Hello everyone, and welcome to my character analysis on Soren from Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance, and Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn! I hope you like it, and thank you so so much for watching :)
This was super eye-opening. The comparison to Ninian is brilliant. I’ve always loved Soren, but I’ve never been able to put my finger on what exactly made him better than other characters with similar flaws, I just knew that he was. This was an awesome video like always!
Soren might be my favourite in the series. Certainly, I've been voting him in CYL. While I ship him with Ike, I'm firmly of the opinion that both of them are asexual, which is pretty different! His exclusive dependence on Ike is unsurprising and very realistic when you look at his background. His abusive experiences and the fact that he grew up never talking are going to train him to feel threatened by literally everyone with no expectation of being able to influence anyone even if they don't try to hurt him. Ike is an exception and as a broken person, he will throw himself at Ike as a crutch. That's actually the expected psychology, especially as he's seemingly spent his formative years locked away and under the care of one person. It really shows through him having only two supports in PoR; one with Ike, and one with someone who persistently tries to get his attention (and Soren hates it). Finally, I have to have mention the PoR dev interview where IntSys mentioned originally having a route split where Ike chooses between taking Soren's advice and Titania's. Soren's meant joining Dein, and well that arc would very likely lead to a king Soren. And holy crap, that would be so cool. He'd be amazing and yet terrible, and I want to see that and this is why I'm pushing for Soren in CYL. /gush
AHHH!! Thank you so much for this. Soren is my favourite character in all of Fe as well. I absolutely loved this and in how much depth you went. I do disagree with the stereotype yaoi thing though. Soren is not submissive at all, like he's the sort of person who bullies others instead of getting bullied. But than again, that's how I view him. I asolutely adore this little cupcake. ♡ You earned yourself another subscriber!! :D
Soren is my favorite character in Tellius and one of my favs in the series. I love the sarcastic genius asshole with genuine flaws. He's an amazing character and one of the best out there
So glad you pointed out his similarities to Ninian! Awesome and balanced analysis on one of my absolute fave FE characters.... AND you've got a Madoka poster in the background?? 10/10 instasub (can we talk abt how similar soren and homura are tho)
Edit: Also, awesome 1000 subscribers! I wouldn't call Soren a gay stereotype, at least the way you descibed it to me, is more of a archetype. Because it fits more in to literary works. As well as the fact that Japan has many such charactions in their media, like the many deres... where a fictional character fits into a copy and paste mold. Or something...
path of radiance may be my favorite game to ever exist, and soren is one of the much more interesting characters in its cast. Great video! and nice gladr at the end!
Wow I never really looked much into Soren's character. Also never saw how dependent on Ike he was (which was blatant so my bad I guess haha). This was so interesting to watch! Keep up the great work! 😁
@@daisysaur9445 It is really fun. I play Fire Emblem Heroes and didn't get the Soren/Ike meme until this video lol. It's an interesting character dynamic. Thanks for educating me on a character that I was kind of curious about!
Soren is my favorite character by far in Fire Emblem. I loved this video! I actually never picked up on Soren having the uke character tropes until you mentioned it. Great video, looking forward to more from you! =)
Alright watching this video is now my inspiration for finishing path of radiance and radiant dawn. Not that they're bad or anything, they're just expensive
One of my favorite characters also! I love characters that arent just cookie cutter perfect, I like it when characters have faults that you watch them overcome
I can't really say that I'm a huge Fire Emblem person because I've only played one of the games (the 2004 GBA one) and I just never could get into the gameplay because I'm not into turn-taking with the exception of Pokemon. But I really liked the character designs for the games so I would always go on the wiki and research the characters and when I stumbled upon Soren's artwork, I was instantly drawn. I find it disheartening that people dislike him for being a "gay stereotype = via feminine and submissive" because to be perfectly honest, that's the reason why I like the character as a feminine, gender nonconforming person myself and the simple truth of the matter is that people like us exist so to complain about this character being this way I just find rather disappointing especially because it does seem like after hearing you explain his backstory, they put a lot of work into his character where he's more than just a stereotype even if it was beyond harsh. I also am happy you brought up the double standard where that if Soren was a woman, then he wouldn't be seen as problematic because there is a concept that if a man is dependent on someone for emotional support, it's seen as feminine, weak, and unacceptable as opposed to women. Again, this is why I like that they took a risk with Soren making him the way he was because if he isn't the standard, he had enough traits (his intelligence and loyalty) to show that he's not completely helpless Anyway, awesome video, I learned a lot about this character :D
I dunno if I'd consider Soren to be a gay stereotype. I understand why people might headcanon him and ike as a couple but there isn't really anything in the text to suggest this is the case. Even if they were in a relationship though I still don't think soren is a stereotype. Soren isn't a submissive character, so he doesn't fit in the uke role.
He was changed in localization a bit to have more bite. The point is mostly about how he acts towards Ike though rather than others. He fits it more in JP and for that I am forever grateful we have a sarcastic sassy strategist in ENG. Also bless his VA. Just switch the feh language to jp and tap Soren and you'll notice the difference.
I'd also just like to say I don't like the stereotype so I understand if you're not up to really delving into it. Valid. I'm just a bastard who spent too much time learning a ton about their fav.
He isn't and her "tie" with Ike seme archetype is a farce. He's living up to his father's shadow archetype which is why he starts off thin and becomes a man later on. Soren is not flamboyant at all and this archetype is played very hard with Leon and Valbar.
Awesome vid, Soren is one of my favorite FE characters too. His character arc is something you very rarely see written about, especially in videogames. I'm gonna be nitpicky about one thing, because I'm pedantic and like to argue. I think with the Ninian vs Soren comparison, the fans who make both of those stances are probably two separate camps. The people who say Soren is overdependent on Ike likely just had a casual playthrough where they didn't read supports or base conversations. Those same people probably just thought Ninian was really bland, since almost all of the elaboration on her dependence on Eliwood is in optional text. I would say people who analyze characters wouldn't really have a problem with either of them since they're both pretty well fleshed out (Soren much more so IMO, but that's probably due to the Gamecube having more room for text than the GBA). I get that "Soren is too dependent on Ike" and "Ninian's dependence on Eliwood is okay" are opinions that exist, but I just haven't seen anyone have both of those opinions at the same time. Sure, someone who thinks that probably exists but it's way too rare to say it's the common consensus, which is what you seemed to imply.
Wow, both a new Daisy video in a reasonable time, and based on Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn, the latter is among my top ten favorite games! What a great way to wake up on my day off. One thing I might advise you on: I think you might want to remove any references to male anatomy from future videos. It always kinda bugged me in the past, and it seemed to go slightly out of hand this time. I would have spoken up sooner, but no other TH-camr has ever even responded to my anti-profanity requests. Minor gripe aside, this may be my favorite video you've done so far. Your outros have vastly-improved, clutziness is a very endearing trait on TH-cam, considering how many overly-scripted videos I watch, and you're among my top 3 favorite TH-camrs! Please keep it up! Sincerely, your biggest fan (though not in a creepy way).
I actually like Soren, but hate Ninian. I'm alright with his relationship with Ike in Path of Radiance (there is room for improvement), but kind of don't like him much in Radiant Dawn... In almost every regard. Too bad about not having the Stefan supports, I'd of enjoyed seeing those here. For those of you wondering, Stefan basically says *Spoilers* Stefan is a branded, and he knows Soren is a branded, and tells him basically to come to the dessert after everyone he knows dies from old age.
I kind of agree, it's probably cos most of his growth happens in path of radiance, and because he is more important in that game. Also yeah he is very good in FE9, but not so much in FE10 from a battle unit perspective
Wait, you're saying Ike is Seme? Hahaha! Ahem, no. Sorry, but his build stems from him living up to his father's shadow archetype, not a seme archetype. Which is why he starts off only looking like a shadow to his father during Path of Radiance. As for the whole argument, Priam having Regnell is a sign that he either A. Found Ike's corpse or B. It was passed down and Ike is the only one to possess it not Mist so him being Mist's lineage is not the case plus this was 2007 and Japan was not really that open to gay marriage which is still an issue today. Trust me, Valbar and Leon are that archetypes, not Soren and he's not a flamboyant character either. Even with long hair are we going to call Ryoma gay for it? He's supposed to be a *recessive* yet also a *critical* character. I am forcing my opinion on you on this issue!
She bak.
on trak.
with a calico cat.
I proudly ship Ike x soren
BOOO i ship ike x brave ike x legendary ike x future ike alts
@@ntt996 You forgot Priam :)
Sorry it's Mia x soren
Me too and I am freaking proud😍
Always lost in his books
What did we say about him watching his back?
God damn it soren xD
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ITS YOU!!!
Go back to Mia, you enchanted spirit sword!
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This was super eye-opening. The comparison to Ninian is brilliant. I’ve always loved Soren, but I’ve never been able to put my finger on what exactly made him better than other characters with similar flaws, I just knew that he was. This was an awesome video like always!
Wow, thank you so much! I really love Soren, so I'm glad you think I was able to do him justice :)
Soren might be my favourite in the series. Certainly, I've been voting him in CYL.
While I ship him with Ike, I'm firmly of the opinion that both of them are asexual, which is pretty different! His exclusive dependence on Ike is unsurprising and very realistic when you look at his background. His abusive experiences and the fact that he grew up never talking are going to train him to feel threatened by literally everyone with no expectation of being able to influence anyone even if they don't try to hurt him. Ike is an exception and as a broken person, he will throw himself at Ike as a crutch. That's actually the expected psychology, especially as he's seemingly spent his formative years locked away and under the care of one person.
It really shows through him having only two supports in PoR; one with Ike, and one with someone who persistently tries to get his attention (and Soren hates it).
Finally, I have to have mention the PoR dev interview where IntSys mentioned originally having a route split where Ike chooses between taking Soren's advice and Titania's. Soren's meant joining Dein, and well that arc would very likely lead to a king Soren. And holy crap, that would be so cool. He'd be amazing and yet terrible, and I want to see that and this is why I'm pushing for Soren in CYL. /gush
soren a tactical genius being a ennemy sound scary. We are lucky he was are ally
How do I obtain an S-rank support with Daisysaur?
(Congratz on 1000 subs by the way)
B-but Mangs! We're not even related!
(Thanks for all your help :D)
Despite what Mekkah says, shoving does NOT help.
Please stop immediately
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Ummm...
you know what happens when you two aren't related.
This isn't Fates.
I've never been thanked for going back and pausing a video, it feels nice
My video froze there. I got McDonald's wifi. No. It worse than that.
The singing at the end actually got my cat’s attention
Little did you know, that was the whole point of the video!!
Me: "IM GONNA VOTE FOR MAKALOV IN CYL 3 AND NOBODY CAN STOP ME!"
Daisysaur: "MISS OBAMA GET DOWN!"
*EVERYTHING EXPLODES*
Don't do it! You have so much to live for!
Seriously though, if Makalov gets a sexy bunny alt or something I'm blaming you.
AHHH!! Thank you so much for this. Soren is my favourite character in all of Fe as well. I absolutely loved this and in how much depth you went. I do disagree with the stereotype yaoi thing though. Soren is not submissive at all, like he's the sort of person who bullies others instead of getting bullied. But than again, that's how I view him. I asolutely adore this little cupcake. ♡
You earned yourself another subscriber!! :D
Soren is my favorite character in Tellius and one of my favs in the series. I love the sarcastic genius asshole with genuine flaws. He's an amazing character and one of the best out there
Wow, two videos in one year!
I know, I feel like I should get an award or something!
So glad you pointed out his similarities to Ninian! Awesome and balanced analysis on one of my absolute fave FE characters.... AND you've got a Madoka poster in the background?? 10/10 instasub (can we talk abt how similar soren and homura are tho)
Edit: Also, awesome 1000 subscribers!
I wouldn't call Soren a gay stereotype, at least the way you descibed it to me, is more of a archetype. Because it fits more in to literary works. As well as the fact that Japan has many such charactions in their media, like the many deres... where a fictional character fits into a copy and paste mold. Or something...
path of radiance may be my favorite game to ever exist, and soren is one of the much more interesting characters in its cast. Great video! and nice gladr at the end!
1:12 Jagen: "no sire"
"Can we just agree that fire emblems 9 and 10 are amazing?"
Instant sub.
Wow I never really looked much into Soren's character. Also never saw how dependent on Ike he was (which was blatant so my bad I guess haha).
This was so interesting to watch! Keep up the great work! 😁
He's certainly an interesting character! Thank you for watching
I only watched the first two minutes and I subbed. Definitely going to go back and watch your older videos! Keep up the great work !
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I've been waiting for your next video lol. I just started my first time playing Path of Radiance. I like it so far.
Thank you for sticking around! Have fun playing PoR, I'm sure you'll enjoy it :D
@@daisysaur9445 It is really fun.
I play Fire Emblem Heroes and didn't get the Soren/Ike meme until this video lol. It's an interesting character dynamic. Thanks for educating me on a character that I was kind of curious about!
Soren is my favorite character by far in Fire Emblem.
I loved this video! I actually never picked up on Soren having the uke character tropes until you mentioned it.
Great video, looking forward to more from you! =)
Great video! I'm a big fan of Soren's character, and am glad there are others out there how feel the same same way!
another amazing video, my guy! soren is suuuuch a deep character and i totally adore him because hes... more deep than many tacticians we know
Alright watching this video is now my inspiration for finishing path of radiance and radiant dawn. Not that they're bad or anything, they're just expensive
Keep up the good work fren. Also Radiant Dawn is so good.
Yaaaay more fire emblem content for my time line!
Soren is my favorite video game character of all time and my main unit in heroes. Love the video!
One of my favorite characters also! I love characters that arent just cookie cutter perfect, I like it when characters have faults that you watch them overcome
I love her dorkiness keep the videos up love them
Great job, as usual. That cat looks like a rescue.
And I mean that in the best way (about the cat).
Great video! I love your content as always
Thank you very much! :)
The best tactician to ever lived
Grats on the 1K. Have another sub!
I can't really say that I'm a huge Fire Emblem person because I've only played one of the games (the 2004 GBA one) and I just never could get into the gameplay because I'm not into turn-taking with the exception of Pokemon. But I really liked the character designs for the games so I would always go on the wiki and research the characters and when I stumbled upon Soren's artwork, I was instantly drawn. I find it disheartening that people dislike him for being a "gay stereotype = via feminine and submissive" because to be perfectly honest, that's the reason why I like the character as a feminine, gender nonconforming person myself and the simple truth of the matter is that people like us exist so to complain about this character being this way I just find rather disappointing especially because it does seem like after hearing you explain his backstory, they put a lot of work into his character where he's more than just a stereotype even if it was beyond harsh.
I also am happy you brought up the double standard where that if Soren was a woman, then he wouldn't be seen as problematic because there is a concept that if a man is dependent on someone for emotional support, it's seen as feminine, weak, and unacceptable as opposed to women. Again, this is why I like that they took a risk with Soren making him the way he was because if he isn't the standard, he had enough traits (his intelligence and loyalty) to show that he's not completely helpless
Anyway, awesome video, I learned a lot about this character :D
You're back!!!!
I love fe 9 I need to play fe10
I'm back!!! Personally I prefer 9 over 10, but they're both excellent games and deserve to be played. I wish you luck finding a copy!
Yeah that's the big hold up.
Maybe after I finish dragon quest 11... that'll buy me some time
Nice analysis video. You have a cute demeanor and an excellent voice for TH-cam. Subscribed.
that dick joke got you a new subscriber lol
I dunno if I'd consider Soren to be a gay stereotype. I understand why people might headcanon him and ike as a couple but there isn't really anything in the text to suggest this is the case.
Even if they were in a relationship though I still don't think soren is a stereotype. Soren isn't a submissive character, so he doesn't fit in the uke role.
I think it is mostly his obsession to Soren, though I admit he is more tsundere about it.
He was changed in localization a bit to have more bite. The point is mostly about how he acts towards Ike though rather than others. He fits it more in JP and for that I am forever grateful we have a sarcastic sassy strategist in ENG. Also bless his VA. Just switch the feh language to jp and tap Soren and you'll notice the difference.
I'd also just like to say I don't like the stereotype so I understand if you're not up to really delving into it. Valid. I'm just a bastard who spent too much time learning a ton about their fav.
He isn't and her "tie" with Ike seme archetype is a farce. He's living up to his father's shadow archetype which is why he starts off thin and becomes a man later on. Soren is not flamboyant at all and this archetype is played very hard with Leon and Valbar.
@@anameyoushallnotknow1428 Not really the whole End-Game dying quote on the localization was a lot more romantic than the original line.
2:30 Ike also likes Soren's
Awesome vid, Soren is one of my favorite FE characters too. His character arc is something you very rarely see written about, especially in videogames. I'm gonna be nitpicky about one thing, because I'm pedantic and like to argue.
I think with the Ninian vs Soren comparison, the fans who make both of those stances are probably two separate camps. The people who say Soren is overdependent on Ike likely just had a casual playthrough where they didn't read supports or base conversations. Those same people probably just thought Ninian was really bland, since almost all of the elaboration on her dependence on Eliwood is in optional text. I would say people who analyze characters wouldn't really have a problem with either of them since they're both pretty well fleshed out (Soren much more so IMO, but that's probably due to the Gamecube having more room for text than the GBA). I get that "Soren is too dependent on Ike" and "Ninian's dependence on Eliwood is okay" are opinions that exist, but I just haven't seen anyone have both of those opinions at the same time. Sure, someone who thinks that probably exists but it's way too rare to say it's the common consensus, which is what you seemed to imply.
Soren is awesome
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Oh my goodness, his name is Soren just like me! And he wears his hair long just like me! I'M A FIRE EMBLEM CHARACTER!!!!!
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Did you say that you're going to be a (music) teacher? I can definitely see that.
Great presentations, all around.
Congratulations on 1k subs ! Only 99000 more until you receive the silver plate ;-)
Nice
SOREN is a good forge
Your pet always has the prettiest nails. What is her preferred line of cosmetics, does she paint them herself, and long does it take her?
Oh yeah Soren that guy that maxed MAG, SKL, and RES at lvl 13 in PoR for me
Hey, you're back making video.
Well, it's not like I was gone for a year this time!
How'd I never notice the similarities between Soren and Ninian?
He dies to Mangs Strats it's his biggest weakness.
Wow, both a new Daisy video in a reasonable time, and based on Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn, the latter is among my top ten favorite games! What a great way to wake up on my day off.
One thing I might advise you on: I think you might want to remove any references to male anatomy from future videos. It always kinda bugged me in the past, and it seemed to go slightly out of hand this time. I would have spoken up sooner, but no other TH-camr has ever even responded to my anti-profanity requests.
Minor gripe aside, this may be my favorite video you've done so far. Your outros have vastly-improved, clutziness is a very endearing trait on TH-cam, considering how many overly-scripted videos I watch, and you're among my top 3 favorite TH-camrs! Please keep it up! Sincerely, your biggest fan (though not in a creepy way).
2:36 You're welcome.
Well, since you started with the Greil Mercenaries, why don't you talk about Mia in a later analysis vid?
What did makalov do wrong
Mom:what did you learn today
Me: I learned about Sorren
Mom: what did you learn about Soren
Me: I learned he was gay
(Just a joke guys calm down XD)
Soren could be a trans-man. But then that would also leave room for Priam to also carry Laguz genes.
He big gay with Ike
yeah idk havent played Tellius at all
ROR
RD is good until you realise how dumb the blood contracts are.
I actually like Soren, but hate Ninian.
I'm alright with his relationship with Ike in Path of Radiance (there is room for improvement), but kind of don't like him much in Radiant Dawn... In almost every regard.
Too bad about not having the Stefan supports, I'd of enjoyed seeing those here. For those of you wondering, Stefan basically says
*Spoilers*
Stefan is a branded, and he knows Soren is a branded, and tells him basically to come to the dessert after everyone he knows dies from old age.
I kind of agree, it's probably cos most of his growth happens in path of radiance, and because he is more important in that game. Also yeah he is very good in FE9, but not so much in FE10 from a battle unit perspective
I actually never saw Ike and Soren as gay, I always thought they were like asexual/aromatic domestic partners. But that’s just me
Then Soren and Ike had a descendant called Priam .... wut?
Wait, you're saying Ike is Seme? Hahaha! Ahem, no. Sorry, but his build stems from him living up to his father's shadow archetype, not a seme archetype. Which is why he starts off only looking like a shadow to his father during Path of Radiance. As for the whole argument, Priam having Regnell is a sign that he either A. Found Ike's corpse or B. It was passed down and Ike is the only one to possess it not Mist so him being Mist's lineage is not the case plus this was 2007 and Japan was not really that open to gay marriage which is still an issue today. Trust me, Valbar and Leon are that archetypes, not Soren and he's not a flamboyant character either. Even with long hair are we going to call Ryoma gay for it? He's supposed to be a *recessive* yet also a *critical* character. I am forcing my opinion on you on this issue!