@@BossySwan At the same time if you are the incumbent you are the one being attacked by every parties. They can just ask any questions including the dumbest shit and yet you are obliged to reply back.
@@BossySwanYes, but that doesnt excuse the fact the opposition can pull the most rubbish tomfoolery of them all, or outright dodge your answers and indulge into some Chewbacca defense.
this sitting is an ouroboros 1. gov't motion to silence mp 2. ayes beats nos by margin 3. opposition requests division 4. special ruling caused by being on a friday constitutionally delays the division 5. gov't motion to silence mp
Jenkins never had control of the House, sadly. He regularly bumbled and fumbled his way through most points of order and, when it came to chaotic situations such as this one, he flailed miserably.
Why did the speaker keep choosing the government side even though the opposition was clearly louder? I am interested as a brit because here they’d call for a division straight away, although divisions can also be deferred here it is rare.
Because the Speaker typically calls for the side of the Government as they’d usually have the numbers to win a vote. The reason they were deferring divisions is that under the Standing Orders that were sit for Friday Sittings, divisions wouldn’t be held until the next sitting.
At the time, the liberals really didn't like the standing orders so... you got that shambles. The liberals did have a point for most of the interjections but I'm pretty certain the speaker did his jo pretty well.
The alp was trying to change it that all speaker votes where approved automatically for 4 days so the in power party could just not bother showing up. 100 years of history and it would of been the first time a speaker could name and approve things on his own right instead of what majority of mp present wanted. This would of highly weaken government mps and independents positions to cross the chamber. I'm actually surprise the speakers would be willing to be part of an assault on the very parliament they are elected to represent for party loyalty. In this case the liberals are correct.
I'm glad I came across this evidence of how sincerely self entitled the LNP were back in 2008 ignoring the speaker and treating woman like absolute shit.... hopefully our votes for Labor will not only address the crimes committed by the LNP in the last 10 years but also deal with the clawing back via a robo debt the billions in unpaid taxes from our extreme wealthiest.......
@@JCoates98 Its in the video my friend. Anyway 20 days later on the '12 MARCH 2008' new standing orders came into effect, removing this loophole which helped the then ALP government avoid parliament accountability. 133(a) was updated to 'On Mondays and Tuesdays, any division called for between the hours of 6.30 pm and 8 pm shall be deferred until 8 pm'. The above fix, which removed the 'loophole' has change slightly since to be in daytime hours. No government prior or since has made such a radical change to 133(a) like shown in this video to use it as a 'loophole' to delay votes for days (to Wednesday) so they can just not bother showing up on 'Mondays and Tuesdays' to avoid questions from the opposition.
Jenkins’ procedural interpretation is generally sound, although grey in places. However, his conduct is questionable and does little for the promotion of widened democratic participation.
The speaker is somewhat assumed to be biased, since they're still human - hence the ability to dissent from their rulings etc. The problem to me is how much money this is. It's a funny clip, but even just the 40mins times the members present would be a big dollar figure. What a waste.
Unlike in the UK, the speaker of the Australian House of Representatives is not required to cut all ties with their political party, and they remain an MP for that party, not an independent.
9 years of power for the lnp. Go look up what has and hasn't been accomplished in that time, be critical and unbiased and you'll change your tune. They're a joke, there's a reason why they only hold power in Tasmania right now, everywhere else is ALP.
There were times the Libs did it especially during the ABCC bill where they literally silenced everyone and rushed the bill through. So if your gonna say it’s typical of one side maybe also check at the last coalition government.
Were this the U.S., this Speaker would be pilloried for such an autocratic and arrogant display. Our Congress is a bit different; all debate happens in committee rather than in the whole and we don’t have questions time.
Id rather our government over your one anyday thanks, while your country is still recovering from the 08 gfc still after all this time, we did just fine 👍
Harry Jenkins Jr was one of the fairest speakers to take the chair but don't ever make him angry
He's just another socialist
I mean even when angry, he was doing exactly that. Being very fair.
He and more recently Tony smith demonstrated what a speaker should be.
30:09 you can see the current prime minster of Australia Anthony Albanese in 2008
He’s seated on the front bench from the beginning and moves to the executive chair once the shenanigans begin
Ya think?.
The LNP hate being in Opposition This video proves that
Wouldn’t you hate being in opposition? Can’t do anything lol
@@BossySwan At the same time if you are the incumbent you are the one being attacked by every parties. They can just ask any questions including the dumbest shit and yet you are obliged to reply back.
@@limpetarch98k that’s the responsibility of being in government and having scrutiny - warts and all
Labor is more responsible execpt for the member for Wakefield
@@BossySwanYes, but that doesnt excuse the fact the opposition can pull the most rubbish tomfoolery of them all, or outright dodge your answers and indulge into some Chewbacca defense.
This is the most hilarious thing I've watched in ages!!! great content m8!!!
Please upload more of the Rudd Gillard Rudd years question times these videos are great
I agree
I don't
great video!!
Abbott, Hockey, Pyne. Gosh that Opposition was the biggest pack of terriers Parliament has ever seen!
No there would have been some shite going on before parliament was taped.. such as when Gough was around. .
28:35 Deputy Speaker Anna Burke: The Member for North Sydney WILL RESUME HIS SEAT
Im confused and still embarrassed
Jesus I thought the House of Commons here in the UK could be nutty…it’s got nothing on this😮😂
Oh mate you must be confused, this is Australia's Clown College! 😂🤪
@@CocoEmmet61it’s more than a fucking clown college mate
but also see: shouting matches in malaysia's dewan rakyat
Carl, the House of Commons in UK is still nuttier than in Australia. They have 94A, the UK doesnt.
@@limpetarch98kWe do have it, it’s called SO 43 but is rarely ever used.
poor Harry Jenkins, he's put in that position by the stupid rules and he knows it.
Someone has to do the job nobody wants to do.
I feel bad for Harry Jenkins and Anna Burke. And what the opposition was doing in regards to the cardboard debacle was pretty disappointing.
The Aussie Parliament can always be relied upon to make Westminster seem sedate & well-behaved! 🤪🤣🤣
Australian Parliament Sitting
Just the chaos
38:33
yep, thats our parliament alright. XD I love our country, wouldn't have it any other way.
Harry Jenkins Jr was the speaker for the Times. He had the anger and loud voice.
This speaker seems to be in an endless loop.
this sitting is an ouroboros
1. gov't motion to silence mp
2. ayes beats nos by margin
3. opposition requests division
4. special ruling caused by being on a friday constitutionally delays the division
5. gov't motion to silence mp
What ever is going on here then the taxpayers need a refund! How childish are these people we are paying their wages!!!!
Anyone wanna send Speaker Bercow to Australia? They need him :D
He's retired so that's a redundant comment
Jenkins never had control of the House, sadly. He regularly bumbled and fumbled his way through most points of order and, when it came to chaotic situations such as this one, he flailed miserably.
Can you post more of the rudd gillard rudd years? Had some amazing sessions like this one!
Why did the speaker keep choosing the government side even though the opposition was clearly louder? I am interested as a brit because here they’d call for a division straight away, although divisions can also be deferred here it is rare.
Because the Speaker typically calls for the side of the Government as they’d usually have the numbers to win a vote. The reason they were deferring divisions is that under the Standing Orders that were sit for Friday Sittings, divisions wouldn’t be held until the next sitting.
Kindergarten storytime at its best
What a mess!!
What is happening?
At the time, the liberals really didn't like the standing orders so... you got that shambles. The liberals did have a point for most of the interjections but I'm pretty certain the speaker did his jo pretty well.
@@christopherhall619Of course by the time Bronnie Bishop stepped into the chair a couple years later they loved the standing orders
this is more circular than the brexit negotiations
if they were paid by the hour they could buy the philippines
What was the original question
I’d ignore that squawking banshee too.
Cardboard cutout 😂
I think our politicians should stop acting like children and take your jobs seriously.
Is this a kindergarten?
This was all caused by that awful little Rudd. Keep him in DC where he can’t trouble us.
Have a ounch up
What a complete waste of time and tax payers money. Typical Labor
I be ashamed to be Aussie in way these elected by us behave
The alp was trying to change it that all speaker votes where approved automatically for 4 days so the in power party could just not bother showing up. 100 years of history and it would of been the first time a speaker could name and approve things on his own right instead of what majority of mp present wanted. This would of highly weaken government mps and independents positions to cross the chamber. I'm actually surprise the speakers would be willing to be part of an assault on the very parliament they are elected to represent for party loyalty. In this case the liberals are correct.
I'm glad I came across this evidence of how sincerely self entitled the LNP were back in 2008 ignoring the speaker and treating woman like absolute shit.... hopefully our votes for Labor will not only address the crimes committed by the LNP in the last 10 years but also deal with the clawing back via a robo debt the billions in unpaid taxes from our extreme wealthiest.......
@@BUACA1 I think the socialist party is your party my friend.
Source?
@@JCoates98 Its in the video my friend. Anyway 20 days later on the '12 MARCH 2008' new standing orders came into effect, removing this loophole which helped the then ALP government avoid parliament accountability.
133(a) was updated to 'On Mondays and Tuesdays, any division called for between the hours of 6.30 pm and 8 pm shall be deferred until 8 pm'.
The above fix, which removed the 'loophole' has change slightly since to be in daytime hours. No government prior or since has made such a radical change to 133(a) like shown in this video to use it as a 'loophole' to delay votes for days (to Wednesday) so they can just not bother showing up on 'Mondays and Tuesdays' to avoid questions from the opposition.
@@Sopez1 Thanks mate, when are you uploading retard at party 2?
Honestly don’t know who’s side I’m on here 😂
Where was Tony Smith
this might happen again if there is a change of govt in a few months.
This all is jibberish. I thought i heard that there was more for voice for question time.
What a bunch of criminals
The liberals had a point in the first part of the video tbh
They did, I think the speaker ruled wrong (at the start), like no question time? Wtf?
We pay for these clowns.
How can you pay when this happened 16 years ago
🛂🌏☯️👤🌌
Absolutely disgusting. SHAME.
Poor speaker
Jenkins’ procedural interpretation is generally sound, although grey in places. However, his conduct is questionable and does little for the promotion of widened democratic participation.
What.
Sir Charles, the random commenter
What a load of crap
Steve Ciobo is a child
Wow. This seems to be a very biased speaker for the majority. What a disgraceful showing.
The speaker is somewhat assumed to be biased, since they're still human - hence the ability to dissent from their rulings etc.
The problem to me is how much money this is. It's a funny clip, but even just the 40mins times the members present would be a big dollar figure. What a waste.
Unlike in the UK, the speaker of the Australian House of Representatives is not required to cut all ties with their political party, and they remain an MP for that party, not an independent.
And bishop wasn't?
@@mr.sunnyg5510works similar to a rook but in straight lines
Very typical Labor, shutting down dissent and defeating any attempt of accountability. What's bad, is that they are still doing this 15 years later.
9 years of power for the lnp. Go look up what has and hasn't been accomplished in that time, be critical and unbiased and you'll change your tune. They're a joke, there's a reason why they only hold power in Tasmania right now, everywhere else is ALP.
There were times the Libs did it especially during the ABCC bill where they literally silenced everyone and rushed the bill through. So if your gonna say it’s typical of one side maybe also check at the last coalition government.
Albosleazy what a flog
Shit take. The dodgy ones are on the other side of the chamber if you hadn't noticed from this video.
Did u vote palmer m8?
American here, what does "flog" mean? Obviously, it's an insult, but what does it mean specifically? Thanks
Did you come up with that one by yourself? You plonker.
@@theonlyron derogatory term to describe a person Australian variation of 'wanker'.
Were this the U.S., this Speaker would be pilloried for such an autocratic and arrogant display. Our Congress is a bit different; all debate happens in committee rather than in the whole and we don’t have questions time.
Yeah and thats why you guys had a bankrupt criminal as a president for 4 years.
Id rather our government over your one anyday thanks, while your country is still recovering from the 08 gfc still after all this time, we did just fine 👍
@@mr.sunnyg5510funnily enough that was under the ALP government as well
@@KING7CANTONA big kev and wayno 🤙
One of the WORST EVER Speaker!!
A poor speaker of the house. Seems Labor sensitive.
I didn't like Joe waving his finger around...