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This video compares the Honda XL750 Transalp with the KTM 790 ADVENTURE. They are both mid-size Adventure motorcycles with a lot of fans already. Get to know all differences between these adventure motorcycles.
Which one would you prefer?
Prices have been announced:
- Honda XL750 Transalp: €10.500 (Spain, Europe)
- KTM 790 ADVENTURE: €11.323 (Spain, Europe)
00:14 - Technical details compared
01:16 - Features compared
01:50 - Honda XL750 Transalp in detail
05:34 - Honda XL750 Transalp accessories
06:22 - KTM 790 ADVENTURE in detail
09:50 - KTM PowerWear to match your motorcycle
10:07 - Summary comparison
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New Transalp is a great disappointment , Yamaha T7 is much better , and new 790 KTM is much much better 🤩
Thanks for your comment @Bruni BB33! 👍
Honda is well known now for not taking chances, unless is the CBR 1000rr-r-r-r-r-r-r and that could be a big bonus ot a big draw back for many riders. As a yamaha mechanic I preffer the Transalp over the Tenere for the riding modes adjustability, for the reason that I have a wife and the 20 extra hp relative to the Tenere are welcomed and I am not that experienced off road rider so I'll be doing more of road trips. Now if you are off road rider and solo riding the only advantage the Tenere has is ground clearence and looks.
The Honda mechanic is very reliable and the additional 20 CV compared to the yamaha t7 are an advantage but Originally the motorcycle trail were made to make the road and paths, many bikers only ride on the road with their trail for comfort . Personally I drive on road and off road, hence for me the advantage of the yamaha t7 and even more the KTM 790 and 890 Adventure or adventure R
2023, a lot of dynamic in the market...so, when was last time one of you kept a bike for 10years, taking care afterwards that new owners enjoy it for the following 20? :) we're not in the mid '00 anymore when 1200gs adv was the lonely player you wanted to hold forever... Elderly people say life is soo short...would rather get some fun out of a bike that is "half so reliable", still able to get me wherever I want with that race engineered approach (and lc8 has some proven reliability background, let's face it)...this makes them so different to their competitors. I love the asian manufacturers, don't get me wrong (owned couple of their good adv. bikes like transalp700, xtz1200superten etc) but once you step on the ktm, you get a completely new perspective of fun, adrenaline... you start to get their mindset. In my opinion, the only one comparing to the 790 adv R (speaking here about the initial '20 MY I had experience with, which actually links directly to this topic) was the crf1100 which, in addition to the exceptional behavior on dirt and road, gave a similar feeling / emotion of over-sized, powerful, tough designed, strong and "beasty" bike (the handlebar, the engine sound, the riding position, the dynamic, the brakes, the shift, the power, the torque)... it's not fair to bring the africa in this discussion, I know, even the price is another segment but it was the only one asian giving me that "beast" feeling very similar to the ktm adventure bikes. A bike makes sense to me when it's able to offer that emotion "of owning you" since the moment you open the garage door where it lies silent and peacefully and you have the eye contact, the first cold start in the chilly morning with lot of bass in the exhaust making the garage panels vibrate up to the moments of ride to the peaks of your trail when it's full of dirt and then brings you tired to a shelter late in the night after a beautiful and exhausting day. But that's my view :)
Later edit: switching back from emotions to facts - you all noticed where ktm's tank is placed right? So, when playing with numbers like one is 10kg or whatever heavier than the other, why don't we take all background in discussion? The center of gravity being so low it becomes a master advantage in handling, stability etc. And that's another european way of thinking when producing a performant bike...
30years ago and more, when fuel was mainly gravitationally supplied to the carbs...such design was the only applicable, but nowadays, with lot of powerful fuel pumps serving the fuel at right pressure to the injectors,why not rethinking the design in the full advantage of the ride? How many years from now japanese industry will need to reach the conclusion that slight extra weight could even work as an advantage... again, thumbs up for engineers making their sallaries worth :)
@Mihail Constantin , thanks for sharing your knowledge and opinion! This will help others to place the specs and characteristics in perspective. 👍
The KTM looks better in everyway except one crucial aspect, reliability. For that reason I would never buy one.
@Parf, thanks for your comment! 👍
Parf , i have KTM 890 Adventure and 33 000km , zero problem ! 🙂👍✌
Well, I think that is an outdated mith. My last two KTMs (450 EXC and 890 Adv) have done a very nice job with no issues. Honda did a good job in the past, but their new products are one o two steps down... and realiability is not bad at all in other brands, and it is not what used to be in Honda. I will not buy a motorbike with no feelings.
A well put together video. Sometimes others are lacking the details you provided. Thank you, just subscribed to your channel. 👍😎🇦🇺
@Marcus George, thanks for the nice words! Much appreciated since we aim for providing an informative video with correct information in combination with nice shots of the motorcycles. Great you like it!👍😎
KTM 790 ADVENTURE is better in specs but you will visit service all the time.
@N Evangelos, thanks for your reaction.
I have KTM 890 ADV 2021 , 30 000km and zero problem ! 🙂👍
Why ?
True! KTM kept my bike eight months in their shop while garanted because motor don't start, plus many others problem After that (parts missing for exemple when I get it back). Now I just wait one year to have a rear wheel to be replaced on my bike ...no service, no parts, not a word of excuse....no customers service.I would definitely chose Honda for fiability, customers services and spare part disponibility etc....but my choice is T7...Japan brand anyway...
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Excelente vídeo gostei da tua edição e de seu trabalho parabéns.
Só uma correção roda traseira da Transalp é 18" no vídeo está como 13".
@Cristianosapelini6202 thanks for your reaction, glad you liked the video!😀 I do not understand your comment regarding the tire size since at 00:39 and at 04:04 the size of the Transalpine rear wheel is mentioned as 18" and not 13"? Or do you mean it just looks smaller?
Ktm in più della Transalp ha un comodo pomello per la regolazione del precarico, sospensioni posteriore regolabile anche nel ritorno, cerchi per pneumatici tubeless, pinze freno ad attacco radiale, abs cornering, disponibile come optional cruise control e TMPS, vince la ktm di molto
Thanks for sharing @Frederico Nucari!
Transalp in piu ha il fatto di non essere costruita in China, bensi in Giappone...E non è un "in piu'" da poco...😂
Nice informative comparison.. But totally different demographic. IMO
Thanks for your support @Graham Vfr! 🙏
Yeah a demographic that watches too many KTM promo videos. They are not that different on paper. Once the KTM hits wet weight (208kgs xl750 wet VS KTM 199kgs dry with out oil or 20l of fuel), it will be 10kgs heavier than the transalp. And the price difference will allow better suspension and a proper skid plate for the xl750.
Once that is in place and bikes are on par at an even price, the XL seems a better bike. 790 is a sleeved 890. Its holding 890 weight without the extra power.
The KTM premium price optional electronic package is better then XL electronics but there more money to throw at the KTM.
Then theres the topic of a Japanese build VS a Chinese build.
@tle1977a, thanks for reaction and explanation regarding the 2 motorcycles. 👍
Where can you buy a 2023 790?
@Chapman Inc., at a KTM dealer in your neighborhood so you are sure you enjoy full warranty. Check out which KTM dealer is situated near you on www.ktm.com/en-gb/find-a-dealer.html 😊👍
Any bets on what decade it will be when Transalp's actually show up in USA showrooms?
@Squatcho, we cannot find any information regarding a date....maybe someone from the USA can comment here as soon as they spot them in the showroom?
I have seen 2 of them in EU so far...
@@ilyassakhanov6438 Both being driven by Honda engineers
@@triprack Idk, seems unlikely that honda engineer would have parked it in a dark corner xD. I could get one too in 14 days
The amount of times most of these comment people ride their bikes ,makes the ktm the best choice by far ,they have never ridden a ktm but because of their you tube reading they condemn a ktm ,really now
@Clifford Zehmke, thanks for your comment! 👍
So you can buy cfmoto 800 with almost 10.000euros with all extras instead ktm790. As for honda you have to pay another 3000-4000 euros for adventure extras.
@nikos nousis, thanks for sharing. The prices will indeed differ quite a bit between the brands and CF Moto will offer value for money.
Cf moto ibex 800 uses items 790 ktm engine and alot of ktm parts..not the frame however ..
I wanna arrive at my destination so I will take the Transalp thanks 👍
Thanks for your reaction @daveo226! 😎
@0:22 Honda Wet weight vs KTM Dry weight....Good start...🤔
@rayshobbyfarm.1019 thanks for your comment.
The reason we compared these different statistics is that both manufacturers choose to report either the "wet" or the "dry" weight.
We understand that they are slightly different but prefer not to "estimate" the extra weight in order to match them (by adding for example 10 kg to the dry weight).
Therefore me mention only the real numbers which are correct and the viewer can interpret that the dry weight need some extra kg for the necessary oil and fuel.
Hope this explains our reasoning a bit and the rest of the comparisons were useful to you and others. 😊👍
The torque written in this way has no meaning.
It must be related to the number of engine revolutions , Rpm
Transalp: 7,65 Nm /7.250 rpm
KTM: 88 Nm/ 6,600 rpm
@Ralph Oleni, thanks for your additional information! 👍
And at the same rpms where you usually are
Are KTM wheels tubeless ?
We could not find this specific information on their website. 😅
Yeah they are tubeless with a tire pressure monitor
Thanks for the information. 👍
What about price?
At the moment the price is not officially released of the Honda XL750 Transalp which is the reason there is no comparison of the price included. The Honda is rumored to get a price of £9.499 (GBP) but we are not sure yet. The KTM costs £9.999 (GBP), a bit more as the Honda.
The Transalp will still be running 20 years after you sell it after riding it for 10 years. In my opinion, the extra kilos = reliability and durability. Everyone forgets, KTM Ready to Race. That doesn't equate to reliability or durability. It's not in their mindset. Don't hate 'em for it, just don't complain about it.
@A Fifth of Smiths, thanks for sharing!
Transalps will be around 20 years from now because they won't hit US dealers for 15
Honda is lighter
KTM 790 199 kg dry
honda transalp 208 kg wet
(with such a dynamic market and so many up-dates) When was your last time you kept a bike for 10years, taking care afterwards that new owners enjoy it for the following 20? :) we're not in the mid '00 anymore when 1200gs adv was the lonely player you wanted to hold forever... Elderly people say life is soo short...would rather get some fun out of a bike that is "half so reliable", still able to get me wherever I want with that race engineered approach (and lc8 has some proven reliability background, let's face it)...this makes them so different to their competitors. I love the asian manufacturers, don't get me wrong (owned couple of their good adv. bikes like transalp700, xtz1200superten etc) but once you step on the ktm, you get a completely new perspective of fun, adrenaline... you start to get their mindset. In my opinion, the only one comparing to the 790 adv R (speaking here about the initial '20 MY I had experience with, which actually links directly to this topic) was the crf1100 which, in addition to the exceptional behavior on dirt and road, gave a similar feeling / emotion of over-sized, powerful, tough designed, strong and "beasty" bike (the handlebar, the engine sound, the riding position, the dynamic, the brakes, the shift, the power, the torque)... it's not fair to bring the africa in this discussion, I know, even the price is another segment but it was the only one asian giving me that "beast" feeling very similar to the ktm adventure bikes. A bike makes sense to me when it's able to offer that emotion "of owning you" since the moment you open the garage door where it lies silent and peacefully and you have the eye contact, the first cold start in the chilly morning with lot of bass in the exhaust making the garage panels vibrate up to the moments of ride to the peaks of your trail when it's full of dirt and then brings you tired to a shelter late in the night after a beautiful and exhausting day. But that's my view :)
Later edit: switching back from emotions to facts - you all noticed where ktm's tank is placed right? So, when playing with numbers like one is 10kg or whatever heavier than the other, why don't we take all background in discussion? The center of gravity being so low it becomes a master advantage in handling, stability etc. And that's another european way of thinking when producing a performant bike...
30years ago and more, when fuel was mainly gravitationally supplied to the carbs...such design was the only applicable, but nowadays, with lot of powerful fuel pumps serving the fuel at right pressure to the injectors,why not rethinking the design in the full advantage of the ride? How many years from now japanese industry will need to reach the conclusion that slight extra weight could even work as an advantage... again, thumbs up for engineers making their sallaries worth :)
😭😭 porquê não colocaram o escapamento no alto com o descanso de pé da garupa mais embaixo, melhor conforto e farol redondo em led 😭😭
@Moto Casal Transalp, thanks for your comment! 👍 Maybe a Honda employee sees your comment and will implement it on the future models. 😉
They forgot to say that on the Honda you will undoubtedly fall asleep from boredom riding it. 🍊🍊🍊🍊🍊🍊
Thanks for your comment 👍
Not with this new engine.
I have already test ride both, the 790 looked far superior that the transalp in every way, comfort, power, wind protection, highway, curves... I can't say about off-road i couldn't test any of them off road, test rides were restricted to asphalt
@Sr.D thanks for sharing your experiences with all the viewers! This will help others to make a choice between these bikes. 😊👍
ktm for sure
@Yuan Liu, thanks for sharing!👍
Not a fan of ether, but Transalp built in Japan. KTM built in China...
@Spencer Vidal, thanks for your reaction!👍
and 890 Build in Austria 🙂
@@brunobb3356 Understood, the 790,,, assembled in China
Honda wet v. KTM dry weight?
So the KTM is about 23 kg heavier.
What about price and service intervals?
KTM stunt rider rides like he never paid for his bike but owns his own emergency hospital.
Hello @Bee Cee, we showed indeed the wet vs dry weights because these were the only weights mentioned by the manufacturers and want to make sure we display correct data. You are right that the KTM will be heavier when ready to ride, read also the other comments about the weight in the comments under this video.
When we published this video the price of the Honda was not yet published. Meanwhile the Honda is announced to be €10.500 (Spain, Europe) whereas the KTM is €11.323.
😆 He sure does know how to ride!
No, KTM realy is max 5 KG more ... read other Test. But the Weight of the Fueltank KTM is much nearer at the Ground .. i have driven all of them...without the New Honda and Suzuki 800 ... but the Tenere or Aprilia feels heaver than the Kati...
Due moto completamente diverse. Non si possono fare paragoni. La ktm adatta per il fuori strada con Tenerè e Pegaso mentre la Transalp come la Trimph 850 sport o Yamaha Tracer piu adatta al turismo
Alakası yok,tracer ile transalp’in
@Emanuele Lardelli, thanks for your comment! 👍
C F Moto wins on spec, but I'd rather have an old stock KTM 890 at £1750 less!
@Kernoodles, I can understand! 👍
199kg dry must be at least 224kg wet
@Chris Hart, thanks for your input. That might be right indeed. We could find data provided of the 2019 model KTM 790 ADVENTURE and there is mentioned 189 KG dry weight and 203 KG wet weight. So the difference is 14 KG in this case but might differ a bit depending on multiple elements (full tank etc.).
@@moto-news the f800gs is 191kg dry 214kg wet so I did see the ktm as 189kg dry. Considering the f800gs only holds 16ltr of fuel and the ktm 20ltr 213kg wet sounds correct. Remember dry can mean no battery fluid, no brake fluid no coolant, no fuel, no oil. So maybe 23kg is easily possible.
@Chris Hart, Thanks for the information! 👍
Japanese motorcycles are built different, there's alot of transalps from the 80s out there riding everyday, while KTM bikes look amazing and ride pretty well, they're not bikes that will survive a longtime, and for that reason, i will never buy a bike from a European brand.
@ItsChicoYo thanks for sharing! 👍
The 790ADV would be the best selling bike in the world if KTM wasn't completely out of their minds and actually fixes the myriad of known problems. Including the "demo mode" robbery.
Hello @mermerac, the DEMO MODE is much discussed indeed. KTM have released a video a few days ago in which they give complete insights in the KTM 890 ADVENTURE 2023 model and also explain DEMO MODE. They claim that offering al these features (cruise control and Rally mode) in the mid-class segment is not standard. Because not every rider knows what for example Rally Mode means for their rides and if they would need it, the DEMO MODE will make it possible to experience it.
Honda japan!!! Για να εχω το κεφαλι μου ησυχο και να ξερω πως θα φτασω συγουρα και οχι να το φερνω φορτομενο με οδικη !!! Αυτα οσοι ξερουν honda οι υπολειποι ktm καθε τριτη τεταρτη μαστορα
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No se pueden comparar, honda no es rival para ktm, ktm esta por encima
Thanks for your opinion!
I'm only 5'11" old guy and just sitting on the Honda it was much easier and had way more comfortable foot peg position. The KTM pegs are back and high very uncomfortable to me. Plus the Honda feels less like a tank around the tank. Haven't road either no comment there. Not a big fan of all these adventure bikes that make you feel like you have a 50gal drum between your legs. The Triumph 900 still feels and looks like a classic motorcycle and not sitting on a 50gal Drum. Love the Ducati Desert Sled
@paulreid3273 thanks for sharing your thoughts and experiences! 😊👍
Regarding your comment about the "50gal drum between your legs" I understand what you mean. These adventure bikes are a bit wider than the mentioned Ducati Scrambler Desert Sled for example. They aim at being able to travel for multiple days to far away destinations while traveling on paved and unpaved roads. When you prefer a slimmer tank feeling you can look into a KTM 690 ENDURO, the Ducati Scrambler Desert Sled or a bike like CFMoto 450MT.
Anyway, very smart you tried sitting on different bikes so you get a feeling which suits you best.😃
Do you own a Ducati Scrambler Desert Sled at the moment?
Like compare Fiat to Mercedes 😁 KTM wins all, no questions.
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790 is chinese
yes KTM wins the most unreliable motorbike competition.
I think the CFMoto 800 will be better than both of these and cheaper as well.
Also a nice motorcycle to keep an eye on!👍
Service interval? Check it out.. reliability not proven..
@@peterruff9845 15,000 km service interval!
10690 vs10.990
@Daniele Scipioni, thanks for sharing.....in which country are these the prices? We mentioned the prices of the motorcycles in Spain.
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Thanks!
KTM better Corner ABS etc, lower Fuel Tank, easy to drive, Honda looks poor at the Front, not my Bike against KTM. I like my pimped 790 which has KM with no Problems, even at the TED and more than some Dumps. Better than often told here after many KM
Have a good Time 2023
Sounds like you are enjoying and using your 790 where it is made for at the TET, great! ⛰😎
The split head of Ktm sucks, it looks bit psychopath rider.
@ChaKra, thanks for your comment 👍
niemals ein Motorrad das „made in China“ ist- schäm dich KTM 👎👎
@M. Summi, luckily KTM has also plenty of models which are designed and built in Austria.👍
100% honda! Siempre!
Thanks for your comment 👍
Wait a minute, per their website (at least the US one), KTM doesn't MAKE a 790 anymore, they switched over to the 890 in 2021...I HAVE one (R model with Tech Pack), and as it's better (power, suspension and lighter) offroad I wouldn't even consider the Honda or T7. Is this some photochop vid or??? The fairing and windscreen LOOK like they're from the 2023 890, but like I said, to my knowledge and their site they don't make a 790 any longer...
Just Google it
@@ChopperChad Wow, weird, I had to dig around and I see it's available in maybe the EU market? VERY strange because they HAD the 890 the last couple years if I remember, so, they went backwards??? Glad I'm in the US!
Hello @K X, The KTM 790 ADVENTURE is indeed back for 2023 while it was not available a few years. This model is produced by CF MOTO in China and is positioned at a lower price as the 890 ADVENTURE and 890 ADVENTURE R. It has a new design and therefore looks a lot like the 2023 KTM 890 ADVENTURE. It might not be available in every country as you already discovered :)