@@Kevin75668 Anything with a switching power supply should be fine. Apple even had their smaller chargers UL certified for 400 Hz because airlines were buying pilot iPads.
Had a friend who's job it was to maintain those things in Alaska in the early 90s. Would make sure the tanks were filled and they had oil basically. Said they used a ton of jet fuel but almost never broke down.
@Pyro15D Last time I saw him was 17 years ago. When he got out he swore off generators and cold weather. Those seem to be ultra rare. Probably be tough to find anything related to them.
Oh shit! I gotta have one of those. I have seen or owned some cool stuff but that right there is IT. The coolest thing I ever saw. Hands down. Thanks for putting it out there. Cheers from Tennessee.
25 kVA, 120/208 3 phase wye at 400 Hz. Also 100 amperes at 28 VDC. This is a ground power unit meant for aircraft service as it consumes far less fuel than main engines..probably under 5 gallons per hour. Single centrifugal compressor, single radial fliw turbine. 8000 RPM geared output, 6 pole rotor. Probably a temperature or tachometer fault. The generator end is another story all together. There is no way to get 50 or 60 Hz.
How can it be 8000rpm output and 400Hz? That doesn’t make sense at all. At 8000rpm the frequency would be 133Hz….OR at 400Hz the rpm would be 24,000 ( unlikely a rotor with copper windings could withstand this rpm…………)
@@иванпетров-в1ы1я , that is unlikely. A rotor that large turning at 24,000rpm would likely fly apart. So the output is probably 24000 rpm and then geared down to 8000-9000 rpm and at that rpm it’s spinning a 6pole rotor for 44-60Hz. But to say it’s 400Hz is HIGHLY unlikely. Hz is a measurement or electrical oscillation. We can do simple math to find RPM from that but they’re not the same thing.
Seeing this thing refurbished would be amazing. Unfortunately I dont know where to get any manuals of schematics. Anyway I wish you luck in restoring it.
You would think so, but I had it listed for sale for a couple of months and only had offers of trade. Finally I took pyro up on his trade of a tool cabinet for this one.
400Hz isn't an insurmountable obstacle. Send it into a high speed 3 phase rectifier. You'll get ~280V pulsating DC with a ripple frequency of 2.4kHz. Low ESR capacitors will be required to smooth that but with the high frequency, the capacitance required will be proportionally less than a rectified single phase 60Hz system with a 120Hz ripple frequency. You can then feed that into a suitable inverter. The double conversion is lossy, yes, but the output of such a system would be extremely clean. 280VDC is also quite convenient for charging a string of 20 12V lead acid batteries. There are quite a few possibilities with a device like this.
DONT RUN this unit until you've checked-out the manuals; hot-starts will destroy the turbine blades, and you probably wont ever find replacements. Definitely the coolest backup generator you could ever get, as long as the frequency is correct. I hope it's 60Hz, but it could be a ground power unit for aviation, in which case it's probably 400Hz. There's a frequency-adjust control, but I cant read anything on the meter. Checkout Agent Jay Z's videos on jet engines (gas turbines). Tons of good info there from someone who enjoys sharing his extensive knowledge.
I used to have just the engine a few years ago. I sold it in a momentary lapse of reason and regretted it since. I plan on keeping this around though. No hot starts yet. The EGT gauge is accurate and starts are about 5-600°F and settle down to 350°F. Unfortunately it generates 400hz power. I'm debating on finding a 20-30kw single phase generator and adapting it to the engine. It would require another gear reduction to bring the RPM down to 3600 or 1800 for 60hz use. I work on military aircraft for my day job, so I have experience with turbine engines and such. This generator is in good hands.
@@Pyro15D Glad to hear this! I hope you keep us posted on this project. No simple, cheap, and easy way to get 60Hz; seems that the best way is to use the DC output, and run a sine-wave inverter from it, such as those used for solar-energy.
@Pyro15D pretty reliable. Thirsty. Multi fuel capable. Had about 8 boards if I remember correctly, in one box. The connection for each board tended to vibrate loose, causing electrical issues. A simple pulling and resetting usually cured it.
Yeah, that sounds about right. I replaced the oil pressure switch, so now it runs without having to be in emergency mode. The capacitors for the 28v power were shot so I replaced those as well. Now I need to figure out why it isn't charging the battery and why the AC output contactor isn't closing.
@Pyro15D don't remember what each board did, but one was definitely for charging. As far as the contactor not closing, i believe several things had to happen for it to receive a signal to close. Also probably board related. Wish I had a wiring diagram for you.
I ended up getting the -1, -3, -4 manuals for the unit, so I've been digging through those to see what I can figure out. A lot of old-school relay logic is used in this gen set.
I designed and built a new digital control system for one of these same GPUs back in college (2007). We were able to tweak the startup sequence to minimize the smoke cloud and had it powering a massive bank of incandescent light bulbs. 400Hz makes it pretty useless for most civilian applications, unfortunately.
That setup is still being used today, mainly in aircraft, known as Auxiliary Power Units. Also a company called Bladon makes units that can go up to 26 Kilowatts electrical output.
Thats it? No, does it work? What's the specs? What turbine is it? I really need this at my house, the neighbors would love me. I have a few neighbors that think we want to hear their vehicle's (technically there not considered vehicles more like rice burners) at 1am.
It kinda works. The fuel tank leaks, it can only start in emergency bypass, and it needs a few filter capacitors replaced so the battery charger will function. It uses the Garrett Airesearch GTP30-67 engine and puts out 3-phase 400hz AC and 28v DC at 100a. It is fairly loud but not as loud as you would think.
Charge your Tesla with it then you have the first turbine powerd Tesla. Or tow it on a trailer behind you Tesla and charge while driving in an emissions free car zone.
I got an MEP-1040 Diesel generator from Iron Planet who was auctioning a bunch of them for Uncle Sam a few years ago. The name plate on the unit says it runs on Diesel, JP-6 or JP-8. It was mothballed with 1 gallon of JP-8 with a mere 6 hours on the meter and that agreed with the run time stored in the engine controller. There are your tax Dollars at work: Uncle Sam dropped about 25K to buy it from Cummins and then sold it to me for a few grand about ten years later, basically having never used it other than to perform preventative maintenance. The two group 51 yellow top starting batteries were shot because the Army disconnected them and never charged them, so they were hopelessly sulfated. Other than that, everything was letter perfect. Anyway back to the topic about fuel. It seems like that at least at some time the US military was trying to standardize being able to run all their equipment of JP-8. I have just been running low sulfur Diesel from the local service station. The Army got an exemption to run without an emission treatment system and there’s a tag inside the cabinet stating that.
1976…..yes… yes I did!!! The technical school was junking 4 of them that were donated, nobody knew how to work on them. I got 2 complete units and a bunch of parts. Took a week, read the manuals and assembled a running one, Took it back to school in my pickup and fired it up in the parking lot. The Director was NOT impressed….😜😜😜 Quite loud!!! Ended up being sold to a fellow building a single person helicopter. If I recall the turbine alone could be carried by myself and made about 70hp.
Resistive loads like heaters and incandescent light bulbs would work on 400 hz. Equipment with rectifier front ends like switch mode power supplies would also work. You probably could charge a Tesla with 400 hz.
i worked a an automotive machine shop the owners kid had two that looked something like that now this has been 30 years ago i think they were made by a co. in san diego called solardyne i put two 12 volt battery in one of them and started spinning it up some flames were coming out the back the kid was such a crybaby he started crying its going to blow up and and would not let me play with them any more ! punks name was sweetwood what a sissy boy ! fear is the lack of understanding !
are all manuels made by the govement ( like army and so on ) Not supose to be publice avilebal on some homepage or by mail. Paid for by tax money so free for all,logic.
Unfortunately this was before the big standardization of generators and ground support equipment. The manuals were written by Consolidated Diesel Electric Company. Thankfully, Bruce at Avon Aero was able to get me the manuals for it, so I will be able to get it all functioning again.
Oh your neighbors are going to love you when you spin this up during a power outage. 🙂
It's 400hz 3 phase. Not many homes can make use of that.
None their business. No trespassin.
@@Kevin75668 Anything with a switching power supply should be fine. Apple even had their smaller chargers UL certified for 400 Hz because airlines were buying pilot iPads.
That’s why he bought it!
😂😂
This is one of the coolest things a human can own.
I agree 😅
Looks like that generator has seen the world!
The Data plate says it was accepted in 1967 and was last reworked in 1982. It probably hasn't been used since the Reagan Administration.
The PERFECT generator for those sedate campgrounds with overnight noise restrictions.😂
Had a friend who's job it was to maintain those things in Alaska in the early 90s. Would make sure the tanks were filled and they had oil basically. Said they used a ton of jet fuel but almost never broke down.
I don't suppose your friend has any manuals for it, do they? That would be really cool if they did.
@Pyro15D Last time I saw him was 17 years ago. When he got out he swore off generators and cold weather. Those seem to be ultra rare. Probably be tough to find anything related to them.
@@tireballastserviceofflorid7771 Haha, I figured it was a long shot. Thanks though!
Oh shit! I gotta have one of those. I have seen or owned some cool stuff but that right there is IT. The coolest thing I ever saw. Hands down. Thanks for putting it out there. Cheers from Tennessee.
25 kVA, 120/208 3 phase wye at 400 Hz. Also 100 amperes at 28 VDC. This is a ground power unit meant for aircraft service as it consumes far less fuel than main engines..probably under 5 gallons per hour. Single centrifugal compressor, single radial fliw turbine. 8000 RPM geared output, 6 pole rotor.
Probably a temperature or tachometer fault. The generator end is another story all together. There is no way to get 50 or 60 Hz.
How can it be 8000rpm output and 400Hz? That doesn’t make sense at all. At 8000rpm the frequency would be 133Hz….OR at 400Hz the rpm would be 24,000 ( unlikely a rotor with copper windings could withstand this rpm…………)
@ThatGeneratorGuy
Rotors have at least 2 poles. 2 pole at 3600 RPM is 60 Hz..
@@keithjurena9319 yes… your above comment still does not make sense though
@@ThatGeneratorGuy там может стоять внутри машинный преобразователь частоты. Турбина крутит генератор, генератор крутит электродвигатель, электродвигатель крутит генератор 400 Гц.
@@иванпетров-в1ы1я , that is unlikely. A rotor that large turning at 24,000rpm would likely fly apart. So the output is probably 24000 rpm and then geared down to 8000-9000 rpm and at that rpm it’s spinning a 6pole rotor for 44-60Hz. But to say it’s 400Hz is HIGHLY unlikely. Hz is a measurement or electrical oscillation. We can do simple math to find RPM from that but they’re not the same thing.
Amazing. I didn't know they made generators with turbine engines.
They do. A company called Bladon makes them. Also aircraft use then, they are called APU’s (Auxiliary Power Unit).
They used for mobile air defence radars (truck with rockets and radars)
Seeing this thing refurbished would be amazing. Unfortunately I dont know where to get any manuals of schematics. Anyway I wish you luck in restoring it.
Milspec, oooooooh that sound, I like it!
Yessssss love the sound
I'll add my name to the list of people that wants one.
I'm in.
Got to look for army surplus good luck trying to find one
lol same
You would think so, but I had it listed for sale for a couple of months and only had offers of trade. Finally I took pyro up on his trade of a tool cabinet for this one.
400Hz isn't an insurmountable obstacle. Send it into a high speed 3 phase rectifier. You'll get ~280V pulsating DC with a ripple frequency of 2.4kHz. Low ESR capacitors will be required to smooth that but with the high frequency, the capacitance required will be proportionally less than a rectified single phase 60Hz system with a 120Hz ripple frequency. You can then feed that into a suitable inverter. The double conversion is lossy, yes, but the output of such a system would be extremely clean. 280VDC is also quite convenient for charging a string of 20 12V lead acid batteries. There are quite a few possibilities with a device like this.
DONT RUN this unit until you've checked-out the manuals; hot-starts will destroy the turbine blades, and you probably wont ever find replacements.
Definitely the coolest backup generator you could ever get, as long as the frequency is correct. I hope it's 60Hz, but it could be a ground power unit for aviation, in which case it's probably 400Hz. There's a frequency-adjust control, but I cant read anything on the meter.
Checkout Agent Jay Z's videos on jet engines (gas turbines). Tons of good info there from someone who enjoys sharing his extensive knowledge.
I used to have just the engine a few years ago. I sold it in a momentary lapse of reason and regretted it since. I plan on keeping this around though. No hot starts yet. The EGT gauge is accurate and starts are about 5-600°F and settle down to 350°F. Unfortunately it generates 400hz power. I'm debating on finding a 20-30kw single phase generator and adapting it to the engine. It would require another gear reduction to bring the RPM down to 3600 or 1800 for 60hz use. I work on military aircraft for my day job, so I have experience with turbine engines and such. This generator is in good hands.
@@Pyro15D Glad to hear this! I hope you keep us posted on this project. No simple, cheap, and easy way to get 60Hz; seems that the best way is to use the DC output, and run a sine-wave inverter from it, such as those used for solar-energy.
@@Pyro15D where did u bought it from the sac base
I think I have to go have a cold shower now, I miss that noise.
Wow, worked on these early 90s in West Germany. Used as ground power units for radar and remote comms sights. Had them during Desert Storm.
That's awesome! What can you tell me about them? Were they pretty reliable?
@Pyro15D pretty reliable. Thirsty. Multi fuel capable. Had about 8 boards if I remember correctly, in one box. The connection for each board tended to vibrate loose, causing electrical issues. A simple pulling and resetting usually cured it.
Yeah, that sounds about right. I replaced the oil pressure switch, so now it runs without having to be in emergency mode. The capacitors for the 28v power were shot so I replaced those as well. Now I need to figure out why it isn't charging the battery and why the AC output contactor isn't closing.
@Pyro15D don't remember what each board did, but one was definitely for charging. As far as the contactor not closing, i believe several things had to happen for it to receive a signal to close. Also probably board related. Wish I had a wiring diagram for you.
I ended up getting the -1, -3, -4 manuals for the unit, so I've been digging through those to see what I can figure out. A lot of old-school relay logic is used in this gen set.
I'd like to see James Condon (YT) take this one on!
Thats so cool. In zombie apocolypse if you want to find extra food and a house follow the aircraft engine noises in the middle of the neighborhood :D
That thing is awesome!
I love that thing!.
Um , you do know this is way too cool .
We used these on almost every exercise.
Awesome! What all do you know about these units?
How to make friends with your neighbors on a sunday morning
Sounds like it could sprout wings, tail and...HOLY CRAP my generator just flew off!😮😅😅😅
Wow ..Does it still produce power?
Sounds like the bat mobile from the 1960's
please do a more in-depth video.
Just uploaded a walk-around.
That is totally badass
There isn't a manual stashed in that cabinet somewhere?
Damn, that’s a freaking APU. I want one
I designed and built a new digital control system for one of these same GPUs back in college (2007). We were able to tweak the startup sequence to minimize the smoke cloud and had it powering a massive bank of incandescent light bulbs. 400Hz makes it pretty useless for most civilian applications, unfortunately.
Also FYI there is asbestos in the battery compartment.
Build a Batmobile around that puppy !
Nice thing to have, if you own a gas well and live where nobody else is.
I think there's radium in the tachometer.
it may dangerous. check it if you have radiometer.
hot starts can fry the turbine blades so b careful
Something to annoy the neighbours with😂
*I ❤️ GAS TURBINE ENGINES*
Basically a cesna cockpit controls on a wooden box
It looks like something out of the time tunnel but hey, it runs.
That''ll be awesome in a campground.
That’s awesome
sounds good man
And you can put it in the bed of your truck for extra thrust too!
Don't forget to spin the props after shutdown. It's a Garrett, after all...
So where'd you get that?
Must have seemed like a good idea at the time 😂
That setup is still being used today, mainly in aircraft, known as Auxiliary Power Units. Also a company called Bladon makes units that can go up to 26 Kilowatts electrical output.
Thats it? No, does it work? What's the specs? What turbine is it?
I really need this at my house, the neighbors would love me. I have a few neighbors that think we want to hear their vehicle's (technically there not considered vehicles more like rice burners) at 1am.
It kinda works. The fuel tank leaks, it can only start in emergency bypass, and it needs a few filter capacitors replaced so the battery charger will function. It uses the Garrett Airesearch GTP30-67 engine and puts out 3-phase 400hz AC and 28v DC at 100a. It is fairly loud but not as loud as you would think.
yep, I need one.
Well I know what I want for Christmas
Didn't know these existed. Ehat was the original purpose?
Servicing aircraft
Where do you get parts if it breaks?
Bruce at Avon Aero has been helpful so far.
@@Pyro15D Do you have the Factory Service Manual for it?
@@josephastier7421 Yeah, got those from Bruce as well.
飛び立ちそうな発電機ですね🕊
Grok says the manual you need is MIL-G-38259 .
You don't happen to have a copy of that manual, do you?
@ Sorry, I do not have it. I looked on line. There’s a manual for a different turbine power unit. It might help with a general overview.
Sounds like a baby Abrahms...
Yes please.
My next custom car or bike build (then again there is a micro plane that needs an engine) 🤔
Where do I get one 😂
Where can I get one?
How much ?
I want one.
I want one... I need one... Where can I get one?... Can I buy that one...
To be honest, I found this one on Facebook marketplace. I traded a storage cabinet for it.
I WANT ONE!
When you go camping you will stand out.
I assume the fuel tank is good for about 15 minutes.
The internal tank is 8.5 gallons, so it is good for about an hour.
Whats the kw rating ?
20KW.
only if I need power and heat.. (using the exhaust through a large furnace type heat transfer duct system)... in a barn..
Charge your Tesla with it then you have the first turbine powerd Tesla. Or tow it on a trailer behind you Tesla and charge while driving in an emissions free car zone.
OMG.
I have no words
I live in a really dense area. I thought my 10k gas 2 cylinder portable generator was loud
I need this in a perverse way
Works with any fuel... :)
That’s why the military have them and we don’t.
I got an MEP-1040 Diesel generator from Iron Planet who was auctioning a bunch of them for Uncle Sam a few years ago. The name plate on the unit says it runs on Diesel, JP-6 or JP-8. It was mothballed with 1 gallon of JP-8 with a mere 6 hours on the meter and that agreed with the run time stored in the engine controller. There are your tax Dollars at work: Uncle Sam dropped about 25K to buy it from Cummins and then sold it to me for a few grand about ten years later, basically having never used it other than to perform preventative maintenance. The two group 51 yellow top starting batteries were shot because the Army disconnected them and never charged them, so they were hopelessly sulfated. Other than that, everything was letter perfect.
Anyway back to the topic about fuel. It seems like that at least at some time the US military was trying to standardize being able to run all their equipment of JP-8. I have just been running low sulfur Diesel from the local service station. The Army got an exemption to run without an emission treatment system and there’s a tag inside the cabinet stating that.
I need this. Is it for sale
Oh, no. I'm planning on hanging on to this for a bit!
What rpm does the generator shaft run at?
It spins at 8,000 RPM.
I googled EMU-12/E Gas Turbine Generator and got pages and pages of sites.
Sure, as did I, but none of those sites have the 35C2-3-414 series of manuals with schematics and maintenance procedures.
@@Pyro15D Yes. I found lots of pages of information on similar models but they were mainly specs, not manuals or schematics.
Good luck.
Some hillbilly will put this in back of his pickup truck with a huge exhaust pipe to hear the turbine whistle..
They love that .
1976…..yes… yes I did!!!
The technical school was junking 4 of them that were donated, nobody knew how to work on them. I got 2 complete units and a bunch of parts. Took a week, read the manuals and assembled a running one, Took it back to school in my pickup and fired it up in the parking lot. The Director was NOT impressed….😜😜😜 Quite loud!!!
Ended up being sold to a fellow building a single person helicopter.
If I recall the turbine alone could be carried by myself and made about 70hp.
Direct drive 😮
I need one
How many kW?
20KW
Y a pas un roulement qui et mort ?
Must be fuel efficient.
How much did you pay for that?
I traded a Vidmar storage cabinet for it.
Any interest in selling it?
Cool….
Beautiful Tesla charger
Resistive loads like heaters and incandescent light bulbs would work on 400 hz.
Equipment with rectifier front ends like switch mode power supplies would also work. You probably could charge a Tesla with 400 hz.
Episch 🤣👍
OMG it sounds just like my siren-whistle ring toy I got from Crackerjack !
Staggering fuel consumption.
Очень интересно
Talk to me goose.
I want. !!
I'd rather power my generator with a hit and miss piston engine. Those gas turbine units are rated in gallons per hour.
Awesome!
It looks way too old to make such ridiculous noises 😂😂😂😂🎉🎉🎉
🔥 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
i worked a an automotive machine shop the owners kid had two that looked something like that now this has been 30 years ago i think they were made by a co. in san diego called solardyne i put two 12 volt battery in one of them and started spinning it up some flames were coming out the back the kid was such a crybaby he started crying its going to blow up and and would not let me play with them any more ! punks name was sweetwood what a sissy boy ! fear is the lack of understanding !
Can't hear my neighbours complaining over all that noise
Autonomy : 15 mins
I’m need
Sell it to me, I can fix it. I won't tell you how though.
JK I work on airplanes, ill ask around to see if any of the old military guys know anything.
are all manuels made by the govement ( like army and so on ) Not supose to be publice avilebal on some homepage or by mail. Paid for by tax money so free for all,logic.
Unfortunately this was before the big standardization of generators and ground support equipment. The manuals were written by Consolidated Diesel Electric Company. Thankfully, Bruce at Avon Aero was able to get me the manuals for it, so I will be able to get it all functioning again.
I think that generator would use more energy than it can make.
All generators do.
Yes , but this thing can fly too -
@@aukeykema9689 🫵👍🏼👍🏼😂😂😂
In can also be a heater.
@@connerlabs some people forget about that.
Damn... that is HORIBLE!
I want one.
F-16 😂😂😂😂😂👍 …..
That is fucken cool. I want one.