BEST Driver MVP Has Ever Made (it’s not even close)
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- The MVP Trail is the best driver they've ever come out with, prove me wrong. This thing goes FAR, on easy throws, with midrange style controllability. I'm ridiculously impressed.
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It was a blast!
Caleb - Super fun watching you carve up that course! Curious what putter are you using? Anode? Nomad?
@@scottgardner8126 Nomad! Electron firm
Anthony, buy 5 Trails and test them against your bags 10 slot.
Anthony. your disc golf content is so beyond informative, entertaining, and wholesome. Your content truly is incredible! Congrats on the baby!
Love the in depth review format. Didn’t learn just about one disc but new information on tons of others.
Caleb seems like a great kid. Love to have him again!
We need an Axiom version of this disc for the different colorways 😩👌
TIL "colorway"
My main 10 speed for a while was a champion beast, but I just got a Yikun Wei as a mystery disc from infinite and it is $$.
Side note: I broke my personal backhand distance record with an I-blend maya a couple of days ago at 317ft. I know that isn’t very far to most people, but I was pretty stoked. After having torn all the tendons on my right shoulder last year and having surgery, I thought I might never be able to play right handed again.
Good for you man ! Congratulations! That's awesome
Oh, yikes. Glad to hear you can still play at all. You probably have a lot of empathy for Eagle McM.
Good job! 🎉
Progress not Perfection
@@ClarkPotter I feel his pain for sure. It’s a lot of work and patience to get through a shoulder injury. The hardest part is trusting your body and not push yourself too quickly. Eagle seems to be on the right track though.
Would like to see the difference to a Lat Grace. Great Review
In their own HOD line-up, it's very close to a Construct in dimensions but it's legitimately an Innova Beast in flight and feel (historically an undervalued disc) that'll receive a ton of hype because it's a "new" mold.
question, when and where, you ready for a ghost to come out with you boys?
The grace is my baby!!!!! She'll never let ya down! Trilogy for life! 🎉 mvp is OK tho..... 😂
@@brandonstevens1832 Yes it is very similar to a champion beast x i have
Trail hype is real!
You’re one of the handful of open bag pros. Throw whatever you feel the best with, with new discs coming out all the time your bag theoretically is never done.
Hey Anthony… thx for this review and I cannot wait to get my fingers on this Disc and throw. Here in Germany it always takes time to get the new stuff, but as a Gyronaut you get some patience before you can throw. This Disc I will buy for sure to have a good 10 Speed in my bag. Your content always helbs me… Keep going and all the best from Germany… Frank
The 'pdga approved' stamp on MVP discs is embossed on the overmold rim, on the underside.
Rim width more similar to 11 speeds from most other brands. Have noticed MVP seems to do this… rim width on Volt feels like a 10 speed (and measures like one) but marketed as 8. I’d recommend throwing a Wraith… same rim width but can get in a ton of plastics and it’s amazing.
Anthony the best shot on hole 16 at Adam’s is when you played with Cole Redalen - his second shot, which was a smooth, towering sky anhyzer - landed a mere 22 feet from the basket but was blocked out from an easy eagle putt by a weirdly situated 6 foot high horizontally lying thick tree branch.
also is that when you started throwing sky anhyzers after seeing Cole’s amazing shot?
keep up the great content!
Actually the "glide" will present itself much better on a disc that can maintain level flight such as the trail because you are not "spilling" angle all the time from turning and fading. You can basically break down the flight of the disc into many short moments and each moment a disc spends on angle it will "correct" in the direction it is leaning and the "new" direction carries with it a lower nose angle (since the disc is starting to move towards the side where it is "dipping" the edge), this is "spilling" in a nutshell and any disc that doesn't do it will stay up better (prime example: 4 or 5-glide midranges staying up for ages)
Love the content bro! Gotta get more trails now. If you’re ever in Houston hit us up 🤙🏻
Your content has been 🔥 lately! Love how upbeat and positive you’ve been and production quality is great
I’m a Caleb Tucker fan!!
20:18 Nature Appreciation moment
24:55 very very small nature appreciation moment
I've got the SE Trail coming along with some other fun stuff... will be interesting when I get back home and get to throw them to see how stable things really are. I'm thinking Wave vs Trail test is coming up.
are you able to report back on the trail vs wave?
@@HuCkDuCk Trail is more stable than the Wave I think, and that doesn't seem to make sense, to me. However, the Wave might think about turning a little where the Trail just wants to make a beeline somewhere. Currently in India for a couple more days and then I'll probably be throwing it again after I loosen up. Travel is beating me up this year and hurting my disc game. :lol
Hey man, I am a bit surprised that you haven't gotten calipers (a caliper? a calipers?) yet. You should be able to get cheap ones for around $10 or $20.
And they are awesome to measure rim widths with. Really helpful.
I agree
Hey Anthony, could you check out the Viking Discs Ragnarok? Its a disc that everybody has been sleeping on. Its a Grace for way less money and in my opinion its way better. Knowing you started of bombing Grace’s I thought you would be the guy to do the comparison
Just picked up a trail this morning after not being able to play due to a stress fracture in my foot, For me it's definitely a 10/6/0/1 in the woods for backhand, but did some fantastic work for me. What a great disc
that nerd session was pretty dope, interesting discoveries
A bit off subject but I see you guys wearing the vivos, are those the trail runner ones? I have been thinking about picking these up for discgolf especially because it rains a lot out here.
The PDGA measurements are from a single guy measuring an example disc sent to them, and are known to be inconsistent. Compare several molds that are known to be the same (like the mana vs lobster vs creature vs mystery box or any of the various P2s) and you'll find several different measurements for identical molds. I'd take any measurement from PDGA with a grain of salt - it could easily be +/- a couple mm.
I can’t wait until disc numbers are more standardized.
Had my eye on this disc since I heard about it. And I throw trilogy plastic (except a watt)
First new release I've been excited about in a while. This looks fantastic.
33 minutes? I'm pouring honey on you GOAT
Nomad, Detour, Terra, Trail, Zenith, so you were perfectly on line with the statement of forgetting the slower Firebird ;D
Have you ever thrown the Lattitude 64 Spike? It’s one of my most used discs in Disc Golf Valley and I wonder how it is in real life…but there’s no TH-cam videos on it
wow this disc seems sweet, might have to pick it up. great video, loved both the comparison segment and the 18
I just got a swirly TD but now I have to try one. Looks like a longer crave which is my most thrown disc.
Really enjoyed the comparisons! As soon as you threw the first Trail I thought a "star plastic" Era would be exactly the same but the Era has a noticeably larger fade, even mine that is well seasoned. Might have to pick up a Trail for those cheater tunnel shots!
Bummed you don't have my number 1 comp for this disc. The TSA construct is soooo good and you can get a wide variety of flights out of all the plastics.
You gotta get some Orcs! They are amazing discs, and possibly the most underrated Innova mold out there. Get one with a little dome
Another disc in the conrad collection is the terra. It’s their overstable 8 speed and my go to forehand disc
I need to see this disc compared to the H3v2, it’s my go-to control driver, they’re also that “midrange shape” out of a 10-11 speed.
New stamp looks great. Can't wait to try the Trail.
I highly recommend getting digital calipers! Especially if you are wanting to geek out! So much fun!
Been looking for a disc to take place of the beast I’ve had in the bag for awhile now, I’ll have to give this a shot
Its a weird thing in disc golf that 9 speeds considered for "advanced" players (Firebird, Thunderbird etc), 10 speeds considered "beginner" (Aztec, Beast, CD's, H#v2, Sapphire, Gorgon), 11 speeds "semi-advanced" (Wraith a "baby-Destroyer"), and 12+ speeds "very advanced" (Destroyer etc). Its just weird that most 10 speeds are not really made or marketed like faster 9 speeds, but they're made as slower (sometimes much slower) 11-12 speeds.
With exceptions. Understable 9-speeds like the H7 are very beginner friendly - almost anybody can hyzer flip that.
Man you have to try out the TSA Construct. I have an Aura Construct that has been in my bag since I got it and seems like it flies super similar to the trail- tons of glide and LASER straight. Plague Doctor stamp one
The shape is similar to my broken in Ninja. Their first 10! Wow. The Gateway Ninja is considered a Distance driver too/. I like the Sampo for a 10 too. Thanks for sharing.
MVP Volt also has a 20mm rim, according to PDGA.
Oh and by the way, you should review the Latitude 64 Musket sometime.
It's Thomas Ekström's (Trilogy chief designer) favorite disk for a reason.
having that many 10 speeds and none of them are a beast is WILD. Stoked for the trail though really wanna try one.
Man I have been searching for a pink trail, those things are hard to find right now!
Problem with rim sizes on the MVP website is that they seem to measure their rim size differently. MVP rim size seems to be from the tip of the disc to the bottom edge of the rim as if the bottom edge was on the same horizontal plane as the tip; so MVP basically measures just the thickness of the wing section of the rim. PDGA measurement seems to take into account the inner slope of the rim (where your fingers grip) to measure the actual full thickness of the rim and not just the wing section.
Trail is "20mm", while PDGA says 21mm. Insanity is "18.5mm", but if you pick up calipers and measure it, or look at PDGA website, it's 20mm (my plasma measures 20.17mm). Crave is "16.5mm", but measures 18mm (my plasma is 18.02mm).
I got burned couple times buying discs online by looking at the MVP website rim sizes thinking a disc will fit my hand since it's smaller than a disc I like, but ended up getting a bigger one because MVP going rogue with measurements. So now I always check the PDGA measurements for the actual rim size before buying, to have a proper idea how it fits in my hand.
Maybe if you consider the rim depth as well when you're looking at the rim thickness number, it will make sense. This likely is why it's either a speed higher or lower by the "official flight numbers" -- did you compare two discs at 20mm by their rim depths at all? Deeper rim and it probably goes down a speed.
Wonder how it stacks up against the new TD which is more stable than the numbers would indicate.
I might have to get one because i have a very beat in pd but the trail might replace it if i ever lose my pd
Notica how all Anthony's throws are released a bit more on an angle than Caleb's when they throw with the same body position. Interesting
I'm torn between a Sphinx, Aztec, Trail, and Gorgon. Problem is plastic selection and low weight for 6k+ Altitude. Thoughts?
I mean you know I gotta go halo Sphinx 👀👀 lots of other plastixs too but also lots of bias since it’s my tour series 😂
@@BodanzaDiscGolf I'd love to try one if I could find 160-165 scaled one cough cough😍
@@UWR16 … halo lightweights dropping tomorrow with my new stamp 👀
@BodanzaDiscGolf not gonna lie the current Sphinx stamp is 🔥🔥🔥
@BodanzaDiscGolf are the listed weights close to actual weights? Being in Colorado I find weight plays a huge factor IMHO.
Gotta get you an RPM Tara Iti. I personally love that mold.
What's the stable, black Halo?
dude
your inda sence of humor is epic.
Innova must be happy they managed to release the Gorgon a couple months before the Trail
Mvp has been talking about the trail for years. Innova says OK we can make that and they get it done in just a couple months.
@@mattlance4272 I don't know how long they've sat on the initial draft of the Gorgon, but that's pretty much my thoughts. I'd suppose Innova has a pretty hefty backlog of concept designs.
What plastic is that Era?
I was gonna comment on the glide.
When Simon demoed them in that one video, I knew right away that they were easily a 6.
OH boy if MVP starts adding glide/dome to their drivers they might actually be able to get me to bag some.
@@brannnnnnn check out the trail and new fission defy!
I feel like a disc you missed for a comparison based on the flight you're getting is the Dynamic Discs Escape. They go sneaky far and have a similar flight and speed. It is a 9 not a 10 but that's the only part that is off.
The best disc MVP has made? Uh, this is one of the very best discs made by any company.
I notice that the overmold disks are much more visible on the drive!
Also, I want to throw one!!!
Great fight anthony. Good to see you.
Nomad, Terra, Zenith, Detour, and now the Trail are all in the Conrad line and currently the Terra and Detour are my personal faves from his lineup, I'm personally wondering who ends up getting the flippy 12 speed slot, will Simon be the 12 speed guy or will they 50/50 it
Love your videos man!
might have to grab that glow roman myself for my forehand like that idea for sure
This dude knows flight statistics better than I know my social security number. And I used to have to identify with that when I was in basic training.
The defy is another underrated MVP driver imo. Feel and flight is levels above the other MVP stuff imo.
I want real bad now, although I'm just starting to fall in love with the Tern
Good review, love the nerd talk
If I remember correctly, when the tesla came out, it was a 10 speed.
Yep. Our buddy who didn’t have a power arm , loved the Tesla but he could only throw it about 200 ft on a hyzer max .
I really think if you had a max weight aura construct plague doctor to compare to the Trail, you would find it is really similar.
I am confused a little by the comment from Caleb, saying the trail is a wave for faster arm speeds? Since its s slower speed than the wave, wouldnt it be a wave for slower arm speeds?
What I meant is that the trail flies like what a wave is meant to fly like, but for faster arm speeds imo. The trail will fly similar to a wave for slower arm speeds, but with a bit less turn, and less fade
@@caleb_the_discgolfer Thank you for the clarification, I was looking forward to buying the trail, but was hesitant when I misunderstood your comment. Right now a 9-speed is about my my max, the wave is above what I can throw reliably. I am going to grab one to see how it flies for me.
@@TheBlindSquirrel70 I think it will fly consistent with glide for you then
Really wish you compared it to the Zenith!
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I noticed you don’t throw any legacy disc do not like them?
I’ve reviewed them a bit before but haven’t put any in the bag, they haven’t sent me any and they’re not crazy popular so I haven’t made recent vids
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Love your guys vibe, are you guys playing pro tournaments, because you guys just shredded that course?
MVP photons ive gotten several 400 ft drives and pretty consistent accuracy, its a 155g i think, and my second fave driver currently in my bag, every other mvp driver/fairway ive owned has ended up at the bottom of my bag, never used on courses at all, just come out for warm ups and practice drives, The MVP Energy is the worst driver ive ever owned, Ive never once gotten a proper turn over S flight out of it, I assume its above my arm speed, my best drives are around 420, but I average the 370 range, and i am a mostly side arm driver (im a lefty btw)
You should have compared this to a Champion Beast I recon it would have been very similar, will be fun to see if it can kick my beast out of my bag
if I'd owned one I definitely would have!
I was going to say almost a brand new G star Beast. Champ Beasts are beefy.
@@mattbroughton750 maybe but the trail looks to be decently stable aswell 🤔
Sar Archon is really similar to this Trail mold only I find MVP/Axiom odd in my hand.
They feel and fly just like the old pfn Barry 2x. Ive since stopped looking for backups cause I plan on switching eventually
I wonder how it competes to the Thought Space Athletics Construct, as TSA also uses some unused MVP Molds and is made in MVP Plastic.
It also is a 10 speed disc and has 6 glide (as you suggest the Trail should have) it only has one more Fade, but as you know, the numbers don't have to match. When I check the PDGA specs for the two discs, they look very similar.
Surprised no beast. I feel like the beast is the closest disc you could have used
11:09
Looks to fly very similar to the DGA Undertow.
The Beast does well in this category.
I measured 3 teslas. Proton, fission, neutron. All three measured 19.5mm +/- 0.1mm.
Also measured 3 Gorgons in star. All measured 20.6mm. Maybe pdga just rounds up.
Possible MVP disc in the bag then? 👀
So I bag the trail and the slightly more understable Thoughtspace Construct. Which is the most similar disc I've thrown.
Cool course.
If it's a control driver Hex...i'm going to be in love
if i had thrown it straight I might have gotten my first ace. instead...i ended up in someone's yard lol probably why i don't play the park by my house often.
It flies just like the Inertia
It's a wave...
You're missing the Latitude 64 Sapphire in your comparison
Love the channel and love the challenges but love when you lose the challenges more. Root for you in tournaments though. It's coop seeing you give plastic away. You look happy doing it.
Break out the calipers!
The number of turn and fade represents degrees of angle.
innova sidewinder is the og same disc
these companies make discs, and the numbers I bet they got it right just cuz huh.
i like the terms, understable overstable, slider curve lol.
Anyone know where i can buy team Mvp merch?
Can’t
I love this guy but sometimes he’s talkin so fast I’m like does he do coke before these videos or something 😂
It seems like it goes like a Mamba
didn't latitude have an over mold before mvp?
bro still hinting his new stamp
(its fye)