"With the new auto buffs, i think the mythoclast will be a top tier weapon" -josh hamrick (bungie) Lmao they really are useless at balancing weapons arent they?
In PvE, if you have a heavy weapon with surplus, like the VoG machine gun "Corrective Measure" you don't have to worry about ammo for the Vex Mythoclast. Surplus applies to all weapons when having a gun equipped with the perk.
I don't know if it's just my play style, but I genuinely enjoy using Vex in pvp. I found it to be very capable. If the primary source of comparison is based on performance against other weapons, then yeah, it's probably not the best choice. But I had a blast with it.
I'm very pleased with my K/D while using Mythoclast. The range is shite, but most Destiny maps are fairly close quarter, so it's not a real issue. Whenever I have a bounty that requires primary kills, Vex is going to be my go-to weapon of choice.
Patrick Casey ....I have been watching your content since the PD days, and 3 years later, I am STILL incredibly thankful for all the work and tedious effort you put into making these reviews time and time again! Outstanding Guardian, Nice Work!
Before you read my comment, keep in mind that I am a HUGE fan of this weapon, as I used it to go flawless in year 1 and it was my go-to PVP weapon in year 1. Also, once I got it year 3, I thought it was absolutely terrible until I forced myself to use it and developed a feel for it. That being said: While I do agree almost 100% with this review, I still SHRED people in PVP with the Vex Mythoclast. I cannot emphasize "shred" enough and I am NOT great at PVP either. At the end of a match, I tend to have a KD of 1.5 on average. I cannot really explain what is going on with this gun, to be honest. That clip that was shown in this video where the player with no shields took an embarrassingly long time to kill, sadly I also occasionally run into circumstances like this and it send me into a blind rage as well, haha. However, there are also moments I cannot explain where I will kill a player with about 3 to 5 non-critical hits. The gun just seems very random. As the video stated, it is GREAT in PVE, but in PVP it has to be on the right level, and even then you have to adjust your play style so that you can close the gap in order to get into that hand cannon range to be competitive. That being said, I do think the Vex Mythoclast can easily go toe-to-toe with hand cannons, you just have to learn how to use the weapon. What I mean by this is that the Vex Mythoclast takes a bit of practice to get a feel of where the shots will go and to get the behavior of the gun down. As you said in the review, the weapon is NOT hit-scan and has the incredibly high aim-assist that actually hurts the performance of the gun. However, once you get to where you feel you really know this gun, I actually vastly prefer it on close-quarters maps. I consistently beat hand cannons and pulse rifles close up, and it's actually really nice to be able to break away from the smothering meta of hand cannons that is currently in place. Everything I just said in regards to PVP only applies to regular crucible and on close to mid-range maps. I would NEVER suggest using this weapon on a large map where you cannot close the distance. I would also NEVER suggest using this at a long range, as you will get DESTROYED by literally any other weapon in the game, and I will NEVER use this in trials again. EVER. Even if the trials map is small and you are VERY confident, I just feel that trials operates on a whole different meta and you will just get DESTROYED. Even after feeling that I developed a unique understanding for the weapon that most did not, I tried this weapon in trials and got completely destroyed. It was awful. This is why you will see such mixed reviews for the weapon- I feel very strongly that an extended use needs to be applied to the weapon in order to fully acquire a feel for it in PVP. I find that people that consistently use it for a longer period of time develop that "feel" that I keep referencing and then they love it. Others that just use it for a few matches or days for reviews, challenges, etc., do not get that "feel" for the weapon and end up thinking it is not a great weapon, when it can be. TLDR:-GREAT in PVE-GREAT in PVP (But you need to get a feel for the weapon after LOTS of practice, and should only be used on small to mid-range maps). -NEVER use on large maps or at a long range. -NEVER, EVER, EVER use in trials. Ever. Ever. Ever ever ever.
All the negatives aside, if your shots are accurate, that's 39 to the head which kills in 5-6 bolts depending on the enemy's armor rating. And it fires faster than the Suros. That's a pretty good ttk.
It would IF, and a big IF, your shots actually decided to be accurate. The Mythoclast is not pinpoint like the rest of the primaries and actually has a sort of "pre-bloomed" cone of fire. Landing a precision shot is a total roll of the dice at anything further than a meter.
Sol Ace That's true for I'd say about 90% of encounters. However, Mr. Casey seems to do really well with the Vex, even with those odds. I think it's safe to say that the Vex is still viable depending on your skill and/or luck. And let's not forget those moments where crowd control destroys the opponent, like at 2:15.
The vex can, and does melt in pvp. Its problem is that it's a fusion, so its recoil behaves like a fusion. Nothing stat buffs or anything thing else could do to improve it. I think it's actually in a decent state as it competes in short to medium range, even better than tlw.
Got kinda mad at Bungie when Deej said "sometimes you shouldn't buff a weapon but tone down everything else" just because of the whole hitscan issue, and spread of the bullets, reliability at hand cannon range (like it was before) etc. It was a perfect, PERFECT gun in PvP in the period between Dark Below and House of Wolves, where it worked at it's intended range and very well at that, and you felt accurate with the weapon while not being OP. And it rewarded a skilled hand.
I've been experimenting in solar burn heroics this week, and honestly, when I have an adept Vision of Confluence or an adept Abyss Defiant (both of which are great), why would anyone use the Vex when you have to go scrounging for ammo every 2 minutes? It's a similar problem that hand cannons had throughout most of year 2, but worse.
For PvP, I've been torn with this gun's perk tree. Extended Mag would allow the crowd control perk to be taken advantage of, but on the other hand, Send It boots the range and "accuracy", and for those who don't know, range on fusion rifles increase projectile speed, and projectile speed is crucial on non hitscan weapons. Also, Holtz, I would suggest that you stay away from Smart Drift Control because Linear Compensator does its stability job better and gives the gun more damage and range.
Excellent review and completely on point. As excited as it was to get after Atheon went down and infuse instantly to max light. The performance in almost any situation has been disappointing. I have great memories of grinding for this gun year one. But unless your impressing folks in the tower or have enemies bunched up on a control point its an exotic novelty.
I was lucky enough to get the Mythoclast on reset day this week through my first VoG clear. Yes, it is FUN in solar strikes this week. That's about it though, it's pretty much useless everywhere else. Its only perk for the raid is it being able to disintegrate Supplicants before they explode, something any legendary fusion rifle can do though. Useless in PvP, useless in 90% of PvE activities. I'll tell you though, using it this week in strikes and having people immediately turn around when they hear the gun and inspect you, is worth it. I even got a message on PSN in the form of "you're very lucky you got it". That's the gun's worth. It's a novelty.
I actually got this weapon in my first VoG run and I love it. It melts in PvE and it's actually decent in PvP. Since they announced that it was coming back, I got so happy 😀😀😀
I remember using this weapon in pvp in June and absolutely destroying everything, ended up get top of the leaderboard in almost every game, and here was the best part...I don't even play pvp, I only did it age of triumph and wanted to try out vex Mythoclast as if it was the glory days, and it still has it
I think we can all agree on some key buffs to the gun. Slightly increase the damage to 40-30 Straighten the recoil to be purely vertical with no horizontal kick at all Slightly increase stability and range Buff magazine size to 25-28 by default and Extended Mag to 32-35 Increase the reserve size to 10-12 magazines total in reserve (between 200/250 and 280/336) based on base magazine Increase the reload speed from 72 to 80 Done. Still not OP because it's damage profile barely changed, it's stats are slightly better, it has more ammo for PvE, and it's still a projectile weapon instead of hitscan.
Back in Dark Below, Vex was a great gun that everyone wanted while Nechrochasm was the gun that was laughably bad with a tough side quest. Now in Age of Triumph, Nechrochasm is a pretty decent gun while Vex can't match up anymore. My my, how the tables have turned.
lucasfish17 I would have to disagree there. Shortly after the HM VoG came out, Vex ruled for maybe about 2-3 weeks. Then neutered with a patch. Bungie then rolled back on some of those nerfs, but at that point Vex's rep was absolutely destroyed. Then Fusion rifle stability and range nerf came. Then 1.1.1 dropped.... let's just say Vex got more than an 8.7% damage nerf. A lot more. Then almost every change done to Autos and Fusion negatively affected Vex until about The Taken King dropped.
David A What I'm trying to say is, Vex is the new Nechrochasm, and Nechrochasm is the new Vex. Vex was known for being a top tier raid exotic while Nechrochasm was lacking something. It didn't compare to Vex in the expectations we had hoped for. In a combination of what I've been hearing and what I've seen in this video, Vex isn't like it used to be. Now, I had the game in Vanilla, but I didn't start fully playing until Dark Below, so my comparisons might not have been completely accurate since I was still new to the game. I apologize for that, but I was just trying to make an ironic connection seeing that Vex was known for how good it was, how Nechrochasm was the opposite, and how now the roles have switched.
lucasfish17 I see what you're trying to do with the whole ironic view point, but Necrochasm is only wanted for the ornament and to complete the exotic weapon kiosk and the book.
Vex was my main weapon for PvP in year one, and I can definitely say the only thing it needs is a range buff, in a way that it would be able to hit stuff more reliably. About a possible stability buff, it wouldn't be that bad, but it isn't needed. Edit: Also, I think linear compensator is the best option, it makes the recoil a little bit harder to control, but that extra impact and range you get are totally worth it.
Do you feel like if there was a significant ammo buff and the mythoclast was made hitscan, it would be a strong weapon? Just curious, in your personal opinion, what fixes do you think would bring this gun up to standard?
I know this video is older but one important pvp factor is it counts as a pulse rifle so the bounties form the crucible quartermaster that are fusion rifle kills will be easy because vex doesn't loss ammo on death
Being a year 1 player, I was so happy to finally get it today, and with the ornament no less. It's fun to use and it looks awesome, but it's maddening to not have control over where half your shots land. Still, I'm compelled to use it more.
I don't get why people say this gun is trash. I just got the gun today and my first game of rumble gave me a 17k,4d match with only the vex. The problem is that people treat the gun like an auto rifle. You have to be patient with the vex just like all of the other fusion rifles. I need to make my own reviews!
The vex needs reduced travel time on rounds fired, an increased magazine size al well as possibly double the reserve ammo. A 5% damage buff wouldn't go amiss either.
Doesn't need a damage buff, but it does need increased stability, reduced travel time on rounds, and a big fucking buff on ammo, in magazine and reserves.
I love the Mythoclast toward the end of year 1 it was in the perfect place it was usable in pvp and pve but it's trash now, but it's my fav gun so I intend to use it in both pve and pvp for the remainder of Destiny 1
I still love the vex but it is a shadow of its former self. It does work in pvp on short range maps like cauldron or anamoly but it frequently gets destroyed by side arms. Still one of my favourite guns to use though. The look, feel and sound of the gun are amazing and it is just so different from every other gun in the game. Haven't been lucky enough to get a year 3 one but used to pull it out whenever it was solar burn and small arms in strikes. Could do with a slight buff in stability and in stored ammo.
TBH I think this gun is probably like the nlb. It isn't good at first and it takes extreme practice with it, and with the extreme practice, it makes a great reward.
You need to use linear compensator on this gun. The penalty when you use smart drift is too high since it requires a 5 crit/1 body kill versus a 3 crit/3 body with linear comp. Just start at the body and rely on zen moment when you move to the head.
Patrick, i understand that Vex Mythoclast being non-hitscan may suck, but why does the Dreg's Promise work so well throughout pvp? I guess it could just be stats on the weapon or the perks that come with it...
Patrick casey, I agree that the weapon is unstable at most, However when you do the test to kill someone, you were jumping. Vex is like any other fusion stay on the ground and slide....
Patrick, did you know that fusion rifle ammo bonuses don't increase the vex's ammo? You are more powerful in he community, and I was hoping you would address it in your vid
I think a lot of peoples problem is they full auto the gun. You can tap fire it pretty fast in order to get a pretty fast ttk that's also a lot more accurate. You're really only supposed to full auto the gun when someone is almost point blank to you.
This my favourite Destiny weapon of all time for no logical or practical reason. I just adore it. Is it still just a random drop from Atheon (at 390 light)? Does using Knuckles of Eao increase the chance of it dropping?
David Coulter yes it is random. Don't know if Knuckes affects it or not. Got one a couple days ago... It drops at 360 light and has to be infused higher.
David Coulter Yes Knuckles of Eao affect the drop rate. While no you won't be getting two Vex's at once, you will get Atheon drops twice, so you have a much better chance of getting it with Knuckles.
Don't care what others think, for an end game raid exotic it should have been brought back close to what made it the most coveted exotic before the nerf. My clan mate got the Vex and used it on our second run at the VOG before switching back to another primary weapon. Said the limited ammo just wasn't worth using it. Still, I'll be happy if and when it drops for me and hope it gets a buff before Destiny 2, after which I won't give a damn about it. :-)
Can someone explain to me what does it mean for a weapon to have or not have "hitscan" and travel time? I've been playing this game from the beginning but I honestly never got too technical with it.
Kenshi0909 it refers to any first person shooter but a hitscan means if you're aiming a gun at something and shoot it'll take damage automatically almost like the gun and the target are tied together but since it's not a hitscan that means the gun actually fires bullets that take time to reach the target.
So true. Got mine yesterday and run out of ammo all the time. They should have buffed the ammo to 400 at least. It's good that it doesn't work in PvP. It's an anti-every enemy Hive/Vex/Cabal weapon.
I would love to see a game mode in destiny where every weapon didnt have hitscan. I think it would present a fun challenge, and show a gmaers real skill and ability to use certain weapons in a match. Dont k ow if the enging could handle keeping track of hundreds of extra objects, but I still think it would be an interesting mode or at least a small scale experiment.
Jason Lu small arms since it's a primary just imagine small arms and solar burn on a nightfall Vex and along with other raid weapons (VoC and Abyss Defiant) would dominate
Make Vex Mythoclast great again! Give it more ammo reserves, remove the bloom, fix it's jumpy recoil, make it hit-scan and make it USEABLE! I just recently got it from Vault of Glass and I'm so disappointed that it's basically useless right now! :(
I never thought I'd see the day where the NLB gets nerfed, sidearms are the meta, and the necrochasm plays better than the Vex Mythoclast. Oh do you hear that? It's the fat lady singing to the pigs flying around because hell froze over....
i gotta say tho, if you time your shots better you wont have that many ammo problems in pve. it does around the same amount of damage as my solar harrowed qullim's terminus when its a solar burn, i still think they should buff the ammo reserves but i've only ran out of ammo like 3 times this week using it.
100% agree this gun is nothing like year. I give it 3/10. In pvp and pve Lack of reserve ammo and stability and range and damage make it a poor choice. Ill stick with my necrocasm better in so many ways
the problem with all exotics, for pve at least, is it has to be better than ghorn or one of the swords. If it is not then it may be used for burns, though why wouldnt you use ghorn on a solar burn mission? This is the exotic problem in pve. in pvp it largely depends on your playstyle, but in pve it is usually what can do the most amount of damage in the least amount of time. throughout the 3 years in destiny i only ever used ghorn or the swords regularly in pve. everything else was situational at best like if there was a burn or the later half of kings fall, otherwise the exotic never gets used. Another problem withexotics is because of pvp. when vex was first found, it was the hardest weapon to get in the game, but it was worth it because the weapon was good in pvp and pve, but it was too powerful in pvp so they nerfed it again and again until the weapon became useless which sucks because it was still hard as hell to get. Because of pvp, bungie has to be careful with what kind of weapons they release which is why we dont really get truly unique and interesting weapons. even guns that appear alien are just reskins of other types of guns. I understand wanting a balanced pvp but I would like to see some more interesting weapons for pve even if that means making some weapons pve only. I really hope bungie addresses these too problems in d2.
If someone would have told me 2 years ago, that mythoclast would be shit and necrochasm would be meta, I would have laughed in their face
Zebra Savant I want to go back
Zebra Savant same year 1 had the best metas
FoxShot It also had some pretty bad problems, but it was fun.
Zebra Savant or NLB
Zebra Savant And Nlb before nerf
"With the new auto buffs, i think the mythoclast will be a top tier weapon"
-josh hamrick (bungie)
Lmao they really are useless at balancing weapons arent they?
ewan i will take hamrick over john's 0.04% auto buff
Freepdreeze atleast john didnt start nerfing blink and other things that were already garbo
Did he really said that? lmfao.
ewan and i wonder who nerfed the super
And at least he is way more transparent
kinda disappointing to see how a weapon like this died down from its glory days
Yeah and bungie didn't even think of at least giving it a stability boost :/
Samuel Santos not only that, it needs a damage boost and something to compensate for its travel time. Nonetheless, it will be missed (no pun intended)
+Rowser15 good point
Rowser15 kinda like the game as a whole
DaArceo apparently there are sometimes glitches and bungie cant patch them because they can't find out how to
In PvE, if you have a heavy weapon with surplus, like the VoG machine gun "Corrective Measure" you don't have to worry about ammo for the Vex Mythoclast. Surplus applies to all weapons when having a gun equipped with the perk.
Jason Last thx :)
I don't know if it's just my play style, but I genuinely enjoy using Vex in pvp. I found it to be very capable. If the primary source of comparison is based on performance against other weapons, then yeah, it's probably not the best choice. But I had a blast with it.
JAE devil if you're having fun with it then use it I love using the vex and I don't try to use it in a way it wasn't designed to be so I still do well
Plus it's a great way to get that fusion rifle bounty from the crucible quartermaster don't in no time!
Done
I do really well with it
I'm very pleased with my K/D while using Mythoclast. The range is shite, but most Destiny maps are fairly close quarter, so it's not a real issue. Whenever I have a bounty that requires primary kills, Vex is going to be my go-to weapon of choice.
Patrick Casey ....I have been watching your content since the PD days, and 3 years later, I am STILL incredibly thankful for all the work and tedious effort you put into making these reviews time and time again! Outstanding Guardian, Nice Work!
I love the different ways the subtitles tried to display the word Mythoclast
Method Class
Mythic Lass (personal favorite)
Middle Class
I still love how Patrick's voice just slides through my ear drums like motor oil.
Before you read my comment, keep in mind that I am a HUGE fan of this weapon, as I used it to go flawless in year 1 and it was my go-to PVP weapon in year 1. Also, once I got it year 3, I thought it was absolutely terrible until I forced myself to use it and developed a feel for it. That being said:
While I do agree almost 100% with this review, I still SHRED people in PVP with the Vex Mythoclast. I cannot emphasize "shred" enough and I am NOT great at PVP either. At the end of a match, I tend to have a KD of 1.5 on average. I cannot really explain what is going on with this gun, to be honest. That clip that was shown in this video where the player with no shields took an embarrassingly long time to kill, sadly I also occasionally run into circumstances like this and it send me into a blind rage as well, haha.
However, there are also moments I cannot explain where I will kill a player with about 3 to 5 non-critical hits. The gun just seems very random. As the video stated, it is GREAT in PVE, but in PVP it has to be on the right level, and even then you have to adjust your play style so that you can close the gap in order to get into that hand cannon range to be competitive. That being said, I do think the Vex Mythoclast can easily go toe-to-toe with hand cannons, you just have to learn how to use the weapon. What I mean by this is that the Vex Mythoclast takes a bit of practice to get a feel of where the shots will go and to get the behavior of the gun down. As you said in the review, the weapon is NOT hit-scan and has the incredibly high aim-assist that actually hurts the performance of the gun. However, once you get to where you feel you really know this gun, I actually vastly prefer it on close-quarters maps. I consistently beat hand cannons and pulse rifles close up, and it's actually really nice to be able to break away from the smothering meta of hand cannons that is currently in place. Everything I just said in regards to PVP only applies to regular crucible and on close to mid-range maps. I would NEVER suggest using this weapon on a large map where you cannot close the distance. I would also NEVER suggest using this at a long range, as you will get DESTROYED by literally any other weapon in the game, and I will NEVER use this in trials again. EVER. Even if the trials map is small and you are VERY confident, I just feel that trials operates on a whole different meta and you will just get DESTROYED. Even after feeling that I developed a unique understanding for the weapon that most did not, I tried this weapon in trials and got completely destroyed. It was awful. This is why you will see such mixed reviews for the weapon- I feel very strongly that an extended use needs to be applied to the weapon in order to fully acquire a feel for it in PVP. I find that people that consistently use it for a longer period of time develop that "feel" that I keep referencing and then they love it. Others that just use it for a few matches or days for reviews, challenges, etc., do not get that "feel" for the weapon and end up thinking it is not a great weapon, when it can be.
TLDR:-GREAT in PVE-GREAT in PVP (But you need to get a feel for the weapon after LOTS of practice, and should only be used on small to mid-range maps).
-NEVER use on large maps or at a long range.
-NEVER, EVER, EVER use in trials. Ever. Ever. Ever ever ever.
Love your reviews Holtz. You're very clear and in-depth with all of your explanations.
2:01 Lightweight is useful in Social Spaces, since all speed boosting effects work in Social Spaces.
true, but agility does not modify your sprint speed. which you are probably doing more than walking in a social space.
All the negatives aside, if your shots are accurate, that's 39 to the head which kills in 5-6 bolts depending on the enemy's armor rating. And it fires faster than the Suros. That's a pretty good ttk.
M Liner Compensator brings it up to 40/29 making the most optimal TTK .67 seconds. But that will hardly ever happen.
Hand cannons still have the most consistent ttk with only three shots needed
It would IF, and a big IF, your shots actually decided to be accurate. The Mythoclast is not pinpoint like the rest of the primaries and actually has a sort of "pre-bloomed" cone of fire. Landing a precision shot is a total roll of the dice at anything further than a meter.
Sol Ace That's true for I'd say about 90% of encounters. However, Mr. Casey seems to do really well with the Vex, even with those odds. I think it's safe to say that the Vex is still viable depending on your skill and/or luck. And let's not forget those moments where crowd control destroys the opponent, like at 2:15.
The vex can, and does melt in pvp. Its problem is that it's a fusion, so its recoil behaves like a fusion. Nothing stat buffs or anything thing else could do to improve it. I think it's actually in a decent state as it competes in short to medium range, even better than tlw.
Got kinda mad at Bungie when Deej said "sometimes you shouldn't buff a weapon but tone down everything else" just because of the whole hitscan issue, and spread of the bullets, reliability at hand cannon range (like it was before) etc. It was a perfect, PERFECT gun in PvP in the period between Dark Below and House of Wolves, where it worked at it's intended range and very well at that, and you felt accurate with the weapon while not being OP. And it rewarded a skilled hand.
I've been experimenting in solar burn heroics this week, and honestly, when I have an adept Vision of Confluence or an adept Abyss Defiant (both of which are great), why would anyone use the Vex when you have to go scrounging for ammo every 2 minutes? It's a similar problem that hand cannons had throughout most of year 2, but worse.
Linear compensator works really good with vex... the vertical direction and range and plus one impact help alot
“This weapon is bad for pvp” (FOOTAGE OF HIM MELTING PEOPLE)
I love how Necro and Vex switched for how good they were
I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS REVIEW FOREVER YESSSS
This is the best and most honest review I've seen for this weapon :)
Holtz, linear compensator noticeably reduces bloom, makes the recoil very controllable and doesn't lower the time to kill in PvP
these are the in-depth reviews I really miss from you. this review feels like a year one Patrick Casey.
why doesn't the vex have oracle disrupter?!
Good-Name015 I always wondered that myself: seems liked a no-brainer.
TheElusive sword breaker should also do bonus damage to swordbearers on top of the bonus damage for hive majors
Good-Name015 it's passive
No, its passive perk is a description of it's ability.
Honestly amazed that they didn't change it at all.
For PvP, I've been torn with this gun's perk tree. Extended Mag would allow the crowd control perk to be taken advantage of, but on the other hand, Send It boots the range and "accuracy", and for those who don't know, range on fusion rifles increase projectile speed, and projectile speed is crucial on non hitscan weapons. Also, Holtz, I would suggest that you stay away from Smart Drift Control because Linear Compensator does its stability job better and gives the gun more damage and range.
I think I speak for the Entire Destiny Community when I say this:
This Game was way better than it is today back in Year One.
Excellent review and completely on point. As excited as it was to get after Atheon went down and infuse instantly to max light. The performance in almost any situation has been disappointing.
I have great memories of grinding for this gun year one. But unless your impressing folks in the tower or have enemies bunched up on a control point its an exotic novelty.
I was lucky enough to get the Mythoclast on reset day this week through my first VoG clear. Yes, it is FUN in solar strikes this week. That's about it though, it's pretty much useless everywhere else. Its only perk for the raid is it being able to disintegrate Supplicants before they explode, something any legendary fusion rifle can do though. Useless in PvP, useless in 90% of PvE activities. I'll tell you though, using it this week in strikes and having people immediately turn around when they hear the gun and inspect you, is worth it. I even got a message on PSN in the form of "you're very lucky you got it". That's the gun's worth. It's a novelty.
I actually got this weapon in my first VoG run and I love it. It melts in PvE and it's actually decent in PvP. Since they announced that it was coming back, I got so happy 😀😀😀
I have the ornament for vex but not the gun. this happened with nemesis star before I got it.
Hope you get the vex soon! Grats on the ornament :) I want the vex ornament as well as the necrochasm ornament.
SFang101/ WFang746 Same.
SFang101/ WFang746 I got the ornament on the first day of age of triumph, but luckily I got the vex on my first 390 VoG run
I got it Thursday night. It was my first 390 VoG run and my second time completing VoG.
Vex is not that bad in pvp
it has no ammo
Glad you're enjoying it :)
It's mf GARBAGE in PvP
Bungie's logic: Legendaries can and most of the times will be better than exotics.
I remember using this weapon in pvp in June and absolutely destroying everything, ended up get top of the leaderboard in almost every game, and here was the best part...I don't even play pvp, I only did it age of triumph and wanted to try out vex Mythoclast as if it was the glory days, and it still has it
Have to disagree with the pvp part I took it into rumble and was doing really really well.
I think we can all agree on some key buffs to the gun.
Slightly increase the damage to 40-30
Straighten the recoil to be purely vertical with no horizontal kick at all
Slightly increase stability and range
Buff magazine size to 25-28 by default and Extended Mag to 32-35
Increase the reserve size to 10-12 magazines total in reserve (between 200/250 and 280/336) based on base magazine Increase the reload speed from 72 to 80
Done. Still not OP because it's damage profile barely changed, it's stats are slightly better, it has more ammo for PvE, and it's still a projectile weapon instead of hitscan.
Back in Dark Below, Vex was a great gun that everyone wanted while Nechrochasm was the gun that was laughably bad with a tough side quest. Now in Age of Triumph, Nechrochasm is a pretty decent gun while Vex can't match up anymore. My my, how the tables have turned.
lucasfish17 I would have to disagree there. Shortly after the HM VoG came out, Vex ruled for maybe about 2-3 weeks. Then neutered with a patch. Bungie then rolled back on some of those nerfs, but at that point Vex's rep was absolutely destroyed. Then Fusion rifle stability and range nerf came. Then 1.1.1 dropped.... let's just say Vex got more than an 8.7% damage nerf. A lot more. Then almost every change done to Autos and Fusion negatively affected Vex until about The Taken King dropped.
David A What I'm trying to say is, Vex is the new Nechrochasm, and Nechrochasm is the new Vex. Vex was known for being a top tier raid exotic while Nechrochasm was lacking something. It didn't compare to Vex in the expectations we had hoped for. In a combination of what I've been hearing and what I've seen in this video, Vex isn't like it used to be. Now, I had the game in Vanilla, but I didn't start fully playing until Dark Below, so my comparisons might not have been completely accurate since I was still new to the game. I apologize for that, but I was just trying to make an ironic connection seeing that Vex was known for how good it was, how Nechrochasm was the opposite, and how now the roles have switched.
lucasfish17 I see what you're trying to do with the whole ironic view point, but Necrochasm is only wanted for the ornament and to complete the exotic weapon kiosk and the book.
Vex was my main weapon for PvP in year one, and I can definitely say the only thing it needs is a range buff, in a way that it would be able to hit stuff more reliably. About a possible stability buff, it wouldn't be that bad, but it isn't needed.
Edit: Also, I think linear compensator is the best option, it makes the recoil a little bit harder to control, but that extra impact and range you get are totally worth it.
Sadly Ive never had the Mytho in it's prime, I got to drop a day after it's first nerf. Its a shame cause it looked so unique at the time.
Do you feel like if there was a significant ammo buff and the mythoclast was made hitscan, it would be a strong weapon? Just curious, in your personal opinion, what fixes do you think would bring this gun up to standard?
Thanks for the review Patrick. You expressed how I feel about the Vex exactly and I hope bungie buffs it in some way.
So the weapon that defies time, has projectile travel time???
I know this video is older but one important pvp factor is it counts as a pulse rifle so the bounties form the crucible quartermaster that are fusion rifle kills will be easy because vex doesn't loss ammo on death
Being a year 1 player, I was so happy to finally get it today, and with the ornament no less. It's fun to use and it looks awesome, but it's maddening to not have control over where half your shots land. Still, I'm compelled to use it more.
I don't get why people say this gun is trash. I just got the gun today and my first game of rumble gave me a 17k,4d match with only the vex. The problem is that people treat the gun like an auto rifle. You have to be patient with the vex just like all of the other fusion rifles. I need to make my own reviews!
The vex needs reduced travel time on rounds fired, an increased magazine size al well as possibly double the reserve ammo. A 5% damage buff wouldn't go amiss either.
Doesn't need a damage buff, but it does need increased stability, reduced travel time on rounds, and a big fucking buff on ammo, in magazine and reserves.
I haven't watched your videos since ttk, but the short hair looks much better than the old mop you had.
Even tho it may not beans good, I got it today on my last run and it's hella fun to use. I don't care how bad it is at the moment. I love this baby.
Thanks for another amazing review. Top quality reviewer for destiny.
I would LOVE to see a buff to its stability.
I love the Mythoclast toward the end of year 1 it was in the perfect place it was usable in pvp and pve but it's trash now, but it's my fav gun so I intend to use it in both pve and pvp for the remainder of Destiny 1
I still love the vex but it is a shadow of its former self. It does work in pvp on short range maps like cauldron or anamoly but it frequently gets destroyed by side arms. Still one of my favourite guns to use though. The look, feel and sound of the gun are amazing and it is just so different from every other gun in the game. Haven't been lucky enough to get a year 3 one but used to pull it out whenever it was solar burn and small arms in strikes. Could do with a slight buff in stability and in stored ammo.
TBH I think this gun is probably like the nlb. It isn't good at first and it takes extreme practice with it, and with the extreme practice, it makes a great reward.
According to most people, you should use it with linear compensator to have a tighter spread
You need to use linear compensator on this gun. The penalty when you use smart drift is too high since it requires a 5 crit/1 body kill versus a 3 crit/3 body with linear comp. Just start at the body and rely on zen moment when you move to the head.
i remember the 33% damage nerf in like the first week this wepon had, has there been a stronger nerf since then or does the vex hold the title?
It should only be used in pvp for fusion rifle bountys
Springlock Even at that it sucks. I'd much rather use Sleeper Simulant for that bounty.
Springlock I usually eat a rocket before firing off a sleeper round.
I could solo a raid blindfolded before that sleeper round goes off
I usually eat a rocket...
When was the last time I even got heavy ammo?
This gun will always be my favorite weapon
Waited three years for it - the hunger is real (in spite of this review!)
Holy shit it’s already been 2 years I miss this game so much
vex NEEDS hit scan this would fix the problem where you shoot a target and the visibly get hit but then take no damage
I think if they up the stability and maybe make it close to hitscan if not hitscan and it would be really good
I've always enjoyed the Vex, the ammo thing is a issue but then again I have armor that increases fusion rifle ammo.
idk about you guys but when i was playing with mythoclast before the age of triumph i was wrecking people in pvp. i really liked it.
Yeah same, just pulled out my 170 version today and kicked some ass.
Is the Mythoclast classified as a primary or secondary weapon?
Are you going to give a review when gets released in D2?
Patrick, i understand that Vex Mythoclast being non-hitscan may suck, but why does the Dreg's Promise work so well throughout pvp? I guess it could just be stats on the weapon or the perks that come with it...
Dregs Promise has hidden tracking, similar to a rocket launcher. Thats what makes it way more consistent.
Patrick Casey Vex is fine. Users are just shit with it because they abuse it and over estimate it's ability.
agreed! really enjoy using the vex but hope bungie buffs it for practical use before D2
It definitely needs more ammo capacity, and if they could make it hit scan, it would be amazing
I'd enjoy a damage buff and more reserve ammo.
Patrick casey, I agree that the weapon is unstable at most, However when you do the test to kill someone, you were jumping. Vex is like any other fusion stay on the ground and slide....
remember when it had 56 in the mag ( with extended mag ) ?
Patrick, did you know that fusion rifle ammo bonuses don't increase the vex's ammo? You are more powerful in he community, and I was hoping you would address it in your vid
I think a lot of peoples problem is they full auto the gun. You can tap fire it pretty fast in order to get a pretty fast ttk that's also a lot more accurate. You're really only supposed to full auto the gun when someone is almost point blank to you.
Has anyone noticed the Omolon auto rifle and Suros shotgun in the preorder image? Anyone?
Fusion Rifles are underrated
anybody see the Reddit post suggesting infinite reserve ammo as a buff? I think that would be nice as well since it goes along with the vex.
My precious , did I missed you?YES BIG FUCKING TIME!
This my favourite Destiny weapon of all time for no logical or practical reason. I just adore it.
Is it still just a random drop from Atheon (at 390 light)? Does using Knuckles of Eao increase the chance of it dropping?
David Coulter yes it is random. Don't know if Knuckes affects it or not. Got one a couple days ago... It drops at 360 light and has to be infused higher.
David Coulter it's still a random drop but using knuckles of eao with increase the weapon drop
Ty guys :)
David Coulter Yes Knuckles of Eao affect the drop rate. While no you won't be getting two Vex's at once, you will get Atheon drops twice, so you have a much better chance of getting it with Knuckles.
Completely on point. Used to love it, now it's meh. Way too little ammo, ditched it after only a few minutes in favor of my adept Vision.
Don't care what others think, for an end game raid exotic it should have been brought back close to what made it the most coveted exotic before the nerf. My clan mate got the Vex and used it on our second run at the VOG before switching back to another primary weapon. Said the limited ammo just wasn't worth using it. Still, I'll be happy if and when it drops for me and hope it gets a buff before Destiny 2, after which I won't give a damn about it. :-)
The vex needs a patch to change it to be a hit scan weapon with better range. Everything else can be kept the same.
Can someone explain to me what does it mean for a weapon to have or not have "hitscan" and travel time? I've been playing this game from the beginning but I honestly never got too technical with it.
Kenshi0909 it refers to any first person shooter but a hitscan means if you're aiming a gun at something and shoot it'll take damage automatically almost like the gun and the target are tied together but since it's not a hitscan that means the gun actually fires bullets that take time to reach the target.
So true. Got mine yesterday and run out of ammo all the time. They should have buffed the ammo to 400 at least. It's good that it doesn't work in PvP. It's an anti-every enemy Hive/Vex/Cabal weapon.
What if Vex had infinite reserves, as per the flavor text?
I love how he shows footage of him destroying in PvP then call it the worst weapon for PvP
I would love to see a game mode in destiny where every weapon didnt have hitscan. I think it would present a fun challenge, and show a gmaers real skill and ability to use certain weapons in a match. Dont k ow if the enging could handle keeping track of hundreds of extra objects, but I still think it would be an interesting mode or at least a small scale experiment.
Is the Mythoclast affected by Specialist or Small Arms?
Jason Lu small arms since it's a primary just imagine small arms and solar burn on a nightfall Vex and along with other raid weapons (VoC and Abyss Defiant) would dominate
Who would've thought a day would come that a day would come that sidearms would do better than Mythoclast in PvP.
It is the most iconic gun in Destiny. They really should buff it a bit.
Make Vex Mythoclast great again!
Give it more ammo reserves, remove the bloom, fix it's jumpy recoil, make it hit-scan and make it USEABLE!
I just recently got it from Vault of Glass and I'm so disappointed that it's basically useless right now! :(
I never thought I'd see the day where the NLB gets nerfed, sidearms are the meta, and the necrochasm plays better than the Vex Mythoclast. Oh do you hear that? It's the fat lady singing to the pigs flying around because hell froze over....
i gotta say tho, if you time your shots better you wont have that many ammo problems in pve. it does around the same amount of damage as my solar harrowed qullim's terminus when its a solar burn, i still think they should buff the ammo reserves but i've only ran out of ammo like 3 times this week using it.
Idk i was doing extremely well with this gun and a few really good trials players say its worth using on a small map.
Idk vex catches a lot of people off guard in pvp now
It's basically a worse version of Genesis Chain Adept
100% agree this gun is nothing like year. I give it 3/10. In pvp and pve Lack of reserve ammo and stability and range and damage make it a poor choice. Ill stick with my necrocasm better in so many ways
I still never got it! Goin' in soon to try getting it, wish me luck!
Hey Pat. can you do a review on Atheon's Epilogue? It doesn't matter whether it's adept or not.
RagingSwordElite it's the same gun either way
ill be reviewing all of the raid adept weapons once I move.
the problem with all exotics, for pve at least, is it has to be better than ghorn or one of the swords. If it is not then it may be used for burns, though why wouldnt you use ghorn on a solar burn mission? This is the exotic problem in pve. in pvp it largely depends on your playstyle, but in pve it is usually what can do the most amount of damage in the least amount of time. throughout the 3 years in destiny i only ever used ghorn or the swords regularly in pve. everything else was situational at best like if there was a burn or the later half of kings fall, otherwise the exotic never gets used.
Another problem withexotics is because of pvp. when vex was first found, it was the hardest weapon to get in the game, but it was worth it because the weapon was good in pvp and pve, but it was too powerful in pvp so they nerfed it again and again until the weapon became useless which sucks because it was still hard as hell to get. Because of pvp, bungie has to be careful with what kind of weapons they release which is why we dont really get truly unique and interesting weapons. even guns that appear alien are just reskins of other types of guns. I understand wanting a balanced pvp but I would like to see some more interesting weapons for pve even if that means making some weapons pve only. I really hope bungie addresses these too problems in d2.
I went 30 and 8 the first time I used Mythoclast in Pvp so idk about that.