This video was excellent at explaining the ccli license. While it was a bit long- winded I couldn’t fast forward through it cuz as soon as I click jump ahead you said something relevant. So just for clarity, display song details for each song (or put in description) abs the ccli number is our own church license number. By the way there is ccli in Canada too. Not only USA.
I agree this was way to long and everything said could have been done in less than 10 minutes. Not to mention some of this info is wrong and not all churches violate any copyright or IP laws. We use One-Lic which covers 80% of our music and we get copyright permission from the artists for what One-Lic does not cover. As a matter of clarity 99% of the major denominations (Lutheran, Methodist, Roman Catholic, Episcopal, Presbyterian) all are using either One-Lic or one of the other music rights services, It's sad that this is just bad info and not well researched. Please consult a IP/Copyright lawyer so you don't provide bad info. Your info on Facebook is correct but on TH-cam you are only half right, We stream on TH-cam 4 times a week and have no ad's etc..
I disagree with your opinion though I am thankful for the kindness in which it was shared. 😁 If you’re not getting ads on TH-cam it means either you’re using public domain music or your deleting the stream once the service is over. If deleting, obviously it’s hard to show ads. Otherwise you would get a copyright claim like everyone else, and ads will show even if you’re not a TH-cam partner. Can you cite any research to back up the 99% claim? I am impressed that you actually work with the artists on 20% of your music. Most people would have to go through the publishers as they handle all of that. 😉
Note, too, that the ownership of the copyright may be held by a corporation, not by the original author. While the interest of the original author may be to glorify God and continue to write new music, the interest in the corporation is probably to generate revenue and protect the value of its intellectual property. The license is a means of paying the copyright owner for the permitted use of the material; including a license identifier (e.g. a CCLI client number) is a simple way to help the copyright owner confirm that you have paid for permission to use their property.
Someone has told me that if you have bought the track or the music on a CD, etc., it gives you the right to use that music as your accompaniment. And if that performance is streamed live on Facebook, it is still not a copyright issue. I can't see how this could possibly be true.
Yeah, that's not accurate. According to law, you can't even play it in front of a live audience without permission/license. Again, I don't see a Christian artist suing like a secular artist might, but we're just being technical. That's why artists keep having to send a cease and desist letter to political parties who use their songs at events. :D
TH-cam's copyright strike system is completely messed up. We get strikes all the time for old hymns that are in public domain. I used to contest the strikes, but gave up.
Facebook's system is broken because they don't have a good ad revenue flow - so sharing royalties with copyright owners is done out of pocket. So they are protecting themselves by silencing or flagging. It's a stupid solution but that's Facebook for you. Some find it better to stream to TH-cam and just share the stream to Facebook. TH-cam's system is much better as 99.9% of the time they do a claim, which only means any ad revenue is shared with the publisher.
Do you know what type of license would I need to do a worship session with just myself and my keyboard. I want to sing spontaneous worship mixed with some Christian worship songs for TH-cam?
If you want to perform music that is covered by the CCLI license, can you use a track as the backup music instead of instruments played by church musicals. For example, can a quartet or a choir "sing along" with a track that has the music and even singing on it?
H ithere! So, it depends on what you mean by "track." If you're playing the song from an artist from their album, most likely you'll get a copyright claim for that - in some cases a strike is possible. Publicly playing and streaming the song straight from the artist is almost never covered without a special license. However, if you mean a track like from Multitracks.com or LoopCommunity, that is fine and covered under the CCLI performance license. However, you still might get a claim because the AI isn't perfect. In many cases, sharing the CCLI license information in an appeal will fix it if you want to go through the trouble. Note: claims aren't bad and aren't looked at as negative for your channel. A strike is.
If you're playing the oringial performance, then yes you need a license or written permission because TH-cam will either claim it or strike it, depending on the publisher.
If you want permission, you have to request it from the publisher. However, when it comes to most Christian music, getting a performance license through something like CCLI is the way to go. The great thing about TH-cam is that they won't take the video down or mute it... at the worst, they will put a Copyright claim on it which means any ad revenue that your video generates, the money will go to the publisher.
I contacted CCLI and they said they don't cover youtube videos that are covers. What's good wording to put in a google search to find out who the publisher is of a particular song? Thanks for your help
While I agree artists should be compensated for their work, your example of pirating music sheets is not relevant to copyright strikes on TH-cam. What you describe is straight up illegal and immoral but cannot be compared to getting a copyright strike because the choir sang a hymn composed in 1878 which some random artist recorded in 2015 and goes after anyone with a video.
If you get a strike, it most certainly does. However in the scenario you mention, it would be a claim not a strike. Strikes come from things considered piracy, which is exactly the same as stealing. Claims come from covers and are not considered stealing, however the claim system is there to protect the creators nonetheless. Hymns from 1878 are not copyright protected. But if an artist does a new musical arrangement for that hymn, that specific arrangement could fall under copyright protection.
Agreed. We have a foreign entity (Korean) claiming Leaning on The Everlasting Arms which has been in the Public Domain for more than 118 years. I disputed it and they rejected my dispute, threatening to take down the video. This is a scam and there isn't a thing churches can do about it except to stop using TH-cam.
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Can you do a CCLI v CCS video? Pros, cons, differences kind of video….
This video was excellent at explaining the ccli license. While it was a bit long- winded I couldn’t fast forward through it cuz as soon as I click jump ahead you said something relevant. So just for clarity, display song details for each song (or put in description) abs the ccli number is our own church license number. By the way there is ccli in Canada too. Not only USA.
I agree this was way to long and everything said could have been done in less than 10 minutes. Not to mention some of this info is wrong and not all churches violate any copyright or IP laws. We use One-Lic which covers 80% of our music and we get copyright permission from the artists for what One-Lic does not cover. As a matter of clarity 99% of the major denominations (Lutheran, Methodist, Roman Catholic, Episcopal, Presbyterian) all are using either One-Lic or one of the other music rights services, It's sad that this is just bad info and not well researched. Please consult a IP/Copyright lawyer so you don't provide bad info. Your info on Facebook is correct but on TH-cam you are only half right, We stream on TH-cam 4 times a week and have no ad's etc..
I disagree with your opinion though I am thankful for the kindness in which it was shared. 😁
If you’re not getting ads on TH-cam it means either you’re using public domain music or your deleting the stream once the service is over. If deleting, obviously it’s hard to show ads.
Otherwise you would get a copyright claim like everyone else, and ads will show even if you’re not a TH-cam partner.
Can you cite any research to back up the 99% claim? I am impressed that you actually work with the artists on 20% of your music. Most people would have to go through the publishers as they handle all of that. 😉
Note, too, that the ownership of the copyright may be held by a corporation, not by the original author. While the interest of the original author may be to glorify God and continue to write new music, the interest in the corporation is probably to generate revenue and protect the value of its intellectual property. The license is a means of paying the copyright owner for the permitted use of the material; including a license identifier (e.g. a CCLI client number) is a simple way to help the copyright owner confirm that you have paid for permission to use their property.
Wow, that could have been condensed to about 10 minutes...
lol, no kidding. You try it and tell me how it goes. 😅
Closed Caption, please!
Someone has told me that if you have bought the track or the music on a CD, etc., it gives you the right to use that music as your accompaniment. And if that performance is streamed live on Facebook, it is still not a copyright issue. I can't see how this could possibly be true.
Yeah, that's not accurate. According to law, you can't even play it in front of a live audience without permission/license. Again, I don't see a Christian artist suing like a secular artist might, but we're just being technical. That's why artists keep having to send a cease and desist letter to political parties who use their songs at events. :D
TH-cam's copyright strike system is completely messed up. We get strikes all the time for old hymns that are in public domain. I used to contest the strikes, but gave up.
Strikes or claims?
Our church keeps getting their facebook streams flagged for music, we own the license and put it in the description. Idk what to do
Facebook's system is broken because they don't have a good ad revenue flow - so sharing royalties with copyright owners is done out of pocket. So they are protecting themselves by silencing or flagging. It's a stupid solution but that's Facebook for you. Some find it better to stream to TH-cam and just share the stream to Facebook. TH-cam's system is much better as 99.9% of the time they do a claim, which only means any ad revenue is shared with the publisher.
Do you know what type of license would I need to do a worship session with just myself and my keyboard. I want to sing spontaneous worship mixed with some Christian worship songs for TH-cam?
If you want to perform music that is covered by the CCLI license, can you use a track as the backup music instead of instruments played by church musicals. For example, can a quartet or a choir "sing along" with a track that has the music and even singing on it?
H ithere!
So, it depends on what you mean by "track." If you're playing the song from an artist from their album, most likely you'll get a copyright claim for that - in some cases a strike is possible. Publicly playing and streaming the song straight from the artist is almost never covered without a special license. However, if you mean a track like from Multitracks.com or LoopCommunity, that is fine and covered under the CCLI performance license. However, you still might get a claim because the AI isn't perfect. In many cases, sharing the CCLI license information in an appeal will fix it if you want to go through the trouble.
Note: claims aren't bad and aren't looked at as negative for your channel. A strike is.
Does this need for the license also include dance performances? Like nobody else is singing it, but it’s being danced to.
If you're playing the oringial performance, then yes you need a license or written permission because TH-cam will either claim it or strike it, depending on the publisher.
How can someone get permission to do a cover of christian music on their TH-cam channel?
If you want permission, you have to request it from the publisher. However, when it comes to most Christian music, getting a performance license through something like CCLI is the way to go. The great thing about TH-cam is that they won't take the video down or mute it... at the worst, they will put a Copyright claim on it which means any ad revenue that your video generates, the money will go to the publisher.
I contacted CCLI and they said they don't cover youtube videos that are covers.
What's good wording to put in a google search to find out who the publisher is of a particular song? Thanks for your help
Just go to the artists website. That information will be there somewhere. @@user-wt8op3eo6e
Okay, I'll try that. Thanks!
God bless
4:39 oh yeah, I'm really taking you seriously now...
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While I agree artists should be compensated for their work, your example of pirating music sheets is not relevant to copyright strikes on TH-cam.
What you describe is straight up illegal and immoral but cannot be compared to getting a copyright strike because the choir sang a hymn composed in 1878 which some random artist recorded in 2015 and goes after anyone with a video.
If you get a strike, it most certainly does. However in the scenario you mention, it would be a claim not a strike. Strikes come from things considered piracy, which is exactly the same as stealing. Claims come from covers and are not considered stealing, however the claim system is there to protect the creators nonetheless.
Hymns from 1878 are not copyright protected. But if an artist does a new musical arrangement for that hymn, that specific arrangement could fall under copyright protection.
Agreed. We have a foreign entity (Korean) claiming Leaning on The Everlasting Arms which has been in the Public Domain for more than 118 years. I disputed it and they rejected my dispute, threatening to take down the video. This is a scam and there isn't a thing churches can do about it except to stop using TH-cam.