Why I Am NOT Buying Sonic Origins
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 พ.ค. 2024
- Sonic Origins recently came out and packages four widescreen remasters of the Hedgehog's 16-bit roots. This should be the definitive way to play each of the included games -- keyword being ''should''. Let me explain why I am not buying the collection. #sega #sonicthehedgehog #critique
0:00 - The Retro Engine Remasters
6:16 - The Fan Efforts
8:56 - The Value of Origins
12:32 - The Flaws of Origins
18:50 - The Features of Origins
23:14 - Conclusion
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If you're on PC or a hacked Switch, and looking for the best versions of these games to get, this may interest you:
A decent number of comments have mentioned there are more fleshed out versions of the decompilations available: Sonic 1 Forever, Sonic 2 Absolute, and Sonic CD Restored. Apparently, they are similarly customizable to Sonic 3: A.I.R., which sounds great. I wasn't really aware of these options when I made the video, but I thank you all for letting me know about it, so I can pin this comment!
Also, because I keep reading this: no, these versions by themselves are not IP theft. They are tools that do not hold the game code or assets; said code and assets have to be injected. How the individual goes about acquiring the original games can be illegal, but I'd bought them all directly from Sega when that was still possible. Just wanted to throw that out there; these are not fan games that actually contain copyrighted material within. Case in point: Nintendo tried taking down the Super Mario 64 decompilation, but was only able to do so for ports that came pre-packaged with the game's assets. It's why an Ocarina of Time decompilation has also been developed, and why Nintendo hasn't been able to do much against it.
Hacked Nintendo switch, really? Its bad enough there's videos on how to do it, but doing it on a system that's currently on the market is wrong. And you bloody well know it, and I find those same people cheating in fighting games on the switch. Like smash, or the street fighter collection. I swear to god, your generation is ruining everything. If its not call of duty, its everything else. You have no business mentioning that at all, and its illegal jackass
Sonic 1 Forever and Sonic 2 Absolute are incredible. CD Restored is also great, but it's harder to set up.
If you got a pc I can see why you won't be buying it but However most console players can't play the better fan version
@@XenoVis Not really you just need the steam version it works great you can try
Sonic CD Restored need the "Sonic CD Restored Addon: ...And Knuckles" for full Customization
Really sucks that Aaron Webber's promise of more time between Sonic games just meant we'd get bad Sonic games at a slower rate.
It's just pathetic really
How? This collection is flawed...but it's not bad.
@@jaydenc367 bad is subjective, but I'm fine calling it so at such a high price honestly, and it's abundance of issues
I feel so bad for the social media crew. They just want the best for the character, but 99.9% of the time Sega just contradicts their statements and in the end nobody wins. Sonic/Sega needs some serious changes because this is beyond ridiculous.
@@teryliuhoo5989 Absolutely agree. I wonder if Aaron even gets listened to with his new job over in Japan. I wish he had more control.
Oh BTW the reason why Tails is broken in Origins Sonic 2 is because the code for the drop dash SEGA jerryrigged up uses the timer values for tails despawn for drop dash, essnetially not giving tails a timer
That's some useful information. Thanks.
The funny part is they had an open value free for use but they used the despawn value instead 💀
If they did some testing and some research this wouldn't happen
Just curious but where did you get this information from?
@@DarkAnomaly modders on le tweeter application
Wow that's some interesting info there, thanks man!
“Those who forget their history are condemned to repeat it.”
Sega keeps trying to squeeze out a Sonic game for the anniversary, but ignores the lessons of the past. Yeah, wonder why they're no longer in the console business...
Was that a One Piece quote?
@@sanic007 It’s an old quote often attributed to George Santayana
@@namingisdifficult408 Ohhhhhhhh. Thanks for teaching me that. Also, I agree completely.
Actually, the reason why they left the console business was moreso the failure of the launch of the Saturn in the United States. They released it early without telling the retailers, which resulted in many of the retailers dropping their products in retaliation.
Just like how they rushed out the Sega Saturn with a steep price of $399, a tale as old as time.
14:09 Just to clarify something in this part, the versions of Carnival Night, Ice Cap and Launch Base used in Origins weren’t actually made for this collection. Rather, there is heavy speculation that the versions used in Origins were actually archived recordings of _even earlier_ renditions of the tracks that Jun had on hand. This is due to elements of the tracks being even further unrefined (ex: mistakes in note data) from both the PC Collection midis, and the 1103 Prototype. Not to mention how the Competition Menu theme, the S3A credits track, and the unused Super Sonic theme (repurposed for the new Blue Spheres mode) all sound IDENTICAL to the 1103 prototype, which all leads to the conclusion that the only track Jun actually had a full hand in doing was the new Super Sonic theme. And that’s it.
Can't decide if this is better or worse.
The new super sonic theme sucks too tho so that's a long winded way of sayin it was doomed from the start
We lost the Steam versions of Sonic 1,2,CD, and 3&K for this.
Just think about that.
For those unaware, those versions had Steam Workshop support.
The part with comparing this rushjob to what Nintendo's been doing regularly hits really close. It's impressive how these legacy collections, including Pacman Museum Plus, keep being treated as too-big-to-fail cash-ins to give these game companies easy income, while not giving much respect to the games that they so deserve whenever they're brought back.
Is Pac Man World Re-Pac any better? Nintendo rushed Star Fox Adventures the GameCube before Rare was bought by Microsoft; that’s a little bit better.
@@mariokart8715 To be fair, alot of the GameCube games were rushed.
@@mariokart8715 No idea, tho that one's gonna be a remake instead, instead of a compilation of old games.
The reason the drop dash feels off in Sonic 1 and 2 is because of a feature called roll-locking. In the original versions of the games, if you jumped out of a roll, Sonic would behave differently than if you jumped from a run or standing. When jumping out of a roll, Sonic's directional input is locked, so you can't influence his movement jumping out of a roll. This was not in Mania specifically because of the drop dash and the Mobile version of Sonic CD as well as this new retro engine version of 3K don't have roll locking either.
Not sure why it was left in 1 and 2? Probably due to the aforementioned fact of origins obviously having been rushed.
@@spitefulcrow5026 idk, because they went out of their way to remove it from 3K and CD, so why exclude 1 and 2 from that if it's a principle thing?
@@spitefulcrow5026 the only problem with roll locking not being in CD is that CD now having the drop dash means you can completely break everything in it built around the time travel mechanic with the drop dash
20:50 No you’re not being too harsh or dramatic, everything you’re saying is accurate. Everything you’ve mentioned is the reason why I’m also not buying Origins, when I was initially excited about it’s announcement.
That Was Said In 23:50 Not 20:50
Something else to mention is lack of choice. Rather than fluent options, you get "Play Anniversary or Classic"
We've already had more fluent options with Mania and with past re-releases, so why is Origins (the supposed definitive versions of these games that they _removed_ other versions for) so set in stone?
What if I want to play in widescreen but with lives? Or the classic 4:3 resolution, but with new moves, or for coins? Why is screen resolution tied to game mode? Why not offer the customisable moveset that Mania and the Switch ports of 1 and 2 offered?
Might seem picky, but with games like this that have already been released so many times (with more choice!) it's these features and options that make or break this kind of collection, and Origins absolutely falls short
The reason why Origins is barebones with options compared to Mania is because the development team (the one who bundled the games) is different from CW & HC, their work overall is way less polished and non-customizable compared to what Mania has offered
"fluent"
*fluid
Know what Sonic 3 A.I.R. also has? The prototype tracks (optional). And they actually sound right.
You know... in the free fan remaster that doesn't cost forty to forty-five bucks.
Sonic 3 A.I.R. won't get in legal troubles for using Michael Jackson's music as a game being charged money like Origins would. Sonic 3 A.I.R is free and not earning any money from using his music.
@@SonicGamer4806 My point is that A.I.R. managed to make the prototype tracks sound good, and the paid product didn't.
The thing that bothers me the most about Sonic 3's music isn't the fact that the songs are replaced, it's the fact that these great-sounding prototype tracks sound awful and it makes people who like the originals hate them even more. But in the right hands, like you were saying, the tracks could have sounded great. Bouncy and Mastered Realm are perfect examples of Sonic Fans that are very competent enough to "remaster" these prototype tracks more than official Sonic employees. (No disrespect to Senoue) but what the heck did he do to the prototype tracks?? By the way, have you heard this version of ice cap prototype? Check it out: th-cam.com/video/cM-_kkL-3Yc/w-d-xo.html
If the version in origins sounded like this, I may not have canceled my preorder. But as of now, Sega has really damaged the franchise for me by being lazy and greedy by trying to charge 40 dollars for 4 games that are over 25 years old by this point.
Others have probably already said it, but I'd like to add that the decompilations of Sonic 1, 2 and CD all have amazing fan versions similar to Sonic 3 A.I.R. Sonic Forver, Sonic 2 Absolute and Sonic CD Restored & Knuckles (with a save file) are the the definitive versions of those games. Particularly for PC players, Origins offers very little of value over what is already out there for free.
But new players can't get Sonic 3 AIR legally anymore.
@@whochangemyname6977 yeah they can, they can get the S3&K rom from the mega collection or other collections that included S3&K. Regardless, let’s be honest here, legal or not, the games are 30 years old and have been rereleased to death. Do u really think acquiring a 30 years old game that can run on any current day platform through other means is wrong? In my eyes it’s way less scummy than Sega pulling off this fiasco.
@@adonicetrig8908 You have a point. Because I played Sonic 3 Complete on my phone. I just wish others (and me included) can have a way to play Sonic 3 AIR through any other legal means necessary. If the AIR community decides to make the project available through illegal roms. Sure, I could take the chance. At least there are other means to play Sonic 3.
@@whochangemyname6977 fair play buddy, personally, the moment sega delisted the games from steam, to me, that’s by far the scummiest thing they could’ve done, on top of adding denuvo on a collection of 4 30 years old games. I’m all about supporting creators, but that’s so disgustingly scummy, you honestly shouldn’t feel bad for downloading the games for free online. They’ve been treating sonic like a joke, they don’t deserve us, why should we be nice and understanding when they keep delivering mediocre, half-baked, overpriced, rushed and falsely-advertised games? Yh right, there’s nothing wrong repaying scum with what’s deserved buddy
It's so frustrating seeing Sega and other companies treat rereleases and remasters this way.
Was it really worth rushing the game so it could be out on the 31st anniversary of Sonic 1's release?
The franchise must still be plenty profitable enough that Sega just doesn't care whatsoever. It makes me wonder how many people who buy these games are completely isolated from the outcry and piss-takes you see on social media whenever a Sonic game releases these days.
Anyway great video lol. Looking forward to what else you have in store!
At worst, I expected Origins to be an overpriced mediocrity because Sonic 1, 2 and CD already had remasters, so most of the work was already done and it was gonna focus in Sonic 3&K and extra content, but it was just passable. How Sega still doesn't learn a thing after 20 years?
The worst is that Sonic games always had a decent price in countries like Brazil but after the movies' success, Sega absurdly inflated the prices of the games, including Origins and it's convoluted tiers
Yeah, Sonic games got outrageously overpriced in Brazil out of nowhere. Only on Steam, too, I wouldn't be surprised if it was an accident.
I hate how almost nobody talks about the inflation of prices in other countries to illustrate better how SEGA is treating their audience worldwide, they were usually very receptive considering their content to Brazil, and that was just a kick in the teeth of the consumers. If only it was for the recent titles, but even the older ones got affected by that.
So for us not only the original MD games got delisted, but all of the other Sonic games got their prices bumped up. Mania for example went from R$37,00 to R$99,50. This is just shoddy behavior.
@@chrishd659 That's almost a 3x price increase wtf
It's above barely passible...but it has quite a number of flaws.
@@chrishd659 Wait, Sonic Mania got a price INCREASE? Man, that's dirty. Don't think I've ever heard of that happening before, let alone to this extent.
I'm glad I got Mania when I did, because there's NO way I'd have gotten it after this stunt. Not even because of the price itself, but purely by principle. I mean, I got the base game AND the Plus DLC for less than half of the BASE GAME's current price. Simply disgusting.
I feel bad for the folks at Headcanon. Having your passion exploited like that just sucks. I'm super grateful for their work becasue it's clear they care, but damn. They deserve better.
I’m thankful that my experience with origins has been decent so far. However, I do agree that the price is too high for what you’re getting. Hope the reason why origins didn’t have that much time to iron out everything is because the rest of the team is super focused on frontiers. It would be very funny if we got the inverse of 2017 for sonic, where the 3D game is better than the 2d game.
You bought it, don’t complain
@@mooganify it's a product they've bought, owned and used for themselves, they have every right to complain if it didn't live up to expectations
@@mooganify that's the most idiotic comment I've read today. 😅
@@mooganify ????? In what world are you not allowed to criticize the product you paid for?
@@mooganify me buying a video game doesn’t automatically mean it’s immune to criticising it
Sonic Jam and Sonic Mega collection blow Origins away with all the extra games/extra content they have to offer. I wish they would of added the best of both worlds into one.
For me, this compilation is x4 games, x3 of which are FREE on mobile plus 5 mins of animations I have already watched on TH-cam and a handful of surprisingly very easy 'missions' to play that really I am not excited about.
So.. am I paying £30 something for a new version of S3&K with a few bugs and crap music?
No thanks. You are correct too that previous compilations have offered far more too.
I hate that others have said "It's bad but it's still convenient enough to make it worth buying." and am so glad that you're pointing out the same issues, and then coming to the saner conclusion. This is the best video on the subject I've seen so far. You really went to extra detail on a lot of things. And that you made the message clear on how bad this is, that this is a more expensive and worse version of something that was already available. We can't let this be a success story for Sega, or else they'll never see the need to try. Money is the only thing they cared about when they released this, money is the only thing they'll care about when we say we didn't like it. The only message they'll listen to, is us not buying this game.
The saddest thing is it’s a bit too late for that, SEGA has already released a “Sonic Origins Accolades” video, boasting the high sales and review scores of the game. We truly live in the worst time line, and we’re setting ourselves up to be disappointed again
These recent string of broken/unpolished remasters only carries one advantage for me; I can save money on not buying them. Sonic Origins while not bad, has a few too many flaws to consider purchasing over the decomp ports/emulation.
I'm sure they'll fix it but it'll be too late for me to care
While patches and updates are to be expected especially for current games, they shouldn't be something to "extend the game development way over the release date". Had they delayed the compilation it would've made a way better impression, but what could we expect for a company that not only said they won't delay Frontiers, but also said "we don't understand"?
@@chrishd659 Frontiers had been delayed already it was supposed to come out last year but it's coming out this year
@@chrishd659 Frontiers WAS delayed, which just makes the trailer look even more inexcusable. I bet you it's gonna be the Superman 64 of 2022.
Sega needs to stop being obsessed with anniversary deadlines. They didn't learn from 06, they didn't learn from colors ultimate, and they won't learn from origins unless people STOP BUYING.
I doubt that Sega would allow Headcannon or anyone to make patches and fixes at this point. I swear Stealth made it clear that Sega won't allow them to fix anything since they were just told to make Sonic 3 & Knuckles and nothing after that.
It's up to the Modding Community to pick up the pieces
18:54 So not only did Sega pull another Sonic 06, they pulled a Rockstar Games.
I should be surprised, but I'm not. Sega is infamous for shooting themselves in the foot, especially when it comes to their business decisions. It's the reason why they became a third party developer, and stopped developing consoles.
If Sega somehow manages to fuck up a remaster of their most beloved games even when working with some of the most passionate people in the community, then how the hell can people still have faith in Frontiers being good?
As a long time Sonic fan, I don't have faith in their ability anymore. The fact that they said fans "don't understand" when the fans voiced concerns is enough to put an ill taste in my mouth even without Origins.
@@reshawshid How about saying the full quote if you're going to reference it? Don't worry I'll do it for you: “It’s not really that surprising, We do realize everyone is just kind of reacting to the videos that they saw, and because they don’t understand what this new gameplay is, they’re kind of comparing it to other games that they already know. So we do see a lot of people saying, ‘oh, it’s kind of like this, it’s kind of like that, but it’s not like this, it’s not like that’."
So with that full context in mind, yeah the folks at Sega are correct in saying that the fans don't understand what the developers have been working on. Seriously, the entitled nature of Sonic fans is really unbearable at times and is why Sega has used the franchise as a glorified tech demo for the past 15 years
@@fredcasdensworld
Just say you're a bootlicker and be done with it. Saying that fans "don't understand" as a dismissal to criticism, whether the criticism is warranted or not, is disrespectful to the people who have kept you in business for all this time. They could have said, "We understand your concerns, but we want to try and take the series in a new direction from how stale it has been recently. Still, we understand that this is a big change and we would like to take your concerns into account as well. We will attempt to find a way to address your concerns either by adjusting our plans, or helping you see what we're doing to assuage feelings of doubt."
I came up with this literally right now. I didn't need to think of a way to word it, I was simply able to write it because I have a mindset to be genuine, and it's 1000X more respectful to the audience than the response Sega gave.
@@fredcasdensworld So basically, you're saying the fans are in the wrong for voicing their concerns about this cashgrab of a port?
@@vibemasterkorosu2469
We're actually talking about Frontiers, but your incredulity is warranted.
And he's still a corporate bootlicker.
This video says almost everything I ever wanted to say about Origins. Thank you.
And here's one more thing for the road.
I think Sega is quite aware of the fan efforts to remaster these games, and one thing I do appreciate about Origins is that it is recognizing that slapping them with takedowns is not the solution.
They view the fan efforts as competition, as it should be.
Hence all this extra content like Mission Mode and the Musuem and the animated cutscenes; that is unique content that only Sega could provide at such a high quality (in ideal circumstances). In a way, I applaud that.
But speaking for me, personally, I would much rather all of these extras and enhancements weren't there, and that all the effort spent on them went to delivering a better game. And the same goes to Colors Ultimate. I didn't ask for extra Wisps to be shoehorned into the level design, I asked for a great way to experience Colors on modern consoles and on PC. I didn't get that.
Maybe I'm too naive, but I think this collection would have sold just fine without all of these extras just on the fact that you press a few buttons and it's available immediately. That's a real advantage this would have that AIR and the decompliations especially can't quite obtain.
And considering the fact that the extras they put all this importance on suffer from the same lack of attention given to the games themselves, kinda just proves my point. What's the point of adding these extras when you can't put in the time and effort to make them good? And what's the point if the thing they're being adding to also can't get the necessary time and effort to be made good?
Sometimes, less is more.
One of the most dissapointing stuffs is the lack of options (like having the Anniversary Mode/Mirror Anniversary with limited lives) or illogic decisions like NOT allowing to play as Knuckles or Knuckles+Tails in Sonic 2 in "classic" mode WITHOUT the stage select cheat code (in the case of Knuckles+Tails it has sense is NOT allowed without the cheat) and Sonic+Tails in Sonic 1 regardless of Anniversary or Classic Mode... which in Classic Mode ALSO has sense for obvious reasons, logically, the PC version can fix some of those issues regardless if Sega bothers to do so or not... but is ALSO a shame that the PC version uses Denuvo.
This collection at the end reminds me a lot of 3D All Stars, it does have more effort put into it than the latter (which had none basically) thanks to the animations and the new port of 3K, but other than that they have the same 2 fatal flaws, they are way too expensive for what they offer, in the case of Sonic being next to the price the mobile versions have always had, and while they are a fine way to play them on consoles on a legal way, there are better options on PC that are not very difficult at all to set up.
You just listed only 1 fatal flaw...and even then at least Origins added more and charged for less.
Honestly, as lazy and cash-grabby as 3D All-Stars was, at least the laziness meant the games got left the hell alone, and didn't get new bugs introduced, or mean it had less options than any previous collections.
And even Scrimptendo didn't remove 64 and Galaxy from the Wii U store when 3DAS released...
@@gungaloscrungalo8925 I agree 3D All-Stars is only an emulation, and it least it's one version with no DLC which is good, because Sonic Origins has two versions with or without the DLC paid, which is stupid, and this port job was screwed because SEGA rushed it to make money and to cash in on the fanbase after the second Sonic movie became a huge box office hit, and removed almost all standalone version Sonic games from PSN, Xbox Store, and PC, minus mobile and Switch, pulling in a Rockstar Games move, and we know how that went with Rockstar for GTA.
At least Origins isn't a limited release. There's at least hope for it to get fixed and be around for years, unlike 3D All Stars.
Both Nintendo and Sega need to do much better.
@@zeroattentiongaming820 I am not going to fully defend Sonic Origins as I did 3D All-Stars, Origins is decent but could’ve been better.
Nintendo and SEGA has made several mistakes over the years, yes, but there’s a difference, which companies have made more impactful mistakes, Nintendo has made some impactful mistakes, but there’s are far between for several years, SEGA’s impactful mistakes have more an effect on them and happens more often than Nintendo’s, like the 32x, the USA launch of the Saturn, the killing of Sonic X-treme, the in between fighting of SEGA’s USA and Japanese branches, SEGA leaving the hardware business after they discontinued the Dreamcast, and multiple rush jobs and crunch time of several of their games, especially two of their most notorious Sonic games.
At this point the future of this series lies with the fanbase. The movies were excellent and the fan-games offer considerably more content than the official titles.
Even the IDW Comics do a better job too.
The future of the series is movies and TV shows. I'm saying this because I don't expect Frontiers to save the gaming side of the franchise.
@@squallleonhart9387 Ok calm down let's not go crazy lol IDW are in the middle of doing a Ken Panders episode 2: over-designed boogaloo.
@@squallleonhart9387 yeah! How forget them...
Imagine buying a game just to spend a good chunk of time fixing it instead of playing
That's what SEGA expect people to do I guess
Unfortunately the lack of transparency in waterfalls is also a problem in Mania. (I loved the dithering effect in my old mega drive)
Sega has done some amazing things in their history but at the same time they’re known to do some straight up bogus shit. For example the Game Gear Micro could’ve been an EASY home run money maker but they made it the size of a fucking toothpick.
Guess they took micro too seriously lol
I would like to add something you omitted when talking about the decompiled Retroengine versions of Sonic 1 and 2 for PC: There exist Sonic 1 Forever and Sonic 2 Absolute, based on those Retroengine versions, which are _essentially_ to Sonic 1 and 2 what Sonic 3 A.I.R. is to Sonic 3 & Knuckles.
They are without a doubt the definitive way to play Sonic 1 and 2! (So another reason to not buy Origins...)
Sonic CD Restored is another great one especially with the &Knuckles addon, it adds nice clean menus for whatever tweaks you'd want and even throws in Amy as a playable character.
I really appreciate these projects for adding so much stuff making these titles look and feel even more fresh, but I feel like they also detract a lot from the original games in a way. They don't feel definitive like the original phone versions did, that and how CD Restored specifically locked the soundtracks to use awful mashups as default.
Make no mistake though, these are still way more commendable efforts compared to what SEGA did, even if the person behind CD restored made that awkward decision.
@@chrishd659 Oh yeah the soundtrack thing is dumb, at least someone posted an unlocked save.
A real shame console players will never be able to play the definitive versions here
@@BenHyuga that's really unfortunate indeed, the decomps are not available for a broad audience except for PC players that can make it run easier. porting to consoles is much harder and it would require hacking the console, which companies don't allow easily :/
a shame that origins is the best that they can have
It almost feels like Sega are sabotaging themselves at this rate...it is really hard to conceive a company would be this bad for this long and only seem to get worse instead of better.
Man this is such a disappointing outcome from sega. Back in the days of the 3ds classics line they packed their re masters with an overwhelming amount of graphical and gameplay customisability, all while having the option to play these old games in 3d.
I thought the sega ages port of outrun on switch was a fantastic home port but after playing it on 3ds it feels more passable and stripped down, and I think it still has more customisability than origins
And I honestly would turn a blind eye to all of these issues if they just made a physical version but they didn’t and that’s the #1 reason why I’m not buying it.
I couldn't have said it better myself. I mean, what is there left to say about Origins that hasn't already been said?
Playing it through Yuzu made me realize how, for the lack of a better word, broken it really was. Like I got stuck in one of the water tunnels in Hydrocity Zone.
That being said, did you know that Christian Whitehead originally advocated for a mobile port of Sonic 3 but was turned down by SEGA? Had he gone through porting it, Origins might've had a better release.
Until then, it's best to stick with the fan made stuff, emulation, older compilations or even the original hardware if you still have it.
The majority stuff from the origins museum can be found and seen in the mega collection on ps2/Xbox. It even has old comic covers included
I really want to man. I want a remastered collection for sonic like this with a sonic jam like interface and even the islands to go between games or something . They could really go crazy lol add like a crash bandicoot 1 style map that you traverse as you complete levels , new in zone challenges or red coins like generations or unleashed
Just get Sonic 1 Forever, Sonic 2 Absolute, and Sonic 3 A.I.R... they are what this is, except objectively better in nearly every way imaginable.
We're getting it with Sonic Frontiers.
@@gamerbull2183 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
damn imagine a sonic collection like kirby's on the wii, with some in-engine trials and missions instead, that would've been wack indeed, especially with the jam style
When this hits 50% on sale I'll be all over it, but at full price I don't think it's worth it, despite having craved a proper console version of S3&K for a long time.
19:44 you got that right, Hidden Palace in Sonic 2 "classic" mode is still there. Yeah, it's sad that the collection was (overall) rushed and honestly my experience with Sonic 3 was not that great despite some stuff I liked to see they implemented like a proper transition from Launch Base to Mushroom Hill (however, while not in the same quality, the hack Sonic 3 complete already did that years before Origins... and sad A.I.R didn't implement that Sonic 3 Complete transition in Sonic's story), is good enough but... if you end up getting it, is better on a deal due to it's flaws, and yeah, I can find myself playing the decompilations of the games or Sonic 3 A.I.R. more (or Sonic Delta romhack or in the case of Sonic 3, Sonic 3 Complete romhack).
I hear Knuckles is somehow absent in Classic mode for Sonic 2, which after hearing this about Hidden Palace makes even less sense considering Lock-On technology was a thing back then, allowing you to play as him on the Mega Drive, while there was no such thing as a finished Hidden Palace officially back then.
@@DemonDethchase The ONLY way to play as Knuckles or Knuckles + Tails in classic mode is via stage select cheat code for some stupid reason and play the 00 "song?" Three times to open the special config menu that also can enable or disable Tails fly+swim skill or the Sonic 3 element barriers + Sonic's insta-shield move.
@@PikangsFutaba that's ass backwards. I don't get why they can't just give you access to that out the box, instead of having to jump through hoops first. Especially when you consider Sonic 3 A.I.R. doesn't do so. Or the Saturn collection Sonic Jam for that matter, with its list of options you can mess with to tweak the games to your liking.
@@DemonDethchase Yeah, it's stupid indeed, and while some won't complain much (assuming they know the code to begin with), I'm in the middle route that I don't really mind much BUT at the same time I hate that as if for whatever reason I forget the cheat, I'll be restricted to Sonic or Tails in Classic Mode... and speaking of that bogus stuff, in Sonic 1 you can play with Sonic+Tails... but ONLY if you use the stage select cheat code and in the player character number is changed to double zero (also that's the ONLY way to disable spindash and enable the S1 spike behavior of ignoring the invis frames after taking a hit, and also the ability to insta-shield with Sonic... which is locked to the option to enable the Sonic 3 element shields that breaks the game's balance... like having an easier time in Labyrinth Zone with the Bubble Shield as long as you don't get hit... and the ability to enable the 7th emerald to enable Super Sonic, Super Tails and Super Knuckles, and speaking of Super Tails... is stupid that he's coded in Sonic 2 but for whatever bogus reason is unused if you don't use Debug Mode and the Super trigger monitor, but at least in Sonic 3 they ported the Mania Super Form and the OG Super Form (you know... the one with the Super Flickies) became the Hyper Form, still, overall the collection has slighty more issues than conveniences (especially on PC, on consoles it may be a decent way to play the games... especially on Switch if your mobile doesn't have enough juice to run those games... which honestly are better options than Switch's "Game Boy" mode).
Back when origins was announced I expected it to be a lackluster collection and after seeing all these videos about origins I was right
I've said this before in another Origins video and I'll say it again - in my opinion, Origins always felt like a massive step backward compared to all the other major Sonic collections (Mega, Gems, even Jam). The Genesis Sonic games are like Doom or Pac-Man to me - they are great games, but I've already played them hundreds of times, so they aren't that appealing on their own to me at this point, Taxman's versions or not. We've got powerful hardware capable of emulating games from 5th and 6th generations of gaming, the fact that many companies are still stuck with re-releasing 8-bit and 16-bit games is very disappointing to me. I would've paid 60 dollars for one big collection featuring every Sonic game pre-2006.
In remarks to Knuckles not/being playable, they also advertised "new playable characters" which the final product doesn't contain. So while not lying with Knuckles they actually did lie.
18:50 Ah yes, the "rockstar" move, remove the classic ones from store and put the new and broken version. All that remain it's to sega say this collection is the "Definitive edition".
You know modern gaming is awful when they can't even get classic compilations right anymore.
Youre acting like every game company sucks
@@cakelayer Every game company I loved have became a shadow of their former self, except Id Software I guess. Valve, refusing to make Half Life 3, SEGA, oh motherfucking Sonic Forces, Nintendo, time to play Wii game on a underpowered console with 2 sticks as controllers for $60! Rockstar, you know what happened.
@@scoundrel8440 I have a lot of beefs with Nintendo but holding a grudge over the Wii when it's 15 years later & the Wii's old enough to be a legacy console is laughable, dude.
@@cabbusses I'm talking about the fucking Nintendo Switch, alright? The Switch is 1. Underpowered. 2. Has 2 sticks that think they are in Initial D as controllers. and 3. Have Wii and Wii U games lazily slapped on the Switch for $60. I have nothing against the Wii, the controller's still better than the joy cons, and the games themselves are solid.
@@scoundrel8440 Games are cheaper and better than they were in the past. inarguable. No problem if you want to stay in the 90's playing those games forever but the industry has moved on and there is plenty good out there. Expand your horizons maybe?
Great video, but I personally got immense joy from finally playing Sonic 3&K on my Switch AND in widescreen. I love that game so much that that alone made the whole thing worth it to me, even if the fan versions are absolutely better.
You can get sonic 3 air on switch with some modding pretty sure, without the crappy glitches
@@thatitalianlameguy2235 Yeah I know, not willing to risk getting banned for a single game
Sonic Origins is a way for Sega to extend their copyright over the classic games, similar to how Disney keeps using Micky & re-releasing old movies.
Modding the Genesis Mini to have extra ROMs in addition to Sonic 3 Complete is the best thing to do in my opinion.
Finally, the review of the classic Sonic remasters you teased all the way back in 2017!
how do you get Sonic 3 and knuckles from steam now since they removed it?
You don't. Your best bet is family sharing with someone who has it (..if that's even allowed).
Or you could just sail the high seas.
He bought before it was removed, I did the same and got the Sonic 3 A.I.R fan-resmaster, I regret nothing
I'll bet my ass the Sonic 3 A.I.R. devs will react to SEGA taking away reasonable access. Just give it a bit of time.
@@wesleybcrowen well i own sonic origins so ;)
@@AniGaAG He did, by using 3d blast
The fact that Sega delisted the separate copies of these games still infuriates me to this day, especially with Sonic CD since I wanted to play the Xbox 360 version but have no way to play it legally because I did not find the time to buy it for some stupid reason. If only there was another way to play that version… :(
I’ve been a Sega fan since I first saw ads for the Master System in 1988. I didn’t get a model two SGEN until 1994 but I still love it to this day. I still have the classic Sonic games, even 3D Blast, which has cool music. I also like the SCD and the 32X and I know how disliked by many they both are. I bought a PS4 so I could play Mania and I love it. But I won’t be getting Origins. Not until it gets a serious patch to fix all its problems. Great video!
Watching deep into the video and quite frankly, I can't blame you for not wanting to purchase these titles when better versions of the games with more care put into them exist for free when Sega even went as far as to delist the other versions off of other platforms (Minus the Sega Arcade on Switch). And while there are those who do enjoy this package simply because there's an option to play these games, I honestly cannot see the benefit nor the incentive to wanna support this, mainly on the subject of its pricing.
An example I will use are Capcom's MegaMan Legacy Collections (Of which, we have "3" out "4", but actually 5 and 7 since 3 collections are split into 2), in which case, yes, they have varying problems that make them off-putting experiences for numerous reasons (Outside of Zero/ZX IMO)...but, they don't actively cost too much or ask you to pay for ridiculous DLC just to have basic features that exist to nickel and dime folks out of their money. And even then, in Sega's situation, their track record with anything Sonic-related also doesn't give one much hope in thinking that something won't be wrong with whatever they put out given that Colors was ultimately (Unintentional...) botched and shames that game's outlook. At this point, we have people asking for them to release collections of the DIMPs era titles, but do we really want them knowing that they're likely to be mediocre recreations that fans might've already enhanced?
Honestly, the legacy collections of MegaMan titles are less stomach churning than sonic origins... Still money hungry, though.
Zero/ZX is very off-putting. I got that as a Christmas gift. Loaded it up, set my options, _including sharp pixels with no filters_ as well as having to very carefully set my resolution and modes to get proper scaling, and started playing. Immediately greeted with blurry filtered cutscene graphics despite picking the sharp pixels option. Promptly closed and then uninstalled the game. Currently playing the Zero games on a MiSTer, and I'll just skip the ZX games since they're just the Zero games but with loads of extra garbage dumped on that makes them significantly less fun.
Oh, and let's not forget that the Classic, X, and recently announced Battle Network collections don't even include all of the games. Some legacy, right?
Capcom and SEGA, neither of them can get anything right.
Neither can Bamco - big friggin' LOL at Klonoa Remasters, just 2 games for $40, with not $5 bonus DLC, but *_$20_* DLC. Somehow Bamco looked at the outrage over the Sonic Origins price and DLC and said "nah, we can do it even worse"
Thank you for being one of the few creators that won't give any money to a disgusting product just for the hell of it.
The reason the super sonic music in sonic 3 sounds like sonic 4 is because it’s actually the super sonic theme for sonic 4 episode 3. Which never came out. But it’s pretty good.
Anyone know how to get the decomp versions of the 1st 3 games on PC? I haven’t heard of these until this video, but by the sounds of it, it requires the Steam Mega Drive Collection versions. I may be wrong. Definitely gonna check out Sonic 3 AIR, though.
redhotsonic made a video on how to get the decompilations for Sonic 1 and 2 up and running: th-cam.com/video/QekdEBOWX7Y/w-d-xo.html
Also works the same for Sonic CD.
@@RetropolisZone Much appreciated! Love your channel, BTW! 👊🏾🫡
If Origins is lacking stuff like a screen filter, something a game from 2017 (Sonic Mania), why I am not surprised it lacks all the options a collection from 1997 (Sonic Jam) had, like difficulty settings, time limit removal and actually being turn on and off the Spin Dash in Sonic 1. All while being able to mix and match settings to your heart's desire, making it like Sonic 3 A.I.R before that was a thing.
Also, along with Knuckles' absence in CD, where is he in the Classic mode of Sonic 2? The mode that boasts about being like playing on a Mega Drive. Its almost as Lock-On technology wasn't a thing back in 1994.
While I would say an Advance widescreen collection would have been better - as when where those games actually given a proper re-release in the one bundle? - but given the shoddy build quality of Origins, I can only wonder the state they'd be in, leaving it again to fans to do what Sega don't and fix their games for them.
History doesn't repeat itself, Sega does.
Also the mention of new characters in the trailers is blatant false advertising, because there are no new characters in the Origin collection. Amy and Metal would have been nice additions, Amy especially given how much screen time she gets in the cutscenes.
Indeed, while you can use the stage select cheats to disable spindash in Sonic 1 (AND to play as Sonic+Tails) and to play as Knuckles in Sonic 2 in classic mode... They SHOULD had allowed those 2 things WITHOUT the need of a cheat code to begin with (I can understand the Sonic 3 barriers in Sonic 1 and 2 since those can break the game balance, but also it blows my mind that Knuckles in CD is not a thing and Amy still excluded despite being featured in the Origins ending video with an active role at Knuckles side... which you can see once you beat all 4 games or the story mode).
@@PikangsFutaba much as I said in my other reply to you, ass backwards logic at its worst... Or finest depending on how you look at it.
I bought this and sadly had to return it on Steam. I'm completely fine with paying more for less titles in a compilation if it means they're accurate and have great enhancements but Origins had neither going for it. I'm completely fine going back to the decompilation fan versions on PC.
And of course sonic forever, sonic 2 absolute and sonic cd restored (decompilation of the original steam version). Versions that use a retro engine and have sharp pixels and cd restored in al not only tails also have the amy and together if an add-on is also the knuckles
Honestly if they just used the music directly from the Sonic and Knuckles Collections PC (very rare to find in good condition now), they could have used the FM synthesized versions for most of the levels.
Edit: I recalled the pack from when I was in the 4th grade, it was called the Sonic Action Pack.
I'm very glad that you properly put things into perspective with the first 9 minutes, discussing mobile and fan ports with proper credits and all that. Good job man, thank you for that.
13:26 Ngl this pic is kinda wholesome lol
What's that remix at the end? I know it's a remix of something, but I can't remember what. 😅
It is a fan remix of the IceCap prototype music.
The pc version of sonic 3 and knuckles released yeeeeears ago on cd rom (1997 I think) had the prototype tracks instead of Jackson choons as well.
Awesome xD I'm glad you all took a picture cuz it looked like you all had fun. Heck yeah.
Also, it's mind boggling that these problems exist with origins. I bought it to be supportive because I thought they put in more work than they did. Seeing as they went through the trouble to do the animations. I was super excited when I saw them xD But it's a sadness to see stuff like this. They used to go all out with the games years ago. Where did that go? Unfortunate :/
Enjoyed the video! Have a nice day everyone.
Heck, after watching the Grand Prix at Silverstone the other day I was in a VERY F1 mood and I bought F1 22 at full price.
I gave EA money (who I'd been boycotting since Crysis 3) before I even thought about giving it to SEGA for this trash.
I could not have imagined myself ever saying that 5 years ago.
You forgot to mention that there's NO online play for Origins whether if it's a Console or P.C, what if I wanted to play against someone across the world or with my friends that are far away, Sega didn't care to do something about it so now you'll have to go back to the 1990's and try to bring your friends over. Heck, even Steam's Remote Play isn't available from the start so P.C Players are screwed the same way with either huddling around a Computer Monitor or laptop in hoping that one has a controller and that your computer has a Bluetooth Connection "hoping that it supports more than one connection" or more USB Plugs "despite that wires aren't that long" since Steam supports Xbox, Playstation and Nintendo Switch Pro controllers or else Multiplayer won't be the best option on P.C at all. Although you can use Parsec but that's just asking to show more of your P.C than go straight to the game.
At least the Mobile Remaster for Sonic 2 had online Multiplayer since Day 1 from the release of the Retro Engine Port.
Reminder that thanks to efforts from Skyth, Darío and rmg chuli (who also helped ducky with the decompilations) the filter in origins has been removed and the mania filters have been backported
Honestly with the red flags before and after it's release. I'm very glad I ended up preordering Capcom Fighting Collection over Sonic Origins.
Why dose it always seem like sega is at fault for when a sonic game is bad in some way
Except Sonic Colors: Ultimate, which is most likely Blind Squirrel's fault.
@@CarloNassar with Sega's permission.
@@CarloNassar SEGA didn't research properly enough into the studio to see their past screw-ups, say the game should've been delayed, or give people refunds. Still their fault.
@@AkameGaKillfan777 Then it's both.
6:18 they did an incredible job, i have it and it runs flawlessly. 16:20 my favorite feature of Sonic 3 AIR is being able to get rid of that Super Sonic music and just have the normal zone music instead, ooooh it's SO much better!!! that repetitive stuff makes me nuts
I am tempted to cut Sega some slack just because they don't have the same freedoms fans have. Like you can include every track for every game when licensing isn't an issue, and you can offer a ton of customization when time isn't a concern. And fans aren't paying people on the same level to add widescreen and crt soft and sharp pixels for four different games, program an emulator to run the original roms, create new menus, etc. Sonic CD is huge and very vertical and Knuckles would need to be able to climb every surface. It's a lot. I mean how much did the animation alone cost? Still, Sega needs to deliver a quality product, and compared with other compilations, they are struggling to do that.
Great video, good to see you're still making quality content all these years later. I'd seen some of the complaints about this game before but didn't realise it was quite this bad. Such a shame given how amazing the mobile ports of 1/2/CD were, can't believe they somehow made something worse than just directly porting those for PCs and consoles
Bad marketing by SEGA, they haven’t learn there lessons - rushing game during development also every time they keep repeating history (rushing) they doom to fail (despite Headcannon responsibility for S3&K) average/mix to good review
They should let Tee Topes do his version of S3&K OST🤔
Fantastic to finally see you are back with a fully detailed analaysis review etc. I've missed your content man and I was always left wondering when you would address and mention the Taxman ports. I'm also super glad that you are already fully aware of the best versions of the games to play. Sonic 3 A.I.R., Sonic 1 Forever, Sonic 2 Absolute, and Sonic CD Decompilation.
Man I want to see more videos like this from you. Keep up the good work. Also you voice sounds a little different but I know you've grown a little older since your Sonic 1, 2, CD quickies don't cut it reviews lol.
If I want a handheld collection of the classic sonic games. I’d just get classic collection for ds or the genesis games and play em on a sega nomad along with getting the 2011 remake of sonic cd.
Origins is just a rushed cash grab. When I saw the announcement trailer I was super hyped but the more news that came the more my hype would drop. 1st the price I’m sorry but as much I love sonic cd I wasn’t going to spend 40 bucks just to play it if they added the sonic advance trilogy maybe I be ok with it. 2nd the dlc did this really need dlc I mean come on really. 3rd the lack of a option to play with a limited lives system with the remastered visuals I find this in particular a baffling choice considering these ports of the mobile versions. 4th the delisting of the other versions this is a scummy business practice. Forcing people to buy this overpriced piece of crap. 5th and the final reason is what stealth said, if your developers aren’t satisfied with the work they done why would I be? I honestly can’t blame them look at those glitches. I don’t know maybe I was expecting too much.but this also the same company that made the shitty remaster of sonic colors. I’m glad i didn’t buy origins and I don’t think I ever will.
The last sonic game I bought was Sonic Mania in 2017. I didn’t buy Forces, Team Sonic Racing, Colours Ultimate & Origins because it seemed they were rushing out titles lacking inspiration & polish (maybe not TSR, I didn’t buy it because it seemed like a downgrade compared to Transformed). & I don’t have high hopes for Frontiers either.
You should snag TSR if it's cheap, it's no replacement for its predecessor (which is a bit unfair because Transformed is literally the best kart racer ever made) but it gets a bad rap because much like people not knowing how to trick in Transformed, the way in which you're supposed to play TSR is not obvious. But if you think about the team mechanics hard enough and recognise the paramount importance of rings, it'll fall into place. It's my go-to racer on Switch, which isn't saying much because there are no other good racers on Switch.
Yeah, all the others stink. This franchise is dead to me.
And the last good Sonic game in 3D was Sonic lost world.
@@carlosbleu7396 Generations
No, Sonic lost world was a good game too but only different from usual.
@@carlosbleu7396 It was a blatant Mario rip-off with inconsistent level design and non-fleshed out one-off gimmicks. The writing was also some of the worst in the entire series.
I will say it to death, man. Forever thanks to DJspindash for making the Sonic 3 AIR prototype themes sound as good as they do. Just mentioning it because everyone seems to forget they weren't like that right off the bat, and had to be carefully remade by someone truly skilled, and they deserve all the credit I can give.
I’m not the biggest fan on the remasters because the controls still aren’t as close as I’d like, I notice it especially with Sonic CD, I love the 16:9 of the remasters but the controls of Sonic CD always feel more natural on Mega CD. I honestly wish all of the games had Sonic 3 A.I.R style remakes, it’s perfect, the controls feel super accurate unlike the retro engine but it has everything else configurable that I could possible want, and the blue balls stages even look better than the Sonic Origins version. I refuse to buy Origins because I can’t support rushed games like this, I might even pirate it out of spite, Sega did such a bad job here and it’s full of bugs and issues, many of which could’ve been avoided really easily, the DLC is scummy, the price is disgusting, it’s just inexcusable.
A well put together opinions video. It strongly contrasts with my experience with the game as I've barely had any issues with it on the Series X. Though seeing how fans did a better job already, I can see where the frustrations are coming from. Though this is my first time playing the games with the Retro engine and improvements they got really help give the game a better quality of life polish. The price doesn't bother me too much though I would've loved it if the anniversary mode had remixed tracks for all of the stages and a way to select a custom track to listen to. Although I will completely agree that the "classics" mode was very poorly done and makes me think "What was the point of this if it's not the actual classics?". Though I think I've been having a better time with it simply because before getting this game I got Mario Strikers Battle League and have been completely underwhelmed with the title and actually see more value in Origins because of it. I know that's a pretty sad comparison but I have also enjoyed my time playing Origins and have very rarely come across any glitches. Hopefully this game gets some great patches in the future.
Weird flex ik but when the shadow the hedgehog review gonna come out lel
@@entertainer_ev2747 A very good question, and unfortunately I don't have a response for it. Right now I have some other video projects I'm dying to work on, there's a small chance I can work on it then but no promises.
Yeah, I’ve played it on PS5 and had a great experience. Only glitch I’ve experienced was the “Tails AI Jump Loop”. It’s not game breaking at all but Tail’s AI keep jumping while off screen until you complete the level.
My major criticisms of the game is the music replacement in Sonic 3K, lack of playable Knuckles in CD & I wish there were more animated scenes with the games.
Great video!😄
For now, I'll just stick with Sega Ages Sonic 1 & 2 on my Switch & Nintendo 3DS and Sonic Mega Collection on GameCube!😁👍
Here's some little-known but interesting trivia about the Prototype tracks.
They did actually get used in an official release of Sonic 3&K in the 90s! Namely, in the "Sonic & Knuckles Collection" CD release for PC. Presumably because of those same licensing issues, that particular and obscure release actually used the prototype tracks. I actually grew up with it, so those tracks weren't new to me when the prototype came to light!
The sad thing is that in Brazil,sega turned up the game price to 254 bucks!!!
And the other sonic games on steam are basicly doubled the prices
WTF!? seriously sega!? this is horrible!!!
Add in the Game Gear games, take out the pricing gimmick and make it a $40 package straight up. No DLC, no nonsense. Fix the glitches and add maybe Spinball or Mean Bean Machine as an extra. This game could've sold itself. I don't know what goes on in the minds of these companies- even from the standpoint of wanting to maximize profit. This offering is a complete joke.
*Sega went all EA this year*
Jun Senoue was actually a composer for S3&K, he's credited in both games
the reason people may not know that is because from the very beginning he was terrible at making music with the genesis sound chip
the reason everything he makes in that 'classic' style sounding like sonic 4 is because he doesn't understand what made that music sound good
don't get me wrong, his music made the dreamcast era of sonic games, it's just that most things after and everything before just aren't his field of expertise
I feel it is WAY past time copyright law got a MASSIVE overhaul, allowing games like Sonic 3, Gran Turismo 1 and whatever else you can think of, as well as TV shows like Muppet Babies, WKRP and The Great Space Coaster, to be rereleased more easily. It should be able to take you MUCH less negotiation with the original artists to reuse their music, and/or just pay the artist for every sale/stream/rerun of your game or show! Sonic 3 and Muppet Babies are both highly celebrated pieces of media and had The Great Space Coaster been made more readily available, Family Guy fans like me would’ve more easily been able to see what that cutaway from I Take Thee, Quagmire is a parody of! Furthermore, rereleasing Sonic 3 without its original soundtrack is like rereleasing ANY OTHER Sonic game without its original soundtrack! Sega clearly haven’t been themselves for YEARS. Even after the disputes between Sega of Japan and America, they still continued to be themselves somewhat, but shortly into the 2010s, they just shat the bed and started to not do so much!
If I were made Sega’s new boss next week, I would:
- have Sonic Origins patched to eliminate all these bugs and restore Sonic 3’s original soundtrack (or at least look into offering the latter as paid DLC)
- work on getting more older games rereleased, and not just from the Mega Drive era!
- enter discussions with Blaze for possible Sega carts for the Evercade
- start announcing new games not based on existing IP
- just get better as a company overall
I agree with you. Especially in regards to Sonic Origins, because the collection is embarrassing.
I would also add in ALL the features from Sonic 1 Forever, Sonic 2 Absolute, Sonic 3 A.I.R., and Sonic CD Restored and Knuckles (with the Shield+ Add on). Seriously, they are the TRUE definitive versions of those games.
Those last two aren't just something you can pull out of a hat when you're in charge of a dry well, everyone that was going to just make more new IPs to give to SEGA such as Naka and Oshima were ran out long ago and when they tried to make a new IP these days, the end result was...Balan Wonderworld.
I don't get why sonic is so horribly mismanaged. Yakuza is one of their best series and that has been going really well. Sonic is their most popular series, it deserves more.
And with the way frontier's looks, I don't think that'll be good. You'd think they would have learned not to release a sonic game early so that it comes on a bs anniversary date. Sales don't go up if it's released on an anniversary. It's marketing that doesn't work. They have failed at this multiple times. How have they not learned from their mistakes?
Funnily enough, Forces made up a "26th" Anniversary, and for not being a broken mess, its still a mediocre dump
Clearly they haven't learned if they are bringing back Chemical Plant for the 5 Millionth time in a row. All that zone has going for it is it's music TBH. Green Hill, I actually get why they would keep bringing it back, It screams Sonic. Makes sense to include it. The only reason why Chemical Plant is remembered is because of the music and the Pink Water section. Which I forgot even existed because I always take the route that has no water on it in both Sonic 2 and Mania.
Actually Sonic Frontiers was said to release last year for his 30th anniversary. But it was delayed to this year
@@mart5610 even the current sonic frontiers game looks to be rushed cause why else would they delay the game in the first place?
@@zone_act_129 i don't even know
Sega just loves making the worst decisions possible
Well said, Sonic Origins is an embarrassment to the Sonic Franchise. The Collection was already a disappointment, but there are THREE major factors that make this a dealbreaker to me:
First up is the Michael Jackson music for Sonic 3, it is all absent, even the music for Carnival Night, Ice Cap, and Launch Base. The replacement music just sounds really, really bad! (It's like nails on a chalkboard)
The Second factor is the lives system has been replaced with coins in the Widescreen Modes, which removes all the challenge from these games, the coins just make all of this TOO EASY!!
The Third One is Denuvo on PC, which can make the entire collection UNPLAYABLE!!!
Between the absence of the Michael Jackson music, the fact that you can't get Game Overs in Widescreen Mode, Denuvo, and all the other problems with this collection, it's just a mess. SEGA does not deserve to be in charge of the Sonic Franchise anymore!
Sonic 1 Forever
Sonic 2 Absolute
Sonic 3 A.I.R. (With all the MJ music along with a couple of tracks from the past Sonic games)
Sonic CD Restored & Knuckles
Are still the definitive ways to play these titles.
And why pay 40 bucks for this collection, when you can get the Sonic Mega Collection + and Sonic Gems Collection and not only get better versions of the games in Sonic Origins, but also get even more games? Granted you would have to get older video game consoles, but right now Sonic Origins certainly is not worth 40 dollars.
Might get this on Nintendo Switch, but only on a DEEP discount. But seriously, SEGA should just give up and sell the Sonic Franchise to someone who is willing to take better care of it.
First off, not having Michael Jackson tracks is an unfair complaint due that's out of Sega's control. Michael Jackson tracks is the copyright situation Sega has to begin with not re-releasing Sonic 3 for years. Sega has to pay royalties to MJ estate to use these tracks. Also, the prototype tracks are really great. Second off, As good as Sonic Mega Collection and Sonic Gems Collection are, they're basically Genesis(In Sonic CD's case, PC) ROMs of these games rather than the superior Christian Whitehead and Stealth Retro Engine versions of these games.
Sega are charging 40 dollars for old games they can afford to pay the royalties.
Great video. With you one hundred percent! How else are they going to learn? 🚫💰🚫
Knuckles would not work in CD.
Most of the terrain is too high for him to reach.
I played as Knuckles in Sonic CD Restored and he's actually playable. Even the Metal Sonic race can be completed as him.
great channel. hello from the UK. Sega should let their developers release the game when it's ready not to an ultra strict deadline. as a PAL gamer I doubt I'll get the music at my preferred speed.
I propose the reason misslabled tracks slipped through is one word "crunch"
Well said, RZ. TheSqueakerNerd brought this up, but if you want a Sonic 3 AIR equivalent for Sonic 1 and 2's decomp, try out Sonic 1 Forever and Sonic 2 Absolute. These two fan projects are awesome!
I'm happy I've learned of said fan projects through this video and the comments. Though it will take an age considering how many games I can play... I just want a solid S3&K port... From SEGA.
I bought this for Steam and saved a bit of money by getting it through another site, but if I'd gotten it from Steam directly, I would probably have returned it. You're right... The versions that were improved by fans instead of tossed out by corporate Sega are much better. There is severe hitching, it's blurry, and there are those other problems you mentioned. I haven't played it much. This will be my final Sonic game I ever buy unless Sega gets smart (though I've seen at least a quarter of a century of stupidity out of Sega in the past 31 years, and there's no real hope of it subsiding) and produces a Sonic Mania 2, or even better, a full 2D Sonic game in the style of the classic Genesis games (basically, Sonic Mania but with all new zones). Barring that, I'm done with Sonic games and Sega's cash grabs. And Sega's response will undoubtedly be "pEoPLe dONt LiKe sOnIC gaMeS!"
15:27 Spotted TheLonelyGoomba and his grumpiness.
The Sound Quality Mixing is very alarming with these games, certain tracks sound lower and I always found myself turning up my volume. The Coins could’ve had more going for them and I do wish there were better things to spend them on like mentioned in the video. The collection could really use an update which fixes all the issues mentioned, but it’s very sad that 30 year old games in a collection even need patching, because back in the day no such things existed, games were made and if they were rushed they will forever be bad, delayed games are eventually good.
Please stop with that Miyamoto quote, only people stuck in the 20th century believe that.
@@AkameGaKillfan777 publishing unfinished games still has a negative impact on the product and the company. Also the quote remains partially true to this day. When most people think of Star Wars Battlefront 2 they think about how EA implemented loot boxes among other things.
@@anonman8661 I seem to remember BF becoming wildly successful after the microtransactions were removed and the game was rebalanced without them.
@@AkameGaKillfan777 yet every time people talk about battle front 2 they mostly mention it's horrible launch state.
The whole game is absolutely broken and I’m actually really mad about it! The more you play it, the more stuff you notice… I’m over SEGA and their trash
What does anisotropic mean? What makes sharp scaling better?
If anything, my lack of knowledge shows just how behind I am with regards to game development.
Anisotropic filtering is a technique that makes distant objects look sharper (and by extension, nicer).
Sharp scaling isn't necessarily better, just that Retropolis Zone (and many others) want their pixels sharp.
Sales are indeed the language they speak.
Hence why this good boy stayed far away from Colors Ultimate and Origins, and made sure to buy Frontiers at full price. I hope enough people did and will do the same - I _need_ them to get the message, now that there's hope again.
My only BIG gripe with Origins is the pricing, and that's one thing everyone can agree on the pricing sucks. If it was $20 like Mania and $4.99 for the DLC, we clearly wouldn't have this problem. Thanks EA.
I'm not even mad or disappointed that the MJ music didn't make it into Sonic 3 (Maybe except Ice Cap, but still.) What I AM disappointed over, however, is that they made the prototype soundtracks sound bad *AGAIN* by taking the tracks from an earlier prototype instead of taking it from the beta we know like normal sane people. I much prefer the more original take Beta CNZ had over the stereotypical mess that was the final version, but they ruined it in Origins. The new Super theme isn't bad, it just doesn't fit with the rest of the game.
I am still proud of the visual changes made to Sonic 3, like Big Arms returning for Sonic and Tails, and the Launch Base transition to Mushroom Hill, which makes me wish A.I.R. had that. It probably will have that in a future update, who knows?
The glitches can't be ignored either. Fortunately nothing too broken except the AI Tails respawn glitch which doesn't crash the game, but still.
And the confirmation on where Sonic CD takes place in the timeline. The only reason I would have any reason to believe this prior is that the levels in Sonic CD are enhanced versions of the levels from Sonic 1. Maybe also Amy always being the Minnie Mouse to Sonic's Mickey Mouse. (Which was one of Sonic's inspirations.)
There shouldn't be any DLC period, it's a collection of 20+ year-old games, let alone day 1
@@AkameGaKillfan777 But if there had to be DLC, it shouldn't cost much, if not at all. Look at the DLC for Sonic Adventure. As far as I know, they cost no money.
@@HiyoriAroused That game had DLC?
@@AkameGaKillfan777 Well, the Dreamcast version did. I thought a lot of people already knew this.
what strikes me is that they made a new super theme for 3+K instead of using the beta unused song which I think fits really well as a super theme (and doesn't use the awful instruments that Jun Senoue loves to use for "retro" songs)
Glad that not everyone is a sheeple.
Exactly there’s was this one idiot who looked down on 2d Sonic fans yet he bought the Super Mario 3d All Stars collection
@@hattoripool1533 ....i hate blaming mario sonic fanbase