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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ก.ค. 2024
- Today let's take a look at the features of the Girsan MC1911 S10 Hunter handgun, a 10mm semi auto handgun imported by EAA.
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Will it digest the 40 round?
it is chambered for 10mm... so no, not really. at least that is going to be my stance here in a public comment. 🤣😂
@@CloverTac That's a pity. The Glock 10 mm will do it all day long, but is so dang blocky.
you do realize that a 40 headspaces off the case mouth and when chambered in a longer chamber you are relying basically on an extractor (much weaker than a chamber) to headspace the round, right? that is the root of my comment, publicly, i would not advocate the use of 40 in any semi auto 10mm... the potential for something bad to happen is there. now, since both these rounds in a revolver would headspace off a moon clip of some sort, that is a whole different situation. i do not know you nor your education and experise but felt the need to come back and clarify this just in case there is someone out there new to firearms curious as to why i answered your question the way i did. just becuase something can work, does not mean it is optimal or completely safe.
follow up question, you can easily buy 10mm ammo for the same price or maybe even less than 40... so i don't get why you would want to shoot 40 in a 10mm anyway. care to give us some insight on that side of things?
@@CloverTac Your point about headspacing and extractors is well-put. The (admittedly blocky and let's face it, butt-ugly) Glock has at least one competition shooter who has fired tens of thousands of 40 ammo through his 10.
More to come for sure with this 10mm. Until then if you wanna check out more from Girsan, take a look at this playlist... th-cam.com/play/PLft_AoveeQYdtaq4jwEzQOB4LmpK72k40.html
Nice shooting gun! I have a Girsan 1911 .45 acp, it’s a great gun at a great price.👍🏻
Just got mine and love it. Great review.
sweet, this one still going strong, love it too.. keep us posted how yours does
Straordinario,un vero successo, è un grande piacere seguirti
I love 10mm 1911's I have a RIA I am going to upload a review of it. Great video that is a beautiful pistol.
Have to find one now
#NotMyFault 🤣🤣
This will be getting added to the collection
Absolutely brother i never knew they made this
I got the 45 and I love mine
Just got mine yesterday ❤ now just got to get optic mounted
Sweet!
mine has fiberoptic sights that came with it, just shot off 100 rounds today and i love this gun!!
yeah, this was one of the first into the country, the newer stuff should have the upgraded novak style sights... happy to hear you love it, love mine as well... has really given me a whole new appreciation for 1911s in general
Got to get one of these
Agreed
It has come to my attention there is a TYPO with the specs, weight SHOULD be about 50oz. I did verbally say the correc weight but wanted to clarify in case there is any confusion.
Love my 10mm RIA... Girsan needs to make this in compact!
they do make the ahorter 10mm carry and also the witness 2311 in a shorter one too, come on now, pay attention buddy 🤣😂
Impressed
Looks like a winner for taking to the field. Back-up for hogs or even taking a doe for meat at the proper ranges.
coud be, yeah
Interesting Girsan has had my attention ever since they came out with their high power clone one of my favorite all-time pistols.
But I've been looking for a 10 mm semi-auto to use deer hunting this might just fit the bill if I can find one at any of my local gun shops Girsan products tend to sell out very quick.
just about everything sells out quick now days but yeah, with the price point on Girsan stuff, no doubt they go quick.
@@CloverTac for most handguns in this area I live just south of Lexington Kentucky we got buds gun shop which typically has a pretty good supply and a little bit West to me is Kentucky guns who normally has a good supply.
I live near Richmond Kentucky which has one pretty good gun shop that has decent selection if not they can order pretty much anything you want I'll probably check them out first I'm also going to want a dovetail mount for a red dot so I'll have to get one of those.
I prefer to hunt with an optic.
Thanks for the review by the way.
my pleasure, on the optic front... you may wanna wait around and see if Girsan releases an optic ready version or have the slide actually machined or use a sweeping style picatinny rail (something like you see for competition. my suggestion on a 10mm and for best reliability would probably be that mount... slide movement doesn't play a role there and this slide obviously is going to beat around a lot. the dovetail style mounts i have on 9mm handguns are not solid at all... just something to think about. you certainly don't wanna miss or worse yet, just wound a deer and have it run off.
Was wanting a 10mm....looks like a choice for me.
I just ordered one from Budsgunshop! Black finish. It's nice for a change to find a quality pistol for under 1K.
sweet keep us posted on how you like it
10mm is the ultimate power in the universe....
heck yeah it is 😂🤣 a lot of people don't realize the Death Star was chambered in 10mm 😂🤣
@@CloverTac yes sir
@@fluffy10mmjeepguy92 unfortunately, i think it was built by Kel Tec 😂🤣
@@CloverTac 🤣😂 right
Turkey 10!
I have been seriously considering switching from 45 ACP to 10 mm , as I carry either my CZ 97 10rnd Mag plus one in the pipe, or my Old (but trusty) Para Ordinance Double stack boasting 12 rounds in the mag plus one in the pipe, both chambered for .45 Auto. Don’t get me wrong I love my CZ, but I’m a 1911 man through and through…so, when I came across this bargain, the Girsan MC 1911 Hunter with a 6” barrel (which is a barrel length I’ve coveted in a 1911 for the extra muzzle velocities and recoil balances, aaaaand since I saw Terminator as a child) it looked a little too good to be truly worthy of its claims. With what you’ve shown me foday (when you first racked the first round, that slide it looked like it was a stick of butter sliding in a hot pan) with what I’ve heard from a few other reviews from other sources, I’m sold because of your review here today…definitely going to buy one. Thank you very much! I’ll definitely be subscribing. Stay Armed, America. 🇺🇸
if you do partake, keep us posted... still lovig mine but also keep in mind the double stack 2311 models are out now too
I would get some Hogue over molded rubber grips for that 1911
yeah, that woudl be cool too, to each their own. I have already pimped this one out wtih a few things like some Pacmyr (spelling?) finger grooves and LOK Grips G10 style grips that are a bit more aggressive. can't recall but think there are some pictures in the community section here on the channel somewhere.
@@CloverTac Nice those are great too
I realize this video is a year old. Just wondering if you would still recommend this firearm. I've been wanting a 6" barrel 1911 in 10mm, but most I've seen were extremely expensive. I've been researching some of the other pistols in the Girsan line and so far everything seems positive. I saw in one of your comments that you didn't care for Kimber. I own two models of their Stainless II 1911s in 45 and I love em. The most accurate and reliable guns I've ever shot. But I purchased them in the late 90s so maybe they were better made back then.
yeah older is almost always better on just about anything... as for this one, still love it and still running well
That would be great and all but where would you get 10mm ammo
at the local store? online? it is out there... not like i can link stuff here on TH-cam 😂🤣
Are standard M1911A1 Grips compatible with the Girsan MC 1911 grips? What about the trigger parts? I neglected getting a Colt M45A1 surplus gun when they went on the market. i'd like a 1911 railed platform in the locker for range use and the MC 1911S Hunter with 10rd Chip McCormick magazines would be reasonable protection from Sasquatch in the woods.🤪
grips, yes,trigger, sorts,1911s are not reslly drop in BUT imho you are crszy to spend money on this trigger, it is plenrt nice enough
Just bought one plan to use it strictly for those 3am noises 😅
hopefully you never need it for anything like that and just find yourself having fun out on the range
Is it rated for the higher power 10mm? Such as Bufflo Bore and the like? I have heard that some 10mm handguns can't take anything more then the watered down 10mm.
officially, no, but being all steel, it will have no problems with that, i am pretty certain. it handles anything and everything that my EAA Witness can handle, so far. i don't think any manufacturer recommends super hot 10mm all the time, do they?
@CloverTac I don't know. I wouldn't necessarily want to feed it a constant diet of TNT, but would be nice if it could handle 10mm loaded to original spec.
@@Calaveras32Spcl it will, if the S&Ws back in the day held up, this thing will, it is a beast of all metal goodness
I’m torn between this and the Metro Arms American Classic 2 in 10mm. Have you had a chance to shoot one ? I’ve only found one review and it’s good but the Girsan has many reviews lol. Reliability is the key decider for me as well as accuracy.
i have shot quite a few things from Metro... so once upon a time, the 1911s that were coming from the Phillipines, like Metro, RIA, etc were pretty solid. that is not really the case anymore in my opinion, they have seemed to drop in quality over the years. i think this has to do with the equipment used, it may seem hard to believe but most of the turkish companies use state of the art machinery where the phillipines run on remanufactured stuff, things they have to rebuild, etc.
@@CloverTacthanks for the comment helped me decide for sure. The Girsan are forged not cast too right? I’m excited to get to shooting lol
@@CloverTacit was between this and the Tisas D10 but I couldn’t beat the price point of the Girsan lol.
sorry, as i point out ALL THE TIME, TH-cam comments are a very unreliable way to communicate. did not see this until now and even then it was by complete chance. if you don't get a reply here it is often not because you are ignored (whether by me or anyone else). the best way is to follow on social media to use DM/PM or use email if you need an answer. so yes, Girsan is forged. as for the difference in Tisas and Girsan, I always go Girsan, hands down as I have seen far more issues arise with the stuff from Tisas... my opinion based on my exeperience of course.
Clovertac I want one of those 10mm 1911. How bad run in price since a Eaa import ?
all i can really talk about here on TH-cam (cuz of their "promotion" rules) is the MSRP and that runs around 7 ish
Hey Clover Tac, you think Girsan be able to handle Underwood Hardcast and Penetrators well? Been looking at one, but hesitant to get it if it’s not able to handle hardcast or penetrators.
i think so... i have yet to acquire any to test though. it is well built so don't see why not
@@CloverTac alright, thank you
Just ordered mine picking up later today. Any heads up on replacement sights? Brand/ model number? Or any easy way to put a redo for optic on it?
Red dot * optic
awesome stuff... be sure to keep us posted how it all works out. to answer the optic question, no, not really. there are some adapter plates out there that you attach through the rear dovetail but those are ugle, not very reliable and sit the optic way too high. girsan (EAA) has some other 1911s that are optic read, which is optimal. my guess is we might see an optic version of this eventually... but that doesnt help folks like us who already own them. if you are getting this one, the one with the rail, there are some optic mounts that attach via the rail and sweep back. they are bulky and you mainly see them on competition firearms. they still sit the sight high but they are solid and reliable. as far as replacment sights, this being a 1911, there are tons of options out there... so it really just depends on your personal preferences. for me, simply painting the front sight white with a sharpie paint marker (video on that process) seemed to help me a lot. that said, i have had great luck with both Hi Viz and XS Sights in the past on other handguns and would not rule out going that route on this one eventually. great question, thanks!
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04:18 Caterpillar of death.
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Were you shooting Underwood or Buffalo Bore through Girsan 10mm
i have not becaues i don't have any of that unfortunately. so just some range ammo so far. if i ever get my hands on some, will probably do a video on it, should be fine, this thing is solid metal and tough as nails
Does look like more recoil than my g40
maybe, seems more than my G20 but I coudl be wrong. keep i mind, right now i have a gimped little finger (pulled a tendon) so that finger is in a splint and has my grip all screwed up. may eventually do a side by side with the G20, steel vs poly
Glock handles the recoil better than any other. Has to do with the width and the way the frame flexes from the recoil
@@bonitahalpern5424 not to mention the dual recoil spring
Does anybody know of a optic plate for this gun , I can’t seem to find one closest thing I can find is for the Smith and Wesson with adjustable rears
sadly i don't know of anything but that might be on purpose. i would worry about a mount that attches to the rear sight dovetail on a 10mm. there are some mounts (more competition use) that attach to the front rail and sweep backwards or you could have the slide milled. at this poit, that is the only viable options i see. with the popularity of optics ready handguns, i would be be surprised if we see an optics ready model before the end of the year.
Is the finish Ceracote or an Enamel?
appears cerekote but have honestly nevwr asked... will try to get an answer and follow up
Try and that clone HP they make
i have, they are sweet. i chose to work with this one right now because everyone and their dog are playing with the HP clones... plus i been waiting on this one for a freaking long time now. and btw, worth the wait, pretty awesome
Reading the comments, no one has asked if it has a supported chamber?, does it? I read that you say it is ramped, which is great.
that is a GOOD question and honestly I do not know SO let me message EAA and ask.
cool screen name BTW, i really gotta obsession with spiders, think they are cool 😂🤣😂🤣
well, that was a quick reply from EAA, love my industry connections and YES, 100% supported. i figured it probably was being 10mm but wanted to be sure.
Yes, that is even better news, now i may replace my Witness Hunter with this! It cost half but may be just as good.
Well, i was given the nickname in high school because i was the silent kid that beat the bully. Leave the brown recluse alone, and you'll live. Lol.
I have a question. How strong is the Girsan compared to the Glock 20 or Glock 40? Would a Glock 20 with aftermarket dual recoil spring be better for the hotter loads?
not really sure, gotta keep in mind you are comparing metal to polymer... i tend to lean towards metal
I could get a heavy duty aftermarket recoil spring for it, and Blackjack buffers.
oh yeah, based on a 70 series, so should be able to to a lot with it if need be, but like most 1911s may require a little bit of fitting which isn't too difficult for those who are mechanically inclinced
From what I have seen in other videos, the Girsan functions flawlessly right out of the box. It's usually the most expensive high end 1911 pistols that have issues and need tweaking to work out the bugs. Budget pistols rarely have these problems
Only ships with one magazine?
yup, which is pretty common now days. but mags are easy to get, that is good
Yeah every gun should come c with three magazines. Cheap bastards
Do you know what the recoil spring weight is on that I heard somewhere it was a 15 pound recoil spring which is pretty light for a 10mm pistol
I do not know but will try to get in touch with EAA and ask for you so hang tight.
Wanted to follow up with you real quick to say that EAA is looking into this for us. They said that it was definitely on the lighter end of things but were unsure of the actual weight. They are also unsure of replacement options. After a bit of homework (i am admittedly not a 1911 guru) i coudl not find a readily available supply of replacement options, at least for 6" anywhere significant, or that i would trust. I will try to keep you posted here as things develop. Once I am caught up with coverage from events and other poject on the channel, I may try to find some springs, play around with them and do a video on that... but we are probably looking well into the summer at this point before that can get added to the mix. thanks for the question and please stay in touch. if you find out anything, please reply here or in another comment so others can easily see it.
@@CloverTac I think Wolff Springs or Wilson Combat has them or Fusion Firearms has them
@@shaunsian4784 didn't see anything for 6" from either of those but again, not a 1911 guru so may not have been looking at the right stuff
10.
The Girsan MC1911 Hunter 10mm I just bought doen't have the accessory rail on the frame. I'm going to put a red dot mount adapter on mine and mount a Vortex Venom or a Burris Fast Fire 3 red dot and sight it in for 75 yards for deer hunting
there are various versions out there, keep me posted on how well that works, i have not had good experience with those adapters that mount to a rear sight dovetail and especially on a 10mm, that worries me even more
@@CloverTac Will do
@@CloverTac What brand of red dot adapter did you use? I'm going with an EGW red dot mount adapter
@@shaunsian4784 ECW is good stuff and to be honest i do not recall what brand adapter i am running, they were bought way too long ago, think i only have two, both on 9mm race style handguns
So does it come with a ramped barrel?
10mm ammo must be expensive down there.
matter of finding it more than anything
I just ordered mine for 599. Well see the quality of this gun. I can tell you I had failure to feed on my kimber Rapide 10mm. But if you pay attention to your arm you can troubleshoot it yourself and fix it.
keep us posted, so far this one is running well. sounds like you kjnow that 1911 style handguns and projectile type can pose issues, newbies don't get that and just complain. as for Kimber, never beena fan, ever with their stuff... i take that back, they do have some pretty sweet 22LR competition rifles 🤣😂
First 50 rounds through gun. Not one hiccup. Came in yesterday. Only thing I plan to change is the grips and front sight. Also the finish on this is amazing. The kimber scratched easy. This is a keeper.
@@skinanbones5517 well, i have arlready "nicked" this one, would not say scratched but i am pretty rough with most of my guns to be honest. thanks for the update and yeah, i have already swapped grips myself and painted the front sight white until i can figure out what i wanna do, so i feel you there.
kimbers are doodoo now, so many reports of brand new high end kimbers that do nothing but jam
@@dsxz appreciate you minding your language, very PG there 🤣😂 yeah, it does seem Kimber has been lacking more and more over the years.... not an uncommon thing unfortunately in the gun industry.... Remington anyone?
I’m thinking about buying one but I’m on the edge about reliability? I’ve heard a lot of good things about 1911 10mm and I’ve heard a bunch of negative things regarding cycling and running different ammo. Maybe someone could give me some good info on this particular 10mm that may ease my mind about buying it.
every semi auto on the planet can and will run into these issues you speak of at some point with some ammo, that would be my first remark here. now, that said, maybe you are new to firearms or something, which is both fine and awesome if you are. it should be obvious from my many videos with this handgun, as well as my podcasts with EAA that i have had no issue. with the ammo shortage we have had the last two years, i have only ran a few different types through this, basically all FMJ stuff. i would also add that 1911s in general can have issues with any ammo outside of ball ammo. though this one has a ramped barrel, which does help with those types of issues. i suggest maybe checking out the comments of this and my other videos on this one. i don't recall anyone who has one saying they have had any sort of issue... doesn't mean you won't, things happen but odds look pretty good from where i sit that you would be fine. hope all that helps.
@@CloverTac i wish that EAA took as good of care with regular people as they do with you. IMHO, their service is terrible. I have NEVER had a pistol as INACCURATE AS THIS. What a waste of my money.
I have several 10mm 1911's. This EAA is by far the worst. My others are incredible. My Dan Wesson 10mm Valor's can hit 8" steel at 85 yrds free hand and have never failed. Save up your $$$ and buy quality.
i hear very few people having issues, hate you have, my stuff from them has always been fine.... don't know what else to say. guess that is why some folks drive fords, others chevys, others dodge, others toyotas.... gotta find what works for you i guess
Was there any play or wiggle with the slide on the frame? There is with mine
yeah but not much at all, way less than just about any other 1911 i own
@@CloverTac Ok thanks. I thought I got a faulty one LOL
@@shaunsian4784 is this your first 1911?
@@CloverTac I had a Kimber a while back also in 10mm had to sell it due to bills I also have a Glock in 10mm
@@shaunsian4784 obviously Kimber is a 1911, Glock is not but, ok, my question was because i do not know your level of firearm education. it is pretty common for most handguns except really high end stuff and competition models (usually high end as well) to have some play between the slide and frame. i have seen old school colt 1911s that were complete rattle traps but ran fine, shot fine, etc
The 10mm making a comeback?? Now that ballistic technology has extremely advanced the 9mm to better than adequate performance. I've always preferred the 10 over all else, but now 9 has been plenty good enough for me. 40 and 45 seem unnecessary these days whereas the 45 was good back in the reason for it's creation days, but no longer needed.
10mm is fun... that is enough for me... always been a fan
Part of the reason it may not be the reason that 10 mm is making a comeback is the 40 caliber seems to be losing favor.
Alot of guys carry 9mm in the city and 10mm in the woods. 9mms better for concealed carry but I just went to a glock 20 for a woods gun.
i think people start to realize that the 10mm should have never went away. if it were not for S&W wanting to try and best Glock back in the day, there would have never been a 40. the motivation behind it was primarily that more than anything. there is some interesting insight into this in the book Glock - Rise of Americas Gun. very good read on many levels if you have not read it
yup, seems to be the case in general
Does that 10mm Girsan have a ramped barrel
i am pretty sure it is but am out of town the rest of this week... just had the Shooting Sports Showcase in Talladega and The Gathering in South Carolina starts today. i will try to double check that when i get back home.
@@CloverTac OK thanks I appreciate it
@@shaunsian4784 you bet
@@shaunsian4784 sorry for hte late reply here, someone else asked earlier... YES, ramped barrel
@@CloverTac That's ok. I appreciate you getting back with me on that question
I finally got my hands on one
whoop! congrats
@@CloverTac Thanks
@@shaunsian4784 be sure to keep us all posted how it works out
@@CloverTac I sure will
By the way I got it at Grab A Gun I just ordered it today
Anyone have any holster recommendations for this? Is the frame the same size as a .45?
seems to be the same, yes... 6" barrel might be the bigger issue
@@CloverTac Possible to get a compensator?
@@kylewhite8434 no from the factory, and no threaded barrel options either at this time. i do not know enough about 1911s to say one way or another about aftermarket stuff
@@CloverTac Alright thanks man.
Do you happen to know if these are Series 70 or 80?
Thanks.
i am not a big enough 1911 lover to answer that but will see if i can find out
ok after a little homework, gonna say this one shares a lot more with the 80 than 70... seems most modern 1911s do
Many thanks for the response.
I know you answered but i have to ask for asurrance, isnit really a Series 80? They have a plunger thing under the slide in the rear.
And, which frame cut is the ramped barrel for? I am learning about Nowlin and Para style ramped barrels.
Sorry for all the questions, i am mostly interested in the slide to put on my Dan Wesson frame.
@@brownrecluse3772 well, i said before that i am not at all a 1911 guy, you mgiht know more than me. so all i can give you is what i think. my suggestion would be to reach out to EAA. if you have no luck PLEASE let me know and I can try to relay questions for you.
just hope you get a good one because EAA support sucks unless you like being on hold for a hour only to get hung up on and when you do get someone on the phone it's like talking to a kid who knows nothing about guns
let me just say this, if you need help with a company, you should ask guntubers, yeah the big dogs won't ever reply but the smaller ones will and we have the contacts to get you taken care of. that said of course, i own many imported by EAA from various companies and have never had an issues. can't say that for import companies like RIA though.
Series 70 or 80?
well, there isn't that firing pin safety on the frame or slide like an 80... so would say more like a 70
That's good! Series 80 feeling trigger would be a deal breaker. Thanks! I want a long slide 10mm so bad.
oh the trigger on this one is absolutely phenominal, exactly what you would expect from a nice 1911... if you get a chance to handle one first, that may be what you wanna try and do just to be sure.
I don't know. Looks good from a distance but every time you do a close up it looks really rough and poorly finished. Yeah, the more I look at that finish the more I get that sketchy feeling.
nah, fit and finish on this thing is pretty good... mgiht be worth checking out one local if you can. hard to tell from a picture and especially on one that has been well used like this one.
@@CloverTac Well, your close-ups are pretty tight and clear so we'll have to disagree on that. But your video is still getting a thumbs-up and I don't mind supporting the algorithm that supports your channel by commenting. Thanks for the video CloverTac.
girsan or tisas someone help!
girsan for sure and something imported by EAA has my vote hands down. EAA is and has been working very closely with Girsan about what they bring in, the other importers, eh, not so much
Just out of curiosity, why are you wearing gloves?
i often wear gloves when shooting. it helps with grip, helps mitigate pulse, helps with exposure to heavy metals, dirt, grime, sharp edges on steel targets, etc. just personal choice. lately, it covers the horrile looking splints i have been wearing due to a finger injury.... so win, win
@@CloverTac Haha, good enough. I always found gloves hampered my dexterity, so I was curious. Thanks for the reply!
my pleasure, yeah, gotta make sure they fit right for sure, that is a must. not all gloves are created equal for sure and everybody's hands are a bit different. from there just a matter of being used to them. dexterity is really only an issue with certain things. not like i am wearing gloves for EDC or anything. so for competition, hunting, range fun, etc it isn't nearly as big of a deal.
This Piece would be banned by the current HR-1808 SAW Semi Automatic Weapons Ban that just passed the House into the Senate, because it has a detachable magazine and weighs 50oz.
dont think there sre 60 votes in the senste.... and even if they pull it off recent scotus cases have lawsuits ready to file immediately. They never passed an awb when they had the numbers, looks like an election play to their base.
I bought one a year ago, and very disappointed. It's a cheap Turkish made knock-off of the Remington R1 Hunter. My Glock 20 Gen 3 is a much superior 10mm pistol than the Girsan. I plan on selling or trading the Girsan to get my money back.
my Glock 20 was my first ever 10mm, an awesome choice for 10mm no doubt... not nearly as pretty as the 1911 design of course but is not supposed to be. as for this Hunter, still rocking along, still going strong, no issues that i can speak of and accurate as one can ask for.
The Girsan is very bullet finicky whereas the Glock 20 can shoot anything with the Glock factory, or KKM barrel. My Glock factory trigger is also much better which is surprising. The Glock is also much more accurate. The Remington R1 Hunter would be much more desirable than the Girsan but it's also double the price.
again, i have not had the same expereince as you.. but that is pretty common. with all the videos i have on a ton of stuff, comments like this are all too common. someone with issues i have not experienced. good luck? bad luck? unrealistic expectations? difference in use? lack of exeperience/frame of reference? all of the above plus some? who knows. it will be interesting to see if the newly acquired remington picks up on handguns again. a big part of me doubts it. and even if they do, who knows what kind of quality one can expect it being a all new company... that has been one reason for the slow but steady decline of the remington brand over the years. company just been sold too many times.
I did some research and found out Kimber has the best chamber support out of all the 1911 style pistols in 10mm. I have no experience with Kimber and I heard they recently had some QC issues that were corrected. Remington is also leaving Illion NY and moving to Alabama.
i have never been a Kimber fan, know a lot of "former" employees and heard a lot of stories. remington is far from remington now days, i am not sure the current owners can revive what it once was. no doubt they can survive a certain amount off the ignorance of consumers that do not pay attention to the industry enough to understand some of the "iconic" companies they praise are now very far removed from the glory days of their original inception.
You need to stretch that gun out a minimum of 25 yd
i am pretty usre this isn't the last time you will see a video on this one, several videos on the channel already... will eventually get around to doing 75 yards on paper and steel most likely. biggest hang up right now is having anough ammo to do much of anything. 🤣😂
I purchased a gov and com length girsan (S and C), both of them shot about 3” too low. I sent them in for warranty sight replacement. Buyer has to pay for overnight shipping both ways (not optional), almost a $ hundred dollars. The sights they replaced it with were awful looking and the replacement job marred the slide a little bit. Took almost 2 months. The shooting low aspect is very common on all of these Girsans. Other than that, nothing else was wrong BUT thats a big deal to me, wont be buying from them (EAA/Girsan) again.
hate to hear you had issues. poi vs poa changes on this one depending on the ammo... which is supposed to happen, other than that, no issues, runs like a champ. have had nothing but good to say on all the girsan stuff i own. i think on every single firearm i own (number of which i will not say) i have heard bad stories, guess i have always been lucky, just got the good ones or maybe am not doing the same thing with them that causes issues.
just to clarify, this one here is 10mm... are you talking about the 45 ACP? they do not yet make multiple versions of the 10mm
@@CloverTac yeah, the ones I purchased are for the 45acp. Both the S and C model that have the rail.
@@CloverTac yeah, it would have been an absolute steal had it not been for the sights. I had a few of my other shooters run through it to make sure I wasn’t crazy. To clarify, we had 3 different types of 230gr fmj ran through it all w/ the same issues, it shot very low, both 1911s from girsan 🤷🏻♂️
Since you never had to deal with their repair, just letting you know that it does take a few months and they only give yoy status updates if you ask for them. The updates themselves are pretty bad as well, ie “it is still being worked on.” They marred the pistol slide near the sights and included a note saying it was already like that. Shipping is paid both ways by the buyer and overnight insured is not cheap, you dont get to pick either. Is this how it is w/ other brands, i wouldnt know since this was my first time i ever sent my forearms through the warranty. Also, the front sight they replaced it w/ was horrible. It hangs off a bit bc its too long, i cant make this stuff up. Its like they found these front sights laying around and just gave them a try. 🤦🏻♂️
so knowing the guys with EAA really well, that puts me in a position where even if i had an issue, i doubt it would be the same. but that said, i am a life long firearm owner, capable of gunsmithing and figuring out issues, so would probably have just fixed what it was and moved on. that said, i know for a fact that if they get things in that have inherent issues, they absolutely deal with them on the supply side of things but things can and do slip through the cracks with any company, so things happen. you don't sound too unreasonable of a person which sadly most people are... wished you had not had the experience you did.
PRICE?
we gotta be super careful talking prices here on TH-cam as it can be contrued as "promoting sales". msrp (which is not retail) is around 7
@@CloverTac ok Thanks
@@dickeymoore3662 you bet... Google is your friend 😂🤣
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So far I am not impressed. Reliability has been poor. Mine had numerous chambering malfunctions. The first round frequently gets stuck half way in. Some later rounds have the same issue during shooting. The trigger is not that great. Overall, my Glock 20 is much better! I think I might have a lemon. Very disappointed with the Girsan.
180 degree opposite here, have had no issues to speak of at all with hundreds of rounds through mine (various types). in fact, now how the compensated carry version i am playing around with. i won't knock the G20 though, it is a great 10mm for sure
Not sure why I am having bad luck with mine, but it could be it needs to be broken in. Maybe it needs a stronger spring. After adjusting the rear sight, I am still much more accurate my Glock 20. I have some dummy rounds I could cycle through it at home to loosen it up.
could be, break in definitely can be a thing and that can take anywhere from a couple hundred high pressure ammo to several hundred lower pressure. this is especially true when you are talking metallic on metallic firearms. smoothing out minor machining defects is important, as is lubrication, etc with good products. the ammo you use can also be an issue and every firearm will handle that differently. i have found that most 1911s do not do particularly well with ammo that has a blunt style tip or a longer projectile. the feed angles when it comes to the magazine and ramp, well, are not optimal. as far as swapping springs, yeah, also potentially an ammo thing. there is that goldilocks zone when it comes to how fast or slow everything needs to move. limp wristing comes into play here too (not that it sounds like an issue you have) because it allows that energy that would otherwise work the slide to be absorbed through movement by that weaker grip. and, keep in mine too, glocks are not 1911s. they grip angle, bore axis and many other things are completely different, right? i love the beauty of a 1911, i love the history, etc but at the end fo the day i myself tend to shoot beter with a glock. i shoot plenty well enough with a 1911, just often not as good from a scoring or precise accuracy perspective... plenty good enough for defensive use and cerrtainly enough to have fun on the range. i would suggest really working out the slide and the trigger, maybe while watching tv. be sure you use lubrication and see what happens. from there, if you are feeling froggy and are a little handy, do some light polishing (not with sandpaper or files) on the feed ramp. i like to use mothers aluminum wheel polish and a felt or cloth wheel, lower speed, on my dremel. you can also do it by hand. next thing to keep in mind too is that no matter what brand or model you are talkinga about, there can just be stuff that just gets out with issues. let's say a company releases 1000 into the wild with a 1% rate of failure... that is 10 units right, no big deal but for those people who get those 10 it is a big deal. then those 10 complaining, and rightfully so, reach literally thousands of other people who may have issues no related but just assume since those 10 had issues they are too. a complicated way to look at things sure, but a more realistic way. it is no secret here that EAA are friends of the channel but with that comes me knowing they do very good to double check everything they bring it, they are not perfect, no one is, but they do what they can. oh and at the risk of making a long reply even longer, keep in mind too that "budget" often comes with a little required love. the most expensive part of a firearm is the human contact and human labor involved with minor details, like fit and finish. with premium brands, that is why they are so much more expensive, it isn't like the parts, metals, materials, etc are necessarily better, in many places they come from the same source. so the money you save by going cheaper just requires a little patience, love and labor to line out. hopefully all this rambling will at least give you some ideas of how you mgiht turn things around.
Ironically, I had serious malfunction issues with 2 other new guns that same night at the range. A new AR15 upper and CZ Scorpion evo3 S1 Carbine. CZ suggested my Turkish made ammunition could be the problem.
so i am a BIG fan of most things Turkish as far as firearms. there are a few manufacturers that can be problematic but overall they have super modern facilities, better than most US companies. they also take a lot of pride in their work. often you hear people talk abotu Turkish firearms like they are being thrown together with dirt and rocks by peopel who could care less and that simply is not true (again for the most part)... however, i am not a big fan of Turkish ammo. now to be honest, i have not used just a whole lot of it, but seems domestic stuff is better and there coudl be even bigger problems arise if you are talking about Turkish ammo in a non NATO caliber... translation of measurements, lack of experience, etc could cause issues for sure.