Lets Get Real: Analyzing Expectations of NBA Greats
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 พ.ค. 2024
- Nikola Jokic and his legacy are reeling in the wake of a blown 20 point lead AT HOME in game 7. But how can we measure the appropriate level of expectations placed on all-time NBA greats? One way is to evaluate their level of help versus each other. In this video, dive into a complete analysis of every MVP winner's supporting cast for the last 40 years.
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He is still legendary. 1 ring and 3 MVPs is better than a lot of these so called "greats."
ESPECIALLY at just the age of 29.
very true
and he do it with crazy ass stat line
100%, Jokic gave his team a good chance to beat Minnesota, where many critics said Nuggets are going to be swept by them. He took the series to a Game 7. That's MVP.
His teammates dropped the ball, his coach got sloppy not adjusting to the wolves. He has to hold the other guys accountable for sloppy play in the series.
@@skap_attackthank you again honorary Serbian brother. Thank you for keeping it real. And for defending Jokić when it needs to. Every great player has his ups and down. But our guy Nikola is not blaming anyone and putting teammates or coach under the buss. He will win at least one or two.
Let the haters know Skap
Yeahhh, I'm not going anywhere 😉💪
They are starting to threaten with unsubscribe, they just can't swallow those facts, not even after their team won.
Your the hater
@@chakra.blurrr You're*
@@skap_attackYou ever considered the fact that something is more impressive the *HARDER* (keyword) it is to come by?
With that in mind, who gives two 💩 Jokic didn't have media selected All-Defensive / All-Star teammates during his finals run... a run that contained 3 play-in teams & a #44 win 8-seed in the NBA finals... something Giannis nor LeBron nor Mj had the privilege of facing
Hes 0-6 against real competition (50+ win teams). Hes playing with statistically 1/10 greatest playoff risers in NBA history (Jamal Murray) . He has a viable double double threat that can anchor the defense (Aaron Gordon) . MPJ is 1/10 best 3pt shooters in the league...
The fact of the matter is he has more than is needed to succeed in this 🧁 NoD league. Many fanboys can rest assured tho when he doesn't, you'll be there to unapologetically leak all over the floor for him 😂
Jokic fanboys = LeBron fans
Hopefully the nuggets draft Bronny so his grandfather Jokic can teach him how to be a winner and a man
Damn
Bronny should team up with Thanasis, that would be the best duo in the NBA.
Lebron is a man a better one than you 😂
Also a choke artist and a real joke.😁One of the biggest defeats in playoff history.And allowed the biggest comeback in a game 7 in history.😂
@@jessiegomez8209 lmao😭
Curry, Giannis and Jokic have had such similar stories, nobody and I mean NOBODY expected them to become anything or win anything in the league when they were drafted and in the first few seasons! Curry didn’t have size, strength or athleticism so everyone looked him off, Jokic didn’t have athleticism, was told he was out of shape, was told he was too slow, couldn’t shoot, when he entered the league so everyone also looked him off, Giannis was super skinny, couldn’t shoot, was super raw and was unknown and he too looked off by everyone!
Oh, please. Cope harder with that fairytale narrative. "Similar stories"? That's a laugh. Curry, Giannis, and Jokic had fundamentally different paths. Curry had doubters, sure, but he came from a basketball family and had a standout college career. People noticed him, trust me. As for Jokic, the narrative that everyone ignored him is revisionist history at its finest. The guy had skills that were evident to anyone with a shred of basketball insight, but keep pretending he was some undiscovered gem. And Giannis? Yes, he was raw, but anyone with eyes could see his potential. He was a freak of nature, and people knew it. So next time, try not to lump these unique talents into your convenient little box of "nobody believed in them" clichés. It's tired, and frankly, it's wrong.
@@KyleCox404everyone saw jokic's talent? Correct if I'm wrong, but we wasnt he drafted around the 50th pick? And take a breath, you seem kinda mad.
@@johnwayne9828 Jokic was drafted 41st, not 50th, but your point is still ridiculous. Draft position doesn't always reflect talent, especially in a league where scouts and GMs often overlook international players. Jokic's draft spot is more a testament to the NBA's flawed scouting system than to his actual ability.
Just because he wasn't a lottery pick doesn't mean people didn't see his talent. Anyone with a shred of basketball insight who actually watched him play could see his potential. The draft is full of missteps and overlooked talents, and Jokic is just another example of the NBA's myopic view. So, before you start rewriting history, remember that Jokic's talent was there all along. It just took the league some time to catch up.
@@KyleCox404 😂😂😂ok👌
@@johnwayne9828 You have no argument so you just write ok. These fake NBA fans have no brains.
I find it interesting that some players, like MJ, Jokic and Kobe are held to perfection by every one of these losers in the media. The moment any tiny detail goes wrong they go crazy. Kobe won game 7 of the 2010 finals and they still mention ”6/24” when he lead both teams in scoring for that game. Meanwhile they give LeBron every excuse in the book when he loses or builds a new superteam. It’s hilarious and pathetic at the same time.
Game 7 of the 2010 finals is the ugliest beautiful game ever.
@Btwixed Carried late? I’d suggest you check out Kobe’s 4th quarter stats. 10 points on 4 shots. He was clearly the best player, while his teammates barely did anything, though that’s nothing new for the real King of being clutch. Carrying his team when they need it. Nice attempt at spreading misinformation though.
Now Ik you full of it’s literally the other way around and you know it y’all criticize 40 year old lebron more losing then 29 jokic in his prime off a mvp year what are we talking about
You need to understand something (not accept it but understand) for lebron james they had to lower the bar. I'll give u an example y u think the league changed the all star format (n the views n ratings have gone down to 💩 since) their "face of the league" was losing to much. Lebron is not synonymous wit winning. He's a lost more than winning especially when it matters most. Look at scoring milestones n how he lost those games.
TBH, Kobe should have never played after the 04 season. He should have been in prison.
Jokic is still Our MVP!
Facts! 👏🏾💯
Praising the "loser" is kinda biased...........
@@kryptochroniconolite7301
Is he a loser for dropping 34/19/7 or did he lose because his team just played bad outside of him and Murray?
If you watch the game 7
You realise it's the team
@@kryptochroniconolite7301how is it biased???????? Is he not the most valuable player in the league bud?????? What’s biased about that????
Shai is the real MVP The nba Cheating for that Fake European to win it again and unfortunately failed to help them advertise in the playoffs 😂😂 Go Ant💙
MJ only needed one all-star teammate to start winning titles. Joker just needed one teammate performing at an all-star level in last season playoffs to win a title.
Bingo.
Scottie wasn't actually an All Star for 2 of Jordan's 6 championships...in 1991 and 1998 MJ won without any all star on his team.
Now that's a great Analysis!!! Jokic is an All Time Great without consistent help. He carries his team most of the time. Denver is lucky to have him. And he still doesn't even look to having more help or taking his talents elsewhere. He just goes to work. Respect.
not to mention Jokic is the only 3xMVP that the nba and media have made clear they hate and do everything they can to keep him from winning. the refs have allowed other teams to hand check and hack Jokic every series, and he has never had the favor of the refs in a series. even in game 7 the FT count was 30-16 in the Wolves favor while Jokic was getting hand checked and shoved on every possession and Wolves were already in the bonus with 8 min left in the 4th! Jokic ended LeBron's "legacy" and sent the bronsexuals back into their basements which is the real championship imo!
100% Jokic and Denver OWN the Lakers and Bron's legacy. When fans talk about Bron, they will always bring up Denver sweeping them, dominated 11x and knocked out of the playoffs 2x in a row.
Nash is a 2x MVP & historically wasn't 💩 compared to Bryant or Shaq.
Thats all you need to know how valuable MVPs are. The criteria changes every seaso to benefit a select few... His 1st 2MVPs belonged to the winningest & highest seeded player in the league who cleared as a two-way (Giannis) & his latest belonged to the 30ppg scorer on 50%fg leading the league in stls as a no.1 seed (SGA)
A super old Lebron, Wow what an achievement...
@@vlad6331 he's only old when gets his ass beat, but when he wins on the backs of overwhelming talent, its, Bron is sooooo great in year 21!! 39 years old!! PICK ONE.
@@mattonkeyz341 39 years old lebron james congratulations
2004 pistons are quite special.. theres no top 75 player there, beating the lakers who have had multiple players inside the 75 that season...
Yeah and not even Phil could smoulder the dissension on the Lakers. Kobe and Shaq were tired of each other, actually they had been for a while but it just kept getting worse. Payton was past his prime, Malone was two, but he played pretty well overall. But I think he had some late season injuries.
And frankly, Larry Brown may be even a better Coach than Phil. Yes, even with him leaving jobs and hopping teams regularly, the man can coach basketball like you ever have.
It’s crazy that Ben Wallace was undrafted player 4 time allstar with 4 defensive player year awards ,one ring, a Hall of Famer and not top 75 player? That’s ridiculous.
Malone was 41 years old and injured and Payton was 37 years old and barely playing. The Lakers were a 2 man show, Kobe who was drained that season by rape allegations forcing him to travel to Denver every week between practices and games and Shaq who was lazy by then.
Despite the loss Jokic still led all players in the series against the wolves in points, rebounds, assists and was tied with Ant for steals while playing against the number one defensive team in the league. Statistically, he was the best player in the series, and until someone definitively proves otherwise, I still believe he's the best player in the world.
Lebron did this in most of his finals but he’s a bum😂 lebron a baby he yells at refs even tho Jordan dodged let’s target him because he’s better and we know it
@@chakra.blurrrLebron is not a bum. Without all the media garbage he is still number two. People are sick of the false agenda beong spread by NBA media constantly. He is clowned because of his ego and that "Lebron needs more help" garbage.
@@indeeeed yeah I got bron one, this is just what I hear in these comments when lebron averages a 36 triple double and loses it’s his fault it’s like stfu
Those numbers you’re drooling over. Classic case of stat padding. Leading in points, rebounds, assists, and tying for steals in a losing effort is the epitome of empty stats. When it mattered most, Jokic couldn't get his team over the hump. All those gaudy numbers mean nothing if you can't translate them into wins.
And let's not forget, padding stats against a tough defense might look impressive on paper, but real greatness is measured by results, not individual accolades. LeBron has proven time and again he can lead his team to victory, not just fill a stat sheet. He steps up in crucial moments, wins championships, and makes his teammates better.
@@chakra.blurrrI love it when LeBronze fans cry. Keep it up.
I think Skap needs to make an in-depth video on when a player actually ,,needs more help"
Because the media always wants to make us believe that guys like Bron who are always surrounded by a great supporting cast need more help when in reality he just isn't good enough to win and Anthony Davis is actually the best guy on the Lakers team currently
But Jokic in game 7 against Wolves drops 34/19/7 and everybody in his team outside of Murray(who also only shows up half of the time btw) don't even score double digits
But with Jokic I never see media people say he needs more help even tho he plays with 0 all stars and a super inconsistent supporting cast
It’s bccs last year he
Made all of them look good
That is all I've been saying! Been getting absolutely KILLED in my comments for days now for "defending Jokic". I understand you can't lose a 20 point lead in a game 7. But he has OVERACHIEVED greatly in his playoff career based on the supporting casts he has had. Literally NO ONE EVER could do what he has done with what he has had to this stage of a career.
@skap_attack that is pure cap. This team literally won the finals last year. The cope is unreal. Super teams don't work and it's proven. They were well rounded but blew it to an up and coming team
Look Minnesota will probably win a championship, Jokic is solely responsible for taking that series to 7 games. At the end 8 points decided the winner, 8 points that supporting cast decided.
@@rrichmond14 This is not the same team the one last year why you capping? They lost bench depth and they basically rely on Jokic and Murray playing out of their minds and hoping that AG comes through and MPJ can hit a bucket. This team is good but the bench is not great in long stretches. Look how they perform when Jokic is sitting and tell me this team is the same.
Skap giving Jokic a fair narrative. Nice to see the proper story being told.
Jokic won a title without any all-stars and is only 29 y/o. He still has many years left, so I don't get all the coverage about him as if he is retiring next year after being in the league for 15 yrs. The dude has only been in the league for 9 seasons. The Nuggets lost to a more complete team with a top rank defense who were able to wear them down in the 2nd half. All the greats have lost tough series and Jokic is no exception.
Nuggets without jokic is a lottery team. The fact that he took them to joint 1st record in the ultra-competitive stacked superteam West is alone making his MVP case obvious. He has to play entire games without rest. Jamal averaged 15 for the 6 games on 30% and the rest of the team couldn't even reach 7 points in a home game 7. He needs help. He's the only all star on his team and it shows. But it only adds to how great he is. Imagine if he even had a fraction of the help all these other superstars in the league have?
Jokic is basically a very talented high school senior on a team of seventh graders. He can only pull them up so far. He can mask their deficiencies when the competition is sort of okay tenth graders, but if it's a team of other good juniors and seniors, then it's extremely difficult. He can still get them far because he's the best on the court most of the time, but he will burn out.
Yeah give him all everything anthony Davis who averaged 28-15-4 on 64% shooting against the nuggets while being the best defensive player on the court by far. They would dominate
Murray is good but so wildly inconsistent. If he had a consistent 2nd option and MPJ had a better basketball IQ, I think they'd be back to back champions. Murray popped off in the first half of game 7, then did nothing the 2nd half.
If he just had a perennial all-star, he would have 2-3 rings right now. I'm not even saying a top 30-50 ALL TIME player. I'm not saying a top 10 CURRENT players. JUST AN ALL-STAR!
@@skap_attack they have no PG on that team , Jokic has to bring the ball up half the time.
I hope all the Murray overrating stops now , he is a Monta Ellis tier player.
Last year’s MVP hasn’t even seen a ECF. Jokic is still the greatest
He did afainst the raptors?
@@Refreshment01 That was only the second round
@@joshuawhite4330 I stant corrected. It was semifinals. Thank you.
This years MVP didn’t go to the WCF
@@TheCosmosAwaits yeah none of the 5 previous CHAMPIONS have either, the point is embiid has NEVER gone to a conference finals, not just this year.
Calling the 08 Celtics a cheap ring isn't completely accurate. They were all on the downside of their primes. Not smackdab in the middle of it. That's makes a huge difference and it shows because they could only manage 1 title from it
Yeah, many people don't seem to care about context in this era.
They did continue to get All-Star selections into the 2010s. Yes they weren't at their peak, but they weren't completely out of their primes either. And it was a weak East they played in. Injuries kept them from competing in 2009 and 2011 so 2012 really was their last hurrah and that's when the talent and hunger of Miami's Big 3 surpassed theirs.
We won that with doc rivers as a coach that’s worth 5 rings but people aren’t ready to say it
Yes it is a cheap ring imo. Here's why;
In 2008 those guys were still in their primes. Sure, it was the "downside" of their primes...But they were all still close to their primes at that particular point in time. The big 3 were all in their EARLY 30s. Pierce was 30. Garnett 31 and Ray Allen 32. So it doesn't matter if they got old and injury prone AFTER 2008 because we aren't talking about "after". We're talking about 2008 in particular. And that season they were all early 30s, and still at or near the peak of their powers. They absolutely destroyed the NBA that season from start to finish.
For me this team is a big reason why the league started going downhill with the "big 3" "super team" era that quickly followed. The 2008 Celtics were the first to do it and set the tone. Before that teams would have 1 big star surrounded by role guys, or 2 big stars maximum....Celtics were the first to put THREE big stars together. At least in the more modern era. People can argue that the 2004 Lakers did it first, but it wasn't really the same thing since Malone and Payton were clearly shadows of what they were in their primes. Not to mention the whole Kobe/Colorado fiasco happened. And the Houston Rockets in 1998/1999 with Olajuwon, Barkley and Pippen were on their last legs...Especially Olajuwon and Barkley. So the 2008 Celtics to me were the first. Not to mention Olajuwon already won titles with Houston, as did Kobe and Shaq with the Lakers. Where as NONE of the Celtic's big 3 had won a title before and they joined forces because the window was closing and they knew they weren't going to win unless they stacked the odds in their favor. Their success in 2008 ultimately set the tone for what the Heat did shortly after with Lebron, Wade and Bosh. Then KD going to GS, Lebron going back to Cleveland to team up with Irving and Love and even what the Nets tried to do (but failed).
So in conclusion it doesn't matter if the Celtics didn't get a dynasty of championships out of that move. They still win a ring because of it, and won it right away straight off the bat. When prior to this mega team up they weren't even close to being a championship team. So yes, it WAS most definitely a cheap ring. Anytime a group of players plot together and stack their team to the max to boost the odds in their favor...That's a cheap ring. Simple as that.
Jokic still the best player in the nba denver needa upgrade their roster 💯🤘
100%, Denver needs to make some moves this year if they want another chance at another CHIP.
1994 Hakeem Olajuwon could once be called the ONLY player ever to win a title with ZERO other All-Stars or Hall-of-Famers and ZERO Hall-of-Fame coaches.
But then Rudy Tomjanovich was (belatedly, but deservedly) voted in, so The Dream no longer has that distinction.
That is a pretty remarkable achievement. The 1994 title is definitely the greatest single season championship run ever by any player when you factor in supporting cast and competition.
Heck if you coach a team with no all stars to a championship, you deserve to be on HOF
@@skap_attack 1995 is also ridiculous considering the competition he went up against but of course he had Drexler that season
He did had Drexler in 95 bro, lol
@@skap_attack Skap, I like your content and generally agree with you, but this Denver team is much stronger than that Houston team. The first one for sure. Other than that, Jokc should be appreciated. He's still the best player in the league until further notice.
it physically hurts me when i see what the murray and mpj contracts look like
Jokic is the greatest center in his own era
...I have to agree. At least post-Shaq. For sure!!!
He perhaps is the best playmaker center ever (which just unusual) but his defense is lacking (which is not common for great centers), I can't even compare him with Giannis, they are too different, Jokic is more comparable with Duncan or Gasol
The most skilled center (foot work, handles, moves, passing)
The best offensive center (shooting, play making,)
Humble, great sport, champion, best player in the world, all time great
@@Tethloach1this is the best take. They keep underselling him
This is a weak center era.
😂😂😂 I’m really surprised this channel hasn’t got 100K subs with content like this. Nothing but facts!
1:39 Desperate 40-YEAR-OLD senior citizen-LeBron James is refusing to retire because, after 21 years, an ancient 40-YEAR-OLD LeBron James is still pathetically chasing the “ghost in Chicago” aka The GOAT - Michael Jordan. 👍👍👍👍
Literally there is nothing LeBron could do at this point to catch Jordan. If we are being real, there was nothing he could after he cheated the system in Miami and won less than 8 titles.
these two delusional losers hating on a 40-year-olds greatness, how pathetic and scummy you have to be to not be ashamed of yourself hating on a man's success that YOU wished you had 😂😂
two delusional jealous scumbags mad that LeBron has achieved success in his life, how miserable and pathetic you have to be to make hating on a 39-year-old your whole personality?!
Skap even with help, u dont talk about injuries for these greats in the finals. Stop generalizing things and give context when its time to give context. If someone's best teammates get injured in the finals and dont play, is that still help?
@@PER578 lol I don’t even know who you’re talking about. Steph? Lebron? Steph would have beaten Toronto if Durant and Klay didn’t get hurt. BUT Steph would NOT have won in 2015 if Kevin Love and Kyrie didn’t get hurt. So that’s a net wash for curry. And quite frankly he outright stole 2 rings with Durant he shouldn’t have and didn’t deserve. Lebron stole all four of his. So IT ALL EVENS OUT. Curry should have 2 and Lebron COULD realistically have ZERO. I think he would have a MAX of 2 if he never left cleveland.
Jordan would definitely disagree with you that his resume is perfect
That's exactly what I say all the time. MJ is great because he overcame the obstacles in his path. It's like his commercial about missing shots, game winners, and making people think he was perfect, but in truth it was all the hard work unseen. "maybe you just making excuses"
Yup
Jokic Literally did everything he could.
Jamal Murray, MPJ and all the Denver Bench are responsible for losing the series.
although true you could slightly make the case that if jokic hit those open 3s in the 4th his team could've won that game.
Even if those other players showed up you guys still wouldn’t give them any credit.
2-10 from 3 (particularly considering how open he was on a lot of those misses), poor defense, and honestly poor efficiency from the field in game 7 is not literally everything. Jokic is already one of the top 10 centers of all time. With that comes higher standards.
Y’all are now doing the same thing LeBron James fans do after his teams blow games… giving him excuses and blaming everything on teammates when the fact is they were up 20 in the 3rd quarter at home in a game 7! Jokic and Murray should’ve stepped on the Wolves neck and won that game. Jordan in 1998 won game 6 with one other player scoring only 15 because he went out and scored 45 and was cold blooded in the clutch. Jokic or Murray didn’t do that, no excuses.
@@jaketerpening3284exactly!
Jokic gets criticised, even tho he is one of the rare legitimate all time greats, that played trough even without real help.. can’t wait to see him in the Olympics now tho
Y’all acting like bronsxuals now
I honestly am beside myself for the response to Jokic. Just in general. Unbelievable hatred for a guy with subpar athleticism and a trash supporting cast who literally dominates the current NBA.
@@skap_attack I honestly would be fine with it if they kept the same energy for LeBron and other stars. He's pushing into all-time great convos, which should invite higher scrutiny. But the inconsistency of making excuses for LeBron getting bounced in the first round in 5, blowing multiple massive leads, and not even being the best player on his team is what drives me batty.
Jokic has never won anything without Murray and the chance he had to do it lebron took him out in the second round
If Jokic didn't single handedly won that game 5, where he was responsible for 70+ points, this series would be finished in 6 games for Timberwolves.
Micheal Jordan is a complete player than any other players in this era
STRAIGHT FACTS.
Joker is more complete in offense!
@@milelemi8725sure son 😂😂😂
@@linorestrepolobo3620 4 years MVP, 4 years leading all advanced stats, freak of nature 😘
@@Zemlja_je_ravna you just need a functioning pair of eyes to know he is not. Stats in this era are vastly inflated. But what would you know? You must be 12 and haven’t seen real basketball. He is great but can not touch Jordan
His humble attitude… he’s my all time favorite. And I’ve been following the nba for 25 years.
3:22 Michael Jordan is the standard OF ALL SPORTS ATHLETES, both nationally and internationally. So the debate of Michael Jordan being the best and greatest basketball player ever aka “the GOAT” of basketball is honestly beneath Michael Jordan, yet after 21 years, at AGE 40, these dudes are refusing to retire because they are shamelessly STILL chasing Mike Jordan.
Jordan shouldve never retired in 94. hed be even furthur ahead
I honestly believe no one will EVER surpass Jordan. It just isn't possible. The best offensive player EVER who was the best positional defender in the sport for his entire career...WHILE winning 6 titles in an 8 year span (and he didn't play one of the two seasons in between). No one is EVER equalling that.
People are making case for Jokic, for best offensive player ever.
@@Zemlja_je_ravna Because his averages haven't gone down yet because he's only played while young. Look at Jordan's averages during his first retirement in 93. Jokic does not compare and never will.
@@CHI-JORDAN-CHI Jokic is better playmaker, rebounder and screener than Jordan
George Mikan did win five rings in his eight year playing career and he was the best player in the world for basically his whole career, so I would say that's pretty close to perfect. Only MJ has a better resume and you could even argue that.
We can finally move on to the future GOAT Debates of: Michael Jordan vs Victor Wembanyama, Michael Jordan vs Anthony Edwards, Michael Jordan vs Luka Doncic, Michael Jordan vs Nikola Jokic, Michael Jordan vs Jalen Brunson, Michael Jordan vs Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Michael Jordan vs Ja Morant, Michael Jordan vs Donovan Mitchell, et cetera, et cetera. 💥💥💥💥💥🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀
Wemby is wild😂
LOL we can DEFINITELY get LeBron's name the hell out of that conversation. I am with you!
@@skap_attackJordan is not only the basketball GOAT, he is one of the best athletes ever regardless of sport. Legacy and impact wise, only Gretzky, Senna, Carl Lewis, Michael Johnson, Djokovic can be compared to him.
keep running ya mouth kid you MJ jock rider 😂😂
@@skap_attack lmaooooo
Jokic and Tim Duncan are easily top 10 centers of all time
Much needed video
Skap at it again ! Let’s go!
🙏❤
I'm so glad somebody else wants to give Olajuwon his flowers. He is criminally underrated all time. He played in the greatest era of bigs and centers including a one year removed MVP Kareem and dominated all of them head to head on the biggest stage. In the post season/ finals he beat: Ewing, had David Robinson about to cry at the podium, Shaq all these guys. It wasn't even a question who the best player in the league was when Jordan retired.
Denver is already great with Jokic without a single all star just imagine if he gets a genuine top tier partner
35 points, 19 rebounds in game 7. How is this hurting Jokic's legacy because of his whole team combining for 21 points outside of Murray??
If you replace Robert Parish and Danny Ainge with Bill Cartwright and John Paxson, people's views on those players would probably flip because of how much Bird elevated the play of his teammates. McHale was clearly elevated considerably by Bird's play also. DJ was the main one who was an all-star and all-defensive player before joining Boston. Bird and DJ truly made each other better.
Bird didn't make McHale's post game better. He didn't make Kevin a better defender either. Kevin and DJ were the best defenders on the team. Bird is definitely an all-time great, but people give him way too much credit for his teammates' talent.
@@xaviervega468 Don't recall saying anything bad about McHale's post or defensive skills, but Bird's passing skills and his ability to draw double teams certainly facilitated getting the ball into him. I acknowledged DJs greatness too. But as great as they all were, pretty much the same team went from a 57 win team in 87-88 to a 42 win team in 88-89 when Bird only played 6 games due to injury. Even the Bulls only went from a 57 win team in 92-93 to a 55 win team in 93-94 when Jordan retired after the first threepeat.
This was the greatest breakdown I've ever seen on the topic of all time greats and the help they've had in their careers
Another fantastic video, Skap! Thank you for all of the time and effort you put in to each and everyone of your videos, it means a lot!
Thank you for being consistent, unlike all those clowns on ESPN
You tried to discredit ALL-TIME greats to prop up Jokic…just shut your page down!
Okay bro bro bro I've listened to all of your analysis but this one by far is your masterpiece and I love how you turned a don't judge the joker and here's the reason why into a complete spreadsheet breakdown of all the other greats and on top of that being able to point the bums out at the same time so you were literally able in one analysis to literally achieve four different things and I wonder how many people are going to catch it absolute master class analysis consider me both impressed and proud of you on this one. And my respect is not earned easily.
Thank you for this video! I hope that people will share this and that it will reach some of these so called analysts and maybe they learn something about the game they are involved with...
Nuggets are hurting with Michael Porter's Ridiculous contract, but 🃏 will have to find a way to squeeze every drop of talent out of his G-League lineup
Another great video Skap!
Thank you so much! And thank you for continuing to tune in here and support me. I appreciate you 🙏❤
@skap_attack of course! Content is great and spot on. We need honest sports content! All legacy media (news, politics, sports, etc) is woke and a joke.
@@skap_attacktou Is hater
You still bring the facts in so many ways it put those on the main stream media to pure shame. Great work Skap.
Jokic is a beast..his play on the court makes him the most skilled big man of all time
No one could of imagined a "plumber" to win 3 MVPs maybe 4.
It truly is astonishing 🤣
When todays NBA is a huge toilet, you need a plumber lol
He’s not even a plumber
@@thefunguy5069 in the eyes of Shaq and ESPN he is a Most Valuable "Plumber"
@@thefunguy5069 Plumper?
I can respect this breakdown
I thought the last video was deflective blaming teammates but this was a good breakdown and you held him accountable good job 👍 MJ da Goat 👑
Modern NBA “fans” can’t comprehend this level of analytical examination of the league and its players. Their tik tok brains will implode trying to process this.
This is lowkey a response video
To what video is this response?
Ticket and Sports a fitness Rants.
Yeah, the jokic hate is very very real, and it’s lies.
@@blexusxeno25 errr..i dont think Skap cares about Sports fitness rants. He is insignifcant, Skap is already doing analysis with whitlock
@@arihia45 what about Ticket TV?
Excellent commentary. As always.
Spectacular video...really well done.
He wasnt attempting to get into any conversation, he was attempting to do his job to get home to watch his horses.
Exactly. It's going to be hard to rate Jokic so high when he admittedly doesn't have the drive.
Damn this video was ass
Thumbs down on the video
I feel so bad for Jokic. His coach and all of his teammates failed him in game 7 except Murray who was awful for most of the series
Yep. I will continue to defend him because I don't want him to follow suit of all of the other losers in this era. Like, imagine if Jokic just throws his hands up, says "I NEED MORE HELP" and goes and teams up with Luka Doncic lol. That's what all of the others in this era would do if they were him. Instead he just stays put and ALREADY HAS A TITLE!
And he saved you twice against the Lowly Lakers or who knows what would have happened, funny how you conveniently keep forgetting to mention that...smh
@@fabriciobraga633 he did hit a lot of clutch shots of course including the 2 game winners but they wouldn’t have been down double digits in almost every game if he wasn’t so ass for most of them
Amazing, in depth video!
must say really like the way u make these vids very objective and great insight to the game well done skap👍👍👏👏👏👏👏
Kobe had 3 at that point none of these other players had those types of accolades and ended up with five Jokic has one ring but great job on holding him accountable. The streets have spoken.
3 as the second fiddle. Sorry but we can't forget that either.
Edwards is not yet in the same galaxy with Kobe, let alone Jordan. Those comparisons will hurt him in the end. The kid is great but he needs to get real and stop listening to the “media”.
He literally objected to the comparison, what are you talking about?
Ant literally told them to stop the MJ comparisons
I been following you for a while, this video has to be your best work on this channel. Salute 💯👏
Awesome video.
Got my coffee. Love your content
Thank you SO MUCH for supporting me and the channel. I really appreciate you 🙏❤
Anytime brother
Robert Horry (7-0 in NBA Finals) be like
"Am I a joke to you??"
😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
To me, Joker already is an all time great. How many players can top 3 MVPs and 1 Finals MVP? If we are talking about advanced stats one can argue that he even has GOAT potential.
No player has and will ever have a perfect or flawless career. I think MJ would agree that missing the Finals 9 times is far from perfect and he probably took it personal...
The research alone that goes into this is a lot, and to go through each player's career as well, I have to give you credit for the efforts you put into your videos it's always factual
The real crime is LeBalco pictured next to all those legends
Why? Oh yeah he is above them
@@chakra.blurrrWould you like to kiss him?💋
@@chakra.blurrr😂
🤡🤡
The crime is your lebron derangement syndrome
Micheal Jordan and Kobe never ask to get traded
Actually Kobe asked publicly to be traded in 2007.
@@blexusxeno25He stayed though. That's the point.
@@tassothomas5186that doesn’t change the fact that he still wanted to be traded.
Kobe did.
Jordan quit the team. I say Jordan is worse.
Dude straight up said "ta ta !"
😂😂😂
Pippen was like, I didn't come here to do this by myself!
@@holymsophy Revisionist history. That's not what happened. At all. Lol
Great video!
This channel is what we need not what we deserve. Thanks for combatting all the foolishness circulating around the internet.
The haters ain't gonna like this video, 😂! But the numbers and accolades don't lie, as much as they try to ignore them.
Different generation needs to stop being compared
Great video! Lots of info.
Great analysis.
@SkapAttack is this why you say dirk is winner while ignoring his 2007 loss and his 2006 loss?
1000%
Those Dallas Teams CHOKED!
LeBron Raymone James did much better playing in the NBA’s Eastern Conference. LeBron James is the BIGGEST NBA Western Conference Failure in NBA History - LeBron James: 2019 -> FAILED to make the NBA Playoffs, 2020 -> Asterisk BUBBLE Consolation Prize, 2021 -> LOST in the 1st Round, 2022 FAILED to make even the NBA PLAY-IN Tournament👀😅, 2023 SWEPT 4-0 in the Western Conference Finals, and 2024 Gentlemen’s SWEEP 4-1 in the 1st Round. Now we see why LeBron James went to 8 straight NBA Finals. Michael Jordan locked the GOAT Position at #1. Now ranking Kareem, Magic, Kobe, and Bird ahead of LeBron James sounds very logical. And yes, the basketball world is starting to rank Tim Duncan over LeBron James as well. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
The longer LeBron plays, the further he falls. Which is so utterly ironic because he's clinging to the league to try to pad his resume. It's working in reverse 🤣🤣
In 2019 both LeBron and Rondo got injured. Before their injuries they were 5th in the playoff standings.
The playoffs in the Bubble > the WEAK ASF competition Kobe went through in 09 and 2010 playoffs. In 2021 LeBron did what Kobe did in 05 which was miss the playoffs.
In 2022 did you forget the amount of games AD missed due to injury?
Last year he got swept by the team that won it all just like Kobe did against the Mavs n this year he lost in 5. Btw the majority of what u mentioned LeBron was no longer in his prime 😂
@@stonecold316339weak asf competition that dog walked lebrons 60 plus win teams in 09 n 2010
😂😂😂😂 Where did you see this list? because mostly lebron is the second
@@skap_attackdebate ou vai fugir?
This was an insightful video. ❤❤❤❤
Yo this is possibly the greatest, most objective breakdown I’ve ever seen on this subject. Kudos bro. I wish there was a way you could get your content featured on networks like ESPN and Fox sports to dispel guys like Nick WRONG and Shannon Sharpe
Joker is Hakeem-ing it out there, just like Hakeem he will only get help when its too late and everyone is old.
Hopefully not. BUT, I think you're right. And I can see him ending with only 1 or 2 rings as a result. But despite only two titles for Hakeem, I have him in my top 10.
@@skap_attacksame with me. I hadn’t met anyone else yet who had the dream in his top 10 👍🏽
This video comes off as kind of a response video to Sports & Fitness Rants and others who criticized your take from your last video but, i believe you criticize everyone in the same manner, with facts and no emotions. Everything you pointed out in your last video was true and that's Denver's role players or the "others" didn't step up. Every star player who has won a championship, had another superstar and role players who stepped up. Denver does not have that, they are basically like the 1994 Houston Rockets. Thanks for the video
You've taken some heat lately from the haters, but this post lays everything out. Jokic is THAT good. Top notch work.
Jokic had a monster game 7. Aside from Murray, Joker had no help. It is going to be hard to win if the rest of team does nothing, even at home.
Yet they were up 20 in the 3rd quarter. Had jokic shot 40% of those lone 3s it would have been enough. Then amav series would hace been a relative easy trip to the finals. A shame since they looked competent against boston in regular season.
@@Refreshment01 I wanted to see Luka v Jokic in the West Finals.
Jokic is not done. Faaaar from. Anyone saying Jokic choked is blind or extremely and irrationally biased.
Really good analysis here
No such thing as a perfect resume...except for 1?
Bill Russell has entered the chat...
Joker is still the man, my opinion. 😮😮 1:16
1:39 How can such a “great” player like a LeBron James lose so many of his GREATEST games:
How could LeBron James LOSE THE GAME where he scored the 40,000 points AND LOSE THE GAME where he surpassed Kareem Abdul-Jabar and LOSE THE GAME where LeBron James passed Kobe Bryant and LOSE THE GAME where LeBron James passed Michael Jordan and LOSE THE GAME where LeBron James scored 35,000 and LOSE THE GAME where LeBron James scored 30,000??
How can you dedicate this 2023-2024 NBA season to your recovering son and LOSE THE FIRST GAME OF THE SEASON, and LOSE THE GAME on your birthday and LOSE THE GAME on the Kobe Bryant Statue Unveiling Day, and now LOSE THE GAME in which you scored 40,000 LONGEVITY points???? I actually feel sorry for LeBron James. 🤦♂️
all those loses on record breaking days ... the universe is funny 😂🤣
''sorry'' my ass if your writing 5 paragraph comment criticizing LeBron's achievements 😂😂
You are obsessed with the man
He lose the greatest games cuz he needs more great players to win.
Don’t be sorry cuz his name is LoseBron for a reason.
Much respect to you for being objective on this assessment of Jokic. He is one of the all time greats but this game seven lost will leave a stain for a while. I believe he will bounce back next year but he needs a better side kick.
You got deep into your stats bag on this one. Love when you do that. I like the comedy stuff too but the organized numbers just elevate the level of “what u gotta say now”!?
Switch Denver bench for lakers bench and they can contend.
Jokic just needs more help
and im afraid he's never going to get any and be forgotten
That Booth guy is killing them, Bruce Brown was nice pick up, CB was ok when they needed defense, but he did nothing for this season, guy should be replaced honestly.
Great video
Still love Jokic!!!
Me too.
Tim Duncan lowkey top 5
Highkey*
@@eghck.push_ Highest key!
Highest Key!
I'll give you Duncan if you give me Hakeem.
Duncan is so underrated. Definitely top 10 all time
Very legit argument/video & another example of why I stopped watching legacy media NBA analysis years ago. Salute to Skap Attack.
By 1/4 I got very surprised. I thought you were just a hater but you content is very good. Keep it coming
Jokic played good against Timberwolves. It's not his fault that he plays with bums. This shows how much he carried Nuggets last year.
That is all I'm saying. I'm getting eaten alive for my stance on him. I don't think its ok to blow 20 point leads in game 7s. I think there should be some negative ramifications for him. BUT, he has SUBSTANTIALLY overachieved in LITERALLY every way throughout his entire career.
Denver rely on him to do everything. That is not a problem unless they face the best defense in the league and rest of the supporting cast can't do anything. Lets be real that game 7 could go either way, supporting cast decided the winner.
Stop calling them bums. Thats not true.
Deja vu huh
It's shows how tribalism is more important to NBA fans. The guy has been the best player in the world for 5 years with not much help. Kobe had some spectacular failures like 2004. And lebron lost 3 years in a row when his team was favored. Jokic has done it once.
The nuggets shouldn't have even been favored in that series lol. EVERY NBA PLAYER has failed. Had bad moments. But the level of expectation on him right now is unfair.
Well reasoned and supported.