VERY advanced wing design, even by today's standards, eh? Plenty o' thrust too... and the rear-ventral "Air Stairs" or "DB Cooper" door, well, that's just gravy, baby!
The 727 without a hush kit, the only airliner that would take the pictures off the walls at the FBO I worked for. FedEx cleared for takeoff!!! When those JT8D'S would spool up you knew you were about to hear pure magic. Nothing beats the sound of 3 8D's barreling down the runway begging for altitude!
I used to live in OKC close to the incoming flight path..basically above Meridian Ave I remember Braniff Airlines flying past would increase & decrease the engine speed on there 727's the roar was great to experience.
Were 727s the loudest aircraft you've ever encountered? I agree, 727s were very loud in full takeoff power. I've also encountered the BAC 1-11s. Those twin-engine aircraft take off like rockets, extremely deafening, could wake up the deceased for miles around. I still miss those 727s dearly.
@@jerrysanders9101 We spent a lot of time studying systems and controls in ground school. Then we spent more time practicing panel flows in the simulator before we ever got to touch the actual plane. By the time you were ready for Inital Operating Experience in the real plane with an instructor pilot, you had already passed your Turbojet Flight Engineer FAA checkride in the simulator and knew every switch and gauge in the cockpit like the back of your hand :D Cheers.
I flew it as FO for two years after 14 years in ancient in steam gauge T-Props. Hell, we may have flown it together. Thank you for all your hard work! I miss that jet. Everything after it was pretty cool too, but boring with no soul. "Push this button to go there". Etc. All of them hand flew nicely, but all the electronic "help" was sometimes more work than help. For example, first week at TK in the procedures trainer ( on 757) and I was lost as it was my first glass/FMS airplane. The FMS was still largely a mystery to me. We departed LAX and were out "pushing buttons". The instructor says to my partner "descend and maintain XXXX, proceed Direct LAX".....she dazzles her fingers on the MCP and then in the box. The airplane does it all, perfectly. He then had me do the same thing...I turned off LNAV and set the VOR for DIR LAX. Turned off the AP and FD, pulled the throttles to idle, turned toward LAX and pushed the nose over. My instructor said that a Standards Guy would either fail me on the spot, or stand up and applaud depending on who it was. I just laughed and figured it out eventually.
Great to see what my dad used to do on the Engineer's panel. He flew on 727s, 707s and the mighty 74s, which he loved. I lost dad two months ago today.
Guess 🤔 John your gonna have to sign up for professor Mike Robison's class now 😁! PS - My bet you'd ace it 😉. Hope you get the opportunity to visit (& play around in..) your old-flight deck, quite the connection you must have ☺- best wishes & thanks for the Fed-Ex packages.
@@NesconProductions I actually very well may. That's located not too far from other places in the northeast that I'm going to see. So I just might make a detour and go see it. I bet the professor doesn't want to come all the way out there just to let me in the plane, but maybe I can talk somebody into it. It would be fascinating to be back in the old girl. I stopped flying the 727s in 2000 when I transferred to the DC-10, so it's been a very long time, but I actually still remember a fair amount about them. Thanks for putting up this video; it's been a real memory jerker.
@@kc8t That does sound very tempting and I will definitely consider it. I don't know precisely when I'll be in the northeast again, but maybe next summer when it wouldn't be so cold to be in the plane. Thanks for the idea. I would really like to see my old office.
after 30 years working on this great type of plane, and being away from them for 14 years, i miss them so much! i loved evey minute i was around them working on them or flying in them. long live the 727!!!!!
The most beautiful jet liner ever built. I watched three in a row take off the Marines from Moses Lake, WA and head south with a wicked 90 degree left hand turn right after lift off in the early morning. I could almost hear the Marines say, “We’re outa here!”
B727 was my first jet as a pilot coming from the turboprops. Had the luck to fly ALL versions. B727-100, B727-200, Valsan conversion, B727QF and the Super-27. What an amazing aircraft.
I'm just a pilot rated for single engine. I always looked up to you the men and women who fly the 727's their skill set and flight engineering talent never fails to amaze me.
Was an instructor and flew all 3 seats ! Amazing airplane! Was an instructor in the 747 and 767 also! 727 was my favorite except for the 747 SP ! Flew into the old Hong Kong 🇭🇰 airport with the IGS approach with the 747SP ! Favorite Approach! Thanks for posting! Brought back a lot of memories!
My grandfather was a captain on the 747 and became an instructor also and I remember him when I was young telling me about the Hong Kong approach. I believe he flew the constellation and brittania also. I wish he was still alive to have conversations with
Worked that airframe and tail many times over the 30 plus years at KIAD for FedEx . I was part of a legacy that participated in an airline that went from analog jet ops to digital jet ops.. Jumpseating in a DC-10 a300 and the 727 it brings back memories from decades of frontline hands on work.. the 727 was the last of the sensory analog only skillset You neded to identify problem as it happened. No computers..
Planes were so much easier to fly before computers. I have a 1974 Cessna 172M with its original panel. I have seen several of these wonderful planes ruined with those stupid video game panels. Even if you "learn" how to use them, they are not intuitive like the old panels with mechanical instruments and switches.
Back in the late ‘70’s, I was a ramper in Santa Barbra, CA, loading baggage in UAL’s -200’s. The aft baggage door is directly below the engine. My 10 percent hearing loss I attribute to the few times I forgot my ears and took too long to load. That rising whine was always a warning to get the hell on with it!
As an airline pilot, I jump-seated on an Iberia 727-200. There was the captain, the copilot and the flight engineer-then I on one jumpseat and another commuting pilot on the other jumpseat. As it was a popular segment for crews commuting, and the flight was full, the Captain permitted two female flight attendants to jumpseat, as well! I and the other jumpseater, each had a flight attendant sitting on our laps!😊. 7 people on the flight deck, for the entire flight❤
727s are louder idling than modern jetliners are at WOT. The JT8D absolutely holds the record for the noisiest turbofan engine ever bolted to an aircraft. But I love 'em to death.
For a while we installed "mufflers" on them. They were called hush kits that mixed bypass air with turbine exhaust. Even then, they were banned in UK, I think.
My first reaction was "WHAT? no way." then I realized you qualified it with turboFAN. Noisy for now, for sure. Back then that first-generation fan jet was such an improvement over the older "straight pipes" that Eastern called them "whisper-jets." The person who came up with that term apparently had never been to the airport :-)
The Lockheed L1011 TriStar was nice looking also in my opinion. Well, at least the front section was. I loved how far back the nose gear was positioned. The nose and windshield looked awesome.
Beautiful 727 "Whisper Jet" : 3 holer, Tri-jet, Trisaurus, Triple crome-plated stovepipe, Jurassic Jet, Ear Blaster, The Scooter 173 passengers and cruised at 605 miles per hour JT8D-17 engines and to say they were loud was an understatement. They made the earth tremble, set off car alarms, and triggered many noise abatement fines at airports that had sensitive areas.
That was great, quite the setup and kudos to Penn College & professor Robison ! Had one flight in a 727. Was in the back row of the aircraft (fate of my 'economy' ticket). When that jet went to full-power on take-off felt & sounded like being in a rocket 😳 (and seem to climb out like one too 😲). Quite an iconic bird, miss seeing them flying into /out of PHL!
For starters, we would need engine number 2 up and running, along with clearing about 100 other discrepancies. For example, it needs new tires. A lot more fuel would help. Also, we would need to send "ordinary family" to type rating school. Oh, and one more thing, we would need to buy a different insurance plan. We are just hoping the son chooses us for maintenance training.
I remember many years ago back in the mid-80's. I was stationed in Myrtle Beach, SC. On weekends we would go up to Maxton, NC to skydive. Charlotte Aircraft Sales had a compound on that field where they parted out 1st generation airliners. One of the weekends we were there...I noticed they had flown in an old Air Jamaica DC-9-30. I was very familar with the DC-9 because I had worked for Delta Airlines in Detroit before entering the military. I had experience starting up the APU's and did it often since our evening shift often moved overnight aircraft on and off of gates. I went back to Maxton the following weekend on a Sunday when the FBO was closed and a friend of mine and myself got into the DC-9 and fired up one of the engines.
Thank you for sharing. I flew on many 727-200 in my beginning couple of years. I still love those aircraft. I have seen over the last couple years, 727s being used as cargo aircraft. That is not bad either!☺☺✈✈✈
Oh the whine of the turbines and the smell of JP-4 in the morning! I think I'll get a retired DC-9 or MD-88 with engines in place, cut off the wings, and truck it to my acreage set it on concrete piers and invite friends to ride aboard as we go "flying" without leaving the ground!
I miss hearing the ignitor sirens on the DC-9 upon engine start up. Just like the 727, the DC-9 was a great airplane to fly on. I miss Northwest Airlines, as they used to powerback both the 727's and DC-9's, especially in Memphis.
You sir, are amazing. Teaching people how to start a legendary airplane. I would love to do that myself. Love those JT8D’s! Thank you for the amazing video
Incredible video of the 27. Didn't know Penn State had access to one. I would love to witness this walk through some day. The 72 was an amazing aircraft.
My first ever plane trip was in 1984 when I was only a 14 year old teenager. It was onboard a Delta Air Lines Boeing 727-200 series jetliner from Tampa, Florida to Indianapolis, Indiana, with a very quick stop over in Atlanta, Georgia. My sister and grandma flew with me. Grandma insisted we go visit my Uncle Larry and Aunt Betty. They are wealthy and bought all three of us a ticket. I'll never forget the flight. It was so much fun. I even paid $5.00 to my sister to get the window seat. I let her have the window on the way back home.
In the next video, the Ordinary Family flies the 727 across the country and shoots a CAT III approach down to 600 RVR. Maybe not. Cool video. I hope it maybe inspired the son to start his training to become an A&P. We can always use more. Mike knows his stuff.
What would be cool is to graft the 727 tail on a 707 and have a 7 engines mother craft for air launch rockets pulling into a steep climb to point the rocket in the correct direction before separation. Go over the top like a loop but invert before reaching the top.
727 are my favorite aircraft as the first one I traveled when I was an early teen. With TAA and Ansett in the 80s. I would love to do this 🥰 and simulator's 👍 I work with aircraft as baggage, and enjoy it. 717s, Dash 8s, A320s and soon to be A220s. Have serviced 737, 767, Ba146, and help engineering with all sorts of things. Love this job. Totally awesome 😎
My first ever plane trip was in 1984 when I was only a 14 year old teenager. It was onboard a Delta Air Lines Boeing 727-200 series jetliner from Tampa, Florida to Indianapolis, Indiana, with a very quick stop over in Atlanta, Georgia. My sister and grandma flew with me. Grandma insisted we go visit my Uncle Larry and Aunt Betty. They are wealthy and bought all three of us a ticket. I'll never forget the flight. It was so much fun. I even paid $5.00 to my sister to get the window seat. I let her have the window on the way back home.
Ah yes memories, like all the pilots and flight engineers commenting here. My memories are slightly different though. I remember seeing one of these fly over as I was making out with Peggy Sue, the neighbor's daughter, behind the chicken coop on our farm. That meant it was late enough in the afternoon to start drinking. Great times.
My first post piston engined jet ride was from Denver Colorado to Lincoln Nebraska on Frontier Airlines. Back in the day, you left Alamogordo New Mexico on a 40's vintage Convair 580 then switched to a 727 to Lincoln. I flew on the 727 till a year or two before it was retired from passenger service. I loved riding in the rear of the cabin listening to the music of that tri-motor aircraft.
I wonder what their neighbors think, hearing those jet engines run? They're probably thinking, "take that airplane back to the airport where it belongs". I can only imagine how much it's costing them to keep all the systems operating on the plane. As a passenger, I've flown onboard at least a few Boeing 727 jetliners. They include Delta, Pan Am, Eastern, TWA, Piedmont, Northwest, and yes, even Trump Shuttle. Of course, Trump Shuttle was all 727-100 series aircraft. I'm probably forgetting at least one airline that I've flown on with the 727. In my opinion, the Boeing 727-200 series aircraft were the best looking jetliners ever made in existence. Absolutely beautiful and sexy. I wished Boeing had kept building them but with modern technology such as the avionics, control systems, engines (similar looking) and maybe more advanced aerodynamic wings. Possibly with wing tips that are similar looking as the ones on the 767-400ER, but obviously much smaller.
Now that was cool. I love the 727’s. I’ve never flown professionally. I wish I did. I always thought it was out of reach for me. Now they can’t get enough people to pilot planes. Anyways, I really enjoyed watching this video. It always amazes me that the flight engineers job left. But like many other things, technology took that job away. Thank you for the video.
Nice! Flown on the 727-200 a few times (Delta & Continential Airlines) as well as worked on them while employed as a ramp agent for Integrated Airline Services (KIAH) in 1999, one of our clients (Kalitta) used the 727-200's for air cargo.
@@MajorCaliber Yes, as I mentioned in my post above about my employment with IAS at KIAH in 1999, the ramp we worked at happened to be just across from the FedEx terminal and I recall seeing their 727-200's a few times (along with their usual other tri-engined jumbos). We once had to borrow their air starter when ours died on us (we were trying to start one of our BAX Global DC-8-72 at the time), it was very nice as their equipment was incredibly quiet compared to ours.
As a maintainer this brings back fond memories as a in-flight mechanic for a operator out of Cincinnati named sunworld international, we flew a lot of trips for apple tours, going into airfields with NO kind of A/C support, no pushback meaning we reversed out of parking with me marshaling the dropping the aft airstair to get onboard when I got it into position for taxi. Man those were fun days.
I used to travel in this aircraft when I was young (many times)… I miss its comfort, its amazing back door ❤ and believe it or not, I miss its wonderful engines noise 😂
I used to go from EWR- KIN, With EAL, whom flew B727-200 on that route, I flew with them for 16 years stayed with mom,for CHRISTMAS, the really ODD THING, was the SAME CREW except once the 1st officer was different, so everybody knew me, & I knew them, when the end came, I walked the picket line, and did see people I knew, EASTERN, was a good airline, I still miss them I lost track of most now, but several went to UNITED., ,,,,, 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I used to run those in Mojave by myself. I also had to taxi one out of the storage yard because the tug broke down and we had to get it ready to go. I love that aircraft!
Ah yes the three holer. Worked on -100's and -200's at two different airlines. Great airplane from a mechanics standpoint. Great dispatch reliability. Flying tank. I miss working on them. Different position for the fire handles, I'm used to them being located on the glare shield middle above the engine instruments. Must have had JT8-15's or -17's on that airplane due to how quick the EGT came up after the engine lit off, the -7's /9's /and -11's the exhaust temp would just crawl up after light off. Great to see one still able to be brought to life.
By the sound of this particular 727 I don't think it's been fitted with a hush kit. That makes it more rare, and valuable. Literally, what a blast this must have been to start it.
These were always a great looking plane, I especially like the variant that they created for use in the movie Contact that was H R Haden’s personal jet.
Mom can hop on into the driver's seat, Dad did ok just a little tentative, son...maybe stick with being a passenger. Great video of the classic 727 and firing up the awesome Pratt and Whitney JT8D!
They weren't grounded .. the FAA forced retirement on all domestic operating passenger 727 first but gave cargo operators an extension with FEDEX being the last airline to operate them..
FedEx is not the last airline to operate them. Kalitta II Charters still operates a small hand full of them and I'm delighted to say you can still see them arrive and depart Cincinnati every day! For how long, I don't know. I hope to get back into dispatching and work out a jumpseat on one before they're truly all gone! Missed my chance with the L-1011 :(
The only time a flew on tri-jets was in october 02' RSW-DTW on a NWA 727. Was to fly on KLM but ended up on a NWA DC10-30 on DTW-AMS. Havent flown on a tri-jet since. But while in ORD i saw a lot of Fedex 727s with windows.
Just goes to show how hard it was to be a pilot back then....nowadays its a couple of switches and it's all running...it amazes me how easy it is to start one now.
30 years ago I was starting a 727 apu with another mechanic. We went through the procedure several times and nothing happened. We shut everything off and turned off the batteries. We walked back to the hangar and was about to step through the door when we heard the whine and the whoosh of the apu starting. We gave each other a look and bolted back to the airplane. Got inside and configured everything with no other issues. The only thing we could think of was a stuck relay causing the delayed start . Today we flip a switch and let the computer do everything.
I was in Saltillo in summer as a FE and flipped on the packs to start cooling the cockpit while I did the preflight walkaround. Capt and FO were still in FBO or something.. As I came around the right side of the front fuselage I saw white smoke pouring out of the overwing APU exhaust. Ran back around to the stairs and started up them as the smoke was now turning thick black and: Pewwwww!.... It shut itself down...Had to defer it and huffer start the plane.... So much for cooling off. 😃
I love this and find all things about commercial jets fascinating, I particularly love the tri-jets like the DC-10, L-1011 and the 727. I love the sound of jet engines starting and the power and sound at takeoff, where can I go do this?? Awesome video!
@@BillPalmer Do you realize not every viewer of this channel is not a Sully like you. I doubt if Sully were here, he would be so hip and cool as you. using aircraft acronyms. He would understand as smart as he is, he would not try to show up others using terms like GA. EFB, TOGA, FO. But you are not him you need to prove what you know. That type of person is known as a know it all or smart ass
@@K1OIK Burt. When talking about the crew positions on a 3 pilot jet, those are pretty common terms. I'm sorry if you weren't familiar. When asked for clarification I gladly provided it with no snarkiness. A simple "thanks for the clarification" would have been more appropriate. It's a TH-cam comment, cut me some slack. For your reference when I write on a more formal or technical level , such as in my book Understanding Air France 447, I explain every term and concept, though one must first assess the knowledge base of the target audience. For example, for that book I targeted "aviation enthusiast" and above. Therefore that audience should have a base knowledge of a certain set of terminology. That they'll know what the various part of a plane are, might be a little weak on concepts like angle-of-attack, but possibly completely unfamiliar with terminology like CPDLC (controller pilot data link communications). This video is showing the fairly technical start sequence on the 727. It seems fair that the typical viewer has at least some interest in the subject and probably know what the crew positions are often called. You obviously didn't. I thank you for asking when you didn't know. Sorry you apparently got offended somehow in the process.
Flew on Air Mike from HNL to MNL all through FSM… Enewetok, Marjuro, Kwajalein, Kosrae, Pohnapei (sp)… 😊it was a bus stop route… you could get off on any island and get back on 3 days later when it passed through again… cargo net separating first class area (that was converted for cargo (chickens etc)) one of the captains recognized us and asked what we were doing… told him we (my wife and 6 month old) were traveling around the world stopping and working for room and board - upgrading resorts SCUBA staff & Mariano underwater videos… we were heading to Pohnpei he asked us if we had heard of Nan Madol (the Venice of the Pacific). Told him we had read about it… he said I will announce 15 minutes before we get there - then do a circuit around it on the port side… sure enough he took us right over Nan Madol and banked hard to port so we were looking almost straight down… amazingly agile plane… an experience I will never forget…
If the Wright Brothers were around to see the amazing changes in aviation I'm sure they'd be astounded. Who in 1903 could possibly imagine how complex powered flight would become?
I flew 727's 14 years. I have nearly 8,000 hours in them. My first type rating and Capt. position. Hell of an airplane. Nice to see the cockpit again.
Same here, Kevin. My favorite airliner, by far. Those were the days man.
That's why John Travolta owns one.
VERY advanced wing design, even by today's standards, eh? Plenty o' thrust too... and the rear-ventral "Air Stairs" or "DB Cooper" door, well, that's just gravy, baby!
@@MGreen-vz6yb No...he has a 707...
We flew in a lot of 727's traveling following my dad he was USAF
The 727 without a hush kit, the only airliner that would take the pictures off the walls at the FBO I worked for. FedEx cleared for takeoff!!! When those JT8D'S would spool up you knew you were about to hear pure magic. Nothing beats the sound of 3 8D's barreling down the runway begging for altitude!
Ditto: Ex-UAL
I used to live in OKC close to the incoming flight path..basically above Meridian Ave I remember Braniff Airlines flying past would increase & decrease the engine speed on there 727's the roar was great to experience.
Were 727s the loudest aircraft you've ever encountered? I agree, 727s were very loud in full takeoff power. I've also encountered the BAC 1-11s. Those twin-engine aircraft take off like rockets, extremely deafening, could wake up the deceased for miles around. I still miss those 727s dearly.
I agree.
It's Greek to me.
This brings back a lot of memories from my days as a United 727 Flight Engineer. Great video. Thanks for sharing.
My pleasure!
So cool
How in the hell do you use ALLLLL those buttons, gauges, switches etc?? It looks soooo confusing!!😮
@@jerrysanders9101 We spent a lot of time studying systems and controls in ground school. Then we spent more time practicing panel flows in the simulator before we ever got to touch the actual plane. By the time you were ready for Inital Operating Experience in the real plane with an instructor pilot, you had already passed your Turbojet Flight Engineer FAA checkride in the simulator and knew every switch and gauge in the cockpit like the back of your hand :D Cheers.
I flew it as FO for two years after 14 years in ancient in steam gauge T-Props. Hell, we may have flown it together. Thank you for all your hard work! I miss that jet. Everything after it was pretty cool too, but boring with no soul. "Push this button to go there". Etc. All of them hand flew nicely, but all the electronic "help" was sometimes more work than help. For example, first week at TK in the procedures trainer ( on 757) and I was lost as it was my first glass/FMS airplane. The FMS was still largely a mystery to me. We departed LAX and were out "pushing buttons". The instructor says to my partner "descend and maintain XXXX, proceed Direct LAX".....she dazzles her fingers on the MCP and then in the box. The airplane does it all, perfectly. He then had me do the same thing...I turned off LNAV and set the VOR for DIR LAX. Turned off the AP and FD, pulled the throttles to idle, turned toward LAX and pushed the nose over. My instructor said that a Standards Guy would either fail me on the spot, or stand up and applaud depending on who it was. I just laughed and figured it out eventually.
Great to see what my dad used to do on the Engineer's panel. He flew on 727s, 707s and the mighty 74s, which he loved. I lost dad two months ago today.
Sorry for your loss.
@@donmcatee45, thank you!
May his memory be a blessing.
I flew the right seat of this very plane for 10 years at FedEx. The memories this brings back are amazing!
Guess 🤔 John your gonna have to sign up for professor Mike Robison's class now 😁! PS - My bet you'd ace it 😉. Hope you get the opportunity to visit (& play around in..) your old-flight deck, quite the connection you must have ☺- best wishes & thanks for the Fed-Ex packages.
@@NesconProductions I actually very well may. That's located not too far from other places in the northeast that I'm going to see. So I just might make a detour and go see it. I bet the professor doesn't want to come all the way out there just to let me in the plane, but maybe I can talk somebody into it. It would be fascinating to be back in the old girl. I stopped flying the 727s in 2000 when I transferred to the DC-10, so it's been a very long time, but I actually still remember a fair amount about them. Thanks for putting up this video; it's been a real memory jerker.
Two faculty members live within 15 minutes of the aviation campus. A former crew member would be welcome to visit. Track us down at www.pct.edu.
@@kc8t That does sound very tempting and I will definitely consider it. I don't know precisely when I'll be in the northeast again, but maybe next summer when it wouldn't be so cold to be in the plane. Thanks for the idea. I would really like to see my old office.
How did you identify this as the one you flew?
after 30 years working on this great type of plane, and being away from them for 14 years, i miss them so much! i loved evey minute i was around them working on them or flying in them. long live the 727!!!!!
The most beautiful jet liner ever built. I watched three in a row take off the Marines from Moses Lake, WA and head south with a wicked 90 degree left hand turn right after lift off in the early morning. I could almost hear the Marines say, “We’re outa here!”
I agree, the 727 was by far the best looking jetliner ever.
JAL was teaching their crews on the 747 out of Moses Lake 25 years ago… I miss seeing that.
I still have a thing for the old 707’s..personally
B727 was my first jet as a pilot coming from the turboprops. Had the luck to fly ALL versions. B727-100, B727-200, Valsan conversion, B727QF and the Super-27. What an amazing aircraft.
I wrenched on 27s for many years. My very favorite airliner to work on. Extremely capable aircraft. The Supers were AWESOME!
@@MECH7428 yes Bruce you are so right…… I guess we all miss those days :)
The S27 was amazing, climb performance was stunning. When we first flew them in the UK, the controllers were amazed how fast we could climb.
I'm just a pilot rated for single engine. I always looked up to you the men and women who fly the 727's their skill set and flight engineering talent never fails to amaze me.
Sixteen years for me, up through 2011. I attribute most of my hearing loss to this plane, lol.
Same
I flew that plane for FedEx
Me2
What is its tail number?
@@louskunt9798 N465FE
So did Joe Biden when he was a pilot.
Was an instructor and flew all 3 seats ! Amazing airplane! Was an instructor in the 747 and 767 also! 727 was my favorite except for the 747 SP ! Flew into the old Hong Kong 🇭🇰 airport with the IGS approach with the 747SP ! Favorite Approach! Thanks for posting! Brought back a lot of memories!
You are a true legend in my book, to have actually flown those aircraft that you mentioned.
My grandfather was a captain on the 747 and became an instructor also and I remember him when I was young telling me about the Hong Kong approach. I believe he flew the constellation and brittania also. I wish he was still alive to have conversations with
Worked that airframe and tail many times over the 30 plus years at KIAD for FedEx . I was part of a legacy that participated in an airline that went from analog jet ops to digital jet ops..
Jumpseating in a DC-10 a300 and the 727 it brings back memories from decades of frontline hands on work.. the 727 was the last of the sensory analog only skillset You neded to identify problem as it happened. No computers..
Planes were so much easier to fly before computers. I have a 1974 Cessna 172M with its original panel. I have seen several of these wonderful planes ruined with those stupid video game panels. Even if you "learn" how to use them, they are not intuitive like the old panels with mechanical instruments and switches.
Beautiful cockpit, beautiful airplane: a real airplane.
This brings back memories! I've worked on and done engine runs on many 727's during my career in maintenance at Delta Air Lines. Good times!
I was there too, started in dept 241 in 1989. Changed many belly skins and did the first 8 or so hush kits.
Back in the late ‘70’s, I was a ramper in Santa Barbra, CA, loading baggage in UAL’s -200’s. The aft baggage door is directly below the engine. My 10 percent hearing loss I attribute to the few times I forgot my ears and took too long to load. That rising whine was always a warning to get the hell on with it!
Man this brings back memories! I spent many nights on the ramp fixing and running the 72. Love it and thanks for the sounds!
As an airline pilot, I jump-seated on an Iberia 727-200. There was the captain, the copilot and the flight engineer-then I on one jumpseat and another commuting pilot on the other jumpseat. As it was a popular segment for crews commuting, and the flight was full, the Captain permitted two female flight attendants to jumpseat, as well! I and the other jumpseater, each had a flight attendant sitting on our laps!😊. 7 people on the flight deck, for the entire flight❤
Love the sound of the JT8-D
737 CA here, I really enjoyed this video. What a cool treat for your family too.
Pitot Heat, Window Heat, When do we eat. 727 First Officer
727s are louder idling than modern jetliners are at WOT. The JT8D absolutely holds the record for the noisiest turbofan engine ever bolted to an aircraft. But I love 'em to death.
For a while we installed "mufflers" on them. They were called hush kits that mixed bypass air with turbine exhaust. Even then, they were banned in UK, I think.
My first reaction was "WHAT? no way." then I realized you qualified it with turboFAN. Noisy for now, for sure. Back then that first-generation fan jet was such an improvement over the older "straight pipes" that Eastern called them "whisper-jets." The person who came up with that term apparently had never been to the airport :-)
@@BillPalmer LOL I hear that....loud and clear.... :)
The 727, along with the DC 10, are the two most beautiful aeroplanes ever built.
The Lockheed L1011 TriStar was nice looking also in my opinion. Well, at least the front section was. I loved how far back the nose gear was positioned. The nose and windshield looked awesome.
Beautiful 727 "Whisper Jet" : 3 holer, Tri-jet, Trisaurus, Triple crome-plated stovepipe, Jurassic Jet, Ear Blaster, The Scooter 173 passengers and cruised at 605 miles per hour JT8D-17 engines and to say they were loud was an understatement. They made the earth tremble, set off car alarms, and triggered many noise abatement fines at airports that had sensitive areas.
Love the attentiveness of mommy.
I worked on that aircraft numerous times.
That was great, quite the setup and kudos to Penn College & professor Robison ! Had one flight in a 727. Was in the back row of the aircraft (fate of my 'economy' ticket). When that jet went to full-power on take-off felt & sounded like being in a rocket 😳 (and seem to climb out like one too 😲). Quite an iconic bird, miss seeing them flying into /out of PHL!
Don't leave it there man, you will get millions of views if you do an 'ordinary family takes off in Boeing 727.'
For starters, we would need engine number 2 up and running, along with clearing about 100 other discrepancies. For example, it needs new tires. A lot more fuel would help. Also, we would need to send "ordinary family" to type rating school. Oh, and one more thing, we would need to buy a different insurance plan. We are just hoping the son chooses us for maintenance training.
I remember many years ago back in the mid-80's. I was stationed in Myrtle Beach, SC. On weekends we would go up to Maxton, NC to skydive. Charlotte Aircraft Sales had a compound on that field where they parted out 1st generation airliners. One of the weekends we were there...I noticed they had flown in an old Air Jamaica DC-9-30. I was very familar with the DC-9 because I had worked for Delta Airlines in Detroit before entering the military. I had experience starting up the APU's and did it often since our evening shift often moved overnight aircraft on and off of gates. I went back to Maxton the following weekend on a Sunday when the FBO was closed and a friend of mine and myself got into the DC-9 and fired up one of the engines.
Great video, Mum was on top of her role she had everything under control!
LOL I noticed that too. She’d have made a hell of an FE…
Thank you for sharing. I flew on many 727-200 in my beginning couple of years. I still love those aircraft. I have seen over the last couple years, 727s being used as cargo aircraft. That is not bad either!☺☺✈✈✈
Loved this plane. Such great sound. Love all those analog controls. No computer screens.
I was a second officer on the 727 and I miss the old school technology. Life was simpler back then.
Oh the whine of the turbines and the smell of JP-4 in the morning! I think I'll get a retired DC-9 or MD-88 with engines in place, cut off the wings, and truck it to my acreage set it on concrete piers and invite friends to ride aboard as we go "flying" without leaving the ground!
I miss hearing the ignitor sirens on the DC-9 upon engine start up. Just like the 727, the DC-9 was a great airplane to fly on. I miss Northwest Airlines, as they used to powerback both the 727's and DC-9's, especially in Memphis.
That whine makes the hair on the back of neck stand up! I love these old turbines.
Don’t know what it would cost, but I’d pay to do this!!!
Contact the Penn College aviation department. Perhaps we can work something out which would benefit the scholarship fund (and pay for jet fuel.)
@@kc8t will do that Monday!!! Thanks!!!
Wowwww... brings back memories... Spent many years at United working on, running, and taxing these awesome aircraft!!
You sir, are amazing. Teaching people how to start a legendary airplane. I would love to do that myself. Love those JT8D’s! Thank you for the amazing video
5000 hours in the '3 holer' late 70's. Great airplane! Thanks for the memories
Retired off the 777 but nothing like the ol steam gauges.
Incredible video of the 27. Didn't know Penn State had access to one. I would love to witness this walk through some day. The 72 was an amazing aircraft.
My first flight as a passenger was in a 727. I was 12 and absolutely thrilled
My first ever plane trip was in 1984 when I was only a 14 year old teenager. It was onboard a Delta Air Lines Boeing 727-200 series jetliner from Tampa, Florida to Indianapolis, Indiana, with a very quick stop over in Atlanta, Georgia. My sister and grandma flew with me. Grandma insisted we go visit my Uncle Larry and Aunt Betty. They are wealthy and bought all three of us a ticket. I'll never forget the flight. It was so much fun. I even paid $5.00 to my sister to get the window seat. I let her have the window on the way back home.
In the next video, the Ordinary Family flies the 727 across the country and shoots a CAT III approach down to 600 RVR.
Maybe not.
Cool video. I hope it maybe inspired the son to start his training to become an A&P. We can always use more. Mike knows his stuff.
Loved the 727 with Ansett and TAA, great memories. True jet which required flying.
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What would be cool is to graft the 727 tail on a 707 and have a 7 engines mother craft for air launch rockets pulling into a steep climb to point the rocket in the correct direction before separation. Go over the top like a loop but invert before reaching the top.
This is why you can't have too many cooks in the cockpit
That brought back memories. I have many hours, in all 3 seats.
Flew it for nearly 8 years. Mom was a pretty good F/E!
727 are my favorite aircraft as the first one I traveled when I was an early teen. With TAA and Ansett in the 80s.
I would love to do this 🥰 and simulator's 👍
I work with aircraft as baggage, and enjoy it. 717s, Dash 8s, A320s and soon to be A220s. Have serviced 737, 767, Ba146, and help engineering with all sorts of things.
Love this job. Totally awesome 😎
My first ever plane trip was in 1984 when I was only a 14 year old teenager. It was onboard a Delta Air Lines Boeing 727-200 series jetliner from Tampa, Florida to Indianapolis, Indiana, with a very quick stop over in Atlanta, Georgia. My sister and grandma flew with me. Grandma insisted we go visit my Uncle Larry and Aunt Betty. They are wealthy and bought all three of us a ticket. I'll never forget the flight. It was so much fun. I even paid $5.00 to my sister to get the window seat. I let her have the window on the way back home.
Ah yes memories, like all the pilots and flight engineers commenting here. My memories are slightly different though. I remember seeing one of these fly over as I was making out with Peggy Sue, the neighbor's daughter, behind the chicken coop on our farm. That meant it was late enough in the afternoon to start drinking. Great times.
My first post piston engined jet ride was from Denver Colorado to Lincoln Nebraska on Frontier Airlines. Back in the day, you left Alamogordo New Mexico on a 40's vintage Convair 580 then switched to a 727 to Lincoln. I flew on the 727 till a year or two before it was retired from passenger service. I loved riding in the rear of the cabin listening to the music of that tri-motor aircraft.
Worked the plane as Mechanic ! That jet made me lots of money ! I still dream about it !
The best commercial flight I have ever had was in the number four seat in a 727 cockpit.
I’m 17 and have never seen an operational 727 before… still my favorite aircraft ever and would love nothing more than to start one up lol
They still fly in the US with a freight airline called Kalitta charters II you can spot these Vintage birds at most major airports in the US
@@legotechniccreationsbygisu7487 yeah but unfortunately I only really see 737s and A320s where I am
@@legotechniccreationsbygisu7487 IFL still has them as well. Think usa jet got rid of theirs
Always loved the 727.
Phew, that must have been expensive fuel wise. A 727 must consume at least 3 tonnes per hour!
I wonder what their neighbors think, hearing those jet engines run? They're probably thinking, "take that airplane back to the airport where it belongs". I can only imagine how much it's costing them to keep all the systems operating on the plane. As a passenger, I've flown onboard at least a few Boeing 727 jetliners. They include Delta, Pan Am, Eastern, TWA, Piedmont, Northwest, and yes, even Trump Shuttle. Of course, Trump Shuttle was all 727-100 series aircraft. I'm probably forgetting at least one airline that I've flown on with the 727. In my opinion, the Boeing 727-200 series aircraft were the best looking jetliners ever made in existence. Absolutely beautiful and sexy. I wished Boeing had kept building them but with modern technology such as the avionics, control systems, engines (similar looking) and maybe more advanced aerodynamic wings. Possibly with wing tips that are similar looking as the ones on the 767-400ER, but obviously much smaller.
Now that was cool. I love the 727’s. I’ve never flown professionally. I wish I did. I always thought it was out of reach for me. Now they can’t get enough people to pilot planes. Anyways, I really enjoyed watching this video. It always amazes me that the flight engineers job left. But like many other things, technology took that job away. Thank you for the video.
Nice! Flown on the 727-200 a few times (Delta & Continential Airlines) as well as worked on them while employed as a ramp agent for Integrated Airline Services (KIAH) in 1999, one of our clients (Kalitta) used the 727-200's for air cargo.
Kalitta still uses the 727!
This tough reliable bird MADE FedEx what it is today!... IIRC they kept flying 727s up until 2014 or so...
@@MajorCaliber I think it was 2013 when they retired them
@@MajorCaliber Yes, as I mentioned in my post above about my employment with IAS at KIAH in 1999, the ramp we worked at happened to be just across from the FedEx terminal and I recall seeing their 727-200's a few times (along with their usual other tri-engined jumbos). We once had to borrow their air starter when ours died on us (we were trying to start one of our BAX Global DC-8-72 at the time), it was very nice as their equipment was incredibly quiet compared to ours.
As a maintainer this brings back fond memories as a in-flight mechanic for a operator out of Cincinnati named sunworld international, we flew a lot of trips for apple tours, going into airfields with NO kind of A/C support, no pushback meaning we reversed out of parking with me marshaling the dropping the aft airstair to get onboard when I got it into position for taxi. Man those were fun days.
I used to travel in this aircraft when I was young (many times)… I miss its comfort, its amazing back door ❤ and believe it or not, I miss its wonderful engines noise 😂
Looks like Mom was on the ball with receiving instruction and giving updates.
All time favorite aircraft….the unmistakable sound and rumble that flat out said power to spare !!!!
I used to go from EWR- KIN, With EAL, whom flew B727-200 on that route, I flew with them for 16 years stayed with mom,for CHRISTMAS, the really ODD THING, was the SAME CREW except once the 1st officer was different, so everybody knew me, & I knew them, when the end came, I walked the picket line, and did see people I knew, EASTERN, was a good airline, I still miss them
I lost track of most now, but several went to UNITED., ,,,,, 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
This jet started life as an Eastern Airlines shuttle.
I miss EASTERN every day
I used to run those in Mojave by myself. I also had to taxi one out of the storage yard because the tug broke down and we had to get it ready to go. I love that aircraft!
Quite a feat, given the distance from the starter switch to the fuel control.
Hands down my favorite plane. She's just a beautiful plane!!
Last time I had seen a 727 flying, it was loud, so fantastic.
Ah yes the three holer. Worked on -100's and -200's at two different airlines. Great airplane from a mechanics standpoint. Great dispatch reliability. Flying tank. I miss working on them.
Different position for the fire handles, I'm used to them being located on the glare shield middle above the engine instruments.
Must have had JT8-15's or -17's on that airplane due to how quick the EGT came up after the engine lit off, the -7's /9's /and -11's the exhaust temp would just crawl up after light off.
Great to see one still able to be brought to life.
Without a doubt the 727 is the sexiest airliner ever produced.
By the sound of this particular 727 I don't think it's been fitted with a hush kit. That makes it more rare, and valuable. Literally, what a blast this must have been to start it.
Gosh, virtual reality is really getting good!
These were always a great looking plane, I especially like the variant that they created for use in the movie Contact that was H R Haden’s personal jet.
Mom can hop on into the driver's seat, Dad did ok just a little tentative, son...maybe stick with being a passenger. Great video of the classic 727 and firing up the awesome Pratt and Whitney JT8D!
That was so cool! I’m a pilot wanna be, nearing retirement, I should have followed my dream and been a pilot.
How cool is that!
Lol the mom announcing to everyone “Oil pressure’s green”
It’s like starting your car and someone has to tell you “battery voltage is good, go ahead”
No oil pressure gauge on the front panel. Dad and Son wouldn't be able to see oil pressure.
I thought she was ahead of the aeroplane, a good place to be for flight crew.
"The family that starts a 727 together, stays together."
N465FE. Boeing 727 former FedEx unit grounded in 2012 as instructional aid at Pennsylvania College of Technology.
It's an awesome aid. The APU, and engines 1 & 3 run smoothly. It's great for the students to work with pressurization, hydraulics, and more.
Thanks for the insight, I was wondering why there was residential infrastructure outside of the cockpit window!
@@kc8t is #2 inop or removed for instructional use in the classroom?
They weren't grounded .. the FAA forced retirement on all domestic operating passenger 727 first but gave cargo operators an extension with FEDEX being the last airline to operate them..
FedEx is not the last airline to operate them. Kalitta II Charters still operates a small hand full of them and I'm delighted to say you can still see them arrive and depart Cincinnati every day! For how long, I don't know. I hope to get back into dispatching and work out a jumpseat on one before they're truly all gone! Missed my chance with the L-1011 :(
I miss tri-jets. When I was a kid the 727 was my favorite airliner just because it looked cool.
The only time a flew on tri-jets was in october 02'
RSW-DTW on a NWA 727.
Was to fly on KLM but ended up on a NWA DC10-30 on DTW-AMS.
Havent flown on a tri-jet since.
But while in ORD i saw a lot of Fedex 727s with windows.
Just goes to show how hard it was to be a pilot back then....nowadays its a couple of switches and it's all running...it amazes me how easy it is to start one now.
30 years ago I was starting a 727 apu with another mechanic. We went through the procedure several times and nothing happened. We shut everything off and turned off the batteries. We walked back to the hangar and was about to step through the door when we heard the whine and the whoosh of the apu starting. We gave each other a look and bolted back to the airplane. Got inside and configured everything with no other issues. The only thing we could think of was a stuck relay causing the delayed start . Today we flip a switch and let the computer do everything.
We've noticed how often those relays like to stick.
I was in Saltillo in summer as a FE and flipped on the packs to start cooling the cockpit while I did the preflight walkaround. Capt and FO were still in FBO or something..
As I came around the right side of the front fuselage I saw white smoke pouring out of the overwing APU exhaust. Ran back around to the stairs and started up them as the smoke was now turning thick black and: Pewwwww!.... It shut itself down...Had to defer it and huffer start the plane.... So much for cooling off. 😃
Waaay too cool….my all time favorite airliner..
Worked in the engine overhauled shop for Australian Airlines for a few years. Still remember every screw on the JT8D
Very much loved aircraft here in Australia 🇦🇺, alongside the DC-9.
I used to do Syd-Mel monthly in DC-9's & and 727's , walking out and finding that you cracked a 727 was like winning the lottery! AU🛫👏
727 the first plane i flew on in 1971.
I love this and find all things about commercial jets fascinating, I particularly love the tri-jets like the DC-10, L-1011 and the 727. I love the sound of jet engines starting and the power and sound at takeoff, where can I go do this?? Awesome video!
What a great experience!
That is so cool. I'd love a chance to fire up any airliner, let along a classic 727!
Can I please come out and start that thing with you? Haha! What an awesome plane!
Alright, alright… now I want to see how a dysfunctional family starts a 727. 😂
Brings back memories. Served as SO and FO on that jet for NWA.
SO FO?
@@K1OIK SO: second officer (flight engineer). FO: first officer (co pilot)
@@BillPalmer
Do you realize not every viewer of this channel is not a Sully like you. I doubt if Sully were here, he would be so hip and cool as you. using aircraft acronyms. He would understand as smart as he is, he would not try to show up others using terms like GA. EFB, TOGA, FO. But you are not him you need to prove what you know.
That type of person is known as a know it all or smart ass
@@K1OIK Burt. When talking about the crew positions on a 3 pilot jet, those are pretty common terms. I'm sorry if you weren't familiar. When asked for clarification I gladly provided it with no snarkiness. A simple "thanks for the clarification" would have been more appropriate.
It's a TH-cam comment, cut me some slack. For your reference when I write on a more formal or technical level , such as in my book Understanding Air France 447, I explain every term and concept, though one must first assess the knowledge base of the target audience. For example, for that book I targeted "aviation enthusiast" and above. Therefore that audience should have a base knowledge of a certain set of terminology. That they'll know what the various part of a plane are, might be a little weak on concepts like angle-of-attack, but possibly completely unfamiliar with terminology like CPDLC (controller pilot data link communications).
This video is showing the fairly technical start sequence on the 727. It seems fair that the typical viewer has at least some interest in the subject and probably know what the crew positions are often called. You obviously didn't. I thank you for asking when you didn't know. Sorry you apparently got offended somehow in the process.
@@BillPalmer Th audience is the general public that are not experts. The producer is not a snob like you.
All that old school analog goodness.
why does this only have 565 likes
Flew on Air Mike from HNL to MNL all through FSM… Enewetok, Marjuro, Kwajalein, Kosrae, Pohnapei (sp)… 😊it was a bus stop route… you could get off on any island and get back on 3 days later when it passed through again… cargo net separating first class area (that was converted for cargo (chickens etc)) one of the captains recognized us and asked what we were doing… told him we (my wife and 6 month old) were traveling around the world stopping and working for room and board - upgrading resorts SCUBA staff & Mariano underwater videos… we were heading to Pohnpei he asked us if we had heard of Nan Madol (the Venice of the Pacific). Told him we had read about it… he said I will announce 15 minutes before we get there - then do a circuit around it on the port side… sure enough he took us right over Nan Madol and banked hard to port so we were looking almost straight down… amazingly agile plane… an experience I will never forget…
That was sooooo cool.
good old noisy bird,love it ! Boing made some cool planes
If the Wright Brothers were around to see the amazing changes in aviation I'm sure they'd be astounded. Who in 1903 could possibly imagine how complex powered flight would become?
one of the Wright Bros flew in a DC10...
@@aaronchandler2380 And the Apaches used helicopter gunships to strafe Union troops + for medivac purposes.
@@ronaldbell3788 that was a difficult time in our history
@@aaronchandler2380 🙂
@@aaronchandler2380Wilbur died in 1912 and Orville lived till 1948.
Three pilots is optimum for plausible deniability following those burritos😰
Oh, memories of LHR to Keflavik, Boeing 727, June 1983. Fog diverted us to Reykjavik airstrip - VERY rough "slam it in" landing.
Would have been interesting to have somebody outside the plane recording the thing powering up and down.
really cool video, thanks for the upload.