Fire Emblem: PoR - Ike & Soren - Full Support Conversation

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 เม.ย. 2013
  • (Sorry for the bad quality, this was pre-recorded AGES ago)
    Ike/Soren is probably one of the "longest" supports to get, as you can see below.
    A Support: Have Ike & Soren together for 19 chapters
    B Support: Have Ike & Soren together for 12 chapters
    C Support: Have Ike & Soren together for 5 chapters.
    Ike's Supports are done.
    Ike/Titania: • Fire Emblem: PoR - Ike...
    Ike/Oscar: • Fire Emblem: PoR - Ike...
    Ike/Lethe: • Fire Emblem: PoR - Ike...
    Ike/Ranulf: • Fire Emblem: PoR - Ike...
    Ike/Reyson: • Fire Emblem: PoR - Ike...
    Ike/Elincia: • Fire Emblem: PoR - Ike...
    Playlist:
    • Fire Emblem: Path of R...
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  • @VideoGamesEpic
    @VideoGamesEpic  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    I apologize for the low quality of my support conversations. These were recorded well over ten years ago, on a potato more or less.

    • @DW_Reckage
      @DW_Reckage 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      How dare you apologize...Report just came in...quality is perfect....

  • @blazegirl858
    @blazegirl858 10 ปีที่แล้ว +408

    Wait, so his sage taught him how to read, write and use magic but not how to talk? The man must have had some strange priorities....

    • @RoyPlummer1995
      @RoyPlummer1995 9 ปีที่แล้ว +151

      blazegirl858 He didn't really care for Soren. His only goal was to teach someone magic before he died.

    • @dalaxdercrisper957
      @dalaxdercrisper957 8 ปีที่แล้ว +88

      I feel bad for Soren. Get treated so harsh when he's child.

    • @johnmcswag5980
      @johnmcswag5980 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Wait isn’t it confirmed you need to speak to use tomes

    • @1WEareBUFO1
      @1WEareBUFO1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@johnmcswag5980 yes ,but they're not in common language that someone would understand.

    • @CursedCatTruffa
      @CursedCatTruffa 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@johnmcswag5980 Tomes use the ancient language Leanne and other herons use, and even then is a easier version of it

  • @InconceivableIndeed
    @InconceivableIndeed 9 ปีที่แล้ว +427

    Soren is the best Fire Emblem character.

    • @kilvasify
      @kilvasify 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      hands down

    • @TheSapphireLeo
      @TheSapphireLeo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      111 likes "twin flames" confirmed~

    • @1WEareBUFO1
      @1WEareBUFO1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not inconceivable

  • @emilymatthews2990
    @emilymatthews2990 5 ปีที่แล้ว +445

    I like to believe these two are in love and no one can change that belief.

    • @xuanathan
      @xuanathan 5 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      My personal headcanon, is that Ike only realises after the events of Radiant Dawn in their final conversation in the endgame.

    • @xuanathan
      @xuanathan 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Sickyo
      “They’re just good chums!”

    • @MrBankaikenshin
      @MrBankaikenshin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Priam has entered the chat

    • @ivannagarcia6754
      @ivannagarcia6754 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Emily Matthews exactly

    • @Knash
      @Knash 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@Nikogatai Yeah, that's something that the international translation made lose, because if the tabuu they are, another example is another Intelligent Systems character, the shadow siren Vivian, from the Paper Mario series, only in Japan and Spain is known that Vivian is actually a man, by a conversation on the Boogly Woods, on the English version the conversation was changed to Vivian wasn't a beautiful siren, because she's ugly, but on those version they said that there are only two sisters because one is a men

  • @xuanathan
    @xuanathan 5 ปีที่แล้ว +362

    These two I swear are intended as a couple. This is like a reverse of most other ships, where non shippers now need to explain themselves in detail.

    • @cosmictraveler1146
      @cosmictraveler1146 4 ปีที่แล้ว +75

      There is always a massive wall of texting trying to sink this ship Lmfao

    • @ChristianThatLovesGod
      @ChristianThatLovesGod 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Xuanathan I know I’m super late but Ike has a descendant that appears in awakening.

    • @torivega017
      @torivega017 4 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      @@ChristianThatLovesGod i know i'm late too but didn't Priam said that he was a descendent of ike in a fashion. From my understanding, he's trying to say that he is a collateral descendent and not direct descendent of ike which means that ike might not had kids of his own. Maybe Priam is a direct desendent of ike's siblings.

    • @ChristianThatLovesGod
      @ChristianThatLovesGod 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Tori Vega but doesn’t he implied he is a direct descendant? Even in the Wikipedia it says how he is Ike’s direct descendant and Mist’s I detect descendant. I’m the kind of person that believes that that is true since it is what’s implied in the game unless the game states otherwise since it is what the creators intended. Sorry if I sounded rude, I’m just stating my opinion :)

    • @torivega017
      @torivega017 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@ChristianThatLovesGod non taken. Wikipedia isn't really a reliable source since it's open to the public to edit. I personally believe ike had no children nor a lover since he's a JRPG hero and he's cool like that and somebody mentioned that Priam isn't canon (not created by the original team who worked on tellius). Priam is probably a commemorative character.

  • @strinktheaxel
    @strinktheaxel 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    I love these gay boys so much they're amazing. They bring out characteristics in each other that nobody else can. I love them ;w;

    • @trueblade3636
      @trueblade3636 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It is never implied or confirmed that they are homosexual or heterosexual.
      So they are not 'gay boys'

    • @Mauricio0973
      @Mauricio0973 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@trueblade3636neither straight boys! Besides, they're like, fictional, anyone can claim they're whatever they like if they're not hurting anyone

    • @jimecxd2597
      @jimecxd2597 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ​@@trueblade3636don't you get bored man 😭

  • @elizabethkblanco4620
    @elizabethkblanco4620 6 ปีที่แล้ว +100

    Soren acts more like Ike's mom than best friend in the C support.

    • @kariminami3388
      @kariminami3388 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sometimes, that’s what you need from your best friend. To have them act like a parent, I mean.

  • @restiana1613
    @restiana1613 ปีที่แล้ว +122

    "Priam exists so that means Ike got a girlfriend"
    In the Japanese version, Priam's name is Paris. Paris used to be Ike's original name before they changed it to Ike. You can see Ike as 'Paris' in an early Nintendo 64 screenshot(PoR was originally developed on N64 before they switched to GameCube) Paris represents his paralogue as an easter egg and a homage towards said development. He is not canon. It is correct that Mist is not involved here. Ragnell is not strictly inheritable from bloodline. And why everyone is suspicious of Priam/Paris. Ike says his heart shows love for Soren in a Tellius drama CD and the memorial book states that their hidden conversation in RD connected their hearts together. Ike only has two paired endings. Both are with men. Soren only have one paired ending in RD; Ike, and Stefan in POR. The only other time this happened in Fire Emblem series is when Lucius and Raven had their endings together. This went outside the traditional norm. There's strong evidence that both of them are into each other in various medias. In a Valentine skin in Heroes, both of them have a skin together. There's even more if you count on the Japanese version of POR where their lines have a whole other meaning to their dialogue.
    You have to remember that Japanese games in terms of showing romance is through poetry and context clues. This was especially in the early 90's to 2000 where LGBTQA+ and Church Crosses would be banned if they were seen or mentioned. Hence why there was a lot of queer baiting back then.

    • @angel_aeon
      @angel_aeon ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Also it would take some insane jumps to make Tellius canon with Marth and Chrom's universe lol.

    • @restiana1613
      @restiana1613 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@angel_aeon You can probably theorize that Awakening timeline caused a paradigm shift in all of the FE timelines, such as the great flood of Tellius that allegedly shaped to Archnea ala FE1. But that still doesn't make Priam canon. If he is canon, which I doubt due to aforementioned message, it's not guaranteed that he is a blood descendant of Ike or Mist or anyone in their family. It could just be a complete rando hero who happened to be able to wield Ragnel and thought he was related to Ike because of it.

    • @r.s.7929
      @r.s.7929 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Hmmm, because of the lack of explicit romance shown in the games, I just view Ike as kind of asexual. I believe he's not really into romance and is more focused on the way of the sword to test the limits of his strength, see what's out there in the world, and do good where he can. I mean, it's easy to see that Ike isn't sexually interested in women, but that does not automatically mean he's sexually interested in men either. The fact that his paired endings are only with males may mean that Ike simply has stronger bonds with the male characters than the female ones. Also, whether Priam is canon doesn't really matter to me. But in the face of enough evidence, the main one being the fact that Ike only has paired endings with males, the view that he's gay is not baseless; it's just that he gives off asexual / disinterested in romance vibes to me. That's just how I perceive his character.
      Also, I sort of view Ike and Soren's relationship as similar to Zelgius and Sephiran, as well as Sothe and Micaiah, in the sense that it's a special bond between a branded and someone they trust. I don't see them merely as just friends, but not as lovers either. Something more like partners for life, an eternal bond.
      I feel like sometimes we have a misleading tendency to just view all close relationships in fiction (and perhaps even in real life) in a sexual context (for example, some people insist that Sherlock Holmes and his partner John Watson are gay for each other, which is just ridiculous), when that's not necessarily the case. Another example would be "I want to eat your pancreas", where the boy and the girl are close, but they aren't in love with each other romantically, and the movie makes it clear that their relationship really isn't romantic. However, in Fire Emblem's case, since this isn't really made clear, you're still free to view them as canonically gay if you want; I'm just inclined to believe that their relationship is more of something else.

    • @r.s.7929
      @r.s.7929 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@restiana1613 Also, the inherent problem with the Priam argument is that the vagueness of whether he's canon or not allows people to commit an appeal to ignorance. Because Priam is not guaranteed to be canon or not, or because it is not guaranteed that he is or is not in Ike's bloodline or Mist's bloodline, people can just make claims in either direction. The way I see it, until Intelligent Systems confirms one case or the other, people should be free to just believe what they want about him. I personally headcanon that Priam or at least the concept of Ike's descendant/spiritual successor is real so that I can imagine that Chrom learned Aether from him in the wilderness of Valm (in order to surpass Walhart in combat prowess) as a story event, and not just a random gain from class promotion.

    • @r.s.7929
      @r.s.7929 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@angel_aeon Not really... all you have to do is just headcanon that Tellius is another continent in the same world, and that Ashunera's deeds are focused mainly on Tellius. Remember that life had already existed before her (the Zunanma). Other continents like Archanea could easily have had the dragons like Naga and Medeus exist independently from the goddess. Just make it so that Ike wanders until he reaches Archanea and settled down there, or if you don't like that Ike has biological children, just headcanon that he taught an apprentice and passed down Ragnell to him. The latest line of which would be Priam.
      Then again, Intelligent Systems makes little to no effort to connect the worlds of the protagonists back to Archanea after the Shozo Kaga era games (last of which was Genealogy and Thracia). Awakening was an exception, while Fates connections with Marth and Ike are highly dubious and are also just amiibo content. This could suggest that any connections, especially with the GBA and Tellius games, are highly unlikely to be canon unless explicitly stated otherwise. Still, they could make it work if they really tried, using reasoning such as what I had provided above.

  • @tehmaimed
    @tehmaimed 6 ปีที่แล้ว +277

    Lmao, A support sounds like a coming out story

    • @Arrowdodger
      @Arrowdodger 6 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      I mean, it pretty much is, just... not necessarily like we're accustomed to.

    • @emilymatthews2990
      @emilymatthews2990 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      I always had a strange feeling Ike was gay. He is just good at hiding it.

    • @nah4467
      @nah4467 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Really? I don't see it. I see two socially awkward characters that are being forced ship as if its canon. Ike only likes Oscar's cooking...and he loves meat so IkeXOscar!

    • @ShaazamR
      @ShaazamR 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@nah4467 everyone has to be gay lol. Homies cant be homies no more man. I'm not saying being gay is wrong or gay relationships are wrong. I just like to see them done right. Ike and soren open up to each other, yes, but if they pursue a romantic relationship all of a sudden it would seem like a shitty fan fiction. People can ship who ever tho, if sorenXike makes you happy then im sure you need it more than the rest of us do.

    • @Rezkeshdadesh
      @Rezkeshdadesh 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      This speaks to me on such a deep level.

  • @SkeletalMajesty
    @SkeletalMajesty ปีที่แล้ว +30

    "I don't give two figs who your parents are!" 😂 God I love Ike

  • @pamelahermano9298
    @pamelahermano9298 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    I appreciate how the modern Fire Emblem games actually have voice actors now. It adds so much to the characters.

    • @ctchimchar5258
      @ctchimchar5258 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I do too
      Although it does take me for a loop for the older characters
      Hector really mess with me personally
      Not saying the voice acting is bad
      I just personally feel that voice doesn't fit him

    • @francoisturcotte3982
      @francoisturcotte3982 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      To me personnaly it downgrade the experience. Most of FE voiceacting is cheap, sounds way too forced and silly (engage).
      I lile to just read text, imagine and picturing a character voice in my head, their mannerism, their attitude, their vibe. Way way more immersive and compelling with the story imo

    • @pamelahermano9298
      @pamelahermano9298 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@francoisturcotte3982 I can see what you mean, but I guess I’m specifically referring to Three Houses in that the voices really matched the characters and when I think of them I do associate their voices.

    • @francoisturcotte3982
      @francoisturcotte3982 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@pamelahermano9298 i didn't find TH voices acting good. It was less aggravating than Engage but it was mostly still bad plus the writting sometimes was off. FE was just better without voice acting and over the top anime waifu artstyle

    • @trueblade3636
      @trueblade3636 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      You should look up the clips with voices of Radiant Dawn. Really funny lol

  • @FromAgonyToLight
    @FromAgonyToLight 2 ปีที่แล้ว +98

    I empathize with Soren so much. Living a wretched lonely life, being hated for just existing. It was so surreal as a teenager hearing him talk, it was like listening to myself.
    His life was still FAR harder than mine, but still shocks me to this day how alike we are. I’ll never find an Ike for me, but perish alone and despised.

    • @nomorehero6231
      @nomorehero6231 2 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      I just wanted you to know, you aren't alone. There's many Soren's out there like you, maybe within that, you can find another and become each other's Ike, or even find your own, with time. So don't give up and say you're doomed to rot while you still stand. There's hope yet.

    • @trueblade3636
      @trueblade3636 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I agree. That's one of the reasons why I find it weird and disrespectful to say that Ike and Soren are both 100% gay.
      The whole world was attacking Soren because he was Branded
      One guy (Ike) was not. Therefore, Soren went to search for Ike.
      Soren never cried. But Soren did criy and got emotional at the end of the sequel, and Ike was there for him to consolidate him. That is not proof that Soren or Ike is gay or straight.

  • @paperluigi6132
    @paperluigi6132 6 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    0:37 That line returns in Heroes

    • @joakinglegend7664
      @joakinglegend7664 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Which one?

    • @SephirShen
      @SephirShen 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@joakinglegend7664 the one about Ike's eye twitching and it is with normal soren

    • @misty6873
      @misty6873 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Squirtle Foley wasn’t it with the valentines one?

    • @SephirShen
      @SephirShen 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@misty6873 Nope I only have normal Soren and he says that line

  • @Unknown-wb4ex
    @Unknown-wb4ex 3 ปีที่แล้ว +105

    Just remember, if Soren was a girl this ship would have sailed the seven seas

    • @thegreendragon5390
      @thegreendragon5390 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      If this Duology gets a Switch Remake, it'll sail the Seven Seas.
      We are in an age of Fire Emblem where it could happen.

    • @Unknown-wb4ex
      @Unknown-wb4ex ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Please I pray for it

  • @maelstromspiral484
    @maelstromspiral484 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Who came here because of the PoR child banner in FEH and the fact that Soren couldn't talk?

  • @thegreendragon5390
    @thegreendragon5390 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Had these games first been released in the days of the Switch, Sorin & Ike would have been an option to S Support.
    With modern Fire Emblem being a haven for the Shipping nuts, you can't convince me otherwise.

  • @isaac3000
    @isaac3000 9 ปีที่แล้ว +74

    I want to play the Tellius games so bad!!! Please Nintendo, Wii U e-shop!!!!!

    • @aneeshsrinivas892
      @aneeshsrinivas892 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +isaac3002 get path of radiance only

    • @isaac3000
      @isaac3000 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Jyothi Murthy Why only this? Isnt RD a direct sequel?With Ike again?!

    • @aneeshsrinivas892
      @aneeshsrinivas892 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      isaac3002 raidiant dawn was pretty much the worst game the us got.

    • @isaac3000
      @isaac3000 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Jyothi Murthy What really? And I thought it is one of the best since it has multiple armies...If I love the storyline of PoR I will try RD as well, if not I won't...thanks

    • @aneeshsrinivas892
      @aneeshsrinivas892 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      isaac3002 one of the problems was i found that radiant dawn's new units were the worst in the series also radiant dawn had the worst level design

  • @adamxero
    @adamxero 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Gawain's son and Ashnards son best friends

  • @enbypolyshostan
    @enbypolyshostan 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    no matter if you interpret it as romantic or platonic, they are obviously very important to each other and love one another. i have no issue with either interpretation unless you are like some of the freaks in the comments who are defending ike’s heterosexuality like it will ruin their life if a cool swordsman might happen to like men instead of women

  • @emmureee
    @emmureee ปีที่แล้ว +21

    yall gotta understand subtext. there are so many little things that can very well be used in support of them being at the very least semi canon. i’m sure in a 2005 game, they would not have made an openly non-straight mc especially for a series like this with the weirdest fanboys, but it could definitely be hidden in subtext. for example, them running away with each other can sound a lot like other lords living their epilogue with their straight options does it not?
    i’m just saying, i think those who outright deny the possibility of ikesoren or ikeranulf should at least see where we’re coming from. dont harass those who u don’t agree with (on both sides of the argument.)
    i’m also saying this as a dude btw (which shouldn’t even matter to be fr but only saying so im not simmered down to that ‘fujoshi’ stuff.) i can tell the difference between bros and people who have a little something going on.

  • @jadetealaaron2003
    @jadetealaaron2003 5 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    Something smells awfully fruity
    And it ain't Yoshi's deodorant

  • @CapOb314
    @CapOb314 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I will always consider Radiant Dawn to be the best FE game, but I wish that it had support convos. If it did, I would absolutely say it is a 10/10 FE game.

  • @TheSapphireLeo
    @TheSapphireLeo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    I wish there was a version of Soren where he taps into his Laguz half and shifts. I'd love to see him as a dragon, even if a bit smaller. Couple that with OP magic and imagine~ )* u *(

    • @braveasanoun5732
      @braveasanoun5732 5 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Unfortunately, Brandeds aren't able to shift at all.

    • @InuyashaetSesshomaru
      @InuyashaetSesshomaru 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@braveasanoun5732 that kinda sad. But you know he got royal dragon blood so maybe it's stronger or something like that. That what i like to think

    • @TheSapphireLeo
      @TheSapphireLeo ปีที่แล้ว

      @@braveasanoun5732 Unless for #fanservice sake they make him an item and/or he studies to make it, himself, if it means becoming more powerful and the strongest source of magic, as a royal Goldoan dragon Laguz, too? Look what they did to Rajaion, on the flipside? 63%, 22:49!

    • @TheSapphireLeo
      @TheSapphireLeo ปีที่แล้ว

      *In heroes?

    • @TimeturnerJ
      @TimeturnerJ ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Maybe one day. At the end of Radiant Dawn, Ashunera returns after a thousand years of slumber, and she promises to do right by the Branded this time.
      Some time later, Awakening takes place (we know that it's the same universe and continuity because of Priam's existence) and indeed, half-bloods like Nah and Yarne get the best of both worlds, with full ability to shift.
      Soren, being a royal dragon Branded, has a very long life expectancy. By the time Awakening takes place, he should still be alive somewhere out there (unless he died to unnatural causes somewhere along the way), and not even all that aged. He should be in a similar boat as Tiki, in that regard.
      So if these new generations of "Branded" have full access to their bestial birthright, what about the Branded who are still alive from the Tellius era?
      I like to think that Ashunera wouldn't just forget about them, especially since a lot of them were instrumental in reuniting the chaos and balance within her and making her see the error of her ways, so... Did their Laguz blood just simply awaken one day? Did all their other latent traits manifest at the same time?
      If so, that must've been quite the adjustment for them!
      I've always hoped that we'd get to see an older, wiser Soren one day in some future Fire Emblem game.
      A version of him who has had centuries upon centuries to reflect and heal, who has perhaps finally found a reason to live that isn't a long-dead loved one.
      A version of him that is perhaps... a bit more _dragon_ than he used to be. ;)
      I just think that would be neat. 😌

  • @thatonechickgirl
    @thatonechickgirl 11 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    cool I love it

  • @Weigazod
    @Weigazod 8 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    Fire Emblem Designer: Need to make more Boy Love subtext, fangirls love it a lot. XD

    • @Iam29941
      @Iam29941 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Lol I'm not a girl xD

  • @thattimestampguy
    @thattimestampguy 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    0:00 You're tired Ike, get some sleep. 0:57 Excuse me?
    1:11 Quiet and Moody Soren. 2:02 It must be... nice to have loving parents. 2:49 No love. 3:02 Rare Magical Talent 4:13 Soren could Read and Write, but he couldn't speak.
    5:29 Why do you feel insecure about who you are?
    6:45 I'm Branded. 7:20 Part Laguz. 8:12 So... What's the problem?
    8:36 You're Still Soren!

  • @toniconge7003
    @toniconge7003 8 ปีที่แล้ว +191

    I will ship Soren and Ike forever!!! The fact that Ike has an ancestor will never change that.

    • @HV100pre
      @HV100pre 8 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      I'm with you
      I'll die with this ship

    • @lisasemarron5413
      @lisasemarron5413 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Tony Kong me too

    • @Billyblue98
      @Billyblue98 7 ปีที่แล้ว +58

      I get the feeling you mean descendant. But oh well.

    • @0ctaviaPony
      @0ctaviaPony 7 ปีที่แล้ว +50

      Soren is a powerful mage. He can do baby clone magic easily

    • @abtinferdowsi
      @abtinferdowsi 7 ปีที่แล้ว +50

      Fun fact, Priam isn't even canon.

  • @why8016
    @why8016 5 ปีที่แล้ว +115

    THIS IS GAY THIS IS GAY THIS IS REALLY REALLY GAY
    i love it

    • @1WEareBUFO1
      @1WEareBUFO1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      repping an Ike and Soren pfp in 2019. brilliant

    • @bluntlyhonest6803
      @bluntlyhonest6803 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Why's it gay?

    • @PLAY-oe1nn
      @PLAY-oe1nn 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      sebastian larsen Where Ike and Soren are essentially bromance and Ike literally has no other romantic relationships from which I can tell. Honestly, I’d thought he’d had around Elincia or something. But considering Ike is a male protagonist from Nintendo that Path of Radiance was released in 2005, it’s hard to believe for me. However, I ain’t stopping no one from shipping this, I do it for the lols, though.

    • @PLAY-oe1nn
      @PLAY-oe1nn 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      why the pfp? Lol

    • @bluntlyhonest6803
      @bluntlyhonest6803 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@PLAY-oe1nn Well since pretty much 90 % of all samesex supports in fire emblem history has been bro/sismance that does not make this gay in any way shape or form. "Two people may like to talk and be around each other, that does not mean they would be romantically attracted to each-other" - Random villager, *Animal crossing new horizons*.

  • @axonn360
    @axonn360 9 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Is it true you can only have 1 A support with characters

    • @VideoGamesEpic
      @VideoGamesEpic  9 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      axonn360 Yes, only one A Support is possible.

    • @paperluigi6132
      @paperluigi6132 6 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      So it’s S supports without the marriage?

    • @chillstoneblakeblast3172
      @chillstoneblakeblast3172 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Paper Luigi Awakening and Dates should have taken notes. 3 houses please do.

  • @Rwq9923
    @Rwq9923 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Is funny how Soren saying this "9:21" isn't directly enough to people to understand

    • @dribble909
      @dribble909 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He literally just friendzoned Ike there wdym

  • @KampucheanDemon
    @KampucheanDemon 8 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    I think it's Soren being the gay one, cause Ike seems to just not talking to girls cause he has other things to worry about.

    • @Flamelance_Accendo
      @Flamelance_Accendo 7 ปีที่แล้ว +65

      Or y'know..
      they're best friends...
      *Y'know...?*

    • @Billyblue98
      @Billyblue98 7 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Ike is asexual

    • @tensugarcubes
      @tensugarcubes 6 ปีที่แล้ว +57

      Prince Lyon I'd assume the logic is "Ike shows no interest in women so he must be asexual".
      Because. I dunno.
      Het logic?

    • @tensugarcubes
      @tensugarcubes 6 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      which no offense to anyone who wants to think that but. that does seem to be the reasoning behind "Ike is asexual"

    • @killuazoldyck4289
      @killuazoldyck4289 6 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Alma Garcia one time I said I've never had a crush before, which was a partial lie and also because of internalized homophobia and the first thing this person said to me was maybe you're ace/aro... she had good intentions but... felt bad dude

  • @TheSapphireLeo
    @TheSapphireLeo ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Basically what being #mixedrace can do and depending on the enviroment and if neither side(s) except you and you become bitter and #misanthropic, and/or etc., and starved of love from it and your #heart either closes up, from self-defense and survival mode and/or grows colder and you isolate yourself more, growing up? Also why co-dependant on #Ike, as the only one who showed him kindness and not taking advantage of that, despite the power they gain?

    • @TheSapphireLeo
      @TheSapphireLeo ปีที่แล้ว

      59%, 23:03!

    • @TheSapphireLeo
      @TheSapphireLeo ปีที่แล้ว

      05!

    • @TheSapphireLeo
      @TheSapphireLeo ปีที่แล้ว

      We'll see if he can stop continuing to burn more bridges, still, maybe in heroes?

    • @TheSapphireLeo
      @TheSapphireLeo ปีที่แล้ว

      06! Though also a continual warzone of an enviroment and still in survival?

    • @TheSapphireLeo
      @TheSapphireLeo ปีที่แล้ว

      Also a tactitian as a job and also an oppertunist, thus far and also for all the afforementioned?

  • @1WEareBUFO1
    @1WEareBUFO1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Soren bonkers sage. His outfit in Radiant Dawn was lacking for an openly gay ubersage, though

  • @gyppygirl2021
    @gyppygirl2021 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I would like to remind everyone that there is an openly gay character in Radiant Dawn - Heather. When Intelligent Systems wants a character to be gay, it is extremely obvious. There is no subtext, just text. (Leon in Shadows of Valentia is another example. He may be the fruitiest character in the series.)
    Them not getting married isn't a "product of the times". It's just that they aren't romantically involved. That is all.

    • @polyman6859
      @polyman6859 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I mostly agree. Ike isn't into anyone romantically and is devoid of libido. Soren on the other hand probably wants to ride Ike like there is no tomorrow. Ok but seriously if there even is a whiff of romance its unrequited.

    • @gyppygirl2021
      @gyppygirl2021 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@polyman6859 I can definitely get behind the idea of it being one-sided, at least, although in the sense that it will probably never be reciprocated LOL

    • @polyman6859
      @polyman6859 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@gyppygirl2021 Yeah Ike just doesn't show any romantic or sexual interest in anyone. I swear people who pretend to have played Tellius are in these comments saying he's 100% gay or straight or blah blah. There is external evidence from some Japanese drama cd saying Ike and Soren feel love for eachother and likewise for Awakening having Priam exist but both of these are stupid. Ike doesn't dabble in attraction.

  • @Nonaryfame
    @Nonaryfame 5 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Just kiss already!

  • @polyman6859
    @polyman6859 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    "Ike is straight" "Ike is gay"
    Buddy Ike doesn't show romantic or sexual interest in anybody. I suspect there is a lot of fake Tellius fans in here who pretend to play the games...

  • @ericmath5469
    @ericmath5469 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Um nice couple ?

  • @megzarie
    @megzarie 7 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    I havent played this game yet but.... already i can see why people like to ship these two. Too bad awakening kinda ruined it with Priam supposedly being Ike's descendant. Can that really be considered cannon though? :/

    • @kevinbreeden5387
      @kevinbreeden5387 7 ปีที่แล้ว +101

      megzarie One could make the argument that Priam is a descendent of Ike's sister, Mist, so technically this ship can still work.

    • @TyetheMonadoBoy
      @TyetheMonadoBoy 7 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Given how much Priam takes after the "Radiant Hero" and the fact that he has Ragnell, it's extremely unlikely that Priam is Mist's ancestor, I mean Ike left at the end of RD and presumably never saw Mist again so even if Priam was Mist's ancestor there's no way he would have been able to get hold of Ragnell.

    • @irlenanan
      @irlenanan 7 ปีที่แล้ว +71

      megzarie Don't worry, Priam isn't canon.

    • @TyetheMonadoBoy
      @TyetheMonadoBoy 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The cooler Kakyoin too bad he is

    • @kilvasify
      @kilvasify 6 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      guys....they're not gay, they're friends....did people foget what they are? What a weird generation.

  • @goodluckbr1
    @goodluckbr1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    they are boyfriends.

  • @AmirysMewen
    @AmirysMewen 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    There is no heterosexual explanation for this

  • @cjw8497
    @cjw8497 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I hate that people say Ike is gay. Have you guys ever had a friend before?

    • @Rwq9923
      @Rwq9923 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ik, they fetishied their friendship

    • @Mauricio0973
      @Mauricio0973 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      They are friends who are gay

  • @petrus9067
    @petrus9067 4 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    How are you guys so salty over ships calm down. Let us have our interpretations
    With that said, ike is obviously not straight you are blind

    • @trueblade3636
      @trueblade3636 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Are you stupid?

    • @petrus9067
      @petrus9067 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@trueblade3636 ike is big Gay

    • @trueblade3636
      @trueblade3636 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@petrus9067 great Grammer
      That is no indication that he is gay. Don't care if he was

    • @Rwq9923
      @Rwq9923 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      "interpretations" lol
      look what Soren have to say about this: 9:21, unless you don't know what the word "friend" means

    • @NoneOtherThanIGmemes-dz5fe
      @NoneOtherThanIGmemes-dz5fe 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ike is straight

  • @lucydoodles2020
    @lucydoodles2020 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Come on let the gays have this one 😂

  • @Iam29941
    @Iam29941 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love how people try I said ike it Soren is bad but ike x elincia is the best ship ( which is not bc of radiant dawn)

  • @NintenDude0188
    @NintenDude0188 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wait so this guy is a racist but is also subject to racism? Why?

    • @jorges.1120
      @jorges.1120 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Well, he explains it quite well in the A support. Branded children are disregarded by both Beorc and Laguz alike. Soren isn't as racist to Laguz as say, Shinon, but yeah, he probably holds a grudge agaisnt the Laguz due to being branded himself. (Haven't finished PoR yet, so correct me if some base conversation explains this further)

    • @reviandelumiel2833
      @reviandelumiel2833 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He disgusts himself

  • @trueblade3636
    @trueblade3636 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Soren is branded. That is his secret. Not that he is gay.
    Secondly, Ike says zero 'gay' things
    In conclusion, no, they are not in love with each other

    • @Mauricio0973
      @Mauricio0973 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      They're still gay tho

    • @trueblade3636
      @trueblade3636 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Mauricio0973 good argument. Just kidding
      If you want to create some fanfiction I will not stop you. But in these games, he are not in love with each other

  • @semvision
    @semvision 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The gayest

  • @Mauricio0973
    @Mauricio0973 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This was fighting for gay rights and people were killed

  •  5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    This sounds a lot like a little brother talking to his bigger brother about what he actually is. That's all. Ike was never gay and now after seeing the A ending it's very clear Ike does not have any romantic interest in soren but he see's him as his friend and also little brother.

  • @brideofduscur
    @brideofduscur 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I’ve never really shipped Ike and Soren. 🤷‍♀️
    I say this because Soren looks up to Ike in more admiration than love. I could delve into the psychology of it all, but it would take a long time to explain everything.
    Besides, since Ike has a descendant, it’s pretty obvious he and Soren never got together. 🤷‍♀️

    • @reviandelumiel2833
      @reviandelumiel2833 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You can tell that to the hidden scene in Radiant Dawn ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    • @reviandelumiel2833
      @reviandelumiel2833 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Besides, Priom is descendant of Mist, dummy

    • @brideofduscur
      @brideofduscur 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Revian de Lumiel looking at the official Wiki, it says that Priam would be a possible descendant of Ike, since Priam himself claims to be the descendant of the Radiant Hero, as well as wielding a sword that looks a heck of a lot like Ragnell. Please do your research before you come here to insult me.

    • @brideofduscur
      @brideofduscur 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Revian de Lumiel even here, on the official Wiki (fireemblemwiki.org/wiki/Priam ), it says Ike is a direct descendant, while Mist is an indirect descendant. “Direct descendant means those who are biologically descended from a person, while an indirect descendant means someone who is of a blood relation, but not a biological descendant.” Essentially, this means that biological relation, such as a child, can be traced and called a “direct descendant,” while an uncle, aunt, and others that are blood related but not necessarily their children are “indirect descendants.”
      Again, do the research before you insult others.

    • @reviandelumiel2833
      @reviandelumiel2833 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@brideofduscur aren't you a clever one. First of all, Priam isn't even Canon, while the hidden skit "when two hearts become one" from Radiant Down surely is. What I said about Mist was because I thought it was said in an interview Priam is actually descendant of Mist. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't remember well, but the thing about radiant dawn is enough proof. Anyway, I didn't intend to offend you. It's not like I wanted to say dummy in an aggressive way or something

  • @NoneOtherThanIGmemes-dz5fe
    @NoneOtherThanIGmemes-dz5fe 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    And this is why Ike and Soren are not gay.
    Im not being rude and i dont want to offend anyone.
    but, truly Soren and Ike are not gay.

    • @Torzgazer
      @Torzgazer 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      For a Japanese game made in the early 2000s, this is pretty gay. The newer fire emblem games allow main characters to be gay. If this game got a remaster, or was released in the more recent years, I wouldn't be surprised if Ike and Soren supports became explicitly romantic.

    • @Rwq9923
      @Rwq9923 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Torzgazer > having a friendship and caring about your friend is pretty gay.
      this is copium, you can ship them if you want, just don't try to pass your fantasies as canon.

    • @Torzgazer
      @Torzgazer 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@Rwq9923 never said it's canon, it's just queer coding at it's finest. Anyone I hope they remake the tellius games and make ike and Soren actually gay just to spite you

    • @Rwq9923
      @Rwq9923 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Torzgazer "For a Japanese game made in the early 2000s, this is pretty gay.", "never said it's canon", you gotta be less contradictory in what you say.
      "it's just queer coding at it's finest." another copium of a person that doesn't know the meaning of friendship.
      I wouldn't care if a remake of this FE retcon their friendship into a romantic relationship, you can settle with that, this frienship relationship will always be the canon.

  • @SeriousMcnegative
    @SeriousMcnegative ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Everyone thinking there is a gay angle to this when they are men who have a deep bond. Sad that so many people mistake that for something as trite as sexual attraction.

  • @CorrellLeo
    @CorrellLeo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Why do you all assume Ike is gay...
    There’s no obvious hints.

    • @Sina-dv1eg
      @Sina-dv1eg 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      I really hope you're being sarcastic.

    • @raiseanothermanskidsforlov4920
      @raiseanothermanskidsforlov4920 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Cause people wanna make everything gay nowadays

    • @kaikosugarcat7564
      @kaikosugarcat7564 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Raise Another Man's Kid For Love I have to say that this is true, nowadays people seem to do it on purpose and attack people just because they don’t agree with them and proceed to bombard them with their “evidence”. I still want to believe that there is good people in this type of stuff, it’s just that they are being hidden somewhere deep.

    • @ChristianThatLovesGod
      @ChristianThatLovesGod 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      KaikoSugarcat75 ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ that is so true! I was having an argument with people about persona 5 (one of my fave games that I played when it first came out) and they were saying how one of the characters (ryuji) was gay or bi even though in the game he clearly says how he is not interested in man and shows only interest in women.

    • @kaikosugarcat7564
      @kaikosugarcat7564 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Marth Main I get you, but sadly sometimes we have to remain quiet because this type of people are very stubborn about their “ship” and won’t listen to others opinion, they only want to hear that you agree with them. I am telling from experience because I had to deal with one of this shippers, I was saying my opinion and making sure it did not sounded rude to others, then one of them started to show their evidence. I proceeded to tell him “I don’t want to feel forced to like something just because a big portion does”, he then replied “wether you like it or not, it is this way”. Its like we are not even allowed to express our opinion freely because this people are going around there and forcing it, not even trying to approach in a peaceful way, the bad thing is that this people are actually most of the times toxic. And I have to say, I thought that I was the only one thinking this way, but here we are in a safe place to tell our opinions at least. Btw, this is really helpful to me, thanks a lot!

  • @mcdonkey500
    @mcdonkey500 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Reminder Ike is not gay and neither is Soren. All the tumblr fanfiction in the world will never change this.
    Also Priam

    • @bluntlyhonest6803
      @bluntlyhonest6803 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      The only Support Ike has that shows the tiniest bit of romance is his A support with Lethe where she wants him to come visit her in Gallia, (Not that she'd care or anything (Baka) ) so why people are so pent up on Ike being gay and awkward with girls don't really make any sense. Hes the commander of an army, He aint got time to go around flirting with every girl in camp and none of his supports with men seems gay, that just Guys talking and having banter and generally being bros.
      To sum up. Ike isnt gay.

    • @Iam29941
      @Iam29941 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Priam probably is not canon
      Also you know ike could have a child.. Ans'd be with Soren

    • @CursedCatTruffa
      @CursedCatTruffa 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Except you should base your information on the base game (Tellius duology) and not Awakening which is an unrelated game; Tellius literally had two whole games of subtext saying Ike and Soren can and should be read as romantic. Also we all know if Soren was a girl this won't be a discussion.

    • @NoneOtherThanIGmemes-dz5fe
      @NoneOtherThanIGmemes-dz5fe 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      thank you for saying Ike and Soren are not gay. cuz they are not gay.