I TRIED TO PLAY CAS AT TOP TIER... IT DIDN'T GO WELL! (SALTY) - F-14B in War Thunder

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  • The F-14B in War Thunder is broken right now. The Radar Missiles won't lock so I decided it would be a good idea to take the F-14B into Ground Battles! :)
    This turned out to be one of my biggest mistakes in War Thunder. As a CAS plane in Top Tier War Thunder you're subjected to all sorts of painful torture. Such as the Pantsir, Tor and many other SAM's. What's worse is, Helicopters have an insane ability to shoot you down.
    In this video, I played 5 games back to back and just show you what happened! As raw as it gets! OddBawZ gets Salty.
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  • @OddBawZ
    @OddBawZ  ปีที่แล้ว +275

    WHAT AM I DOING WRONG? LOL

  • @ryanp5790
    @ryanp5790 ปีที่แล้ว +507

    My guy. The pod is on the right wing. You keep losing lock because you roll right which puts the fuselage between you and your target. Roll left so that way you can evade and keep the pod in sight of your target

    • @12733s
      @12733s ปีที่แล้ว +25

      the problem isn't him rolling left or right, its when he goes inverted which you need to do to dodge the incoming

    • @ryanp5790
      @ryanp5790 ปีที่แล้ว +64

      @@12733severy pod has a gimbal limit. Pods also can’t illuminate a target through the aircraft it’s on. Going inverted will at some point cause the laser to reach the gimbal limit and lose lock, but he’s also lost lock without going inverted as well because he’s always putting the plane between the pod and the target

    • @全-l3z
      @全-l3z ปีที่แล้ว +17

      they really need to add anti-radiation missile in the game, or the spaa player experience is so stupid, just lock and shot, they should be punished.

    • @fire_drake12.arc.24
      @fire_drake12.arc.24 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@全-l3z HARM missiles will be absolutely useless against anyone but the SPAA player that doesnt have the "turn on/off radar" key bound. Literally all you have to do is shut off radar, switch to IRST and move about 50m and you're safe all while still shooting at the aircraft.

    • @bruhlolok3571
      @bruhlolok3571 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@@全-l3z Anti-Radiation missiles can be shot down by current top spaa

  • @jasperhunter8386
    @jasperhunter8386 ปีที่แล้ว +385

    No way you survived the first 5 seconds of spawning in a plane, which is on the russian side.

    • @CatsAreAmazing8187
      @CatsAreAmazing8187 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Just don’t spawn when there’s SPAA up/don’t act dumb

    • @CatsAreAmazing8187
      @CatsAreAmazing8187 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Either way get owned play a tank lmao

    • @howitzer2839
      @howitzer2839 ปีที่แล้ว +66

      @@CatsAreAmazing8187you’re right my bad, lemme just use my spidey senses to find out of there is a pantsir lying around somewhere

    • @pluemas
      @pluemas ปีที่แล้ว +46

      ​@@CatsAreAmazing8187 how can you even know, the SPAAs models dont load in until your well within range 😂

    • @Event_LUNAE_Horizon
      @Event_LUNAE_Horizon ปีที่แล้ว +5

      just spawn tank and kill SPAA lol ez
      CAS garbage doesnt like "just spawn SPAA/own plane" argument turned on them huh?

  • @skybuprofen9834
    @skybuprofen9834 ปีที่แล้ว +150

    The "Deadly peek-a-boo" at top tier is actually somewhat reflective of real-world defensive armor tactics, known as "berm drills"

    • @pandovian_
      @pandovian_ ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Yup. In Abrams gunnery, whether you pass/fail has a lot to do with how much time you spend exposed above the berm. The whole ideal engagement is supposed to be be turret-down observation -> advance to hull-down to fire -> reverse back to turret-down observation.

    • @skybuprofen9834
      @skybuprofen9834 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@pandovian_ 19K all the way hooah

    • @alpenfoxvideo7255
      @alpenfoxvideo7255 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@pandovian_ the series "valley of tears" showed this in the Israel's centurions

    • @Samo_rust
      @Samo_rust 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nerd

  • @codexnrdc
    @codexnrdc ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I am actually malding while watching this. The amount of blaintant Soviet and Chineese bias is just insane. Ammo racks not going off, the Z-19 all the way to there being almost 0 shrapnell when you shoot a Chineese or Russian tank. Honestly we should all stop playing top tier.

  • @g09h
    @g09h ปีที่แล้ว +106

    Hey Odd you should play the Strv m/42 EH, it has a 75mm gun with more explosive filler then an IS-2, at a BR of 2.7. It also has -15 degrees of depression so I think it would be a fun little vehicle to play.

    • @Lanny.M
      @Lanny.M ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Pssst Swedish meat

    • @BacnManYT
      @BacnManYT ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Lanny.M Pssst Sweedish meat

    • @duolingobird8196
      @duolingobird8196 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      the spicy swedish meatball

    • @vonknorring09
      @vonknorring09 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Explosiv köttbulle

    • @AJ-zt4bb
      @AJ-zt4bb ปีที่แล้ว

      It got a APHE round now? Last I remember was that it's only good rounds were the solid shots

  • @monkey2184
    @monkey2184 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    I find it funny seeing the audio bugs and the fact that even you didn't hear the round that hit you at 8:28 which almost ammo racked you.

    • @yordobelps
      @yordobelps ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Ikr, it's new for this update. "Not being able to hear when you're shot at"

    • @duolingobird8196
      @duolingobird8196 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      a couple days ago I was driving around and when I tried to fire I noticed half my crew was gone along with my breach even though I didnt hear a shell hit me

    • @obsidianjane4413
      @obsidianjane4413 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      "Y R stuff flying off ma tank?!?" moments.

    • @_invencible_
      @_invencible_ ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@yordobelps sometimes i can’t hear or see anything. I just see my breech go red or whatever

  • @christianfarris3505
    @christianfarris3505 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    Keybind your Laser Designator to something that's easy to press.
    Whenever you roll out of gimbal limit it will automatically turn off but if you have it bought u can just turn it back on and the bomb will reacquire. A lot of those bomb drops were more than enough to be kills.

  • @Smashmous
    @Smashmous ปีที่แล้ว +87

    @OddBawZ 10:05 the green point is your laser bro... all you had to do was turn the laser back on. Because your optics with the red square were still focused on the point. That's why there's a shortcut for the laser. You could have done kills very easily in your video just turne the laser back on. 🤣
    PS: 31:28 Unlike the D Maverick, the A and B Maverick do not lock with IR but with black and white contrast. That's why they don't work in heavy rain or at night. However, the A Maverick only locks and tracks at about 3.5km. More or less depending on the size of the object to be locked. The B Maverick has a lock and tracking range of approximately 7km and the D has approximately 12km. Since the A-7D only has A Mavericks, it's no wonder you can't track on a 9km range like at 26:10

    • @Optimusprime56241
      @Optimusprime56241 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      He doesn’t play enough top tier so he has no idea how to do any of this lmao

    • @waraftermath4202
      @waraftermath4202 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah that happens sometimes when the laser goes off and you got to fly horizontally against SPAA so that they can’t easily train their missile on you. Flying Mach 1.1 or 1.2 with flare and chaff will make it harder for them to get you

    • @ActuallyNotIlmatar
      @ActuallyNotIlmatar ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Actually underrated comment. Where'd you get the numbers from?

    • @fire_drake12.arc.24
      @fire_drake12.arc.24 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mavericks in general are complete garbage. the IR mavericks are slightly more usable but its still a 50/50 if they even do damage. B mavericks are supposedly missing the low zoom lens from what i understand, and in general they need to remove the 6km limit on target tracking for them. Theyre practically useless until you're well within gun range or stinger range.

    • @Smashmous
      @Smashmous ปีที่แล้ว

      @@fire_drake12.arc.24 As I already said, the B track from almost exactly 7km and the D at about 12km. But the D are useless unless you have a Laser optik because they dont have zoom whatsoever. But if you have a Zoom like on the Harrier GR 7 you can do lots of dmg. The only reason they sometimes don't do much damage is because they don't have a tandem charge or because the HEAT beam is swallowed by modules like the breech. But if that doesn't happen, they do very good dmg.

  • @_spooT
    @_spooT ปีที่แล้ว +18

    wonder if they will eventually add jamming aircraft and make it work in game

    • @FuriousFire898
      @FuriousFire898 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Vulcan time ❤

    • @martindinner3621
      @martindinner3621 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      unfortunately it would have zero effect on optical/IR missiles...so even more Russian bias.

    • @alexmaximus9134
      @alexmaximus9134 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@martindinner3621You are aware that IR misssiles are used by NATO as well, right? And the most feared russian missile, the R-27ER, isn't even an IR missile.

  • @abdulwisimulaha9643
    @abdulwisimulaha9643 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I love how you actually put Spookston's decal all over the HSTVL

  • @brodymontague9433
    @brodymontague9433 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    I'm just waiting for SEAD and anti-radiation missiles to be added

    • @CounterClaws
      @CounterClaws ปีที่แล้ว +6

      F-4G!

    • @Kaiberus
      @Kaiberus ปีที่แล้ว +21

      to make the game fair they should just add a tactical nuke or a moab or a fucking tomahawk missile to every country except russia

    • @butthead6965
      @butthead6965 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I would totally just take sead missiles to shit on aa.

    • @axeavier
      @axeavier ปีที่แล้ว +3

      gaijin already said sead is useless against spaag, it's meant for bigger aa systems

    • @gaiofattos2
      @gaiofattos2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      They didn't even add fire and forget missile to Apache, imagine anti radiation missiles.

  • @ShmeuShmeu
    @ShmeuShmeu ปีที่แล้ว +38

    I feel a lot better knowing that even an extremely experienced player goes through all the same anger and suffering as I do at lower tiers. This game is never beating the Russian bias allegations if they don't make changes. Anyways, thanks for the video. Like always, I'm looking forward to seeing your channel pop up in my feed!

    • @alexrobertson557
      @alexrobertson557 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      tbf to the game about 50% of his issues in this one are that he has no idea how to use the tomcats weapon systems.

    • @Techno_Idioto
      @Techno_Idioto ปีที่แล้ว

      I chalk the Russian Bias up to Russian Nationalism and a desire to portray Russian vehicles as something they're not: Reliable, Effective, and not deathtraps.

  • @terenceblakely4328
    @terenceblakely4328 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I find it amusing that modern Russian gear sucks in rl but is supreme in game.

    • @grahamwebb7885
      @grahamwebb7885 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      But but... russian bias isn't real😢😢😢

  • @tkg__
    @tkg__ ปีที่แล้ว +22

    "There's no point fighting Russia at top tier" - this, exactly this.

  • @normal-potato05
    @normal-potato05 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    *Not a very likable* opinion, but I would like to say that as a Korean playing the Japanese tech tree, they should have a South Korean sub tree in Japan. (Ik ik)
    Ofc I would absolutely *love a South Korean tech tree* like Israel, I just doubt it’ll happen, and Ik the other Korean players would be *livid* if it was added to Japan, for reasons that I understand. I would love my nation to be in game, and also want the tech tree I play to be more flavorful.

    • @Jezza_C_WT
      @Jezza_C_WT ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think it would be awesome to have a dedicated Korean tech tree. When you think about it it would be a great addition to the game :)

    • @normal-potato05
      @normal-potato05 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Jezza_C_WT I would be so happy :>

    • @squidwardo7074
      @squidwardo7074 ปีที่แล้ว

      we should have tech trees for regions rather than countries (except the big 3 ofc, and maybe some ww2 heavy countries)

    • @Optimusprime56241
      @Optimusprime56241 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Jezza_C_WT it would basically be another China or Israel copypaste tree until top tier

  • @ivy7642
    @ivy7642 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Gaijin tries to model some realistic things (which almost never work well for the player), I wonder if the mavericks not locking is due to them trying to model sunlight scattering off of the snow, which can cause almost a ground-clutter effect in reality, but if they aren't trying to model that effect, shit's just broke mate. I stopped playing this crap a month ago lol.

    • @squidwardo7074
      @squidwardo7074 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      i only play when my friends ask. the game is just shit otherwise

    • @elchito3
      @elchito3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Another comment mentioned it, but the Mavericks didn't lock because they're the A model, which only has a range of 3.5km.

    • @darugdawg2453
      @darugdawg2453 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@elchito3 facepalm. f16 only use 65b in wt. even liking own comment cringe

  • @TrumpeterOnFire
    @TrumpeterOnFire ปีที่แล้ว +5

    BOMBCAT TIME

  • @rommelwhittman3995
    @rommelwhittman3995 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    NERF AAM ON THAT CHINESE SHIT....
    + SAM WARNING REALLY NEEDED
    + Contrail on spaa missile should be always shown

  • @monkerud2108
    @monkerud2108 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    top tier needs even larger maps, more players in a match and longer matches pretty much. and artillery players need a better long range mechanic, so they can take potshots at spaa at 5 km +, 30v 30 or larger matches with 3 central caps and two on each side that turn into spawn points when you get ab or ac and a nuke at 4000. would be more kool ja, maybe just throw in a couple of gamemode spesific universal backups for extra spawns and make them sp free for one type of ground vehicle each. maybe it would be more fun then for all types of players.

    • @monkerud2108
      @monkerud2108 ปีที่แล้ว

      problem is tho, that it clashes with realism, because if you have contested air spaces with anti air its a bit fucked to be flying like a gunslinger.

    • @Optimusprime56241
      @Optimusprime56241 ปีที่แล้ว

      No it doesn’t, it needs more players, not larger maps

  • @nogard015
    @nogard015 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I son't know much about top tier but I've always wondered if you could use teamwork by equiping a plane like the A6e with 8 flare/chaff pods to spawn before the plane with the bombs and juat deny locks to allow safe bombing

    • @OddBawZ
      @OddBawZ  ปีที่แล้ว +12

      It would work against newer players but against a seasoned player it wouldn't! :(

    • @grrr111222111
      @grrr111222111 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Unfortunately locks aren't required. They can be very helpful but very good players not only won't lock you they won't even have their radar on. It is entirely possible for a SAM to kill you with literally 0 warning.

    • @ZealothPL
      @ZealothPL ปีที่แล้ว

      I wonder if you can get the boyz together and just lag the server to death by everyone mass spamming crazy amount of flares

    • @squidwardo7074
      @squidwardo7074 ปีที่แล้ว

      a6e is too slow anyway unless you just perpetually notch i guess? but then half decent players just launch it manually and it wont matter

  • @Sengyizhe
    @Sengyizhe 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Its insane how poorly modeled american vehicles are in this game but how exhaderated and perfect russian ones are. Laughable company

  • @crusader-j4126
    @crusader-j4126 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I swear, Z-19's / KA-50/52 pilots just somehow either get 100% ignored or killed instantly on spawn.
    More the former for me in my experience, just bad teammates not paying attention or refusing to play a "support role" or go in CAS and destroy them.
    Ty-90 and 9M39 are almost impossible to dodge as they have this NACK to fly thought flares and hit you anyway.

    • @kostab92
      @kostab92 ปีที่แล้ว

      AAMs with ECCM are completely flare resistant. The thing is that majority of these missiles have fairly short guidance time and around 10G overload so it's not uncommon for supersonic jets to dodge them by accident.

    • @magnum6763
      @magnum6763 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kostab92 in game, yea they are completely unflareable. IRL though they can be flared, its just a really shoddy mechanic in WT

  • @declanpm8578
    @declanpm8578 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I've honestly found that drag bombs are far more worthwhile than the regular or guided bombs. You get to come in low and fast, usually the enemy radar can't ping you.

    • @jmarttal
      @jmarttal ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Dumb bombs are always fire-and-forget. 😅

  • @sentinelxcix2526
    @sentinelxcix2526 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hi Odd, sorry if this is patronising but you can set a key bind that toggles the laser designator, so you can re-enable it after you’ve had to roll and the bomb can still guide in

  • @Grunt_11Hotel
    @Grunt_11Hotel ปีที่แล้ว +3

    8:28 mark, same bug I'm getting: getting hit and damaged and no sound to it....look at the ammo/crew. No sound, parts fly off, ammo and crew turn yellow/black.

  • @AusExplorer
    @AusExplorer ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Laser guided munitions on jets are pointless. You're better off just dumb dropping them using the bomb computer since they do actually fly quite far.

  • @garmfield2977
    @garmfield2977 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    cas when they're unable to space bomb.

  • @justinlamp4181
    @justinlamp4181 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    You have to use the GBU-24 Paveway III's that have IOG (Internal Optical Guidance) which allows you to drop them like a standard GBU. But they have their own onboard guidance system that work the same way mavericks do by using their own laser and tracker.

    • @ChristianNelsonn
      @ChristianNelsonn ปีที่แล้ว +2

      GBUs don't have their own laser.
      No laser guided weapon has its own laser.

    • @_invencible_
      @_invencible_ ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ChristianNelsonn yeah and mavericks don't use lasers either

    • @ChristianNelsonn
      @ChristianNelsonn ปีที่แล้ว

      @@_invencible_ The E model does.

    • @jonleg12312
      @jonleg12312 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      it's inertial orientation guidance, it doesn't have it's own laser. all it does is try to keep going roughly where it was last pointed, it's not accurate to hit a target, just to keep the bomb on it's course

    • @masterhacker7065
      @masterhacker7065 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ChristianNelsonn The E model isnt in game..

  • @SpazzGibbon
    @SpazzGibbon ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i want to play the top tier stuff, the cool shit. but the pantsir keeps ruining my day. the snail thought it was a good idea to put a Russian AA system from 2012 to smash up 70s aircraft

  • @charlesmurphy5644
    @charlesmurphy5644 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I’m convinced, don’t spawn a plane in top tier!😹

  • @canniballistic555
    @canniballistic555 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You know you actually seemed to be doing quite well even though youre moaning.
    Especially when you consider that you dont normally think of a low flying F14 dropping paveways when you imagine CAS... I get part of the problem is WT spawns you right on top of the fight in GRB but still... and those are OG Mavericks so they are old TV missiles, not IR missiles, if DCS has taught me anything its how useless cold war era optical sensors are compared to IR ones.

  • @1starflash291
    @1starflash291 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wonders how he lost a lock. Dont FLY UPSIDE DOWN

  • @ogscarl3t375
    @ogscarl3t375 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    To be honest aircraft in tank rb have had it easy for too long I for one am glad to see top tier tank rb be a no fly zone. It's nice that the tank mode is actually a tank mode at least at this br bracket it is a shame however that top br tank gameplay is absolute cancer to play which makes this slight reprieve from aircraft spam rather hollow.

  • @JackKrauser28
    @JackKrauser28 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Odd, try to make a collab with @hunter , he is a master on cas on top tier and how to defeat pantisir and tor-M1s

  • @calmlikeabomb1984
    @calmlikeabomb1984 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Snail always try to balance things by unbalance things and f it up for another couple of weeks until they try to fix the fix....this company is so bad, we cheering it for something - absolutly common - like a road map or listen to his own community. *facepalm*

  • @slid883
    @slid883 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    11 km aa missle fire forget thats really balanced XD

  • @namaanda5349
    @namaanda5349 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I dont mind OP AA on top tier, but they have to give the opposite nation the equal one too.

    • @benisrood
      @benisrood ปีที่แล้ว

      You assume the opposite nation *has* equivalently good AA.

  • @jawk007
    @jawk007 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Honestly i dont feel bad for cas, let people playing ground enjoy playing instead of getting bombed every single match after 5 minuts

  • @davelydon4378
    @davelydon4378 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    For comparison take the Russian side out doing the same thing…. The difference is amazing

  • @ExcavationNation
    @ExcavationNation ปีที่แล้ว +1

    8:26 looks like you lost your sleeping bag for some reason?

  • @darkhawkgaming3238
    @darkhawkgaming3238 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Would be great if the panstir and tor weren't the only working aa

  • @demmemess4456
    @demmemess4456 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i use the new ballute bombs on the bombcat, i get amazing results. They’re perfect for avoiding most missile spaas and flying in near mach and flying out.

  • @erehwon80
    @erehwon80 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Top tier is a complete mess, and I have no intention of ever playing up there even if I reach it.

  • @MrTurkeytoe
    @MrTurkeytoe ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You tried the F-4S with the zunis? Actually works pretty well if you keep your eyes peeled and play cautiously.
    The rockets overpressure MBTs and there's none of the guided bomb screwing around with them needing to be babysat.

    • @ICECAPPEDSKY
      @ICECAPPEDSKY ปีที่แล้ว

      This is honestly why the drag bombs are relatively okay. Just flying low and fast and carpet bombing a cap that’s being captured and leaving before spaa’s can get a lock. Or being careful and bombing the enemy spawn to hopefully pick off a Pantsir

  • @nicholasdancer9795
    @nicholasdancer9795 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Just today I had visited one F-14 A on display in Kansas with my father who worked on those aircraft for 15 years. It seems fitting to me to watch a video right after that on the same aircraft. Great video Odd!

    • @blackice3820
      @blackice3820 ปีที่แล้ว

      What city in Kansas is this at?

  • @-SkyCat-
    @-SkyCat- ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Jamming aircraft and Anti Radar Missiles are needed and the US is Best at these!

  • @knowndogs2429
    @knowndogs2429 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think the Snail doesn't like you.

  • @ssvensic
    @ssvensic ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Playing anything but russia at top tier is a waste of time and money

  • @Xtraicee_
    @Xtraicee_ ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It is crazy how broken the wt sound system is... 8:26 he got shot at but it made no sound at all... wow

  • @ALonelyCorsair
    @ALonelyCorsair ปีที่แล้ว +1

    can you give us some f4u 4b action? pwease

  • @halooord
    @halooord ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm already struggling in 9.7 with constant uptiers. 💀

  • @ponz-
    @ponz- ปีที่แล้ว +2

    8:28 you were hit with no noise whatsoever and that shit keeps happening to me it’s pretty annoying when you have no idea that you were hit and shoot then you find out your loaders dead 😂

    • @Kaiberus
      @Kaiberus ปีที่แล้ว

      yeah same, or when the game just knows its bullshit and doesnt actually show the killcam/death cam and just instantly sends you to the respawn screen

  • @carpking09
    @carpking09 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi

  • @MrTheWaterbear
    @MrTheWaterbear ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I totally agree. I immediately got hunted by R27ERs and AIM7s, not to mention Chinese Heli AA missiles. No counter-play against the latter, I just died A LOT. SPAAs are dead, and so is CAS, lol.
    Age of AA jets is upon us!

  • @Mushyboy_
    @Mushyboy_ ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love your stuff odd. I wish I was at top tier but mid tier is the best, most fun and decent games

  • @Jezza_C_WT
    @Jezza_C_WT ปีที่แล้ว +14

    As a CAS enthusiast myself, who is yet to reach top tier, I can't say this video is making me feel like I'm missing out on much 😅

    • @ideadlift20kg83
      @ideadlift20kg83 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      CAS above 7.3 is just pure aids IMO.

    • @darkstonefire
      @darkstonefire ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@ideadlift20kg83no it’s still useable there, at 8.0 it gets rough and 8.3 it becomes impossible

    • @Optimusprime56241
      @Optimusprime56241 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ^bs comments, top tier cas is busted

    • @magnum6763
      @magnum6763 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@darkstonefire 8.7 works well, but once you fight SACLOS missile SAMs, its joever.

    • @darkstonefire
      @darkstonefire ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@magnum6763 8.7 works well for aircraft with atgm which isn’t many. gun runs, bombing, and other ground attack methods all have a cutoff I just feel there’s a serious drop in usable aircraft at that br

  • @panzerjagertigerausf.b
    @panzerjagertigerausf.b ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Day 1 of asking to play Tor-M1

  • @mavor101
    @mavor101 ปีที่แล้ว

    This video is a great example of how useless CAS planes are in this game when people have a brain and spawn decent ground AA and/or OP helicopters that have better AA missiles than 12.0 dedicated dogfighters.
    In RL, helos are not immune to radar & IR missiles like they are in WT. Helos should be getting absolutely slammed by radar missiles especially with the massive signature their rotors create. Instead, however, Gaijin chooses to give helo players basically complete immunity to both IR and Radar missiles, forcing even the absolute highest tier of planes to gun run them, sometimes not even killing helos that are AFK and not dodging.
    Absolutely retarded.

  • @noname-wo9yy
    @noname-wo9yy ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You should use unguided bombs and lob them in at the spaa. Most of the time they are clueless. Always fun with the il28 and the 3000lb bombs

    • @pedrolft9010
      @pedrolft9010 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Il28 doesent face pantsirs

  • @faranghis5671
    @faranghis5671 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    it might be great to see a vid about french top tier with Leclerc and mirage 2000 for cas

  • @Collat3ralD4mage
    @Collat3ralD4mage ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The thing is that the Pantsir is now super op because the Roland’s and MIMs have been nerfed to the ground leaving Russia to be the only team with a good spaa

  • @Polish_Pierogi516
    @Polish_Pierogi516 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    All the homies hate the panstir.

  • @MathyPlaysGames
    @MathyPlaysGames ปีที่แล้ว

    DAY 11 : @OddBawZ i love the content and i have a request can you please play the Swedish BKAN 1C !

  • @420BulletSponge
    @420BulletSponge ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good old VF-74, I chocked and chained their aircraft on deck thousands of times.

  • @rvdz9069
    @rvdz9069 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can you do a revisit of the Object 248? It's been 10 months and it has a slightly higher BR now but I'm interested to see if it still slaps

  • @SHEEPS_123
    @SHEEPS_123 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    hey odd you said you were gonna play the xm803 and never did, you should take it out spookston has been asking for the vid

  • @dauntless_3496
    @dauntless_3496 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Honestly, I'm just waiting for the F18 to be in War Thunder.

    • @rollastudent
      @rollastudent ปีที่แล้ว

      They aren’t ready for the M-D smoke

    • @dauntless_3496
      @dauntless_3496 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rollastudent Yeah I guess that makes sense.

  • @Patriccist
    @Patriccist 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I just dont understand why we are playing differnet games. The way you roll on the hill and nobody shoots you.. just just turn their sides on your and looks like they cantsee you. wtfff. If I dare play like this, i get annihilated the first second I show my turret

  • @whyserious9082
    @whyserious9082 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    well Russia and China gotta have the good things in game since IRL its absolute crap

  • @somaticapollo6025
    @somaticapollo6025 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    7:25 that, sir, is the 9m123 (550 m/s) , fired by the khrizantema, which is the fastest ground fired atgm in the game, which is also faster than some SAMs, like the roland 1 (500 m/s)

  • @ozoahameg3582
    @ozoahameg3582 ปีที่แล้ว

    seriously US top tier is borderline unplayable its almost guaranteed lose
    ADATS is 50/50 on stationary target and 20/80 on anything that moves above 100km/h
    and USSR's CAS can only be countered reliably by using jets but USSR's SAMS are godtier compared to others

  • @baderq8ty99
    @baderq8ty99 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    massive tip for top tier CAS, just use fire and forget missiles like the K29T/TD and AGM65s (D variant is the best), or fire and forget bombs at least then use the laser guided things after you destroyed all the SPAA, if you don't have any fire and forget weapons at least use laser guided missiles because they will reach the target faster, but at that point honestly i prefer just using dumb rockets or guns to clear the SPAA.

  • @emptyforrest
    @emptyforrest ปีที่แล้ว

    Vikhr being blatantly OP and ruined top tier for years Gaijin: That is fine. viggen not getting aim120 on viggen upgrade package wich the reason for the upgrade is to enable aim120. Gaijin: NOO that would be OP.

  • @vizender
    @vizender ปีที่แล้ว

    Z19, ka50, and pantsirs have the ability to deny any CAS flying around from miles away. Meanwhile, the VT1 is near useless, the platforms they’re are used on are even worse (to the point Roland’s are actually better lol), the ADAT has been nerfed to the ground, and other nations don’t even have anything close to being half as decent (Japan lol), so Russian+chinease teams are completely rolling on other nations thanks to their complete CAS and anti CAS dominance

  • @Omega_Mark
    @Omega_Mark ปีที่แล้ว

    Damn, I'm so fucken pissed rn. I just checked and my Chinese PT-76 got removed from my tt. I knew they will remove it, so I added some thousands of RP researched on it and it used to be enough just to have some RP researched to keep it there for later. Now, with the awesomeness that gajoobles is, the tank is gone anyway. I never saw any change to this and I don't fricken have to scour the stupid new iteration of WT forum just to know that gajoobles will screw us again. Btw, nice timing with that removal and the change of the whole procedure. Looks like they look for ways to screw us again. Where are my RP points that I grinded? Why the sudden change to something that worked for the last 10 fricken years??? I'm so fkn tired of this gajoobles bs. There are no words to describe it how anti-consumer they are.

  • @jasulden
    @jasulden ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It is sad to see that the people who make this game cannot make the aircraft behave like they should or do. But I guess they need to maybe ask more about how these aircraft handled in real combat.

    • @josephreyes9264
      @josephreyes9264 ปีที่แล้ว

      We’ll a real life f14 can pick up to 30 aircraft on radar and launch a missile at several targets while maintaining locks, that would just break the game as American nation is superior in real life but Russian bias is a thing and game balance.

  • @dangerquad
    @dangerquad ปีที่แล้ว +2

    All ways a good day when oddbawz uploads

  • @buffka5023
    @buffka5023 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good old nato getting absolutely rolled by RU teams with their copium vehicles. Best course of action to balance blatantly overpowered vehicles… add a pantsir to protect them from being CASd. Joke devs.

  • @teleman07
    @teleman07 ปีที่แล้ว

    War Thunder is a game literally designed for about max 8.0 br (no thermals, no homing missiles, no laser rangefinders, no guided bombs etc.) I have quit my main country which I made to top br and just decided to have fun and do other countries up to and including tier 5.

  • @WrecklessLAW
    @WrecklessLAW ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh no, air vehicles aren't OP enough in Ground battles. It's a real shame there isn't an air gamemode for people who want to use planes.
    This game is so broken, 5 minutes of headless rushing followed by 10 minutes of spawn camping, it's almost fun.

  • @benjaminjohnson6476
    @benjaminjohnson6476 ปีที่แล้ว

    We are gathered here to day to celebrate luve twue luve. Luve between Oddbawz and The SU-57B wishing for another long life! Day 43 you know what to do Odd!

  • @ChristianNelsonn
    @ChristianNelsonn ปีที่แล้ว

    Above 10.0 it really is pointless to spawn a plane for CAS. Even if the spawn point was something like 100 instead of 700+, it's still not worth it as the SPAA is simply too powerful with a long range and gives you little to no chance to fly over the battle area at any altitude you need to effectively drop bombs or strafe.
    That being said, when you lose sight of the target during maneuvers, as long as you have the red square over it you can simply re-enable your laser designator once you unmask your targeting pod.
    The targeting pod, at least in real life, keeps track of the coordinates and altitude of your marked target. So even when your pod loses sight of it, it automatically picks it up as soon as you unmask it again.
    This is partly modeled in the game. Jjust turn your laser on again by pressing whatever key you assigned to it.
    In real life, the GBU type bombs don't actually keep tracking as soon as you drop them. This is both for safety and for the effectiveness of delivery, as if the bomb follows the designator too early, it can shed too much energy due to wing deflection and fail to reach its target.
    This is why pilots will only enable the laser after some time has passed following drop.
    This too is modeled in the game it looks like. If you follow your bomb you will see it freefall for a while and then start tracking. And if you turn your laser off during the tracking phase and turn it on again you will see that the bomb start free falling and then start retracking.
    Which means that in theory, you have a limited window of time where having your laser turned on or off doesn't matter.
    However, your bomb needs to have sufficient energy and altitude for you to be able to get away with a few seconds off laser.
    All of this is to say that those times when you lost tracking due to manuvering, you could've simply re-enabled your laser again and have a chance to hit the target.

  • @wmolders8160
    @wmolders8160 ปีที่แล้ว

    It is reflective of real life. Russia invested in excellent anti-air, US wastes money on aircraft that just get shot down easily. Russia gets lots of artillery and anti-tank, Leapard 2A6s get annihilated. It seems pretty simple. if you invest in lots of cheap but effective things that destroy expensive things, you'll win.

  • @Copenhayden
    @Copenhayden ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So it costs ~750 SP to spawn this at top tier, yet the A-10 costs over 1000 with a comparable load out… smh

    • @Northern00
      @Northern00 ปีที่แล้ว

      To be fair the A10 at 10.0 has the ability to outrage even Roland’s, especially if they have a single braincell
      This is 12.0, and has no mavericks or anything TV guided, so totally different ball game IMO

    • @LizardSkin
      @LizardSkin ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The real joke is how expensive ground belts are for A10… ya know the thing the A10 is known for.. its gun. You have to have an insane start to a game to use both ordinance and ground belts. Which is stupid imo

  • @type-10
    @type-10 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't understand how Pantsirs are so effective when I watch TH-cam videos and yet whenever I play top tier Russia the Pantsirs aren't even slightly useful. I have never seen a Pantsir in my team shoot anything down, not even once. I once saw 2 Pantsirs in the same place, both aiming up at the sky and turning their turrets as if to try and visually identify an enemy aircraft, and then I got buttfucked by an F-16.

  • @t10god
    @t10god ปีที่แล้ว +1

    boy, top tier looks SO fun!

  • @gigimilano6757
    @gigimilano6757 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am still hoping for a no plane tank mode

  • @general11871
    @general11871 ปีที่แล้ว

    I mean these tactics don’t really work I warthunder because people just keep spawning in new tanks with fresh loads of sams. You’re really meant to jus tho wild weasel and turn 180 the second it launches to exhaust the launchers ammo. Can’t do that in thunder because map size and massively small time limit due to spawn tickets

  • @matthewjohnson789
    @matthewjohnson789 ปีที่แล้ว

    So, we have LGB’s in WT. When do y’all think the Snail People will succumb to modern times and add TQ+?

  • @josephreyes9264
    @josephreyes9264 ปีที่แล้ว

    SPAA needs a nerf escpecially Russian a 12 mile lock and launch range is insane you can’t do anything, you spawn and already have to start evading and it can still lock fine through clouds. Yet you can’t keep CAS on target because of clouds you can’t lock so then you have to do manually laser target and you can’t do that when having to roll and dodge sure the jet is a 2 seater but there’s still only one player controlling it

  • @willmartin1033
    @willmartin1033 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm assuming 30,000ft of altitude is out of date with Pantsir now? All the attacks here are 10,000ft and below it looks like.

  • @IceMarsoc77
    @IceMarsoc77 ปีที่แล้ว

    lol my dude when you dropping those tv guided bombs you cannot roll... that underbelly must be level or facing the target.. the moment you roll opposite good bye lock.... you might needs to play more top tier more often good sir..... If you ever heard of Hunter he does top tier RB all the time its advice i got from him when i started playing top tier RB.... not to say your not an excellent player, but practice does make perfect

  • @RollingThunder911
    @RollingThunder911 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ngl i replaced almost all of my top tier CAS for every Nation except Russia... Yeah fair and balanced

  • @Swag_king423
    @Swag_king423 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When I play the F14B in ground RB. I instantly turn around and CLIMB try to get 15+ km away and 20-30k ft high than turn back and find a target. The even the pantsir rockets struggle getting that high that fast so you can sometimes outrun them typically I’ll get 2 bomb kills in a good match 4+. But the Russian bias is strong

    • @MrTheWaterbear
      @MrTheWaterbear ปีที่แล้ว

      I tried this precisely, only to get immediately smashed by R27ER.
      Next match the same thing happened, as I got locked up by a spawning Russian jet. So I zoomed to the deck and immediately ate a YT missile from a Chinese Heli.
      I can’t. I just can’t. It takes the GBU a million years to fall on target from that range, even if you have some speed. MiG27K is still king of top tier CAS, just because it’s munition flies incredibly fast and packs enough explosive.

  • @melle1996meijer
    @melle1996meijer ปีที่แล้ว

    Planes are fun at low BR but then its still pray there isnt a spitfire or BF109 clap you before you get your bombs off cause for some reason when ever i spawn a bomber the enemy spawns a fighter 😂😢😂

  • @Caktusdud.
    @Caktusdud. ปีที่แล้ว

    Just take like a biplane to top tier.
    Who needs jets?
    Biplanes and the good old bomb.
    They'll never know.

  • @chaoslink1158
    @chaoslink1158 ปีที่แล้ว

    What about top tier is enjoyable to players exactly? I don’t see the appeal whatsoever. The game basically plays itself. For players that actually like top tier, what is it that draws you to it?

  • @caesar5380
    @caesar5380 ปีที่แล้ว

    And the OTOMATIC for gaijin is 0.4 lower than the pantsir?daaaamn

  • @galaxy_man7759
    @galaxy_man7759 ปีที่แล้ว

    CAS deserves to get destroyed. Instead of adding copy and paste tanks they should add a ground realistic battle mode with only ground vehicles.