Hope you guys enjoyed the video! Again Huge shoutout to DanFourts & Jub! I think this is where I’ll stop adding more now or never versions, I’ve pretty much added all of them (OCTO EXPANSION DOESN’T COUNT). If deep cut does another concert and they preform now or never I’ll add that. But for now thank you guys for watching
Splatoon: still figuring out how to make the music, kinda muffled Splatoon 2: muffled harmonies Splatoon 3: *aggressive rock and/or pop* and clear voices 9:02 conveys the feeling of urgency but in a fun way because of the tone being an octave higher and a choir. I see what splatoon did…they like their *octaves*
man wish i still had my copy of splatoon 1 , i played from the first testfire to the callie vs marie splatfest. i saw the heaven and hell of that game, i remember how broken ninja squid was at launch, the controversy of blasters , everyone complaining that rollers were broken, how you would play your reroll in your fav gear gives you at leats 2 the same skill. those really were the days.
The original Splatoon will be 10 years old in 2 years. It’s hard to believe back in 2015 I pre-ordered the game on the Wii U eShop without even knowing what it was and having buyer’s remorse. Then I played all of the Global Testfire events and really fell in love with the concept of the game. To this day I’m still a regular player in the series. Picked up the 3rd game on launch and have been playing it ever since.
@@alessandro6885never knew it'd turn 10 , who knew younger me would fall in love with splatoon's trailer and beg my mom to pick it up and then it'd basically stick with me for life , still an avid player to this day and picked up splatoon 3 on launch
I love all three of the Now or Nevers but for different reasons because all of them have a different interpretation of it. So, these are my interpretations of each of the fictional band's interpretations. (Yes, this is me just reading more into the silly squid music) Squid Squad: Of course, this is the original. All three use the lydian scale to up the sense of urgency and give it that "It's now or never!" feel, as well as the somewhat frantic drums. The things that I like that are unique to this version are the "Ska!"s and the way they handle the end of the bridge. The power cords kind of give it a simple but powerful feeling. At the end of a turf war, you know your goal, and you just have to make paint hit the floor, and not die. Speaking of not dying, the "Ska!"s. At the end of a turf war you're so focused on painting, that anything feels like a big deal, any ouch, any spotting of an enemy, it can get overwhelming trying to answer everything that's yelling at you all at once, but new things just continue to happen. Sometimes you die, or just get a little moment to get your bearings, but it's just for afew seconds. I love the descent and ascent here, it feels like watching mid swap back... and forth... and back... and forth... all in the last minute of the game. Then there's that last second decision you make, the last resolve on what you're going to spend these last 20 seconds doing. Right back to it, and then the panic of hearing the final seconds of the song, nothing to do but throw your last bomb and... who won? Wet Floor: Lots of the same vibes here, but more relaxed, with a funkier bassline. Feels a little more chill, as chill as focused desperation can be anyways. The two voices calling and repeating aren't at odds, they're working together. It's your team communicating and coordinating as you set up the final push. The bridge in this one just feels... harmonious. Your whole team focused together trying to achieve the same goal. The back and forth of the up and don has been replaced with more lydian ascents, ramping up even more, even as your team is working together. The end of the bridge again, is that little private moment with yourself. Outside of teamwork. Outside of what pressure the enemy is forcing. What will you do in these last 20 seconds? Right back to it, now that everyone has decided what they're doing, you all try and set up that last few moments. You take and give what information you have, push together and pray. How did *we* do? C Side: Chaos chaos! This version of Now or Never is showing that it's a desperate for for both sides. Everyone on both teams is frantic and having to make similar split second decisions. The bridge doesn't really calm down until part way through, things are still happening and you are able to get so much information now, which you need to use all of. This is the shortest/fastest of the final decisions, you know what you're gonna do now, and you know that you have to do it now. Both teams are coordinating and executing their last ditch efforts in these crucial final seconds. Splat that guy, spray and pray, time for one last bomb... and relax. There's nothing left but to see the results.
@@docwulff907 I’m in my car at a stop light. It just turned red. And I just stepped out of my car and stood up. Now everyone thinks I’m crazy, but it was worth it. 🦑
My take: the upbeatness of the final Now or Never really helps offset some of the stressfulness of the song itself and the last minute of gameplay where pretty much everything is determined (since the song is for turf war after all). The E3 version doesn't have that; it just sounds stressful. The final version kinda scrubs some of the salt subconsciously with its chipperness, which is something that's very much needed for that game and something that the E3 version doesn't provide
it doesnt feel like a good last minute transition into the end of the match. it feels more like a low health jingle, kind of like the low health theme in unova
I could see that working for ranked with how insane that mode can be (especially since it could only be for the last minute and can loop if overtime occurs)
@@Chopscrewyyyngl half yes, it was my first now or never to hear but also it just sounds more frantic and panicky and actually makes my heart race when playing turf war and trying to win last second lol
It's still the most energizing and adrenaline rush feeling than the other 2 Splatoons. However, 3 brings back that chaotic Now or Never but still I choose 1. It's just cooler :)
Ah yes, my favorites. Anxiety Booster Classic Squid Sisters Not The Sequel The Sequel Forehead and the Octoling Squid Sisters, Forehead, and the Octoling Punk Blue, Fivehead, and Chad Cards... i guess The Sisters, LIVE! Forehead and the Octoling, LIVE! A Memoir... Classic but slightly shorter No. Eh... nah. Chiptune
@@lemonbreadd4427 I find the Now or Never theme in particular to be kinda... no. Some are genuinly really good though, see Vs. Marx, Bomb Rush Blush, and Meta Knight's Revenge.
@@Ciscodog100 i'm mainly thinking the smash splatoon remixes. a lot of smash remixes are actually really cool, but the splatoon ones.... well, like you said, we at least have bomb rush blush
i have no clue how they'll one-up splat 3's in the next game. maybe i'm biased because i wasn't playing until 3, but that punk vibe man!!! it's just so perfect
I really wish they kept the E3 2014 Now or Never for Ranked Battles. This version sounds a lot more stressful and serious than the final version, which perfectly describes ranked.
(Comment from older version) This will now forever be my "nintendo direct is going to start in 20 minutes, get hyped" music I will now put thoughts and opinions on directs here 10/6/22: mario movie direct It looks very well animated and I can deal with the voice the characters have. so far it looks cool and I am hyped for it to release. Crossing my fingers for a wario and waluigi appearance... 2/8/23: general direct Very excited for the booster course pass 4, new track AND NEW CHARACTERS?! Tears of the kingdom looks sick as always (reminded me of Banjo kazooie nuts and bolts in a way). gb and gba is very poggers. Pikmin 4 looks fantastic I never really got into Pikmin but I might with this entry. Metroid prime remastered... cool but where's prime 4. Splatoon 3 DLC, please be as good as octo expansion. 3/9/23: Mario movie direct Banger... it looks wonderful... I can't wait... Rainbow road looks gorgeous...
20:39 is exactly what I was going for. I think something like 18:50 would be super fitting in the middle part. It’s probably the only good part of the whole song.
Thanks for this! DanFourt's channel got taken down, and so has his beta recreation of Now or Never! Spent an hour trying to find it and thankfully this video has it! :)
Tbh if they make a special now or never for the final fest in splatoon 3 I hope all 7 idols sing even though that would be chaotic but then again splatoon 3 is meant to be chaos
@@callie-flower3177 theres not very much punk gear though. like only the punk nights shoes and the leather jackets from annaki, i wish there was more because i only have like 2 punk outfits that are very basic
Its hard to pick a favorite. I don't like C-Side's as a whole but they have the most impact and the best Intro. They go ham in that intro. I might like Squid Squad, Wet Floor or Final Fest the most.
Smash bro's sounds so fucking horrible. Like why is it so jolly u don't have the urge to turn the tides of battle💀 Like this ain't now or never this later and always😭💀
Hope you guys enjoyed the video! Again Huge shoutout to DanFourts & Jub!
I think this is where I’ll stop adding more now or never versions, I’ve pretty much added all of them (OCTO EXPANSION DOESN’T COUNT). If deep cut does another concert and they preform now or never I’ll add that. But for now thank you guys for watching
for now or nev-
why not octo expansion? 🥺
@@RealBasil143 It's technically not Now or Never
@@Rexowogamer true, isnt it ebb and flo
Thankyou for not adding octo ecpansion it sucks (splat3 octo)
The way the letters SPLATOON 3 moved is litterally how the music feels. 7:16
the aggressive vibrating is very accurate to splatoon 3
Imagine how different turf war would be if they kept the e3 idea😭 really brings in the war part
But the E3 one should be with lyrics so it could be better in my opinion
Would've been perfect for ranked
They should make a Splatoon game that’s very graphic and like actual war lol
I’d unironically buy that
Would not have been as Fresh
@@collinthegamer510How would they even make it graphic? The paint explosion when a player dies is as violent as splatoon could get lol
The way the ‘e’ is placed in the Splatoon 3 Splatfest image makes it look kind of like a very disgruntled octoling and I love it.
😂
Splatoon: still figuring out how to make the music, kinda muffled
Splatoon 2: muffled harmonies
Splatoon 3: *aggressive rock and/or pop* and clear voices
9:02 conveys the feeling of urgency but in a fun way because of the tone being an octave higher and a choir. I see what splatoon did…they like their *octaves*
Splatoon: ya id like a bowl of octaves please
can we all just pretend the smash now or never doesn’t exist
the smash bros now or never reminds me of a expensive kazoo
I just heard it for the first time and I liked it 😭
The first one not the second
What smash version of now or never they only have the splatoon1 and 2 now or never's
What the hell is a smash now or never
the smash now or never is what people who haven't played splatoon think splatoon is
did i cry hearing the splat 2 splatfest after playing splat 3 for so long? yes. yes i did.
SAME but with Splat 1 too... Those were the DAYS
man wish i still had my copy of splatoon 1 , i played from the first testfire to the callie vs marie splatfest. i saw the heaven and hell of that game, i remember how broken ninja squid was at launch, the controversy of blasters , everyone complaining that rollers were broken, how you would play your reroll in your fav gear gives you at leats 2 the same skill. those really were the days.
@@blueangelwing5660 fr im crying
Hearing the extra singers in the Final Fest one for Splatoon 2 did me in
That finalfest theme activated me. I yearn for splatoon 2's soundtrack
The screenshake on Splatoon 3 made me laugh
CHAOS CHAOS
12:08 That part of this Now or Never is actually a heavenly melody
Ahhh so the squid sisters mustve made it!
8:46 Gives me chills every time I love it.
9:11 Also love that Big Man cameo. I just realized that.
1:30 this part of splatoon ones now or never fills me with nostalgia
same...
The original Splatoon will be 10 years old in 2 years. It’s hard to believe back in 2015 I pre-ordered the game on the Wii U eShop without even knowing what it was and having buyer’s remorse. Then I played all of the Global Testfire events and really fell in love with the concept of the game. To this day I’m still a regular player in the series. Picked up the 3rd game on launch and have been playing it ever since.
@@alessandro6885This hits hard
@@alessandro6885never knew it'd turn 10 , who knew younger me would fall in love with splatoon's trailer and beg my mom to pick it up and then it'd basically stick with me for life , still an avid player to this day and picked up splatoon 3 on launch
the SKA for splatoon2’s will always be my favorite
AYYYY SKA MENTIONNNN❤
I’ve never heard the e3 version before, it’s so different! Thanks for sharing
I like how you did effects to splatoon 3 version, because it’s too rock lol.
the first one is the song incarnate of the realization that the enemy team went around your team in turf war and is now closing in on your team
I love all three of the Now or Nevers but for different reasons because all of them have a different interpretation of it. So, these are my interpretations of each of the fictional band's interpretations. (Yes, this is me just reading more into the silly squid music)
Squid Squad: Of course, this is the original. All three use the lydian scale to up the sense of urgency and give it that "It's now or never!" feel, as well as the somewhat frantic drums. The things that I like that are unique to this version are the "Ska!"s and the way they handle the end of the bridge.
The power cords kind of give it a simple but powerful feeling. At the end of a turf war, you know your goal, and you just have to make paint hit the floor, and not die. Speaking of not dying, the "Ska!"s. At the end of a turf war you're so focused on painting, that anything feels like a big deal, any ouch, any spotting of an enemy, it can get overwhelming trying to answer everything that's yelling at you all at once, but new things just continue to happen. Sometimes you die, or just get a little moment to get your bearings, but it's just for afew seconds. I love the descent and ascent here, it feels like watching mid swap back... and forth... and back... and forth... all in the last minute of the game. Then there's that last second decision you make, the last resolve on what you're going to spend these last 20 seconds doing. Right back to it, and then the panic of hearing the final seconds of the song, nothing to do but throw your last bomb and... who won?
Wet Floor: Lots of the same vibes here, but more relaxed, with a funkier bassline. Feels a little more chill, as chill as focused desperation can be anyways. The two voices calling and repeating aren't at odds, they're working together. It's your team communicating and coordinating as you set up the final push. The bridge in this one just feels... harmonious. Your whole team focused together trying to achieve the same goal. The back and forth of the up and don has been replaced with more lydian ascents, ramping up even more, even as your team is working together. The end of the bridge again, is that little private moment with yourself. Outside of teamwork. Outside of what pressure the enemy is forcing. What will you do in these last 20 seconds? Right back to it, now that everyone has decided what they're doing, you all try and set up that last few moments. You take and give what information you have, push together and pray. How did *we* do?
C Side: Chaos chaos! This version of Now or Never is showing that it's a desperate for for both sides. Everyone on both teams is frantic and having to make similar split second decisions. The bridge doesn't really calm down until part way through, things are still happening and you are able to get so much information now, which you need to use all of. This is the shortest/fastest of the final decisions, you know what you're gonna do now, and you know that you have to do it now. Both teams are coordinating and executing their last ditch efforts in these crucial final seconds. Splat that guy, spray and pray, time for one last bomb... and relax. There's nothing left but to see the results.
My guy typed a very good and descriptive comment about why he loves all three of the normal now or never songs and NO ONE gave a reply? Ima fix that
This is very handy and has very cute affects which fit each version of the song well! Thank you for making this!
Splat vets stand up🦑
@@docwulff907 I’m in my car at a stop light. It just turned red. And I just stepped out of my car and stood up. Now everyone thinks I’m crazy, but it was worth it. 🦑
I am crazy for splatoon and this is my life savor
I wonder what people didn’t like about the first ever (E3) Now or Never version? It sounds WAYYYYY different besides the beginning of it.
My take: the upbeatness of the final Now or Never really helps offset some of the stressfulness of the song itself and the last minute of gameplay where pretty much everything is determined (since the song is for turf war after all). The E3 version doesn't have that; it just sounds stressful. The final version kinda scrubs some of the salt subconsciously with its chipperness, which is something that's very much needed for that game and something that the E3 version doesn't provide
it doesnt feel like a good last minute transition into the end of the match. it feels more like a low health jingle, kind of like the low health theme in unova
Shin Megami Tensei Boss Battle soundin' ass
It isn't neither now nor never
Table turfs is actually PERFECT for what it is lol
i like that in this version of the now or never in the final fest marina actually sings
i say now and my teamates DC before they get to say never
Splatoon 3 in a nutshell
Paid $20 for online play only to never get to play online
@@pyrocinematics6649 NOW you pay, NEVER you play
OK wow that first one was stressful as fuck, I mean good song bit still, hard to listen to glad they changed it
Glad they didn’t stick with the beta splatoon ver. Way too hectic
Ikr, immagine having to go through... that... every game
loved it but… ditto :/
I could see that working for ranked with how insane that mode can be (especially since it could only be for the last minute and can loop if overtime occurs)
it’s too… wavy… and…
Splatoon 3s versions kinda devouring the other ones 😶
I mean, yeah, they do, but I still got love for the Splatoon 2 versions.
The splatfest one is good, but the regular one is kinda garbage
@@limeanimatesit's better than 2's at least
@@Chopscrewyyy no. 1's is the best, followed by 2's, then 3's is the worst.
@@limeanimatesme when im deaf
splatoon 1 will always be the best because of how much nostalgia it has
Squid Squad rocks pretty hard.
Splatoon 2 base now or never is easily the best of them all, encapsulated the pressure of the final minute so perfectly
I'm just gonna let you be wrong
@@Chopscrewyyy obviously the best of then all is the splatoon 3 one
@@Chopscrewyyybe so fr rn bestie /j
@@21backwards78u wrong too
@@shrimpshufflr7745 the best one is the first one in splatoon 1
I really love the chirpy chips version
Nice including the E3 beta version of now or never
Splatoon 3 knocked it out of the park.
Splatoon 3’s Splatfest one is flawless
Yeah I don't get why people like Splatoon 2's more
Nostalgia bias??
@@Chopscrewyyyngl half yes, it was my first now or never to hear but also it just sounds more frantic and panicky and actually makes my heart race when playing turf war and trying to win last second lol
the smash version genuinely made me burst out laughing im crying man
I wonder what the instrumental of the splatoon 2 test fire plus the better vocals that pearl and marina have in splatoon 2 would sound like
Smash got that goofy ass now or never 💀
The smash bros theme sounds like an alternative to tableturf
Splatoon 1 is the most nostalgic one here. Change my mind.
me too! listening to this song reminds me of all the good times spent on splatoon 1..
Of course it's the most nostalgic one, it's the oldest
@@mystrenula3911 no shit sherlock
@@mystrenula3911 nostalgia is usually caused by something old
It's still the most energizing and adrenaline rush feeling than the other 2 Splatoons. However, 3 brings back that chaotic Now or Never but still I choose 1. It's just cooler :)
8:46 I love when shiver was singing
It’s by far my favorite part of the song with Frye in the background, and well I don’t know how to put it in words.
for some reason I LOVE the e3 beta version
Imo, Splatoon 3 has the best regular now or never, but Splatoon 2 has the best Splatfest now or never.
Ah yes, my favorites.
Anxiety Booster
Classic
Squid Sisters
Not The Sequel
The Sequel
Forehead and the Octoling
Squid Sisters, Forehead, and the Octoling
Punk
Blue, Fivehead, and Chad
Cards... i guess
The Sisters, LIVE!
Forehead and the Octoling, LIVE!
A Memoir...
Classic but slightly shorter
No.
Eh... nah.
Chiptune
Love this comment lol
@@OctarianSquid Same lol.
finally, someone who admits that the smash remixes kinda suck
@@lemonbreadd4427 I find the Now or Never theme in particular to be kinda... no. Some are genuinly really good though, see Vs. Marx, Bomb Rush Blush, and Meta Knight's Revenge.
@@Ciscodog100 i'm mainly thinking the smash splatoon remixes. a lot of smash remixes are actually really cool, but the splatoon ones.... well, like you said, we at least have bomb rush blush
always so impressive how they managed to make a single minute of music so memorable & iconic...& it never gets old either!
i have no clue how they'll one-up splat 3's in the next game. maybe i'm biased because i wasn't playing until 3, but that punk vibe man!!! it's just so perfect
Off the Hook's will always be my fav. Marina had too much fun remixing it
Never gonna get over that screen shake for Splatoon 3 Now or Never lmao C-Side knows how to jam.
Love this mix! Very profreshional :D
yOu SpElT pRoFeSsIoNaL wRoNg!!1!!
@@RealBasil143 its splatoon my guy
@@btarifaza809 i was joking
i miss the splatoon 1 splatfests they were so fun
No one :
My Father loving the first now or never (because it is rock music) : *Head banging intensifies*
Final fest is what normal fest should have been. The final fest song would make more sense to be a back and forth like splat 3
the beta now or never is so much different than the one now
I really wish they kept the E3 2014 Now or Never for Ranked Battles. This version sounds a lot more stressful and serious than the final version, which perfectly describes ranked.
Ranked Battles when they don't have "Now or Never!" be like: 😶🌫️
It’s hard to do now or never for ranked
@@Kay-ql2wlHow is it hard? Is it because the song will likely get cut off?
@@Generic_Handle4573O v e r t i m e
Deep Cut's version is the best by a wide margin. Wet Floor and Off The Hook X Squid Sisters are also a cut above the rest
i liked the reference to buoyant boogie at 2:55
I think that’s because buoyant boogie samples those vocals
(Comment from older version)
This will now forever be my "nintendo direct is going to start in 20 minutes, get hyped" music
I will now put thoughts and opinions on directs here
10/6/22: mario movie direct
It looks very well animated and I can deal with the voice the characters have. so far it looks cool and I am hyped for it to release. Crossing my fingers for a wario and waluigi appearance...
2/8/23: general direct
Very excited for the booster course pass 4, new track AND NEW CHARACTERS?! Tears of the kingdom looks sick as always (reminded me of Banjo kazooie nuts and bolts in a way). gb and gba is very poggers. Pikmin 4 looks fantastic I never really got into Pikmin but I might with this entry. Metroid prime remastered... cool but where's prime 4. Splatoon 3 DLC, please be as good as octo expansion.
3/9/23: Mario movie direct
Banger... it looks wonderful... I can't wait... Rainbow road looks gorgeous...
So I love the way splatoon 3 title just shakes in the background 😂 but I will say I love that version of now or never
now or never of splatoon 1>>>
20:39 is exactly what I was going for. I think something like 18:50 would be super fitting in the middle part. It’s probably the only good part of the whole song.
splatoon 3 normal is probs my favorite now or never thus far
11:58 okay but they ATE THAT TF
Eh I don't mind Smash's now or never. It'd make a great ringtone
Gotta love how they make the Live Versions up to 3 mintues long from a 1 minute song lol
Thanks for this! DanFourt's channel got taken down, and so has his beta recreation of Now or Never! Spent an hour trying to find it and thankfully this video has it! :)
is it weird to say the tableturf now or never is my second favorite i love it so much
Splatoon 3's is my least favorite, but Splatoon 3's Splatfest version ironically enough is my favorite
3s is absolutely chaotic but I still thinks it’s the bet one because of that
Definently respectable opinion.
i would say that the worst ones are either splatoon 2 splatfest or smash ultimate remix
I would say that the Smash Bros Ultimate and Table-turf battle remixes are the worst
@@tecNET43 The Tableturf ver. is actually so good imo
16:29 the best splatoon now or never I've have listed to
Splatoon 4 now or never: 21:14 Make it happen, I love Chirpy Chips. Anyways Splatoon 1 still has the best Now or Never, it also brings memories too.
Sometimes I question why the testfire version of Splatoon 2’s now or never didn’t make into the full release.
Because it _sounds_ like a demo.
“YOUR LIFE IS NOTHING
YOU SERVE SERO PURPOSE
YOU SHOULD 7:30 NOW”
*_Thank god they discarded the beta one_*
the smash bros one sounds like someone going “mimimimimimimimimimimi”
Bro E3 sounds so scary
The last minute of 2022
There's a 2015 version of the Concert Now or Never, being slightly different from the 2016 one.
That last minute is weirdly long
All sounds good😊 (smash i hate you)
ngl i wouldnt have minded the e3 being the original s1 now or never
That would change every now or never tho, that would change Splatoon
E3 BETQ IS BEAUTIFUL
Tbh if they make a special now or never for the final fest in splatoon 3 I hope all 7 idols sing even though that would be chaotic but then again splatoon 3 is meant to be chaos
that man must've taken team future for SURE
20:38 is one of the best ones tbh, the extended version
Splat4 will be amazing
If I didn't know any better I'd like to think that the male voice in the Splatoon 3 version is Big Man.
really wish s3 had more punky gear n music, since pearlies punk and she won the finalfest
that's as punk as it gets though tbh! lol it is the epitome of it
@@callie-flower3177 theres not very much punk gear though. like only the punk nights shoes and the leather jackets from annaki, i wish there was more because i only have like 2 punk outfits that are very basic
GET SILLY!!!!!!!
6:02 Pearl sounds cute
Its hard to pick a favorite. I don't like C-Side's as a whole but they have the most impact and the best Intro. They go ham in that intro. I might like Squid Squad, Wet Floor or Final Fest the most.
Super WOW.❤
why is Mario Cart deluxe 8 squid squad now or never?
Smash bro's sounds so fucking horrible. Like why is it so jolly u don't have the urge to turn the tides of battle💀 Like this ain't now or never this later and always😭💀
I completely forgot about the Tableturf one 😭
it sounds so cute and nerd tech-y!! :’)
Didn’t realize this was THE OctarianSquid until I was on the Splatoon 2 Splatfest version.
My fave band is in splatoon 1,2&3
m8 this s amazin
LMAOOOO WTF IS THAT SMASH REMIX BRO WHAT
Wonder what happened to Dan fourts maybe Nintendo caught on
7:10
8:03
Why is it such a bop tho
やっぱ、初代スプラが一番
Laaaaaa lala la la laaaaa
Splattack's are still better and no one will change my opinion
Celui de Smash Bros peut être cool pour cartes et territoire
Weird how it changed the way it did hear e three and hear launch splatoon 1
My theory is that they made it like that because of the lack of vocalist because by that point only 10% of the game was finished.
lol e three
The Splat 2 Testfire Now or Never was wayyy better than what we got