i really like this one for the form factor and weight but i am worried about the heat anticipation. How does this perform in comparison to the normal dji unit?
In theory yes because it has the same power output levels. But I uses only one antenna so your rf coverage pattern could be less effective causing a precieved reduction. As with all things rf. Antenna placement is crucial.
Hi Tweet, Im thinking of making the jump to HD. Is it a pain to use to use your own radio instead of a Dji radio? Also do you think heat will be a problem when running @700mw in the middle of the summer ? By the way the radio grips I purchased on Etsy are fantastic , thx. Peace !
Running your own radio and RX isn't any different than normal. The DJI radio does make it SUPER easy to get going and all the functions on the goggle can be done via the DJI radio which i really like. Heat shouldn't be an issue as long as you are moving. There is a over heat protection to keep the chance of damaging anything down. But i have disabled that option just so the chances of the VTX shutting down during flight won't happen. I'm glad you like your grips. They are a labor of love for me. If you haven't see my how it's made video you should check it out. th-cam.com/video/SSOY2nMdVO0/w-d-xo.html
Would love your opinion on something, had a quad fall from the sky and hit the ground, vista unit no longer powers up. All wires are still connected well. Is there a specific component of the vista that might be Susceptible to failure upon impact? Would like to proceed with a repair before replacement.
Sorry I really don't know where to start with this one I have heard that if the camera module gets damaged the Vista won't power on so maybe try swapping in a new camera first
great vid tweet. I didn't see how you removed the camera cable. How do you remove the cable from the vista and the camera side, so I can replace with the og coxial air unit cable? Are there 2 tabs on each side like the og air unit to remove the cable? or? if you have a vid on it, would love to view it too!
Is digital UFL? That doesn't look like mmcx... Getting ready to order some antennas because I WAS able to buy a nubula pro kit .. will be my 1st digital quad
That's what I figured. Every vista iv bought since this one has had the same solder. It amazing that caddx is ops checking everyone before they head out.
I got the Vista in a Diatone 369 3inch quad. Using 650mah 4s its under 250 grams.. And the full size air unit in the Floss 3.0 using 30mm standoffs. Im waiting for the Vista to come back in stock so i can build a sub 250gram 5 inch build. I like to see you put the Vista in the Floss 3.0. I thought about doing it. But i went with a 3 inch to keep weight down
I didn't weigh it without the heat sinks. This little guy runs REALLY hot with the heat sinks and i think it would overheat without them but the only way to know is to give it a try.
@@TweetFPV I'm tempted to get one to try. Another user here on TH-cam decased the original Air unit and it worked fine at 25mW and higher depending on ambient temperature.
Fantastic review! Given what's on the horizon with the FAA, the smaller the better. I vote for the gecko. The technology advancements in the hobby are very quick and comprable to what we see in the cell phone industry. Digital is here to stay. I hope we see more of the sub 250 gram quads with digital. Love the channel. Happy flying!
Just found your channel; fantastic tear down and review man! I just replaced my air unit with the vista in my 2" cinewhoop and dropped the weight from 144g to 119g. ^_^ I've drank the dji koolaid and am slowly retrofitting my quad fleet. I'm conflicted on DJI entering the fpv sector since I'm pretty sure they're just going to dominate just like they did in aerial drone photography and push out the little guys. But, I also can't argue that they don't do what they do very very well. When I flew the dji fpv system, my brain melted. :-) I have the same issue when trying to recommend any other system other than DJI. :-/ Back to your tear down, that seems like an awful lot of thermal paste! I was always under the assumption that you need just a thin contact otherwise it starts to do the opposite of what it needs to do. I'm curious on if one were to clean it off with some isopropyl and re-apply with a CPU-like application and some quality stuff, would the temps be affected beneficially? Just a wondering. Lastly, I think DJI goggles are made for us Asians with our flat faces :-D Hahaha, brick wall... ^_^ Great job man! Subbed!
So nice to hear you talking. Everytime i have to think about the wing glue video :D Just knew this videosnipped before :DNice teardown btw. Keep it > on Subbed
I've had two vistas burn out on 6s I'm sure due to power spikes The last one was it own iFlight 5-36V 3A LC Filter Module and it popped to -gurr My others on 10v or 8v are fine My advice to all is don't use 6s 100+c racing batteries -prolly only use 4s to be save or use a different power source intended for the air unit. Thanks for the video! I was trying to see if there is a fuse in the vista unit -no luck hehe
Great review. Especially the perspective at the end. It would be great if the dji goggles fit better. It sounds like image quality is enough of a change that people would tolerate the bad fit and light leakage.
@@TweetFPV With the weight of the Vista - what do you think a 3" build would look like or even a smaller 2.5" build? It would be great to put that on a smaller quad, but I'm wondering what kind of motors and props you would need to still get good performance.
i rather have the air for recording clean , rather not use gopro-$$$ extra money that will break if you crash.lighter weight also. my opinion only. vista i can use for smaller 3 - 4 inch quads. if you can do the gecko i have 2, 1 need replace crack frame , i wil go that route. thanks for your video info!
Very great video! Thanks I'm just getting into dji my first build is vista and gecko. I have a Beatle mini that is an excellent park tree cruiser. Like the vista in that real happy. DVR on air unit I've had 2 bad ones.. one didn't work at all? Other one worked when it wanted. Lol love the whole dji HD while flying..hard to fly analog now..if I ever do again. Thanks again for vidoe! 💪💪👊👊
DJI was first to market but don't think for a second other chinese companies won't reverse engineer the tech and start selling alternatives at lower prices. That's what they do.
I can't wait to see all the 2.5 and 3 inch bind n flies that will have the Vista equipped that are sure to come out soon. Im upgrading to dji goggles soon to fly my analog micros with 😀 I vote gecko
I made the mistake of buying the dji set up first and then decided to try the analog deal and the dji must have ruined me because i just couldnt see why anyone would ever spend money on analog at this point! Also im really curious if fatshark and all the other analog company's can even stay in business unless they create something just as good or better than dji. The fatsharks digital system in my opinion is still not user friendly and kind of a joke in my opinion...Anyways great video !!
You sound stoked about HD and the Vista but still slightly tormented by liking The Omnipotent Dji gear! I am just getting into fpv now and it's been pretty funny watching everyone slowly and loudly not being able to resist much longer. I have only used Dji except a very short and out of control flail around a park but that's it. I never wore any Fatsharks, they must be like wearing your favorite slippers or more luxurious . Dji goggles are not so comfy I agree but I am sure there will be good ones soon. Giving the Big Dji alot of money!! I heard someone say gotta boycott Dji because they are in China and are spying on us through the gear. Not sure about that but I have learned that lots of all the stuff is coming from China right,?He must not have noticed the months passing for boxes from China to get there. I have had a few camera drones from Dji in the last few years and never got the sinister vibe but I'm new to FpV . The customer service was none at all back then too but I hear that has changed. I love being able to see and I am not upset I came in at the end of analog. I have been in the early years of a few other things and FPV I am happy about coming in late a bit. The other huge reason I like Dji is I can almost put stuff together and fix etc. The other stuff is almost to challenging for my brain. Zero computer experience either. Makes building and maintenance a full time frustrating ordeal with SOS emails going out to JB and others. Ok done with the newb rant.
Not tormented. Just wish there was other options because I really don't care for the goggles much. But with that said the dji goggles are my top recommdation to anyone getting into the hobby that isn't primarily forced on racing. Oh and yes everything comes from China except for the orqa goggles.
MC's Creations it is the the price of fatsharks goggle and it has no receiver sold with!... the dji has digital receiver.... And you can alway add an analog receiver for less than 50$... the inverse is not possible :)
Not a true tear down; just a look see inside. Doesn't determine components. If you are not an electronics engineer, what do you expect to learn besides how "neat" it is? Waste of product. The ring of goo is heat transfer compound. Only thing you learned is that it is not hollow! Better to get the DJI unit; better heat dissipation...ha! The use of that blue heat transfer goo might explain why it gets excessively hot. You WILL need to add a bigger heat sink.
Can you display on hdmi port at base station
Based on your disassembly would you consider using a 3mm tap on the mounting holes to mount the unit?
Great video! I’m considering putting a a naked one of these on a Roma or LR4
That's why I'm wondering custom lighter heat sink.. so I can still use 1watt
I think the gasket is really thermal silicone transfer to the outside case
i really like this one for the form factor and weight but i am worried about the heat anticipation. How does this perform in comparison to the normal dji unit?
Can the vista go as far as the air unit
In theory yes because it has the same power output levels. But I uses only one antenna so your rf coverage pattern could be less effective causing a precieved reduction. As with all things rf. Antenna placement is crucial.
Its so well built its almost like dji made it and the only thing caddx about it is the name......
🤔
Dji did make it. If you read the instructions, it says made by DJI for Caddx
@@malibusteve70 I think he was being sarcastic.
Thanks for the information!!!! Are the holes to mount the vista M2 or M3 wholes
M2
Hi Tweet, Im thinking of making the jump to HD. Is it a pain to use to use your own radio instead of a Dji radio? Also do you think heat will be a problem when running @700mw in the middle of the summer ? By the way the radio grips I purchased on Etsy are fantastic , thx. Peace !
Running your own radio and RX isn't any different than normal. The DJI radio does make it SUPER easy to get going and all the functions on the goggle can be done via the DJI radio which i really like. Heat shouldn't be an issue as long as you are moving. There is a over heat protection to keep the chance of damaging anything down. But i have disabled that option just so the chances of the VTX shutting down during flight won't happen.
I'm glad you like your grips. They are a labor of love for me. If you haven't see my how it's made video you should check it out. th-cam.com/video/SSOY2nMdVO0/w-d-xo.html
Great break down!! Loved seeing the inside components. Can't wait to see what you do with it.
Damn that was adventurous. Great work 👍
I like to see how things go together. Thanks for watching!
I have to swap a cable on mine for a longer one. Think I could pull off just the bottom section to change the cable?
yes
Would love your opinion on something, had a quad fall from the sky and hit the ground, vista unit no longer powers up.
All wires are still connected well.
Is there a specific component of the vista that might be Susceptible to failure upon impact?
Would like to proceed with a repair before replacement.
Sorry I really don't know where to start with this one I have heard that if the camera module gets damaged the Vista won't power on so maybe try swapping in a new camera first
I’ll give it a shot, thank for your input! Your videos have been quite helpful!
can you change the camera connector ribbon cable ?
Yes you can
Does the Vista have a mic inside? It would be great if they added audio.
No audio. :(
any clue on how to dismount the lens? broke mine and doesn't seem it will unscrew...
You should just need to unscrew it but if you hit it hard enough the threads might have slipped and cross threaded.
great vid tweet. I didn't see how you removed the camera cable. How do you remove the cable from the vista and the camera side, so I can replace with the og coxial air unit cable? Are there 2 tabs on each side like the og air unit to remove the cable? or? if you have a vid on it, would love to view it too!
Is digital UFL? That doesn't look like mmcx... Getting ready to order some antennas because I WAS able to buy a nubula pro kit .. will be my 1st digital quad
They are u.fl
@@TweetFPV got it .... Thought I heard mmcx in the video . . Thx for clarifying that
how can i flught with 250 or 700mw?
The solder is on those two pads because they need to power on the unit for testing/etc before it leaves the factory.
That's what I figured. Every vista iv bought since this one has had the same solder. It amazing that caddx is ops checking everyone before they head out.
They test every Vista before leaving the factory, that's why the V and G pads have just a tiny bit of solder
instead of using a traditional metal can for EMC/EMI, they use that aluminium part for shielding AND heat dissipation.
Awesome good to know. This thing needs a lof of it for heat dissapation
Hello thanks for share 👌Can I add conformal coat ?
I don't see why not.
@@TweetFPV I'm afraid it will melt from the heat but I will try
Let me know it works out.
I got the Vista in a Diatone 369 3inch quad. Using 650mah 4s its under 250 grams.. And the full size air unit in the Floss 3.0 using 30mm standoffs. Im waiting for the Vista to come back in stock so i can build a sub 250gram 5 inch build. I like to see you put the Vista in the Floss 3.0. I thought about doing it. But i went with a 3 inch to keep weight down
I want to put a vista in the 369 frame does it fit ? Can I run6s directly from the batt to the vista
You can run a Vista direct from 6s.
How long is the camera cable?
80mm
How much does it weigh when you remove the heatsinks? Also once heatsinks are removed can it be run reliably at 25mW?
I didn't weigh it without the heat sinks. This little guy runs REALLY hot with the heat sinks and i think it would overheat without them but the only way to know is to give it a try.
@@TweetFPV I'm tempted to get one to try. Another user here on TH-cam decased the original Air unit and it worked fine at 25mW and higher depending on ambient temperature.
Cheers, man. Thanks! You do a good job.
Much appreciated!
Fantastic review! Given what's on the horizon with the FAA, the smaller the better. I vote for the gecko. The technology advancements in the hobby are very quick and comprable to what we see in the cell phone industry. Digital is here to stay. I hope we see more of the sub 250 gram quads with digital. Love the channel. Happy flying!
Just found your channel; fantastic tear down and review man! I just replaced my air unit with the vista in my 2" cinewhoop and dropped the weight from 144g to 119g. ^_^ I've drank the dji koolaid and am slowly retrofitting my quad fleet. I'm conflicted on DJI entering the fpv sector since I'm pretty sure they're just going to dominate just like they did in aerial drone photography and push out the little guys. But, I also can't argue that they don't do what they do very very well. When I flew the dji fpv system, my brain melted. :-) I have the same issue when trying to recommend any other system other than DJI. :-/
Back to your tear down, that seems like an awful lot of thermal paste! I was always under the assumption that you need just a thin contact otherwise it starts to do the opposite of what it needs to do. I'm curious on if one were to clean it off with some isopropyl and re-apply with a CPU-like application and some quality stuff, would the temps be affected beneficially? Just a wondering.
Lastly, I think DJI goggles are made for us Asians with our flat faces :-D Hahaha, brick wall... ^_^ Great job man! Subbed!
That's an EMC/EMI gasket for sure
Doesn't even turn it on to see if it works. Proceeds to take it apart... :D
Yep that's how I roll
I vote gecko. Just bought the frame and am going with the vista, but not sure what combination of motors, stack, and props to get. Motor LED’s too 😎
So nice to hear you talking. Everytime i have to think about the wing glue video :D Just knew this videosnipped before :DNice teardown btw. Keep it > on Subbed
Great vid mate.
Thanks
I've had two vistas burn out on 6s I'm sure due to power spikes The last one was it own iFlight 5-36V 3A LC Filter Module and it popped to -gurr My others on 10v or 8v are fine My advice to all is don't use 6s 100+c racing batteries -prolly only use 4s to be save or use a different power source intended for the air unit. Thanks for the video! I was trying to see if there is a fuse in the vista unit -no luck hehe
Do the gecko , I have a couple and want to see it done before I do it to mine
Your a brave man!
Brave, dumb. It's a fine line.
@@TweetFPV haha well you didn't delete the video so I assume it worked haha
@@TweetFPV PS that seal is likely just to minimise dust and dirt I imagine.
Great review. Especially the perspective at the end. It would be great if the dji goggles fit better. It sounds like image quality is enough of a change that people would tolerate the bad fit and light leakage.
That's about where I'm at with the system. But dji does have a new foam out that claims to fix the fit issues. I have some ordered. Fingers crossed.
@@TweetFPV With the weight of the Vista - what do you think a 3" build would look like or even a smaller 2.5" build? It would be great to put that on a smaller quad, but I'm wondering what kind of motors and props you would need to still get good performance.
I would say at 140x motor would be ideal.
Hi, nice Video :)
Fits the air unit cable in the Vista????
I'm sorry I don't understand your question
@@TweetFPV
Can i take the dji 100mm cable from the unit to the cam and put it in the Vista, because the caddx cable is only 80mm long?
Yes you can use the other cable
With a 2in strap and the shim mod mine feel great🤷♂️
i rather have the air for recording clean , rather not use gopro-$$$ extra money that will break if you crash.lighter weight also. my opinion only. vista i can use for smaller 3 - 4 inch quads. if you can do the gecko i have 2, 1 need replace crack frame , i wil go that route. thanks for your video info!
vista for your racing quad
Done and done! It turned out great.
Camera cable is from The DJI MAVIC PRO CAMERA
thanks for the info!
Great video, would like to see it installed in the Gecko frame together with the fc you showed.
Very great video! Thanks I'm just getting into dji my first build is vista and gecko. I have a Beatle mini that is an excellent park tree cruiser. Like the vista in that real happy. DVR on air unit I've had 2 bad ones.. one didn't work at all? Other one worked when it wanted. Lol love the whole dji HD while flying..hard to fly analog now..if I ever do again. Thanks again for vidoe! 💪💪👊👊
Glad it was helpful!
@@TweetFPV big time sir.. thanks
I wish I could find a original DJI camera!
DJI was first to market but don't think for a second other chinese companies won't reverse engineer the tech and start selling alternatives at lower prices. That's what they do.
I'm sure they will try but just like cloned dji drones they really kinda suck.
I can't wait to see all the 2.5 and 3 inch bind n flies that will have the Vista equipped that are sure to come out soon. Im upgrading to dji goggles soon to fly my analog micros with 😀 I vote gecko
great teardown, eventually I'm sure they'll come out with a receiver for your normal goggles, definitely gekko 👍
Your voice sounds like Jeff Goldblum. Can you say "Must go faster. MUST GO FASTER" whenever you fly a gap?
Haha your not the first person that has said I sound like him. I'll try and remember to drop that line.
I made the mistake of buying the dji set up first and then decided to try the analog deal and the dji must have ruined me because i just couldnt see why anyone would ever spend money on analog at this point! Also im really curious if fatshark and all the other analog company's can even stay in business unless they create something just as good or better than dji. The fatsharks digital system in my opinion is still not user friendly and kind of a joke in my opinion...Anyways great video !!
When I get the money, I'm looking at the Gecko. So I vote for the Gecko.
You sound stoked about HD and the Vista but still slightly tormented by liking The Omnipotent Dji gear! I am just getting into fpv now and it's been pretty funny watching everyone slowly and loudly not being able to resist much longer. I have only used Dji except a very short and out of control flail around a park but that's it. I never wore any Fatsharks, they must be like wearing your favorite slippers or more luxurious . Dji goggles are not so comfy I agree but I am sure there will be good ones soon. Giving the Big Dji alot of money!! I heard someone say gotta boycott Dji because they are in China and are spying on us through the gear. Not sure about that but I have learned that lots of all the stuff is coming from China right,?He must not have noticed the months passing for boxes from China to get there. I have had a few camera drones from Dji in the last few years and never got the sinister vibe but I'm new to FpV . The customer service was none at all back then too but I hear that has changed. I love being able to see and I am not upset I came in at the end of analog. I have been in the early years of a few other things and FPV I am happy about coming in late a bit. The other huge reason I like Dji is I can almost put stuff together and fix etc. The other stuff is almost to challenging for my brain. Zero computer experience either. Makes building and maintenance a full time frustrating ordeal with SOS emails going out to JB and others. Ok done with the newb rant.
Not tormented. Just wish there was other options because I really don't care for the goggles much. But with that said the dji goggles are my top recommdation to anyone getting into the hobby that isn't primarily forced on racing. Oh and yes everything comes from China except for the orqa goggles.
Sloddah... say it right Frenchie, sloddah!
Put it in the Floss and try to race with it!
Gekko will be more challenging so go for it :)
Honestly the Floss will be more difficult. The gecko is designed around a dual 20x20 layout.
Whatever is the most challenging will be better entertainment for the channel. Think I just want to see it in the Geko hahaha
Suppose no one has ever put a custom heat sink that is lighter and probably works better
Awesome review, dude! 😃
The goggles are still too much expensive for me, but I would love to use it! 😃
Anyway, anyone of the 2 is going to be great. 😊
MC's Creations it is the the price of fatsharks goggle and it has no receiver sold with!... the dji has digital receiver.... And you can alway add an analog receiver for less than 50$... the inverse is not possible :)
@@gigazman That's true, but I don't even have a FatShark. Only Eachine's box goggles. 😕
Want to sell the top part? 😁
😂 You break one?
@@TweetFPV mine came DOA didn't even get to use it 😔😔
Go with Floss 3. Full send power with DJI!!! haha
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gecko
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Not a true tear down; just a look see inside. Doesn't determine components. If you are not an electronics engineer, what do you expect to learn besides how "neat" it is? Waste of product. The ring of goo is heat transfer compound. Only thing you learned is that it is not hollow! Better to get the DJI unit; better heat dissipation...ha! The use of that blue heat transfer goo might explain why it gets excessively hot. You WILL need to add a bigger heat sink.
Thanks for your input.