The Most Incredible Conversion Story Ever (w/ John Edwards)
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- In this episode of The Cordial Catholic, I'm joined by podcaster, writer, and speaker John Edwards to share what I think is the most incredible conversion story ever.
John breaks the record previously held by the wonderful Tsh Oxenreider as he speaks for a full hour unpacking his whirlwind conversion story: through a crippling drug addiction, successes and failures, ups and downs, and an incredible return to the Catholic Church through the grace of vulnerability and the sacraments John's story is absolutely breath-taking. I can promise you'll be on the edge of your seat throughout; and once you start, you won't be able to hit pause!
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Funny I listened to this conversation about a year ago and I wasn’t considering Catholicism at that time. God is now leading me to the Catholic Church after 10 years in the evangelical Protestant church. Amazing testimony God bless you 🙏🙏🙏
Awesome!
Blessings to you, God Loves us All and is happy you are enjoying the Faith in his Holy Catholic Church and Family.💖🙏💖
Prayers for your journey 🙏❤️🔥
@carakerr4081, how are you? I hope you finally decided to “Come Home.” If not, COME ON OVER, FRIEND! What do you have to lose? Just come right in and when you’re in and you decide it was not what you expected, hey, you’re free to return to your old church. One thing to FOCUS on while you’re thinking about it some more. How do you reconcile with our Lord’s message in John 6? Remember, all His disciples left Him after that exhortation. And, they could not “bear” and “accept” it because they all knew Jesus meant what He said to EAT His Body and DRINK His Blood. And, when they all left He did NOT call them back and appease them by saying, “Come back. I meant it to be just a SYMBOL.” No He did not! Because God will NEVER force Himself on us! God bless you. friend❤️🙏❤️🔥🙏
WOWW!👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I only put this on to get me through ironing. I cried loud Nigerian tears, I laughed, I clapped, I praised our Awesome God Of Mercy! What a life he has lived, what a turnaround! And John thought listeners would be bored? This is better than Netflix and Prime Video! Fantastic. God bless you both🙏🏾❤️
What a comment. Thank you so much! Wow!
Truly Praise The Lord!
"I will not divorce you because of the vows I made to God". So proud of you Angela ☺💕
That was the moment I cried the first time. How amazing and faithful she is. 💖
@@MelaniesManicures 1John 3:1 "See what love the Father has bestowed on us that we may be called the Children of God". :) We are indeed the Children of God ! :)
Amen!
She’s a good Catholic.
@@MelaniesManicures🙏
I became a catholic at the age of eighteen. I just posted my first video sharing my video. Your take is so true, more than just becoming catholic… the power of the sacraments!
Can you please share the link to your conversion story?
Sacraments have no power. JESUS has and it might be through sacraments.
There is nothing that converts like genuine christian witness. John you are converting and saving people with your story. God bless
You have 57K views. We appreciate you sharing. You are a hero. for helping us save our souls. Your story is a good example to hear the Mercy of God. We all need His mercy and we appreciate you reminding us of His Mercy. You helped a lot of men and fathers humble themselves to the Lord.
Thank you for letting us hear the love, the goodness and the mercy of God.
God Bless you and your family.
So enjoyed your story very much, John!! I’m a Catholic Life Coach and I am definitely sharing your story with others ❤🤗🙏🏻 God bless you and your family!!
Thanks for watching, and sharing!
Amazing story. It gives a mother hope for a lost son.
I hope so!
It’s a truly vital point that is made - about men needing a space in which to be vulnerable. I work with men who have been pornography addicts and online sex offenders. A theme that comes up all the time is their keeping everything to themselves and never talking about woundedness. May God always bless your work.
Jeremiah 1:4 The Lord said to me, 5 " I chose you before I gave you life, and before you were born. You speak from your heart with your testimony God bless you and your family's and God bless you two ❤❤
What a beautiful and powerful testimony! What a marvelous God we have! It’s amazing to see the wondrous things he does when a person surrenders his life to Him. God bless you John, God bless your wife and blessing to those faithful priests!
As a lifelong protestant, I'm sitting here in tears. Longing to go to confession. Wow, what a story. So, You're telling me Jesus is in the sacraments??...
I heard his story, when he talked at Matt‘s Channel about it. Crying like a child. Everyone should hear it.
Just listened to this.. Yip. Cried like a baby
Where can i find it please? If u can share the link please. Thank u very much, Godbless🙏
th-cam.com/users/live87uzBUMS8Ps?si=JknGdprt-qzUCYRb
@eyesonyou8296
I think he is talking about Matt Fradd
th-cam.com/users/live87uzBUMS8Ps?si=JknGdprt-qzUCYRb
Thank you for sharing your story.... Welcome to Catholic Faith.
God loves us no matter what we have done. Thank you John for sharing your story.
John, you most certainly did not put me to sleep. What a story of converting your life to Christ and helping so many others to do the same. As I listened I also thought of all the sins that I have hidden well from every one...including even in the confessional. Thanks for sharing your story.
You definitely have a good Catholic wife, so blessed. God is so good and the miracles He preforms without us realising. He knows exactly what we need and sometimes we need to be strip right back, to bring us back to humility. All glory to God. God bless you all.
Wow! Thank so much for sharing John 😊 God bless you and your family. It is so wonderful to see God working in men’s hearts. We need holy men! Thank you for responding to God’s call and for touching the hearts of other men who need to know that they are all loved so dearly by God. What a good God!
Thanks for watching!
Wow, John! I did not fall asleep! 🤣 I was at the edge of me seat! And now, *I want to see the Real Life Movie!*
Bro this was amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was upset with my boys because they didn’t put away the washed clothes. I started folding them while listening to this story and it was perfect, I was uninterrupted while doing the clothes which was perfect so as to be able to listen to this story.
Wow amazing story!!!!!!!
Wow! That's really an amazing conversion story! God bless you John.
John, you are a source of help to all of humanity which daily fails in so many ways, ending up believing they are worth nothing. Yet God loves intensely every single person who has lived or will live. Your experience shows how truly wonderful is the mercy of God who forever calls each individual. We must learn how glorious it is to answer that call
Praise Jesus! Wow, absolutely amazing.
Indeed!
Incredible testimony... Wow.. So genuine and humble. God Bless both of you and I pray we meet in heaven someday!
Gosh this story brought me to tears so many times.
It's very deep. I've learned something important about confession. Thank you.
Confession is giving a bath to your soul. Restore your relationship with Jesus and He pours His grace on you.
“We’re not the sum of our sins, we are the sum of His love” ❤love that!!
I think every human is the same in that we crave those things that become addictions. What we really crave is God. We just don’t know it. It’s such a difficult transition to wean off earthy addictions to trust 100% in God. When it happens it’s such a victory. Because we will never go back to the fake “high” So never be ashamed of your past, any one of you out there Because sometimes that’s what it takes before you finally find your true love in God. God uses everything in our lives as stepping stones that lead to the doorstep of His mercy
Reminds me of Ebenezer Scrooge after his encounter with the spirits of past and present in Dickens’ A Christmas Carol. Such grace! God bless us, every one.
What a great story! Teared up when all the men got up “like pistons!”
Real life is messy and honesty is the food we all need, to help us realize we are all sinners and you are not going to shock a Priest with your confession. Shame and fear are weapons of the Devil. We need to be willing to humble ourselves and accept forgiveness from God and forgive ourselves and then let it go. 🙏💖🙏
Very inspirational story!! More men bead to read “Be a Man!” Great book!! Keep sharing!!
John is creating a new dynamic for male only ministry. It is a great need of the times when men are losing their masculinity and with it the gift of being good if not great fathers and husbands to their families, the smallest unit of society. Bless also John’s beautiful faithful patient w❤fe who brought him to the Catholic faith and also became his rock at the lowest point of his double life she did not know about. The concept of Alcohol Anonymous has been proven through the ages because while we sin alone we can only have healing with people helping us get over it by just listening and not judging us. Then, the Holy Spirit can take over in bringing us back to the Loving Always Waiting Father through Jesus. Mother Mary will also intercede for us as well asSt. Joseph if we ask them to.
Wow, so powerful ❤❤
Great story. Thank you for sharing from South Africa.
Thanks for watching! My wife and I love South Africa! We spent some time there years ago!
Wow, we need to understand God's love and mercy. Trust in Him. His suffering led to our redemption, all we need to do is ask for the grace to transform our suffering so that we don't transmit it to others.
Glory to God! Wonderful testimony! Our Lord is so merciful! When he touches our heart we fall in love! May God bless you, your family, your ministry.🙏
The evil wants us to be stuck in our sins. He doesn’t want us to go to confession.
We need to let go of our pride. Confession teaches us to humble ourselves unto God. 🙏🏼❤️
The evil one is really attacking the sanctity of family. Prayers for the patriarch of the family. Strengthen their faith so they can protect their families. 🙏🏼❤️
Thankyou for showing us the real loven forgiveness n longing for Our Father in heaven longs for us to return to Him no one is ‘ not worth the saving’ That’s the evil one making a last grab for our souls.
What an impactful testimony! Thank you, thank you, thank you for putting this show together. What a gift!
Wow this is so beautiful. Your transparency and ownership is a beautiful testimony to God. Praise God
I was so moved to tears with this testimony. You have an amazing family and wife. The priest was amazing as well. Glory to God! I can relate to your story and I pray it touches others who are stuck in the grips of addiction. I’m so happy for you and your journey!
Im a new convert from this past Easter vigil and confession was so amazing and it was so wonderful to get out all of my sins to a priest that was ordained by God acting in persona Christi and looks you right in your eyes and gives absolution. I know that as a Protestant we could ask Jesus for forgiveness but I held on to those sins never forgiving myself. Confession is a beautiful sacrament and Jesus is so amazing for giving us this gift and then to receive Jesus in the Eucharist at communion is one of the most wonderful moments of my life. Every time I am United with Christ is just amazing to know He is with me and his Grace is what I need. I just love being Catholic and I want everyone to experience it. Loved this video. I definitely was not sleeping at all. I hope everyone gets a chance to hear this testimony and see there is hope and joy in life with Christ no matter what you have done or how far we’ve fallen. Amen! 🙏
@@solafide9533 you love to comment on every Catholic video. Hi nice to see you again. But I disagree with your theological ideas. I’ll pray for you.
@@solafide9533 you said it. Theology is based on truth like the Catholic faith.
@@solafide9533 Why are you saying, “R church”? What does that mean?….
Nobody bows down to statues. They bow down to Christ the source of all grace. Why don’t you use google and find out the answers instead of spamming every comment on every Catholic TH-cam video. Catholic answers is a great source, but of course the Bible is the best source. You will find most answers there, but not all. The rest of the answers come from the Catechism of the Catholic Church in which all traditions have been handed down since Saint Peter. But you don’t want answers. You want to keep posting things you believe to be true with your own personal interpretation of the Bible. We luckily have a Church that was created by Jesus that interprets the Bible so we are never confused unless we don’t know our faith. Revelations 5:8 relates to praying to saints. Saints=anyone who went to Heaven. Of course there wasn’t because the Bible ended and life continued as the church decided what books went in the bible. Thank you to the Catholic Church for compiling the bible. Unfortunately Protestants removed 7 books. Important books that you are missing. And yes the apostles baptized believers with Holy water. They didn’t merely break bread..Jesus said, “This is my body” & “this is my blood”…”unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no life within you”. Also the disciples murmured and many left because it was so shocking! At mass we are participating in the passion and are receiving the Body, Blood, Soul & Divinity of Jesus Christ. And Popes don’t demand anyone kiss their hands and feet. Pope Francis actually washed and kissed prisoners feet this past Easter. It was beautiful and it brought tears to my eyes. Every priest washes regularly peoples feet at Easter as Jesus did.
I don’t want a lollipop. By the way that sounds so condescending.
@@solafide9533 I was asking you….What are you meaning by R church?
@@solafide9533 When you bow down to kneel, what are you looking at or standing in front of?…I’ll guess…Maybe a person in front of you in a pew, maybe it’s in front of a pastor? Maybe you’re in front of a wall. Does that mean you’re worshiping those things? Our minds and hearts are bowing to God when we bow and pray. We know that all source of Grace is from God. We see the grace God poured out to the saints that are in Heaven and all Glory is to God. We are thankful to God that we see how the saints lived and followed the Lord and we thank God for the gift of learning from the saints and how they lived their lives. You see what you want from a photo, but you don’t see what’s actually happening in a person’s soul. Have you ever looked at photos of your loved ones or kissed their photo? Have you ever cried when you missed them?
At 53:58 Not a chance of being asleep. I did shed some tears. Also I did stop to praise the Lord for saving John's life. Wow. What a witness.
I thank God for these good men ❤
Moving in the change possible when faith in Christ takes center stage in our lives…. Thank you!!!
One word… AMAZING!!!
Jesus be with you always, God bless for ever
Praise the Lord Jesus Christ!
Fantastic story. Glory to God!
What an amazing and inspiring story! You're blessed to have such loving parents, and a wonderful wife. This story proves again the story of God's love and mercy.
I learned some years ago (after reading Imitation of Christ) never to judge a person for a misfortune or to give up on someone because of his sinful ways. To do these would be to question God's plan for the person. Instead, we should hope and pray for the person to receive God's love and mercy. And, of course, we should do the same for ourselves.
Thank you, John, for your testimony, and now this 75-year-old from the Philippines has become one of your supporters in your mission (and this channel's, too) through prayer.
Praise the Lord 🙏
IF only these miracles would save ALL addicts, and in a perfect world there would be NO divorce nor broken families.
Some people live a very long time living on their addictions and vices, a very long time they live doing this bad lifestyle.
Unfortunately, there are too many of us who suffer from their hardened hearts and selfish choices.
God bless you, your wife, and your sweet children.
I have so much more to write, but I'm certain you get the point.
Praise be Jesus Christ that your life was turned around.
What a story thanks for sharing
Perfectly said respond to the Lord.
What a riveting story! Thank you for sharing John.
Thanks for watching!
Beautiful. Beautiful.
Thanks for watching!
Amazing testimony!!
What an amazing story!
Thanks for watching!
Wow. God is so good.
Awesome testimony
Thank you 🙏
Thanks for watching!
I love this
Amazing ❤
God humbles us only for exalt us, It's a real life 's example your story.please pray for me that I may appreciate the Dacrament of confession as you do
We’re praying for you!
Thanks for sharing. Watching from the Philippines.
In all churches for 300??????? Omw. I think its best if no one reply to you any further. The hatred is bad. And yes Jesus started the Catholic church through Peter.
1:11:01 Honest question that I don’t expect and even hope won’t be answered: What, at this point, constitutes “messing up very badly”?
After you’ve kicked the cocaine and the pornography and all the lying that goes along with it, what does one go to confess every other week?
“I indulged my memory of pornography I looked at ten years ago”?
“I said something sarcastic and cutting to my best friend.”
I’m certainly not denying that we all fall back into sin. We do, and we need (I need) to go to confession to be healed and be free to live as better Christians.
My difficulty is with a kind of pettiness, maybe even scrupulosity that seems anything but freeing.
In any event, an absolutely fantastic story. Thanks to both the Cordial Catholic and John for really bringing it!
@po18guy Awesome! Thank you, po18guy, I’ll get it.
John 1:33 Genesis 1:2, 7, 9, with out water everything on earth dead water is the blessing from God, I'm Catholic I love God the Father I love Jesus Christ the Lord the Son of God Almighty I love the Holy Spirit the Spirit is God I love all human being I don't hate anyone, this is the faith I learn from Catholic Church faith love one another earnestly and forgive one another earnestly this is the teaching from Catholic Church, love
Great video
Thanks for watching!
Be humble n ask for Mercy He has already paid the price for our sins. Paying forward.
Our Lord Jesus Christ opened heaven for us again, giving us a chance to be happy with Him in Heaven.
Our actual sins, they are on us. We need to work our salvation with fear and trembling . But God is so good and great He founded and established His Church (Called it Bride of Christ) appointed St
Peter as the first leader with succession
upon death. He send us leaders to teach and baptized those who wanted to partake of his way of salvation.
What I notice about confession is that when I struggle with sth and give it to God in confession, it gets easier to deal with or it goes away completely.
Wow
Bawling 😭😭
@Kerry Topel *As usual R ctists love to take verses out of context. Jesus was so clear what He really meant. It is "he who believes in Jesus who has eternal life".*
*"eat of Jesus = believe in Jesus"*
Joh 6:40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day."
Joh 6:47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.
you said
What is wrong with you Protestants? You’ve thrown out so much of what the Scriptures say: “Unless you eat of my flesh and drink of my blood you do not have life in you…” “this IS my body… this IS my blood-the blood of the new and everlasting covenant which will be poured out for you
The context of 1 Corinthians 10-1-5 is Paul is talking about those under the law of Moses, not to the Christians who ate of the body and blood of the new covenant.
You're not as good at exegesis as you think.
1 Corinthians 10:1-5 KJV - 1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, *how that all our fathers* were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. 5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
@@alisterrebelo9013 *Too bad you are wrong once again. Apostle Paul was linking Old Testament to NT communion. Vs 16-17. He said "eat the same spiritual meat".*
1Co 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?
1Co 10:17 For we, though many, are one bread and one body; for we all partake of that one bread.
*You're not as good at exegesis as you think.*
you said
The context of 1 Corinthians 10-1-5 is Paul is talking about those under the law of Moses, not to the Christians who ate of the body and blood of the new covenant.
You're not as good at exegesis as you think.
1 Corinthians 10:1-5 KJV - 1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. 5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
There are traditional Catholics that have scriptures showing communion under one kind for the laity the host only I saw a miraculous photograph of a host it had swirls of blood in it so when you partake of the body you're also partaking of the blood the flesh has blood in it
1:03:03 "God, the Father of mercies, through the death and the resurrection of his Son has reconciled the world to Himself and sent the Holy Spirit among us for the forgiveness of sins; through the ministry of the Church may God give you pardon and peace, and I absolve you from your sins in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."
So it's not just saying, "you are forgiven." In fact, it could possibly render it an invalid Sacrament of Reconciliation.
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message to my protestant brothers (please read and reread John Chapter 6)--> at JOHN 6:53 (i.e. communion) is either a symbol or it is literally Jesus Flesh and Blood...at John 6:30 his disciples requested a sign --> (be attentive to how Jesus responded) 6:30They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
6:31Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
6:32Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
6:33For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
6:34Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
6:35And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
6:36But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
now... when his disciples requested a sign at John6:30 they were asking for a miracle (what doust thou work?) they were
asking him to work a miracle
a symbol is not a miracle
please research what the early church believed about the Lord's Supper....this belief is the essence of Catholic faith
I left protestantism because I couldn't find a protestant church that did it literally...I didn't want to go back to the Catholic church....scripture forced me to (KJV scripture)
I never heard him talking about having an experience with Jesus repentance Turning his heart towards God and getting filled with the Holy Ghost ?
Then you weren't listening.
@@mkrier13 post the time stamp
Confession is turning to Jesus. Communion is where he received the body, blood, soul & divinity of Jesus Christ. He didn’t say those exact words, but that is definitely what happened and continues to happen every time we pray, attend mass where Jesus is truly present, receiving our Lord in the Eucharist and receiving forgiveness from the priest that acts in persona Christi (the person of Christ). The Holy Spirit led him in his entire conversion.
@@MelaniesManicures you can confess without turning your heart towards Jesus
@@Max_G43 in the Catholic Church you cannot confess without turning your heart toward Jesus because the priest is acting in persona Christi so you are literally towards Jesus in confession.
@Mary Margarette *Not sure if you could understand simple English. Since when i ever said "i do not believe in John 6". 1 Cor 10:3-4 says communion is spiritual. Why dont you believe. Why do you deny God and His Words? Why do you ignore His Words?*
*John 6 did not say "eat of physical Jesus". Which part says so low wit? Please answer. This is a simple question.*
you said
why you do not believe that Jesus is in the eucharistic. He is an Emanuel. Jesus says my flesh is food indeed and my blood is drink indeed. Why you did not believe his words you ignore him.
The context of 1 Corinthians 10-1-5 is Paul is talking about those under the law of Moses, not to the Christians who ate of the body and blood of the new covenant.
You're not as good at exegesis as you think.
1 Corinthians 10:1-5 KJV - 1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, *how that all our fathers* were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. 5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
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You have the most beautiful wife in the whole world.
👍
@alisterrebelo9013 *Hilarious claims. Roman canon was merely a local canon via a local council. Not a Universal Canon fixed by bishops of all churches in an Ecumenical Council. Roman pagan council had zero authority pretending to have fixed a Universal Canon for all churches.*
you said
of course you accept the councils.
Otherwise show me how you arrived to the Canon, its a really simple question, for an extraordinary well studied person like yourself.
@alisterrebelo9013 *Too bad you are wrong once again. Apostle Paul was linking Old Testament to NT communion. Vs 16-17. He said "eat the same spiritual meat".*
1Co 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?
1Co 10:17 For we, though many, are one bread and one body; for we all partake of that one bread.
*You're not as good at exegesis as you think.*
you said
The context of 1 Corinthians 10-1-5 is Paul is talking about those under the law of Moses, not to the Christians who ate of the body and blood of the new covenant.
You're not as good at exegesis as you think.
1 Corinthians 10:1-5 KJV - 1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. 5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
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@alisterrebelo9013 *Thank you for your admission. You are admitting Church of ROme was not the Universal Church. That suffices. Since Roman religion (or Roman Catholic Church) was/is not the Univeral Church, it has ZERO AUTHORITY. No one needs to follow this pagan religion.*
you said
the Catholic Church included the Churches at Ephesus, Alexandria, Thessalonica, Corinth, AND ROME
@alisterrebelo9013 *You are wrong once again. *Bible does not accept all traditions. Especially Roman pagan traditions where 95% of Roman pagan doctrines came from.*
*1. Yes Roman Catholics love misquoting 2 Thes **2:15**. But 2 Thes **2:15** does not disprove Sola Scriptura. Sola Scriptura ACCEPTS all traditions of Jesus and Apostles, 2 Thes **2:15**; but REJECTS all traditions of men, Mat 15, Mat 23, Mark 7. 95% of Roman Catholic doctrines were from traditions of men. Not from traditions of Jesus or Apostles.*
*- Acceptable Traditions (those of Jesus and Apostles, 2 Thes **2:15**)* and
*- Unacceptable Traditions (traditions of men, Mat 15, Mat 23, Mark 7).*
*2. It is interesting to note: that even authorities like Jesus, APostles and NT CHurch also appealed to Scriptures only for doctrines. We often see them citing from Scriptures/Written Word only for doctrines (180 plus times they did that just in NT alone). Not once did we see them citing traditions as support for any doctrines. NOT ONCE.*
*3. Do you know 95% of Roman religion doctrines were from "traditions of men"? God/Jesus did not command Roman Catholics to practise all these. Mar 7:8, Col 2:8*
*Bible describes "traditions of men" this way: Mar 7:8, Col 2:8*
1. Anything not from the commandment of God or Mosaic Law were called tradition of men.
2. Philosophies based on principles of the world and not according to Christ/God were called traditions of men.
Mar 7:8 *For laying aside the commandment of God* , you hold the *tradition of men* -the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do."
Col 2:8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the *tradition of men* , according to the basic principles of the world, and *not according to Christ*
*Many Roman Catholic traditions (doctrines) were not based on commandments of God/Jesus or Mosaic Law. And they were not according to God/Jesus. A lot were based on philosophies of the world too. So they should be discarded.*
*Examples of that: Jesus did not command making of statues and bowing to them in a Church. These kind of traditions should be discarded. And many more.*
you said
Wrong. 2 Thessalonians says the word of God are traditions that are both written AND SPOKEN. 😂
That's why you never quote passages in the hopes that people won't check.
2 Thessalonians 2:15 KJV - 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
@alisterrebelo9013 *First Church - Jerusalem Church was already a Trinitarian Church you lack of knowledge. They all took doctrines from Scriptures only. 180+ verses say so.*
*Where in Roman pagan deformed Church in the Bible? Lol*
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Can you show me a Trinitarian Church prior to the Deformation that DIDN'T consider, the following as Duterocanon?
Tobit
Judith
Baruch
Sirach (or Ecclesiasticus)
1 Maccabees
2 Maccabees
Wisdom
@alisterrebelo9013 *You are demonstrating lack of knowledge again. THose 3 were all local councils with its local canons. Not one was an Ecumenical Council with bishops of all churches and none of the 3 fixed a Universal Canon. It's embarrassing you know nothing ... 😂 😂 😂 😂*
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There are 3 Apostolic Canons - Catholic, Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox established by Churches with direct connection to the Apostles. Where is your direct connection to the Apostles?
@alisterrebelo9013 *If Sola Scriptura is unbiblical, why did Jesus, APostles and NT CHurch all took doctrines from Scriptures only and Not from any other source? 180+ verses say so. WHy is that so? Were Jesus and APostles all false teachers? Explain coherently.*
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Sola Scriputra isn't in the Bible, so why are you asking me to prove doctrines using an Unbiblical doctrine?
What you just said only makes the case stronger for why the OT is definitely considered Scripture including the Dutercanon. It doesn't prove that the NT is scripture.
You don't even know which books form the NT. Why is the book of Enoch not canon?
@@alisterrebelo9013 *Hilarious claims ignorant RCs. Which part of what I said made your case strong? 😆 Which part of what I said says anything about Apo 7 books being biblical?*
*Of course NT was Scriptures you ignorant. Bible says apostles called one another letters “Scriptures”. And believers treated them as Scriptures.*
@@alisterrebelo9013 *Hilarious claims RC. Which part of what I said made your case stronger? 😆 Which part of what I said says anything about Apo 7 books being biblical?*
*Of course NT was Scriptures. Bible says apostles called one another letters “Scriptures”. And believers treated them as Scriptures.*
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What you just said only makes the case stronger for why the OT is definitely considered Scripture including the Dutercanon. It doesn't prove that the NT is scripture.
@@alisterrebelo9013 *THere was never dispute with number of NT books. Christian circle is all using the same number. Why is Enoch not in the canon? It had always not been.*
*Romans 3:1-2 says Scriptures is of the Jews. JEws till this day use OT 39 books. Not Roman pagan OT 46 books. Scriptures is infallible and always correct. Which meant Roman religion is wrong. Roman pagan religion added 7 books.*
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You don't even know which books form the NT. Why is the book of Enoch not canon?,
@alisterrebelo9013 *Wow you lack of knowledge. Jesus, APostles and Mary of the Bible were all Jews. You said they rejected Jesus? Lol*
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You trust Jews for your Biblical canon? The folks who rejected Jesus and are NOT part of the Bride of Christ?
@alisterrebelo9013 *Laying of hands not wrong. But nowhere says Roman religion inherited the authority of Peter and Apostles through laying of hands. Where is your proof that it was so? Only self claims?*
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If you want you can be Orthodox and following their canon. But you won't because you reject the Authority that Jesus passed onto the Apostles which they passed onto others, who were instructed to pass it on further yet. Only a person with WEAK FAITH like you think the Holy Spirit failed to guide the Church.
Paul gives Timothy the gift of God through laying of hands. Neither Paul nor Timothy ever saw Jesus bodily. So Timothy can pass this on as he is instructed to do, as well as the the SPOKEN traditions of Paul.
2 Timothy 1:6 KJV
6 Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift of God, which is in thee by the putting on of my hands.
2 Timothy 2:2 KJV
And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.
Why is "incredible" always used when credible is meant?
Hyperbole drives content engagement.
@alisterrebelo9013 *Scriptures say: Written Word was the tradition of the Apostles, 2 Thes **2:15**. Since it's Scriptures say so, it is taken as truth.*
*Romans 3:1-2 says Scriptures is of the Jews, NOT Roman Catholics. Jews till this day holds OT 39 books. Not OT 46 books of Roman pagan religion. Scriptures is always correct. So RCs added 7 books.*
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The Bible itself is a tradition that was transmitted unbroken for over 1000 years
Wrong. 2 Thessalonians says the word of God are traditions that are both written AND SPOKEN. 😂
That's why you never quote passages in the hopes that people won't check.
2 Thessalonians 2:15 KJV - 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the *traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.*
@@alisterrebelo9013 *You are wrong once again. *Bible does not accept all traditions. Especially Roman pagan traditions where 95% of Roman pagan doctrines came from.*
*1. Yes Roman Catholics love misquoting 2 Thes **2:15**. But 2 Thes **2:15** does not disprove Sola Scriptura. Sola Scriptura ACCEPTS all traditions of Jesus and Apostles, 2 Thes **2:15**; but REJECTS all traditions of men, Mat 15, Mat 23, Mark 7. 95% of Roman Catholic doctrines were from traditions of men. Not from traditions of Jesus or Apostles.*
*- Acceptable Traditions (those of Jesus and Apostles, 2 Thes **2:15**)* and
*- Unacceptable Traditions (traditions of men, Mat 15, Mat 23, Mark 7).*
*2. It is interesting to note: that even authorities like Jesus, APostles and NT CHurch also appealed to Scriptures only for doctrines. We often see them citing from Scriptures/Written Word only for doctrines (180 plus times they did that just in NT alone). Not once did we see them citing traditions as support for any doctrines. NOT ONCE.*
*3. Do you know 95% of Roman religion doctrines were from "traditions of men"? God/Jesus did not command Roman Catholics to practise all these. Mar 7:8, Col 2:8*
*Bible describes "traditions of men" this way: Mar 7:8, Col 2:8*
1. Anything not from the commandment of God or Mosaic Law were called tradition of men.
2. Philosophies based on principles of the world and not according to Christ/God were called traditions of men.
Mar 7:8 *For laying aside the commandment of God* , you hold the *tradition of men* -the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do."
Col 2:8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the *tradition of men* , according to the basic principles of the world, and *not according to Christ*
*Many Roman Catholic traditions (doctrines) were not based on commandments of God/Jesus or Mosaic Law. And they were not according to God/Jesus. A lot were based on philosophies of the world too. So they should be discarded.*
*Examples of that: Jesus did not command making of statues and bowing to them in a Church. These kind of traditions should be discarded. And many more.*
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Wrong. 2 Thessalonians says the word of God are traditions that are both written AND SPOKEN. 😂
That's why you never quote passages in the hopes that people won't check.
2 Thessalonians 2:15 KJV - 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
@@alisterrebelo9013 *Why you never quoted passages in the hopes that people won't check?* 😂 😂 😂
*You are wrong once again.* (sarcasm on) Yes your opinion matters a great deal to me, (sarcasm off)
*Bible does not accept all traditions. Especially Roman pagan traditions where 95% of Roman pagan doctrines came from.* Asserting nonsense like a Gnostic heretic without proof.
*1. Yes Roman Catholics love misquoting 2 Thes **2:15**. But 2 Thes **2:15** does not disprove Sola Scriptura. Sola Scriptura ACCEPTS all traditions of Jesus and Apostles, 2 Thes **2:15**;*
The traditions that the Apostles taught include the Liturgy, which you like the son of Satan that you are, deny to be true. But that's ok, Satan loves to deny the Eucharist as the Real Presence of Jesus so he can prevent naive folks such as yourself from experiencing Jesus in a way that Satan cannot experience.
*but REJECTS all traditions of men, Mat 15, Mat 23, Mark 7.* The Bible is a tradition of men, but you make special exception. You still haven't been able to explain how you know what the canonical books are. So how do you know which books are canon? I'm going to keep asking to expose you for being a fool or until you give me an answer.
*95% of Roman Catholic doctrines were from traditions of men. Not from traditions of Jesus or Apostles.* This is called making claims without evidence, the conclusive proof of a liar.
*- Acceptable Traditions (those of Jesus and Apostles, 2 Thes **2:15**) and*
*- Unacceptable Traditions (traditions of men, Mat 15, Mat 23, Mark 7).*
The Bible comes out of the Catholic Church long after Matthew 15, 23 and Mark 7, and therefore falls under 2 Thess 2:15. Only a historically illiterate fool such as yourself continues to lie about basic history.
*2. It is interesting to note: that even authorities like Jesus, APostles and NT CHurch also appealed to Scriptures only for doctrines. We often see them citing from Scriptures/Written Word only for doctrines (180 plus times they did that just in NT alone).*
*The Apostles and their followers have the Authority to bind or loose doctrines. YOU on the other hand do not.*
Matthew 18:15-20 KJV
Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
*The NT quotes the Duterocanon - so why are you rejecting the words of Jesus, Paul etc. when they accept the Duterocanon?*
*Luke 14:13 KJV quoting Tobit 4:7*
13 But when thou makest a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind:
Tobit 4:7 KJV
Give alms of thy substance; and when thou givest alms, let not thine eye be envious, neither turn thy face from any poor, and the face of God shall not be turned away from thee.
Hebrews 1:3 KJV quoting Wisdom 7:26
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
Wisdom 7:26 KJV
For she is the brightness of the everlasting light, the unspotted mirror of the power of God, and the image of his goodness.
3. Do you know 95% of Roman religion doctrines were from "traditions of men"? God/Jesus did not command Roman Catholics to practise all these. Mar 7:8, Col 2:8
*The Apostles and their followers have the Authority to bind or loose doctrines. YOU on the other hand do not.*
Matthew 18:15-20 KJV
Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
*Jesus did not command making of statues and bowing to them in a Church. These kind of traditions should be discarded. And many more.*
The body of Jesus is an icon of the Father. Jesus himself shows us that a created object (Jesus's body) can be used to understand the thing it represents. Moreover your silly argument ignores the fact that the Jewish Temples (both) were FILLED with statues of heavenly beings. Did not God command that no objects of heavenly beings are to be created? You really are illiterate on the OT.
Exodus 20:4-6 KJV
*Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them:* for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; and shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Exodus 25:10-22 KJV
10 And they shall make an ark of shittim wood: two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof, and a cubit and a half the height thereof.
11 And thou shalt overlay it with pure gold, within and without shalt thou overlay it, and shalt make upon it a crown of gold round about.
12 And thou shalt cast four rings of gold for it, and put them in the four corners thereof; and two rings shall be in the one side of it, and two rings in the other side of it.
13 And thou shalt make staves of shittim wood, and overlay them with gold.
14 And thou shalt put the staves into the rings by the sides of the ark, that the ark may be borne with them.
15 The staves shall be in the rings of the ark: they shall not be taken from it.
16 And thou shalt put into the ark the testimony which I shall give thee.
17 And thou shalt make a mercy seat of pure gold: two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof.
*18 And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat.*
*19 And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof.*
20 And the cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubims be.
21 And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee.
22 And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.
@alisterrebelo9013 *Hilarious false claims of Roman pagan religion and RCs again. Roman pagan council was merely a local council. It did not involve bishops of all churches. Local councils had zero authority declaring any Universal Canon. Roman canon was merely a local canon. Period. That was meant for Roman pagan religion only. Not for all churches.*
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It is a collection of books canonised by Catholics by the power of the Holy Spirit.
Can you show me a Trinitarian Church prior to the Deformation that DIDN'T consider, the following as Duterocanon?
Tobit
Judith
Baruch
Sirach (or Ecclesiasticus)
1 Maccabees
2 Maccabees
Wisdom
@@alisterrebelo9013 *First Church - Jerusalem Church was already a Trinitarian Church you lack of knowledge. They all took doctrines from Scriptures only. 180+ verses say so.*
*Where in Roman pagan deformed Church in the Bible? Lol*
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Can you show me a Trinitarian Church prior to the Deformation that DIDN'T consider, the following as Duterocanon?
Tobit
Judith
Baruch
Sirach (or Ecclesiasticus)
1 Maccabees
2 Maccabees
Wisdom
@alisterrebelo9013 *Your reading abilities is in question again. Since when i ever said "the Catholic Church in the period 0-1054AD is Roman"? Learn to read. It's embarrassing.*
*Church of Rome in history (current Roman religion) was just one of many local churches in history. Since which year this Church of Rome (or Latin Church or Western Church) became the Universal Church or Church Christ founded? WHich year was that? Please answer.*
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*Why are you so illiterate about real Church history?8
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Tsk Tsk lying again?Who said the Catholic Church in the period 0-1054AD is Roman? At the time, the Catholic Church included the Churches at Ephesus, Alexandria, Thessalonica, Corinth, AND ROME etc. Are you so illiterate on Church history?
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@Xavier Israel Matamoros *Where in the Bible says you can take doctrines from your Church's m m traditions?*
Paul instructs Christians to follow traditions/ordinances (same Greek word paradoseis παραδόσεις) that were passed on to them by SPOKEN WORD. Paul calls these spoken words part of the deposit of faith. Paul also tells us that these spoken words are truly 'the word of God'. Paul instructs Timothy (someone who has never seen Jesus) to transmit this deposit of faith (spoken and written) word of God to others, by the HOLY SPIRIT. So did the Holy Spirit fail to transmit these spoken and written word of God?
2 Timothy 2:1-2 KJV - 1 Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. 2 And *the things that thou hast HEARD of me among many witnesses, the same COMMIT THOU TO FAITHFUL MEN, who shall be able to teach others also.*
2 Timothy 1:13-14 KJV - 13 *HOLD FAST the form of SOUND WORDS, which thou hast HEARD of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 14 That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us.*
1 Corinthians 11:2 KJV - 2 *Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ORDINANCES, as I delivered [them] to you.*
paradoseis παραδόσεις - translated as 'ordinances' in this passage.
2 Thessalonians 2:15 KJV - 15 Therefore, brethren, *stand fast, and hold the TRADITIONS which ye have been taught, whether BY WORD, or our epistle.*
paradoseis παραδόσεις - translated as 'traditions' in this passage.
1 Thessalonians 2:13 KJV - 13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, *when ye received the word of God which ye HEARD of us, ye received [it] not [as] the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God,* which effectually worketh also in you that believe.
The interviewer just kept on smiling all the time even at the most inappropriate places.
I found this weird.
LOL. Thanks for the feedback. 😂
@tasiaflynn3549 *You failed to answer ROman pagan. Where in the Bible or real history ever said "Roman religion = the true Church of God or Christ's Church or Universal Church". Where is your proof? Roman Catholics can never prove this. WOnder why?*
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the truth Church God
You don't follow SOLA Scriptura. You follow:
1) The Bible AND
2) The people who told you which books make up the Bible.
@@alisterrebelo9013 *I follow Sola Scriptura and people who wrote Scriptures - APostles and Jewish Prophets.*
*WHere did Roman deformed Bible come from?*
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You don't follow SOLA Scriptura. You follow:
1) The Bible AND
2) The people who told you which books make up the Bible.
@@alisterrebelo9013 ⭐Was Bible a Roman Catholic Book? ⭐
The answer is No.
Scriptures was written by Jewish Prophets and Jewish Christian APostles. Not Roman Catholics. By ad100s, all Scriptures of modern day Bibles were already in all churches. Jesus and APostles already called Scriptures "Scriptures" in their days. Believers did not have to wait 300 years for Scriptures to be "made inspired" or "called Scriptures" by Roman religion.
⭐Did Roman Church come up with a Universal Canon?⭐
The answer is No.
Roman religion merely compiled what was already there. Council of Rome was merely a local council. Council of Rome merely compiled it's own local canon. Not a Universal Canon. Roman religion’s NT canon was only one of many local canons in those days. Roman Church did not fix any Universal Canon. That requires an Ecumenical Council with bishops of all churches. Nothing of such happened.
⭐Were there other canons after Council of Rome in ad382? ⭐
The answer is yes.
Council of Rome claimed to have a Universal Canon by ad382. If Roman religion and Roman pope was all that powerful having authority over all churches, no other churches would need to come up with a canon; like Hippo (397) and Carthage (419). There were still other canons in ad692 and 1442. If a Universal Canon was really fixed in ad382 like what Roman Catholics claimed, why were there still other canons after ad382? Why are there still other canons till this day - 66, 73, 81 books canons?*
⭐Does Christian Bible come from Roman Catholic Bible?⭐
The answer is No.
Roman Bibles came from a Greek translation called LXX. Christian Bibles came from Hebrew OT. So why would Christian Bible be from Roman Catholics?
⭐Did Christians remove 7 books or did Roman Catholics added 7 books? ⭐
Romans 3:1-2 says Scriptures is of Jewish origins. Not Roman Catholic origins. Jews till this day holds OT 39 books. Not Roman religion’s OT 46 books. Scriptures is always correct. So clearly pointing to Roman religionists adding 7 books. Greek LXX was merely a translation of Original Hebrew OT. Original Hebrew OT did not contain Apocrypha 7 books. So why would a translation have Apocrypha 7 books? So clearly pointing to Roman religionists adding 7 books.
⭐Refuting Papacy from canon point of view. ⭐
ad382 canon was merely one of many local canons in those days, from a local council called Council of Rome. It was not a final Universal Canon which RCs love to claim. There were still other local canons before ad382 and after ad382 like in ad692 and 1442. If Roman canon was the one and only final Universal Canon for all churches, why would there be other canons before and after ad382? In fact there was not a single Ecumenical Council with bishops of all churches that fixed any Universal Canon till this day. Not one.
If there was really a pope who had "All Authority" from ad33 in early Church like what RCs love to claim, he would have fixed a Universal Canon by ad100. Why would there be so many canons floating around from ad100s -ad1400s?