Can You Use Destiny Bond, Pain Split and MORE on Dynamax Pokemon? - Sword and Shield
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- Today, we're testing even more crazy moves on Dynamax and Max Raid Pokemon. Transforming into Gigantamax Pokemon, using moves such as Toxic, Curse, Destiny Bond, Knock off, Thief, Multi Hit Moves and more and seeing how the game responds!
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► In Pokemon Sword and Shield, there are lots of different moves - some do damage, some cause status conditions, some even make Pokemon faint after certain conditions are met! Today, we're going to test out and see what happens when we use the moves Destiny Bond, Pain Split, Knock Off, Thief, Toxic, Multi Hitting moves like Icicle Spear cloyster, as well as seeing if we can use Ditto to transform into a Gigantamax Pokemon!
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Let me know if you hear the hidden cat meow in the video! 😂 At this point, I think I covered almost all of the interesting moves - leave a comment if there are any more you want me to try!
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so the reason curse acts like that is any move or effect that takes a percentage of HP only takes the original HP, ignoring the recalculated hp stat of a dynamaxed pokemon. Raid pokemon have even more hp than normal max dynamax pokemon, so they take very little damage of this type but this has practical uses for players as well, for example life orb solar power dynamax charizard. instead of taking an insane 22% of my hp per turn, its only 11% thanks to dynamax. at the same time this also nerfs potentially broken combos like gluttony G-Max Snorlax with Iapapa berry as the berry will heal the same numeric value in g-max mode, effectively all % based damage or healing done to a max dynamax level pokemon is halved
Can you use Super Fang or Nature's Madness Please.
What if you used imprison or trick with damaging items?
(Toxic/Flame orb, Black sludge?)
That weavile really does want a LOT of attention.That's why he always has the ability pressure
Aaaah. You said it
Oh
I wanna update a thing about multi hit moves, if you hit the LAST part of the shield, it WILL break and their stats will drop which allows you to attack their health directly with the rest of the hits.
I learned that with my Urshifu. It’s cool
8:46 I think the best way to explain this is by looking at the gift Charmander. It just looks like a regular Dynamax until you get to the Charizard, where the game can link a Gigantamax form to the Pokémon. Considering the fact that the game still treats your Pokémon as a Ditto and not Snorlax, it cannot connect a Gigantamax form to the Pokémon, and thus it only receives Dynamax.
One thing I've noticed from dynamaxing Pokemon that may be important: Things like leftovers continue to behave as if you have your non-dynamaxed HP. My example is my Dracovish that I use for raids on occasion. Through testing both during and after, leftovers restores the exact same amount of HP, even though my dynamax HP is doubled. Haven't tested to see whether other "set amount of HP" effects react the same, but after seeing your curse, my theory is that those effects are going by the unaltered HP total, so end up restoring/dealing less on a dynamaxed pokemon.
Same with effects like poison and burn
I love your intro “pie I’m mike”
LMFAO
Omg you caught his secret
I don’t get it
Lmfao
OH GOD NOW I ONLY HEAR THIS WHAT DID YOU DO TO ME HBDYYECHJIKNVDS
I wonder if using Happy Hour in a max raid will increase the treasure yield..
Try curse without the dynamax shield up
True maybe the shield has something to do with low damage
It ignore the HP count completely tho...
Try any of those moves without shield up
Dank Swagonite exactly
It is affected by the actual health when you catch the dynamax Pokémon
I’ve noticed any percentage based effects (Leftovers, Sand Tomb, etc.) go based off of original health, so your curse is likely based off of Xatu’s original health.
Here's a quote I found on this:
"All effects that is based on a percentage of the Dynamaxed Pokémon's maximum HP (e.g. Life Dew, Leech Seed, poisoning) is calculated based on its maximum non-Dynamax HP. If Endeavor or Pain Split is used against a Dynamax Pokémon, the damage it receives would only be based on its non-Dynamax HP. However, Brine's bonus damage is still calculated based on the Dynamax HP."
Source Link: m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Dynamax
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8:21 It seems we're also getting commentary from cat, PokeTips Cat!
Nice catch
for a moment I thought I was going crazy.
Yes
EriChaos awww i heard it meow
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Huh interresting, When the Dynamax Pokemon does the: "Pokemon nullified the stat changes and Abilities of other Pokemon" the german text translates to: "Pokemon removed all status conditions and changes". So in german it says that it removes stuff like poison,sleep etc. but it doesnt say that it removes abillitys...
I think it means abilities like light screen and reflect
Something interesting to note about multi-hit moves. If one of the hits breaks the last shield, the remaining hist will do actual damage as if there's no shield.
2:37 ok it is attacking us.. ok and we fainted before we could use it 😂🤧
Don't know why I laughed so hard at that thank you mike really struggling with depression needed that keep up the good work 🙌🏾
What would happen if the only Pokémon left uses self destruct to knock out a gigantamax Pokémon in a max raid battle?
Self destruct and explosion cannot be used in Max Raids
GameNinja-X wat about struggle
I used Earthquake in a raid battle before. Even though the dynamax pokemon's health was at 0, it still counts as failing if too many pokemon faint
8:21 A WILD ESPURR APPEARED
pls make a video on Gigantamaxing a missingno in sword/shield :D
😮😮😮😮😮
Yeah he needs to do that
The "MissingNo" of the game immediately faints upon entering battle, similar to the 3DS games. It’d be impossible to Gigantamax (especially since it has no Gigantamax form), let alone Dynamax.
YES!
Imagine if they added a secret Gigantamax Missingno.
I’d like to see poke tips try and beat Pokémon emerald with only decamark
A note about status conditions: they do shake off after a few turns, but most are still worth it to do at the start of a raid. Poision just is the only one that doesn't really do anything. Paralysis is especially good in raids, since it may attack 2-3 times a turn, and each time it has to get through the paralysis check. And that's not even mentioning half speed.
Toxic was still quite useful when I used it during my battles. Because as long as the opponent doesn't heal itself from status conditions it still keeps chipping down its health, even when it's shielded and other moves don't damage it.
I was watching your old videos and the notification came up and I immediately taped it😆😆
Youre the best, burrito!
Is it possible to steal the rusted sword/shield on zacian/zamazenta with thief ?
Nope, can’t be knocked off either
Kind interested in that question,Tbh
You also can't do that with any form changing items like plates for Arceus mega stones and Orbs for Kyogre/Groudon/Giratina
Aye, I was up there. Nice. Lol. It would be so cool if they released a ditto like that. That even if your opponent doesn't have the Gmax version, you can turn into the Gmax variant of it.
Gmax Ditto ... sounds cool to me!
I've had toxic actually do enough damage to get the dynamax pokemon to drop their shields, however, there is a good chance that it was silently patched out,
8:21 is the cat’s meow. I do wonder about the curse damage when the shield isn’t up
I found out the hard way about hold item moves with my corvisquire when i tried to use pluck
The little "meow" at 8:21 ^-^
I heard that and thought there was a real cat at my door.
This is really helpful!
I'm here to remind everyone that Gengar evolves into pudding
Anime Conspiracies wait what?
What?
Do you want to get wooshed?
Its his Shape? I didn't think i got it.
No you're an idiot it evolves into custard
Swagger + Foul Play in Max Raid Equals?
Also the effects of Curse used by a Ghost Pokémon Lasts indefinitely and cant be removed. In my opinion I’d rather have that. It’s quite Helpful
Eminent HERO dynamaxed Pokémon’s attack stat are not increased so I can already tell you that foul play won’t do anything special.
A weird thing that happens with moves like Icicle spear is that, if you break the shield, you will deal normal damage on the last hits. However the defenses will not be lowered until the move has finished.
Interesting point about multi hit moves and shields: if the first hit is the last shield bar, then every hit after that does damage to the Pokémon. So you’ll break the shield, get the shield down damage, and be able to hit 1-4 more times on the Pokémon.
You should find a Shedinja raid. Or do a raid where the Dynamax/Gigantamax mon starts to use Struggle.
Shedinja does in fact stay at 1 hp, it's very anti-climatic
Does Oranguru's "Instruct" work on a Dynamax teammate?
It works in the raid den
I have no idea why but when you said it’s like having your shoe untied while scolding your Gengar that made me laugh more than I thought it would.
Your commentary is cool
Also your intro with Behemoth blade was WOW !
Glad you enjoyed it :)
did you atleast catch the g-Max snorlax
Edit:Ok, you dont need to catch it cuz its easy to Get the gigantamax again
BOP BOPY xD
g-Max Pokémon are so easy to get anyways, who cares if he caught it or not.
Mason Seminario Lol
This is a mechanic where you have to build defensively when you assemble your teams, with Dynamax Pokemon they are immune to any and all flinching, any and all weight based damage dealing moves, they can not faint with destiny bond, encore and disable users will not work with these Pokemon, and it will break the move lock with the choice items releasing the normal sized Pokemon from those effects if one of these is on them.
To win battles with them, you are not allowed any flinch type users, weight based damage users, destiny bond users, encore and disable users, all choice unlocked users are ok.
So this limits you to your Pokemon only being allowed to know offensive based moves, going on defense, knowing a move with secondary effects (are Dynamax Pokemon allowed to be hurt by secondary effects for the three turns, or are these blocked with them immune for all 3 turns), healing itself or its allies, so on and so forth.
Since you can not hit them by normal means, the best way to do battle well with them is take out Pokemon who you know will not work against them let alone deal damage onto them.
Item effects, they all stop working and any move that can take items, do anything else with items, etc does not work because if they all can't you can't either for item holds or removal of.
All multi hit moves only break a shield once and no more, so these things can't be hit that way.
Ditto does not know Gigantamaxing as it lacks the flag, but can turn into a Dynamax Pokemon normally but without the storm clouds.
Pain split does next to nothing, so it is best to limit all Dynamax and Gigantamax activity to online only where most of the normal mechanics do seem to work fine when you are in battle.
As these are so programmed to where they can not be hit by conventional means, it is best a player voluntarily bans and does not allow certain species meeting the move ineffective conditions into a max raid battle.
Your not allowed either to use anything that can cause a status condition as it will just take away the condition in under 1 turn, so plan your movesets carefully and take out Pokemon of certain kinds who are going to be functionally of little to no use with Dynamax Pokemon and do not allow them into max raid battles. online is fine.
Steven Jordan you forgot to mention, if the Pokémon max raid boss, Is on one shield, and you hit it with a multi attack move, the first hit will destroy the shield, and The rest of the hits will hit regularly, if 1hitko moves hit, they also deal 2 shield damage
Acidity Kills so only if you know multi hit attacks or one hit ko moves will you ever win against either Pokémon type
So basically it's like a regular pokemon battle but boring and on a railroad...
8:20 thats where the cat is
Going off the toxic cure, I literally froze a dynamax raid Pokemon at the end of the turn, it immediately acted the next turn without it even saying it unfroze or nullified stat changes and abilities, I'm pretty sure status effects only last a single turn in raids
Maybe with the curse its HP didn't go down that much cause it had A shield.
Did anyone notice that with cloysters icicle spear, the other 4 attacks did damage?
Most attacking moves do some minuscule amount of damage when blocked by the shield.
Leech seed seems to work too when shield isnt up but forgot if it still stayed after blowing effect and shield up, but it gave me an memoravle impression for some reason than that of toxic
One thing I found is that Brick Break follows it's original effects and works similarly in Max Raids. While it doesn't break the Raid Shield, it will remove a segment and still does substantial damage as if the barrier had been broken! Used it against a barrier-up G-Max Snorlax and it did a significant amount of damage, even though I only took the second shield block away!
-Can You Use Destiny Bond, Pain Split and MORE on Dynamax Pokemon? - Sword and Shield-
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"All effects that is based on a percentage of the Dynamaxed Pokémon's maximum HP (e.g. Life Dew, Leech Seed, poisoning) is calculated based on its maximum non-Dynamax HP. If Endeavor or Pain Split is used against a Dynamax Pokémon, the damage it receives would only be based on its non-Dynamax HP. However, Brine's bonus damage is still calculated based on the Dynamax HP."
Source Link: m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Dynamax
@raindrop_ there a problem?
@raindrop_ literally only put that in comments that DID have something to do with it so I don't know what your talking about. Plus you're bitching about something that was commented literally 6 months ago. Like chill out kid.
Haven’t watched the vid but I used destiny bond thinking I did this Smartass move to take down a dyanmax and it didn’t work
Like it shouldn’t be punished for outplaying my opponent no matter if they’re gigamax
max solis but that’s easy because in the later turns of the fight it attacks multiple times. Also you didn’t “outplay” them, it’s just luck in dynamax battles.
Funny enough, I seen a gigantimax gengar use perish song on me. I did not want to wait and see what would happen if the song finished.
Man your vids are soo good I get soo excited when you upload a vid I want to save your vids by not watching it or else I will be bored for the rest of the day👍👍👍
I bet most/all of these won't have their normal effects
EDIT: I was right lol
The Blue Version of AJHQ saved me 12 mins ty
already known, this guy literally is just making a video to for shit he already knows
RazorGuild uh no he makes them to entertain his viewers/fans
Incinerate also does nothing aswell, like knock off or thief
I have noticed that Silvally has a strange attack
it DOES pan out, but I notice that while battling pikachu with Silvally, with Ground memories - in normal mode Multi attack said super effective, but Dynamax said Normal, and just plain effective but when I used it it uses the dynamax version of the equipped element and it used a super effective max quake, but showed as a normally effective max strike
Really good to try OHKO, helping hand,lazer focus absolutely does something strange and I think by pass shield and do almost full damage allowed in that shield section.
Congrats you’re my new favorite poketuber!!!
Thank you!!
I have one more suggestion, switching moves (like Dragon Tail)
It doesnt work in battles with a trainer's pokemon that is dynamax, so I can presume it certainly will not work with a wild pokemon. :)
@@Stance-Ill Didn't know, thanks for the advice!
What about uturn
I actually knew about the second and third things. Learned about Knock Off by accident, and some NPCs use multi-hit moves.
I learned about the multi-hit moves way before because I was trying to use that one double hit move and it only did one shield
8:21 uhh meow?
Holy shi* ur right :o
8:21
MEOW!
Ditto's cry sounds kinda different... 🤔
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Ight the curse is actually pretty ok if you think about it because it attacks while shield is up. Slow, but sure way to damage every single turn while not having to deal with a shield.
What happens if you use self-destruct and you are the 4th pokemon to faint in a raid?
you'll be really annoying
If the raid Pokemon faints at the same time as the last Pokemon on your team, you lose the raid battle. It's happened to me before, I think it was because of recoil or something. Maybe it's different with self-ko moves, though
Self dying moves don't work in Max Raid Battles
Does rollout damage still increase during raids?
Doubtful, but good question.
I'm fairly sure the dmg does increase as normal.
One thing you left off the mulit-hit moves is that if the first strike breaks the Dynamax Pokemon's last shield all the other hits will do damage.
So the thing to know about Dynamaxing is that it scales the Pokemon's HP up differently. You'll notice that if your Pokemon Dynamaxes, its health will clime up to a certain point, and you can use Dynamax Candies to increase that health gain. I'd have to do some extra math on several Pokemon to figure out the ratio, but chances are someone else has already done it.
The point is, instead of doing 1/4 of the damage, it may very well be 1/8 or 1/16, depending on how the health scales.
i think curse goes off their based hp, and since their dynamaxed and get more hp, it seems like its less damage
"All effects that is based on a percentage of the Dynamaxed Pokémon's maximum HP (e.g. Life Dew, Leech Seed, poisoning) is calculated based on its maximum non-Dynamax HP. If Endeavor or Pain Split is used against a Dynamax Pokémon, the damage it receives would only be based on its non-Dynamax HP. However, Brine's bonus damage is still calculated based on the Dynamax HP."
Source Link: m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Dynamax
Bug Bite and Pluck also fail in Max Raids.
I’m curious about how Infiltrator interacts with the shields.
The reason of why you can't use knock of and etc. in a raid might be this: early in the game I heard a rumor that you can actually steal the items from NPC and they won't be reset. I tried it with my friend but yeah, it didn't work. But we tried it only after the first server maintenance. Maybe they fixed it by making these move completely unavailable.
Jason Seasons that was not the problem, the problem was that you could duplicate items by having your friend reset to back when he had the item and you would have his item so you could duplicate master balls and gold bottle caps if you wanted to
Already knew skill link didn't smash shields BUT if cloyster uses rock blast on 5 star Gmax butterfree it'll do quite a bit of damage through the shield. Also something you didn't catch was when a multi hit move is used before a shield is up. 1-2 rock blasts get it to the HP where it puts the shield up but then the other 3-4 do nothing. Now the best thing skill link has done for me is if it's the last hit on the shield because most of the time it ignores the thing stopping the other hits and it does about 1/2 max HP.
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Yeah, that's seems right
0 likes? 48 likes?
@@nikosecher lol
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@@samriddhamalla6046 it said likes 2 times until it was edited
i think youtube doesn't count views if the watch time is too low so as to prevent people from spamming reload to artificially raise view count so that the video gets placed higher priority by youtubes algorithm. those are probably just likes and comments from people that immediately like and comment before they start the video.
This might be going off on a tangent but does all the moves you've tried so far have the same effect on PvP dynamaxed pokemon?
mizuhonova 4:42
@1 he mentioned it for Thief / knock off, not for Destiny Bond or Toxic
@@undrhil And curse
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It's actually really interesting what happens when a max raid pokemon uses endeavor on you one pokemon that I found that does this is wishiwashi and you guys should check it out
*Doesn't Gigantamaxed Gengar looks like a Demonic Playhouse of Demise*
To me, it does.
Metapod evolves into Zamazenta
Not Gamefreak 2019
Cleared up a ton for me, I found out about the pin missile thing on my own. It sucked.
It does work on hp and it's OP
Moves that become useles in Max Raid Battles
Bug Bite, Destiny Bond, Explosion, Incinerate, Knock Off, Self Destruct, Perish Song, and Super Fang
also, Im surprised Pain Split wasn't one of them
Why does people have like notifications on just to dislike quickly? Like fork you
Cmon man a physical thievul don’t do this to her
Bruh HIM
3:01 his thievul is female I was talking about her
3:05
for tis one, we are gonna be using the new pokemon, swiper the fox
Pain Split
*unholy memories of my first Pokèmon game, Sun*
Maractus 1: you can do this, Go on!
Maractus 2: go do it- eh (maractus 2 turns away)
If there were more you didnt show, you should do a video on what moves are different on raid dmax pokemon vs player dmax pokemon. Also consider what moves/effects dont work/work differently when shields are up, mostly because it seems to be hard to find that information out unless you personally trial and error, which as you saw, can be dissappointing. Itd be cool to have a compilation of "what u should know about raid pokemon" or something, like reading comments below has given me some useful tips!
I can vouch on the multi-hitting moves not taking out more of the shields whenever you battle a Dynamax Pokemon. I remember one time I used my Cinderace, and once of his moves was Double Kick. I used it while the Dynamax Pokemon had it's shield up, and only one of the bars went down, despite me hitting it twice.
Needless to say, it sucks.
8:21 a wild cat appeared! 🐱
Gengar is my favorite pokemon too!
Along with Swirlix and Eevee
2:04 made me laugh lol
"Let's see if multi-hit moves will affect dynamax raid pokemon with shields"
That Jolteon that uses double slap: lol *no*
I think it's important to remember that raid Pokemon have invisible HP limiters that prevent max damage/OHKOs so they can always set up barrier at which point it'll move down to the next limiter and if there is none the Pokemon can be knocked out. Maybe moves like pain split are working on a damage calc within the fractions of health between these limiters?
Yeah I found out about the HP limiters when I got my Eternatus to Level 100 and max EVs in Special Attack + Choice Specs Dynamax Cannon.... only for it to do like 1/5 of the 5* pokemon's damage. Was confused at first, and then I noticed the damage increased as the Raid went on, and the damage is much higher in lower star raids before the shields come up, which made me put two and two together. Wouldn't have known about it otherwise most likely tbh :P
I actually knew about the multi-hit moves because with my charbunny (I forgot the name spelling) with a shield and double kick.
One interesting note is that the shield break stat drops count as a stat drop and trigger defiant.
the knockoff/thief thing is probably because they are using the item slot to store some data that allows the shields to only be on wild pokemon
If cloyster or any other skill link/multi hit move Pokemon use their multi hit move on the last shield, it will break it (obviously) and the rest of the hits actually do damage as if the shields were gone (again obviously) but the defense drop procs after you finish your attack.
Helpful to know so we dont go into those battles thinking we have the best strategy to quickly win and then find out we are almost useless.
SPOOKY BOY WITH THE HANDS HERE
the shoe analogy was hillarious
Multi Hit Moves Used to crack multiple shield bars, but they fixed that
Do moves like bind work the same with their constant damage and does binding band increase their damage on dynamax mons?
Not sure
It's not just Toxic, that stat change thing it does every turn clears it of any status condition. Explosion will also fail. I've had another move that does damage fail, like you did with Knock-off and Thief, but it wasn't either of those. Can't remember what it was but it was weird
i noticed there are also dmg caps in max raid battle, as in if a pokemon is supposed to pop a shield at 50% ealth and you hit him with a move that would do more than 50%, the health will fall to just 50% anyway completly ignoring the excess dmg ...
If you use disable on a dynamaxed pokemon that has all of the same typing of move (EX all the moves max quake) would it disable all of them? Or just the one slot of the move that got disabled?