local pharmacy call me a B****, I took pictures of his truck and he said "Go Ahead they aren't going to do anything" and he was right they never did. Columbus, Ohio. Anna In Ohio
Know your rights
That mail carrier is wrong. Mailmen can park anywhere without getting a ticket but they cannot park or even temporarily load in a handicap parking stall. You can even get a police officer in trouble for doing that.
I said the first time, make it a walking route, and apparently it was to begin with.
Complaints to the post office rarely make it past the first two employees in the chain.
When I called the main USPS customer complaint line, she elevated the complaint twice, and still got nothing. At this point she advised contacting the mayor and the governor. Totally not kidding.
In my 36 year letter carrier career phone calls and face to face would be ignored.Filling out complaint forms would get, at least, to my supervisors who had to answer in writing what was done and how it was corrected. Postal supervisors/managers were rarely fired, in fact, the worse they treated the workers, the faster they were advanced. The carrier in this case should have refused to drive illegaly and if ordered to do so, request those orders in writing as well as filled out a safety violation form as well as reported it to his union representative, in order to protect him/herself .
I'm glad you're being heard
As a postal clerk, I worked alongside mail carriers for 35 years. And, believe me, many of them take complaints way too personally. Here's hoping his mail doesn't "somehow" disappear...
Postal workers taking things personally?
Is that what happens when someone "goes postal?"
We had a nightmare mail carrier our route is a walking route as well. We have 3 well behaved boxers. If they hear a sound on the porch they bark. Keep in mind though we know what time the mail runs and our front doors are always secured because we have young children. We had a stellar carrier prior to this. But this new one was a piece of work. She never even saw our dogs just heard them from two rooms away from the front door in the house. She refused to deliver and from then on would put our mail in a rubber band and throw it on our lawn or in our bushes like a news paper. Our backyard is also fenced there’s no possible way for our dogs to get out to the front yard without being leashed. Our mail would often be damaged or missing because it wasn’t put in the proper place. Finally after 2 years she was fired.
Boxers are crazy though let's be real.
Yay!! Thanks for giving him a voice!!
It would be nice if he'd express some gratitude to the reporter and the station for amplifying his voice.
The USPS would actually typically say his box is too far from the road, for the truck. Now I know why my walking carrier here in North Pontiac handed out slips to many of my neighbors stating their "mailbox needs attention", if any detail of their box wasn't up to the regulations. (Too far from road, or sidewalk, too low, too high, not secure enough on it's post/outside wall, flag is missing, or damaged, etc) There actually are detailed, and specific federal regulations, regarding many details of our mailboxes, and USPS can citation us, if we don't follow the regulations. Even though we have to supply our own boxes, they have to be set up according to the regulations, and be in good working order. Even if you had to buy your box, it's owned by the federal gov't once it begins receiving mail from the USPS.
His box was actually not within regulation, as far as it's placement on the road. You can clearly see that in the video. He should have been given a "Your Mailbox Needs Attention" slip, years ago, so he knew to move his box close enough to the road, so that the carrier could reach it from the vehicle, in every season. The carriers on that route, all neglected to ask him to correct the fault, with a hand filled detailed notice, with the issue(s) needing correction. The YMNA form carriers use (PS Form 4056), is simply a list of possible faults, and the carrier simply places an X next to any existing faults, and leaves it in your box. The real problem is that none of the carriers had taken their training seriously, or were untrained, to perform a self-inspection of any box not meeting regulations, and duly notify the postal customer of their existing fault(s).....Unless he received, and ignored any issued 4056 forms, leaving his fault unresolved, and this was the carriers spiteful response. The home owner is actually at fault for 1 regulation, which is #3 on the 4065 form he should have received, long ago. "Box must be located so carrier can serve it without leaving the vehicle".
I thought I heard them mention in the story that it was in fact a walking delivery route. If it was a walking route then just inside the house side of the sidewalk would be proper, a lot better to a carrier than the house front boxes in the community I live in I would bet.
If you watched the original story he moved the box closer to the street to keep them from driving on the sidewalk and then they stopped delivering his mail.
@@lgiotr7131 You can clearly see he did not move the box to the street, which was no doubt explained in a previous notice to all homes having a box not accessible from the carrier's vehicle, on the edge of the street. When a route changes from walking to vehicle carried, USPS notify postal customers with a notice of the change, and instruct the customer on the type of box, post, and placement needed, in order for the carriers to efficiently and safely deliver the mail, year-round, in all weather. The notices would list in great detail the requirements expected of customers, put in the simplest to understand terms, and if it's the hand-filled form, there is an additional comments section a postal carrier can add more details, and instructions for the customer.
@@dennismokry258 He would have been instructed to meet the new requirements to a vehicle route, in a notice.
Why is the mailbox on the sidewalk? As a former mail carrier l would have not been allowed to deliver to a box like that. The box should have been moved to the side of the road to comply with vehicle delivery requirements. There would have been no issues. I have to think there was more to the story...
My mailbox is on my house. House built in 1992 or maybe it was 91. Either way, it's still there. There are walking routes. Get out and walk. What's the difference between a walking route where you just walk down the sidewalk to deliver and one where you walk up to the house to deliver? Either way it's a walking route.
As was started in the video, this was supposed to have been a walking route. So where is the problem that it was at the sidewalk?
It’s smelling like someone got fired 😂
Newscaster: Looks like you did something about that!!! Now look at you.
Guy: Nah it was youuuuuu🥴
Probably not the person who was/is the real problem.
The USPS is so understaffed and overworked. 0% chance they got fired
I highly doubt that
@@Kojin-117 After working there 35 years (30 as a carrier and 5 as a clerk) I 100% agree.
There is something else to be said for the damage done… Those sidewalks are not designed to hold the weight of a vehicle let alone every single day six days a week for years.
Plus, the main water line (and possibly the gas line) often run under the sidewalk, so cars drives along a side walk (something not built for the weight of a car) has the potential of breaking the main water line.
@@maxsands3861 Water service lines are almost never more than 3 feet down at the meter. My meter and water line are less than 18" below the surface from the meter to the riser at my foundation. My gas line is also less than 24" down. My sewer lateral is about 3 feet down at the sidewalk.
As a usps rural carrier, we don’t have to get out to go to someone’s box and some people have a sidewalk in front of their box, that’s not our problem when it’s not a walking route. I already take 20k steps a day delivering packages to doors, I’m not turning a rural driving route into a walking route.
@@kellydunn7598I'm assuming you also have to a tight delivery schedule or atlest try to
@@maxsands3861no, the box is on the sidewalk, it’s 3 boxes and unless you’re stretch Armstrong, you have to drive up on the sidewalk. We are not allowed to leave mail outside of a box, but then we get people who complain we didn’t put the mail with their package on the porch. The town is in the process of making a 2 mile stretch of sidewalks and I don’t know what they plan to do with boxes. These houses aren’t close together like the ones in the video.
My wife and I had an issue with our post office at Holloman AFB 25 years ago. My mother in law sent a package to our son next day air for his birthday. It arrived next day which was Saturday at the post office. It wasn’t delivered to us though until Monday . My mother in law called to see if it was delivered. So on Monday my wife went down to the post office to what the deal was and asked for the money to be refunded since it wasn’t delivered as promised. The ass hole behind the counter told her that no money was being refunded and they don’t deliver on Saturday. She was pissed. She contacted the post master generals office to file a complaint. My wife ended up getting called back by the postmaster generals office to apologize and tell her the money is being refunded and to let her know that the problem employee was taken care of. The ass hole employee told the postmaster general that things are done differently at their location and they don’t deliver packages on Saturday. So he got fired for not doing his job.
So as soon as this guy got no satisfaction from the local office he should have went directly to the top. But I am glad that he finally got it resolved.
I don't believe your story because the person who gets the refund is the sender. So your MIL would have to have gotten the refund. Also, they aren't going to fire anyone over some he said she said deal. You have to steal or threaten violence to get fired. Or just not show up for work. But it's a long process. I worked as a mail carrier, window clerk for 35 years.
@@lisa9867 I never said that my wife was getting the refund did I? My mother in law would. Telling the postmaster general that he wasn’t going to do his job was what got him fired. Since you weren’t there I don’t care what you believe.
The mailbox was put in the wrong place. That was the problem
Thank you!
Exactly, the homeowner caused his own problem by putting the mailbox 📬 on the wrong side of the sidewalk.
The post office has to ok mailbox placement soooooo....
@@davewendt225 yea my point, a fuckin dumbass in charge of that department
@@davewendt225not where I am and probably not in 99% of other places.
I'm happy that this has been resolved. The reporter barely touched on the real reason, that is that it is a walking route. Probably the local postmaster's attempt to reduce hours and get more done for less money.
Thank DeJoy's top-down policies.
My friend has a similar issue a while back, it was solved via sharp metal objects in the grass. He cleaned it up with a yard magnet when he was "made aware" of the issue.
@@Exis247 That was my suggestion 😜
A lot of these postal employees think the world needs to bow down to them. A woman told me once that their mail carrier refused to deliver mail to the entire street's mailboxes because cars were parked in front of the boxes. What?!
I had the same happen to me. I found a note in my mailbox from my mail carrier telling me that since there was a car parked in front of my mailbox that he didn't have to deliver my mail. Heck, the car didn't even belong to me! I went to the postmaster and he took care of it.
Speaking of postmasters, when I lived in Maryland, I had another problem with my mail being misdelivered and went to the local PO to talk to the postmaster. The woman at the counter told me that the postmaster did not speak to the public. WHAT?!!!!!!
Thanks post office for your wonderful customer service!
OK Karen. They are not getting out of the truck to deliver to a mailbox that's blocked by a car or snow. It's ridiculous that you would expect that. I am sure they misdelivered your mail on purpose 😂
Yoo I just saw the first story
The easiest way to fix this problem is you hire a new mail carrier that has been properly trained.
Or have the mailbox on the side of the road and not behind the sidewalk like I’ve never seen before this video showed me people doing. Why? Makes zero sense. Is taking two extra steps to the side of the road to get to your mailbox too difficult? Every single mailbox in my entire city is on the side of the road so the delivery people don’t have to get out of their mail trucks in the middle of a rainstorm for absolutely no reason.
@@michaelsurratt1864 Traffic is moving there at 35 mph, it's one lane per direction. How many accidents are you trying to cause stopping every 50 feet to sort and deliver mail? They should dig up the sidewalks and push the 'side of the road' closer to the homes, then seize the property from the home owners to make new sidewalks, AND raise their taxes to cover it. Oh, it's detroit, hell just move in some drug dealers to get rid of nancies like this guy.
Dude didn’t want to walk, I’m sure they used to. Amazing how no one remembered that.
Homeowners put the mailbox on the wrong side of the sidewalk. THEIR FAULT. The mail box is to be AT THE CURB and 41" to 45" high.
I believe on a previous video they state that the PO told the homeowners to move their boxes back because it was such a busy road and a safety issue for the carrier/driver. That's why this BS. They knew about it all along.
It was originally a walking route. Meaning they were suppose to get out and walk around to all the mail boxes
Exactly. Totally the whiney homeowner’s fault.
His mailbox was in the wrong place, period. Federal regulations state how close to the road and the height it should be. They can refuse to deliver your mail if it’s not in compliance. It’s not a win win situation now.
Watch the first news story. That wasn’t it.
Also older houses are grandfathered in. My grandparents still get mail delivered to their door because they've lived in the same house since the 1960s. As soon as it changes ownership, the new owners have to install a mailbox by the street.
Thank you to local journalism
The spitefulness, the abrupt driving and the idiocy all point to an easily described driver.
I wouldn't have needed anybody's help if that was my lawn
Sure tough guy
Gee. A new planting with an 18 inch long section that was a foot deep in mud under the mulch?
And when they refused to deliver your mail then what? Lol
@@catwoman2596 that would not have happened either
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I'm glad everything had a good resolution. My wife is a mail carrier, and when I showed her the original video she was mad. She knew it should be a walking route and was surprised no one else in that post office could figure that out.