Tesla vs Hummer on steep hill
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- We tested a Tesla Model X vs Hummer H2 on a 30 % grade hill with snow and ice. It seems like Tesla with less weight and studless tires did it better than the heavier Hummer with studded tires.
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6:26 - Hummer (downhill)
7:41 - Tesla (downhill)
9:29 Tesla (uphill)
11:38 Hummer (uphill)
Thank me later
Bless your soul
Gracias .
Hummer
God bless you
Hahaha ty ty
The way the Tesla is climbing quiet and slow is very impressive
true
+Blake Hatton hummers suck at everything, exception being that they are great at sucking at everything. The epitome of all that is wrong with Merka. It is a wonder Trump doesn't own a fleet of orange H2s, with yellow Carson tops.
@@germanysnexttopterrorist8544 hummer fanboi spotted. you little hypocrite.
@@chefderappa4838 No, Tesla beat a full time off road vehicle, and Tesla brilliant e ginerring and the safest vehicle made. Clearly your wrong again.
its an electric car ... noooo vrooom vroooom just shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii get it lol
The Hummer could not drive uphill, so it decided to dig a tunnel instead
artemkras LMAO 😂🤣😹
artemkras hummer has much more weight then Tesla. So, he can’t to go ahead from the middle of slope. It’s the law of physics.
@@TIMOTHE6 Well, no. They both weight about 3 tons.
@@wildepawthefox i guess the engine beeing in front has something to do....notice how i reverse up the slope with ease?
@@TIMOTHE6 The hummer has stuts. They are better on ice but not on snow.
Sorry for my English
Owning a car wash in Norway must be like owning a goldmine.
There is tons of free water here, so my weekly winter car wash is only about 80-160 Nok (10-20USD)
but with conditions like this all the time, people wont wash cars because they will look the same the next day xD
We just sell them dirty. And buy a new and clean car... :)
haha xD But at least here in the Scandinavian countries cars are well protected against road salt and general rust. These problems are often worse in more southern countries where proper rust treatment is not applied.
First thing I do when going to the ski resort is to wash the car after the 800km trip to get most of the salt out. They always look at me like: Why the heck are you washing a car here??
So, how many times did the Hummer have to go for a refuel to complete this video? Just curious...
5 times is my guess.
I am more curious about how many hours they had to spend plugged to a socket with the Tesla? Just kidding
@@Miksumr Still true tho lol, especially in the winter the battery is reduced to about 60-75% of the usual autonomy and it'll reduce even faster with the heat on.
How many times a Tesla to go and recharge for a couple hours on the hummer you run outta gas I just grabbed gallon pour it in your good to go Tesla you're kind of fucked Ones a quality built reliable machine the others a women's shaver that brakes
@@aldenasher8 They claim 335 mile range but thats tested on a completely flat straight road where in this entire planet is there completely flat straight road with no uphill or down hill because that will affect mileage plus wind or uneven road surface's
Studs are really only effective on ice and hardpacked snow. On snow it is more about softer rubber and plenty of thread that works. Also when the snow gets colder the snow crystals gets harder and more grippy which in turn help traction. 👍
2038: Army drives with Tesla Tanks
2038: The Silent War
@Johann hahahahaha diesel power ON
@@filipnajdoski4933 I'd take a 5-7 year old diesel truck with 150k well-cared for miles over a brand new Tesla anyday. Diesels have proven their reliability and longevity. Tesla has not.
@@itsyaboy2360 me 2
Tesla says ...
Supra wutututu see ya mate 😏
@@itsyaboy2360 Good luck bringing your truck to a tank fight XD
haha "I'm not sure what's up with those hummer people"
Sitting high. Less air up here... :)
zolikoff true
zolikoff Doug demuro's H2 review settles that
Small dingus'.
thats not Hummer H1
I didnt expect the Model X to be that good in the snow really, very impressed. Hopefully within next year i can join the tesla community and get my model 3 :P
Tesla need to hire you for sub-zero torture testing their vehicles!
Trending Hot Tesla tests vehichles in Canada. Which is conveniently a short drive away from Murica.
He should come to finland we have regulary -20°c
As long as the Tesla stays plugged in or the car is on, the battery pack won’t get cold
and torturing viewership.🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤
The Hummer H2 was designed for mall parking lots, try the original one with the tires inflated to 14 PSI.
l was thinking the same! Also the H1 has some serious ground clearance for off road work.
Mall parking lots can be a nasty place after a snow storm
Lou Lopez you
The H2 is built on the Chevrolet Colorado truck frame and drivetrain. It is equipped with better traction control. So basically you are buying a Colorado with a different body.
@my toughts Thanks, HNY!
Best part was "The Hummer farted!". lol!
I did to when desending down :)
MTB Dream'in Because it runs... I mean, has gas
I like when he called the Tesla's accelerator a "throttle". SMH
Lol
restarting on the hill was very impressive
How about the Tesla vs Hummer small river crossing :)
All small rivers are frozen solid here now :)
Lmao
The Tesla would win, it doens't need air to work.
András Bíró batteries would fill up with watter,also tesla is a lot lower, also I dont know if electric motors would still work in water
Mark Wright I mean I feel like if you went into the ocean you'd want it to float
I guess those studded tires on the Hummer weren't designed from the start to be winter tires. The pattern is very similar to offroad tires, and it may not be optimal for snow. There aren't really that many studs either. Hakkas on the other hand are strictly winter tires, and sacrifice some of wet road grip for better grip on snow and ice compared to some other studless tires.
Federal Couragia MT is offroad tires.. Mud terrains..
mmmakeee torille
those studded are good when it is icy, fairly good at snow, other than those hakkas without studds are good when there is snow thou they are slipery if there is any amount of ice,
i have been using non studded tires for now 5 winters and survived in Finland, but there has been few times that those just are so slipery.. my car is only front wheel driven, without studds have to adjust how you drive ... much more careful way.... speed is the thing no matter what tires you have, even new summer ones could survive winter drive ( MAYBE !! )...
BFG A/T KO2 on the Hummer, would probably make it in 2wd. I swear by these tires in the ice & snow.
The hummer is too heavy, stud less tires are best in snow and studded on ice....
Studs are just for ice and extremely packed (ice-like) snow.
For other winter driving, it's the pattern and rubber composition that matters most.
Real studded winter tires have similar pattern to the Tesla's, but with "islands" of whole rubber for the studs to reduce the risk of losing them.
But yes, losing studs _is_ a problem, you're usually expected to take it easy the first few hundred miles with brand new tires, to let the studs seat properly. Then again, studs are developed too, I suppose newer ones have a larger foot/base to compensate for the softer rubber, or something....
8:08 "Viking Language" lmao
In my opinion, they both have issues with traction control.
The Tesla is supposed to have that excellent electric traction control where slip is measured hundreds of times per second and then we see it here, spinning its front tires while the rear ones do nothing. Same with the braking - front wheels locked, rear wheels still going. WTF?!
I'm genuinely surprised.
To me, it would be really interesting to see a Mercedes G and a Porsche Cayenne competing there as well...
When you see one axle spinning, remember that the other axle still has grip and applies power. Just because you don't see the other axle spinning doesn't mean it has no power, you know.
It is most likely due to the driving mode, not the capability of the awd system. I imagine the Tesla is in a form of winter driving mode, and often in winter conditions the last thing you want is the rear wheels to slip, so perhaps this mode tries to eliminate that possibility by systematically sending more power to the front wheels. I imagine if they changed the mode (or if manual settings are possible), the traction could be much improved by letting the rear wheels get more power before front wheels slip. The car and awd system is definitely capable of it, it's an electronic system that is hindering the traction - not the drivetrain.
Invictus_CS ABS is disabled below around 10 km/h so at this speed it doesn’t do anything
abs does something regardless of your speed. If you lock op your wheels at even 1 mph, you could have been moving slower if abs was working.
Daniel Kemnitz Maybe that’s the way it’s supposed to work but below around 10km/h in every single car I’ve been in ABS doesn’t do anything because you can lock up the brakes
Wow, that half hill start was pretty impressive!
I really enjoy your videos Bjørn at least it proves how effective electric vehicles are under cold conditions.
Love this, to show important of good tires for the snow. Also, comparing to Hummer, which burners lots of gas, was great idea, for comparison. Bjorn Nyland, love all your videos in Norway. Love video with your Thai wifie, using camping mode in your Model X. Keep up the good work.
Lifting on the electric machine almost soundlessly from the middle of the snow slide looks amazing!
That settles that hakkapalita R3 for my M3! Had hak 9 on a4 audi good on ice, but did skid a little at times! Thats a good example of climbing out of a ditch! Had to do that once hak 9 saved me big time, 2am -30 C! Good 30 deg shoulders on the road and deep snow! Thank you
Michigan here! I'm considering a Tesla but needed to know how it would perform in Michigan winters. This was the perfect video! Thank you for sharing I will be on my way to get my Tesla!
You really should be bringing a Subaru with you for this.
subaru would annihilate
Evo is even better
True. AWD system is what makes the difference.
@@rumhave9632 No, its all about tiers, i have been driving around 4 wheel drives whit my front wheel drive VW Jetta.
@@skrukke yup, that's believable enough I guess
The Hummer had JUNK tires on it. Put snow tires on it.
Studded tires are for ice.
@@victorvillasana3409 duh, what's your point?
Yeah the Hummer had worn Nitto mud terrains with worn studs, Tesla had new snow tires, not a fair comparison
The Nokian Hakkapeliitta tire is rated the best non-studded winter tire and even outperforms many studded tires.
3:55 "Good shit" 😂
great video as always bro
from years of driving in snow, then years in desert sand.... tire pressure is the trick man
deflate those tires and you can do wonders
good luck always
Talal Alkhadra how do you mean?
Sage momoh most tires require 32 psi pressure under normal conditions. Deflate them to 15 and rule the world. 😎
PS: once back on the road, better inflate them again or you will ruin them.
There was a guy with a channel on TH-cam who used to do off-road videos in a Jeep Rubicon with the locking differentials who would cruise right past everyone else on the trails and go get other people unstuck for fun, and he'd deflate his tires to between 4-10 PSI to do that (which requires bead retention rings inside the wheels to keep the tires mounted and inflated because the pressure is so low). To maximize traction in these conditions, you really have to go very low pressure. 15 PSI is probably in the relatively safe range for standard wheels without bead retention rings if you drive slowly and carefully and reinflate when you get back to a road though. It's not safe for normal driving and not good for maneuvering and it's horrible on the tire, especially the sidewall and in Bjorn's case, also the wheels, but what it does for traction is amazing. It's why the original Hummer based on the military Humvee came with a central tire inflation/deflation system. Works wonders in snow and sand.
do not air down your tires in snow... think of the physics like a snow shoe (only opposite). you want to cut through the snow, not glide over it by expanding your surface area
thank god we have knowledgeable people like you on our side!
I did say my experience! no?
but thanks for your contribution bro
I think most people are coming to the realization that EV is the way of the future for most vehicles but thank you for providing an honest assessment. You rock!
those grooves in the tire are called Sipes. my Mitchellin AT were similar to your tires. had those on a 21-foot Chinook motorhome which I took to the snow every year for 10 years with rear Duallys. did this while Towing the 88 Jeep. this motorhome did awesome in the snow and I did not get stuck until I met two feet of snow one year. that was the first year I had to put the chains on. like you said the snow in the tiny grooves grips the snow and that is the best snow tire you can buy.
even hummer lost the battle. power control of EV^s are superb. but we still love the hummer.
The tesla was so quiet that you could hear the birds in the background XD
“Idk y, but hummer people just insist on driving on the snow and not the road”
As an off road car owner, it’s an obligation to do so
The small slits on a tire (you call them lamellas) are made to grip on ice only, they have no effect on snow (except if it's very hard packed snow.. somewhat like ice). The slits will create suction when pressed on the ice by the car's weight when the rotation makes the slit meet the ice and then releasing that pressing weight when the tire starts rotating to make the slit come off the ice.
Larger threads are what gives traction in snow. But the threads have to have the right size for the condition. Very light snow needs much larger threads while more compact snow needs smaller threads. Most tire have a combination of larger and smaller threads to make them good under many conditions.
This test you are doing is only about how good the tires are for the weight of the vehicle, not the vehicle's capacity to go up. If you put chains on both vehicles' tires, you will start getting very similar results.
Most tug and uphill/downhill tests are also the tires and the weight of the vehicle.
It's in high school physics that we learn about coefficient of friction, isn't it?
The ground clearance of a vehicle might also have to do with its ability to go offroad, but by the time ground clearance becomes an issue, cars becomes an issue, their weight compared to the amount of ground contact becomes the main issue (as per the high school physics class lesson about coefficient of friction can mathematically show).
I have an SUV and a ATV, the first one with pretty good winter tires, the second one with tracks for winter. My ATV has only 570cc of engine, but with a pretty good transmission that has a low gear. I can beat any cars-like vehicle climbing up a hill with my ATV. I can beat that Hummer easily pulling a weight up a hill (like the boat I pull every 6 month in and out of the lake where my cabin is), even though the Hummer has a 5700 to 6000 cc engine (5.7L to 6L), 10 times bigger than my ATV. It's all about traction (and the transmission's low gear for torque).
High school physics...
The snow on the Tesla wheels make it look nice!
I’m wondering if turning on creep would work in the middle of the hill? It would be nice to test :)
12:50 Wow I thought tesla sucked in the snow but it's actually better than a Hummer?!
You're everywhere
@@robertlee3563 My cat is better than a Hummer - and not just in the snow either
It's actually a hummer h2 which is not good for offroading like the h1 it's more like a fake hummer
@Angry Trucker Well he do not know how to drive on snow and ice either.
Just watch how he's spinning the wheel wildly like a complete amateur at 0:50 - that had me cringe.
And if you're really stuck, why not go out and put something under the wheels first before trying - I do!
The H2 is an embarrassment to the hummer line-up. So is the H3
mr nyland, impressed with your calm and collected check of these cars. i would call it gradient rather than grade.
I think the test is to compare the sophistication of the conventional 4x4 vs the electric awd system. Meaning, the tesla uses its ABS system to sense slippage and divert power to the alternating wheel with more grip. The hummer has the locking diff but in snow that can often not be in your favor, tends to cause jerky movements when locked up. Also the front end on the hummer is completely open which means when one wheel breaks starts to spin it will not transfer power to the other as wood a limited slip or say front locker or abs assist. I think comparing a modern denali, gl mercedes or range rover would be a better test in a facilitated comparison such as this. That hummer will win in situations such as getting over boulders, articulation situations or mud inclines where wheel spin is required. The Tesla shines pretty much in this situation alone, taking one of those through a rut, or a ditch will yield failure. We tested one out last year and was surprised at how weak the delivery to the opposed wheel on a articulation course was. good test. Anyone have thoughts opposing the view I pose on the overall results?
The Hummer has studded M/T tyres, which cannot be compared to Scandinavian-grade winter-typres, studded or studless.
Had the Hummers tyres been siped, or if it had better tyres, it would do much better.
What bothers me with your Tesla is when you tried pulling out the stuck Hummer in the beginning, and only the front wheels were spinning ... No 4x4?
Ofc its 4x4 but its adaptive. It puts power on wheels that have more grip. In that case it put most torque on rear tires sothey wouldnt spin as the frontal ones were
Worst Hummer ever built, if you want a Hummer, get the H1
Yes, except that is not really a hummer. A hummer has a different design with the drivetrain and driveshaft high up in the cabin and downward connections to the wheels which enable the underside to be flat and dragged over the top of a wall. That is what makes a hummer a hummer. That is why it was utilized the way it was in the military because of it capabilities as a result of those designs. Taking the body appearance and slapping it on a yukon chassis does not make it something it is not functionally. The buyers of the h2, h3, h4 or whatever are just attention seeking, low self esteem, trying to get attention losers.
H3 would be the worst
I dont own one, but my brother has a h3, never gets stuck, climbed rocks, is out in the mud, over landing and camping. No issues yet. My brother only seeks attention after he washes and waxes is and want a guess on how long before he cant see himself in the reflection.
The same negative stuff can be said and has for jeep owners, and any other vehicle accept for hatchbacks. Shut it , get a vehicle you like and have fun with it.
the undead1 I wish I could be happy with one vehicle, I have more than a dozen and am looking for more. I cannot decide one just 1 do-all daily driver, track, off road, farm, family vehicle. What would that car be?
@@GIZZMOTORSPORTS actually, ive heard h3 is better then any h2. Inline 5 cyl good gas milage and reliable. My neighbor has one
its nice to see someone that knows what hes talking about
ive seen lots of tug of war vids with trucks and ppl always saying chev is better than ford or ford is better than dodge etc
when it come down to traction not the vehicle
Great vid, tests covered all scenario (y)
6:40
“The hammer farted”
Nice video! I wonder if Chill mode has a advantage with a steep hill? Since the power delivery is a lot smoother instead of instant in sport or ludicrous.
studded tyres work well on iced road with some fair amount of snow. But you need the right softness of tyres. Just go to Finland - they are the experts. At a certain moment of winter they stop cleaning the roads, but everybody still can drive, not even using 4wd
I'm still keeping my H2.
15 years of fail safe travels and driving on and off road. From BC to Fairbanks Alaska, and to Mexico.
I converted mine to a 2mode Hybrid, 10 litres per every 100 Km. 507 HP, full time 4x4.
I love my truck. I also love the idea of Telsa and it's purpose.
If it was a perfect world ?
I would drive both. The difference with me ?
I wouldn't be a b!tch about it.
Love and respect, C 👍
Skills TB! Very impressed on the hill climb from halfway- considering you have no lowbox or brake bias shift, good control :-)
Danny Otter is a lowbox necessary with an electric motor?
No need for low gear as long as you have good throttle control.
tec1106 - I see no reason why not, give you much more fine control of torque.
I would expect to see proper 4x4 EVs with lowboxes or some sort of electronic equivalent
Danny Otter
Electronic equivalent might be good
I was quite impressed - I didn't thaught it would do THAT good. But, I think the electric motors is really nice in these conditions as well - because you can control the torque very accurately, without the somewhat jerky effects of a clutch or torque converter. Most of the people hating on electric cars like to drive cars with a manual transmission - it would be fun to see they try this.
Especially since you can't just use the classic hill start trix using the handbrake ether (you will just lock up the rear wheels and start slide backwards). Many new cars have hill assist - but even with that you tend to get a slight forward jerk when the brakes are realeased and you start moving forward, on a steep hill (just the slightest such effect will cause the wheels to start spinning and lose traction as you're right at the edge of what your grip allows for).
I believe we call those cuts in the tyres "sipes" they're great at increasing traction in snow, but on tarmac make the tyres wear faster and feel less sure footed.
They're called "lamellas": www.nordexx.com/eu-en/about-nordexx/understand-your-tire/
As for grip on tarmac, the studless Nereus tires stick like glue compared to my Nokian Hakkapeliitta 8 studded. When I hammer it, my studded would spin whereas the studless stick.
Bjørn Nyland Nokian, and most other manufacturers refer to them as sipes over here. They will certainly grip more than the studded ones, but because the rubber is no longer a cohesive block they make the tyres slower to react especially steering inputs. Gives it a kind of squirmy feel, like you are running on much higher profile tyres.
Daniel I I've found that to be true too, but I also found that Michelin X-Ice series actually feels almost as good as all seasons in dry tarmac. They're almost not squishy compared to most snow tires I've used. I've never tried any of the Scandinavian studless tires though.
What can I say. I'm impressed!
Those fine grooves are actually to improve wet weather grip .... They allow the rubber blocks to conform to the road more than blocks without the grooves and therefore increasing surface area and grip .
Loved my Range Rover, hammering through mud, snow and sand with difflock... but if I see the amazing sensible control that a electric motor provides in a direct way to the tires - that is much better than the old way to get through rough conditions. I think your combination of EV + the studdless tires are optimal :)
Andy Rudolph electric motor and a locking diff and we have a winner?
Andy Rudolph
Yep, I love my pajero yet this electric powered vehicle is phenomenal
tec1106 or maybe an offroad ev with 4 smaller motors per wheel. I would imagine that would be very effective.
I had one - years before. It was incredibly expensive in service :( But offroad we had lots of fun and always a strong partner :)
Peter Gizmos Despite their various other issues, Range Rovers are extremely good offroad. Far better than a Model X..
Love the Hummer but Tesla kicks ass.
Tesla is pretty good but completely useless when it comes to descending hill.
A software update with the electric motors braking/holding will do the trick. Combined with overriding of the brakes helping ?
Another great vid!
Studded tires are for icy roads. Winter tires are good for snow, cold and rain. For lots of snow put chains on it. And some times its better to disengage traction control.
You could have put on the right tires on a hummer to make a real test!
P.S. Hummer woman.
Exactly. Thank you from fellow H2 owner.
Could the chill-mode maybe help at such a steep snowy hill? Since it decreases the accerlation and making everything more smooth...
Maybe
The Tesla sounds like when you get out with the car off and then it takes off down the hill without you in it...quiet eerie sounds then a bang.
Studs are best for ice... we use dubbdäck in Stockholm area in winter as we have more ice and compacted snow. In the north most have tyre like you have on OP.
awsome
To get Low-gear try «Chill» mode🧐
The middle of the hill was perfect, where I live there is a hill with a T crossing not much traffic on it though but and when you are 1 or 2 behind you pretty much stuck waiting for the other cars to go. You either slide back or you are stuck... Had lots of fwd cars and rwd cars with studded tires and frictional snow tires, and with some sort of traction control. It was an always uphill battle (pun intended)... The Tesla came out awesome on this test I think!
There is a huge difference between Nokia winter tyres and the unnamed rim protectors the Hummer was using. Had there been Nokia studded tires (Hakkapelitta 9 for example) it would have easily gone through.
6:35 The hummer farted
Haha... my brother tested a hummer one winter, i had to pull him out with my 1990 F350
The vehicle doesn't matter nearly as much as the tires. I'm in an '08 350z on winter tires right now and we had a blizzard a few weeks ago, I drove through that like it was nothing but I saw many, many cars in ditches or stuck in the snow.
Huumers weight kills it.
Cool story bri
Informative testing.
The tires on the Hummer is off road tires with a few studs on them. Normal studded tires has almost as many lamells as studdless. The most dangerous condition driving is ice, hence studded tires improve safety albeit studdless work fine on packed snow.
"I don't know what is wrong with Hummer people,"
I’m waiting for the tug of war with the 4x4 tractor there on the farm. It had some good tires. LOL
you can't win against a tractor with a car...
unless it weighs more than the tractor, which is unlikely.
th-cam.com/video/Gg5eGaQsvcg/w-d-xo.html
do you really think a car has any hope of winning against this stuff?
I only agree 50% on the tire argument vs weight being the obstacle for the hummer. It seems in different conditions the tires make a difference but because his method for overcoming the problem once he got on ice was momentum that proves weight was a major factor because the hummer had to use momentum of the weight to go up. Also weight distribution is a factor. Since the hummer is so heavy and also the weight is not as well distributed, there is more weight in the front, that makes the truck dig down more, and destroy the road. The Tesla seemed more like a snowshoe spreading its weight out and low center of gravity, this did not destroy the surface of the packed snow to reveal the ice below. Of course the grip helps but i think if there was a tug a war and the heavy hummer dug down and because of the rope it forces the Tesla to also run in the same spot and dig down to the ice layer, the Tesla might still have more grippy tires but not as grippy on ice compared to packed snow. Since then the Tesla would loose some traction and has a weight disadvantage, it would be had to pull such a big Hummer fighting in the other direction if both both slipping on ice. There is also technique of driving. I think if the drivers have skill they would know when to turn the wheels to get more grip. And also that is the sucky hummer. I think you would see a suzuki jimny with good tires have no trouble going up that hill either in ice or snow, because it is light weight. Whenever you watch battles between the small 4x4 suzuki's and heavy range rovers, on muddy or snowy steep inclines, the Suzuki wins hands down.
Those Lamellas as you call them on the tires dont help in Deep snow at all. What Matters is Diff lock ( same amount of traction on all wheels with no slip) and Big deep Threads and Little air in the tires for More surface area.
That's the beauty of I.C.E cars😍😍
Could be the lower center of gravity on the Tesla as well, keeping the weight closer to the ground? No idea impressive all around thou!
Its all about the tires... Those looks like studded summer tires and I guess they dont make good grippy durable studded tires for that kind of weight.
Kristoffer Linder ahh ok! I wouldn’t know honestly, never gets below 30° F where I’m at.
+nelsonmachupa You were actually spot on with the lower center of gravity being of benefit (since roadway had been plowed). Tires are the leading factor but keeping the weight low and over the drive wheels can be the difference between on your way or stranded.
I was told by a former GM dealer mechanic that they bias the gearing on many of the 4x4's so that the front wheels actually spin faster than the rears. I don't know if that's true, but on these pickup-truck based platforms like the H2 I think they will climb hills better in reverse without a load in the back because of all the weight in the front to begin with. When you start climbing backwards, more weight transfers to the front wheels than even normally and you get superior traction. When climbing forward the weight transfers off the fronts and is more evenly distributed, so the fronts tend to start spinning and then the rears do too because they don't have enough weight on them to keep traction. It's amazing how well the Model X does BTW.
Ones a purpose built off-roader , the others a family Suv , crazy how good that tesla is
When driving on soft sand, you lower the tyre pressures to increase the tyre's surface area for better traction and spread the weight over a bigger area.
Does this also work with snow?
Ross Hunter yes, but winter tires already have softer rubber which has the same effect
It definitely does. Also note, that the thing that actually gives most traction to tires, is the snow they collect. Snow v snow friction is the best friction you can get, so the more snow your tires can hold in their grooves, the better they will work. Often, however, if the snow is compact but still deep, big tires with deep grooves can give the tyre itself extra traction because it lets the tyre sink deep into the snow. But mainly it's the collected snow that gives most traction. Larger surface from lower tyre pressure means more snow will be in contact and give traction.
Tyres are the rubber that wraps the wheels..
In case you are asking sarcastically to point out a misspelled word, let me inform you that "tyre / tyres" is often used in english spelling outside North America, wheras "tire / tires" is used in the US and Canada. Both ways of spelling are correct, and refer to the same object.
The Hummer has Mud Terrain tires. That is not optimal in the cold and on snow/icy roads. But works in deep snow, kinda... :) But i look cool :)
yes in deep snow the M/Ts are great because they can capture and hold a lot of snow to aid in traction :) but on very compact snow and icy roads they are crap lol. At least they got studs for the ice
His only choice was to “hammer” it up 😂
+kiff Asare-Attrams Whose only choice? The Tesla obviously had plenty of options, only the hummer lump was struggling
Nev Anderson: as in the hummers only choice was to put his foot down. “hammer” the pedal.
Love your comments!
I guess is more tires snow vs other type of tires snow... but the traction control also help!!
Excelent funny video! Even though you are not an expert on tires your conclusions make the community think about the reasons why both cars performmed the way they did. The comments section in this kind of videos it's so interesting when people applies their thoughts to the situation. That it's driven by the high quality of the content, no doubt about it. The discussions are very informative and enrich the community knoledge. but I have a questions. Why didn`t you introduced the people you are with in the videos? It would be great to know some of their backgrounds. Why they prefer the hummer,? what are they using it for?, what does make them want to try it in the conditions you test your tesla? etc
The guy in the Hummer didn't feel like being in the video.
I think the Teslas traction control finally worked really well!
I pulled a Hummer out of the snow once with my 88 Jeep Cherokee. he said do you really think you can a Ford F-250 had failed previously. we hooked up with a 2-inch yellow strap and I gave him a fat yank and he came right out of the snowbank. the key is to get a running start with the pull vehicle
That looks fun!
Amazing video!
I'd like to see a test like this against a volvo xc90 or a Range Rover.
I always wonder how it all starts:
blah blah blah .... but you can't do that with Tesla
hold my beer
but
HOLD MY BEER
you will...
AAAAAAGHR!!! Asian tight!
p.s.
good video - as always ;)
This is why I love this channel. I have this exact situation outside my home here in the mountains and I'd love to know if an electric vehicle will perform or be too heavy for this (current car: Subaru AWD). Where else can I get an answer to that? Thanks.
To some degree, it was a battle of power. But mostly power delivery. The Tesla offers full torque from zero which allows for slow, steady application whereas the Hummer loses so much torque by the time it gets to the wheels that an increase in rpm is required which, in snow, will likely spin the tire causing a loss of traction.
Apples and oranges.....LOL
It's really not. Is your high dollar ride going to get you there? In this situation, the Tesla fared a little better. That won't always be the case. If I had to ford a stream, I think I would pick the Hummer. If the goal is to go as far as possible on a $20.00 bill, the Tesla would get you farther down the road. for any off road trail, the Hummer would be the better choice. for rock crawling, don't even bother with the Tesla, or any car.
Percentage does not equal to degrees. You would not drive a car of a 30 % slope covered with snow. You would slide and crash. The 30 degree angle on your inclinometer equals to about 16.7 %.
Nope, it's inverted... 45%= 100% (1meter horizontal 1m vertical ) so... You can calculate...
Hummer H1 is and will be the only true Hummer based off the Humvee (HMMWV) Highly mobile multi wheeled vehicle. But the Tesla has more horsepower and is more lightweight and acts like a sled.
My model 3 did a solid 290 miles through the mtn pass, -3 degrees 💪 heated seats on,headlights, heated seats,
4wd low would lock the hummers rear diff and be out of the snow no problem + they are all terrain tires not ideal for snow
Exactly. Thank you from fellow H2 owner..
Lol
Telsa... Not Impressed. Most cars can make that climb
My opinion also, with proper winter tires and knowledge on how to use throttle and brakes you can probably get up that slope..
The way the Tesla applies smooth torque with traction control judging what grip is available is incredible. Tyres played a roll but drive train also
The guy in the hummer was using the E brake halfway lol. Fast forward this to 10 second feature on TH-cam to watch all this....had to. Can't wait for my p100d though, next month.
put on similar tires then do test its the only way that you should be doing these comparsions
The studs arent the problem, its the rubber compound. Hummer tires arent made in nordic conditions like lamelled hakkapeliittas for example. In nordic studded tires has also lamells, which provide huge amount of grip in various conditions. I assume you already knew all of this, but all of the viewers may not, as they doesnt live in nordic countries like we do. Great videos anyway, keep up good work!
Jupp. Mud Terrain is not good for winter driving. But good offroading. And look cool :)
Exactly :)
Yeah, i know. I am driving this Hummer :)
Are you from Finland :) Good to read when people is har real facts :) Finland is a winterland too :)
I don't think I explained good enough at 2:45. Studded tires must have harder rubber for the studs to stick. Studless are softer and will therefore grip better in snow. And to my surprise the studless also grips way better on wet tarmac.
im amazed how good that traction control works there. its just would need bigger lift and larger wheels. if thats possible . or put something aftermarket and you could have some light SUV off roader there.
Snow traction is all about the tires. A set of Blizzaks dedicated snow tires will work better than any studded tires in freezing temperatures. Doesn't matter if the vehicle is all wheel drive when each tire doesn't have traction.