LoL.. I took the Commander role at level 16, only because nobody else would. As it turned out, all the other Leaders were very helpful in talking me through what they needed me to do, and we ended up with a W. Was a really positive experience and I learned quite a lot in that one round
Yeah I'm pretty much a really high level in Commander also because nobody wanted commando. Pretty damn good you'll see me around PS5 just like the name in his just like the name and game OG Capo
@@johnhines229 hehe I'm now level 116 plus and I tend NOT to want to command because people think they can abuse you when things don't go the way they want. Unfortunate that the early positive experiences have been tarnished by a lot of loud mouthed complainers who 90% of the time have completely misunderstood the situation. Often they have done nothing to help the commander but feel they have the right to blame him for their poor play.
I think the game needs an offline range and tutorial/s. Something to let people practice shooting, practicing the vehicles, understanding why we need to build nodes and why setting up a Garry in the strongpoint is not a good idea.
One thing about level locks on SL roles. I think, at a minimum there should be a pop up or something warning the player not to choose this role unless they have a working mic.
At least for Infantry squads, there is no cost. You can simply leave the squad if you don't like the squad leader, or he isn't communicating. Generally the same for Armour squads.
I'm only in favor of weapon malfunctions on machine guns. IRL you can't just hold the trigger down on one of these weapon systems without seriously damaging the barrel and rendering it combat ineffective. Red orchestra and Rising Storm 2 implemented this pretty well in their games.
One off the wall idea I’ve had (for a different game than HLL, something slower with longer ranges like PS) is to implement a timing based system like gears of war. The difference being that instead of being rewarding for hitting a very hard timer, the timer is very easy, but the furthest miss it by the worse the outcome. Miss a little and the reload takes longer. Miss a lot and your drop the mag, introducing dirt to the weapon and creating the chance of a jam in the mag. Tbf, that’s less about the idea of jams itself and more about making reloading in a tense firefights stressful, requiring your actual focus, even if you are in cover while still giving the player total control and being easy enough to largely avoid. Imagine getting pushed hard and needing to reload the MG, you’re stressed so you miss the timer, and but you don’t have time to redo the load to prevent a possible jam, so you are now fighting with the fear in the back of your head that it MAY jam this belt. But after that belt is done or you win the fight you can just load normally to prevent that possibility.
I actually really like being able to move people around. Being able to get someone out of more immediate danger and heal them is more immersive and adds a little investment in downed team mates.
The thing is, Hell Let Loose is simply not that kind of game; if the devs put more of an insentive of downed players staying downed instead of waiting the 5 minute maximum to getting revived than we can think of putting in that mechanic. Hell Let Loose is simply to fast paced a game to justify putting it in.
@@riserevelation8471i don’t think it would affect the gameplay as much as you are suggesting. would be a cool mechanic but could live without it as well.
@@riserevelation8471There already is an incentive to waiting to be revived. It means less time having to spend waiting and moving until you engage again. Having a medic or a rifleman assisting a medic get your body to cover so that they can be revived without getting you killed would be great. While it wouldn't be as crucial in Squad, where reviving can take significantly longer, it would help medics not have to worry about reviving out of cover and such.
@@AstinCrow Squad also works on a ticket-based system like battlefield. HLL is simply capture/defend the point. The spawn time is the only consequence; in squad someone giving up means one less ticket.
I agree with your list. I would like to see a simple tutorial for new players before they enter a battle, as to avoid level 1 confusion. Simple run through of each role would help new players a lot I think.
@@huntermckee2279 These aren’t really what’s being requested though. Props to all those communities that do it. What people are requesting is a server/servers where they can go in by themselves and learn about the game’s mechanics without the normal limitations of the game. Without interference by other players. So for instance in order to learn about building with the engineer role I first have to have somebody form a squad to even open up the engineer role. They want to have access to all loadouts/weapons without having to first unlock them in the normal game. Someplace provided by the game itself rather than a community one has to interact with.
@@huntermckee2279 those are mainly for units that do this stuff competively, what is being described here is more so like an official HLL server that runs you through pretty much a BMQ to allow you to understand how to play the game.
I think the biggest problem normal people have with this game is that it requires creative thinking, communication, and learning. Who would've thunk it.
I agree with you I’m level 20. I noticed nobody plays commander so I started taking the role and man it’s so fun. To be quite honest I’ve won quite a few matches already on my command this game is such a blast !
A lot of CO’s started taking the role at an early stage simply because no one else would take it. It’s a perfect example of why level locks would be a bad idea.
I know this is an old video now, but I only started playing commander when I was really drunk one night and couldn't really aim too well 👌 I wasn't too drunk to coordinate things though and it was fun as hell.
I played a game with a level 14 commander, the kid was also all of 8 years old. We ended up winning the match. And at the end of the day, it's just a game
About queue times, I live in the Western US, and my internet connection can be spotty because of the mountains nearby, so I need to connect to other US West/US Central servers to play effectively; problem is, there’s only a few dedicated HLL servers for US west. And if I have to play on East, im at a significant disadvantage. Moving is out of the question, I don’t have that facilities for that big man, so my options are limited. I don’t think a lot of people consider how many people live in the Western US that are gamers, California and Arizona are pretty big urban populations. Even Boise Idaho is large.
The only Squad locking type thing I'd like to see is a locked officer slot for infantry. So you could have 5/6 of random Inf rolls but that 6th slot MUST be an SL. This stops those full squads with no squad lead by making sure a slot is always open for someone to come in and take it.
When you look down the top of a mag, you can see kinda how many you have left, the weight is also an indicator. So numerical values arent realistic but "about half" is more realistic readout
My first role ever in HLL was officer. I had 300+ hours in Rising Storm/Red Orchestra 2 and 500+ hours in Rising Storm 2 Vietnam. I knew what I was doing, and I kicked ass as an officer in that game.
They need to add a way to entice people to play Officer and Commander once they are maxed out. Those were the first two I got to level 10 and I'm trying to level my other roles. If they added some type of additional XP for leadership roles towards your overall level then that'd help. Alternatively if you play a leadership position they could add "bonus/rest XP" towards a role of your choosing so next time you play that role you'll earn that additonal XP at the end of the match. They could possibly add a section in main menu for your bonus XP role (which may be changed). You then play SL for 1.5 hrs and select rifleman as bonus XP in menu. Then when you play the next match as rifleman you'll earn the bonus XP as a % at the end of the game. No leadership roles should be able to be selected for bonus XP though. There may be a better way to do this but I just think this needs addressing.
I agree I've been SL and not gotten recommendations because maybe players forget, it happens 50% of the time. SL just seems like a chore to do, then it's worse when your teammates bash you because your not general Patton tactical genius on the battlefield
Maybe if more veteran players played squad lead, these low level players won't be making squads just to play the game. Seems like every game we have like 5 seconds left of warm up with 3 full squads, and as soon as I create an infantry squad it gets filled instantly. We might need more incentive to fill the squad leader rolls, or the community is going to have to step it up
Totally agree about the squad leader level locking. At this point HLL has a problem about players not willing to step in to start squads. They are hanging there as observers waiting for someone to do it so they can join the game and play a different class. This often happens when there are already full or locked squads in the game. Then someone starts a squad and straight away makes it clear that they only did it to have a squad to play in.
If you own a server, you can set the size of the cue. Default is 6. In reference to locking vehicles, which isn't a good idea, but the Commander should be able to lock Artillery. Too many players do not look at the munitions amount, and don't realize they are using up the Team/Commander's resources. Symmetric Balance could be remedied if the devs brought back the 1 minute cool down on capping the next objective. In update 9, one player could build all nodes, which was great for longevity of the match.
I agree wholeheartedly with the level lock points. I'll always take a level 8 officer who wants to learn, asks questions, and communicates constantly, over a level 187 officer who doesn't talk or drop map indicators for callouts. And a mechanic like this will just further lock the more experienced players into always playing officer. I like playing officer, but doing it multiple matches in a row is exhausting. I don't wanna feel like I have to do it more than I already do. I also agree with the specialized squads point, but I would like to be able to label the type of squad I'm leading more clearly. My inability to change "Offensive" to "Defensive" on the fly almost makes the icons meaningless. I might be playing an offensive role, but when I capture the next point, I'll need to stay on defense for some time while the rest of the team catches up. Right now I can't consistently indicate to players browsing squad selection what my squad is doing, at least, not until I die and can change the icon. I'd also like them to be more than just a little icon that most new players will probably look over, text would probably be more useful.
As a commander main (who plays since lvl 10) what I want is powered markers, aka, if I place an attack/move marker and a team follows through with it then they get a power up, eg. less fire suppression, faster mobility, etc... if I point infantry and it's killed then they get extra points, IDK something so that people actually follow through commander instructions and they stop leaving the point alone despite you almost begging them to stop attacking and defend.
Hmmm...that's an interesting idea. I'm a bit of a purist myself and don't think players should need extra buffs to complete objectives, but with the way the community has been playing lately who knows...
Definitely agree with your point on level locking officers. With less officers available, if the higher levels were offline we would have WAY less squads available and it would decrease the player count
I kinda see body dragging if other people can do it, we need something to solve the issue of medics constantly having to run into the middle of active fire to heal people, a body dragging isn’t a complete solution to that, but it’s something in that direction.
Yeah. What I see most of the time is people saying they want just the medic to be able to drag. If everyone can drag then I’m all for it. Problem would still be so many people giving up as there are only situational benefits for waiting to be revived. But that’s a whole nother can of worms. Haha! But yeah…if we all could drag then it would be on the list of things I do want.
@@adamwhite3347 it’s just, the only time I’ve ever had a good run playing medic it’s guarding a defensive area, trying to heal while pushing is foolish, but hey I guess I could always play the medic subclass that goes all in with the smoke grenades.
Yeah locking officer to a level is a bad idea. I'm willing to bet half of the people requesting that never even offer to be an officer. So many people wait to pile into a squad and never even try it. When I'm officer playing with friends I have to lock the squad immediately so that friends can join. Then I unlock it.
It just isn’t going to have the effect that people think it will. It’s not like high level players are saying “aww shoot. I was going to play SL but someone else took it first” hahaha
The only one I disagree with you on is the queue size. I want a bigger queue. Just for purely selfish reasons. I have a few servers I usually go on because of familiar faces and I want to get onto those servers. Repeatedly clicking to try and get on the queue is a bit of a pain in the arse. I'd rather wait 30 minutes in a queue quietly reading a book than spend 30 minutes clicking the screen in hopes of just getting into the queue. I'm not going to go on another server outside of the ones I have favourited regardless of whether the queue is full or not. In many cases depending on my mood, if I cannot get into those servers then I'd rather just not play the game. So I just want it easier for me to get into the server I want. I like the community, the rules and the admins of that particular server. Every time I play that server I have a great experience and that doesn't apply to other servers. And it just so happens that the ping of that server is very low whereas not every server is. So hopefully you can understand why I'd want this feature. I don't see why this would be a problem either because there are clearly many people like me who repeatedly click the connect button in an attempt to get onto a queue. They're already waiting now. A longer queue is not going to change that, it'll only make it more fair so that it's first come first serve. In fact a larger queue system might actually discourage some people from waiting. Right now we're all repeatedly clicking and hoping to get in a queue behind 6 people. We're all fighting for that chance. But with a longer queue system, we'd clearly be able to see "Hey, there's 12 people ahead of you waiting. You're gonna be here for a pretty damn long time" and that's bound to discourage many people from trying to join that server.
I think body dragging would be for when there’s not a medic around but the dead player is able to be put in a safer spot for a revive. I think that there could be better time spent on other things though.
I think that would be ideal, but for some reason the requests always seem to be limited to the medic role in an attempt to give them unique mechanics to help set them apart.
A "semi balance" feature for magazines would be discard entirely a magazine when you reload a semi-automatic//automatic weapon, this way you would want to think twice before reloading after shooting one or two bullets and could give Kar98 soldiers a relief (because I have seen people leaving the game because their first battles were with German Level 1 roles), not to mention that ammo boxes would be seen more frecuently while playing, as only a little portion of players want to do any kind of support.
I think a choice between a tactical reload, which dumps a (somewhat depleted) mag for a quicker reload, and a regular reload, which stashes mags (for later use) would be a good feature - like in ‘Insurgency: Sandstorm’.
I make sure that before I join a server that there are rules against being in leadership with no mic... I can say that 90% of the time the squad leads/commanders are good because of it
I agree with most of these. The two I have differences on both relate to experience with Planetside 2. PS2 has map drawing, and it gets minimum use or abused. A nice substitute for this is to allow for basic directional arrows. This limits abuse while allowing players to look at map & perceive the strategy, all without requiring squad micromanagement. The 2nd is the vehicle assignment. Since the topic is already afoot with players allowed to drive vehicle, it will be amplified with the MG addition. This happens with the PS2 Sunderer, which is a larger version of the HLL halftrack. Since the Sunderer placement is vital for effectiveness, even random players innocently firing the vehicle turrets regularly give away its position, causing more harm than good. So even with greater limits to player access, PS2 still implemented locking options for something we in HLL have not yet experienced.
I agree on all of it. Most of those sounded like players who were mad about something happening in a match they played, and decided this is a good idea. Hell let loose is good the way it is. Hopefully they fix the bugs. I have hope in what I'm seeing on the road map. Cheers! And I'll see y'all at the front!
I agree with almost all of them except the body dragging mechanic. I find myself in situations as a medic where player's bodies are exposed to enemy fire. And even with smoke, narrow passageways like in towns, or open fields, the opposing players just shoots into the smoke anyway, or just throw a grenade. And they have succeeded alot. This mechanic would make my job as a medic a little easier and can get more downed players out of danger and into the fight. I do see your point that medic's job is quick and can revive players quickly, but even still, I think this mechanic can benefit the game.
The half track and supply trucks being locked sounds good at face value until you realize you might have someone dedicated to supply lines in supply trucks or a player dedicated in your squad to drive a half track. Having your squad lead only drive these vehicles would then distract your officer from doing his main job
This game SERIOUSLY needs a mechanic where you can either snap to a cover, so you can easily shoot around it. Or, have many degrees of tilt and crouch. Like how escape from tarkov has. I've been in so many situations where I wanna peak, but my options are, half my body is out, or I can't see. Really annoying. Imo, there should be a snap to cover and degrees of tilt options. In warzone, there is a snap to cover button, and I really enjoy using it. It's not always great, sometimes there is a pipe in the way or some such thing. But like 80% I find value in it. For those of you wondering how it works. You simply hold your crouch button or tilt button, and then scroll your mouse wheel and it let's you adjust. Very intuitive and let's you make real tight peaks.
Here is what I wish HLL did have 1. In warfare, no squad besides recon can move 1 sector behind the current point, 2. No one can cap past the midpoint until 30 minutes have passed in the match, 3. In offensive, defense has time 5 minutes to setup on the first point, the attacking squad gets 45 minutes to attack the first point, then 30 for the following points, have only 3 cap points instead of 5. 4. I would to be able to Re supply from ammo boxes more than once 5. This is my most important one- Remove squad and Command chat, Proximity chat only and we have to have a radio man nearby for Command chat.
Half track is a heavy armored vehicle. It is absolutely a tank. It may not have the cannon, but it’s still an armored assault vehicle with tracks. I’d consider it a heavy that requires a tank crew to operate. It would require tank like operations to be effective, especially the driving aspect.
I agree if it’s something everyone can do. Most of the requests I see are for the medic only as to help keep their role unique in that regard. I would not like that in HLL. If we all could drag then I’d be all for it. Thanks for watching!
I disagree with the map marker point. While i dont want any dck art, squad for example has helpful presets for thing like moving direction, flank angles etc. Also, i think a commander should be able to assign icons and markers per squad so its not a constant back and forth . Command chat is way too loud and full already, it would be so much better if there is non verbal communication via the map
I can see where you are coming from. For me part of the purpose and fun comes from that command chat though. I don’t want to see HLL implementing more systems that make it easier to not have to communicate. But I respect your POV. Thanks for watching and for the comments!
I agree with everything except body dragging. I feel like body dragging would add some pretty cool/dynamic moments to the average game. But I understand the counter points to body dragging aswell
What about Squad Lead not as a class? You can choose any class and add the SL watch to it. It would open up the number of people willing to do it so you can still level up your assault or AT class
I started SL at level 20 but had watched months of videos, I did my first command role at level 30 and got the basics ok but map knowledge is more useful here
I disagree with the specialized squad part simply because coordination is very rare and difficult to achieve. So many people leave when I announce “somebody go engineer.” By having a specialized engineer squad it’s much more easier to coordinate with other engineers and the commander with squad chat to get nodes down and fortify and ferry supplies. But I only think a engi unit should exist.
I don't entirely agree re specialized squads. Having a dedicated engineer squad for Offensive matches would be a big help when trying to coordinate defenses. Yes, you can do something similar through local chat, but it just makes herding the cats even more challenging. While the current system is flexible, it's also open to abuse. E.g. there are limits on the number of tank squads, but not so for AT guns, meaning that you theoretically could have 50 AT guns on a match at once (the worst I've seen is ~10 at one time). Given the fact that they can be rebuilt almost instantaneously, it has the potential to be hugely overpowered. The only limiting factor is a team's failure to cooperate, which doesn't seem like the best safeguard.
Yeah I can see your point of view here. Like I’ve seen some of the competitive teams use this system to really spam AT roles. I’m still not sold on your take but I can see where you’re coming from. Thanks!
Specialized squads or atleast an engineer squad would be good because engineers are essentially wasting space in normal squads, Im not contributing to the squad at all for half an hour while building defences and nodes. Usually if i want to be building defences il just do a squad bait and rejoin as an engineer hoping everyone will leave the squad
The reason people rather sit in a queue is because more often then not those servers properly manage their rules and have active admins. I don’t have to deal with some kid tk’ing me over and over or have someone who’s blatantly cheating (whether that be ghosting or hacking) and have admins do nothing. Sure you can make the argument “then just pay for vip” but not everyone is so comfortable wasting money on a subscription to a server. Then there’s also the consideration of how many people are trying to join friends. Only point I disagree with lol, great vid!
Yeah I like it in Tarkov. Tarkov doesn’t give you a specific number and your magazines don’t automatically fill up after each reload. Typically when this is requested for HLL people say they want to know specifically how many rounds are left. I think it would just be silly because you can reload just as fast as a mag check in HLL and it’s always a full mag (unless it’s your last mag)
Lvl 30. Just yesterday I joined a squad with no SL just as they were complaining that someone created thw squad and left. I decided to become SL since that server will kick you If you got none. Ended up going the full game as SL and while the commander could have been a lot better (many times there was almsot no one using command chat and he wss unresponsive) I just had a great time. I had 2 guys helping me do stuff and with comms qhile the rest didnt talk much but obeyed orders. We were the only ones defending half of the match and we just had a great time and eventually won. I am pretty sure most of the deffense garris were mine. The levels are not the problem
I like you, Gabby. I like the cut of your jib, and think you are a sensible player I'd assign as my academy comandante back when I facilitated [CoFR]Crusty old Fossil Rockers. This game is ideal for private community gaming, and horrendously frustrating as a pub format game. What this game needs it lacks is server flexibility, with lots of server option variable to curtail the experience. That said, they need to make a buck and will continue to dumb it down to attract sales.
No to level locks on officer, for sure. We always need more of those, and they can learn from better players in their squad. Commander could probably use it, though, it has a much more harmful affect on everyone, and it's not required for seeding... If you don't like you SL, start a new squad. If your commander is throwing the game away, you'll probably have to either play through it and have your time wasted, or switch servers. I do wish half tracks would be limited to squad leaders and commanders only, though.
WWII games that allow everyone to have an stg44 usually end up with just every single dirty sweatlord rocking one. Ruins both the fun and the realism. And yeah, made me think of H&G before you mentioned it. And I played before you could unlock a captured weapon as your own loadout. Introduction of that feature was one of the things that made me move away from the game. I think maybe it would be nice if there was some separate "tank gamemode", maybe just as an experiment, in which the driving and gunnery is all controlled by one player at once, like in WarThunder, H&G, Enlisted and such.
I agree with everything but specialized squads. I'd really love to have multiple supports/engineers/designated driver in a supply unit. Especially given the limitations game places on certain roles (1 node per engineer for isntance)
I think if they introduced specialized squads then they would have to restrict the composition of other squads and I don’t want that in HLL. I like it in PS, but I also like how HLL is different in that regard. Having said that I can respect your opinion and understand where you’re coming from. Thanks for sharing!
For specialized squads it's pretty easy to just make your own specialized unit if your communication on your team is good. One game we made an anti tank squad by having myself and another squads at, a machine gunner and our assault with some rifleman stuck in to destroy any tank that tried to attack the point.
If we can't lock vehicles to certain squads, we need a way to kick people from the server. Tank griefing on consol is becoming a problem. Can't damage friendly armor, or stop them from constantly driving into your tank.
With the dragging, I think you’re not considering people getting while peaking with their body then falling outside of cover. A quick drag can prevent them from being shot on revive.
Yeah I understand that it would be nice. It’s just that when people request it it’s usually requested for the medic role only and with the way that already works, the lack of tickets, and the full ammo loadout on respawn it’s just not worth the effort at the moment. If some of those other systems were changed a bit then I’d think it was totally worth the effort.
With the armor point I think they should not allow you to lock it with one person in the armor squad because if you are one manning with an open squad at least you are trying to get people in
maybe just a lock on the commander role, at least maybe lvl 50 or 100 for commander.... as for queues, I play at night when most low ping servers are empty, i'll wait in a queue rather than join and empty or high ping server.
I agree roles shouldnt be locked because its hard enough to find people to fill those roles as is. However, being commander without ever learning the other roles is a stupid thing to support.
I main the machine gunner or anti tank, I dabbled in other classes but I always been terrified of taking on a leader role because I’m too terrified of getting yelled at for being a starter.
Anyone who would yell at someone for taking a role they themselves were unwilling to take instead of being helpful has no real understanding of leadership in the first place and you should feel free to kick and ignore them. Don’t let people like that dictate how you have fun. Hope to see you out there!
Awesome content my friend. Enjoyable and nice stuff to watch. HLL is my favourite fps of all times from far. Keep that channel shining and see you on your next post, bell is activated here. Have a nice day
Body dragon only works if you got smoked down and you got people shooting at the enemy suppressing them.. can work and actually gets you out of fire range
If they did add weapon pickups you should only be able to use what rounds it has left and be unable to reload it I’ve ran out of ammo a few times and I’m staring at dead bodies and thinking man I wish I could just use their gun for a second while I try to get ammo for my gun in reality it’s probably best to leave it as it is but if they added that feature that’s as far as it should go no reloading or anything just shoot what it has left in it for emergencies
Something I don't want to see that I've seen people asking for is the ability for infantry to shoot while riding in transport trucks. I get that it was possible but it just feels too arcadey for this type of game.
Put accuracy modifier on guns when in vehicles like -150% or something like that, Irl you may get lucky with one or two shots but that’s it, I’d say it would make people “feel” like they can shoot back, even if it may be just a waste of ammo
I like how when you bought up picking up enemy guns you talked about hero's and generals. My brain went straight to red orchestra with MG42's and PPSH's littering the map
re: the level locks for Squadleader... I've never really seen levelnumbers as indicative of ability if I'm honest. Someone could be level 1 and have tonnes of experience with playing a squad lead on say Post Scriptum, only to be barred from the role on HLL because they haven't put in a prerequisite number of hours. I feel that would pretty quickly sink the game itself, and just attract rather unwelcome elements to the playerbase. If you have a good server, it doesn't matter what level you are, as you get help from the more experienced players anyway. Personally I hate playing squadlead. I prefer to play supporting roles and let someone else direct the whole show. :P
Fun fact! The Kickstarter campaign had this very mechanic featured: www.kickstarter.com/projects/blackmatter/hell-let-loose?ref=nav_search&result=project&term=Hell%20let%20loose
Sure…depending on the other mechanics involved. Makes perfect sense in Squad where it takes a long time to revive, there is also a ticket system, and ammo isn’t replenished with a respawn. With HLL it takes maybe 5 seconds to revive and heal which can all be done prone. To drag you’d have to be crouching at the very least and you’re movement speed would be impacted. It would literally take longer to drag them to cover all while being more exposed. It just isn’t a great mechanic for HLL with the way that the game is currently designed.
Body dragging isn't a competetive feature, its an immersion feature... Dosen't do it any justice to judge it from a perspective of effectiveness. The rest of the points i completely agree with however.
I would argue that it is a competitive feature. I juxtapose HLL and Squad in the video specifically because Squad has a ticket system. Those tickets deplete every time a soldier dies and running out of tickets means you lose the match. Often times games that have tickets like this can come down to whichever team has the better medics. Reviving also takes a little longer in Squad. There is no ticket system in HLL. You lose manpower but that isn’t a victory condition like in Squad so fleshing out these features make sense in Squad more so than in HLL. In HLL it would almost entirely be an immersion feature as waiting that long to be dragged and revived actually would keep players out of the fight longer with no real benefit in most cases. I wish HLL had a more fleshed out system where deaths had more of an impact and there were more negative consequences for deaths. Also I’m mostly responding to people who request that the medic role be the only role that can drag bodies in an attempt to keep the role unique. I would welcome the change as long as all players could drag bodies even though it would have little benefit without larger meta changes. Thanks for your comment and thanks for watching!
I do want the max engineer count to be set to 2 per squad whilst, and only if, the satchel is removed or replaced by a "wire cutter" or something that functions as a deconstruction tool (also for enemy mines). I think it is weird that to reinforce a point you need like 4 engineers from 4 different squads who can't communicate directly with eachother unless in proximity. In a squad with higher level players - there are too many Satchels going around already though. Alternatively/additionally I would like SL loadout to be more versatile, i.e. the SL can have a less agressive loadout with an ammo box or a engineer tool. Pro's for this would be: More people willing to play SL, SL not being played like an assault class (and dieing all the time), a fix for the disconnect between who plays SL (cooperative, tactics and logistics oriented players) vs its point-man loadout (pure aggression, lots of ammo and grenades). A con might be that the SL becomes a one-man army(knife) that doesn't have to rely on his squad enough to encourage cooparation - so not extreme versatility. I am not thinking from a "ww2 perspective" but pure gameplay enjoyment.
When it comes to level locking the only position I would restrict if I had the power would be the Commander role... I believe the to play Commander you should atleast be level 6 Officer, if you don't know how to command a squad build garri's ect you shouldn't be commanding the whole team.. it can destroy games.
Totally agree with everything you’ve said, I play on console so 1 or 2 items don’t effect me, having said that in my opinion all the items mentioned would cause more trouble than they’re worth. The game is great yeah we have rubber banding on console but the new server roll out will solve that, leave the game alone it’s pretty good as is.
I don't agree with adding mag checks to HLL, but saying it's simply "looking at the top of the mag and magically knowing how many rounds are left," is a bit inaccurate. Many magazines have small holes on the back with tiny numbers engraved by them that can show at a glance how many rounds are left inside. This is actually what is being represented in games that have this feature. The reason this wouldn't work in HLL is that many of the weapons just aren't mag fed, so this wouldn't make sense for a large portion of the arsenal.
Yes many magazines do have holes so you can see where the rounds are. Perhaps a game exists out there where your player actually looks at those holes, but I have not seen that in a game. Furthermore my list is a response to what people ask for in the different platforms. What I see requested is something like “we should be able to pull out our magazine and know how many rounds are left.” Not “about how many rounds are left” or “estimate how many are left” which to me indicates that they aren’t interested in a mechanic like Tarkov or Squad where you get a rough idea within a couple of rounds. I even showed Tarkov to highlight that the player does not look at the back or sides of the mag, but the top and because that’s the case we only get a rough estimate. Additionally, not all the weapons in HLL have box magazines, but they all have a magazine. Even the bolt action rifles have internal magazines that IRL can be checked. You just hold the rounds in while opening the action. Same with the Garand. You are able to open the action while holding the clip in and check rounds. I think the reason it doesn’t make sense is because ammo isn’t calculated per mag and is instead calculated as a total sum. Since checking a mag and changing a mag take the same amount of time then it doesn’t make sense to have it. If mags were calculated individually and ammo was persistent then I would change my view on this and want mag checks of some kind.
@@GebatronGaming you're right, visually many games poorly represent that. I wouldn't argue that. Mechanically it functions the same though. (I wasn't watching most of the video, i had it on in the background, but having played Insurgency and Ready or Not, i know what you're talking about, they use a similar system) Again, im not disagreeing with you, i'm ok with the auto-combining they have right now, but if they were to add a check system i think the assumption would be that they would change it. Btw, something i haven't heard enough mention of: How would you feel about the option of choosing which control points are active rather than having them randomized every game? (I have an in depth way to implement it in mind, but i won't go into all that right now)
If people are so intent on having a "realistic" experience. Lets just change the entire game to a Hazard Risk Assessment and Minute writing session where before you can launch your attack, and only after you're sent through a resupply request in triplicate to the supply dept for ammunition, water and food
Gebatron gaming i got a tip for you to put in one of your tips videos, i found out from a streamer terrydacttyl gaming When youre about to push on an enemy thats just around a corner whos aware youre there already and you have a machine gun or smg or plenty of bullets fire into the floor between you amd the enemy player as you push the corner to kill them and this will keep that player suppressed. Making it harder for him to aim at you. I tried it a few times and i have to say it APPEARS to work. Ive not lost a one on one knife fight on a corner yet. As long as you dont accidently fire off yoyr ammo so that by the time you have them in your sights you are empty!!! 😆 Yeah i did that today lol I actually managed to run away as he fired at me (i think the suppression actually helped with this moment maybe!?!) anyway so i saved it , it was quite funny, as i screamed, ran and reloaded i managed to turn and nail them!! Sweeeet 😀😀
With a high queue size and a low queue size, I can still hardly ever get into a server on either Squad/Post Scriptum or HLL. And when I do, I get into a terrible server every time.
Well, they added bolt action rifle malfunction (as if it wasn't slow enough) and now sometimes when you press LMB the bullet doesn't go out. Very frustrating indeed
I use queues because the ping on servers outside of my region have terrible pings. So I can't enjoy the game unless its a west server regularly there's only one server that has people in it in my region.
LoL.. I took the Commander role at level 16, only because nobody else would. As it turned out, all the other Leaders were very helpful in talking me through what they needed me to do, and we ended up with a W. Was a really positive experience and I learned quite a lot in that one round
Your experience getting into the CO role is fairly common. A perfect example of why level locks wouldn’t be a great idea. Thanks!
Yeah I'm pretty much a really high level in Commander also because nobody wanted commando. Pretty damn good you'll see me around PS5 just like the name in his just like the name and game OG Capo
Ive had the same experience before
I just did this literally the last time I hopped into hell let loose
@@johnhines229 hehe I'm now level 116 plus and I tend NOT to want to command because people think they can abuse you when things don't go the way they want. Unfortunate that the early positive experiences have been tarnished by a lot of loud mouthed complainers who 90% of the time have completely misunderstood the situation. Often they have done nothing to help the commander but feel they have the right to blame him for their poor play.
I think the game needs an offline range and tutorial/s. Something to let people practice shooting, practicing the vehicles, understanding why we need to build nodes and why setting up a Garry in the strongpoint is not a good idea.
One thing about level locks on SL roles.
I think, at a minimum there should be a pop up or something warning the player not to choose this role unless they have a working mic.
A pop up alerting players to the impact the role has and that a mic is recommended would be a nice touch. Thanks!
lol they dont care
At least for Infantry squads, there is no cost. You can simply leave the squad if you don't like the squad leader, or he isn't communicating. Generally the same for Armour squads.
I'm only in favor of weapon malfunctions on machine guns.
IRL you can't just hold the trigger down on one of these weapon systems without seriously damaging the barrel and rendering it combat ineffective.
Red orchestra and Rising Storm 2 implemented this pretty well in their games.
I agree with barrel overheating but not malfunctions proper. We are on the same page.
One off the wall idea I’ve had (for a different game than HLL, something slower with longer ranges like PS) is to implement a timing based system like gears of war. The difference being that instead of being rewarding for hitting a very hard timer, the timer is very easy, but the furthest miss it by the worse the outcome. Miss a little and the reload takes longer. Miss a lot and your drop the mag, introducing dirt to the weapon and creating the chance of a jam in the mag. Tbf, that’s less about the idea of jams itself and more about making reloading in a tense firefights stressful, requiring your actual focus, even if you are in cover while still giving the player total control and being easy enough to largely avoid. Imagine getting pushed hard and needing to reload the MG, you’re stressed so you miss the timer, and but you don’t have time to redo the load to prevent a possible jam, so you are now fighting with the fear in the back of your head that it MAY jam this belt. But after that belt is done or you win the fight you can just load normally to prevent that possibility.
Add in barrel change to mg42 and maybe belt jam or something for the others
I actually really like being able to move people around. Being able to get someone out of more immediate danger and heal them is more immersive and adds a little investment in downed team mates.
The thing is, Hell Let Loose is simply not that kind of game; if the devs put more of an insentive of downed players staying downed instead of waiting the 5 minute maximum to getting revived than we can think of putting in that mechanic. Hell Let Loose is simply to fast paced a game to justify putting it in.
@@riserevelation8471i don’t think it would affect the gameplay as much as you are suggesting. would be a cool mechanic but could live without it as well.
@@riserevelation8471There already is an incentive to waiting to be revived. It means less time having to spend waiting and moving until you engage again. Having a medic or a rifleman assisting a medic get your body to cover so that they can be revived without getting you killed would be great. While it wouldn't be as crucial in Squad, where reviving can take significantly longer, it would help medics not have to worry about reviving out of cover and such.
@@AstinCrow Squad also works on a ticket-based system like battlefield. HLL is simply capture/defend the point. The spawn time is the only consequence; in squad someone giving up means one less ticket.
@@TeaMMatE11 That's not really relevant to the point. And Squad is also a simple capture defend game.
I agree with your list. I would like to see a simple tutorial for new players before they enter a battle, as to avoid level 1 confusion. Simple run through of each role would help new players a lot I think.
You are definitely not alone in wanting a simple training server. Thanks for watching!
@@GebatronGaming there already are training servers. The community made those A LONG time ago.
@@huntermckee2279 These aren’t really what’s being requested though. Props to all those communities that do it. What people are requesting is a server/servers where they can go in by themselves and learn about the game’s mechanics without the normal limitations of the game. Without interference by other players. So for instance in order to learn about building with the engineer role I first have to have somebody form a squad to even open up the engineer role. They want to have access to all loadouts/weapons without having to first unlock them in the normal game. Someplace provided by the game itself rather than a community one has to interact with.
@@huntermckee2279 those are mainly for units that do this stuff competively, what is being described here is more so like an official HLL server that runs you through pretty much a BMQ to allow you to understand how to play the game.
I think the biggest problem normal people have with this game is that it requires creative thinking, communication, and learning.
Who would've thunk it.
Great advice. I always tell myself that when I have a few seconds of breathing room
Yep😂 something very lacking in most these days. Zombies
I agree with you I’m level 20. I noticed nobody plays commander so I started taking the role and man it’s so fun. To be quite honest I’ve won quite a few matches already on my command this game is such a blast !
A lot of CO’s started taking the role at an early stage simply because no one else would take it. It’s a perfect example of why level locks would be a bad idea.
I know this is an old video now, but I only started playing commander when I was really drunk one night and couldn't really aim too well 👌 I wasn't too drunk to coordinate things though and it was fun as hell.
I played a game with a level 14 commander, the kid was also all of 8 years old.
We ended up winning the match.
And at the end of the day, it's just a game
Agree!
Wow8!!
Some of those kids actually try pretty hard and end up being good because the majority a officer / commander role is communication
oh, man, that match must have been epic hahaha, very nice for everyone helping the team win the game.
About queue times, I live in the Western US, and my internet connection can be spotty because of the mountains nearby, so I need to connect to other US West/US Central servers to play effectively; problem is, there’s only a few dedicated HLL servers for US west. And if I have to play on East, im at a significant disadvantage. Moving is out of the question, I don’t have that facilities for that big man, so my options are limited. I don’t think a lot of people consider how many people live in the Western US that are gamers, California and Arizona are pretty big urban populations. Even Boise Idaho is large.
The only Squad locking type thing I'd like to see is a locked officer slot for infantry. So you could have 5/6 of random Inf rolls but that 6th slot MUST be an SL. This stops those full squads with no squad lead by making sure a slot is always open for someone to come in and take it.
i like this idea
Hmmmmm....not a bad idea.
When you look down the top of a mag, you can see kinda how many you have left, the weight is also an indicator. So numerical values arent realistic but "about half" is more realistic readout
My first role ever in HLL was officer.
I had 300+ hours in Rising Storm/Red Orchestra 2 and 500+ hours in Rising Storm 2 Vietnam.
I knew what I was doing, and I kicked ass as an officer in that game.
Thanks for another example of why level locks could potentially keep good leaders out of the officer roles!
A medic truck would be amazing
They need to add a way to entice people to play Officer and Commander once they are maxed out. Those were the first two I got to level 10 and I'm trying to level my other roles. If they added some type of additional XP for leadership roles towards your overall level then that'd help. Alternatively if you play a leadership position they could add "bonus/rest XP" towards a role of your choosing so next time you play that role you'll earn that additonal XP at the end of the match. They could possibly add a section in main menu for your bonus XP role (which may be changed). You then play SL for 1.5 hrs and select rifleman as bonus XP in menu. Then when you play the next match as rifleman you'll earn the bonus XP as a % at the end of the game. No leadership roles should be able to be selected for bonus XP though.
There may be a better way to do this but I just think this needs addressing.
I absolutely agree! I talk about this in the “what I want” video: th-cam.com/video/UMSJEdVmsus/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for watching and for the comment!
@@GebatronGaming Great minds think alike. I watched your other video and agree with all your "wants" for sure.
I agree I've been SL and not gotten recommendations because maybe players forget, it happens 50% of the time. SL just seems like a chore to do, then it's worse when your teammates bash you because your not general Patton tactical genius on the battlefield
Maybe if more veteran players played squad lead, these low level players won't be making squads just to play the game. Seems like every game we have like 5 seconds left of warm up with 3 full squads, and as soon as I create an infantry squad it gets filled instantly. We might need more incentive to fill the squad leader rolls, or the community is going to have to step it up
Totally agree about the squad leader level locking. At this point HLL has a problem about players not willing to step in to start squads. They are hanging there as observers waiting for someone to do it so they can join the game and play a different class. This often happens when there are already full or locked squads in the game. Then someone starts a squad and straight away makes it clear that they only did it to have a squad to play in.
I hate when people do that it would be better if they made a locked squad because it really screws anyone who joins that leaderless squad
It’s funny how many of the gripes people have are easily solved with communication 😂
Oh my god I know. Haha!
If you own a server, you can set the size of the cue. Default is 6.
In reference to locking vehicles, which isn't a good idea, but the Commander should be able to lock Artillery. Too many players do not look at the munitions amount, and don't realize they are using up the Team/Commander's resources.
Symmetric Balance could be remedied if the devs brought back the 1 minute cool down on capping the next objective.
In update 9, one player could build all nodes, which was great for longevity of the match.
I agree wholeheartedly with the level lock points. I'll always take a level 8 officer who wants to learn, asks questions, and communicates constantly, over a level 187 officer who doesn't talk or drop map indicators for callouts. And a mechanic like this will just further lock the more experienced players into always playing officer. I like playing officer, but doing it multiple matches in a row is exhausting. I don't wanna feel like I have to do it more than I already do.
I also agree with the specialized squads point, but I would like to be able to label the type of squad I'm leading more clearly. My inability to change "Offensive" to "Defensive" on the fly almost makes the icons meaningless. I might be playing an offensive role, but when I capture the next point, I'll need to stay on defense for some time while the rest of the team catches up. Right now I can't consistently indicate to players browsing squad selection what my squad is doing, at least, not until I die and can change the icon. I'd also like them to be more than just a little icon that most new players will probably look over, text would probably be more useful.
As a commander main (who plays since lvl 10) what I want is powered markers, aka, if I place an attack/move marker and a team follows through with it then they get a power up, eg. less fire suppression, faster mobility, etc... if I point infantry and it's killed then they get extra points, IDK something so that people actually follow through commander instructions and they stop leaving the point alone despite you almost begging them to stop attacking and defend.
Hmmm...that's an interesting idea. I'm a bit of a purist myself and don't think players should need extra buffs to complete objectives, but with the way the community has been playing lately who knows...
Definitely agree with your point on level locking officers. With less officers available, if the higher levels were offline we would have WAY less squads available and it would decrease the player count
Fun fact. If you sit in the "Que is full" message it will put you in the que when a slot is available.
I kinda see body dragging if other people can do it, we need something to solve the issue of medics constantly having to run into the middle of active fire to heal people, a body dragging isn’t a complete solution to that, but it’s something in that direction.
Yeah. What I see most of the time is people saying they want just the medic to be able to drag. If everyone can drag then I’m all for it. Problem would still be so many people giving up as there are only situational benefits for waiting to be revived. But that’s a whole nother can of worms. Haha! But yeah…if we all could drag then it would be on the list of things I do want.
@@GebatronGaming the entire medic class needs a rework, or more sub classes the medic supplies is completely useless.
@@Jones25ful enjoy the medic role but its so clunky and the load outs need review
@@adamwhite3347 it’s just, the only time I’ve ever had a good run playing medic it’s guarding a defensive area, trying to heal while pushing is foolish, but hey I guess I could always play the medic subclass that goes all in with the smoke grenades.
Yeah locking officer to a level is a bad idea. I'm willing to bet half of the people requesting that never even offer to be an officer. So many people wait to pile into a squad and never even try it. When I'm officer playing with friends I have to lock the squad immediately so that friends can join. Then I unlock it.
It just isn’t going to have the effect that people think it will. It’s not like high level players are saying “aww shoot. I was going to play SL but someone else took it first” hahaha
I have never thought these out as well as you just laid these out. But, your points are solid and I now couldn't agree more. Well said
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed the video. These are just my opinions so make sure to read comments for opposing points of view. Thanks again!
The only one I disagree with you on is the queue size. I want a bigger queue. Just for purely selfish reasons. I have a few servers I usually go on because of familiar faces and I want to get onto those servers. Repeatedly clicking to try and get on the queue is a bit of a pain in the arse. I'd rather wait 30 minutes in a queue quietly reading a book than spend 30 minutes clicking the screen in hopes of just getting into the queue. I'm not going to go on another server outside of the ones I have favourited regardless of whether the queue is full or not. In many cases depending on my mood, if I cannot get into those servers then I'd rather just not play the game. So I just want it easier for me to get into the server I want.
I like the community, the rules and the admins of that particular server. Every time I play that server I have a great experience and that doesn't apply to other servers. And it just so happens that the ping of that server is very low whereas not every server is. So hopefully you can understand why I'd want this feature.
I don't see why this would be a problem either because there are clearly many people like me who repeatedly click the connect button in an attempt to get onto a queue. They're already waiting now. A longer queue is not going to change that, it'll only make it more fair so that it's first come first serve. In fact a larger queue system might actually discourage some people from waiting. Right now we're all repeatedly clicking and hoping to get in a queue behind 6 people. We're all fighting for that chance. But with a longer queue system, we'd clearly be able to see "Hey, there's 12 people ahead of you waiting. You're gonna be here for a pretty damn long time" and that's bound to discourage many people from trying to join that server.
I think body dragging would be for when there’s not a medic around but the dead player is able to be put in a safer spot for a revive. I think that there could be better time spent on other things though.
I think that would be ideal, but for some reason the requests always seem to be limited to the medic role in an attempt to give them unique mechanics to help set them apart.
A "semi balance" feature for magazines would be discard entirely a magazine when you reload a semi-automatic//automatic weapon, this way you would want to think twice before reloading after shooting one or two bullets and could give Kar98 soldiers a relief (because I have seen people leaving the game because their first battles were with German Level 1 roles), not to mention that ammo boxes would be seen more frecuently while playing, as only a little portion of players want to do any kind of support.
I think a choice between a tactical reload, which dumps a (somewhat depleted) mag for a quicker reload, and a regular reload, which stashes mags (for later use) would be a good feature - like in ‘Insurgency: Sandstorm’.
I make sure that before I join a server that there are rules against being in leadership with no mic... I can say that 90% of the time the squad leads/commanders are good because of it
That's good advice for people looking for good comms. Thanks!
I agree with most of these. The two I have differences on both relate to experience with Planetside 2.
PS2 has map drawing, and it gets minimum use or abused. A nice substitute for this is to allow for basic directional arrows. This limits abuse while allowing players to look at map & perceive the strategy, all without requiring squad micromanagement.
The 2nd is the vehicle assignment. Since the topic is already afoot with players allowed to drive vehicle, it will be amplified with the MG addition. This happens with the PS2 Sunderer, which is a larger version of the HLL halftrack. Since the Sunderer placement is vital for effectiveness, even random players innocently firing the vehicle turrets regularly give away its position, causing more harm than good. So even with greater limits to player access, PS2 still implemented locking options for something we in HLL have not yet experienced.
I genuinely did not know ps2 had map drawing. I’ve been playing that game for over 100 hours
@@charliesword8101 Its been a few years since I've used it, so it could have been removed.
I agree on all of it. Most of those sounded like players who were mad about something happening in a match they played, and decided this is a good idea. Hell let loose is good the way it is. Hopefully they fix the bugs. I have hope in what I'm seeing on the road map. Cheers! And I'll see y'all at the front!
I agree with almost all of them except the body dragging mechanic. I find myself in situations as a medic where player's bodies are exposed to enemy fire. And even with smoke, narrow passageways like in towns, or open fields, the opposing players just shoots into the smoke anyway, or just throw a grenade. And they have succeeded alot. This mechanic would make my job as a medic a little easier and can get more downed players out of danger and into the fight. I do see your point that medic's job is quick and can revive players quickly, but even still, I think this mechanic can benefit the game.
The half track and supply trucks being locked sounds good at face value until you realize you might have someone dedicated to supply lines in supply trucks or a player dedicated in your squad to drive a half track.
Having your squad lead only drive these vehicles would then distract your officer from doing his main job
Agreed!
Mag checks: Garand, listen for ping for accurate mag check
(i was always taught "reload when you can, not when you should")
This game SERIOUSLY needs a mechanic where you can either snap to a cover, so you can easily shoot around it. Or, have many degrees of tilt and crouch. Like how escape from tarkov has. I've been in so many situations where I wanna peak, but my options are, half my body is out, or I can't see. Really annoying.
Imo, there should be a snap to cover and degrees of tilt options. In warzone, there is a snap to cover button, and I really enjoy using it. It's not always great, sometimes there is a pipe in the way or some such thing. But like 80% I find value in it.
For those of you wondering how it works. You simply hold your crouch button or tilt button, and then scroll your mouse wheel and it let's you adjust. Very intuitive and let's you make real tight peaks.
Here is what I wish HLL did have
1. In warfare, no squad besides recon can move 1 sector behind the current point,
2. No one can cap past the midpoint until 30 minutes have passed in the match,
3. In offensive, defense has time 5 minutes to setup on the first point, the attacking squad gets 45 minutes to attack the first point, then 30 for the following points, have only 3 cap points instead of 5.
4. I would to be able to Re supply from ammo boxes more than once
5. This is my most important one- Remove squad and Command chat, Proximity chat only and we have to have a radio man nearby for Command chat.
just stumbled upon this vid, and I was really happy we both agree on these things. Love
Half track is a heavy armored vehicle. It is absolutely a tank. It may not have the cannon, but it’s still an armored assault vehicle with tracks. I’d consider it a heavy that requires a tank crew to operate. It would require tank like operations to be effective, especially the driving aspect.
Body dragging is nice because anyone can do it. I’m a medic and I’d love for friendlies to be in cover when I revive them.
I agree if it’s something everyone can do. Most of the requests I see are for the medic only as to help keep their role unique in that regard. I would not like that in HLL. If we all could drag then I’d be all for it. Thanks for watching!
Asmetric gameplay is god, I wish the respawn system can even be upgraded for each faction
I disagree with the map marker point. While i dont want any dck art, squad for example has helpful presets for thing like moving direction, flank angles etc. Also, i think a commander should be able to assign icons and markers per squad so its not a constant back and forth . Command chat is way too loud and full already, it would be so much better if there is non verbal communication via the map
I can see where you are coming from. For me part of the purpose and fun comes from that command chat though. I don’t want to see HLL implementing more systems that make it easier to not have to communicate. But I respect your POV. Thanks for watching and for the comments!
I agree with everything except body dragging. I feel like body dragging would add some pretty cool/dynamic moments to the average game. But I understand the counter points to body dragging aswell
I’d like it too. It’s just that some other systems would also need to change. Thanks for watching and for your comments!
One thing I could have hugely benefited from is a practice/training server.
I think the devs said they were never going to do that because that can gives hackers and idea to exploit the game, which makes sense
Yeah the devs did say that probably isn’t going to happen. I agree it would be nice.
The mag Check would be quit nice but More like in Red orchestra 2 where it just tells you „Full“, „Not Full“ and „nearly empty“
What about Squad Lead not as a class? You can choose any class and add the SL watch to it. It would open up the number of people willing to do it so you can still level up your assault or AT class
I started SL at level 20 but had watched months of videos, I did my first command role at level 30 and got the basics ok but map knowledge is more useful here
I disagree with the specialized squad part simply because coordination is very rare and difficult to achieve. So many people leave when I announce “somebody go engineer.” By having a specialized engineer squad it’s much more easier to coordinate with other engineers and the commander with squad chat to get nodes down and fortify and ferry supplies. But I only think a engi unit should exist.
I don't entirely agree re specialized squads. Having a dedicated engineer squad for Offensive matches would be a big help when trying to coordinate defenses. Yes, you can do something similar through local chat, but it just makes herding the cats even more challenging.
While the current system is flexible, it's also open to abuse. E.g. there are limits on the number of tank squads, but not so for AT guns, meaning that you theoretically could have 50 AT guns on a match at once (the worst I've seen is ~10 at one time). Given the fact that they can be rebuilt almost instantaneously, it has the potential to be hugely overpowered. The only limiting factor is a team's failure to cooperate, which doesn't seem like the best safeguard.
Yeah I can see your point of view here. Like I’ve seen some of the competitive teams use this system to really spam AT roles. I’m still not sold on your take but I can see where you’re coming from. Thanks!
Specialized squads or atleast an engineer squad would be good because engineers are essentially wasting space in normal squads, Im not contributing to the squad at all for half an hour while building defences and nodes.
Usually if i want to be building defences il just do a squad bait and rejoin as an engineer hoping everyone will leave the squad
For magazine checks, just count and remember how many bullets you have. Not hard to track.
The reason people rather sit in a queue is because more often then not those servers properly manage their rules and have active admins. I don’t have to deal with some kid tk’ing me over and over or have someone who’s blatantly cheating (whether that be ghosting or hacking) and have admins do nothing. Sure you can make the argument “then just pay for vip” but not everyone is so comfortable wasting money on a subscription to a server. Then there’s also the consideration of how many people are trying to join friends. Only point I disagree with lol, great vid!
You do irl mag checks by ejecting the mag and judging by weight. So I'd say ggs Tarkov you did it right.
Yeah I like it in Tarkov. Tarkov doesn’t give you a specific number and your magazines don’t automatically fill up after each reload. Typically when this is requested for HLL people say they want to know specifically how many rounds are left. I think it would just be silly because you can reload just as fast as a mag check in HLL and it’s always a full mag (unless it’s your last mag)
Great list Gebatron as always love your content, keep it going my friend.
Appreciate it! Thanks for the support.
Lvl 30. Just yesterday I joined a squad with no SL just as they were complaining that someone created thw squad and left.
I decided to become SL since that server will kick you If you got none.
Ended up going the full game as SL and while the commander could have been a lot better (many times there was almsot no one using command chat and he wss unresponsive) I just had a great time. I had 2 guys helping me do stuff and with comms qhile the rest didnt talk much but obeyed orders. We were the only ones defending half of the match and we just had a great time and eventually won.
I am pretty sure most of the deffense garris were mine. The levels are not the problem
A queue of 6 is good. I agree.
I want to pick up friendly weapons. If a MG is mounted. Guy gets shot off it. It should stay til end of mag.
I like you, Gabby. I like the cut of your jib, and think you are a sensible player I'd assign as my academy comandante back when I facilitated [CoFR]Crusty old Fossil Rockers. This game is ideal for private community gaming, and horrendously frustrating as a pub format game. What this game needs it lacks is server flexibility, with lots of server option variable to curtail the experience. That said, they need to make a buck and will continue to dumb it down to attract sales.
I like to think that later in the game’s life they will change that aspect to help extend the life of the game. Maybe we’ll get mods someday, too.
No to level locks on officer, for sure. We always need more of those, and they can learn from better players in their squad. Commander could probably use it, though, it has a much more harmful affect on everyone, and it's not required for seeding... If you don't like you SL, start a new squad. If your commander is throwing the game away, you'll probably have to either play through it and have your time wasted, or switch servers.
I do wish half tracks would be limited to squad leaders and commanders only, though.
WWII games that allow everyone to have an stg44 usually end up with just every single dirty sweatlord rocking one. Ruins both the fun and the realism. And yeah, made me think of H&G before you mentioned it. And I played before you could unlock a captured weapon as your own loadout. Introduction of that feature was one of the things that made me move away from the game.
I think maybe it would be nice if there was some separate "tank gamemode", maybe just as an experiment, in which the driving and gunnery is all controlled by one player at once, like in WarThunder, H&G, Enlisted and such.
I agree with everything but specialized squads. I'd really love to have multiple supports/engineers/designated driver in a supply unit. Especially given the limitations game places on certain roles (1 node per engineer for isntance)
I think if they introduced specialized squads then they would have to restrict the composition of other squads and I don’t want that in HLL. I like it in PS, but I also like how HLL is different in that regard. Having said that I can respect your opinion and understand where you’re coming from. Thanks for sharing!
For specialized squads it's pretty easy to just make your own specialized unit if your communication on your team is good. One game we made an anti tank squad by having myself and another squads at, a machine gunner and our assault with some rifleman stuck in to destroy any tank that tried to attack the point.
Another great video mate
Thanks Raz!
If we can't lock vehicles to certain squads, we need a way to kick people from the server. Tank griefing on consol is becoming a problem. Can't damage friendly armor, or stop them from constantly driving into your tank.
With the dragging, I think you’re not considering people getting while peaking with their body then falling outside of cover. A quick drag can prevent them from being shot on revive.
Yeah I understand that it would be nice. It’s just that when people request it it’s usually requested for the medic role only and with the way that already works, the lack of tickets, and the full ammo loadout on respawn it’s just not worth the effort at the moment. If some of those other systems were changed a bit then I’d think it was totally worth the effort.
You point out the level 15s playing SL but don’t call out the level 300s who aren’t stepping up to play sl
Well said... dude
I don't want the flamethrower when it arrives :(
Thanks for watching! Yeah I mostly agree. I’m not very interested in the flamethrower either.
I agree with all your points except for one.
Which one?
Level locks would be so bad for the game, honestly. We'd have even fewer SLs and commanders. Low Level doesn't always equal Bad
Agree!
With the armor point I think they should not allow you to lock it with one person in the armor squad because if you are one manning with an open squad at least you are trying to get people in
maybe just a lock on the commander role, at least maybe lvl 50 or 100 for commander.... as for queues, I play at night when most low ping servers are empty, i'll wait in a queue rather than join and empty or high ping server.
I agree roles shouldnt be locked because its hard enough to find people to fill those roles as is.
However, being commander without ever learning the other roles is a stupid thing to support.
You 100% don't need to know what all the roles are capable of to be an effective commander.
Just found the channel great HLL videos subbed!
Thank you so much! Means more than you know. Glad you are enjoying the content!
I main the machine gunner or anti tank, I dabbled in other classes but I always been terrified of taking on a leader role because I’m too terrified of getting yelled at for being a starter.
Anyone who would yell at someone for taking a role they themselves were unwilling to take instead of being helpful has no real understanding of leadership in the first place and you should feel free to kick and ignore them. Don’t let people like that dictate how you have fun. Hope to see you out there!
I agree with all the said on the video; dragging wounded!?, this isn't the ArmA; and same for everything else.
Awesome content my friend.
Enjoyable and nice stuff to watch.
HLL is my favourite fps of all times from far.
Keep that channel shining and see you on your next post, bell is activated here.
Have a nice day
Thanks again!
Body dragon only works if you got smoked down and you got people shooting at the enemy suppressing them.. can work and actually gets you out of fire range
If they did add weapon pickups you should only be able to use what rounds it has left and be unable to reload it I’ve ran out of ammo a few times and I’m staring at dead bodies and thinking man I wish I could just use their gun for a second while I try to get ammo for my gun in reality it’s probably best to leave it as it is but if they added that feature that’s as far as it should go no reloading or anything just shoot what it has left in it for emergencies
So many of the mechanics that exist for pc and solve a lot of the issues you mention need to be ported to console
100%
Something I don't want to see that I've seen people asking for is the ability for infantry to shoot while riding in transport trucks.
I get that it was possible but it just feels too arcadey for this type of game.
Yeah. I think I agree with you there.
Yeah agreed. Pubg is a perfect example of how this sort of thing can be abused.
Put accuracy modifier on guns when in vehicles like -150% or something like that, Irl you may get lucky with one or two shots but that’s it, I’d say it would make people “feel” like they can shoot back, even if it may be just a waste of ammo
I like how when you bought up picking up enemy guns you talked about hero's and generals. My brain went straight to red orchestra with MG42's and PPSH's littering the map
re: the level locks for Squadleader... I've never really seen levelnumbers as indicative of ability if I'm honest. Someone could be level 1 and have tonnes of experience with playing a squad lead on say Post Scriptum, only to be barred from the role on HLL because they haven't put in a prerequisite number of hours. I feel that would pretty quickly sink the game itself, and just attract rather unwelcome elements to the playerbase. If you have a good server, it doesn't matter what level you are, as you get help from the more experienced players anyway. Personally I hate playing squadlead. I prefer to play supporting roles and let someone else direct the whole show. :P
Agreed. Level is more of a time indicator than a skill indicator.
I’m in favor of machine gun over heating and barrel changes like Red Orchestra.
Fun fact! The Kickstarter campaign had this very mechanic featured: www.kickstarter.com/projects/blackmatter/hell-let-loose?ref=nav_search&result=project&term=Hell%20let%20loose
I mean dragging someone out of the way so you don’t get killed trying to revive someone just makes sense..
Sure…depending on the other mechanics involved. Makes perfect sense in Squad where it takes a long time to revive, there is also a ticket system, and ammo isn’t replenished with a respawn. With HLL it takes maybe 5 seconds to revive and heal which can all be done prone. To drag you’d have to be crouching at the very least and you’re movement speed would be impacted. It would literally take longer to drag them to cover all while being more exposed. It just isn’t a great mechanic for HLL with the way that the game is currently designed.
Great list. I’d personally like to see bigger lobbies
You mean larger than 50v50? Or do you mean queues?
@@GebatronGaming like 75v75 or 100v100 or larger than that too
@@brt94i think that would be really fun. it may make the game near impossible to take defended objectives, could be wrong though.
Body dragging isn't a competetive feature, its an immersion feature... Dosen't do it any justice to judge it from a perspective of effectiveness.
The rest of the points i completely agree with however.
I would argue that it is a competitive feature. I juxtapose HLL and Squad in the video specifically because Squad has a ticket system. Those tickets deplete every time a soldier dies and running out of tickets means you lose the match. Often times games that have tickets like this can come down to whichever team has the better medics. Reviving also takes a little longer in Squad. There is no ticket system in HLL. You lose manpower but that isn’t a victory condition like in Squad so fleshing out these features make sense in Squad more so than in HLL. In HLL it would almost entirely be an immersion feature as waiting that long to be dragged and revived actually would keep players out of the fight longer with no real benefit in most cases. I wish HLL had a more fleshed out system where deaths had more of an impact and there were more negative consequences for deaths. Also I’m mostly responding to people who request that the medic role be the only role that can drag bodies in an attempt to keep the role unique. I would welcome the change as long as all players could drag bodies even though it would have little benefit without larger meta changes.
Thanks for your comment and thanks for watching!
I think weapon jamming would be good making bolt actions more dependable
I do want the max engineer count to be set to 2 per squad whilst, and only if, the satchel is removed or replaced by a "wire cutter" or something that functions as a deconstruction tool (also for enemy mines). I think it is weird that to reinforce a point you need like 4 engineers from 4 different squads who can't communicate directly with eachother unless in proximity.
In a squad with higher level players - there are too many Satchels going around already though.
Alternatively/additionally I would like SL loadout to be more versatile, i.e. the SL can have a less agressive loadout with an ammo box or a engineer tool. Pro's for this would be: More people willing to play SL, SL not being played like an assault class (and dieing all the time), a fix for the disconnect between who plays SL (cooperative, tactics and logistics oriented players) vs its point-man loadout (pure aggression, lots of ammo and grenades). A con might be that the SL becomes a one-man army(knife) that doesn't have to rely on his squad enough to encourage cooparation - so not extreme versatility.
I am not thinking from a "ww2 perspective" but pure gameplay enjoyment.
Also: Great vid!
When it comes to level locking the only position I would restrict if I had the power would be the Commander role... I believe the to play Commander you should atleast be level 6 Officer, if you don't know how to command a squad build garri's ect you shouldn't be commanding the whole team.. it can destroy games.
Totally agree with everything you’ve said, I play on console so 1 or 2 items don’t effect me, having said that in my opinion all the items mentioned would cause more trouble than they’re worth. The game is great yeah we have rubber banding on console but the new server roll out will solve that, leave the game alone it’s pretty good as is.
I have 100 hours put into the game and just realized from the beginning of your video that there are cosmetics 😂
Hahahahaha!!! Yeah you can change your appearance from the barracks or during a match by clicking ‘appearance’ while in the select/change role screen.
I don't agree with adding mag checks to HLL, but saying it's simply "looking at the top of the mag and magically knowing how many rounds are left," is a bit inaccurate.
Many magazines have small holes on the back with tiny numbers engraved by them that can show at a glance how many rounds are left inside. This is actually what is being represented in games that have this feature.
The reason this wouldn't work in HLL is that many of the weapons just aren't mag fed, so this wouldn't make sense for a large portion of the arsenal.
Yes many magazines do have holes so you can see where the rounds are. Perhaps a game exists out there where your player actually looks at those holes, but I have not seen that in a game. Furthermore my list is a response to what people ask for in the different platforms. What I see requested is something like “we should be able to pull out our magazine and know how many rounds are left.” Not “about how many rounds are left” or “estimate how many are left” which to me indicates that they aren’t interested in a mechanic like Tarkov or Squad where you get a rough idea within a couple of rounds. I even showed Tarkov to highlight that the player does not look at the back or sides of the mag, but the top and because that’s the case we only get a rough estimate. Additionally, not all the weapons in HLL have box magazines, but they all have a magazine. Even the bolt action rifles have internal magazines that IRL can be checked. You just hold the rounds in while opening the action. Same with the Garand. You are able to open the action while holding the clip in and check rounds.
I think the reason it doesn’t make sense is because ammo isn’t calculated per mag and is instead calculated as a total sum. Since checking a mag and changing a mag take the same amount of time then it doesn’t make sense to have it. If mags were calculated individually and ammo was persistent then I would change my view on this and want mag checks of some kind.
@@GebatronGaming you're right, visually many games poorly represent that. I wouldn't argue that. Mechanically it functions the same though.
(I wasn't watching most of the video, i had it on in the background, but having played Insurgency and Ready or Not, i know what you're talking about, they use a similar system)
Again, im not disagreeing with you, i'm ok with the auto-combining they have right now, but if they were to add a check system i think the assumption would be that they would change it.
Btw, something i haven't heard enough mention of:
How would you feel about the option of choosing which control points are active rather than having them randomized every game?
(I have an in depth way to implement it in mind, but i won't go into all that right now)
Me and my friend play half-track when it's just us two as a mobile gun platform.
If people are so intent on having a "realistic" experience. Lets just change the entire game to a Hazard Risk Assessment and Minute writing session where before you can launch your attack, and only after you're sent through a resupply request in triplicate to the supply dept for ammunition, water and food
Ok.
Gebatron gaming i got a tip for you to put in one of your tips videos, i found out from a streamer terrydacttyl gaming
When youre about to push on an enemy thats just around a corner whos aware youre there already and you have a machine gun or smg or plenty of bullets fire into the floor between you amd the enemy player as you push the corner to kill them and this will keep that player suppressed. Making it harder for him to aim at you.
I tried it a few times and i have to say it APPEARS to work.
Ive not lost a one on one knife fight on a corner yet. As long as you dont accidently fire off yoyr ammo so that by the time you have them in your sights you are empty!!! 😆
Yeah i did that today lol
I actually managed to run away as he fired at me (i think the suppression actually helped with this moment maybe!?!) anyway so i saved it , it was quite funny, as i screamed, ran and reloaded i managed to turn and nail them!!
Sweeeet 😀😀
Ammo truck would be super sick
Oooooo….ammo truck to be able to rearm armor without having to drive back to HQ.
@@GebatronGaming small arms too, set it up at point and protect it.
I agree with all of these
Excellent! Thanks for watching.
With a high queue size and a low queue size, I can still hardly ever get into a server on either Squad/Post Scriptum or HLL. And when I do, I get into a terrible server every time.
Well, they added bolt action rifle malfunction (as if it wasn't slow enough) and now sometimes when you press LMB the bullet doesn't go out. Very frustrating indeed
I use queues because the ping on servers outside of my region have terrible pings. So I can't enjoy the game unless its a west server regularly there's only one server that has people in it in my region.
It'd be really nice if they added server browser, or at least preferred game mode to console...
That would be nice. Agree.