500,000-mile Citroen Picasso! Is it sheer misery?
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- We've found ourselves with the #Passthepicasso Citroen Xsara Picasso MPV for an extended test, but what is a half-million-mile Citroen diesel actually like? It has the 2.0 HDi engine and has been previously kept by @alsodriven #Citroen #Highmiles
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Three quick things:
1) We bought the car with 479,577 miles on it.
2) The clutch was replaced (only for the 2nd time) at about 480k.
3) AWESOME video! Miss the lovely thing. Please let us have it back at some point not too far away… but have your fun with it first!
That’s astonishing clutch life for a TD. I can remember a 306TD where the clutch lasted about 40k. Well, I suppose it had to be motorways didn’t it. Space ship mileage. Probably used to drive to Spain and back. Quite regularly 😂
@@howardlake6178 Actually, it was mainly a long commute in/out of London 5 days a week. First clutch went to 250k… which just astonishes me.
@@ashleywinstonI've owned my 306 dturbo for the past 20 years. Its now almost 26 years old. I still drive it 35 miles daily, its done 234000 on its original clutch
We had a 206 1.4hdi, it was on the original clutch when we sold it at 236,000.
All gives me hope my 308 1.5hdi lasts that long!
Just sold my 56 plate a few months back, cannot overstate the MPG of the 1.6 diesel, 58 average mpg, and the only thing that ever went wrong with it was the cv boots seemed to fall apart regularly.
Always found it drove like you were in a spaceship, soft and wobbley, practical and oddly reliable!
In other words very French.
I had one of these for over 10 years, it was a great reliable car. I did not know there was a little drawer under the driver's seat.
Battery?
@@Christophe-pl5xu No the battery was under the passenger seat.
@@jys160 ok , logic , i m french so i thought with driver to the left.😁
I have 1,6 diesel and my parents have old 2.0 diesel.
Mine have 260 000 and.want to go 500 000 also.
I borrowed this car from Palmdale in 2019. I also thought I'd hate it but I actually enjoyed it too.
It has the clunk on the driver's side then too.
My 05 plate is still going strong.. the hdi engine is bullet proof, lovely old boat to drive.
Same here, got it unseen on ebay, with a flat tyre and sill just done for MOT. Now 40,000 miles later it's just the same as before. Love them my third 😂
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Loved my Pic, bought at 70,000 died at 300,000 due to tin worn.
And had the same clutch!
Took a while to get used to the drivers seat.
If they did a diesel auto I’d be driving one now.
What a great car
I bought a new Picasso 2.0HDI in 2002 - Exclusive trim, which came with a fully glazed sunroof that really added to the feeling of space. Apart from being great cars they were sold at bargain prices from new. These are really comfortable practical cars.
From memory the rear seats can recline slightly. My parents had one when they were new and I spent a lot of time sleeping in the back as I had been up all night playing world of warcraft as a teenager!!
My daily driver 2001 Xsara Picasso 1.6 petrol 8v SX (with panoramic sunroof and aircon) has done 107k. I bought it with 61k on the clock. The rattly gearstick is normal as is the whine in 3rd gear. The good thing - it's exempt from the ULEZ charge in London.
It's been to Cornwall and back, and Isle of Wight multiple times without missing a beat, has been loaded up with furniture to move house, and with rubbish for the tip.
A few things to add:
- the backrests on the rear seats can be adjusted to be less upright.
- the rear seats can be removed completely making it vanlike.
The MK1 models are very simple and bulletproof..
Never a car I wanted but it was cheap when I needed a car. Passes the MOT each year and is easy to service.
We (my wife and I an our two adult children) visited the UK in summer of 2001 and rented a Xsara Picasso for 10 days. At the time I was taken by what Volkswagen had done with the TDI and the 1.9L HDI in our Picasso seemed to spec out almost identically. Living in the US, we had had no access to the PSA brands for decades, so this was our only experience with a Citroën of any sort. The car proved perfect for our needs in terms of comfort, luggage space and fuel economy.
You know who I am???? Uncle had one that replaced a Scenic , and owned for 8 years , his only complaints about the Picasso that the driver's door was starting to sag, was a great family car for him and he did have to have one of the first like he did when he had a scenic. Excellent review as always would love to see this hit a million miles.
My old school taxi for years!, but it was the petrol 1.6 litre. Very comfort and great height, see everything outside the windows.
In my family we had this car from 2001 to 2018, it reached 300.000 km without any kind of problem. Sadly the regulations here in Rome started to be a problem to euro3 cars, so we had to change it. I've learned to drive in that car and i have a lot of good memories. By the way if i don't get wrong, the rear seats have two leaning positions, which can be chosen acting on the same reclining lever and pushing it back whith your shoulders
I drove a Xsara Picasso a while back. Despite the French Clutch (a foot tall with a half inch grab zone at the end) it was magnificent.
Wow cant believe the great condition inside and out.Been loved and serviced.
I've seen the other video where you guys stumble upon the fact that the gearbox was dry!! No wonder the 3th gear was wining! LOL 😂 😂
Crikey! What a story. Seriously, if I worked for Citroen I'd buy that car and use it to advertise the quality of French engineering and design.😀
If I worked for Citroen I’d be peeling away the bodywork hunting for the Mercedes underneath. And then I would feint in amazement when I realised it really is a Citroen.
@@LesterLovesWatchesYou would likely not got a modern Mercedes anywhere near that old. They really are not what they used to be.
@@LesterLovesWatches Pre 1990s Mercedes presumably? 🙂
errr... it's a dirty Diesel, no one wants to been seen dead with one of those
Totally agree.
That’s what Volvo + VW used to do .
I love the 'mystery' pointy hand coming into shot, please keep doing it! 😁
I had the same model with additonal climate control that I self imported from Holland and saved just about 6000 quid. Mine was a 2001 Y plate, used to regularly get 60mpg and kept to 90k miles wish I had never got rid of it. Such a versatile car .
I had an early 1.9 diesel. I bought a new full size dishwasher and picked it up from a Currys warehouse. They lifted it up on the small wooden pallet and slid it straight into the back of the Picasso. Mine came with a folding shopping trolley in the boot.
I owned an ‘03 reg same colour but slightly higher trim, it had painted bumpers and manual air conditioning. I bought mine in ‘07 and sold it in 2011. Very practical the worst feature was slightly roll poly cornering but I did have a ZX previously. Lovely view from drivers seat I did have to have the clutch replaced but no other problems.
As someone who is completely addicted to french MPVs of the 2000s, I got that "I must have one of these" vibes going on after seeing this.(The go-to-solution for this craving is to get a 1/43-scale model - there are far too many cars I would like to own, I'd soon end up with a car-museum if Ihad the chance to by them all) In many ways similar to the Scenic II I had, but also quite different. Will enjoy the videos on this one for sure. And I totally agree on what you say about SUVs vs MPVs. I have driven many SUVs in my job and absolutely every one of them sucks compared to the MPVs I have owned and own now. I guess the only major flaw with an MPV is that they don't let the driver show how manly he is - apparently that is important, for some reason...
Grew up being driven around in a 52plate Xsara Picasso 1.8 petrol. I thought it was MUCH better than the C4 Picasso my dad replaced it with
The Xsara Picasso underneath is actually a Berlingo, as you state somewhere at the start of the driving impressions. The car followed the design concept Xanae, which was much more stylish and hinted at more upmarket ambitions. The designers themselves followed this up with the much simplified “Berlingo Bulle” that hinted at what the initial idea had become behind the scenes. For the Picasso is in some ways the last car of the Jacques Calvet era at PSA. Calvet’s approach to innovation was to let others do it, and observe patiently if they had been right or wrong, and come up with a copycat product when they’d got it right. That’s how Matra’s Espace ended up a Renault, and PSA didn’t come up with an MPV until the mid-90s.
By then, Renault had come up with the Scénic, and PSA could use something to counter it. But Calvet still didn’t trust the newly emerging segment and demanded the car be developed on a shoestring budget. Hence the Berlingo underpinnings, the extremely cheap plastic trim and lack of pleasantness in touch and feel.
However, the rather long wheelbase and well set up suspension made them very comfortable and they handled discreetly, although German car testers detected a tendency to breaking away in oversteer if you lifted the foot or, worse, braked in a fast bend. It was only two years after Mercedes’ first attempt at front wheel drive had needed an ESC in similar situations, which had been discovered by Scandinavians and not Germans, so the Germans took it out on French cars for retaliation... because it took some time to fit ESC to the French cars, thanks to the Calvet approach. Memories....
I have to say, around the 3:30 mark, the efficiency and quickfire way yourself and Miss Hubnut named then demonstrated the various storage areas in this car was absolutely masterful. I know it's a weird thing to notice but it was so bloody well done I couldn't keep it to myself haha.
Well done Picasso for reaching this insane mileage!!
Brings back memories.
In 2000 a work colleague replaced his 1.9D ZX with a new Piscasso 2.0HDi. We used to car share and I often drove the Piscasso, at the time had a '97 Polo 1.9D and the Piscasso was very quiet, smoothe and spritely in comparison. In 2002 I got a Clio DCi and that made the Piscasso feel a bit soft, it did suffer from side winds on the motorway. When it was a few years old it had a recall for potential broken front springs and the turbo boost pipe blew off making an impressive wooshing sound but not apprently effecting performance.
i had 2 2.0 hdi models…one of the best motors i had tbh…i went every where in europe in it and even turned one into a mini camper..no dual mass flywheel, no intercooler,no dpf brilliant…if i went skint this is the 1st car i would buy straight away…
I’d agree with you on the PSA HDi engines - but I’d prefer a Pug 307 myself - the ‘05 model I once owned was superb.
My misses had one when our kids were younger. It did its job well, with few issues.
Loved the Picasso and the advert with the factory robots.
They did a flat blue very similar to Trafalgar Blue on a morris seen that colour on a Berlingo van I owned. Love the lozenge shape.
I knew an old mechanic who owned a Picasso drove like mad in a good way.
Again where the hell has the time gone 2002.
All I can see when I see a Picasso is an angry chavvy Dad going too fast everywhere, until the Nissan Qashqai and Vauxhall Mokka came along and took that crown.
Hahaha you've hit the nail on the head there 😂🤣😂
Sir Ronald of Pickering too..
The reason Mokka and Qashqai owners are angry is because they got sucked into buying a pointless SUV/crossover.
This is so accurate
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So good to see one doing those miles. I had many through the garage with various electrical and no start problems.
i learnt to drive in a 2001 xsara picasso back when i was 12, lovely car need to get one in the future
Here is a fun fact: the Xsara Picasso was sold in Colombia for its entire production run. It didnt sell like hot cakes, but it sold well enough for me to see then fairly often on the road.
The Picasso has been a really practical and popular family car, and I'm guessing it was a huge success for citroen.half a million miles and counting, wow.
I had a 1999 Xsara VTR Coupe back in the day which was one of the nicest cars I’ve owned. The Picasso - while no beauty contest winner, is an excellent vehicle and fitted it’s design brief perfect. The ride and handling is superb and don’t forget it’s basically a Peugeot 306 underneath which was one of the greatest hatchbacks ever. Great review and again proof that cars when maintained can last a silly amount of time. An acquaintance of mine (lazy and miserly) had a 1.6 petrol and never serviced it in 3 years and it never missed a beat.
Great video. Looking forward to more of the Picasso - such as how good the suspension is over bumps...
i drive one every now and then , great visability , comfy ,cheap to run and so roomy, they really are nice
loving learning more about Pass's history and slowly answering some of my questions about why it drives so well and if it really is the original engine and gearbox...
I’ve had 2 Picassos in the past. They were the best family transport. Took them both to over 160,000 miles. Just run in it seems🙂
HDi engines are rock solid reliable. I had a P406 that I did not treat too well (servicing, etc), but it never gave me a bad time. I now have a 64 plate P308 e-HDi which has done 96K and it just feels run in, although I do have it serviced regularly by a local Dealer. I hope I can get similar mileage to this beaut, and your video has made me think I should try.. This shape Picasso is drop dead gorgeous in looks, has huge practicality, and is obviously a more than lifetime car.
Only thing needed is to have the timing belt done on time. If they snap it's quite a bit of work to sort it out.
@@stiggyness1976 I had one where the internal cam chain snapped - which apparently never happens. It had already had the oil pump drive chain replaced after it snapped. I just ended up replacing the engine with a used one from a scrapyard, which I still have and which runs a treat. Or it will when I've finished rebuilding the rotten bodywork around it.
Only problem i have had, was the fuel pump in the engine bay failing on me for some reason, that was about it.
@@procta2343 I once had the high-pressure pump cut out on me, 100 yards into a test drive after I'd replaced the alternator. Turned out all I had to do was jiggle the electrical connector on the top of the pump and it ran fine after that - I must have disturbed the (admittedly iffy) wiring while I was working on it.
That's awesome! I had a Picasso of the same vintage but its Aircon died and electrics went squiffy so moved it on, for peanuts because there were so many around. It was a smooth drive and amazing space and safety for the money but not keen on corners. Great to see this one going and looking remarkably good.
«The most sustainable car is the one that is alraedy built». This claim I read on the Retro Classic in Stuttgart last Sunday. 820,000 km. Good Job, Xantia Picasso!
Exactly but they’re trying to make us scrap cars early to allegedly save the environment! Look at the mining that’s goes into build an EV! Absolute con
I owned an '02 Picasso for a few years which I'd bought from new. Brilliant car it was, never a single issue with it. So practical too.
A friend of mine living in Falmouth Cornwall reaches 900.000 miles with a Peugeot 806 2.0 Hdi Taxi.
Great reliable engine and great comfort for less money than german cars !
I should not be this happy to see a video about a twenty year old, 500,000 mile Picasso, but I am.
I was lucky enough to have this last year before Sion and Jim did (although I weirdly didn't experience any starting issues), it actually helped me out of a hole following an unexpected engine failure on a corsa. Im not so mechanically minded so didn't do anything to it apart from an interior clean. Did some decent trips in it, totalling somewhere around 3,500 miles and it was generally excellent and that diesel economy was much welcomed through last year! Great video :)
Great video Ian and thanks for reminding us of Ronnie Pickering - that was 7 years ago!! and the original video is still on TH-cam - hilarious
It is great to see such a High Mileage Citroen still on the road. I have ridden in a few as Taxis that were not as good condition as the High Mileage one.
That's awesome. Typical 2.0 HDI third gear whine just a bit loud. I used to like the sound of it in the 306. You could hear the matallic rattle and turbo spinning up and it suited the D Turbo. Seems quite a quiet engine in other things!
The two height setting on the tailgate is so you don’t bang it on the roof if you park in a garage. Andrew
I said Ronnie Pickering 3 times and this video popped into my recommended videos. Now I am a subscriber of this channel.
I’ve had two of these, I’m on my third Picasso it being the C4. Loved them. Think I remember seeing this Xsara Picasso about 4 years ago on TH-cam.
We had a Picasso 1.6 petrol back when we had kids living at home and needed the space and I really don’t understand why people hate on them, it wasn’t particularly interesting to drive but it was comfortable,reliable,cheap to run and fix.
We also had a zafira around the same time that was no sports car but did exactly what it promised.
These cars are incredibly fit for purpose and I really liked them.
We owned 2 of these in the early naughties…. The 2.0hdi and the 1.6hdi…. Both were fantastic load loggers for the young family. Excellent also for the annual booze cruise to France
Which engine did you prefer?
Great video. My 110bhp Desire was an utter dream and the most reliable car I have ever owned in 50 years of driving. The wipers will park to the outside of the screen edges and you can put a frost blanket between them, really clever touch. They don't make good weird cars like this anymore. Great for cruising the roads of Europe, every holiday was so easy. Bags of room.
As my Berlingo was getting near 100K, it had a lot of starting problems, particularly in winter. However, it was a joy at motorway speeds.
I actually have one of these, it's a 55 plate facelift shape, 1.6 petrol 16v
It's on the opposite end of the spectrum and has only done just over 30k miles!
It's brilliant in many many ways
I remember this car on TH-cam Years ago . Glad to see it still going!
Drove a loaner (1.8 petrol), found it nice and practical.
I always thought this is what you should have bought, rather than the Berlingo...
We've had five Xsara Picasso's in our family, two 2.0hdi, two 1.6hdi and a 1.6i. Without question they are the most comfortable, reliable and practical cars we have ever owned. The interior space, in relation to the exterior footprint proved time and again that the SUV concept is a success of marketing over common sense. I know a lot of people with much larger SUV's that have much less space inside. The flexibility of the rear seats being up, folded, tipped or removed, the acres of space, the useful cubby holes, the shopping trolley, the vast glass area. It was a suberb design, and far better than the C4 Picasso that followed. I would still happily trade our C4 Picasso for a good, late model Xsara one.
Should let Chops Garage have it next and James could give it one of his makeovers, he'd have it looking like new again! 😂👍
I have 52 will be working on it this spring, Love this car!
The Xsara Picasso fits so brilliantly in the classic Citroen line up. I love watching this particular car as it’s almost identical to the one my grandad has.
We had several Picassos and Berlingos as holiday rentals in the 'noughties'. I predict that on long journeys you will prefer the quieter, smoother Picasso but day to day, do it all, around town and typical use the Berlingo will conquer (and probably be the final winner). Enjoy!
Both cars use the same platform
I had 2 of them, one being the only brand new car I ever bought, absolutely loved it. The internal trim was terrible though, I'm sure the plastic started squeaking on the second day of my owning it, but you can't argue with that amount of storage, and the 1.6HDi sipped fuel like a hummingbird. Depreciation on the thing was astounding, main reason my only new car 😀
Absolutely brilliant video Ian Miss hubnut 👍 ❤️ lovely car milage is astonishing but is diesel brilliant
What a mileage half a million. It surely has survived well over its time. Rode in one a few years ago so big & spacious.
I had a 2001 Picasso with the 110 2.0hdi for a couple of years really nice to drive good family wagon. I now have a 2006 m59 berlingo multispace which very much makes me think of the Picasso
fantastic cars,roll on corners and great mpg.i owned 4 in my time and now on c3 picasso
I rode as a passenger some years ago in a Picasso. It was a very comfy and roomy car. I hear from a salvage company on You Tube as it’s the most scrapped car they deal with.
I just got rid of mine which had 187k on it. It was a wonderful machine, underrated to say the least. Only gripe I had with mine was lack of actual cup holders.
Such a shame they don’t make them anymore
Thoroughly enjoyed this. I love space ship mileages 😂
Years ago our Hermes woman had one of these and she used to deliver up to 1000 parcels a day sometimes ! - Great car and reminds me so much of my old Austin Maestro VDP with that digital speedo and its chunky but roomy size 🙂
Great to see and good work as ever. Did anyone else think - however - about counting the number of times the honourable Berlingo was mentioned!?
I've got a y reg Picasso. Currently sorned because I have a company car. The wife got the Picasso off of a friend who won it by allowing an insurance company to quote her other car insurance. Had 58 miles on the clock now 170k. Its been to Barcelona, Milan, south of France numerous times, Monaco and LeMans 24 twice.
Its transported 2 Porsche 924 engines. Umpteen tip runs fully loaded. Absolutely fantastic car. Apart from tyres pads etc the only part to fail is one coil pack.
Great content again
I had 2 of them including the VTR sporty one when the kids were little. Brilliant cars. Only prob is that the windscreen have a genuine very thin layer of gold in the lamination to reduce heat soak through that massive screen. In the old days of Tom Tom sat nav, the golden windscreen stopped the Tom Tom seeing the sat. So you had to buy the external aerial and run the cable through the door seal! Good old days.
The silhouette of the bottle shown on the door card is definitely an Evian bottle.
I car I'd love to see you drive would be a Volvo 66 with the variomatic transmission. You spyed one at the DAF museum but a review of one would be fun.
My Picasso was an 03 plate, mk1 exterior face-lift interior (that one is a mk1 the mk2 has a different steering wheel and stalks) . Lovely car for long distance with all the family.
Traded it for a c4 grand Picasso when we had another kiddy and wanted a bigger boot.
I still miss that car now it was just a relaxing place to be.
How does the newer one compare?
Citroen and Peugeot really ought to be commended for the quality of their diesel engine cars.
We have had a few in our family.
My Dad had a 2.0 litre Peugeot 405 turbo GLD, my brother had a 1.9 turbo diesel Citroen ZX and I have a Citroen c3 1.4 HDi.
Very robust don't really take a lot of looking after, surprisingly comfortable, plenty of room and storage space and all over good value for money.
I have one as my daily driver. I’ve owned it for ten years. It’s dull and sluggish but so practical.
I have a similar vintage but much lower milage one of these and it all still works too amazingly for a french car
Had a 2004 xsara estate with this engine sold it with 160,000 miles . 1 clutch a few bulbs and wipers and that's it. Comfortable rapid loads of torque and unbelievable mpg.
Weve had several of these - the 2.0 HDI and 1.6 8v where the most reliable. I do prefer the Pre-Facelift ones. The 1.6 8v we had features on my channel (From Hull to Paris).
Amazing to see a Citroen that's done so many miles that's not a bag of nails with weird electrics and broken plastics. Great video as always 🙂
Love it! Hope the wiring is ok.
For half a million miles this is in mint condition. Look around at cars that have done far less and look like a shed in comparison. The MPV segment died well before it's time I think, these were so versatile cars. I guess one of the last surviving if the MPV breed is the Berlingo along with the other manufacturers clones based on the same car. That interior is also a big surprise that it has stayed together as well as it has. Many thanks for sharing.
I had one - a petrol Desire model loved it to bits. Did 30 odd K miles in it and on just over 100k it developed an oil leak and I got stage fright and moved it on. Since that time I realised what a stupid move that was as it was probably an easy fix .
Plus side it enabled me to experience similar joy with a high mile Scenic - happy days,
Thing with it is if you fall for it act fast - all the good ones are being worn smooth - I would have had another but just couldn't find one in the condition I wanted.
another great video has always Ian and miss hubnut and hublets and hubmutts 👍
i once saw a diesel 1991 Urvan with 860,000 miles on the clock. Sadly it was in a breakers. I had a bluebird 910 automatic once with over 200K on it , still ran like a swiss watch.
I have two 1.6 16v petrol xsara picasso vehicles.
Perfect car for small families/holidays and tip runs.
For the past 3 years, the car only has cost me fuel, servicing and tyres.
I can't fault them especially when you see brand-new vehicles broken down by the road side.
Cheap fantastic motoring.
I had a 2.0 hdi sx had it for years brilliant car surprising how much stuff you can in it with the back seats out . The only time it let me down is when the clutch went
Well done ian and Carly a great review on the Picasso
We have only but great memories of our four we had in the family and a c4 Picasso mk1 and 2
They are such capable cars and comfortable and work horses anything you needed them to do they did and comfortable at munching the miles
They are great sitting up high and you can see so much with all the glass
Just to pick up on trims to start with you had the LX SX and exclusive and on the facelift cars you had the Desire and exclusive
The instruments were great and the first car I know you could change mph to kph with a touch of a button
I would still love to see one on the hubnut fleet would be great for you with bob!
That’s real, genuine eco-friendliness! Sips fuel, outlasted the average car 5 times over and the parts can be recycled with it’s finally done.
True, all true. I have been contemplating swapping my 1.6 Diesel for a petrol-hybrid. I'd miss the huge boot, and switching cannot be justified, as the Picasso is super-efficient already. If you set the controls to show your current mpg, it will help you to adjust your driving style to achieve even higher mpg. I get 45mpg without trying, but can achieve 60mpg by employing a few tricks, such as:
1. Accelerate slowly
2. Coast down hills
3. Don't drive too fast.
We had the 1.9 hdi on a 2005 plate and only got rid of it a couple of years ago. Moved down to Devon with it and it was uber reliable car. Replaced with a Nissan Qasqai 1.5dci 2010 and that has had the following fail - starter motor, windscreen wiper motor, harmonic balancer(crank shaft pulley), egr valve, rear offside parking brake fell apart in handbrake drum, passenger window motor. Not bad for a 12 year old car lol.
A most enjoyable & interesting video well done 👍👍👍
Check the fuel rail pressure control valve on the berlingo. Looked in to how the systemworks now and that seem like a likely culprit.
I have had three of these cars, all 2lt HDI. The one I have now is 2052 plate and same colour as this one but called the Exclusive. I believe the colour is called sable. Mine has only done 52000 when bought now still only having 72000 mile on the clock. With sunroof and electric windows all round. The engines are bomb proof. They were a outstanding car and hoping to keep mine as long as I can.
Sounds like a very practical car. Well done getting hold of this one.
Great review Ian, they are a roomy car and very practical and with the HDI 2 litre engine can get a decent move on,
500,000 miles is a feat for any car, not impossible though as this car shows, it must have been loved and well serviced and needed for nothing in its earlier years, a lot of these cars were scrapped once they’d reached 150,000 as they got too expensive to keep them in good health.
I think the mileage is certainly a credit to its former keepers, if more owners took the same cars more of these would still be on the road now.
Thanks for the review.👍