I remember the days when AA actually meant something. Now I"ll be in a Worcester with priority sector on and Def. AA active and a Midway will lose two planes and still hit me for a full drop. What's the point of AA if a bloody Worcester of all ships can't defend itself?
Honestly. As someone who plays some CV's, Worcester and the other AA cruisers with DefAA should cost you half your squadron if you decide to do a drop. It'll add more balanced element into the game if these AA ships actually do what they were made to
Libertad: - Strongest secondary in game. - DCP from americans. - rudder shhift better than a lot of cruisers. - stealth citadel. - acceleration like british lite cruisers. - repair partyfrom thunderer. - superstructure absent. - F-ucking button to all of this with stupidly burst What the hack WG thinking when giving all of this to 1 ship... And afteer this frankenstein they create light cruisers without hydro or aa and torps... I think those who balance that shit - newer ever play in games at all.
I remember shooting at one in my Delaware. The only damage I ended up doing to it was with fire because its flight deck bounced everything I threw at it, between plunging shots and level bombers. (For some reason TH-cam nuked my previous post.)
To counter Shinano you'll need Archerfish, one Torpedo and she's done 😂. Edit: before someone starts being smartass and tells me: "it's impossibile to sink a CV with just one Torpedo" mine is just a joke base on the history between those two ships.
@ Historical references aside, in the game with sub torpedoes you either dodge the whole salvo or eat the whole salvo, with anything in between being extremely rare 😁
I have the perfect tactic for dealing with Shinano with a T8. Yolo into the nearest cap, and move on to the next game. I will have zero impact, so may as well try to find a fair game.
i think the problem with libertad is that wargaming decided that it needed to be incredibly difficult to punish. if it didnt have the insane gun angles and rudder shift it would be good but not better than legmod colombo
Plus I play Annapolis often and every time I see a Libertad I make their life hell and never make them play Libertad again cuz i hate that ship when my teammates does i will cook that thing
The main problem is that the only way to punish her is with BB HE and fires which take forever and by the time you get the DoT kicking she already sliced through your flank doing 200k damage with secondaries.
When i first saw a Libertad broadside, i genuinely thought i had done something wrong when i didn't citadel it in a Yamato. Id also like to add the majority of Superships. (T9 v T11 pain, thats why)
I got the smolensk when it first came out it was so fun with the long range build before the nerf and if you needed the solo warrior achievement it was very easy to get it at the time in the smolensk.
Honestly the worst thing with the Hildebrand is that it's either the terror of the flank and beyond or it's some sub 45% spud who does nothing, no spotting, no shooting, loses his fragile torps every time flying into the obvious clump and etc. And because it's a cash only ship it's gonna be that way with no in between for the next year until Santa Boxes roll around again.
I never saw Libertad in my games, so I can't express myself on it; Thunderer I saw it once on the PTs Servers, I almost had it once, but I had resources only to get one ship, either Goergia or Thunderer, I chose Georgia, never regretted the choice; Jäger players are most idiotic I've ever seen, they go full speed ahead ram the first DD they see and end up dead at the start of the match; Benham I've saw it sometimes, but never fought it, the only thing I don't understand about that DD is why it's Torpedoes are so fast, it mounts the same stock Torpedo of Benson they should move at 55 Knots so why do they move at 68? The mentioned CVs I end up lucky most of the times, they sually sink when put under pressure by my team, sometimes I sink them, sometimes others sinks them; Smolensk I had the unpleasant experience of encountering it, both as ally and enemy, when it was my enemy I tto a helluvya of damage from its HE, but it was Smolensk who ended up dead, first time by the AP Super Havy Shells of my Iowa, one shot from 18 Km away, 3 Citadel hits, dead; second time it was melt by the Secondary Battery of my Georgia. As an ally I was saved by it because I had my freshly buyed Iowa, still in stock version and I was dying against a GK, Smolensk roasted it, but most of the times it ends up staling my kills. That German hybrid Cruiser/Carrier which came out recently I still need to encounter it in battle so I don't know how good/bad I'll fare against it. This are the ships I hate the most: 1) Pommern: it's the only German Battleship that can routinley one shot my USS Georgia l, if in the matchmaking there's me with Georgia and in the enemy team there's a Pommern, it's guaranteed that it will survive long enough to find and sink me; 2) Hannover: that ship is a curse! Whenever I play with Annapolis on the PT I always end up matched against it, I generally survive, but not without taking too much damage, I only managed to sink it once with Annapolis, now when I see it I do a 180 and run to the other side of the map, that way Hannover will have to chase me and end up in the crossifre of my team BBs 😅 3) Shimakaze: how the hell WG expect a US Battlehips Player to dodge 15 Torpedoes that came out of nowhere? 🤬 4) Tier 8-10 Franch DDs, have you ssen how fast those things are? It's a miracle when I manage to land two consecutive shots on them! 😱 And don't even get me started on how deliriously fast Le Terrible can go! I wonder how people can turn it around without crashing into Islands or other ships all the time 🤔
I'd like to add Alliance, though alliance is exclusively a huge pain if you push into one, the torpedo curves makes dodging them almost impossible & their slow speed means they'll keep you busy alot longer if you try running away.
I am far less bothered by CVs than by subs. With CVs at least you can see their planes coming; by the time you get pinged by a sub, torpedoes are already in the water, you are often already pre-occupied with someone else, and most BB and cruiser evasive maneuvers tend to be well within homing torpedoes' ability to compensate.
at least you can sink subs though.... cvs just point click risk free damage from behind an island or the corner of the map and there is no effective counterplay available to deal with them. even AA does nothing.
*Looks at personal stats* Benham: 1900 matches, 59% winrate. Jager: 900 matches, 54% winrate. Yea, sorry not sorry, everyone. :P Jager's problem is that it is much more team dependent. It lacks the torpedo DPM that the Benham has. It is much easier to get hits, but the hits do less damage. When you have teammates setting fires, it is easier to stack flooding, but in a fighting retreat that can actually be a problem. An enemy team can absolutely push you back because you simply can't do enough damage to them if your teammates fold or run away. On the flip side, if the enemy is being pushed back, Jager's torps have enough speed and range that you can torp enemy ships that are running away. Benham shines when the enemies are trying to push you. Your torps should always be on reload. Wide spreads on the RPF indicator at the start of the match will frequently result in hits. later in the match as well. For the love of God, don't stack your launchers. Don't save your torps for that "perfect shot". Put torps in the water and get the hits you can. They reload in a minute and you don't get paid to hold onto them. Don't think about Dev strikes. Don't think about using the guns unless you absolutely have to. When enemies run away though, it can be hard to get any damage. The torps don't have enough speed and range to catch fleeing ships. Keep them spotted though and get all that lovely spotting damage. With both of them, always be spotting for your team. The funny thing is that my damage in the Benham is only average, it's being good at capping and spotting that make the difference. You can play to do damage or you can play to win games. Playing to do damage often wins games, but not always. Best of all, I got both ships for free. :D If you don't have either ship, the Jutland is actually the next best ship to get and in some ways is better than the T10 Daring. The plethora of short smokes lets you shoot and scoot or make quick escapes. The single fire torps are great against bow-on enemies, the hydro helps with torps, and the 5.7 conceal actually makes a significant difference if used right vs the more common 5.9 conceal at that tier.
For me, it's always Kleber or Marceau. Not because the people that play either are very good (they're usually not) but because i know for a fact i'm gonna get report-bombed and bombarded with messages in eastern european hieroglyphics for not suiciding into the middle like they did at the start of the game.
Khabarosk is one of mine. Unkillable in a gunboat fight, bounces every AP calibre. Unreal throttle juking at 45knts, never close enough to actually nuke. People often legit just give up shootimg you when you farm them because even if theh do hit its like 2k and superheal time
Mostly Pan-American BB Tech-tree line starting from Ipiranga to Libertad that I kindly most annoying ship ever fought on brawls in which the reason is a secondary build with Special Ability comes increases a range and damage.
Personally I'm more afraid of a St. Vincent more so then a Thunderer. the St. Vincent is overall just a better version of the Thunderer in every aspect.
The counterplay is their absolute doom if You just kind of Rush them, if You manage to spot them, they're done. And to mention, does it Even matter if damaging means "a risk" it's a role, CV players suffer cruisers AA's, they are barely managing to damage 2 or more ships together, Submariner players just can't fight nowadays, that closet range almost negative damage in Torpedoes doomed their capability to fight back. All other classes suffer the rest, BB's Hell suffer deepwater Torpedoes, cruisers Hell suffer ap shells in the Citadel, dd's have Bad time getting hit by any HE projectile, in any Game You hate snipers, snipers hate rushers
haha sometime i hated being targeted by hybrid ships like Hildebrand, Kearsage, and Chikuma II. but its fun to harassthose ships with Subs ping and torps attack, same with smoke sitters and Dutch CAs..
My most hated ships from bad to worst: Kamikaze/Fujin (utterly ruin the game for new players) Hildebrand (why can one team have a CV and the other not in ranked?) Libertad/Los Andes (Broken, why do they get Cruiser manuverability, BB firepower, and why do their secondaries MELT EVEYTHING. please lower their HE pen capabilities and fire chance. I mean wtf is the point of German BB'd anymore? Shinanu (They can just instantly CV snipe your CV player winning the game for their team) Then there's the Torp monstrosities. Benham/Jager/LA PAMBA... Wtf is happening here.
Well... If you want to play a battle where you do big guns vs big guns... You better change for another game... CV's are legal... Many forgot that in WW1 and WW2 Battleships weren't at all the decisive factor in naval battles... Specially in WW2!
Um yes carriers had a place in history's battles, but this is an arcade game that needs counter play or else it isnt enjoyable. Any class of shio thay doesnt have counter play ruins the game.
@@Yamato-tp2kfCVs could prob fit in the game somehow but WG failed miserably for 7 years to make them fit into, and im quoting WG themselves, the Rock Paper and Scissor style of the game. Wich btw every other class fits perfectly into (exept subs, but they have a small impact on game outcome)
You can counter Benham pretty easy with any normal DD with brain. Same with Jager but he can also get nuked and perma spotted by CV cos it has no smoke and 0 AA. Smolensk has never been some crazy problem. Its just HE spammer. Libertad with smart position is a problem but in this passive meta we need some powerful sec. BB cos without it all would be kiting at 20kms. But yeah it could be nerfer a bit. But what is absolutely cancer are CVS and Subs. Just pure cancer shit that ruins game for everyone. You can do 0 things against CV and almost 0 against subs. The design of that ships is just demented. The game without them is always just better.
Are we play the same game? You can't counter the CV and Sub. If they attack you, they attack you. No counter play. Like someone punching, oi but you can't hit back. I think it's fair play.
I remember the days when AA actually meant something. Now I"ll be in a Worcester with priority sector on and Def. AA active and a Midway will lose two planes and still hit me for a full drop. What's the point of AA if a bloody Worcester of all ships can't defend itself?
Honestly. As someone who plays some CV's, Worcester and the other AA cruisers with DefAA should cost you half your squadron if you decide to do a drop. It'll add more balanced element into the game if these AA ships actually do what they were made to
Libertad:
- Strongest secondary in game.
- DCP from americans.
- rudder shhift better than a lot of cruisers.
- stealth citadel.
- acceleration like british lite cruisers.
- repair partyfrom thunderer.
- superstructure absent.
- F-ucking button to all of this with stupidly burst
What the hack WG thinking when giving all of this to 1 ship... And afteer this frankenstein they create light cruisers without hydro or aa and torps...
I think those who balance that shit - newer ever play in games at all.
Better rudder shift than destroyers, its stupid.
Shinano is gonna be tied with Essex for the most annoying cv to fight against once more people get it. It’s actually just such a menace to deal with
I remember shooting at one in my Delaware. The only damage I ended up doing to it was with fire because its flight deck bounced everything I threw at it, between plunging shots and level bombers.
(For some reason TH-cam nuked my previous post.)
@@dy031101same I hate that cv the most it took me out in three flights I was playing conquerer
To counter Shinano you'll need Archerfish, one Torpedo and she's done 😂.
Edit: before someone starts being smartass and tells me: "it's impossibile to sink a CV with just one Torpedo" mine is just a joke base on the history between those two ships.
@ Historical references aside, in the game with sub torpedoes you either dodge the whole salvo or eat the whole salvo, with anything in between being extremely rare 😁
I have the perfect tactic for dealing with Shinano with a T8. Yolo into the nearest cap, and move on to the next game.
I will have zero impact, so may as well try to find a fair game.
i think the problem with libertad is that wargaming decided that it needed to be incredibly difficult to punish. if it didnt have the insane gun angles and rudder shift it would be good but not better than legmod colombo
I have a libertard and never wanted to grind the Colombo line. I got the Colombo precisely because of so many libertards nowadays.
Plus I play Annapolis often and every time I see a Libertad I make their life hell and never make them play Libertad again cuz i hate that ship when my teammates does i will cook that thing
Libtard needs a nerf to maneuverability and an exposed citadel.
The main problem is that the only way to punish her is with BB HE and fires which take forever and by the time you get the DoT kicking she already sliced through your flank doing 200k damage with secondaries.
Leg Mod Colombo is the goat
Unistall is a pretty good option
When i first saw a Libertad broadside, i genuinely thought i had done something wrong when i didn't citadel it in a Yamato.
Id also like to add the majority of Superships. (T9 v T11 pain, thats why)
Libertad is a pain, yeah.
Bro Tennessee tends rip thru the citadel a lot the only ship that I know that can do that it’s weird I know but it works
I had a 18km Smolensk. I felt pity for the enemy team. But I can add the Kutuzov the first years of it.
I have the VIII YORKTOWN & X ESSEX (The love to smoke!)...... ;) Oh i forgot, i have the X U-4501 to!.... :)
Basically this is the reverse top 6 powerful ships in the game. But I like this format better haha, just cuz of the pain and suffering endured
I got the smolensk when it first came out it was so fun with the long range build before the nerf and if you needed the solo warrior achievement it was very easy to get it at the time in the smolensk.
Long time since i saw a Hildebrand in the game.
Merci , bons conseils , captain , bonne route
My top 3 most hated ships:
#1 all carriers
#2 all subs.
#3 any gunboat if I’m in a torp boat.
U4501: das boot music starts playing
More like rammstein music starts playing.
@Hallucinogenic00 nope, Rammstein is fine and dandy for any op German vehicle in any game... But this ship? U-96 on the headphones and go wild!
Honestly the worst thing with the Hildebrand is that it's either the terror of the flank and beyond or it's some sub 45% spud who does nothing, no spotting, no shooting, loses his fragile torps every time flying into the obvious clump and etc. And because it's a cash only ship it's gonna be that way with no in between for the next year until Santa Boxes roll around again.
I never saw Libertad in my games, so I can't express myself on it;
Thunderer I saw it once on the PTs Servers, I almost had it once, but I had resources only to get one ship, either Goergia or Thunderer, I chose Georgia, never regretted the choice;
Jäger players are most idiotic I've ever seen, they go full speed ahead ram the first DD they see and end up dead at the start of the match;
Benham I've saw it sometimes, but never fought it, the only thing I don't understand about that DD is why it's Torpedoes are so fast, it mounts the same stock Torpedo of Benson they should move at 55 Knots so why do they move at 68?
The mentioned CVs I end up lucky most of the times, they sually sink when put under pressure by my team, sometimes I sink them, sometimes others sinks them;
Smolensk I had the unpleasant experience of encountering it, both as ally and enemy, when it was my enemy I tto a helluvya of damage from its HE, but it was Smolensk who ended up dead, first time by the AP Super Havy Shells of my Iowa, one shot from 18 Km away, 3 Citadel hits, dead; second time it was melt by the Secondary Battery of my Georgia. As an ally I was saved by it because I had my freshly buyed Iowa, still in stock version and I was dying against a GK, Smolensk roasted it, but most of the times it ends up staling my kills.
That German hybrid Cruiser/Carrier which came out recently I still need to encounter it in battle so I don't know how good/bad I'll fare against it.
This are the ships I hate the most: 1) Pommern: it's the only German Battleship that can routinley one shot my USS Georgia l, if in the matchmaking there's me with Georgia and in the enemy team there's a Pommern, it's guaranteed that it will survive long enough to find and sink me; 2) Hannover: that ship is a curse! Whenever I play with Annapolis on the PT I always end up matched against it, I generally survive, but not without taking too much damage, I only managed to sink it once with Annapolis, now when I see it I do a 180 and run to the other side of the map, that way Hannover will have to chase me and end up in the crossifre of my team BBs 😅
3) Shimakaze: how the hell WG expect a US Battlehips Player to dodge 15 Torpedoes that came out of nowhere? 🤬
4) Tier 8-10 Franch DDs, have you ssen how fast those things are? It's a miracle when I manage to land two consecutive shots on them! 😱 And don't even get me started on how deliriously fast Le Terrible can go! I wonder how people can turn it around without crashing into Islands or other ships all the time 🤔
Every ranked game has a Los Andes/Libertad
It's made this season my worst to date.
Corrections, all carriers and all subs
YES!
Let's hope that I DON'T FIND YOU during a battle... With my CV...
@@Yamato-tp2kf Just no sense how much people complains about CV's, like, Hell, your team has a CV as well, It's the same for your enemyes
I have to say that the Jinan is more powerful than the Smolensk now.
I'd like to add Alliance, though alliance is exclusively a huge pain if you push into one, the torpedo curves makes dodging them almost impossible & their slow speed means they'll keep you busy alot longer if you try running away.
U4501 is like Taigai in modern Warships 😂
I am far less bothered by CVs than by subs. With CVs at least you can see their planes coming; by the time you get pinged by a sub, torpedoes are already in the water, you are often already pre-occupied with someone else, and most BB and cruiser evasive maneuvers tend to be well within homing torpedoes' ability to compensate.
Subs are truly the scum of the universe
at least you can sink subs though.... cvs just point click risk free damage from behind an island or the corner of the map and there is no effective counterplay available to deal with them. even AA does nothing.
*Looks at personal stats*
Benham: 1900 matches, 59% winrate.
Jager: 900 matches, 54% winrate.
Yea, sorry not sorry, everyone. :P
Jager's problem is that it is much more team dependent. It lacks the torpedo DPM that the Benham has. It is much easier to get hits, but the hits do less damage. When you have teammates setting fires, it is easier to stack flooding, but in a fighting retreat that can actually be a problem. An enemy team can absolutely push you back because you simply can't do enough damage to them if your teammates fold or run away. On the flip side, if the enemy is being pushed back, Jager's torps have enough speed and range that you can torp enemy ships that are running away.
Benham shines when the enemies are trying to push you. Your torps should always be on reload. Wide spreads on the RPF indicator at the start of the match will frequently result in hits. later in the match as well. For the love of God, don't stack your launchers. Don't save your torps for that "perfect shot". Put torps in the water and get the hits you can. They reload in a minute and you don't get paid to hold onto them. Don't think about Dev strikes. Don't think about using the guns unless you absolutely have to. When enemies run away though, it can be hard to get any damage. The torps don't have enough speed and range to catch fleeing ships. Keep them spotted though and get all that lovely spotting damage.
With both of them, always be spotting for your team. The funny thing is that my damage in the Benham is only average, it's being good at capping and spotting that make the difference. You can play to do damage or you can play to win games. Playing to do damage often wins games, but not always.
Best of all, I got both ships for free. :D
If you don't have either ship, the Jutland is actually the next best ship to get and in some ways is better than the T10 Daring. The plethora of short smokes lets you shoot and scoot or make quick escapes. The single fire torps are great against bow-on enemies, the hydro helps with torps, and the 5.7 conceal actually makes a significant difference if used right vs the more common 5.9 conceal at that tier.
For me, it's always Kleber or Marceau. Not because the people that play either are very good (they're usually not) but because i know for a fact i'm gonna get report-bombed and bombarded with messages in eastern european hieroglyphics for not suiciding into the middle like they did at the start of the game.
DDs and some cruisers have no ASW planes.
While under fire by other ships or planes, how are we supposed to get depth charges on Subs?
WOWP Dev Team: "We want you to di e"
Yea, these US navy suppport carrier line with its smoke, just can smoke itself and live for ever!😂
WOW trolled me i don't play CV's yet somehow i have 21 thanks to crates and pretty sure i have the entire british line.
Archerfish
hildebrand and u-4501 is fun to play
Khabarosk is one of mine. Unkillable in a gunboat fight, bounces every AP calibre. Unreal throttle juking at 45knts, never close enough to actually nuke.
People often legit just give up shootimg you when you farm them because even if theh do hit its like 2k and superheal time
Mostly Pan-American BB Tech-tree line starting from Ipiranga to Libertad that I kindly most annoying ship ever fought on brawls in which the reason is a secondary build with Special Ability comes increases a range and damage.
Personally I'm more afraid of a St. Vincent more so then a Thunderer. the St. Vincent is overall just a better version of the Thunderer in every aspect.
Most hated are subs, if you can call them ships
I personally hate shinano as a cruiser player that thing hurts
La pampa! Or 2 or3 in 1 team)
Liberated needs something nerfed… maneuverability, acceleration, armor, citadel placement… something.
i though the most hated ships were subs and cv/hybrids since everything else has actual counter play and you need to expose yourself to a degree.
2:06 How does one get Bradley Cooper in Indiana Jones outfit as a Commander.......? Anyone?!
Most likely very old commander think theres a list of commanders on wiki somewhere.
Dutch aircraft carriers on legends. They aren't cruisers no matter what war gaming calls them they are carriers.
CVs and SS's. Next.
The list should have been all CVs. All they do is point click risk free damage and farm you at will. There is absolutely no counterplay.
The counterplay is their absolute doom if You just kind of Rush them, if You manage to spot them, they're done.
And to mention, does it Even matter if damaging means "a risk" it's a role, CV players suffer cruisers AA's, they are barely managing to damage 2 or more ships together, Submariner players just can't fight nowadays, that closet range almost negative damage in Torpedoes doomed their capability to fight back.
All other classes suffer the rest, BB's Hell suffer deepwater Torpedoes, cruisers Hell suffer ap shells in the Citadel, dd's have Bad time getting hit by any HE projectile, in any Game You hate snipers, snipers hate rushers
haha sometime i hated being targeted by hybrid ships like Hildebrand, Kearsage, and Chikuma II. but its fun to harassthose ships with Subs ping and torps attack, same with smoke sitters and Dutch CAs..
My most hated ships from bad to worst:
Kamikaze/Fujin (utterly ruin the game for new players)
Hildebrand (why can one team have a CV and the other not in ranked?)
Libertad/Los Andes (Broken, why do they get Cruiser manuverability, BB firepower, and why do their secondaries MELT EVEYTHING. please lower their HE pen capabilities and fire chance. I mean wtf is the point of German BB'd anymore?
Shinanu (They can just instantly CV snipe your CV player winning the game for their team)
Then there's the Torp monstrosities. Benham/Jager/LA PAMBA... Wtf is happening here.
Spoiler;
Essex and Nakhimov but no Shinano is criminal haha
CV's should definately be No 1. But i see you put subs at that pos because they are worse for BB's i guess
BBs are legit the least affected by subs lmao.
Well... If you want to play a battle where you do big guns vs big guns... You better change for another game...
CV's are legal... Many forgot that in WW1 and WW2 Battleships weren't at all the decisive factor in naval battles...
Specially in WW2!
Um yes carriers had a place in history's battles, but this is an arcade game that needs counter play or else it isnt enjoyable. Any class of shio thay doesnt have counter play ruins the game.
@@Yamato-tp2kfCVs could prob fit in the game somehow but WG failed miserably for 7 years to make them fit into, and im quoting WG themselves, the Rock Paper and Scissor style of the game. Wich btw every other class fits perfectly into (exept subs, but they have a small impact on game outcome)
CVs and Hybrids are the worst by far.
You can counter Benham pretty easy with any normal DD with brain. Same with Jager but he can also get nuked and perma spotted by CV cos it has no smoke and 0 AA. Smolensk has never been some crazy problem. Its just HE spammer. Libertad with smart position is a problem but in this passive meta we need some powerful sec. BB cos without it all would be kiting at 20kms. But yeah it could be nerfer a bit. But what is absolutely cancer are CVS and Subs. Just pure cancer shit that ruins game for everyone. You can do 0 things against CV and almost 0 against subs. The design of that ships is just demented. The game without them is always just better.
Should make a video about ships you dont want on your team..
A good example is Yukon
yukon is a good ship
Shinano
All this is done to make people buy premium ships. Typical ploy on greedy companies to get the most money possible and damn the plays.
Your voice sounds different in this video
Cv and sub class don't bother me at all.
Sub bothers me cv doesnt.
Me too... They have a way to be dealt with
Are we play the same game? You can't counter the CV and Sub. If they attack you, they attack you. No counter play.
Like someone punching, oi but you can't hit back. I think it's fair play.
Lol!
these the ones i like to play lol, except Libertad X3
Libertad is quite weak to HE with improved pen