Dignics 09c vs. Rakza Z vs. Hurricane 3 Neo | Comparison Review
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- This review compares Dignics 09c, Rakza Z, and H3 Neo. My friends Cole (2150), Grayden (2250), Oliver (2250), and I (2100) are featured.
Music Credit: KaiKai Kitan covered by Jimmy Phan… • Jujutsu Kaisen Opening...
0:00 Intro
4:02 Review
14:10 Conclusion
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Great review. Been waiting for someone to compare all these rubbers. And holy crap, Oliver is a beast!
Thanks for the comprehensive review sir.
Thanks for your review, I decided to use dignic09c 👌👌
The exact thing I like about razka Z is it does not have that extra punch that sends my ball long. It is more linear imo. Thanx for the review. (I have tried dignics 80 and definitely prefer razkaZ)
I would give Rakza Z a chance but its twice the price of hurricane 8. A comparison between Rakza Z and Hurricane 8-80 37° or 38° sponge hardness would be nice.
@@1xXNimrodXx1 I have always wondered why more people do not like H8. I agree that would be a good comparison.
definitely prefer razkaZ
Spot on review. D09c can be as fast and spinny as you want depending on your effort and technique. It's worth every cent because it's a fantastic rubber.
Great reviews. Love the image of the rubber on the top right when you’re playing. Keep up the good content.
You can probably shorten the practice sessions to keep it streamlined for viewers.
My god. First time on this channel, but the first thing I recognize is the HxH theme music! Lol. Great job reviewing the rubbers also.
Is it not jjk?
Many thanks. Great analysis of the 3 rubbers, however no analysis of serves or flicks that might help us decide which to purchase.
Nice review 👍😁!
Nice. What do you also think about dragon grip and bluegrip v1 as well?
Great review!
Your friend Oliver loops with H3 faster than you loop with the D09C is just showing how important is to put much more emphasis on the technique rather than the rubbers
Agree the DHS H3 Neo will give you control when you need it and speed when you apply power to it. IMHO, it's one of the most balanced rubbers you can find. I live in SEA and DHS H3 H3 Neo are by far the most used rubbers on FH
First video that I watch in your channel, really nice one
Love the HxH background music!
I think durability divided by price is an important factor.
Great review 👏🏼 I use the DHS black for my backhand and the 09C on the forehand. Best quality and consistent rubbers I’ve tried.
Yeii! A longer video again ;)
Rakza Z is extra ordinary rubber bro
Dont just praise one you playing with (dignics 9)
Every rubber have its own properties, look at cost difference in rakza z n dignics 9 , rakza Z is clear winner
In my opinion rakza Z is good for ameture n semi pro players
Where as dignics 9 is for pro
Rakza Z is highly durable n dignics 9 less durable
Though I like your video as compared to other youtubers because you campared all rubbers pretty nicely ✌️
Thanks n Keep doing good work dear 😊
I sort of agree but nobody really plays the H3 without boosting it so you cant really compare it properly without it. With booster its faster little softer and normal players like yourself can get alot out of it. I agree that the Z is better for the backhand personally because its a stable rubber on low impact but gets quite fast when hit with more force. Also one layer of booster improves the overall speed without losing the control.
Thanks for the great video!
Fantastic review...1st timer here. 👍
nice review
Have you ever heard or tried JOOLA Golden tango and Golden tango ps. These are hybrid rubbers as well
And what about Nittaku Sieger PK50??? Insane spin and very powerful...
PandaPong, you've got some nice strokes but it's either the shoes or the floor (or both) but you keep sliding and don't seem to have much power or stability from the legs because od that. I'd suggest get some good TT shoes, like the Lezoline series.
Literally just wondering about all the hybrid options. Donic Blue grip c2 is a another strong contender for me
A Good comparison would be to compare them with DHS Hurricane 350 with 39degree sponge.
Thanks
i just bought rakza z max sponge today combine with tibhar MX-D n malin carbon 5+2 penhold.. hope the setup is not too heavy for penhold.. please rakza make me happy
Sir, what is your favorite combination of blade and rubbers?
thx for the review. so the 09c is exactly what i dont want. not linear, too much speed with just a little bit of force would send a lot of my balls out of the table. but its out of the question anyway because of the price. i dont want to support that. gonna buy a H3N and try it out next
haha "we have oliver here he has a forehand loop... ähm... from another planet" :D
does anyone know the diffrence from H3 and H3N? same rubber except for the factory boost? so if i boost a H3 its pretty much the same?
It‘s interesting to see, how out of all the rubbers ypu tested against your opponent or friend of yours, the hurricane 3 (neo i think you have) gave him the most trouble. If you have solid technique, you will see an improvement with chinese rubbers.
However, if you dont you can admittedly get a long way with something like a Dignics/Tenergy or even RakzaZ rubber.
It gave him the most trouble because these drills are supposed to be consistent but with the H3 it was all over the place (speed spin placement all).
Hardness that u use for hurrican 3?
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appreciate the HxH intro music
Did you tested Victas TDE? it is really amazing, to me it is the best of FH rubbers.
Thank you for your review, it seems good to me in general. My favorite is Rakza Z on the backhand, not because of the budget but because of the technical benefits: it allows me to defend by blocking and cutting better than the d09c, and when I go to top against sliced balls I can attack well without the unexpected rebounds of the d09c.
In FH I prefer Victas TDE over all of them: Rakza Z has a very high throw angle for FH, d09c betrays me with his exaggerated rebounds, h3 neo is very good only if you hit it hard, as you said, and Victas TDE it's just perfect: logical, easy, very sticky... totally understandable and quick if you hit it hard... and amazing sound.
Thanks for the suggestion!
Hello...I'm from Croatia...I'm interested in whether it's possible to buy hurricane 3 neo pro...thanks
Have played 09c for a year and switching to Rakza Z and Rakza Z Extra Hard. To me this review missed half of the game - service, short game, flicks. The issue with most players is poor technique which fast sponge hides. With Rakza Z you get the short game and flicks and a better bedrock to build your technique. In summary you should play with a slower setup to build technique and save 50%.
Yea I should’ve reviewed more properties of the rubbers, but since I was comparing three I wanted to save time. Next time if I do a review of a single rubber, I’ll try to be more in depth
I agree, even the pros are favoring more grip in the rubber for control which was why 09c was developed. The pros even talk about how less precise you can be with a rubber that grips more, which helps a lot under pressure situations and you can go for your shots more without having to be more precise. As we have seen with the crazy forehand loop guy, if you have the right technique, it doesn't matter much between the rubbers, but if you don't have that technique, there is a huge difference!
Mr Sith,
What blade do you use with your Rakza Z / Z EH ?
I tried with an allround all wood blade and I suspect that the big dwell time of this blade gave me a distorted view of these rubbers.
does your 09c last long?
Bro white tshirt guy hits different 🎉
Hello, What the size of sponge for 09c 1,9 or 2,1?
very good presentation
Thanks!
Me gusta mucho tu canal. Definitivamente Dignics es mejor goma pero necesita más entrenamiento, más pro. Por otra parte con Rakza Z habéis hecho unas jugadas más bellas y duraderas. Así que pienso que para un buen jugador, incluso de 2 nivel nacional es más que suficiente con Rakza Z Extra Hard, que es la goma con la que se debería comparar Dignics 09C. Mucha gente dice que Dignics es la mejor goma, pero de qué sirve la potencia si las bolas caen fuera de la mesa y pierdes las competiciones.
I am not a fan of 50° hardness rubber combos.
I am currently using 38°-40° hardness Palio AK47 rubbers on both sides which are long due for an upgrade.
I am confused between the similarly priced MX-P, MX-S, Rakza7,9,X,(and Z) Xiom Vega Pro, Vega Euro, Omega Euro and Stiga Mantra.
I like to loop/smash with my forehand and block/chop/smash with backhand.
Can somebody enlighten me about these?
I earlier had MarkV on both sides on my mind but many say that it's a very old rubber in 2023.
I use a 7-ply Off Sanwei Fextra 7 (similar to Stiga clipper ply combination).
All the rubbers you mentioned have different sponge and topsheet combinations. MX-P has medium topsheet and hard sponge, Rakza 7 has soft topsheet and hard sponge. Rakza Z has a tacky topsheet. I don't know if you are looking for advice but with the playing style you mentioned I think MX-P wouldn't be bad for FH. On an all wood blade it has enough dwell for loops and more than enough power for smashes
Have you ever had the chance to hit with a donic bluegrip c2? Suprisingly this seems to be quit similar to the dignics 09c
I haven’t, maybe I’ll try it sometime
is this alameda county?
rakza z came out earlier than 09... so it did not imitate it.
tibhar mx-d vs these 3 rubbers pls
In this comparison we learned that only power is important in table tennis.
Currently using 729 battle 2 on my forehand and it suit well on my fh.. Better that hurricane neo ... It is a chibese rubber that perform as tensor hybrud rubber
B2 Provincial Blue best
@@raby8881Battle 2 Gold, wine spong 40°, the best
How would fit the xiom Vega X into this? Can you do a review of it?
It's not got a tacky top sheet
Xiom Vega X has a pretty grippy top sheet though! Fun to use- been having fun with it
damn that H3Neo is hitting hard on the right hands much more on Rakza Z.
What do you think about Hurricane 3 Blue sponge Provincial ? It's supposedly good with proper boosting , and yeah Oliver does have a beast forehand
I’m not an expert on hurricane. In general they have similar properties. Hard, spinny, and slow.
Honestly Hurricane is goes harder when you go hard and soft when you go soft, if you have the right technique it becomes a lethal weapon even when unboosted.
@@gab5012 , yupp, this guy uses wrong technique with Hurricane, actually Hurricane is the the most powerful rubber (speed+spin), but you can't get enough power with those euro shots.
@@pongoholic2667 Yeah, well his technique isn't bad, but it's not suitable for chinese tacky rubbers or maybe even tacky rubbers in general. Also if you like blocking then stick with then just stick tensor rubbers.
Lol my coaches r both straight from China, so idk why my technique would be European. I just do whatever they tell me
I am pretty new to table tennis (3 months), but I really dont understand the spring technology they bring into rubbers, this speed is lost half way through the balls travel distance, is it not?
I can’t scientifically explain it. All I know is that the ball springs out of your rubber more compared with old style rubbers
They try to make everything more juicy to make money, thick sponge also better speed too. It is a combination game. Rule of thumb is more speed , less control, more control , less speed. Tacky and gripey top sheet more spin. Not tacky and gripey is anti- spin. Then short pips less spin sensitive, long pips reverse spin. Defense with thinner sponge for better control, Offense with thicker sponge ,for more attack. If you get a headache, go see a doctor. That why I quit bowling too. Single core, dual core, soft shell for oil, hard for dry lane. Different weight blocks, different drilling layouts. different oil pattern. As long as you buying, they are making. Life shouldn't that be that complicated. Three months in ER, I am out!
@@882828jc fyi, in sociology, the critical theorists are pretty into the idea of the paradox of choice, which is the problem you are describing.
What's your rating and the rating of the other guys? Thx
I updated the description section of the video with our ratings
This is all relative to the players' level. Advanced would choose D09C or H3N depending on their style, for intermediates Rakza Z would be much more preferable regardless of their style. It's a great stepping stone for an intermediate player before he upgrades either to 09 or to H3.
Maybe the Rakza Z is better on blades that have a harder outer plies so that the blade itself creates the trampoline effect. I use it on a Stige Offensive Classic and the flexibility of the blade is also magic with this combo because it creates speed. The Rakza Z works best on hard hits, so you need good strength to play with it. Also, a jack of all trades and master of none is fine. Vladimir Samsonov used to say that he always looked for a balanced racket that sits in the middle and can do as much as possible of what other equipment can do. I think this is a good strategy when you play experienced players that will not play to your strengths.
I found Rakza Z to be quite blade-selective. It was quite bad on limba 7-ply blades and worked really well with hinoki carbon blades.
@@sashbar I have switched to a different blade with similar characteristics, the Avalox P500, which is a classic blade for tacky forehand rubbers. So far, the Rakza Z seems to works well with it and the flexibility of the blade gives dwell with the tacky rubber instead of using blades with a softer outer ply wood and stiff composition. P500 has koto outer layers and I love the feeling you get with this setup. I think this is why you have this experience with 7 ply baldes ... its too stiff for the rakza z and will feel dead compared to a thin and flexible blade. Stiff 7 ply blades work better with rubbers that have more springiness to it, I think -- where the livelyhood comes from the rubber and not from the blade
@@z0uLess Flexible may work I guess, but I'm playing with a very stiff, soft hinoki Darker 7P-2A.Carbon. Hinoki wood has some trampoline effect, so RZ feels lively and softer than it is. Dwell is insane. The best thing about this combo is that it has gears, it is not bouncy in short game, very controlled, but when you hit hard and carbon kicks in, the throw gets lower, topspins get a very low penetrative arc and there's tons of spin. You need to put some power into it though. I have a hard flexible blade gathering dust (Nittaku Violin), so someday I may try it with RZ. (Probably not , as I don't really like Violin )))
@@sashbar Ah, cool. Ive heard a lot of good things about hinoki wood, but also that its rare. I am pretty happy with my setup, but I am unsure of what rubber to use for backhand. I am currently using Mark V 😄 ... I am thinking I should try Nittaku Fastarc C-1, since I like to have a lot of control on backhand
@@z0uLess Never played with C-1, but heard it's often used as a BH rubber. Also Rakza 7 is kind of a natural progression from Mark V. I played with R7/ Nittaku Acoustic on BH for a year, not bad as well.
can you review different zlc paddles? tb, mitzutani, zjk, innerforce
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Yes, the 09c can produce immense spin, if you hit it correctly. But on the other hand, if your contact isnt that good, it bounces of just fast, thus your opponent can counter easily. Hurrican DHS 3 on the other hand (boosted) let you do slower shots more easy, help with the short game and if you wanna increase the power, you can easily put more body weight into it. Especially if you play chinese fh, where you let your not bat side shoulder drop and rotate the full body into the shot (compair chinese fh method to the lets say german one, where they rely more on the underarm and wrist than on the body rotation). With the chinese method you're overall just more save and more complete as a player. Yes, Dignics 09c lets you hit insane shots from far behind the table sometime. But it also leads to many misses and blocks that go to far (especially amateur to semi proffesional level, where most youtube watchers are).
So for your average jimmy joe watching this exact video, i'd rather recoomend getting a boosted DHS3 or a Hurrican 8 (little more speed due to flexibel but tacky sheet). You'll feel more save, more in control and do ways more unforced errors, which in the end is what makes you win matches. Not the one BIG winner you hit from 3m behind the table!!
Thats my honnest take on the topic!
Now have a nice weekend guys. Stay back, relax and enjoy! 😍
Comparing again 09C with an unboosted H3... some people will never learn... Add 3 layers of Haifu booster on the H3 and you'll see it can be as fast as the 09C, and for a fraction of the price !
Is this true? Yes (price wise) if you use commercial-which I have found horrible over the years. But get a sheet of provincial or national version from TT1 and you are paying 75-100 USD per sheet.
@@savell234 Boosting makes a huge difference
You have to boost Hurricane 3 - don't pay for Provincial / National - just boost the base version into oblivion
A Provincial H3 is 30 bucks if you buy in China... But honestly most amateurs wont see much difference with the Commercial version (myself included)
It is not allowed in competition though even though at lower levels you are unlikely to get caught
Well it really suits your playing style.. Dignic09c is for you. Hmmm. .. But if an advanced player use that rakza Z and Neo..
Which rubber is faster than sriver with similar control?
I think Rozena is pretty good
You don't use the Lin Yun Ju super ZLC anymore? what is the reason for that? thanks
I do use the LYJ SZLC, I just reviewed these rubbers with a different blade
@@PandaPong OK, thanks for the answer
@@PandaPong can we get an update on how you're liking it so far and what dont you like etc?
@@johtodev I like the stiffness of the blade because it allows me to use short strokes to generate a lot of speed. It also lets me spin fairly well considering how stiff it is. It is a little hard to control because of the speed, but I got used to it
@@PandaPonghi, thanks a lot for the helpful videos.I wonder what rubber you use for forehand on the Lin jun yu super ZLC?
do you think D09C would would work a very stiff blades?
Yes it does, I used it on my Lin Yun-Ju SZLC and it’s great
@@PandaPong Do you boost the D09, it seems dead and when i watch "pro" it seems their d09c is much more lively
@@lilipop3209 no u don’t boost it
Hurricane 👍
what are you guy's ustta ratings?
Check out the video description
kaikan kitan catJAM
How was the Hurricane3N boosted? What hardness?
Sorry I’m not sure. I borrowed it from a friend
@@PandaPong Curious to know if possible. I think it should make a pretty big difference, 41 deg vs 39 deg, and when/how boosted/softened. I bounce between DHS rubbers... depending on what I do to them, I can get wildly different playing properties.
@@rmdec He said the rubber was boosted two months ago, so minimal boosting would remain; I try to play close to the table, and use boosted H3, and it has plenty of speed in close
@@scubscribe9752 It makes no sense to compare an unboosted Hurricane vs. tensor rubber
@@ravanpee1325 I seriously have no memory of ever watching or commenting on this video I don't know why I have a comment
How's the longevity of dignics 09c? Does it last long
Lasts about as long as hurricane I think. Depends on how hard you loop. Top sheet of Dignics dies faster than hurricane tho
@@PandaPong i see
Do you think it's worth the bucks to buy 09c for an amateur player?
Honestly no. Unless u know how to loop very well, u probably would be better off with other generic tensor rubbers
@@PandaPong i see
Thanks for your feedback
@@kaungsethtun3071 Try Xiom rubbers bro. Xiom X. worth every penny.
Jack of all trade ??
Sorry to say dear you shouldn't disrespect such a great rubber
I admire the hard-work you do during rubber testing
But do not say that rakza z is jack of all trades 🙏
09c FH and BH since the day it was available. Use to play hurricane neo national and provincial on FH. T64 then barracuda then D05 on backhand.
As a former tennis player you know i put so much energy into the ball but hurricane has always required perfect technique and more so when you are stretched or not in position. This is why d05 worked well but d09c was the game changer. Blade is key too! you put me on the dhs hurricane 5 and now, as you know, i play the 5x.
The downside of D09c serving requires more energy but its an adjustment like hurricane.
I can’t put enough power on my backhand to use dignics, so I’m sticking with Tenergy there. I don’t have the tennis power 🎾
@@PandaPong lol yeah i know you excel at taking time away with backhand.
mine is long 5x with 09c fh and fastarc g1 bh, the control and consistent are out of this world not the table
May I know the how long does your 09c last? how often do you/have to change it. I'm intending to use on my fh side but still figuring the balance between it's price and longevity since it is pricy.
Another thing I'd like to ask in addition is how's the difference in terms of longevity of 09c compare to H3 (either provincial/national BS)
Thanks in advance :)
bro the distorted hunter x hunter music in the background 😭
You should redo this video with Bluegrip C2 and dragongrip.
Rakza Z is much softer and cant be compared at all
I feel that hurricane 3 removes consistency for how much power you need to put into it, simply because the more you have to do yourself, the more variability it will produce, if that makes sense. I somewhat regret going for h3 neo unboosted to learn table tennis, but maybe I hit some developmental breakthrough that will make it worth it ... so far, I am sticking to my strategy in order to be consistent and not change equipment every two months (which is a trap that many people can fall into). I am four months into my table tennis journey now. Videos of me playing is on my channel if you want to review my progress (its really bad!). Thanks ;-)
Sorry but getting a Rubber that requires professional skills to properly use as a beginner is really stupid ... no idea who told you to get that one but like this it will take years for you to get on a proper level.
Played against a "good" beginner who also had that Hurricane Rubber and he couldn't create any spin in his serves at all because he was missing the propper movements .... using my soft rubber he could do it, not perfect but much better then with this.
I always recommend soft rubber for beginners or at least nothing super hard.
@@XYoukaiX I went back to soft rubber, but my serves was really good with H3. I actually think it taught me to spin because it was slow and I had to rely on spin to win games. I did get some bad habits with it tho, because it was so slow, my attempts at topspin would make me add force to the ball with my arm in addition to the force that is supposed to be added by rotating the body. If you want, I can upload a video demonstration of my serves. I have the video, but I dont want to leave it up on my channel so people can study my serves :P
ok, its up on my channel now. I will leave it up for a day or so.
@@XYoukaiX if you compare this video: th-cam.com/video/bGyMAG_nVtc/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=pong4life Ritvik Sinha (1514) vs Andrew Wu (1482) at ICC TT League on 8-6-2022 with some of the latest videos of mine where I play vs other people on my channel, I wonder what rating you would put my play on.
Soy un viejo jugador que estuvo federado al máximo nivel regional. Definitivamente no estoy de acuerdo en cuanto a las gomas blandas. Las gomas blandas son un cáncer para el tenis de mesa, solamente funcionan cuando los dos jugadores tienen un bajo nivel. La mejor goma para un principiante es H3 comercial porque obliga a desarrollar las técnicas en los golpes. Una vez aprendidas las técnicas el jugador podrá elegir entre las mejores gomas tensoras o tacki.
Las gomas blandas están locas cuando tu oponente tiene un cierto nivel, es como competir en ciclismo con una bicicleta de ruedas flexibles que se tuercen cuando imprimes potencia a los pedales.
What about the horrible short game when it comes to Dignics 09C?
your shoes seems slippery
Hurricane requires different skill sets to drive the balls, comparing the rubbers without talking about the techniques involved in playing them is moot.
Bottom line is curiosity will kill you. Marketing play game. The more you buy, the more they will screw you.
To me and most other reviews D09C is just high priced average rubber unless you are far from the table. Not much spin either. Hurricane is better. Dignics is not good for playing close to the table.
Sorry but paying almost 100$ for a single rubber is insane.
I never pay more then 40$ for a rubber never ever no matter how good it is.
09C is just to expensive. Thats it
RAKZA Z is it predictable and half the price
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Nice HunterXHunter reference at the beginning