They DELETED My League Starter...and Buffed My Backup!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ก.ย. 2024
- Five days working on a league starter for 3.24 Necropolis League just to get it deleted...oh well WE BACK TO BUFFED FROSTBLINK BABY LETS GO
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GGG sent a satellite guided warhead to your starter like damn bro.
okay, i laughed WAY too hard after reading that comment
hehe, its more like crossfire, I think they were originally targeting the battery staff builds because those need lasting spells to ramp up the damage. and those builds do literally billions of dmg.
@@Alandur2010 penance brand isn't a orb skill tho. they targetted orb skills
@@LostRocks They went for brands AND orbs. Both have 1 thing in common, you throw them down and they keep hitting for x amount of hits or seconds so archmage scaling insane damage per hit gives extra insane dps. Now penis brand of disappearing ubers scaled absolutely rediculously with this because it also scaled off of its own duration, but that skill is still good now without archmage and a near 60% nerf. That does not take away from the fact that any orb and brand skill was still heavily overperforming at cost of all the other cool selfcast manastacking skills it was intended for. So you buff archmage so more people have fun, but you take away the worst offenders and let them find a new thing to break. It's unfortunate for us who wanted to play it, but it was to be expected that's why sub didn't make a guide for it yet.
@@reznovvazileski3193Detonate Dead of Chain Reaction got no nerfs, guess it’s a DD angle. DD in hardcore was as used as Penance Brand of Dissipation(19% and 19%)
3.234: Subtractem got subtracted
I literally went into the patch notes, and the first thing I said was "rip Subtractem's leaguestarter."
Same lol. He put so much work into as well it’s tragic XD
what? why do you care so much about someone elses league starter?
@@sunnydlite-t8b What part of anything they said implied they "Care so much"?
20:00 Its 8% droprate, its 0.5 for each socketed voidstone for all of them
As I was reading the patch notes and saw that Archmage doesn’t work with orb skills, my very first thought was “Oh wow, I just witnessed a hate crime against Subtractem’s build”
Same with Tatiantel2's Ball Lightning of Static totems
I read the tea leaves, divined animal entrails, studied the stars, and saw BLOS was going to get nerfed. Anything that has too many applications gets nerfed, and that's good for the game. League starting a brand new transfigured gem as well... But I'm so hyped you're back on frostblink ignite and it got buffed. I was torn between FBI (it's got a cool acronym as well) and stormburst totems, which is solid AF but a bit boring. This confirms it - FBI time, baby.
love the FBI acronym, will definitely be using that!
Minor correction on master mission farming, Neon said there will be scarabs for all the masters (barring Kirac presumably) so Alva farming can still happen with scarabs if the tree doesn't make her common enough for you.
I think the phrasing on the void stones is (0.5% change to drop a T17 per void stone socketed) so it works like the grand spectrum gems. If you have one, you get 0.5 %, but 4 void stones makes each one 2%, for a total of 8% right?
"I love tattoos - just being able to balance some res, balance some stats, is SO much quality of life". Couldn't agree more! Except... for some reason they didn't bring the attribute tattoo back 🤔😮💨
I don't think people understand the magnitude of the shock of playing 3.24 following 3.23. There is already going to be a shock of being poor but on top of that we get a no loot league. This is going to be one of the most hated league of all time.
cry baby. 3.23 was worse league in terms of loot then Sanctum, and I played this league much more time. Hated league... people play games to have fun, do you play it for earning money? Why hate then? LMAO
If I am reading it correctly, the value of the voidstone "keys" should be a lot cheaper now. For example, it shouldn't be as expensive to fail Maven while you are learning the fight, since uber Maven doesn't use it any more. Is that right?
You would be correct in your assumption. Especially compared to last league which had very expensive sets because we all rolled in cash.
You can play it with Orbiting. Im building an Elementalist archmage starter with it. Clear almost everything with a Reverberation Rod
any chance of you got a pobin for it?
Immediately thought of you when I saw the nerf 💀
I am not sure how you're getting to 30% more damage with Frostblink if you get 38% more added damage. Looking at your 3.23 league start guide for the build, it has a grand total of 32 to 62 added flat damage on all of it's gear and from all of it's supports on Frostblink. That's it. So this 32 to 62 gets multiplied by 1.38 for 12 to 23 extra added damage to Frostblink.
So the league start PoB goes from 541k ignite DPS to 550k ignite DPS. That's a 1.64% increase to Frostblink DPS.
Base damage =/= added damage.
Also for pconc, 6 flask charges isn't that bad considering you used to spend one charge per projectile anyway. So GMP + Volley like you mentioned means 7 flask charges per throw.
Sniper's Mark also lost way more than 2 projectiles. First of all you get to 5 split projectiles at gem level 21 so you lose 3 no matter what. But then also, now you need 50% curse effect for one extra split, when you used to need 20%. 20% is easy to get, 50% not so much. So realistically you lost a minimum of 3, and in a lot of situations 4 or even 5 projectiles from it.
I think ralakesh nerfs were an attempt to make them a bossing item and try to remove them from mapping builds. Especially since the MS stacking with the Frenzy MS made them faster and more damage than any other boots.
Congrats on meeting lord Aris
I noticed all the golem buffs. Curious if there is a build creator who might have a cool golem guide. Or are golems still crap?
Personally I love the look of the Necropolis mechanic. We haven't really had a "thinky" league in a while. Figuring out how best to either make a few quick items or stack up a giga craft using the whole graveyard, what mods will lead to what outcomes, that sort of thing, should be fun.
Looking to go CA/TR PF or some kind of minion. Which would you be better as a league start?
Was waiting for this to happen ! never plan before patch notes come out !
Agree 100% with your takes on accessibility of uber bosses. I think it’s nuts that they made that mistake again in a league where they finally let us reroll uber elder fragments with harvest.
7:35 I don't get it. Aren't G.Volley & co used *because* they are damage links? With overlapping AoE they are a more multiplier, and off the top of my head there aren't really great candidates for damage supports.
The skill only throws one flask, those gems do nothing in this case.
interesting, Palestron just read the patch notes over his stream and came to the conclusion that mana stacking archmage ball lighting (vanilla) was gonna be great!
yeah was a huge win for vanilla, just a targeted nerf to static
Thanks for your time and imput its always appreciated
The mastery for detonating mines while moving absolutely _screams_ "we know this was a stupid change so we're obviously doubling down on it."
Incorrect, they said specifically in the livestream that it's a "you're right, we screwed up big time, but can't rework things completely in the week before release, so here's a bandaid to help while we go back to the drawing board to find a better solution"
for srs, u can still run a minion instability version. stacking minion health will also help with the sentinel nerf so u could still go guardian if u dont want to go necro
Yup! I actually went havoc a message about that this morning, see if he thinks it's viable for transitioning a starter.
Small note
Tornado can't be supported by Trinity as it an orb skill
As a casual I feel like the uber change is okay. You already had to grind out guardians for fragments which means you had to grind out maps hoping one would drop. It essentially is the same for ubers now where you just grind T16 maps and try to get T17 maps for running ubers.
Plus i feel drip rates of loot will increase as the pool of possible drops decreases meaning all items should have their drop chance increase relative to where they were.
I have never played your Ignite Frostblink, yet I want too. So this is good news for me :)
Do you think the lightning strike Guardian would still feel good to play after the Kaom's spirit nerf? I've tried a number of melee builds on Guardian now, and I think the main reason it felt good was the absurd berserk uptime. Not sure if I would pick Guardian now, I don't know if the aura scaling and block is sufficient motivation.
Will the frostblink ignite max roll be out before league start?? Thanks!!
didnt expect the Cammy sound track in a PoE video.
can still do mana stacker ball lightning, just not of ball lightning of static, Conner has already said ball lightning of orbiting will be an amazing and fast clear skill and regular ball lightning will be one of the best skills in the game
I wonder if the league mechanic has a method to target high quality bases (eg: Dragonscale, two toned). Good mods in a crappy base would be pretty 'meh'
Yea.. when I saw the Archmage +orb skills interaction nerf, I couldn't help but think GGG saw your series and said no fun allowed lolol, but your Tornado interaction is more rational
So, they mentioned distinct drop tables for normal vs uber. I'm curious how this affects Flesh/Flame Jewels. Are they uber only now? Are they still from both fights but a higher chance from ubers? Are specific notables locked to the uber version while the more common notables are from the normal fight?
been league starting tornado shot and rf for about 10 leagues now.
this is a MASSIVE nerf to ts.
the thing that pushed from t12-15 map cruising and into t16 juiced content was the +1 proj on helmet enchant... moving to gem was "okay"... now its just gone... AND youre losing 2 or 3 secondary projectiles from snipers mark... they completely fucked it.
the thing alot of people arent talking about is the 2 additional mana cost which means on league start you wont be abel to get away with only 1 -7 mana cost ring, youre almost certainly going to need 2 which means youre going to have massive pressure on resistances which were already an issue and transitioning to omni is going to be expensive af.
Yeah, TS has been hit hard. But I don't understand your point regarding -mana cost and resistance pressure. -mana cost craft is prefix, and resistances are suffixes.
youre going to have to craft/find res rings with an open suff to craft -mana cost, is my point. where as before you could just find a chunky res ring and not worry about what else is on it. it just creates more requirements which reduces the total possible options youre presented with. @@Zaalbarjedi
The T17s drop rate was a 2% chance to replace a T16 map drop with 4 voidstones. This probably means that specifically building your strategy for more map drops in general might just make them fall from the sky. Plus I'm pretty sure GGG will add some support on the atlas tree for T17/Uber boss farming.
Something that was gone over in the interview with Ziggy is that T17 have diminishing returns after the first one in the same map (i.e 2% > 1.5% > 1%).
2% starting droprate every map seems potentially fine regardless though. Can check out the new Atlas tree on PoE Planner atm if you didn't already know.
@@neppity5887 Yeah I just watched the q+a this morning but still a one in fifty is good and the more map drops might be able to guarantee a t17 every map.
JFC some of these notes are insane. Looks like Essence got taken outside and shot along with so many skills. Like big F in Chat for Tri-Ele SRS.
Main reason frostblink ignite is so good is bronn's lithe/replica cold iron point though, and for that setup added damage effectiveness is almost negligable, so not a real buff tbh.
I don't use either of those items. There are potential angles where added damage may be more cost effective than gem levels now.
I've been considering trying mana stacking with crackling Lance of disintegration
300% effectiveness of added damage with Archmage sounds pretty cool, the lightning mastery for having mana modifiers also apply to shock effect sounds like you can get some juicy shock values too
Are you still making a a frostblink Maxroll guide? Might play that since no melee totem QOL. How tanky is the frostblink build? I’m hoping to play something tanky this league
Yup!
I was able to buy Shaper of Flames FF jewels for like 1-2 div each last league - they're a little higher now towards end of league but that could be an option for using both SoS and Bastion with Frostblink.
Good luck exile! I'd would be fun to see if you post more vids about finding a new build, but even so Frost Blink looks too good.
Only 5 mins in atm but that Frostblink DPS is 231k not 1.1m, you are reading total damage over the duration of the ignite, which quick math looks like 4.5s roughly.
The Tarke fallacy
I haven't played poe in a while and hopped back in to get a feel of things for next league and started following your starter srs the past few days and now F
The change I am most excited for is the new wisps support for wanders. I'm going to give wander a shot and hope it goes well, or at least good enough to change builds.
Would the frostblink buff not only work with added damage? The base damage did not tot buffed, only the added so things like anger.
Not sure if the buff is that big
What caster class(totems okey i guess) will play more like a d4 mage for the patch? no corpse, pet, or mine junk, just something that shoots a blast/ball of something and does a lot of dps hehe. You really can't stand still in the game so discintgrate probably wouldn't work :)
wait where did you see the change to poisonous concoction? I saw them using it in the reveal but I haven't seen any official notes on it so I'm curious where you're getting this info from?
Love the recap over a 1 to 2 hour of read it all at once.
Do the Ubers take 5 fragments from the T17s or just the same four as regular pinnacles plus a fifth (element?) frag from the t17?
There is no way they buffed the drop rate on Ubers, they would have said so.
"This will be a short video." proceeds to make 25minute video 😂. look forward to seeing the Frostblink starter think it will be great this season.
t17 has a 0,5% dropchance PER Voidstone, so with 4 Voidstones you end up with 4 times 2% equals 8% chance for a T17 map.
so basically every 12th Map is a T17 and since you generally oversustain T16 maps i would expect around every 8-10 Maps you get a T17 to drop.
if my napkin math checks out, then you get an Uberboss roughly every 40-50 Maps on average.
With a strategy solely dedicated to map drops you can definitely get this to one t17a map or more.
4 times 2%? you meant 4 times 0.5%?
@cr3ezy35 unless I am wrong each voidstones gives you 0.5% for every voidstone you got.
So that would mean with 1 voidstone each voidstone is only worth the 0.5% but with 2 voidstones each voidstone is worth 1% so you end up with 2% because you got 2 voidstones worth 1% each.
With 3 each is worth 1.5% and with all 4 each is worth 2% for a total of 8%
As I was watching the news and heard this nerf all I could say was dayum they did sub dirty
GGG seems to just have it out for minion builds. They been nerfing the crap out of every minion build since I started POE.
frost blink guide build plz
hmm should i go back to my poison concoction build or do my custom frostblink build from you? i enjoyed both
I'm waiting for your frostblink ignite build guide so I can try it this league. Looking forward to that.
Sextants removal is actually a way bigger deal than most think at this point. It means bad things for the economy overall because sextants were an additional multiplier to map's rewards. Huge multiplier. They are now gone. And new scarabs are never going to fully compensate for it. Despite that, I actually like what they did. All that sextant rolling business was extremely unfun, and I always pitied the people who spent hours and days of their time on that activity.
Not only noone will do normal boss fights after D2, but also the T17 should rain fragments for Ubers in order to make them common enough for them to even be seen often. If they do not multyply the T17 rate drop x10, the uber drops will be an absolute mirrage. I like the change, but it seems that the fragments will be SOOOOOOOOOO scarse that we will seee only .00001% having items from them.
Looking forward to league starting your frostblink build!
Hey any word on that testing of SRS from havoc? :)
Great, all my leaguestarters killed. Which build can do all void stones with pick-up garbage gear now?
Most skills.
archmage mjölnir seems good now, regular lightning ball seems ok with it too if anyone still wants to do something like this
Let me suggest an interesting alternative: ball lightning of orbiting archmage going all in into cost reduction. You can run inspiration and have an immortal agnostic tank. The damage is much, much lower than your original build though. Edit: and you can try it with Kitava's thirst socketed with shock nova, archmage, inspiration and overcharge.
Love your videos! Do you have a global channel ingame for your followers?
Ralakesh boots... How badge + ralakesh gives movement speed per frenzy charges?
They dont by default but there are ways to do it like with raider.
@@subtractem ralakesh + badge on raider, cool :)
Why nerf the only good minion leaguestarter I don't understand
sorry if it is a stupid question.
Does arcane surge grants 20% more damage to you on hierophant affected by arcane surge effect?
Yes. Usually when a modifier says "X grants Y", "Y" will get scaled by the "effect of" modifiers to "X"
Archmage nerf was entirely due to the disgusting reverse snapshot mechanic with PB of Dissipation, but the new iteration now lets it be used with Mjolnir which is pretty crazy...
I played 3 mjolnir builds in the passed leagues,i think this will be the 4
Yooo you hung out with Aris? Hell yeah, two worlds I'd never thought would collide.
Where did he talked about Blade Blast ? he straight up skipped it and also the golem buffs.
Idont understand why people got mad about Convcation. The whole point of convocationis to bring the minons to you so they attack the enemeies near you. I usually just go into enemy pack and then press convocation on my left side mouse botton. Who puts convocation on left click???
It's because convocation grants minions life regen.
convocation give your minions life regen AND could summon them as shields for projectiles
That is actually not what it is for and having it on left click / automated really matters.
WIll you update the superior League start Frostblink for 3.24? :D
Im not good with builds and such but i feel like the just made it so more casual players could use TS with accessibility to additional arrows and now its right back to being an elite skill only... again im just a nobody and struggle to get to REAL endgame like ubers and mega juiced content so im probably off base here... but it sounds like im not gonna be using tornado shot again
That outro edit with the base was insane :)
In what world are you living in that MS is just QoL, it's been understood that MS is one of if not THE best defensive ability in the game. Being mobile in POE these days is a must.
I think necropolis crafting power is going to be somewhere between where crucible was and where it was with recombinators. I'm excited. Waiting to see the gem for the sacred wisps support before I decide my starter
Some of the mods they showed on the website look really fun like movement speed cannot be modified below base value being a mod on boots now
@@zombislayer42 jeebus
can't wait to see if there are any build defining mods
Can't you run elemental overload or lightning pen instead of archmage for ball lightning?
The Uber thing will hurt scrubby noobs like me. Some of my main income was selling the guardian maps and the invitations and the boss fight keys. Guess I’ll have to use the rares I find on the ground like Chris Wilson envisioned.
I just want to play Bane again
Yowza. FB buff. I was already considering doing FB as a league starter again. Think that probably just confirms it. Hey when one door closes, a window opens. :P
im curious about mana stacking archmage trans-tornado.. you scale aoe etc with hierophant so it could be something
SRS is probably still gonna be pretty good, but it's gonna be with minion instability now because they buffed that through this line here:
The Mindless Aggression Ascendancy Passive Skill no longer causes Minions to have 10% increased Movement Speed, 10% increased Attack Speed, 10% increased Cast Speed, or causes them to deal 30% increased Damage. Instead, it now causes them to deal 10% more Damage, and have 20% more Maximum Life.
That's not too great for poison SRS and the likes but it's massive double dipping for popcorn assuming the finalized wording on that isn't going to exclude it from the explosion scaling with the more damage as well. Haven't worked out whether you'd use the regular or the enormity variant though. Raw values 20 raging spirits obviously outdeeps 6 that are 60ish% stronger but they're going to scale differently (MI does count as a minion hitting the monster, doesn't it? If so it should always crit which is nice af) and there's no way you're ever hitting with 20 spirits at a time in a real fight unless you throw in Unleash which you don't need for just 6 of them and that at the same time gives SRS less damage per pop and enormity an extra slot for more damage per pop.
Bruh you got to see Aris!?!? That's amazing!
Archmage does seem easier to get online since you no longer need to worry about upping mana costs, and hopefully, we will have more mana to play around with.
I'm still worried that it won't be a lategame nerf.
They opened a can of worms that is archmage mjolnir. Because 5% *0 = 0. And since archmage is now based on max mana and not spending, it works with mjolnir
@wumi2419 oh yeah. That's going to be wild.
Immediately thought of you when I saw the notes, unlucky bro
big emphasis on Scarabs. I really don't know if I should be happy about this. I feel like not being able to control when Masters, especially Jun and Einhar join a map will make them a lot more rippy for me, because when I juice a map a bit to hard I previously just didnt invite these masters and it was fine, now I have no control over it. Also my map progression is in shables (probably). I played wandering path for the first time last leage and was super stoked about the posibility of having 100% chance to get a connected map.
Also we all got blue balled with the talks about melee totem changes, where are they?
still no clue what I want to start with, maybe actually start frostblink
One question i have is that you stated the 2.5 mil dps from ball lightning of static is too low to be comfortable but i cant seem to get the Frostblink/FireTrap setup to much more than 2.5 mil dps?
Fire Trap damage always felt low when playing rf, how do we get it do to comfortable levels of damage in the Frostblink build?
frostblink is dot dps, you cant compare it to hits dps
@@CoinFlipAhriYes, but frostblink actually does no damage in the 2.23 pob. You can only have one ignite on an enermy and the biggest one stays. The biggest ignite and burning ground come from Fire Trap. So comparing Fire Trap on a RF build vs Fire Trap in the Frostblink build should be a good comparison. Im only talking about single target vs. bosses here since thats where dps really matters.
Also the ball lightning of static has pretty much 100% uptime so the dps should be comparable to ignite dps damage.
@@Max_xaM oh yeah, i was referring to frostblink as a build, so trap is main damage, idk what numbers trap does in rf builds, but last time i played (ancestors) it was quite easy to get trap dps to 4+mil through replica dragonfang's
I think you have a huge misread on pconc of bouncing. The numbers are much higher compared to normal pconc and gmp volly is highly incentivised for giving it an insane amount of chains
Another misread. T17s are .5% per voidstone per allocated voidstone so its 8% not 2%
unless im not understanding it properly theres 4 void stones, so 0.5 x 4 is 2%
@@mitchyp901 each voidstone gives 0.5% per voidstone.
2 voidstones = 1%+1%, = 2%
3 voidstones =1.5%+1.5%+1.5% = 4.5%
4 voidstones = 2%+2%+2%+2% = 8%
@@mitchyp901 they have the same type of wording as grand spectrum jewels. 1 jewel gives .5 per jewel totalling .5%, 2 jewels give 1% per jewel totalling 2%, 3 jewels give 1.5% per jewel totalling 4.5%, and 4 jewels give 2% per jewel totalling 8%.
@@mirellie4445 I hope you're correct, 8% sounds a lot more appealing to farm!
Ty for the summary sir 🎉
We knew this was going to be a nerf league. That's why i'm skipping this league, the contrast between previous one and this one is just too big.
I also think tats are going core, however they only seem to come from the league mechanic for now.
First line ive read was the archmage one and felt bad for you. Rip all the work you put in.
As i understand is snipers mark flat 2 proj, they even removed the quality scaling to 5+ proj thats a HUGE nerf for all nimis builds
And the curse of the frostblink continues.
The mana stack I want to do now is Mjolnir it is insane now
SRS popcorn is uneffected yes?