Imagine TPTB did right by Cooper and gave him a TKO after Ali was out on his feet or failed to answer the bell for the 5th or, DQ after his seconds entered the ring during the count, or due to all the fouls that compromised Cooper, or because he took a PED, or because his coach ripped the glove, or finally, a TD he deserved after the fight had been stopped. Cooper's punch in the 4th had been dubbed "a hook that almost changed history". What if the establishment had not protected Ali?
@FightFilms, Excellent commentary! Shows in-depth, insightful understanding of the technical, strategical, psychological & tactical elements of the fight. Well Done. 🙋💈🙏👍
Ali was made. Ali was built up. Ali was constructed as a personality of the so-called "Civil Rights Era". Clay wasn't and isn't "the greatest", but he sure was given more publicity than any other boxer.
Didn't they offer Teofilo Stevenson 1 mil (in 70's money) to defect from Cuba and fight? Perhaps the knew Teofilo knew he'd be better off in the long run staying in Cuba
@@Boxing-d2t Yet both Wlad and Povetkin would put Ali to sleep…….shit, you just watched Ali get chinned by a 185 pound middleweight and needing smelling salts and glove changes to recover….pay attention boy.
Good question, I would say the Mike fanboys. Most of the Mike Tyson fangirls think he forgot everything Angelo Dundee taught him once Dundee passed. That a guy as young as he was suddenly goes out of prime in his mid 20's? Very odd.
@@FakuaBlock what the fuck are you talking about? angelo dundee was never his trainer, Cus D'amato was. Three years in prison without any access to training will make anyone rusty, everyone relies on their trainer to some degree.
Blessed to have found a channel exposing Ali. Yes, great opening Ali fanbase is a cult. And the naysayers and his fanboys haven’t ever watched a fight of his but only his highlights.
Great take. During Ali's 2nd reign as champ Jose Napoles was the WW champ at the time. I've always believed Napoles was so much more talented and technically better than Ali.
Most of Ali's fanboys have never watched a single fight of his. Imagine watching his fights with Cooper and actually believing he would last more than 1 round against Usyk.
@@modernguitarist1992 Analyse the skill level In what reality has any of them showed the skill level of usyk and how unbelievably easy they are to hit How many clean punches are they talking
The dude treated below the belt like a challenge. Mini double speed bag. I’m shocked the ref didn’t pause the Kovalev fight to take a point and allow Kovalev a break.
You can make an hour long video of Ali and his flaws and fanboys still wouldn’t think constructively. They are if not one of the most delusional fanboys of boxing
Ali has always been a overhyped….the chosen one, thé pin-up boy of HW boxing….chosen for what he said/did outside of the ring rather then what he did inside of it….most fighters know this but are scared to publicly admit it due to overzealous retaliation and racism accusations…..
this such an untrue statement its crazy, Ali is one of the youngest heavyweight champions of all time, the only three time lineal heavyweight champion, a gold medalist, has a record comparable to none, won the title back after 3 years of being retired, all while being great outside of the ring too.
The more I study Ali the more I dislike him. Ever since my first impression when I was like 13 years old and saw him vs Foreman on some "old classic fights channel" on TV.
To be fair Usyk had some fights in Ukraine. I think his first 7-9 fights were in Ukraine. But anyway all of his important matches were abroad starting from Glowacki in Poland I believe
One thing ufc fans get right is acknowledging that fighters get better over time, u ain't gonna here anyone say that guys like tim sylvia would beat a tom aspinal or a curtis blaydes, even in my early days of watching boxing i couldnt fathom how a joe frazer would beat a tyson fury or an anthony joshua, ali had a lot of dodgy ones ive only seen the first 2 norton fights and he definitely lost those, if frazer's coach had let him out for the 15th ali would of passed out he shoukd of lost to jimmy young who sucked i think a young ali would honestly have a worse time against any significant belt holders of the last 30 years
@@FightFilmsyou think Anthony Joshua beats Joe Frazier? Hey anything can happen I guess! But in my opinion that’s a load of bullocks! Good video and content though bro! 🥊
Ali fanboys are like Hendrix t shirt wearing fanboys. They don’t play guitar, they have no idea that Hendrix was sloppy and outplayed by guys from his own era and freak out if you say he’s not the goat. Lemme put it this way. Ali is Hendrix guys like Usyk are EVH. It’s not even close skill and talent wise. Does that mean Ali wasn’t a great? Of course not but people gotta chill lol.
"Ali fanboys are like Hendrix t shirt wearing fanboys. They don’t play guitar, they have no idea that Hendrix was sloppy and outplayed by guys from his own era and freak out if you say he’s not the goat. Lemme put it this way. Ali is Hendrix guys like Usyk are EVH. It’s not even close skill and talent wise. Does that mean Ali wasn’t a great? Of course not but people gotta chill lol." facts
Ali had such a weakness to the left hook, Cooper kept nailing it with him as did Fraizer Cooper landed so many of them before Ali's resistance crumbled, its not like he was losing every round and landed a hail mary, there was a pattern to this fight, Cooper was breaking Ali down phyically and eventually he cracked him real good and that's why he got put on his back Now had Cooper not cut up so bad, this fight would have been real interesting going into the second half Remember guys, leave the past in the past, otherwise you might not like what you find I also believe Ali was more about athletisim than anything, that's why Ken Norton also very athletic gave him kittens When someone gets sent to the next stratosphere at the end of the round and is clearly out of it, they don't then come out rejuvenated like that after 1 minute, smelling salts or not. Especially when he hasn't shown that at all in any other round
I've watched many of his fights and rate him but he was not unbeatable. I thought he lost Jimmy Young but got a gift. Usyk has more fights and wins if you look at amateur and professional records.
@@FightFilms Your videos are top notch, Brother. Just well-articulated views and well produced videos. No juvenile name calling and chest pounding like so many of the lesser channels.
Those leaping right hands of Ali's, albsolute Amatuer night, garbage, off balance, he wouldn't last in Cruiser weight never mind against top HW's, he's losing the fight BADLY and fighting like a complete bum.
@@beans3158 Against bums, you don't know boxing at all, that's trash never mind Cooper would be food for any modern HW, and a guy like Beterbiev would take care of his far better. But listen you don't know what your watching, your posting is illogical, you change the subject to meaningless titles? I'm saying Ali is a bum, low quality boxer, you don't like it, feck off.
@@FightFilmshe was on coke after the knock down here. You can’t be great when you are a cheater not even good. He lost every time when the fight was for real and he couldn’t cheat. Getting brain damage at 35 is far from great.
Can you imagine Usyks/Loma style in that era. Ali never faced anyone who would give constant faints, use the lead hand to probe, had fast feet, had a crazy gas tank. He got away with a lot things in his era because of he superior athleticism.
His fans don't only ignore the cheating or the fact they're in a cult. But the fact that Ali was in a cult and his name was given by a cult leader who killed Malcom X, for exposing him and his movement. Ali bad mouthed Malcom after his death and praised his cult leader, in interview from back then all on Yt.
I believe Usyk is the best of this generation and an ATG. I would put Usyk up there with Ali but not above him. This video and the comments looks like an attempt to trash Ali in order to elevate Usyk. But there's no need, anyone who claims Usyk isn't an ATG is clueless, same goes for anyone trashing Ali like his adulation and accolades aren't warranted. Both Great and should be respected and cemented their careers.
@FightFilms I know plenty about Ali, but some Ali fanboys may have triggered you. Now you're on a path to dissect and disparage Ali's career just so you can evaluate Usyk. Was Ali perfect? No. But you and most of the comments are now making out Ali is a fraud and overrated. Both are Great. Ali doesn't have to be trash so Usyk can be the GOAT?
So just to be clear, you know what's in my heart? You are not an honest person. Timestamp any video where I elevated Usyk over Ali in ATG terms, or apologize. Anyone can just say things. Timestamp.
@FightFilms I referred to your comments thread. 90% is trashing Ali like some fraudulent career, with fixed fights, cheating taking away any legitimacy to his accomplishments and legitimacy. All you have to do is go through your comments some of which you have commented on and agreeing to Ali being some sort of cheat.
@@hardcorecasual6608 His fights were mostly trash ( except for the champions, normal rivals came), by today's standards. Sorry, but it's true. If today's champions had "similar fights", they would be lumped in with shit - and deservedly so :) Now the mainstream opinion is that Ali had only champions and excellent opponents. And today's boxers have weak champions and opponents - a weak era! :) This is obviously not true. Tyson was also promoted on weak boxers, but he looked at least great against this weak opposition. But no one in their right mind would say now that Tyson had "ATG opposition" up until Holyfield :) We need to learn to evaluate honestly and adequately. And not engage in double standards and turn a blind eye to obvious flaws in the careers of boxers. Even if it is TOP 1 ATG Heavy Ali :)
For me ali is the greatest because he spoke out on what he believed. But yes, as a fighter he was above average. most heavyweights from the 80s and today would beat him. He had no punching power, bad defense, and always threw the same punches, the jab and one twos, he never even went to the body.
@@sharmindecruz9757 Another stupid comment by a stupid person, shat up moron, did you see punches landing that would have caused that much damage, I don't talk to people, get lost.
not dubois and not foreman . "dubois " modern times VS "foreman " times . different eras , different training and tehniques . for all the good and the bad , modern fights are very different to say the least compared to old ones . i whole heartedly believe if the sport is to survive , 300 years from now is gonna look completely different than in the 50" or the 2000" eras
Dubois : big strong guy with modern training and mid technique. Foreman : big strong guy with dated training and very little technique. Your argument why Foreman is better? Just because "muH FoReMaN iS bEtTeR" ? Yeah right.
@VDViktor Foreman was smashing guys in his 40s during the 90s. Who is Dubois top 3 wins ? Frazier, Norton, Lyle, Moorer, undefeated Savarese. I'm taking this resume over aj and unproven Hrgovic anyday. Lol trash.
I'm surprised that people still use this fight to hate on Ali, the smelling salt and split glove most likely were true, but that's on Angelo Dundee, not Ali. If Dundee hadn't done that, Ali would still be fine and would have continue to dominate as he literally stood up in 3 seconds after the knockdown. And even if Ali got DQ, does that really hurt his resume? Cooper landed a lucky punch and got dominated in the rematch. Also I saw you cherry picked some of the weirdest thing to call Ali a fouls, like saying Ali was using elbow ,shoulder strike,... (anything in a clinch basically) when it was Cooper who rushed into Ali to land power shot, failed and therefore had his face in Ali's shoulder section. One of the thing I saw you claim that Ali was favored and protected. While that might be true in his second career in the 70s, that's definitely not true in the 60s lol. He was hated as hell and a lot of people just came to see him lose. Your analysis is very biased against Ali and that's fine, just please don't be mad when people disagree with you. P/s: if you want to talk about Ali's defensive skill, feel free and I can explain it to you.
It's interesting you call me biased just to accuse Henry of hitting Alis shoulder bone with his eyebrow. How did Cooper lift Ali's shoulder? Then you gloss over blatant lacing and documened PED abuse, insinuating Ali was honorable. Even if all his fouls were accidental, they did cause the injuries, and Cooper wins a TD. Then you ignore the infractions that warranteD a DQ, asking me not to be mad probably because you realize you are full of it. Post a link to your reactions online to modern fighters failing PED tests, Mr. Unbiased.
True, and I put blame mostly on reactors and those YT fight analysts in YT these days not giving Ali that much needed criticism and a pass for his horrible defense! Sure the guy can take damage, and was light on his feet. Ali glazers are the worst also considering this guy refused to answer conscription, which landed him in jail and title stripped, which Joe Frazier was gracious enough to help bail, give him some money and gave him opportunity to fight. Ali in return mocked that man, and he got what he deserved in that 1st fight. Also the same man who changed his name not out of genuine choice for himself, but because some Muslim influenced hi so even when Cassius Clay was a name of a freedom fighter. SMH! 😂
THANK YOU "Ali's footwork was Trash" Thank you, total garbage it was, off balance, throwing jabs while falling over with just amateur like bouncing, yep pure garbage. This era was GARBAGE.
Good stuff as usual, PP. Yeah Ali & Joe Louis both outweighed their opponents in the majority of their fights. Most fans don't even realize this. Historically they're considered to be the 2 greatest heavyweights ever. Minor correction though (@7:30). Ali was actually *21½ lbs heavier* than Cooper in the first fight not 18. 😂 Usyk really is levels above Ali fundamentally as well as tactically. He still make mistakes at times like any other fighter. However, as you said, generally it isn't easy to catch him clean especially with power shots.
Great video, I said it on your other video, Henry Cooper was a drunk he'd of been drinking during camp. Cooper was robbed of victory against the loud mouth hype job.
Normally, I love your videos precise and the excellence of your work, but this is too hypthetical for my tastes. No problem though, your insights are still among the best out there.
Ali throws a right completely off balance falls forward head exposed? Beterbiev would knock him out for that kind of shite, i won't entertain Ali as a rule with anyone, this tiny LHW outboxed him easily.
Ali has a dangerous style but it's not unpolished, cooper is not a light heavyweight either (zero professional fights as one) Ali and jersey joe wallcott throw the same jabs, it's not meant to hurt someone rather to gain points and disorient them.
@@beans3158 DERP DERP ofcourse he's a LHW now, in this era he would be a LHW, are all youtubers stupid? He's tiny, Beterbiev has fought better opponents.
So Mr. narrator and content creator, how about when the Champ gave Henry Cooper a fair shot some 3 years later when he was heavyweight champion of the world he gave the man a shot at his title to rectify that controversial first fight... And then the great Muhammad Ali did was he stopped Henry Cooper in the same fashion, with the same cut over his eyes, just to make guys like you eat it... And Muhammad did it this time around without the gloves cut controversy... The only critique that Muhammad Ali really deserve is hom not being able to beat his true kryptonite Kenny Norton...
@FightFilms Excuse me sir, but I really don't think I need to look up the word "rectify" in the dictionary... Because I already know that "rectify" means to correct, to put right, or to set the wrong to right... And I think the rematch for the heavyweight title given to Henry Cooper did exactly that, Mr. Oxford University 😂🤣😂... Hey respectfully sir, I'd love to have a debate with you on anything about Muhammad Ali... And and I can do it without trying to convince you to like Muhammad Ali because I know it's nothing but hatred towards him, but never the less I think you're missing the bigger picture...
foreman didn't take a dive he was gassed, norton is ali's kryptonite and a complete stylistic nightmare for him, he was never beating him convincingly.
Yeah I don't question Ali's heart the debate came when ppl were puting down usyk criticizing him and it's fair to criticize Ali's fights but the whole war thing Im with Ali Ali was special usyk is special too . Its a different era Ali and usyk are both legends it will take more time for usyk to get his respect but I love Ali put ppl in there place was funny . Usyk is hilarious too. there is more then just the ring which makes you special and both Ali and usyk stand for what they believe they are more alike then you think . They are even same height reach same birthday coincidence?
From watching many of Ali's fights I feel okay with saying Usyk is the favourite. Its just a dream match-up that cannot possibly happen. Well, maybe ai can eventually get to the point of that from analysing fight footage.
Ali is insanely tough but usyk would be an absolute nightmare for him, Ali struggled with southpaws at his peak and usyk is a lot bigger and way more advanced than any left handed person during that era.
Yeah I don't question Ali's heart the debate came when ppl were puting down usyk criticizing him and it's fair to criticize Ali's fights but the whole war thing Im with Ali Ali was special usyk is special too . Its a different era Ali and usyk are both legends it will take more time for usyk to get his respect but I love Ali put ppl in there place was funny . Usyk is hilarious too. there is more then just the ring which makes you special and both Ali and usyk stand for what they believe they are more alike then you think . They are even same height reach same birthday coincidence? 55:42
I like the point about how if you call him an all time great that it is fair to compare everyone to him that is exactly what you are doing wen you call him great. Now don’t get me wrong, if you look at resume, I think Ali has a strong case for being the greatest, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think that some fighters may have beaten him. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think that usyk may have beaten Ali or that Ali may have beaten usyk, I really don’t know who I would have pick in a mythical match up. But the Ali fans get in an uproar if you even suggest that Ali may have been mortal, but I feel like that was part of his greatness was thy he could beat guys who had advantages over him and found a way to win. Ali fans rarely can give technical reasons for why he would beat fighters from other generations, instead they have vague answers like, Ali was the greatest, or Ali was too smart. There is a misconception that Ali was more intelligent than his opponents because he was one of the early heavyweights to use a elusive footwork. But that dose not mean he was more intelligent, honestly I think that is more athleticism than intelligence. Iam not trying to down play Ali, and I am ok with the idea that he was the greatest but in my opinion Ali gets a lot of credit because he was so many fans favorite and that is fine but in my opinion there is definatly a case to be made for joe Lewis or Lenox lewis. Let’s also not forget about Larry Holmes who in my opinion dose not have the resume to be considered the greatest but if we are just talking about who would have won in mythical matchups , there is not one fighter that I could say with absolute certainty would have beaten a prime Larry Holmes.
The very 1st of THE AMERICANIZED GREATEST....HE WAS BEING BULLIED AN OUTCLASSED BY THAT GUY.HE GOT HIS AZZ WHOOPED ...HE GOT THE GOOD OLD AMERICAN BLESSINGS
Imagine Mike Tyson vs Ali, it would be a massacre! Tyson's favorite weapon was the left hook, and obviously it was Ali's main weakness in defence Tyson would have been 15 kgs heavier, much faster and more powerful than Light Heavyweight Cooper too.
Muhammad Ali had a prime from 1964-1975. From Sonny Liston to the 3rd Joe frazier fight. He was not elite outside of that. i havent seen you critisize prime ali only the pre liston and post frazier 3 versions. you have to look at an athlete at their best. the jimmy young fight, and third norton fights arent prime Ali either
@@FightFilms he had no defense despite his entire style being counter based? ali is amazing at disturbing force and turning his face to avoid punches, even during his later career he used a high guard when he couldn't dance as long.
Ive been saying for years that something about the Foreman fight isnt right,how does a guy who is suppose to be knocked out look up at the ref then jump up at the count of ten.Had he really been knocked out his lights would have been totally closed as in goodnight.
when you're fatigued it's a lot easier to be knocked out or put down, I don't think foreman was ever rocked, just too tired to understand what was going on until it was too late.
@ yeah that’s fair but its happened in a lot of fights, foreman had a similar issue with young though from what I remember he was told to take it easy to extend the fight.
@FightFilms You got plenty of evidence all over TH-cam over the controversial low blow. Usyk was on the floor longer than Ali was on the floor in all of his combined knockdowns from Banks to Wepner. Why you talking about Ali alone and not mentioning the other greats and how they would have fared in this era? You not mentioning Jack Johnson, Jim Jefferies, Joe Louis, Dempsey, Rocky, Tyson, etc. You all Ali this Ali that.
If you can’t see that 1 Dubois punched him below the belt line and that 2 anything below the belt line is illegal (AKA low blow), you’re not worth arguing with.
He's not an ATG and Tyson would KO not just him but Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Louis, Jack Johnson, Sullivan and even Lennox, had he got him at the right time. What's your point?
@@FightFilms Tyson knocking out Foreman? George Foreman, who employed the same tricks Buster Douglas utilized no nulify Tyson's fight system? Plus, Foreman had a better chin and far more power.
I'd argue that Ali actually fought in a weaker Heavyweight era than that of the 90s, 2000s, and the 2020s. I'd argue guys like Jose Napoles were more talented and technically far better than Ali but Napoles was a Welterweight and didn't fit the mold of an American civil rights icon. Usually there is a higher level of talent between 135-160 than there is at heavyweight, but you will occasionally have very overrated ww eras like the one that just concluded while conversely having strong heavyweight eras like the one we have now.
@FightFilms haha. Great content as always. Nice to see someone actually being honest. It would only make sense that fighters would advance with time, especially as sports science has advanced so much and psychology. I think people cling onto these eras because everyone fought everyone. Now there are too many politics involved. Did you see that Usyk is seriously considering retirement?
23 fights lol. Usyk is a great fighter I’m not a hater like you but it’s a lot of people who will be rather ahead of usyk on an all time list. If Americans were boxing instead of being interested in football and basketball you wouldn’t have heard on usyk. Make a video about that
@@billybucks8234 Ali's era was full of bums. An American domestic league of slow, flat footed cave men with no skill. Dave Allen would be undisputed champion in that era.
Y'all up in here must have been smoking something..😆😆. It's a color thing with you jokers I get it but the facts are none of y'all could get to the belt at that time and Ali was the champ and ducked no one. Cooper was nothing but one of the many bums Ali ended up whipping on his way to the championship. Cooper at the end of the day was just a BUM..stop making excuses and bow to the Greatest of all time Muhammad Ali !!🤴🏽🤴🏽
There was no glove change. The Brits knew Ali was hurt and didn't want a break. They wanted Cooper to get at him. But Ali recovered with the minute's rest -- actually 64 seconds. Cooper ripped Ali with left hooks in the first round, and also won the fourth with a 2-point knockdown. If a technical decision had been rendered at that point Cooper would have won a UTD. His eye was messed up badly He caught Ali with a savage left hook in the 4th but couldn't take advantage of it because there were 3 seconds left in the round. When Ali got to his feet the bell had sounded and Dundee jumped into the ring. You didn't get a standing 8-count if the bell rang during the count. It was up to the boxer to make it to his corner.
I haven't found a shred of evidence for your claim re: glove, so provide it. This was not a standing 8 count, as he did go down, but a MANDATORY 8 count, meaning ref MUST count to 8 and "a fighter can't be saved by the bell". Doesn't matter that the round ended. Ref must count to 8 by mandate.
@@FightFilms Most of the UK adopted the mandatory 8-count around 1949, but the thought was a boxer getting up at 2, 3, or 4, a second or 2 after the bell rang has a full minute to recover. His corner can make the decision if he's alert and cognizant enough after a full minute's rest to come out for the next round. They knew the glove was torn, but didn't want to interrupt the action th-cam.com/video/8hwn2mqNI1I/w-d-xo.html to give Clay a long rest which a glove change would do. You can see the full 4-5 round rest period.
we're in revelations 9. PROVERBS- you can catch a lizard by the hand' yet they are found in kings palaces. Should also say found on YOU TUBE. Shame I can't see you then I could see the hand symbols. Your time is short.
@FightFilms seek satan. I ask you, do you worship CHRIST? that name only. Do you put him above all else? Do you put him above satan and 72 fallen angels. Is CHRUST your savour? I won't get a answer.
Watch this 1 on the big tv....ALI was bullied around the whole fight....got extremely luck with the cut in the beginning. HE GOT KNOCKED OUT....THERES NO WAY HE GOT UP THAT FAST.THE VIDEO WAS EDITED ALONG TIME AGO.
Anyone who knows anything about boxing knows SALAVDOR SANCHEZ was the best of all time after Robinson. Ali could mix it any era. As for this time no one could beat him. TYSON in prime may be, Lewis and bowe, yes. Frazier would dismantle all heavyweights of today along with Foreman and Holmes. Take them all of Peds and fighters of today would not hear final bell. Take them off those imagine how poor they be when they are already mediocre. like USYK could beat Mike Tyson, Holmes, Frazier, Foreman, Tyson, Lewis, Bowe and Holyfield name a few. They would dismantle him. Chisora is no great and he had USKY in all problems. He is below average. Even USKY PEDS would not help him against who I said. U think he could bully them. Imagine Liston against him. A young Liston not the one who was way older than he was or the one who took 2 dives. He would man handle Usky. Foreman lifted Frazier off his feet with upper cut and u think USKY could handle him. Delusional
Usyk has 23 fights. Have you looked at usyk opponents record? Usyk best win came from fury. I can name a lot of fighters who would beat usyk. Usyk wouldn’t beat ray Mercer
@@billybucks8234 I think usyk would absolutely outbox mercer, though I don't agree with this dudes logic at all "Usyk never lost = better" which is crazy considering he's had less than half of ali's fights, Ali also fought several other champions too.
How come today's era never mention the greatest fighter ever marchegiano. He beat Ali up , dropped him with a body punch sparring for the computer fight. Ali pissed him off. Ask Lou duva he was there.they are not allowed to talk about it. I guess because it would tarnish Ali. Marciano was 45 years old.
Because Maricano stated by everyone he ever knew, sucked, and sucked badly, every guy he fought was either a journeymen or an old ATG way past their prime (basically journeymen status) and even with all that he still was getting dominated until landing lucky shots and knocking them out; He was carried by his power and immense toughness i'll give him that but boxing wise he gets dominated by every champ of any era in their prime (maybe not Ruiz or Charles Martin)
Imagine TPTB did right by Cooper and gave him a TKO after Ali was out on his feet or failed to answer the bell for the 5th or, DQ after his seconds entered the ring during the count, or due to all the fouls that compromised Cooper, or because he took a PED, or because his coach ripped the glove, or finally, a TD he deserved after the fight had been stopped. Cooper's punch in the 4th had been dubbed "a hook that almost changed history". What if the establishment had not protected Ali?
U are the best boxing analyst on youtube. Great breakdown of the actual videos of the fight and getting inside the moves of each fighter!
@FightFilms, Excellent commentary! Shows in-depth, insightful understanding of the technical, strategical, psychological & tactical elements of the fight. Well Done.
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Thank you!
Glad you like!
@@FightFilms, Like it? I loved it. You stopped the action at precise moments, & broke it down, shot for shot, hands, body position, etc. Great !👍
Ali was made. Ali was built up. Ali was constructed as a personality of the so-called "Civil Rights Era". Clay wasn't and isn't "the greatest", but he sure was given more publicity than any other boxer.
Yep. He was a manufactured actor with a rigged career.
Many of his fights were fixed.
And knowing how dirty Ali and his team were, Foreman might have been drugged in their fight too.
@@jay.watchman9986 Probably. The establishment was against Foreman that night.
Nonesense
Cmon Ali ATG only for Americans. He never faced boxers from Soviet Union and East Blok.
Exactly….no Klitschko, Povetkin or Usyk of his era
@@SenseiLawrence-1wlad lost to 3 bums Povetkin lost to Eddie chambers haha
@@SenseiLawrence-1 Povetkin is bum. Klitcho, Usyk, Golovkin, LOma, Kovalev of HIS ERA.
Didn't they offer Teofilo Stevenson 1 mil (in 70's money) to defect from Cuba and fight?
Perhaps the knew Teofilo knew he'd be better off in the long run staying in Cuba
@@Boxing-d2t Yet both Wlad and Povetkin would put Ali to sleep…….shit, you just watched Ali get chinned by a 185 pound middleweight and needing smelling salts and glove changes to recover….pay attention boy.
Don't know who's more deluded
Ali fan boys or Mike's fan boys
Obviously Mike's.
Good question, I would say the Mike fanboys. Most of the Mike Tyson fangirls think he forgot everything Angelo Dundee taught him once Dundee passed. That a guy as young as he was suddenly goes out of prime in his mid 20's? Very odd.
@@FakuaBlock what the fuck are you talking about? angelo dundee was never his trainer, Cus D'amato was. Three years in prison without any access to training will make anyone rusty, everyone relies on their trainer to some degree.
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I think you mean Cus D'amato. D'amato invented the peek-a-boo style and taught it to Tyson. Dundee was Ali's trainer.
Blessed to have found a channel exposing Ali.
Yes, great opening Ali fanbase is a cult.
And the naysayers and his fanboys haven’t ever watched a fight of his but only his highlights.
Great take. During Ali's 2nd reign as champ Jose Napoles was the WW champ at the time. I've always believed Napoles was so much more talented and technically better than Ali.
Most of Ali's fanboys have never watched a single fight of his. Imagine watching his fights with Cooper and actually believing he would last more than 1 round against Usyk.
He'd last IMO. Not win. But yeah, if they saw the fights, it was with rose-colored glasses.
@@FightFilmsi gut usyk by wide ud maybe a knockdown
This is comical. Usyk has never once faced a man as dangerous as Foreman or Liston. And Ali dominated both of them.
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Analyse the skill level
In what reality has any of them showed the skill level of usyk and how unbelievably easy they are to hit
How many clean punches are they talking
@@modernguitarist1992 Foreman and Liston never faced anyone with such ring IQ and technique as Usyk. So? Your point?
I was rewatching some andre ward fights
There is no question he deserves the title of goat 🐐 more than anyone
Billy goat that is 🐐
not gonna lie , had me in the first half , good one
Lol
He was another one who made a career out of being parked in Oakland and always a judge's and referee's favorite. A legendary weasel he was.
He looked so surprised when they Didn't say, "And the Winner by unanimous decision... Sergey Kovalov!
The dude treated below the belt like a challenge. Mini double speed bag. I’m shocked the ref didn’t pause the Kovalev fight to take a point and allow Kovalev a break.
You can make an hour long video of Ali and his flaws and fanboys still wouldn’t think constructively. They are if not one of the most delusional fanboys of boxing
Only Tyson fans can argue with Ali fans in terms of inadequacy :)
@@СашаІванов-л5ц makes sense being that they’re one of the most overhyped boxers in history
Ali has always been a overhyped….the chosen one, thé pin-up boy of HW boxing….chosen for what he said/did outside of the ring rather then what he did inside of it….most fighters know this but are scared to publicly admit it due to overzealous retaliation and racism accusations…..
this such an untrue statement its crazy, Ali is one of the youngest heavyweight champions of all time, the only three time lineal heavyweight champion, a gold medalist, has a record comparable to none, won the title back after 3 years of being retired, all while being great outside of the ring too.
@@beans3158This channel is absolutely crazy
Ali wasnt chosen, he work and earned his way. How was he chosen and got banned for 3 years? Foolishness.
Yeah...overhyped to being a three time World Heavyweight Champion and beat every contender and champion to get there! Yeah..overhyped...lol
@@sharmindecruz9757 These are the Ali haterz..just poppin' smack because their hero wasn't considered "THE GREATEST"
🤣🤣🤣 keep exposing and unbrainwashing the lies of the past.
The more I study Ali the more I dislike him. Ever since my first impression when I was like 13 years old and saw him vs Foreman on some "old classic fights channel" on TV.
To be fair Usyk had some fights in Ukraine. I think his first 7-9 fights were in Ukraine. But anyway all of his important matches were abroad starting from Glowacki in Poland I believe
Right. lower level fights.
It was the American guy first if I remember correctly then Glowacki.
After Clay treated Joe Frazier the way he did knowing Joe Frazier fed Clay's family while Clay was in prison.
Ali's treatment was probably just for show, allowing both guys to cash in. Ypu could be right, but I would not read into such theater much.
Yeah that was fucked. I get Ali was trying to sell the fight, but Frazier didn't get it, and he should have respected that
Stop the lies, joe never fed ali family. Smh
It's even worse than you said because it was a 22 lbs. advantage, not 18 lbs. Another entire weight division in some cases. lol
One thing ufc fans get right is acknowledging that fighters get better over time, u ain't gonna here anyone say that guys like tim sylvia would beat a tom aspinal or a curtis blaydes, even in my early days of watching boxing i couldnt fathom how a joe frazer would beat a tyson fury or an anthony joshua, ali had a lot of dodgy ones ive only seen the first 2 norton fights and he definitely lost those, if frazer's coach had let him out for the 15th ali would of passed out he shoukd of lost to jimmy young who sucked i think a young ali would honestly have a worse time against any significant belt holders of the last 30 years
Athletes in all sports do. Just not boxing. Makes sense.
Id still argue Fedor beats em all😅... But I'm a casual mma fan so ftw
@@FightFilmsyou think Anthony Joshua beats Joe Frazier? Hey anything can happen I guess! But in my opinion that’s a load of bullocks! Good video and content though bro! 🥊
Ali fanboys are like Hendrix t shirt wearing fanboys. They don’t play guitar, they have no idea that Hendrix was sloppy and outplayed by guys from his own era and freak out if you say he’s not the goat. Lemme put it this way. Ali is Hendrix guys like Usyk are EVH. It’s not even close skill and talent wise. Does that mean Ali wasn’t a great? Of course not but people gotta chill lol.
Hard core fanboys look at the expressiveness, showmanship, confidence, decorum and confuse it with substance.
Huh? EVH wouldn’t have played what he did without Hendrix dude.
@@psychrubus4503 right.
"Ali fanboys are like Hendrix t shirt wearing fanboys. They don’t play guitar, they have no idea that Hendrix was sloppy and outplayed by guys from his own era and freak out if you say he’s not the goat. Lemme put it this way. Ali is Hendrix guys like Usyk are EVH. It’s not even close skill and talent wise. Does that mean Ali wasn’t a great? Of course not but people gotta chill lol." facts
Spot on! Nice job, once again,
Ali had such a weakness to the left hook, Cooper kept nailing it with him as did Fraizer
Cooper landed so many of them before Ali's resistance crumbled, its not like he was losing every round and landed a hail mary, there was a pattern to this fight, Cooper was breaking Ali down phyically and eventually he cracked him real good and that's why he got put on his back
Now had Cooper not cut up so bad, this fight would have been real interesting going into the second half
Remember guys, leave the past in the past, otherwise you might not like what you find
I also believe Ali was more about athletisim than anything, that's why Ken Norton also very athletic gave him kittens
When someone gets sent to the next stratosphere at the end of the round and is clearly out of it, they don't then come out rejuvenated like that after 1 minute, smelling salts or not. Especially when he hasn't shown that at all in any other round
I've watched many of his fights and rate him but he was not unbeatable. I thought he lost Jimmy Young but got a gift. Usyk has more fights and wins if you look at amateur and professional records.
He got quite a few gifts, but also legitimately beat top fighters.
@@FightFilms Your videos are top notch, Brother. Just well-articulated views and well produced videos. No juvenile name calling and chest pounding like so many of the lesser channels.
Those leaping right hands of Ali's, albsolute Amatuer night, garbage, off balance, he wouldn't last in Cruiser weight never mind against top HW's, he's losing the fight BADLY and fighting like a complete bum.
Yes, absolutely amateur but won the title 3 times and started off his career with a gold medal, definitely a bum and not you being delusional.
@@beans3158 Against bums, you don't know boxing at all, that's trash never mind Cooper would be food for any modern HW, and a guy like Beterbiev would take care of his far better. But listen you don't know what your watching, your posting is illogical, you change the subject to meaningless titles? I'm saying Ali is a bum, low quality boxer, you don't like it, feck off.
Biggest fraud ever this Ali guy
Nah....not the biggest. He had a very propped up career, though. Industry plant.
How was he a plant? The man started boxing at 12 years old,won olympic gold at 18. That is nowhere close to being a plant. Smh
@@FightFilmshe was on coke after the knock down here. You can’t be great when you are a cheater not even good. He lost every time when the fight was for real and he couldn’t cheat. Getting brain damage at 35 is far from great.
Great video bud. Liked and subscribed 👍
Thanks for the sub!
Can you imagine Usyks/Loma style in that era. Ali never faced anyone who would give constant faints, use the lead hand to probe, had fast feet, had a crazy gas tank. He got away with a lot things in his era because of he superior athleticism.
And rigged fights.
YOU ARE A FOOL! Usyk against Ali!!!!! Lol!
I been saying this for the longest time. Finally people making videos about it.
Ali ain't that good.
Evidence: Fight films 😊
His fans don't only ignore the cheating or the fact they're in a cult. But the fact that Ali was in a cult and his name was given by a cult leader who killed Malcom X, for exposing him and his movement. Ali bad mouthed Malcom after his death and praised his cult leader, in interview from back then all on Yt.
I believe Usyk is the best of this generation and an ATG. I would put Usyk up there with Ali but not above him. This video and the comments looks like an attempt to trash Ali in order to elevate Usyk. But there's no need, anyone who claims Usyk isn't an ATG is clueless, same goes for anyone trashing Ali like his adulation and accolades aren't warranted.
Both Great and should be respected and cemented their careers.
Toxic positivity isn't necessarily the truth. There is a lot about Ali you don't seem to know.
@FightFilms I know plenty about Ali, but some Ali fanboys may have triggered you. Now you're on a path to dissect and disparage Ali's career just so you can evaluate Usyk. Was Ali perfect? No. But you and most of the comments are now making out Ali is a fraud and overrated.
Both are Great. Ali doesn't have to be trash so Usyk can be the GOAT?
So just to be clear, you know what's in my heart? You are not an honest person. Timestamp any video where I elevated Usyk over Ali in ATG terms, or apologize. Anyone can just say things. Timestamp.
@FightFilms I referred to your comments thread. 90% is trashing Ali like some fraudulent career, with fixed fights, cheating taking away any legitimacy to his accomplishments and legitimacy.
All you have to do is go through your comments some of which you have commented on and agreeing to Ali being some sort of cheat.
@@hardcorecasual6608 His fights were mostly trash ( except for the champions, normal rivals came), by today's standards. Sorry, but it's true. If today's champions had "similar fights", they would be lumped in with shit - and deservedly so :)
Now the mainstream opinion is that Ali had only champions and excellent opponents. And today's boxers have weak champions and opponents - a weak era! :) This is obviously not true.
Tyson was also promoted on weak boxers, but he looked at least great against this weak opposition. But no one in their right mind would say now that Tyson had "ATG opposition" up until Holyfield :)
We need to learn to evaluate honestly and adequately. And not engage in double standards and turn a blind eye to obvious flaws in the careers of boxers. Even if it is TOP 1 ATG Heavy Ali :)
For me ali is the greatest because he spoke out on what he believed. But yes, as a fighter he was above average. most heavyweights from the 80s and today would beat him. He had no punching power, bad defense, and always threw the same punches, the jab and one twos, he never even went to the body.
hmm, but as we know from recent times "a basic 1-2 boxer cannot be considered an ATG" :D
Well we know from our eyes that Ali didn't cut Cooper with punches, that much is a clear.
nope
Cooper cut himself then?
@@sharmindecruz9757 Head clash.
@@sharmindecruz9757 Another stupid comment by a stupid person, shat up moron, did you see punches landing that would have caused that much damage, I don't talk to people, get lost.
Thank you!! Great great great
Ridiculous video. Then again its expected from someone who thinks Dubois is better than Foreman. Cooper did not KO Ali. That is beyond comical.
not dubois and not foreman . "dubois " modern times VS "foreman " times . different eras , different training and tehniques . for all the good and the bad , modern fights are very different to say the least compared to old ones . i whole heartedly believe if the sport is to survive , 300 years from now is gonna look completely different than in the 50" or the 2000" eras
Dubois : big strong guy with modern training and mid technique.
Foreman : big strong guy with dated training and very little technique.
Your argument why Foreman is better? Just because "muH FoReMaN iS bEtTeR" ? Yeah right.
And yet you didn't (because you can't) provide a single counter argument against it. Go figure.
@VDViktor Foreman was smashing guys in his 40s during the 90s. Who is Dubois top 3 wins ?
Frazier, Norton, Lyle, Moorer, undefeated Savarese. I'm taking this resume over aj and unproven Hrgovic anyday. Lol trash.
You talk a lot but make no arguments, provide no evidence. And, you reject facts, reason, arguments off hand. Amazing.
I'm surprised that people still use this fight to hate on Ali, the smelling salt and split glove most likely were true, but that's on Angelo Dundee, not Ali. If Dundee hadn't done that, Ali would still be fine and would have continue to dominate as he literally stood up in 3 seconds after the knockdown. And even if Ali got DQ, does that really hurt his resume? Cooper landed a lucky punch and got dominated in the rematch.
Also I saw you cherry picked some of the weirdest thing to call Ali a fouls, like saying Ali was using elbow ,shoulder strike,... (anything in a clinch basically) when it was Cooper who rushed into Ali to land power shot, failed and therefore had his face in Ali's shoulder section.
One of the thing I saw you claim that Ali was favored and protected. While that might be true in his second career in the 70s, that's definitely not true in the 60s lol. He was hated as hell and a lot of people just came to see him lose.
Your analysis is very biased against Ali and that's fine, just please don't be mad when people disagree with you.
P/s: if you want to talk about Ali's defensive skill, feel free and I can explain it to you.
It's interesting you call me biased just to accuse Henry of hitting Alis shoulder bone with his eyebrow. How did Cooper lift Ali's shoulder? Then you gloss over blatant lacing and documened PED abuse, insinuating Ali was honorable. Even if all his fouls were accidental, they did cause the injuries, and Cooper wins a TD. Then you ignore the infractions that warranteD a DQ, asking me not to be mad probably because you realize you are full of it. Post a link to your reactions online to modern fighters failing PED tests, Mr. Unbiased.
Olso video says cooper beat ali thrice when they only faught 2 times.... weird.
True, and I put blame mostly on reactors and those YT fight analysts in YT these days not giving Ali that much needed criticism and a pass for his horrible defense! Sure the guy can take damage, and was light on his feet. Ali glazers are the worst also considering this guy refused to answer conscription, which landed him in jail and title stripped, which Joe Frazier was gracious enough to help bail, give him some money and gave him opportunity to fight. Ali in return mocked that man, and he got what he deserved in that 1st fight. Also the same man who changed his name not out of genuine choice for himself, but because some Muslim influenced hi so even when Cassius Clay was a name of a freedom fighter. SMH! 😂
THANK YOU "Ali's footwork was Trash" Thank you, total garbage it was, off balance, throwing jabs while falling over with just amateur like bouncing, yep pure garbage. This era was GARBAGE.
Ali had the best legs , footwork. You are just a hater . Ali is rated number one and you are a nobody
@@billybucks8234 Modern boxing is leagues above.
Never a good thing to treat a boxer as a god.
Usyk faught Dubious at home and debately Dubious was robbed of a KO....
you made ALL of it up
Incredible analysis
Good stuff as usual, PP. Yeah Ali & Joe Louis both outweighed their opponents in the majority of their fights. Most fans don't even realize this. Historically they're considered to be the 2 greatest heavyweights ever. Minor correction though (@7:30). Ali was actually *21½ lbs heavier* than Cooper in the first fight not 18. 😂 Usyk really is levels above Ali fundamentally as well as tactically. He still make mistakes at times like any other fighter. However, as you said, generally it isn't easy to catch him clean especially with power shots.
Ali trying to hold onto Chisora, yeah not going to work. 260 pounds
Great video, I said it on your other video, Henry Cooper was a drunk he'd of been drinking during camp. Cooper was robbed of victory against the loud mouth hype job.
Normally, I love your videos precise and the excellence of your work, but this is too hypthetical for my tastes. No problem though, your insights are still among the best out there.
What is hypothetical?
Facts are no hypothesis.
Dam I like these videos, great work.
Happy New Year Boss.
Thanks!
It's such a dogma even fighters are unconfortable telling he's not the best ever in every imaginable aspect of the game beside power
Ali throws a right completely off balance falls forward head exposed? Beterbiev would knock him out for that kind of shite, i won't entertain Ali as a rule with anyone, this tiny LHW outboxed him easily.
Ali has a dangerous style but it's not unpolished, cooper is not a light heavyweight either (zero professional fights as one) Ali and jersey joe wallcott throw the same jabs, it's not meant to hurt someone rather to gain points and disorient them.
Cooper did not Outbox ali though. You did not watch the fight
@@beans3158 DERP DERP ofcourse he's a LHW now, in this era he would be a LHW, are all youtubers stupid? He's tiny, Beterbiev has fought better opponents.
@@Proletariat-u8o You're a dumbass, he'd be a cruiserweight and never once weighed in under 180.
So Mr. narrator and content creator, how about when the Champ gave Henry Cooper a fair shot some 3 years later when he was heavyweight champion of the world he gave the man a shot at his title to rectify that controversial first fight...
And then the great Muhammad Ali did was he stopped Henry Cooper in the same fashion, with the same cut over his eyes, just to make guys like you eat it...
And Muhammad did it this time around without the gloves cut controversy...
The only critique that Muhammad Ali really deserve is hom not being able to beat his true kryptonite Kenny Norton...
You seem emotionally-involved. Look up "rectify" in the dictionary.
@FightFilms
Excuse me sir, but I really don't think I need to look up the word "rectify" in the dictionary...
Because I already know that "rectify" means to correct, to put right, or to set the wrong to right...
And I think the rematch for the heavyweight title given to Henry Cooper did exactly that, Mr. Oxford University 😂🤣😂...
Hey respectfully sir, I'd love to have a debate with you on anything about Muhammad Ali...
And and I can do it without trying to convince you to like Muhammad Ali because I know it's nothing but hatred towards him, but never the less I think you're missing the bigger picture...
Cooper was bum! lol. These jokers don't like facts bro, they live live large in their own heads🤣
@nagone11
Bum or not, Henny Cooper was ranked number 6 in the world when he fought his rematch against Muhammad Ali in 1966 for the title...
@@claydogmadman6295 He was a bum..what counted was..what was going on over in the good old USA!
lost twice to norton, 1 draw. foreman took a dive...
foreman didn't take a dive he was gassed, norton is ali's kryptonite and a complete stylistic nightmare for him, he was never beating him convincingly.
Ali's jab is trash lol, can't hit shit with it.
You clearly know nothing about boxing. Ali had one of the best jabs ever.
Ali has the second best jab of all time behind larry holmes (at heavyweight)
@@billybucks8234 Nope. He sucked.
The amount of garbage spouted on this channel is unbelievable.
@@soul2soul4 Prove it.
and let's not forget Ali ran from his military duty because he was scared of being killed not because he was making a stand for human rights.
Okay bro just shut up
Ali has more heart than you ever would
@ clowns like him don’t even deserve a response
look at this Ali fangirl mad. lolololol. Ali ran from a war when others had to go. FACT! Now keep crying like a lil B
Yeah I don't question Ali's heart the debate came when ppl were puting down usyk criticizing him and it's fair to criticize Ali's fights but the whole war thing Im with Ali Ali was special usyk is special too . Its a different era Ali and usyk are both legends it will take more time for usyk to get his respect but I love Ali put ppl in there place was funny . Usyk is hilarious too. there is more then just the ring which makes you special and both Ali and usyk stand for what they believe they are more alike then you think . They are even same height reach same birthday coincidence?
Just wondering who is your top 5 Heavyweights???
I don't have a top 5 anything list. That would be too much work.
Usyk got 23 fights and usyk had bigger fighters to fight but not better
Evidence?
Why you bringing up old shit 🤣
From watching many of Ali's fights I feel okay with saying Usyk is the favourite. Its just a dream match-up that cannot possibly happen. Well, maybe ai can eventually get to the point of that from analysing fight footage.
Ali is insanely tough but usyk would be an absolute nightmare for him, Ali struggled with southpaws at his peak and usyk is a lot bigger and way more advanced than any left handed person during that era.
John L. Sullivan would’ve beat Ali.
Muhammad won. That victory is and will still be in his records for years to come while this channel will fade in to irrelevance. Now that's a fact.
If I fade into irrelevance, nothing will change. You, however, will still be mad.
So Cooper was a Light Heavy Weight, decently skilled, but woulndn't Cooper be fighting the likes of guys LIke Beterbiev?
Yeah I don't question Ali's heart the debate came when ppl were puting down usyk criticizing him and it's fair to criticize Ali's fights but the whole war thing Im with Ali Ali was special usyk is special too . Its a different era Ali and usyk are both legends it will take more time for usyk to get his respect but I love Ali put ppl in there place was funny . Usyk is hilarious too. there is more then just the ring which makes you special and both Ali and usyk stand for what they believe they are more alike then you think . They are even same height reach same birthday coincidence? 55:42
I like the point about how if you call him an all time great that it is fair to compare everyone to him that is exactly what you are doing wen you call him great. Now don’t get me wrong, if you look at resume, I think Ali has a strong case for being the greatest, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think that some fighters may have beaten him. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think that usyk may have beaten Ali or that Ali may have beaten usyk, I really don’t know who I would have pick in a mythical match up. But the Ali fans get in an uproar if you even suggest that Ali may have been mortal, but I feel like that was part of his greatness was thy he could beat guys who had advantages over him and found a way to win. Ali fans rarely can give technical reasons for why he would beat fighters from other generations, instead they have vague answers like, Ali was the greatest, or Ali was too smart. There is a misconception that Ali was more intelligent than his opponents because he was one of the early heavyweights to use a elusive footwork. But that dose not mean he was more intelligent, honestly I think that is more athleticism than intelligence. Iam not trying to down play Ali, and I am ok with the idea that he was the greatest but in my opinion Ali gets a lot of credit because he was so many fans favorite and that is fine but in my opinion there is definatly a case to be made for joe Lewis or Lenox lewis. Let’s also not forget about Larry Holmes who in my opinion dose not have the resume to be considered the greatest but if we are just talking about who would have won in mythical matchups , there is not one fighter that I could say with absolute certainty would have beaten a prime Larry Holmes.
I consider that Cooper one a loss, and that doesn't take away from Ali for me at all. His style is still one of the coolest and most entertaining.
The very 1st of THE AMERICANIZED GREATEST....HE WAS BEING BULLIED AN OUTCLASSED BY THAT GUY.HE GOT HIS AZZ WHOOPED ...HE GOT THE GOOD OLD AMERICAN BLESSINGS
Imagine Mike Tyson vs Ali, it would be a massacre! Tyson's favorite weapon was the left hook, and obviously it was Ali's main weakness in defence
Tyson would have been 15 kgs heavier, much faster and more powerful than Light Heavyweight Cooper too.
Ali was very susceptible to the jab. The "greatest era" guys just didn't jab.
@FightFilms Cooper and Frazier seemed to have the most success tho (especially Cooper). Left hooks on the inside.
@FightFilms and Frazier wasn't even that good, a swinging slugger with trash technique.
@@FightFilmsListon, Foreman, Holmes, Norton... all jabbed a lot.
Muhammad Ali had a prime from 1964-1975. From Sonny Liston to the 3rd Joe frazier fight. He was not elite outside of that. i havent seen you critisize prime ali only the pre liston and post frazier 3 versions. you have to look at an athlete at their best. the jimmy young fight, and third norton fights arent prime Ali either
it's in the works, bit I did study Frazier 1 and Foreman fights. He still had no defense.
@@FightFilms he had no defense despite his entire style being counter based? ali is amazing at disturbing force and turning his face to avoid punches, even during his later career he used a high guard when he couldn't dance as long.
@@FightFilms you watched his fight against foreman and you say he has no defence ? Nah, understand boxing first
Seeing so much delusion in just 1 video is absolutely crazy
A lot of great ones found their personal ways and keys to victory. Boxing fundamentally correct wouldn't have worked for them.
Henry's hammer.
Ive been saying for years that something about the Foreman fight isnt right,how does a guy who is suppose to be knocked out look up at the ref then jump up at the count of ten.Had he really been knocked out his lights would have been totally closed as in goodnight.
Check out my next video in a day or two.
when you're fatigued it's a lot easier to be knocked out or put down, I don't think foreman was ever rocked, just too tired to understand what was going on until it was too late.
@beans3158 I hear what u saying but jumping up at the count of ten looks a bit odd
@ yeah that’s fair but its happened in a lot of fights, foreman had a similar issue with young though from what I remember he was told to take it easy to extend the fight.
Great video 😎33-48 😁👊💪 -"No chance for modern boxers!"🙃
Usyk was knocked out by a body punch from Dubois but was protected by the governing bodies to rule it a low blow.
I can do it too.
But he wasn't though, you've just been brainwashed by bull shite
Evidence? I can talking too.
@FightFilms
You got plenty of evidence all over TH-cam over the controversial low blow. Usyk was on the floor longer than Ali was on the floor in all of his combined knockdowns from Banks to Wepner.
Why you talking about Ali alone and not mentioning the other greats and how they would have fared in this era? You not mentioning Jack Johnson, Jim Jefferies, Joe Louis, Dempsey, Rocky, Tyson, etc. You all Ali this Ali that.
If you can’t see that 1 Dubois punched him below the belt line and that 2 anything below the belt line is illegal (AKA low blow), you’re not worth arguing with.
@elel2608
It's controversial. Was it below or on the belt line hmm?
How can Ali be privileged in the 60s and being Black. Dumb Dumb Dumb
I just showed you how. Your turn to provide evidence.
Tommy Lucchese is the real heavyweight GOAT.
You made a vid 2 years ago saying Fury is not an atg and Mike would have knocked him out do you still stand by that
He's not an ATG and Tyson would KO not just him but Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Louis, Jack Johnson, Sullivan and even Lennox, had he got him at the right time. What's your point?
@@FightFilms Tyson knocking out Foreman? George Foreman, who employed the same tricks Buster Douglas utilized no nulify Tyson's fight system? Plus, Foreman had a better chin and far more power.
@@FightFilms Tyson at his best Stops everyone not named Lennox Lewis
I'd argue that Ali actually fought in a weaker Heavyweight era than that of the 90s, 2000s, and the 2020s. I'd argue guys like Jose Napoles were more talented and technically far better than Ali but Napoles was a Welterweight and didn't fit the mold of an American civil rights icon. Usually there is a higher level of talent between 135-160 than there is at heavyweight, but you will occasionally have very overrated ww eras like the one that just concluded while conversely having strong heavyweight eras like the one we have now.
Ali was a huge reflex fighter in his prime in the 60's. Like Tyson Fury until Klitschko.
amphetamine aids in focus, concentration and gives ya great energy
@@anul6801 that’s why guys like him and Roy jones are one dimensional only relying on athleticism
This is the Dunning-Kruger effect
Yep
I always thought Sugar Ray Robinson was considered the ATG, not Ali or Foreman...
All of them. So long as they are American and 6ft under.
@FightFilms haha. Great content as always. Nice to see someone actually being honest. It would only make sense that fighters would advance with time, especially as sports science has advanced so much and psychology.
I think people cling onto these eras because everyone fought everyone. Now there are too many politics involved.
Did you see that Usyk is seriously considering retirement?
Ali the goat. You’ll never be able to change that.
he's really not tho. Usyk has accomplished more than he has.
23 fights lol. Usyk is a great fighter I’m not a hater like you but it’s a lot of people who will be rather ahead of usyk on an all time list. If Americans were boxing instead of being interested in football and basketball you wouldn’t have heard on usyk. Make a video about that
@@billybucks8234 Ali's era was full of bums. An American domestic league of slow, flat footed cave men with no skill. Dave Allen would be undisputed champion in that era.
More fantastic analysis from the Vegan slayer
Joe Louis would of beat Ali personally beleive in their primes
Thrice? They only faught twice
In the 15 round era Usyk would have beaten Chisora 11-4
Y'all up in here must have been smoking something..😆😆. It's a color thing with you jokers I get it but the facts are none of y'all could get to the belt at that time and Ali was the champ and ducked no one. Cooper was nothing but one of the many bums Ali ended up whipping on his way to the championship. Cooper at the end of the day was just a BUM..stop making excuses and bow to the Greatest of all time Muhammad Ali !!🤴🏽🤴🏽
Excuses?
@@FightFilms Just listen to your rant...lol
There was no glove change. The Brits knew Ali was hurt and didn't want a break. They wanted Cooper to get at him. But Ali recovered with the minute's rest -- actually 64 seconds. Cooper ripped Ali with left hooks in the first round, and also won the fourth with a 2-point knockdown. If a technical decision had been rendered at that point Cooper would have won a UTD. His eye was messed up badly He caught Ali with a savage left hook in the 4th but couldn't take advantage of it because there were 3 seconds left in the round. When Ali got to his feet the bell had sounded and Dundee jumped into the ring. You didn't get a standing 8-count if the bell rang during the count. It was up to the boxer to make it to his corner.
I haven't found a shred of evidence for your claim re: glove, so provide it.
This was not a standing 8 count, as he did go down, but a MANDATORY 8 count, meaning ref MUST count to 8 and "a fighter can't be saved by the bell". Doesn't matter that the round ended. Ref must count to 8 by mandate.
@@FightFilms Most of the UK adopted the mandatory 8-count around 1949, but the thought was a boxer getting up at 2, 3, or 4, a second or 2 after the bell rang has a full minute to recover. His corner can make the decision if he's alert and cognizant enough after a full minute's rest to come out for the next round. They knew the glove was torn, but didn't want to interrupt the action th-cam.com/video/8hwn2mqNI1I/w-d-xo.html to give Clay a long rest which a glove change would do. You can see the full 4-5 round rest period.
Some fighters were saved by the bell back then. Perhaps the rules were unclear. I'll check that vid out.
Your great.
The record says it all bombai ask Mike tyson he'll tell you 🎉
Riveting take.
Ali won the fight. On his record he won
we're in revelations 9. PROVERBS- you can catch a lizard by the hand' yet they are found in kings palaces. Should also say found on YOU TUBE. Shame I can't see you then I could see the hand symbols. Your time is short.
Seek help
@FightFilms seek satan. I ask you, do you worship CHRIST? that name only. Do you put him above all else? Do you put him above satan and 72 fallen angels. Is CHRUST your savour? I won't get a answer.
Ali is the fastest heavyweight with hands and feet
Moses Itauma is more explosive. So was Tyson. Fury was just as fast at 245lbs.
None of those people are not as fast. Definitely not fury. Fast for his size though. Learn boxing
Watch this 1 on the big tv....ALI was bullied around the whole fight....got extremely luck with the cut in the beginning. HE GOT KNOCKED OUT....THERES NO WAY HE GOT UP THAT FAST.THE VIDEO WAS EDITED ALONG TIME AGO.
ALI IS THE GOAT
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Anyone who knows anything about boxing knows SALAVDOR SANCHEZ was the best of all time after Robinson. Ali could mix it any era. As for this time no one could beat him. TYSON in prime may be, Lewis and bowe, yes. Frazier would dismantle all heavyweights of today along with Foreman and Holmes. Take them all of Peds and fighters of today would not hear final bell. Take them off those imagine how poor they be when they are already mediocre. like USYK could beat Mike Tyson, Holmes, Frazier, Foreman, Tyson, Lewis, Bowe and Holyfield name a few. They would dismantle him. Chisora is no great and he had USKY in all problems. He is below average. Even USKY PEDS would not help him against who I said. U think he could bully them. Imagine Liston against him. A young Liston not the one who was way older than he was or the one who took 2 dives. He would man handle Usky. Foreman lifted Frazier off his feet with upper cut and u think USKY could handle him. Delusional
Evidence?
Troll
@СашаІванов-л5ц did u take the ' Mark of beast' arm juice. Well now your a serpent troll.
Nobody in this tine would beat Ali. But it’s plenty of people who can beat usyk
Ali lost. Usyk never. Makes sense.
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Usyk has 23 fights. Have you looked at usyk opponents record? Usyk best win came from fury. I can name a lot of fighters who would beat usyk. Usyk wouldn’t beat ray Mercer
@@billybucks8234 I think usyk would absolutely outbox mercer, though I don't agree with this dudes logic at all "Usyk never lost = better" which is crazy considering he's had less than half of ali's fights, Ali also fought several other champions too.
Evidence?
How come today's era never mention the greatest fighter ever marchegiano. He beat Ali up , dropped him with a body punch sparring for the computer fight. Ali pissed him off. Ask Lou duva he was there.they are not allowed to talk about it. I guess because it would tarnish Ali. Marciano was 45 years old.
Because Maricano stated by everyone he ever knew, sucked, and sucked badly, every guy he fought was either a journeymen or an old ATG way past their prime (basically journeymen status) and even with all that he still was getting dominated until landing lucky shots and knocking them out; He was carried by his power and immense toughness i'll give him that but boxing wise he gets dominated by every champ of any era in their prime (maybe not Ruiz or Charles Martin)