If it sounds easy, but it involves a 486-class machine, write off a whole evening anyway! It's always a wonderful domino effect of weird config file issues and driver fun.
It's definitely nostalgic, though I can't recall whether it was fun nostalgia, or "beat your head repeatedly against the desk" nostalgia. Mid 90's teenage me would have probably answered the latter, though there was a sense of relief when you got config.sys and autoexec.bat playing nice with whatever you were trying to install.
I loved this video. Yes, you forgot a few things, but you didn't hide it, and you figured it out faster than I would have 20 years ago. I started out with Windows 3.11 and Windows 95a, using Windows NT server 4.0. Those were such fun days. You actually had to think about what you were doing. Now the newer versions of Windows do it all for you. The early days were so much better in my opinion. Sure there was a bunch of stuff we didn't have, Google, youtube, smartphones, wireless networking, but it was just... fun. Seeing windows 3.11 again brought me right back to when I first saw it in about 1993 on an IBM ps/1 486sx. Thanks man!
Very nostalgic this. Windows 3.11 was the first OS I networked and connected to the internet. Before I discovered Linux. I recall my local ISP asking why I was not using Windows 95, but they copied Trumpet Winsock onto a floppy for me and it worked fine with my 14.4k modem
Only had 4 MB of RAM when I first got online in '96, so I kinda went back and forth between using Win95 and Win3.11, but Trumpet Winsock was a lifesaver :)
I did windows 311 networking last week and it surprised me how easy it was. I had a 3com pci card, found the drivers online. Installed them in 3.11 and it worked first try! I had to enable smb1.0 on windows 10 and then I could access my files. It was amazing
Also to get it working on Windows 10 without a password you need to change a group policy setting (computer config -> administrative templates -> network -> lanman workstation -> Enable insecure guest logons). And ofcourse you have to add/install SMB1.0 under additional windows software.
Honestly one of the most awesome videos in awhile. Your probably going to get hit with the "now put an ssd in it" comments but seeing windows 3.11 ping Google was like magic. It cured my ED instantly. Keep doing you man and I hope you are enjoying making videos again :D
I have a networked Windows 98 machine on a crummy wireless card and yet Windows 3.1 has a batter time with DHCP than 98 does as my machine chokes up when trying to get it's ip. Setting the IP to static makes everything alot smoother
the older SMB on windows 3.11 has a vulnerability that allowed ransomware onto people's computers so in windows 10 microsoft disabled anything older than SMB 2
Druaga1 When you format a fresh hard disk, you should put the /S parameter on it, this will transfer whatever system you booted with as part of the format process. Another parameter for format is /V which prompts it to ask you for a volume label, like WEED! Also you can put /B to set aside space for the system files in case you are not sure that you want to actually copy them and space is tight. And /? will always give you the parameter help.
I'm going to give you a huge ass protip on Windows 3.1/3.11 networking: Turn off PnP on your network card. It's not so much that Windows cannot use PnP, it is that a lot of ISA hardware has a really, really, REALLY hard time managing PnP settings. Windows 95 kind of fixes this, but I would still disable PnP for the network card. Most cards will have a setting in the driver config or card config to do this, then you'll manually assign an IRQ and IO Port.
Windows 3.11 and 9x and even DOS can see linux samba shares (as long as there are no passwords), so if you make some sort of linux NAS you can transfert files to a new system with the intermediary linux computer (because newer computers can also browse linux samba shares). I'm using this with a raspberry pi at the moment and it works great
Oh wow you solved the problem druaga. Well done I am so impressed. What is next in the problems you never need to solve in ancient tech saga? I am serious though. Looking at you solving unnecessary problems from a era gone is really entertaining. Please keep doing it.
Ha, you want to try stringing together a dozen or so computers on a 10BASE2 co-axial "thin-net" ethernet network. One clown kicks the cable under their desk and the whole lot goes down. That used to be fun...
Frozen yellow garden hose. Even better, the taps can only be done every 2.5 meters (or multiples thereof, like 5 or 7.5 or 10, but no less or no more) else the reflections from the taps can go into phase and totally screw your signal with echo.
Novell "Yes!" was a logo scheme for cards that Novell had inbox drivers for... for netware.. urgh. Doesn't look early enough to be an actual NE1000 or NE2000.
I remember my dad trying to get Internet working under Windows 3.11 and it was a giant pain in the ass and the majority of the time it did not work. Next thing for Druaga to do is try to get Internet browsing working under Windows 3.11.
You could probably 3D print a fan mount to fit in there and be held by that single screw. Mighty putty is not made to hold while being subjected to vibration constantly
My introduction to IT was in the late 1980s with the Token Ring RG-62 coaxial network and Unisys Icon system. Yes, Ontario Ministry of Education in Ontario, Canada LOL
I don't believe they pulled an Apple and sold a machine with inadequate cooling. Then again, my 386 didn't run on hot days. Nice trip down memory lane, but i'd have tried a Linux bootdisk with Samba.
You are using Samba, and only Samba 4 will be able to act as an intermediate between Windows 7 and 95/98/3.1 WfW/DOS As Samba supports all the various forms of NT Domains there are as well as AD.
I was about to say the same thing; when I saw that, I was like "Umm... it's winipcfg". To be fair, at an earlier point, and since XP it's been ipconfig, and I only slightly remember there being a difference, but yeah, different command.
I wish XP and newer still had the winipcfg GUI program that 9x has. ipconfig is command line only. Clicking buttons in winipcfg to release/renew your IP is quicker than having to type it in command prompt.
mighty putty a good joke but not practical why not use double sized adhesive sticky pads. I once attached ssd permanently with double sided sticky pads.
adhesive tape, made for sticking mirrors and stuff at home is kinda permanent.know a gal at uni who had a tablet at art installation, fixed to a wall like that, took part of the wall home when took that art down after:)
Probably already knew this, but Opera either does or used to have a 3.1 version. I learned this after being temporarily downgraded from 98 to 3.1 for about a year.
Hey man, just want to let you know, you should really use scandisk on diskettes that are giving you trouble it will scan and patch all the bad sectors and restore the corrupted data. i have had like %99 success rate on fixing floppies like that. good luck edit: also this site has some cool msdos network utilities(includes a ping tool and telnet tool etc and a ftp server and client :P)
You should in theory be able to get it sharing with windows all the way up to Windows 10. You just need to re-enable SMB v1 in windows 10 (it was disabled by default due to massive security issues) and then you can use that. I doubt you would be able to get a newer version of SMB on to windows 3.11... You could also try something else like FTP? Would stop you needing a man in the middle computer and Explorer supports FTP since about Windows Vista (possibly even 98? I cant remember) I also think it's hilarious that people forget how long computers used to take to start up. I remember getting to work, turning on my computer and then going to make a coffee, have a chat, generally piss about and then return to my machine to watch it finish booting.
49:20 it's definitely using SMB (Samba is a Unix server for this protocol). What you rather should have asked is if it's using SMB over NetBIOS or over IP.
The card is not "Netwere" It is a card for "Netwere" from "Novel". It would worck better in a Novel Netwere client or a Novel Netwere Server. Also please have it connected ether to a Thick Ethernet(the BNC connector/coax with termination) or Thin(TP Ethernet) for it to work.
Wait... "Auto-E-X-E-C?" In almost 40 years of computing I've never heard it said that way before. Literally everyone I've ever met said "auto-exec". Everyone.
Neat. You should be able to share all the way to Win10, but you'll probably need to re-enable SMB 1.0 Client in Win10 which was recently disabled for security reasons.
AAHHH DDAAAHHH.........wow blue LED's. I gotta go tell MA MA about that!!! DAAAHHH my mama done told to bring home something for dinner!!!......LMAO!!! I love the old computer though, and overall this is a great video about it.
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"not as hard as it looks"
The video is about an hour long...
This will be good
yeah but cause of many mistakes. my first windows was 3.11, so i can install all this in 5 minutes :-) networking on windows 3.11 is very easy.
Web browser on The Ultimate DOS Machine. You just have to.
"OOOOOOOO! It's got blue LEDs in it?!?!"
It hurt to hold back my laugh.
5:56
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Hey Computer Clan, also a *big* fan of you!
Theresa Horton oh, thank you! You flatter me.
It was so hard to hold back my laugh when Druaga said "OOOOOOOO! It's got blue LEDs in it?!?!"
Ken! Big fan! Watched all your windows ce videos and your krazy ken tech misadventures videos.
The "Netware Yes" logo just means that it works in Netware.
Oh man I hated dealing with the dirty old novel networks and their admins in the 200xs
@@billermanthegreat hey at least it ran for 4,000 days w/out downtimes!
this needs to be shown to young IT personel who expect too much from systems
You're absolutely right my friend!
If it sounds easy, but it involves a 486-class machine, write off a whole evening anyway!
It's always a wonderful domino effect of weird config file issues and driver fun.
It's definitely nostalgic, though I can't recall whether it was fun nostalgia, or "beat your head repeatedly against the desk" nostalgia. Mid 90's teenage me would have probably answered the latter, though there was a sense of relief when you got config.sys and autoexec.bat playing nice with whatever you were trying to install.
I loved this video. Yes, you forgot a few things, but you didn't hide it, and you figured it out faster than I would have 20 years ago. I started out with Windows 3.11 and Windows 95a, using Windows NT server 4.0. Those were such fun days. You actually had to think about what you were doing. Now the newer versions of Windows do it all for you. The early days were so much better in my opinion. Sure there was a bunch of stuff we didn't have, Google, youtube, smartphones, wireless networking, but it was just... fun. Seeing windows 3.11 again brought me right back to when I first saw it in about 1993 on an IBM ps/1 486sx. Thanks man!
Most of these old ISA ethernet cards are NE2000 compatible, so trying the NE2000 driver usually works.
Very nostalgic this. Windows 3.11 was the first OS I networked and connected to the internet. Before I discovered Linux. I recall my local ISP asking why I was not using Windows 95, but they copied Trumpet Winsock onto a floppy for me and it worked fine with my 14.4k modem
Only had 4 MB of RAM when I first got online in '96, so I kinda went back and forth between using Win95 and Win3.11, but Trumpet Winsock was a lifesaver :)
I did windows 311 networking last week and it surprised me how easy it was. I had a 3com pci card, found the drivers online. Installed them in 3.11 and it worked first try! I had to enable smb1.0 on windows 10 and then I could access my files. It was amazing
Also to get it working on Windows 10 without a password you need to change a group policy setting (computer config -> administrative templates -> network -> lanman workstation -> Enable insecure guest logons).
And ofcourse you have to add/install SMB1.0 under additional windows software.
10:50 “Y’know what? Forget the Drivers!”
I love your aggretsuko pfp
"OOOOOOOO! It's got blue LEDs in it?!?!"
back in the day of the 486 they never thought of blue leds oh my god they were so old back then
Dude. I was doing IT when these things we're common. I do not miss those days at all.
Honestly one of the most awesome videos in awhile. Your probably going to get hit with the "now put an ssd in it" comments but seeing windows 3.11 ping Google was like magic. It cured my ED instantly. Keep doing you man and I hope you are enjoying making videos again :D
I have a networked Windows 98 machine on a crummy wireless card and yet Windows 3.1 has a batter time with DHCP than 98 does as my machine chokes up when trying to get it's ip. Setting the IP to static makes everything alot smoother
the older SMB on windows 3.11 has a vulnerability that allowed ransomware onto people's computers so in windows 10 microsoft disabled anything older than SMB 2
Druaga1
When you format a fresh hard disk, you should put the /S parameter on it, this will transfer whatever system you booted with as part of the format process.
Another parameter for format is /V which prompts it to ask you for a volume label, like WEED!
Also you can put /B to set aside space for the system files in case you are not sure that you want to actually copy them and space is tight.
And /? will always give you the parameter help.
A Druaga 1 video on a Friday? HELL YEAH
add the "blue LEDs" moment to the next druaga supercut
I'm going to give you a huge ass protip on Windows 3.1/3.11 networking: Turn off PnP on your network card. It's not so much that Windows cannot use PnP, it is that a lot of ISA hardware has a really, really, REALLY hard time managing PnP settings. Windows 95 kind of fixes this, but I would still disable PnP for the network card. Most cards will have a setting in the driver config or card config to do this, then you'll manually assign an IRQ and IO Port.
Windows 3.11 and 9x and even DOS can see linux samba shares (as long as there are no passwords), so if you make some sort of linux NAS you can transfert files to a new system with the intermediary linux computer (because newer computers can also browse linux samba shares). I'm using this with a raspberry pi at the moment and it works great
the title gave me flashbacks ._. so many bad memories and headaches
Oh wow you solved the problem druaga. Well done I am so impressed. What is next in the problems you never need to solve in ancient tech saga? I am serious though. Looking at you solving unnecessary problems from a era gone is really entertaining. Please keep doing it.
Ha, you want to try stringing together a dozen or so computers on a 10BASE2 co-axial "thin-net" ethernet network. One clown kicks the cable under their desk and the whole lot goes down. That used to be fun...
Nothing like vampire taps.
Never had the pleasure of wrestling with Thick-Net cable but I've heard it likened to trying to cable a network using rebar.
Frozen yellow garden hose. Even better, the taps can only be done every 2.5 meters (or multiples thereof, like 5 or 7.5 or 10, but no less or no more) else the reflections from the taps can go into phase and totally screw your signal with echo.
Fingers crossed you now go extreme and go for IE 5 :) It's the STRANGEST thing on WFW!
betamax80 It really is, but at the same time it's really cool to see and 'use' such an old OS on the net!
Netscape Navigator
IIRC I was running Win 3.11 WFW on top of DR-DOS which was already networked enabled? Incredibly this is now over 20 years ago!
21:50 -- Raw... AAAAAaaaaaccess...
WTF happened there? lol
Fuzy2K he slowed down because it said 420
@@fanpusheen2642 Oh my god I didn't even notice that :O
Novell "Yes!" was a logo scheme for cards that Novell had inbox drivers for... for netware.. urgh. Doesn't look early enough to be an actual NE1000 or NE2000.
I bet there's a Realtek 8019 under that sticker. ...okay first guess taken! Possibly an RTL8029 then, the next revision?
betamax80 My grandad has a network card with a sticker like that, which was a Realtrk 8019
I like how the first video in the recommended section is LGR's review of Pod Racer. :V
Patch93 hah, same here!
What’s he going to add next a sound card just to make satisfying sounds...... OK maybe that’s a little too far XD
I remember my dad trying to get Internet working under Windows 3.11 and it was a giant pain in the ass and the majority of the time it did not work. Next thing for Druaga to do is try to get Internet browsing working under Windows 3.11.
You could probably 3D print a fan mount to fit in there and be held by that single screw. Mighty putty is not made to hold while being subjected to vibration constantly
because windows 3.11 ended at 12-31-2001
Need to make your hard drives primary partition “active” to make it bootable.
Also, simply “sys c:”
Or wherever you’re booting from
39:54 - I think that could be a windows 10 issue, try manually entering \\192.168.0.102
It is a different win 10 issue.
Win 10 doesn't support SMB 1.0 by default.
You need to manually enable it.
My introduction to IT was in the late 1980s with the Token Ring RG-62 coaxial network and Unisys Icon system. Yes, Ontario Ministry of Education in Ontario, Canada LOL
An hour of Druaga1? Let's watch all of it!!!
20:30 "we're robot mexicans"
Ahh the NetWare Yes card. A true classic.
I don't believe they pulled an Apple and sold a machine with inadequate cooling. Then again, my 386 didn't run on hot days.
Nice trip down memory lane, but i'd have tried a Linux bootdisk with Samba.
maybe wi fi for windows 3.1 in 2018
21:51 Nice
What is this reference to?
The number 420 as in 420 blaze it
FBI FBI Ah, I get it now...thanks!
You have no idea how excited I got when you pinged google from Win 3.1.1
The "N YES" logo is showing that it was a Novell compatible network adapter. The more you know...
I just realized that your desktop background is a (modified?) background from the GBA Pokémon games.
Definitely one of the best videos out there. I kinda like it. Please, keep it like that.
The command.com search thing worked with .com9 extension because it primitively only knows 8.3 filenames and truncated your "COM9" to "COM".
Get that CPU Upgrade! THAT would be a fun video.
You are using Samba, and only Samba 4 will be able to act as an intermediate between Windows 7 and 95/98/3.1 WfW/DOS As Samba supports all the various forms of NT Domains there are as well as AD.
Netware Yes = Novell Networks
Haven't seen that logo in along time.
To think that I've got an even older NIC sort-of-working under Windows 98SE.
For some strange reason in Windows 9x you need to run winipcfg rather than ipconfig.
I was about to say the same thing; when I saw that, I was like "Umm... it's winipcfg". To be fair, at an earlier point, and since XP it's been ipconfig, and I only slightly remember there being a difference, but yeah, different command.
I wish XP and newer still had the winipcfg GUI program that 9x has. ipconfig is command line only. Clicking buttons in winipcfg to release/renew your IP is quicker than having to type it in command prompt.
Fair point, but you could always write a batch file to automate it, and then just have a shortcut to the batch file.
Windows 98SE comes with both
Druaga this was fun for us too!
So, mighty putty is a verb now? I can't keep up.
Please install Internet Expolorer, we have to see this thing rocking the Internet!
The ultimate DOS machine looks so bad ass
You can add support for old samba protocols by installing it via the windows add/remove features application
Managed to get the same card working under windows 98 today. Freed up a PCI slot too.
Great, now you can play Hearts with others!
39:28 It was at this moment that Druaga realized.... he DIDN'T fuck up!
I believe the DOS prompt in Windows 3.11 uses virtual 8086 mode.
Lol, we start with 8 minutes of problems, and we haven't started to try networking yet ! :D Classic Druaga !
I'm enjoying these researched videos!
Terminator for BNC connector? compact flash to ide converter? :P
Kyle Hewitt Where's the fun in making it easier? ;)
Druaga1, I appreciate the hour long video. I know it must have taken a lot out of you to edit.
"This network card is a NetWare what?"
"Yes"
Holy shit, a 2 Stupid Dogs reference! R U ME BRO
I'm getting michael mud vibes and I love it
Google got pinged with some nostalgia
Download fing onto your phone. Much easier to list devices on the network than over the routers web-interface
I take it you guys really like watching the long journey to finally get it to work? As if frustration with your personal projects isn't enough?
What you should do next is installing a web browser on windows 3.11
Øyvind Svanevik Opera 3 or IE 5, yes
Or one of those delicious Ms does web browsers.
Disk Drive shuffle as we used to call it..
21:50 That slow down for 420 :DDDD
mighty putty a good joke but not practical why not use double sized adhesive sticky pads. I once attached ssd permanently with double sided sticky pads.
adhesive tape, made for sticking mirrors and stuff at home is kinda permanent.know a gal at uni who had a tablet at art installation, fixed to a wall like that, took part of the wall home when took that art down after:)
Probably already knew this, but Opera either does or used to have a 3.1 version. I learned this after being temporarily downgraded from 98 to 3.1 for about a year.
what version is it that works?
You can upgrade a 5v 486 socket mobo, you just have to be careful with what chips you plug into it.
cool network card!
Friday Videos! I LUV IT!!!!
Hey man, just want to let you know, you should really use scandisk on diskettes that are giving you trouble it will scan and patch all the bad sectors and restore the corrupted data. i have had like %99 success rate on fixing floppies like that. good luck
edit: also this site has some cool msdos network utilities(includes a ping tool and telnet tool etc and a ftp server and client :P)
You should in theory be able to get it sharing with windows all the way up to Windows 10. You just need to re-enable SMB v1 in windows 10 (it was disabled by default due to massive security issues) and then you can use that. I doubt you would be able to get a newer version of SMB on to windows 3.11... You could also try something else like FTP? Would stop you needing a man in the middle computer and Explorer supports FTP since about Windows Vista (possibly even 98? I cant remember)
I also think it's hilarious that people forget how long computers used to take to start up. I remember getting to work, turning on my computer and then going to make a coffee, have a chat, generally piss about and then return to my machine to watch it finish booting.
Dectalk? YES, DECTALK! DECTALK! I LOVE DECTALK!
49:20 it's definitely using SMB (Samba is a Unix server for this protocol). What you rather should have asked is if it's using SMB over NetBIOS or over IP.
SMB 1.0 is the file Transfer Process being used.
There is a thing there, whatever it was called, perhaps a internet booster of some sort goes in that?
Hell yeah! Nothing like morning networking ;)
dos, dos networking, i love it
The card is not "Netwere" It is a card for "Netwere" from "Novel". It would worck better in a Novel Netwere client or a Novel Netwere Server. Also please have it connected ether to a Thick Ethernet(the BNC connector/coax with termination) or Thin(TP Ethernet) for it to work.
Druaga1 fans watching akbuku
"Druaga?"
Akbuku fans watching druaga1
"Akbuku?"
This is why I hate Windows 3.1 - 2000 or ME because you have to do THIS CRAP.
Wait... "Auto-E-X-E-C?" In almost 40 years of computing I've never heard it said that way before. Literally everyone I've ever met said "auto-exec". Everyone.
43:49 ah, Re InboxBin Q95, my favourite e-mail client.
It's probably using smb 1.0 which is disabled in win 10 by default
"auto e x e cee dot bat" 😂
Joao Eduardo Soares e Silva god bless him Ian's an interesting guy
"auto eggsect dawt bat" is what he should've said.
So you cracked a french version of Rayman 2
DES FRANÇAIS ICI ???
Maybe Druaga's from Canada?
Nobody Nobody I could have sworn he was Québécois
vive le Québec !
Neat. You should be able to share all the way to Win10, but you'll probably need to re-enable SMB 1.0 Client in Win10 which was recently disabled for security reasons.
Anyone remember Lantastic?
I think
AAHHH DDAAAHHH.........wow blue LED's. I gotta go tell MA MA about that!!! DAAAHHH my mama done told to bring home something for dinner!!!......LMAO!!! I love the old computer though, and overall this is a great video about it.
NE2000? i have installed many of them.
He's funny because of fails and fails are funny.