@shaquille mccray Anyone who green lite that project needs to be banned from anything to do with entertainment for life. What a sick thing to make and promote. That thing was a pedophiles dream come true.
Netflix: Whats that? You want another terrible dragon ball remake? You got it! This time we will have Goku be a black transgender man and it will be all about his time in college trying to get the Asian man Gohan's dragon balls
@@mackielunkey2205 Passion or no passion, there are certain things that are just objectively a Bad Idea™, and "live action One Piece adaptation" gotta be at the very first spot in the list of media-related Bad Ideas™
At least with Netflix’s Death Note you can laugh at how bad it was and appreciate what they did with Ryuk, but with Cowboy Bepop it’s agonizing how much they’ve butchered.
really....you think the death note abortion was better then this? dude wtf drugs are you smoking i bet you can forgive Dragonball evolution because "atleast they tried"
@shaquille mccray They really messed with the Fullmetal Alchemist anime. That show back then was good and a few years later Brotherhood was a little alright; Like, I didn't know about Cuties until I found out the truth about that disgusting movie on TH-cam and how Netflix started to defend the movie and the one who came up with it.
Thing is, they made all these changes, without taking the consequences of these changes into account. For example, in the original, Jet was a guy whose old life fell apart, and is now searching the stars for a sense of purpose. In the live-action, they gave him purpose, as now he has a daughter. The benefit they saw was making Jet more vulnerable, and relatable as a character. The problem however, is that they didn’t change Jet’s aspirations, so now he’s basically a shitty father who abandoned his family.
I feel like they did it because, with Spike appearing so much older, it was hard to get that “team dad” aspect of his personality out there. So they made him a real dad. But that plus the shit with his ex makes it so he can’t be “a man for whom time stands still” anymore. Just destroys his backstory. Shakir is just a 10/10 Jet though so this ends up feeling less severe than some other changes, notably the clusterfuck that is Vicious and Julia. That scene with the council is frankly garbage.
I noticed this in Ed too. I know they only appeared for a brief moment, but the wrongness of the way the character is presented isn't even the fact that animated Ed's behavior inherently appears cringe in live action... I still think a live action version of this role could've been done well if it was handled carefully, with a better script and better directing. no, the problem is that animated Ed's behavior is charming, but live action Ed seems like they're fundamentally trying to be irritating on purpose. in the scene, Spike is lying on the ground in an alleyway, clearly not doing very well. and Ed is sitting there next to him, yelling in his face. first of all, animated Ed didn't generally yell... they often had a very soft, sing-songy vocal quality that emphasized that they were kind of spacey and floaty. but in the live action scene, there was even a shot that seemed to be from Spike's perspective with this like, fisheye lens distortion, so it really feels like Ed is all up in his personal space. they're too close, and too loud, yelling with this weird throaty guttural quality that doesn't match the character at all. Spike doesn't like it for obvious reasons... who would?? animated Ed is strange, sure... they have odd body language, they speak in strange phrases, and they do random things based on their own internal criteria that many people can't predict and aren't privy to. but Ed is rarely even all that high energy. instead they're more whimsical, meandering through life at their own pace, and they're often content to remain in the backgrounds of serious conversations, only popping in occasionally, or only when addressed. when they move weirdly, to me it reads as a form of stimming... moving their body in interesting ways because they're childlike, and they're bored, and this is how they entertain themselves. it feels cute and genuine... it only has to be interesting or satisfying to them, because it's not disruptive to anyone else. and Ed is never mean. they're committing to doing what they want to do, but they're also not hypocritical. it's a give and take, and they wouldn't impose themselves on another person either. Ed has real weird little kid energy. and while Ed might've somewhat aged out of the "little kid" category, that only adds to the notion that Ed's main priority is authenticity to themselves. they aren't self conscious about how they come across, and that lack of self consciousness is what they lend to the other characters whenever they're going through a bunch of adult bullshit. Ed is non judgemental, and simple, and that perspective can come off as very kind. so like... I don't think animated Cowboy Bebop's Ed would get down next to Spike's face and yell at him if he was passed out in an alley. I don't think the live action Ed is in character... I don't think they're being characterized as a kind enough person. and that is what I think begets the sense of cringe that live action Ed gives off.
Cartoonshi, Fun fact. The creator of Cowboy Bebop OUTRIGHT WARNED fans about this live action. When even the creator doesn't wanna have it's fanbase be involved in it, that's a sign of failure
It hilarious how Netflix, the same company that released and vehemently defended _Cuties,_ thinks it has the moral ground to stand on and lecture it's customer base for not liking the direction of a series reboot.
For me the most hypocritical aspect of all of this is how they vehemently defended their direction for Faye (and tbf I agree. I actually liked her character a lot aside from some of the backstory changes) but they turned Julia into a sexual object.... Julia was a badass... Not a sex kitten...
@@Ramsey276one Excuse me for a moment while I die from alcohol endured phenomena while watching Series 11 and 12 of Doctor Who which will make me die faster from even more intake of alcohol!
It wasn’t the worst thing I’ve seen it’s different but I don’t think it’s as bad as it could have been watched the first five episodes of the anime and it blows my mind that the entire live action show is an adaptation of the first five episodes with a lot more filler
Jet only has a kid for her to become a hostage. They took away Julia's agency, now needing a man to come save her. They turned Viscous into a whiny brat. And the side character one-off engineer lady is a better Faye Valentine than Faye Valentine. How does something this bad even get released?
Money and ESG. It's a scheme, really. No matter how crappy the product, Netflix and their benefactors always make money. Hollywood has been coasting off fumes since they've been using this model. The films almost always lose money, but the money keeps coming from higher up the chain.
No, she was originally supposed to be a boy. Get your facts. "Originally, Ed's character was based on a description of the series' music director and was going to be a dark-skinned boy. Edward was turned into a girl to even the gender ratio on the Bebop, which was, with Ed as a boy, three guys, and one girl. This original character design appears in session 5"
@@noizusagi6901 ...so...Ed was thought of as a boy at one point...before they actually made the show...then she was changed to a girl....soooo....she is a girl....
God, the writing in this show is embarrassing. Cowboy Bebop was Sci-fi Noir. It would have silly moments like the second episode where Spike would chase down a bounty only to get involved with the hunt for a dog, but for the most part, the series was very grounded and took itself seriously. It didn't have characters make jokes 24hrs a second because they would become real obnoxious quick. Also, who the hell thought the line "Nutbags" was a good idea? Are they that desperate for a meme?
The jokes were so bad almost Marvel level bad. You are black and male, the bidet is made to clean your ass, the fist joke etc. Its worse with John Cho being almost 50 saying them I feel like it can kind of work if it was a younger actor.
@@Ilovegrunge123 fun fact, the writer actually wrote a ton of Marvel films! Christopher Yost! That’s why the quippy humor is downright grating in this series.
But what did u expect? I think it's a freackin good adaptation considering all the other ones we had (anime in general) to this day. Fans need to chill out and learn to be patient and enjoy what they have dayum, i expected it to be bad from the beggining and i ended up enjoying it. (I will admit tho that the political side of this series is a bit disgusting, with all the feminist / lgbt / sugar thinking thing)
Mustafa Shakir absolutely killed it as Jet and was the only part of this whole thing I remotely enjoyed; although I respect John Cho's sincere attempt at Spike. It's a shame their performances were wasted here.
he even sounded like Jets voice actor in the og, there were moments where I almost unironically wonder if they dubbed Jets lines XD and i kinda do like John Cho's performance, not a completely perfect Spike but it really wasn't anything worth complaining about. its Vicious that feels off to me though, don't wanna call it the actors fault but this show missed the mark so bad I feel bad calling him Vicious, the original Vicious would walk into a scene, take control of it and usually leave a trail of high profile corpses, everyone would take him seriously, this Vicious? Hard to believe he's supposed to be Spikes rival, unless he's supposed to represent a bungling emotionally unstable & incompetent Spike? Many in the syndicate respected Spike, while equally fearing Vicious, now we get a Vicious being mocked & humiliated by stupid power grubbing crazy rivals? Many have said this before, it's like the maturity of writers in the west have devolved into children.
@@josephchandrasegaran276 ikr, she said it herself, and she looks like a little girl. Idk why ppl would still be confused, did they closes their eyes while watching the show or smthn, bc apparently these Trashflix writers blinked for 24 mins while each episode played
But BuT..!!! MuH rEprEseNtaTioN!!! Like god, youre not going to suddenly disappear from this world just because theres no fictional characters that looks like you.
This shitshow came out the same week as one of the best adult cartoons of the last few years that being Tear Along The Dotted Line (that is also on Netflix) which I absolutely recommend to watch since its being overlooked and it doesn't deserve that
I've said this once and I'll say it again: Ed in the series had vocals that are godsent. Aoi Tada and Melissa Fahn (especially Melissa Fahn) had some damn good pipes that manages to make Ed not cloyingly annoying. If this is not an indication of, if you have something that ain't broken, why fix it? So that you could waste money to create an inferior work?
I didn't hate the netflix series, it was fine. I understood where they were coming from as it wasn't a direct adaptation, but more of a show based on the anime. But Ed basically ruined all interested I had invested in it. They should have just not had Ed at all. I basically forgot Ed existed by episode 5 and didn't really care. You can't really take that anime character and make it real. Ed should have just been a background character, occasionally mentioned, like in the one episode where Ed gives them a tip.
Having rewatched the series: this. I saw the Ed clip and the performance was just bad. Ed was never loud or screaming her lines. In fact, aside from having a quirky speech pattern, she spoke plainly. She also only giggles and laughs when something genuinely makes her happy. Netflix seems to be under the impression that Ed is just zany and hyper 24/7.
its certainly easier when I dont have such a strong reference to judge it by, its an original piece doing its own thing, but I will say I have a few gripes where I couldn't understand some of the characters motivations as they almost seem contrived, Mel's interests in Jayce from day 1 seemed sus, or how Silco was so set on protecting Jinx when he had clearly no control over her but wasn't able to do anything helpful about her craziness, maybe lastly why is Caitlyn so abusive to Jayce, its like she will use him when he's convenient to her but dismissive or quick to accuse him of being patronizing when he's trying to look out for her but I guess this kind of relationship is more commonly seen in todays world.
The person playing Gren just hijacked the role to flaunt themselves. They already look like that when cameras were off and they used this shit show to give themselves attention when no one else gives a fuck who they are. I don't care if this sounds harsh but that's all this is; narcissism. Otherwise they'd put on a role that isn't just themselves like every other fucking actor but did they? NO. NO, THEY DID NOT.
@@eatatjoes6751 what are you talking about....Gren is a man and aside from his chest that he intentionally hides, he is not feminin or a drag queen. Inf act Faye, who is very much straight in the show, is attracted to him as a man. Why have a drag queen or woman play him...thats basically what they did and why it doesn't work.
People forget that between Buffy and Avengers there was this little show called FireFly... pre-Avengers Whedon is probably the only person who could've pulled LA Bebop. Nowadays, yeahh... its a bad joke.
Well, Firefly don't use lots of quips, and more grounded and serious most of the time, and also not into virtue signalling like Netflix these days Man, how do cultural politic get this worse?
This is why the Hollywood push towards adapting live action versions of popular anime, manga & even light/visual novels is never, ever going to work. Both on a cultural standpoint and a logistics standpoint, these live action adaptations CONSISTENTLY miss the entire point of what made the original adaptations so goddamned special! What Hollywood fails to understand is that you cannot take media that's made in a completely different hemisphere, and try to impose your own cultural values onto it and expect it to translate it well to your foreign lens. Not only that, but I'm getting really sad on how most American media in the past 15 to 20 years has essentially devolved into basic, simplistic and inoffensive writing, that would only make a simple-minded philistine be slightly interested. Having seen Netflix's version of Cowboy Bebop, I can say that they were definitely trying to make it into a Marvel movie, instead of being faithful to the original series. With constant swearing, dollar store one-liner quips and terrible action scenes that are masked with CGI, was anyone even remotely surprised that this turned out to be a disaster? Not to mention, that Spike himself barely did any martial arts at all! Which is actually integral to the character's development and state of mind. Spike practices "Jeet Kune Do", which is a martial art made by Bruce Lee himself. It translates PERFECTLY with the character, because Bruce Lee was all about "Using no way as way; having no limitation as limitation". Spike was a laid back character, that was without limitations, or restrictions. The man had no mental barriers. He was deeply philosophical & always left things to chance. Everything he did, caused him to wonder if that day, was going to be his last day. His famous line "whatever happens, happens", is the perfect embodiment of his martial art style and his personality. That's why you barely saw Spike being stressed out in the original show! I can go on about the inconsistencies of the other characters, but it just showcases why Hollywood cannot do complex films, or shows anymore. They will only take the surface level elements of a property and try their damndest to make a quick buck.
The cultral perspective's a big one here. The original was so rich in its meditation on existence it's almost pitiful that Netflix couldn't live up to it. The fact they've turned such a special into a poor man's Gaurdian of the galaxy, which is already mediocre, shows they don't know a damn thing of what makes the original so powerful. Also, the fact that it even exists is an embarrassment for western civilization as a whole. lol
Preach, my dude. You're right on the money with every point, particularly your second with the bit about how the culture translates. Culture has been held hostage at least for the last 20 years, thanks to the suits taking over all control from the creatives. These joyless projects, like the live action Bebop, are the products of people who don't even like what they're messing up. Every "creative team" in the west is handed a property they have to mangle before the can put their stamp on it, that stamp usually being some derivative crap inspired by comic book movies.
Also the weird double standard that it's totally okay to racebend Japanese characters/culture 😂 personally I don't care about things like that unless it's, like...a particularly strange casting choice ig, but the hypocrisy is staggering.
I'd have hated Ed as Nonbinary no joke. That was the first female character for me that was gendernonconforming and confident as a female (as in, correcting people that shes actually a girl). There just was never a nonbinary character here that could exist without taking from another group or be at the same time disgustingly insulting (see Gren). Just make a new show and add your diversity Bingo there.
Also Ed’s just a young girl, theres no reason why she would care about conforming to traditional gender roles. It kinda rubs me the wrong way when someone thinks a 12 year old is nonbinary
@@nivia-t6h There's nothing wrong with a 12 year old identifying themselves as nonbinary. Kids should be able to explore their gender, and sexual identify as much as those who are straight and.........cis (god dammit Twitter really butchered that word)
@@notsonegative1736 But it's wrong to make a character who was a girl in the OG, just non binary for "diversity". They should be making original non binary characters, not changing sexualities or genders of characters who already had an established gender and sexuality.
ed is canonically female. and even though i watched all 10 episodes of this horrible adaptation it wasnt until watching this video that i realized that was supposed to be Gren... ...i didnt even connect that it was supposed to be that character (i guess i missed them saying the name?) because it's literally not Gren.
I get your point about Ed, but it'd still be a mistake to portray her as Non-Binary. She's just androgenous. When someone mistakes her by a boy in the anime, she usually corrects the person and says she's a girl.
@@unapersona2220 I wouldn't mind gren beeing non binary if they kept the character Important to the story. But the best move would simply be creating a new character.
What's sad about some of the more recent attempts at live action adaptation of anime is that we've gotten some legit good adaptions in the past with movies like Speed Racer, Edge of Tomorrow, and Alita Battle Angel. And if they need an example of how live action anime fight scenes should be filmed look no further than Shang Chi, which felt like a live action anime itself with really fun action sequences. And let's not forget Pacific Rim, which was a big tribute to classic mecha anime.
@@invisanon Right there with you. You could tell those behind it knew what type of series Speed Racer was and wanted to go all out in making a wildly fun movie. Apparently there was a sequel planned, but after it failed in the box office it was rejected.
It just goes to show that the more successful attempts at a live-action anime from Hollywood, is when the original concepts of anime are adapted into a completely different and almost unique story. Look no further than The Matrix series and Edge of Tomorrow. These films do way better than this Netflix garbage!
@@invisanon Speed Racer, such a perfect, exciting, moving, funny, dramatic movie with great twists, wasn't bored or annoyed for a second. So sad, that it bombed.
I mean isn't that pretty much the case with these live action remakes of animation? It seems that most of the time the people responsible for them are just hipsters who don't actually care about the original work.
I felt like creators of netflix version read a few pages of Preacher by Ennis and thought " hey, they are swearing a lot, that,s why people like it, right? RIGHT?
Netflix did when they decided they wanted easy money by milking something that already exists, quality be damned. They don't need to worry about marketing when the name's already out there, and Bebop was a good fit because it was a mature story for adults- something which Netflix lacks.
Faye did NOT need to be literal ass kicker, especially needing to be introduced getting into a fight with Spike. Those two have NEVER actually fought in the show and with good reasons. They DON'T openingly pick a fighter that would come to blows. Faye never needed to throw a punch or pull a knife out. She doesn't even use knives. They also got her ship wrong.
Having her get into a physical fight with Spike as her introduction really takes away from the what is supposed to be you unique about her. Spike is a blunt instrument, but Faye is cunning. In Honky Tonk Women, she gets the better of Spike and the casino guys without firing a single bullet or throwing a single punch. She was cooler in that episode alone than the Netflix version could ever hope to be
Her actual ship the Red-Tail shows up during the rescue scene, it literally comes out of the top of a building when she says bye mom. It was blink & you miss it moments, no detail. That tells you they must of had a limited budget for FX. The very first ship she uses crashes.
I am so scared for one piece now. But it doesnt matter, One piece is popular enough that even if NetPiece fails its never gonna change a damn thing, but surely gonna hurt Odas feelings tho.
The Cowboy Bebop Subreddit is moderated by the same triggered casual normies because I got banned for speaking the exact honest opinions about why this show is trash
Ed in the Anime worked bc of the animation. But Ad (The Netflix Bebop Ed) is like a hyperactive kid on steroids... Her voice is also so ehh. Ed is my favorite character it reminds me of my cousin. *she got ADHD but is really smart. Ad reminds me of Spy kids. They could have made Ad a Person who can't really focus and change subjects while talking even when its in dangerous situations.
I think that kind of character could work in live action if done right. But you’d need someone Jim Carey or Robin Williams level acting skills. Heck, Matt Smith/David Tennant on Doctor Who as well
Ed could have worked if they didnt hire someone older then ed, the actress is like 16 yrs old to 18 yrs old, they should have hired a kid to make it more authentic cause that older actress has no idea how kids act or talk
@@matthewlugo2417 I think we have to watch out for hanging too much of the blame on the actor playing Ed that we’ve only seen for a couple seconds. It is the writing too. Instead of giving us an adaptation of Jamming With Ed, they just stuck Ed in this one weird scene. They similarly messed up Faye by not giving her the proper introduction she was given in the anime and sticking her in a story she wasn’t really supposed to be in
Spike is a genuinely decent guy. He is trying to do better in the anime. He plays the role of an apathetic asshat,but he also helps people jist because. A true rogue Samaritan
If there’s one positive thing I can say about this it’s that the set design and the music were top notch. On the other hand, They completely massacred my boy Vicious. Why do they make him so goofy? LMAO
I was ready give Netflix Bebop the benefit of the doubt, but man, by the (disgustingly gory) fourth episode, I think I'm ready to cash out. I agree with pretty much everything here. I gotta say, it's the writing in particular that kills this. It's so bad... The one thing I do have to say though, is that I wouldn't blame this stuff on the actors much. While I can't say I've seen them in their other roles in the past, it really doesn't seem to me like they're bad, it's just the script they're expected to deliver is fucking awful lol. Mustafa Shakir is a fucking standout character in this show though, that man IS Jet Black as far as I'm concerned and even the shite lines sound good coming from him lmao. What a cool guy
The whole black male line. Someone had to write that line, then someone had to direct an actor to say that line. It had to go through a series of people that had to say, "yeah, this is good."
Well gamers, it's happened and it's gone. It's over. No more Netboy Bopflix... I can feel my heart crack... Open like the piñata we're so gonna smash open over this shows shriveled corpse at its open casket funeral.
Cartoonshi: You need the balanace of faithful adaptation well also not butchering it by copying the anime Me: Yes, and Two good examples are Alita: Battle Angel and Alice in Borderland(to be fair I didn't watch Alice in Borderland but I know they have an anime and "People Actually Do Like the Live Action Adaptation")
This might be a hot take so I'll apologize in advance, but I'm not exactly on board with Jet's casting. I know that the actor did a comparatively good job to 99% of the cast, but that "Blackmail" scene felt really fucking gross. It's one thing to change an established character's race, but doing that, AND highlighting their new race as if they were like this in the original feels insulting. This might be kinda off topic but I rather have a show create diverse characters and adapt underrated diverse characters than change the race of other preexisting characters, they bear MUCH more fruit than the latter.
I think it's just that the actor wasn't great. He didn't project any sense of authority or hard boiled vibes. Tbf though, the writing for Jet was shit. Compared to the original, this Jet was a loser. The daughter angle could've been promising but it got old real fast.
Bro we all knew jet was black Coded along with Piccolo From dragon ball, Darwin from amazing world of gumball, And uhhh someone help me out here I'm blanking out.
Western shows think pointing a lot of swearing gore makes the shows better. It does sound childish because only a high school fanfic writer is edgy enough to use swears and demand more violence
I couldn't get past the first episode. I can tell there's passion for the source material and I love the casting for Spike, but the acting and what they did change from the original ruined it for me. Faye's introduction was probably my least favorite part, the opening theme was adapted extremely well though.
Idk about anyone else but I am just tired of seeing so many animated things put into live action for…you know I’m not actually sure why they do it at this point.
B/c ANIMATION AGE GHETTO: CARTOONS ARE FOR KIDS... Producers feel that the only way a well-executed animated story can be "taken seriously" is to have it badly-redone w/live actors.
I’m still giggling about the “I’m a somewhat mentally ill person myself” delivery haha. Also, what we should’ve learned from Netflix? ANIME ALMOST NEVER can be conveyed via live action haha. Specially when you mix in Netflix’s writers…
To be honest this adaptation proved to me that it can. Like it literally just needed better writers and some touch ups on a few scenes. But there's nothing that this show failed on that isn't correctable in live action. But yes this take is absolutely correct when mixed with Netflix's writers haha
America should leave Japanese entertainment alone, for starters. I enjoy stuff from Japan precisely because it is NOT like *contemporary* western media.
What was that whole forced feminist bs they did with Julia where her character does a complete 180 like she got possessed in the last episode and all of a sudden kills spike and tortures vicious cuz she wants to be a big bad crime boss out of nowhere? Lmao
In my country, Netflix added the original Cowboy Bebop to coincide with the release of the live-action. There are two equally possible reasons for this. 1) They were deluded into thinking that after everyone loved the live-action, it would drive more people to watch the original so they could make a lot of money off of the viewership numbers. Or, Option 2, the more likely one) They knew the live-action was going to fail so they added the original as a counterweight so that everyone angry at the new one would flock to the old one and they'd still make it out of the scenario financially unscathed. The reason I think the second one is the most probable is because the original anime for Cowboy Bebop has been the most popular show on Netflix for the past couple weeks, while everyone has dropped the new version.
I'm glad that I didn't watch Netflix's Cowboy Bebop live action. *I'd Just Rewatch Cannon Busters instead.* Cannon Busters is Better than Live action Cowboy Bebop. I'm not saying that as an opinion, saying it as fact. And It is sad that Netflix waste so much money on Live action anime adaptations that no one wants rather than give support to an anime that was created by a black man. I thought Netflix cares about diversity. That's of one my fears about the more anime becomes mainstream the more greedy Corporations makes live action that no one ask for but only for cash grabs. And Corporate Journalists websites like Polygon, CBR and infamously Vice will defend these soulless live action adaptations.
There’s actually some fan made live actions on TH-cam that’s miles better than what these big companies have done. When the passion is there, the product is always good
I finished the cowboy bepop live action and compared to the anime this isn’t that good but as it’s own thing it’s decent, I enjoyed watching it, I came in expecting something completely different from the anime so I didn’t have high expectations The two things that had me genuinely shocked was episode 10 and the changes they decided to make to the church scene and when they introduced gren, I’m hoping they do gren more justice in season 2 because they made a bad first impression Die hard fans are definitely not gonna like this show, but casuals probrably will
People forget that between Buffy and Avengers there was this little show called FireFly... pre-Avengers Whedon is probably the only person who could've pulled LA Bebop. Nowadays, yeahh... its a bad joke.
I’m planning on watching the Monkey King films whenever the live action One Piece gets made because I already love the original Journey to the West book, and since Just a Robot praises the Journey to the West films I plan on watching those whenever the live action One Piece film is made on Netflix.
I'm so glad ppl are waking up to the fact that u can't adapt anime to live action bc u need that animated medium for things to make sense. I have been saying this since 2012 when I found out they wanted to make a GITS live action and I was dragged for it back then. Glad ppl are starting to wake up
Mason Studios did Bebop justice. The problem isn't adapting anime into live action, it's doing it poorly and using creative staff who dislike what they're adapting. That's why all these old IP have to get "updated" before they're released- the writers want to leave their mark on something they don't even like. Usually they kill beloved characters just to rub it in to the old fans.
I think they made a huge mistake casting with Faye. And didn't have the balls to fire her when she started distorting the character. I think that's the limit behind the Director's mistakes with her, the rest really falls onto the "I'm doing this because it's my job, not because I like it" attitude the actress had. She blatantly didn't care about the show at all, so she distorted her character into whatever the fuck this is.
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agreed but it is amazingly well done!
Are going to talk about high guardian spice?
Nah keep at it.
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Can Netflix go 5 minutes without making horrible Anime Adaptations??!
Doubt it
Nope
No. The answer os a simple NO.
@shaquille mccray Anyone who green lite that project needs to be banned from anything to do with entertainment for life. What a sick thing to make and promote. That thing was a pedophiles dream come true.
Netflix: Whats that? You want another terrible dragon ball remake? You got it! This time we will have Goku be a black transgender man and it will be all about his time in college trying to get the Asian man Gohan's dragon balls
It gets worse knowing that Netflix wants to adapt One Piece. God help us all
Oh noooo….
I know the people behind it are super passionate about it, but I really don’t think it will work lol.
At least we've seen that Oda actually has some influence over it, Watanabe had nothing to do with this cowboy bebop live action
Just hope that they try to release every episode at once so that it's never finished. At least not in our lifespan.
@@mackielunkey2205 Passion or no passion, there are certain things that are just objectively a Bad Idea™, and "live action One Piece adaptation" gotta be at the very first spot in the list of media-related Bad Ideas™
"Flavorless as an Arby's meal."
To compare Arby's to Netboy Bopflix is an insult to Arby's.
Indeed.
At least at Arby's... (deep "commercial VO") "(they) HAVE THE MEATS". Also, curly fries.
At least you can choose a menu at Arby's
The flavors in the sauce
I'm tired of the Arby's hate smh
Why do people do this to Arby's
The food is so good (mostly the chicken but hey thats probably just me)
Can’t wait for the NGE live action remake, with shinji being played by chris pratt
He would work better as kaji
"Dance-off, bro!" [EVA's hips begin gyrating]
Gendo: Shinji, get in the robot
Chris Pratt Shinji: Let's-a go! Wa-hoo!
@@flamestoyershadowkill6400 true, but Chris Pratt and the Rock are just go-tos for main characters these days
It's not going to happen when they have their inferior redub.
At least with Netflix’s Death Note you can laugh at how bad it was and appreciate what they did with Ryuk, but with Cowboy Bepop it’s agonizing how much they’ve butchered.
@shaquille mccray That was actually Japan fault.
Faye es strang wamen who can do everything by herself and spike and jet are incompetent stupid men
really....you think the death note abortion was better then this?
dude wtf drugs are you smoking i bet you can forgive Dragonball evolution because "atleast they tried"
@shaquille mccray They really messed with the Fullmetal Alchemist anime. That show back then was good and a few years later Brotherhood was a little alright; Like, I didn't know about Cuties until I found out the truth about that disgusting movie on TH-cam and how Netflix started to defend the movie and the one who came up with it.
@@blairmiller9489 Even JAPAN couldn’t get it right!
Thing is, they made all these changes, without taking the consequences of these changes into account.
For example, in the original, Jet was a guy whose old life fell apart, and is now searching the stars for a sense of purpose. In the live-action, they gave him purpose, as now he has a daughter. The benefit they saw was making Jet more vulnerable, and relatable as a character. The problem however, is that they didn’t change Jet’s aspirations, so now he’s basically a shitty father who abandoned his family.
I feel like they did it because, with Spike appearing so much older, it was hard to get that “team dad” aspect of his personality out there. So they made him a real dad. But that plus the shit with his ex makes it so he can’t be “a man for whom time stands still” anymore. Just destroys his backstory.
Shakir is just a 10/10 Jet though so this ends up feeling less severe than some other changes, notably the clusterfuck that is Vicious and Julia. That scene with the council is frankly garbage.
And by being in contact with his ex wife totally butchered the reveal of how his relationship broke apart in the anime when he meets his ex.
I noticed this in Ed too. I know they only appeared for a brief moment, but the wrongness of the way the character is presented isn't even the fact that animated Ed's behavior inherently appears cringe in live action... I still think a live action version of this role could've been done well if it was handled carefully, with a better script and better directing. no, the problem is that animated Ed's behavior is charming, but live action Ed seems like they're fundamentally trying to be irritating on purpose.
in the scene, Spike is lying on the ground in an alleyway, clearly not doing very well. and Ed is sitting there next to him, yelling in his face. first of all, animated Ed didn't generally yell... they often had a very soft, sing-songy vocal quality that emphasized that they were kind of spacey and floaty. but in the live action scene, there was even a shot that seemed to be from Spike's perspective with this like, fisheye lens distortion, so it really feels like Ed is all up in his personal space. they're too close, and too loud, yelling with this weird throaty guttural quality that doesn't match the character at all. Spike doesn't like it for obvious reasons... who would??
animated Ed is strange, sure... they have odd body language, they speak in strange phrases, and they do random things based on their own internal criteria that many people can't predict and aren't privy to. but Ed is rarely even all that high energy. instead they're more whimsical, meandering through life at their own pace, and they're often content to remain in the backgrounds of serious conversations, only popping in occasionally, or only when addressed. when they move weirdly, to me it reads as a form of stimming... moving their body in interesting ways because they're childlike, and they're bored, and this is how they entertain themselves. it feels cute and genuine... it only has to be interesting or satisfying to them, because it's not disruptive to anyone else.
and Ed is never mean. they're committing to doing what they want to do, but they're also not hypocritical. it's a give and take, and they wouldn't impose themselves on another person either. Ed has real weird little kid energy. and while Ed might've somewhat aged out of the "little kid" category, that only adds to the notion that Ed's main priority is authenticity to themselves. they aren't self conscious about how they come across, and that lack of self consciousness is what they lend to the other characters whenever they're going through a bunch of adult bullshit. Ed is non judgemental, and simple, and that perspective can come off as very kind.
so like... I don't think animated Cowboy Bebop's Ed would get down next to Spike's face and yell at him if he was passed out in an alley. I don't think the live action Ed is in character... I don't think they're being characterized as a kind enough person. and that is what I think begets the sense of cringe that live action Ed gives off.
Cartoonshi, Fun fact.
The creator of Cowboy Bebop OUTRIGHT WARNED fans about this live action.
When even the creator doesn't wanna have it's fanbase be involved in it, that's a sign of failure
Liar.
I wanna see this lol
@@Ukaran 嘘じゃない
Where and when did they do that?
He was right. Oh he was so right
It hilarious how Netflix, the same company that released and vehemently defended _Cuties,_ thinks it has the moral ground to stand on and lecture it's customer base for not liking the direction of a series reboot.
literally forgot that cuties exists
Well. Between their high ESG score, and subscribers still giving in, they got endless wealth.
I mean I’d have guessed a bunch of closet pedophiles wanted to destroy something as pure as cowboy bepo lol.
@UClAaysdl53yMz69E-jJBptQ imagine thinking than morality and purity ever existed in internet. Short and straightforward answer to you fucker: *no*.
For me the most hypocritical aspect of all of this is how they vehemently defended their direction for Faye (and tbf I agree. I actually liked her character a lot aside from some of the backstory changes) but they turned Julia into a sexual object.... Julia was a badass... Not a sex kitten...
That nutbags line being delivered not once but twice is hyperpain
That bit was so disconcerting, it was... welp, nutbags.
I'll see myself out
I tought Netflix had already learned it's lesson after that Death Note live action movie.
Sequel in the works
THRY DIDN’T
@@Ramsey276one A sequel? Really?
@@TheDigitalApple there’s articles
@@Ramsey276one Excuse me for a moment while I die from alcohol endured phenomena while watching Series 11 and 12 of Doctor Who which will make me die faster from even more intake of alcohol!
Yeah, I thought they did!
Imagine this being your first exposure to Cowboy Bebop... Ouch...
Damn it was mine... I thought it was pretty good and had a good time.
@@venandisicarius32 watch the anime, you'll like it
@@venandisicarius32 I’m sorry you have such bad taste bro
@@venandisicarius32 you poor poor thing
It wasn’t the worst thing I’ve seen it’s different but I don’t think it’s as bad as it could have been watched the first five episodes of the anime and it blows my mind that the entire live action show is an adaptation of the first five episodes with a lot more filler
Jet only has a kid for her to become a hostage. They took away Julia's agency, now needing a man to come save her. They turned Viscous into a whiny brat. And the side character one-off engineer lady is a better Faye Valentine than Faye Valentine. How does something this bad even get released?
@@makeitthrough_ The Adventures of Spoke Spangles, Faux Clementine, Jet Black Male, and Radical Ehhhhhdward
Money and ESG. It's a scheme, really. No matter how crappy the product, Netflix and their benefactors always make money. Hollywood has been coasting off fumes since they've been using this model. The films almost always lose money, but the money keeps coming from higher up the chain.
@@SaltyCalhoun That's perfect.
Ed is and was always a girl, she even said so herself in the movie.
"Ed's not a little boy, Ed's a little girl."
No, she was originally supposed to be a boy. Get your facts.
"Originally, Ed's character was based on a description of the series' music director and was going to be a dark-skinned boy. Edward was turned into a girl to even the gender ratio on the Bebop, which was, with Ed as a boy, three guys, and one girl. This original character design appears in session 5"
@@noizusagi6901 And Ed is still a girl.
@@cominder64 lol was a boy at first. 🙃
@@noizusagi6901 ...so...Ed was thought of as a boy at one point...before they actually made the show...then she was changed to a girl....soooo....she is a girl....
God, the writing in this show is embarrassing.
Cowboy Bebop was Sci-fi Noir. It would have silly moments like the second episode where Spike would chase down a bounty only to get involved with the hunt for a dog, but for the most part, the series was very grounded and took itself seriously.
It didn't have characters make jokes 24hrs a second because they would become real obnoxious quick.
Also, who the hell thought the line "Nutbags" was a good idea? Are they that desperate for a meme?
The jokes were so bad almost Marvel level bad. You are black and male, the bidet is made to clean your ass, the fist joke etc. Its worse with John Cho being almost 50 saying them I feel like it can kind of work if it was a younger actor.
Heh, “Coyboy”
Good points, though.
I'm loving all the TH-cam commenters commenting on the bad writing
@@Ilovegrunge123 fun fact, the writer actually wrote a ton of Marvel films! Christopher Yost! That’s why the quippy humor is downright grating in this series.
But what did u expect? I think it's a freackin good adaptation considering all the other ones we had (anime in general) to this day. Fans need to chill out and learn to be patient and enjoy what they have dayum, i expected it to be bad from the beggining and i ended up enjoying it. (I will admit tho that the political side of this series is a bit disgusting, with all the feminist / lgbt / sugar thinking thing)
Mustafa Shakir absolutely killed it as Jet and was the only part of this whole thing I remotely enjoyed; although I respect John Cho's sincere attempt at Spike.
It's a shame their performances were wasted here.
Shakir????
Oh WOW
XD
He's was the best part, he even sounded like Jet.
he even sounded like Jets voice actor in the og, there were moments where I almost unironically wonder if they dubbed Jets lines XD
and i kinda do like John Cho's performance, not a completely perfect Spike but it really wasn't anything worth complaining about.
its Vicious that feels off to me though, don't wanna call it the actors fault but this show missed the mark so bad I feel bad calling him Vicious, the original Vicious would walk into a scene, take control of it and usually leave a trail of high profile corpses, everyone would take him seriously, this Vicious? Hard to believe he's supposed to be Spikes rival, unless he's supposed to represent a bungling emotionally unstable & incompetent Spike? Many in the syndicate respected Spike, while equally fearing Vicious, now we get a Vicious being mocked & humiliated by stupid power grubbing crazy rivals? Many have said this before, it's like the maturity of writers in the west have devolved into children.
The One Piece adaptation is gonna be like if that Ed scene was lengthened to an entire show.
🤢
Also Ed said she's a girl
Yeah, I don't get why people are saying she's non-binary. When watching the show I always knew she was a girl because it was explained.
@@josephchandrasegaran276 ikr, she said it herself, and she looks like a little girl. Idk why ppl would still be confused, did they closes their eyes while watching the show or smthn, bc apparently these Trashflix writers blinked for 24 mins while each episode played
Ye just look at her eyelashes
faye said it at the end of ed's first episode, and ed later said it in the movie. 2 occasions I remember off the top of my head.
But BuT..!!! MuH rEprEseNtaTioN!!! Like god, youre not going to suddenly disappear from this world just because theres no fictional characters that looks like you.
The cgi in this film is palpable to spykids
Edit: speaking of spykids, Ed in this show looks like a spykids OC that Netflix ripped off.
That's insulting, spykids atleast had passion behind it.
Spy kids was better, it had a soul behind it, this is just some fat cat Netflix executives looking to make a few bucks off fans of the show
This shitshow came out the same week as one of the best adult cartoons of the last few years that being Tear Along The Dotted Line (that is also on Netflix) which I absolutely recommend to watch since its being overlooked and it doesn't deserve that
ill give it a watch and ill see
Man, I started that show yesterday and I loved it. There's even an Evangelion easter egg in the very first episode
I've said this once and I'll say it again: Ed in the series had vocals that are godsent. Aoi Tada and Melissa Fahn (especially Melissa Fahn) had some damn good pipes that manages to make Ed not cloyingly annoying.
If this is not an indication of, if you have something that ain't broken, why fix it? So that you could waste money to create an inferior work?
I didn't hate the netflix series, it was fine. I understood where they were coming from as it wasn't a direct adaptation, but more of a show based on the anime. But Ed basically ruined all interested I had invested in it. They should have just not had Ed at all. I basically forgot Ed existed by episode 5 and didn't really care. You can't really take that anime character and make it real. Ed should have just been a background character, occasionally mentioned, like in the one episode where Ed gives them a tip.
Having rewatched the series: this. I saw the Ed clip and the performance was just bad. Ed was never loud or screaming her lines. In fact, aside from having a quirky speech pattern, she spoke plainly. She also only giggles and laughs when something genuinely makes her happy. Netflix seems to be under the impression that Ed is just zany and hyper 24/7.
Melissa Fahn is literally my favorite voice actress of all time, her voice is sound platinum.
Can't wait for Netflix to come for Evangelion next. Again.
Netflix Naruto
Netflix One Piece
Netflix Yu-Gi-Oh!
Netflix Yu Yu Hakusho
Netflix Inuyasha
Netflix Gundam Wing
Netflix Hellsing
A dark future
Again???
Ahah I want to see them TRY to understand the original
"Trees? Are you serious? That is NUTBAGS!"
*Seinfeld Bass guitar goes BEWWWWWWWW BABOOOOOOOOO*
Moral of the story: You’re better off watching Arcane.
@@oriandthesleepytime I know right? It looked so dumb. And what’s worse is that people watch it more than Arcane.
its certainly easier when I dont have such a strong reference to judge it by, its an original piece doing its own thing, but I will say I have a few gripes where I couldn't understand some of the characters motivations as they almost seem contrived, Mel's interests in Jayce from day 1 seemed sus, or how Silco was so set on protecting Jinx when he had clearly no control over her but wasn't able to do anything helpful about her craziness, maybe lastly why is Caitlyn so abusive to Jayce, its like she will use him when he's convenient to her but dismissive or quick to accuse him of being patronizing when he's trying to look out for her but I guess this kind of relationship is more commonly seen in todays world.
The person playing Gren just hijacked the role to flaunt themselves. They already look like that when cameras were off and they used this shit show to give themselves attention when no one else gives a fuck who they are.
I don't care if this sounds harsh but that's all this is; narcissism. Otherwise they'd put on a role that isn't just themselves like every other fucking actor but did they? NO. NO, THEY DID NOT.
Hell, I just realized how much of a brilliant idea they wasted by casting whoever they did to play Gren instead of a drag queen or a woman.
@@eatatjoes6751 He's supposed to be a man.
Mason Alexander 100% does not know his character
@@eatatjoes6751 what are you talking about....Gren is a man and aside from his chest that he intentionally hides, he is not feminin or a drag queen. Inf act Faye, who is very much straight in the show, is attracted to him as a man. Why have a drag queen or woman play him...thats basically what they did and why it doesn't work.
"Sounds like blackmail"
"Damn right it is because you are black and you are male" one of the most ridiculous lines it makes me laugh just hearing it
This show could be best summed up as, “Cowboy Bebop: Directed by Joss Whedon”
People forget that between Buffy and Avengers there was this little show called FireFly... pre-Avengers Whedon is probably the only person who could've pulled LA Bebop. Nowadays, yeahh... its a bad joke.
Well, Firefly don't use lots of quips, and more grounded and serious most of the time, and also not into virtue signalling like Netflix these days
Man, how do cultural politic get this worse?
@@baburik Dr. Horrible too.
“Cowboy Bebop: Directed by Joss Whedon”
That's Firefly and this is an insult to compare such a brillant show to NCB.
@@baburik Firefly, ah so nostalgic
This is why the Hollywood push towards adapting live action versions of popular anime, manga & even light/visual novels is never, ever going to work. Both on a cultural standpoint and a logistics standpoint, these live action adaptations CONSISTENTLY miss the entire point of what made the original adaptations so goddamned special!
What Hollywood fails to understand is that you cannot take media that's made in a completely different hemisphere, and try to impose your own cultural values onto it and expect it to translate it well to your foreign lens. Not only that, but I'm getting really sad on how most American media in the past 15 to 20 years has essentially devolved into basic, simplistic and inoffensive writing, that would only make a simple-minded philistine be slightly interested. Having seen Netflix's version of Cowboy Bebop, I can say that they were definitely trying to make it into a Marvel movie, instead of being faithful to the original series. With constant swearing, dollar store one-liner quips and terrible action scenes that are masked with CGI, was anyone even remotely surprised that this turned out to be a disaster?
Not to mention, that Spike himself barely did any martial arts at all! Which is actually integral to the character's development and state of mind. Spike practices "Jeet Kune Do", which is a martial art made by Bruce Lee himself. It translates PERFECTLY with the character, because Bruce Lee was all about "Using no way as way; having no limitation as limitation". Spike was a laid back character, that was without limitations, or restrictions. The man had no mental barriers. He was deeply philosophical & always left things to chance. Everything he did, caused him to wonder if that day, was going to be his last day. His famous line "whatever happens, happens", is the perfect embodiment of his martial art style and his personality. That's why you barely saw Spike being stressed out in the original show! I can go on about the inconsistencies of the other characters, but it just showcases why Hollywood cannot do complex films, or shows anymore. They will only take the surface level elements of a property and try their damndest to make a quick buck.
The cultral perspective's a big one here. The original was so rich in its meditation on existence it's almost pitiful that Netflix couldn't live up to it. The fact they've turned such a special into a poor man's Gaurdian of the galaxy, which is already mediocre, shows they don't know a damn thing of what makes the original so powerful. Also, the fact that it even exists is an embarrassment for western civilization as a whole. lol
Preach, my dude. You're right on the money with every point, particularly your second with the bit about how the culture translates. Culture has been held hostage at least for the last 20 years, thanks to the suits taking over all control from the creatives. These joyless projects, like the live action Bebop, are the products of people who don't even like what they're messing up. Every "creative team" in the west is handed a property they have to mangle before the can put their stamp on it, that stamp usually being some derivative crap inspired by comic book movies.
Bear in mind that Netflix is mostly a distribution company and aren't involved with production in most cases.
Also the weird double standard that it's totally okay to racebend Japanese characters/culture 😂 personally I don't care about things like that unless it's, like...a particularly strange casting choice ig, but the hypocrisy is staggering.
Woke is corporatize bigotry.
I'd have hated Ed as Nonbinary no joke. That was the first female character for me that was gendernonconforming and confident as a female (as in, correcting people that shes actually a girl). There just was never a nonbinary character here that could exist without taking from another group or be at the same time disgustingly insulting (see Gren). Just make a new show and add your diversity Bingo there.
You guys don't need to use pseudoscience words so much lol , ed was just a girl who got mistaken for a boy , that it
Also Ed’s just a young girl, theres no reason why she would care about conforming to traditional gender roles. It kinda rubs me the wrong way when someone thinks a 12 year old is nonbinary
Don't worry, Ed is a girl in the anime, she even said so. There is a scene in the anime where she said: I'm not a boy, I'm a girl.
@@nivia-t6h There's nothing wrong with a 12 year old identifying themselves as nonbinary. Kids should be able to explore their gender, and sexual identify as much as those who are straight and.........cis (god dammit Twitter really butchered that word)
@@notsonegative1736
But it's wrong to make a character who was a girl in the OG, just non binary for "diversity". They should be making original non binary characters, not changing sexualities or genders of characters who already had an established gender and sexuality.
ed is canonically female.
and even though i watched all 10 episodes of this horrible adaptation it wasnt until watching this video that i realized that was supposed to be Gren...
...i didnt even connect that it was supposed to be that character (i guess i missed them saying the name?) because it's literally not Gren.
If that's the case then they had no good reason to change anything then
You should brutally review that terrible death note live action movie.
just watch E;Rs review it completely blows that shit out
@@ThatAllSeeingEye And that person....IS?
@@SetSeth-yl6ke Look him up on youtube, channel name is E;R
@@ThatAllSeeingEye Wait like his legit channel name is E;R?
@@SetSeth-yl6ke yes, his channel is named e;r
I get your point about Ed, but it'd still be a mistake to portray her as Non-Binary. She's just androgenous. When someone mistakes her by a boy in the anime, she usually corrects the person and says she's a girl.
True, but if they wanted to have a non binary character, Ed would've been a better option than making Gren like that
@@unapersona2220 I wouldn't mind gren beeing non binary if they kept the character Important to the story. But the best move would simply be creating a new character.
What's sad about some of the more recent attempts at live action adaptation of anime is that we've gotten some legit good adaptions in the past with movies like Speed Racer, Edge of Tomorrow, and Alita Battle Angel. And if they need an example of how live action anime fight scenes should be filmed look no further than Shang Chi, which felt like a live action anime itself with really fun action sequences. And let's not forget Pacific Rim, which was a big tribute to classic mecha anime.
God I love Speed Racer. I'd be on a hill defending it til the day I die.
@@invisanon Right there with you. You could tell those behind it knew what type of series Speed Racer was and wanted to go all out in making a wildly fun movie. Apparently there was a sequel planned, but after it failed in the box office it was rejected.
It just goes to show that the more successful attempts at a live-action anime from Hollywood, is when the original concepts of anime are adapted into a completely different and almost unique story. Look no further than The Matrix series and Edge of Tomorrow. These films do way better than this Netflix garbage!
@@invisanon Speed Racer, such a perfect, exciting, moving, funny, dramatic movie with great twists, wasn't bored or annoyed for a second. So sad, that it bombed.
@@invisanon me too. Such an underrated movie and anime
You know who enjoys this remake? People who haven't seen the anime because they were too "grown-up" at the time to be into 'cartoons".
I mean isn't that pretty much the case with these live action remakes of animation? It seems that most of the time the people responsible for them are just hipsters who don't actually care about the original work.
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Finally, someone breaking down how awful the dialogue was. It physically painful to hear. So much swearing, so little substance.
I felt like creators of netflix version read a few pages of Preacher by Ennis and thought " hey, they are swearing a lot, that,s why people like it, right? RIGHT?
There is one question that sums up everything about this live action remake
WHO THE F*** ASKED FOR THIS!?
Yeah, that's what I'd like to know.
questions science still can't anwer
Netflix did when they decided they wanted easy money by milking something that already exists, quality be damned. They don't need to worry about marketing when the name's already out there, and Bebop was a good fit because it was a mature story for adults- something which Netflix lacks.
Considering how cancel hungry twitter is that " black and a man," comment I am shocked didn't cause a shitstorm on twitter.
Believe me if the 'man' was replaced with 'woman' I reckon Twitter will be storming for sure. This people have know consistent morals.
Twitter shouldn't exist
everyone on twitter laughed about it though
bc they are pleased with the trash this show is and are the same ppl who call anime "pRobLeMaTiC"
Faye did NOT need to be literal ass kicker, especially needing to be introduced getting into a fight with Spike. Those two have NEVER actually fought in the show and with good reasons. They DON'T openingly pick a fighter that would come to blows. Faye never needed to throw a punch or pull a knife out. She doesn't even use knives. They also got her ship wrong.
Faye also immediately joins the crew and sticks with it, in the anime she dips in and out before committing
Having her get into a physical fight with Spike as her introduction really takes away from the what is supposed to be you unique about her. Spike is a blunt instrument, but Faye is cunning. In Honky Tonk Women, she gets the better of Spike and the casino guys without firing a single bullet or throwing a single punch. She was cooler in that episode alone than the Netflix version could ever hope to be
Her actual ship the Red-Tail shows up during the rescue scene, it literally comes out of the top of a building when she says bye mom. It was blink & you miss it moments, no detail. That tells you they must of had a limited budget for FX. The very first ship she uses crashes.
It's about family. That's what's so powerful about it.
@@TheJadedJames "b-but muh REAL strong female character just punches shit and never needs to figure things out" 😑 it's so tiresome
I am so scared for one piece now. But it doesnt matter, One piece is popular enough that even if NetPiece fails its never gonna change a damn thing, but surely gonna hurt Odas feelings tho.
One plix is goimg yo be so bad, if they couldn't adapt bebop i don't see how something as wacky as op will work
Glad we now live on the timeline where OPLA is actually alright
The Cowboy Bebop Subreddit is moderated by the same triggered casual
normies because I got banned for speaking the exact honest opinions
about why this show is trash
Ed in the Anime worked bc of the animation. But Ad (The Netflix Bebop Ed) is like a hyperactive kid on steroids... Her voice is also so ehh.
Ed is my favorite character it reminds me of my cousin. *she got ADHD but is really smart. Ad reminds me of Spy kids.
They could have made Ad a Person who can't really focus and change subjects while talking even when its in dangerous situations.
I think that kind of character could work in live action if done right. But you’d need someone Jim Carey or Robin Williams level acting skills. Heck, Matt Smith/David Tennant on Doctor Who as well
Ed could have worked if they didnt hire someone older then ed, the actress is like 16 yrs old to 18 yrs old, they should have hired a kid to make it more authentic cause that older actress has no idea how kids act or talk
@@matthewlugo2417 I think we have to watch out for hanging too much of the blame on the actor playing Ed that we’ve only seen for a couple seconds. It is the writing too. Instead of giving us an adaptation of Jamming With Ed, they just stuck Ed in this one weird scene. They similarly messed up Faye by not giving her the proper introduction she was given in the anime and sticking her in a story she wasn’t really supposed to be in
Spike is a genuinely decent guy. He is trying to do better in the anime. He plays the role of an apathetic asshat,but he also helps people jist because. A true rogue Samaritan
"There is no cowboy bebop live action in ba sing se"
Ed looks unmistakably like a girl to me.
Ed is a girl in the show.
If there’s one positive thing I can say about this it’s that the set design and the music were top notch. On the other hand, They completely massacred my boy Vicious. Why do they make him so goofy? LMAO
Some sets looked ok
Some didn’t look
Too good.
Whenever I see him I think of the godfather is whatever with the “LOOK WHAT THEY DID TO MY BOY”
Getting a live adaption from an American company is pretty much a death sentence for anime.
Japanese adaptations of anime also suck and they are cheap on top of that. Live action for anime is not a very good idea in general
Stop being mean
That’s not true
Agree with the sentiment but Ed is a self admitted girl.
I was ready give Netflix Bebop the benefit of the doubt, but man, by the (disgustingly gory) fourth episode, I think I'm ready to cash out. I agree with pretty much everything here. I gotta say, it's the writing in particular that kills this. It's so bad...
The one thing I do have to say though, is that I wouldn't blame this stuff on the actors much. While I can't say I've seen them in their other roles in the past, it really doesn't seem to me like they're bad, it's just the script they're expected to deliver is fucking awful lol. Mustafa Shakir is a fucking standout character in this show though, that man IS Jet Black as far as I'm concerned and even the shite lines sound good coming from him lmao. What a cool guy
The whole black male line. Someone had to write that line, then someone had to direct an actor to say that line. It had to go through a series of people that had to say, "yeah, this is good."
"How many times are we gonna have to teach you this lesson, old man!?" literally all of us to netflix
Komi-San is a blessing
Well gamers, it's happened and it's gone. It's over.
No more Netboy Bopflix...
I can feel my heart crack...
Open like the piñata we're so gonna smash open over this shows shriveled corpse at its open casket funeral.
Cartoonshi: You need the balanace of faithful adaptation well also not butchering it by copying the anime
Me: Yes, and Two good examples are Alita: Battle Angel and Alice in Borderland(to be fair I didn't watch Alice in Borderland but I know they have an anime and "People Actually Do Like the Live Action Adaptation")
Alita was shit, though
Alita was way off from it's source material and there are some problems on the characters, but it was decent.
Give Speed Racer a shot.
5:54 it’s so colorless at first I thought it was sand
This might be a hot take so I'll apologize in advance, but I'm not exactly on board with Jet's casting. I know that the actor did a comparatively good job to 99% of the cast, but that "Blackmail" scene felt really fucking gross. It's one thing to change an established character's race, but doing that, AND highlighting their new race as if they were like this in the original feels insulting. This might be kinda off topic but I rather have a show create diverse characters and adapt underrated diverse characters than change the race of other preexisting characters, they bear MUCH more fruit than the latter.
I think it's just that the actor wasn't great. He didn't project any sense of authority or hard boiled vibes. Tbf though, the writing for Jet was shit. Compared to the original, this Jet was a loser. The daughter angle could've been promising but it got old real fast.
Bro we all knew jet was black Coded along with Piccolo From dragon ball, Darwin from amazing world of gumball, And uhhh someone help me out here I'm blanking out.
Thing I'm getting at is jet been black idk what y'all are talking about.
Yep. You should always elevate diverse characters vs changing another characters race.
@@notsonegative1736 black coding is the stupidest fucking thing. Just admit that he fits your stereotypes of black people
in conclusion: nobody asked for this
Western shows think pointing a lot of swearing gore makes the shows better. It does sound childish because only a high school fanfic writer is edgy enough to use swears and demand more violence
Your editing keeps getting better. Informative along with being entertaining.
I'll be here for the one piece adaptation review 😎
The only positive I can think of is the "Netflix adaptation" meme will see a resurgence from this at least.
That black mail scene as a black person is beyond disgusting
it's like netflix thinks our life revolves auround our race 😐
One more anime went to the Hollywood graveyard
live action is never a good sign
I couldn't get past the first episode. I can tell there's passion for the source material and I love the casting for Spike, but the acting and what they did change from the original ruined it for me. Faye's introduction was probably my least favorite part, the opening theme was adapted extremely well though.
It’s not “Americanized.”
It’s “Hollywoodized.”
MASSIVE difference.
Idk about anyone else but I am just tired of seeing so many animated things put into live action for…you know I’m not actually sure why they do it at this point.
B/c ANIMATION AGE GHETTO: CARTOONS ARE FOR KIDS...
Producers feel that the only way a well-executed animated story can be "taken seriously" is to have it badly-redone w/live actors.
@@acsound it really sucks 😔
Thank god this shit got canceled after only one season
Cartoonshi's High Guardian Spice Review when? 👀
I’m still giggling about the “I’m a somewhat mentally ill person myself” delivery haha.
Also, what we should’ve learned from Netflix? ANIME ALMOST NEVER can be conveyed via live action haha. Specially when you mix in Netflix’s writers…
To be honest this adaptation proved to me that it can. Like it literally just needed better writers and some touch ups on a few scenes. But there's nothing that this show failed on that isn't correctable in live action. But yes this take is absolutely correct when mixed with Netflix's writers haha
can america just like leave the rest of the world alone
America should leave Japanese entertainment alone, for starters. I enjoy stuff from Japan precisely because it is NOT like *contemporary* western media.
So true, like ew..
Spike looks 20 years older and Faye looks like a bag of milk.
I think, only Tarantino could make a proper adaptation of the original and maybe make a pre or sequel but not the same stuff again.
What was that whole forced feminist bs they did with Julia where her character does a complete 180 like she got possessed in the last episode and all of a sudden kills spike and tortures vicious cuz she wants to be a big bad crime boss out of nowhere? Lmao
Brown is my faaaavorite color!
Lmao shit got cancelled after one week
Don’t fix what isn’t broken
My guy spitting
@@sett190 just spiting some spit fax
Video on High Gardian Spice when?
And now the show is cancelled.
Ooohhhh!! The KING 👑 is back!!
Netflix Cowboy Bebop: Exist
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Hah. Cool review.
6:09 ironically kojima doesn't like it, lol
Ed herself say she was a girl in the anime, im pretty sure Ed would know what gender she is
Hollywood Wokeism: Make a transgender Gren non-binary lol
In my country, Netflix added the original Cowboy Bebop to coincide with the release of the live-action. There are two equally possible reasons for this.
1) They were deluded into thinking that after everyone loved the live-action, it would drive more people to watch the original so they could make a lot of money off of the viewership numbers.
Or, Option 2, the more likely one) They knew the live-action was going to fail so they added the original as a counterweight so that everyone angry at the new one would flock to the old one and they'd still make it out of the scenario financially unscathed.
The reason I think the second one is the most probable is because the original anime for Cowboy Bebop has been the most popular show on Netflix for the past couple weeks, while everyone has dropped the new version.
I'm glad that I didn't watch Netflix's Cowboy Bebop live action. *I'd Just Rewatch Cannon Busters instead.* Cannon Busters is Better than Live action Cowboy Bebop. I'm not saying that as an opinion, saying it as fact. And It is sad that Netflix waste so much money on Live action anime adaptations that no one wants rather than give support to an anime that was created by a black man. I thought Netflix cares about diversity. That's of one my fears about the more anime becomes mainstream the more greedy Corporations makes live action that no one ask for but only for cash grabs. And Corporate Journalists websites like Polygon, CBR and infamously Vice will defend these soulless live action adaptations.
There’s actually some fan made live actions on TH-cam that’s miles better than what these big companies have done. When the passion is there, the product is always good
Sweet another cannon busters fan I swear i have a hard time finding people who are fans of this show
I finished the cowboy bepop live action and compared to the anime this isn’t that good but as it’s own thing it’s decent, I enjoyed watching it, I came in expecting something completely different from the anime so I didn’t have high expectations
The two things that had me genuinely shocked was episode 10 and the changes they decided to make to the church scene and when they introduced gren, I’m hoping they do gren more justice in season 2 because they made a bad first impression
Die hard fans are definitely not gonna like this show, but casuals probrably will
I'd rather watch Cannon Busters as well, which is sad, as I see no reason to rewatch that dull mess of a show.
I liked Cannon Busters
Your editing in this video is amazing and the videos content is quite good too. 10/10 keep up the good work.
This is a very unexpected treat
6:11 don't dis Kojima have you seen his idea of what a mecha anime would be.
People forget that between Buffy and Avengers there was this little show called FireFly... pre-Avengers Whedon is probably the only person who could've pulled LA Bebop. Nowadays, yeahh... its a bad joke.
Yeah; years ago when CB was airing on ADULT SWIM, it was said that FIREFLY *was* "American Cowboy Bebop".
...and also Dr. Horrible.
Imagine my surprise when I heard about that.
I’d watch Serenity again about 5000 times before Netflix Cowboy Bebop
Ah yes, Cartoonshi post, a reason to live again
I just wanna know why people think this was good. WHY.
They butchered Ed and I hate it.
Also hate that obvious wig they put on the kid.
I'd rather watch Lupin the 3rd part 6 over this... poor excuse of a "Cowboy Bebop" adaptation. (Honestly, more like imitation)
I’m planning on watching the Monkey King films whenever the live action One Piece gets made because I already love the original Journey to the West book, and since Just a Robot praises the Journey to the West films I plan on watching those whenever the live action One Piece film is made on Netflix.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr Soka. Good on ya!👌
Is part 6 bad?
@@cartoonking1789 um... no. That's not what I meant. What I mean is, I'd rather watch a binge worthy series that deserves recognition.
@@cartoonking1789 After Part 5 I'd hope so. It's easily became my second favorite behind Part 2.
this is a certified hood classic
I'm so glad ppl are waking up to the fact that u can't adapt anime to live action bc u need that animated medium for things to make sense. I have been saying this since 2012 when I found out they wanted to make a GITS live action and I was dragged for it back then. Glad ppl are starting to wake up
Mason Studios did Bebop justice. The problem isn't adapting anime into live action, it's doing it poorly and using creative staff who dislike what they're adapting. That's why all these old IP have to get "updated" before they're released- the writers want to leave their mark on something they don't even like. Usually they kill beloved characters just to rub it in to the old fans.
I think they made a huge mistake casting with Faye. And didn't have the balls to fire her when she started distorting the character.
I think that's the limit behind the Director's mistakes with her, the rest really falls onto the "I'm doing this because it's my job, not because I like it" attitude the actress had.
She blatantly didn't care about the show at all, so she distorted her character into whatever the fuck this is.
Wait Komi got adapted into anime? Since when? How far out of the loop have I been as of recently? That's probably a good thing but still?
It’s been out for at least a month. So far’ it’s really good. Really does capture the wholesome slice-of-life aspects from the manga.
It started last month.
I am so glad someone else is questioning this Joss Wedon level of humor...and it's shit