Space Marines Ironstorm vs Tyranids Crusher Stampede. Warhammer 40k in 40 minutes battle
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We try the Ironstorm Spearhead with an armoured company of Ultramarines versus a Monster Mash of Tyranids. Tak test drives the Ironstorm Spearhead detachment for the first time with a list mostly comprised of dreadnoughts and tanks, including the Astraeus. Mubin has both Norns, the Emissary and Assimilator, in his Nidzilla Crusher Stampede list.
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Ironstorm Spearhead
Roboute Guilliman
Techmarine with Target Web Augury Enhancement
Brutalis Dreadnought
Ballistus Dreadnought
Ballistus Dreadnought
Redemptor Dreadnought
Invader ATV
Repulsor Executioner
Astreaus
Crusher Stampede
Hive Tyrant with Wings
Swarmlord
Neurotyrant
Tyrannofex
Trygon
Norn Emissary
Norn Assimilator
Screamer-killer
Screamer-killer
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The moment tyranids deployed that way and lost the initiative, the game was over.
I actually hate how mediocre the new crusher stampede rules are. You can tell GW was too afraid to make them even decent because of what happened last time.
This seems to be a pattern.
Don’t worry the First Company Detachment they didn’t even give an opportunity to be good. 🤣 it is a shame though, if they just added a few better stratagems to crusher stampede I think it could be a menace. Just hard to find that perfect balance.
Have you tried not being xenos scum?
I played as Tyranids vs my best friends Ultramarines the other day and my god Guilliman is lethal. He basically one shot my Norn Emissary in melee. Best thing about the game though was when my friend had an entire round of shooting a redemptor into a ripper swarm and whiffed on everything or I saved it
Girlyman really shouldnt do that, rolled really poorly on 4+ invuls then. I guess it is very swingy
Something similar happened to me but my buddy was playing bloodletter demons and he completely destroyed my swarmlord with his Scarbrand (Idk how to spell the model's name)
Yeah I played csm against my friend's space marines and I wounded him with 5 lascanons and he missed all 5 invuln saves
@noahhenri2258 just put a K instead of C and you're good
@@edgieststalker8141 thx
Saw that space marine list and there was never a chance nids were gonna do anything, space marine armour is just way to powerful for nids to try and take on
With a list full of anti monster heavy guns
It’s the best marine detachment vs the worst tyranids detachment, and the former is specialized in killing the latter… not a chance.
Would like to see some decent tyranids lists in the channel. It seems they are just playing meme armies vs competitive marine lists to get blasted :( I understand this channel is not competitive or anything but still feels a bit bad
@@91elpiris I agree. Nids never win on this channel because as you point out, its meme vs competitive and often the worst nid picks as well. "Lets use several Screamer killers and a Tyrannofex" - said no serious nid player since 10'th ed started.
I'm a serious nid player and run all of those exactly 😅 I also have however an Emmisary, haruspex, a carni squad with OoE for other monsters at the moment. It's the saturation that is important.
Also might I add, I've only lost 3 games in 10th (daemons, a super meta dark angels list and imperial knights pre nerf)
@@IzzysBuisness Then Im impressed, since you are nerfing yourself for no real reason but still winning stuff. Good for you. I don't go for "meta builds" myself, as I like to have fun with my lists and battles and not min-max everything. But I won't choose the worst units if there are other better options - and there are.
When I saw the astreus on the army list, I yelped out in joy
the big nid monsters wounding on 5s when reaching combat (lack of firepower compared to SM) hurts them. Considering they rely on melee to do damage really they struggle to get anything through.
Its alright for Guilman to be strength 14 and have a sword that does dev wounds but a tyranid model thats twice his size and costs about the same points no strength 9.
Nids are getting shat on rn, though it really doesn't help he was playing the objectively worst detachment. Pretty much anything but synaptic network is better for Tyijus than the detachment apparently made for it.
The biggest problem is nothing in there army other than screamer killer has anything above a 9 in strength. And sadly the norm and Swarmlord both have the same strength with I think is wild.
Very true. The army can struggle against armour, but has a field day with infantry of all types (in my experience). Both Norns have good shooting; Assimilator has solid melee. Heirodules are great, but all these are in the realm of 300 points. Hierophant is fantastic but a huge cost. Old One Eye is really our best melee damage dealer at 140.
That said, Zoanthropes put in work, and T-Fexes are TERRIFYING. Anything remotely competitive and I’m fielding both in force to back up my melee Battleline.
Tbh, I wasn’t excited to see Space Marines and Tyranids again but WOW did the new detachment rules make a fun game to watch ! You guys are killing it as usual. Thanks for the great 40k content. Still the best produced batreps on TH-cam!
This game was sadly decided the moment they rolled for first turn
Still, amazing battle
this game was sadly decided when choosing the crusher stampede detachment.. this game was sadly decided when choosing a Tyrannofex.. this game was sadly decided when choosing two screamer killer.. this game was sadly decided when choosing a swarmlord.. this game was sadly decided when choosing both norn..
everything about this tyranid list and plan was just "wrong", because sad truth is, tyranid monster JUST suck.. and the only "acceptable" monsters, Maleceptor and maybe haruspex, weren't even in the list.
Tyranids have non existing damage against armor, and are to slow to get that non existing damage into combat in the first place, even if going first.
@@leSmokySmokething is something similar to the nid list obliterated me (t sons)
@@ReadThisIfYourG3y sorry but this is next to impossible, Literally my best friend plays tson, and I play Tyranids as one of my main factions. and I play "good" monster lists comparred to this.
Tson is absolutly one of the best armies against this. Tson can just shoot these things of the table before they even reach you.
Given we played only one game with this matchup against a monster list and it was before the last dataslate update, and it might be more fair now. But tyranids monsters didn't change since then. Same as you saw here Tson can easily kill the three nearest models every turn easily and kill them and kite them all before they ever reach a valuable target.
Since then I played with monster against ironstorm, deathguard and even the new votann. all able to shoot every last monster to death before turn 5, even with 10 giant monster that are T11 you dont stand a chance. Maleceptors are the only thing that can survive reasonably well for the points, but sadly again dont do any damage in melee even when they get there..
and when I then play Vanguard or swarm I can not believe why I even bother making monsters work when I can literally do the same thing and be in my opponents face turn 1 and keep them occupied with SO many models turn after turn that I just win with a lead so great because my opponent literally is unable to play the game.
(I guess thats why I also play "weaker lists" like mosnters..)
I don't understand why we don't play this game like chess? One step for me, one step for you.
@@minitorum its a cool mode that you can just play with your friends, we tried it a couple of times and it is really fun
This was so comically predictable, that it hurts my xeno-loving soul.
I’ve lost every game to the bugs when I play the boys in blue
@@kefnettheuseless7627 Apparently, you just have to convince your Tyranid opponent(s) to bring an all-monster list while you bring an anti-monster list like this knucklehead. There's just no way Ironstorm Spearhead should lose to a 'nid CS.
It made me laugh that he even added a wall along the deployment edge to keep monsters from consolidating into him. It’s so lopsided and the worst part is I know a guy who always tries to do stuff like this haha never announce what you are playing to people like them!
I think that assimilation swarm can be a clever anti tank detachment as if you get your swarms into those tanks and infantry you can easily lock heavy’s in combat so no big bang bangs and if your lil guys get wrecked a lil ripper will respawn them (within rolls ofcourse) all I’ll say is the psychophage can be a very useful tool in a skirmish
In every one of these videos I've watched, the nids' never win😭
I don't believe I've seen Crusher Stampede win a game as of yet.
Crusher Stampede requires players to run Tyranids with 20 or less models, when they really rely on having more bodies than the opponent can feasibly shoot at/swing at
Because that detachment is hot garbage. Worst detachment in the codex.
It’s because no crusher stampede list online takes their best units- there should be 3x haruspex, old one eye with carnifexes and some special units to actually get max efficiency. Taking 2 screamer killers is just painful to a list
@@oscarluckin1625 Their army is like a lot of new or casual players, start with the launch box models and build up. I think only tournament players would consider 3 identical $80 models a good spend when there is so much variety available.
@@oscarluckin1625 Note that that OOE + fexes unit won't benefit from the detachment rule until OOE has 4 wounds left.........
Mubin such a great player sportmanship 100% very charicmatic but he nees to step up his game with Nyds. He play fun list while the other army its coming for blood. Tak clean game as always the guy is a pro.
Tak smiling means he is living in this moment, and I love it. 😊
My friend and I recreated this game with slightly different lists but still just using the big monsters and vehicles, and it was a ton of fun. I had the Nids and even went second but managed to pull out the win by like 88-80.
I'm happy about the sponsor and that free gift gave me that one astorath token I needed to get him level 9
Mubin and Tak are such a pleasure to watch, both are just having a good time
They are my two favourite players in the play on team.
IM BRAND NEW to 40k and these videos are epic! All these franchise players don’t realize what this channel did to get me into this game!
Mubin's smug, wordless stare at 17:40 had me rolling, what else can you do when your opponent fails a roll they knew for sure they'd make.
I'm glad you were entertained
this is the same problem I run into when I go monster mash nothing but shooting armies that kill me on turn on or 2. wish monsters had the surge ability like the gants
Carnifexes do. And they are better choices than Screamer Killers for lots of reasons. But they are still not very good for their points cost due to very low durability.
@@skalgrimfellaxe5796 T8 W9 sv2+ for 125 point is okay but sadly most anti tank are str 9-12 and when play 2 of em with old one eye are very tempting for target. so most of the time they not live through turn 2.
Some people already know this I imagine, but in case there are anybody who is just looking at Tyranids I want to gush about how ridiculously cool the Trygon's Biostatic Pulse ranged attack is.
This thing builds up static electricity between it chitinous plates as it digs underground, and discharges that electricity around itself, to a point where it evaporates creatures struck by it.
I love Tyranids for the adaptations, but this just seems so feasible that I love it lol, that's it, that's the comment lol, loving the game XD
I agree that as a fictional concept it is cool. In regard to the end comment about it being so feasible, well, no it’s complete and utter nonsense scientifically.
Serious question: How come there are 0 ruins on this board? Seems like 10th basically requires 4-8 pieces of full LOS blocking terrain (and with large monsters that means ruins) but often play on doesn't have any? Makes a big difference to first turn and who has more shooting. I'm actually asking if it's like a design choice for you guys or any other thoughts. Love the video! Love your plays!
we actually treated all buildings as Ruins and LoS blocking but we also still need space for the monsters to get around and it's hard to COMPLETELY high 9 big Tyranids so unfortunately some were going to get shot. Same goes with the SM, if anything they had LESS LoS blocking terrain in comparison
@@MubinTalati Ahh so the buildings block LOS like via their footprint? not just true LOS? Cool. That makes way more sense. Thanks!!
Yup, that's how we treated it! That's also a big thing when we create our tables, the players have input and agree on how to define the terrain that is there. So while on initial look it might seem like there was an open field we actually had very limited firing lanes. As the games go on and the bugs get closer though there's much less to hide behind
@@MubinTalati Exactly how we play here in LA. Perfect. Thanks for explaining!
The editing of the video and the positive energy of the players are both excellent.
After last week’s series of matches and the current angels narrative campaign, I was surprised to see a 40k in 40 min episode.
*Drinking game:*
*Take 1 shot every time JT says, **_"Boy, Howdy!"_*
*Take 2 shots every time JT says, **_"Slobber-knocker!"_*
Don't. You'll probably regret it. Bahahahaha
@@jtmcdowell2331 But it'll be fun getting there!
I love imagining what those orks on the gun are thinking as the fighting goes on behind them!
Im now convinced that the Astreus should be rammed into the midst of infantry, to then explode in beautiful glory
The production value is always on point
for those wondering about the japanese writing during Tak intro , it s read "oyasumi" and means goodnight
Awesome game! One of the best thematically games, so fun to watch. I really wished for this report of tank vs monster matchup!
Tak has such enjoyment over the lore and fluff of the Ultramarines that makes them always a joy to watch!
Very entertaining to watch these two players and hearing the background chatter and noises was awesome. Thanks, y'all!
"Killing squeezy was easy-peasy" 🤣
When do we get to see Mubin win a game? xD
I genuinely don't know how he is still so enthusiastic about all his games.
Yeah, I think nids have lost like the last 4 games straight. =(
@@genghisjon3951
Even when Mubin uses another army he still gets beat.
It's hard to watch at this point.
Because I build and bring lists I'll have fun playing win or lose
@@MubinTalati Hell yes Mubin, that's the spirit of Warhammer right there!
Screw Tak and his meta army, you're out here building fun stuff.
@@masterofblades8960 I recommend watching last Monday's Live stream of Thousand Sons vs FIrestorm and let me know what you think
Again JT with the sound effects! 😅😂 great game guys! Ultramarines for the win!
I noticed Tyranids are kind of getting their asses beaten in this edition, especially against Space Marines. In a lot of the videos I've seen Space Marines are able to just shit can Nids like there is no tomorrow xD.
Have you seen this one? th-cam.com/video/XbHE2E9gBpQ/w-d-xo.html
@@PlayOnTabletop Not yet.
Crusher seems to struggle, would love to see how the flipside goes for the Unending Swarm.
That was a pathetic showing from the Nids.
Crusher Stampede seems like a good way to be one half of a big game hunt.
Mubin can’t play
@@Somei05 true but this Mubin guy definitely has fun
@@MubinTalati it’s obvious that u didn’t 😂
This has been one of my favorite games on the channel. I loved the opening bit of the Tyrannofex blowing away the space marines.
Well, at least the tyranids looked cool on the table for as little as they were on it...
Couldn’t ask for a better birthday gift then you guys posting a tyranid game yesterday. It was amazing!
Damnit, Mubin. You're STILl making us look bad!! 🤕🤣
ok ok I get it. Unleash the full potential of the hive mind!
Love giant monsters vs giant robots, fun match every time.
As a Blood Angels player into the lore, melee armies have a hard time in 10th, so I feel the Tyranids pain here, hopefully 10th finds a way to make melee more balanced in terms of risk reward.
Great match either way, would love to see more Stormlance on the channel!
Tyranids are still so weak, man. Space Marines look strong against them so much.
That camera hiccup at 17:38 is ... Interesting. My heresy senses are tinglijg.
I was thinking the same thing.
I played my Ultramarines vs Nids and figured out I definitely need more armor. That Norn Emissary is no joke!
Sadly Invasion Fleet is a better monster mash detachment than Crusher Stampede by a MILE.
synaptic nexus
@@leSmokySmoke That too! I like the +1 to hit a lot, and the AoC strat is nice for the synapse boys. I do really like how the lethal hits from invasion fleet help us punch up into tanks though. Nexus can't do that as well.
As someone who's only experience with actual tabletop 40K is this channel, it feels like detachments like Crusher Stampede, that is so dependent on getting the first turn and getting close before they lose models before they can even literally do anything (thereby losing those points, especially considering ammunition count isn't a thing, so it isn't like the other team is using up a limited resource in exchange for eliminating those models before they can have any impact on the table), should have some kind of rule or ability that gives them a higher chance of winning initiative and going first.
Basically the only way you can do anything turn 1 as crusher stampede is making sure to take 2-3 exocrines. At least with that you can kill 1-2 infantry units
Some times I see plays that just make me confused. Why would mumen not zero that SIX damage melta on his main anti tank gun when he was the oath target. That single decision lost an insane amount of potential going onto turn 2-3
Not sure you saw HOW many guns were aimed at that poor Tyrannofex. My thought process was to keep it as a pocket to try and keep it alive on it's last legs. that ALSO gives it maximum bonus from Crusher Stampede rules. Tak knew what kind of a threat it was. That fex wasn't going to survive that turn 2 no matter what.
I agree. Even though he's explained his thoughts here, there's very few times canceling 6 damage isn't the play
@@MubinTalatihonesty you should’ve just won the game and saved everything smh/s
@@canadianbigmac3501omg you're so right. Why didn't I think of that! lol
If Tyranids cannot have more gaunts than Space Marines' bolter rounds, they are likely to lose.
And R.I.P. brave Techmarine, let the Omnisaiach save your soul in His eternal cloud!
Combat Cards! :D Thanks for promo code and as always, like goes for you before the video even starts!
Amazing production values guys, your bat reps are the best!
Just sitting down to watch this.
Initial assessment, I hope Tak's dice rolls are better than they've fared in the past.
We'll see if this ages well.
Seeing the cat/dog hair in some close ups makes me feel not so alone in my struggles with huskey hair lol
Lol Monster Mash VS Tank Time. What a beautiful sight. 🤩
Love the support for the Primaris Goofy Go-Kart.
I've been playing combat cards for years too. I have a very high ranked tyranids deck with the tervigon card as my leader
Tyranids do seem under-powered for a launch faction this early in the edition. I've only ever seen them win with swarming Objective control and lucky secondaries.
They lack a lot in fire power to down big and strong models, they seems pretty weak at dealing with tank / tough models
@@hellcyte5259our antitank units are sadly pretty hard to get ahold of right now. Haruspex is pretty good at it, but good luck finding one. They are right though, pretty much every nid unit needs a Strength boost, a point drop, some (screamer killer) need invulnerable saves or FNP, and most pre-codex changes need to be reversed in general.
Is that an Ork news channel and reporter at 28:54 ? thats awesome
Heartbreaking seing tyranids lose again and again… still! Really fun battle to watch as always!!
I've noticed in the current version that anytime I see Space marine vs Tyranids, Tyranids almost always lose xD.
@@thirstyserpent1079 yes! And it’s hounds demoralizing as a Tyranid player. I keep hearing that Tyranids are pretty weak when it comes to ranged battles, and We keep seing that on turns 1-2
@@matysepron1520 I think at the end of the day Tyranids need a more versatile list and need some shooting and melee with decent scoring options
Had to comment on that hand of dominion shot from bobby G from across the table. Dice tell stories, and that was epic
This is the best batrep formst on youtube. Theoretically. Sadly I find myself skipping a lot, because the matchups are often very onsided because of the lists. :/
Crusher stampede exists just so nidzilla has a snowballs chance vs orks
I'm glad that you don't normally 'sneak' ads into your videos.
We try to be up front when there is a sponsorship or something like that in the video.
Don't get me wrong, I love the show and the battle reports you propose. But every single time, Mubin plays Tyranids with everything on the line, loses the roll to start and loses the battle ... #Nidslivesmatter
The music slaps in this episode
Swarmord ripping Guilliman apart. How appropriate. Like son, like father, eh?
I watch this vid every now and then hoping crusher stampede magically gets better
After bingeing these matchups, I’m starting to realize how bad of a matchup this is for the tyranids 😂 good thing I’m rooting for space marines! 💪🏽
Invasion fleet is far superior that crusher stampede (the worst detachment for tyranids currently) the lethal hits and the FNP stratagem will make so much difference in this game.
The sound effects at the start of turn 3 made me laugh soo hard. Priceless!
This was Pacific Rim!😂 I love you guys❤
Love the fact that Brick Ironjaw was in the thick of the action again!
These battle reports are so good. Love the format, hope that other channels can learn from your fine example too. keep up the awesome work!
the only reason nids lose and lose and lose is that while lascannons went from s9 to s12 (keeping them at 3+ against light tanks and 4+ against heavy tanks) the venom cannon stayed at s9 making it impossible for them to keep up the only ranged weapons they have that can match it now are the focused witchfire which is mounted on a slow and fragile frame or the rupture cannon which is mounted on a very expensive frame and incredibly unreliable
The same thing happened to many of their weapons but the lascannon vs the venom cannon is the clearest most direct example (the bright lance, the eldar equivalent for example went up like the lascannon)
In return, nids got their melee antitank way stronger so they could take tanks out in melee, however their toughness didn't go up to match the other factions so they can't actually reach into engagement (for example in 9th a t7 redemptor dread got upgraded to t10, but a t7 carnifex went up only to t9)
In general the whole nid index and codex seems written by someone who chose to follow the 10th edition mantra of things being tougher while not getting stronger but every other index was written by people who just made everything stronger and also tougher
"killing squeezy was easy peasy"
vile 😂
Dang crusher stampede looks terrible in 10th. Hope we get some closer tyranid games in the future.
Interesting army list. I like the emissary model the most! But I think that whoever gets to start turn 1 is going to win. But let’s see if I’m right.
Kinda felt very one sided when there isnt much los blocking terrain.
There was plenty, its just hard to hide models that big
Don't get me wrong I'm VERY much looking forward too this match since I love tyranids and the new units are cool as heck...but I feel the large units only sort of strategy just does not work well for an army who's core strategy is pretty much drown them in numbers lol, regardless I'm looking forward to this one!
The result of the game pretty much confirms this as well.
@@cyberjonesy Yeah the general consensus seems to be the Crusher Stampede is one of the weaker detachment picks.
@@luketfer More like some of the nids monsters are obviously overcosted for what they do.
I literally just brought an Astraeus today! Very excited to see that a battlereport by you guys got released simultaneously that also features one!
Alright, as a guy that runs my Nids like I am playing Iron Hands, lets see if Crusher Stampede isn't complete dogshit.. I just dont see it being better than Invasion Fleet when I compare the Adaptations and Stratagems, hoping I learn something.
honestly most of my lists that I build (monster mash or not) seem to fall into either Synaptic Nexus or Invasion fleet atm if I'm looking for something a bit more on the competitive side. This list was mostly me wanting to take both Norns and friends :D
This was such an awesome game. I'd love to see more extreme games like this
The Tyranids player was lucky af lol😂
Throughly enjoyed Nick’s blessing noises.
Mooooobin ohhhh noessss 😂
NOT OLE SQUEEZY 😢😢😢
Poor Huggy and Squeezy. They just wanted cuddles
@@MubinTalati 😁😁😁
I wanna see a similar thing with guard vs orks only the heavy stuff
I really want to see space marine Ironstorm vs Tank Guard. Bunch of Leman Russ's like 2 Rogal Dorns, a shadowsword. Maybe some sentinels.
I feel like a single Falchion coulda wiped the floor with Mubin on this one
That tank army was so cool, but with the table so packed he coudn't hardly move his army at all.
Guys, very nice presentation of the batrep, gj!!
here is how to simply fix crusher stampede IF you want to change rulings:
Detachment rule:
Each time a TYRANIDS MONSTER model from your army makes an attack, add 1 to the Strength characteristic of that attack. If that model’s unit is below its Starting Strength, add 2 to the Strength characteristic of that attack instead.
explaination:
this will get ALOT of mediocre strength 9 weapons form tyranids up to that crucial S10, OFTEN giving that +1 to wound no matter what, but without it beeing guaranteed, but at least giving a bonus right from the start. and then, when damaged, which is already really hard to do, you get some weapons to S11 to REALLY be able to destroy most heavy armor target, what crusher stampede SHOULD be able to do. removing the below half condition completely since that just NEVER happens, if a model is below half strength it is literally already dead in 99% of all cases.
Also note that this will count towards melee AND shooting, to make some use of these (right now) terrible and useless venom cannons.
Pillowfisted Tyranids vs ultra-powered marines (who cost fewer points, despite being tougher and deadlier).
Tyranids over the last few editions have been balanced around having bad saves but high damage and AP. Now their saves are still bad but so is their damage and AP.
JT's commenting is absolutely phenomenal!
Well, that makes Tyranids - the headlining opponent for this edition - 0 for 4 on this channel.
I'm pretty sure long time Tyranid players are used to seeing that kind of record by now.
Yup. "Big, bad" 'Nids.
Can’t wait for the other Gauntlet videos!
first 5 mins into the video and i already knew the outcome
That game was awesome!!
The way Bobby G went down immediately was pretty bad for Tak
Warhammer 40k Pacific Rim edition, love it 🤘
it is honestly so sad to see tyranids monsters beeing so bad this edition across the board. I hope to fix them, they get massive points decreases on monsters to make them feel like the first "monster horde"" army, since they probably wont fix their strength issues. Where even if you loose a lot of models and dont do that much damage, you still can overwhelm your opponent with monsters.
Especially stuff like carnifexes which are so rediculously bad and overpriced should drop to like 90 pts per model and be propper tyranid elites, toxicrenes need to drop to like 120-130. Norns need to drop 20-30 points, assimilator even more so. Screamer killer need to drop to 140 at least, swarm lord and tyrants need to drop 40-50 pts, Tyrannofex needs to be at 150pts to even be worth considering.