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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ย. 2024
- In this video we dive deep into not only Halo 2 anniversary, but also Halo Combat evolved anniversary
Thanks to Bring Halo Back for the Halo CEA footage because I did not have any of that.
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BXR was long patched in Halo 2 back in the day and Bungie has come out and said they don’t support it so I have no idea why people were even expecting that to come back.
because it was awesome
I personally like Halo 2 Anniversary, it's an example of a good remaster IMO. Yes, its multiplayer is meh, but Halo 2 and its Anniversary are my favorite Halo of all time
As someone who grew up with mostly halo 2 being my favorite of the two (at the time)and the reat of my game collection, the remastered campaign as a whole including the cutscenes really satisfied my expectations especially since I had to wait for the PC release, I don't own an xbox.
I realy like the multiplayer but it hase so litle maps and content but is still really fun i really want them too update the game
Better than halo 3 imo
Honestly thought the halo 2A multiplayer was more fun then halo3 imo
@@kiro-fo9qgfinally someone said it
I love H2A! But also really loved the H2A multiplayer, my god the BR accuracy is such a power house. It’s definitely not perfect but there’s one thing I appreciate about H2A MP was throwing in a lot of old school stuff like chucking the AR and well, throwing in the silence SMG which was originally supposed to appear in Halo 2 but it’s shown in a hidden tutorial file. They probably didn’t really play well in MP but certainly a nice appreciation to add. Also can we just admire some of the remade maps? Bloodline looks amazing and goddamn Stone Town is so so freaking cool, it’s also one of my favorite maps to play infection in. H2A MP may not be perfect, certainly does not play like a classic Halo 2 due to weapon balancing. But I would say, H2A MP is a fun experience. I like to throw in a note that it’s also the first MP to have a proper infection scoreboard and what I mean by that is in the past halo games such as H3, HReach and H4 there was no way in hell to check and see who the hell is infected, H2A MP solved that by showing the infected on the scoreboard as green.
Other than that definitely flaws in H2A MP but it’s definitely a fun experience, I appreciate the video you put in and I totally agree with your points in this. Maybe in the future Certain Affinity can hop back in again and make some more H2A maps in future seasons. I heard we could potentially have MCC seasons up to 10.
Pls use the new armor sets in 3 to scare people.
@@livelyilyaas5563 would love to
Your a bad halo 2 also when's the next stream
Tonight around 9pm cst
Personally I like H2A. Multiplayer was a classic modern halo game which I rlly liked and I rlly do love the multi. The campaign was just amazing honestly imo
I just wish it had more maps
I'm working on forge maps for it because of how many it lacks so if you ever see me in the customs browser don't be afraid to say hi lol
I think my biggest gripe with H2a multiplayer is the inconsistency of the BR. Anyway, great vid :) Keep up the great work
H2A's execution is much better than fucking CEA.
I mean H2A by any metric was one of the best remake/remasters till RE2 remake came out. Your points about certain maps missing isnt strong enough given we got an amazing cmpaign remaster and some strong reimagined maps. I give you that yeah they prolly could have added extra maps in H2A engine but the 7 maps were more than enough for me. Also considering how alot of halo online maps will prolly get added next year, theres not much to complain about. I am looking forward to full mod support. That will make MCC the greatest collection out there.
I kinda wish ivory tower made it in, it always reminded me of an abandoned mall, at least in halo 2
It's not by any means a nicer looking game. They threw the art style out the window in favour of the horrific garbage you see in this so-called "anniverary" title. It looks awful, and the soundtrack didn't need to be touched either. Halo 2 Classic is the only way to play.
H2A Campaign is gorgeous. The H2A multiplayer was ok imo, but it just didn't catch on with me. I liked it's Forge mode tho.
I feel like H2A multiplayer didn't feel like classic H2 because of multiple things. One the AR is back, two the hornet was added, and three the mongoose/gungoose. This feels more like a H3 anniversary multiplayer. But don't get me wrong, this multiplayer just feels so good to play.
I have been waiting for this Sir Arrrash.
The people that enjoy H2A just like shiny things and don't play Halo for the core gameplay mechanics. Tell the average Halo fan that H2A doesn't have any button combos and they reply with "wait, is that not a good thing?"......
343 ruined halo, halo is all about combos and slow but strategic gameplay.
what a shame
h2a is one of my favorite multiplayers and has the best remaster
Hey fair enough we don’t have to have the same opinions :). I put out the reasons why I think h2a mp was a letdown for me and why I have issues with it but if you enjoy it more power to you! Don’t let me ruin your enjoyment :)
@@Arrrash im just saying
i get your points
i just find it super underrated and lacking content
Yeah that’s fair. More content would have went a long way for sure
Agreed. I’d even argue that H2A has the best multiplayer of any of the Halo games.
@@lytatroan it’s litterally a halo 4 reskin and an abomination to the halo franchise pls wake up
The H2A campaign was beautiful. There were never any moments where I felt "dang they ruined that part" like I felt with the combat evolved one.
The multiplayer was good but I really wish they just did a graphics update and left everything else alone. Like they didn't need to add the gun goose for instance, and I wish they kept the glitches like the BXR
Yeah that’s one thing I noticed when MCC came out. All the multiplayers felt exactly the same in terms of movement. Aside from the horribly glitchy/buggy launch, every Halo felt the same, and Halo 4 just featured a sprint. It makes sense now that I know each Halo sort of runs off of past engines and such. Doesn’t feel that way anymore but at launch it was horrible
Halo 2: anniversary cutscenes should just be like halo 4, not like cgi cutscenes
I disagree with most of what was said in this video with the exception of visibility on certain maps.
Your point about the battle rifle and sniper being “too easy” is strange considering H2 BR and sniper were literally the worst offenders in franchise history. Swipe sniping was prevalent with both weapons and their amount of bullet magnetism and aim assist is only matched by Halo 5.
Besides there isn’t a single Halo game where aiming is “difficult”. None of these games were made to be an esport out of the box, they were just games made to the standards of fun set by bungie devs. “We make games we wanted to play”, aiming in these games were never meant to be “hard” and I feel like that’s a big misconception that only the halo community believes.
In terms of button combos, forget about being obscure mechanics, they simply break the intended balance of the sandbox in relation to the other weapons more so than they already were. How is quadshotting fair to any other weapon engagement? Every Halo game has weapons that function with a specific rate of fire, a specific red reticle range, a specific amount of spread and recoil applied, etc.
Button combos break this entirely and this is why halo 3 opted not to make these official mechanics, hence why H2A does not feature them.
Lastly, your views on the usage of the H4 engine. I’m convinced that 343’s use if the halo 4 engine was due to the fact that the halo 2 engine was a BUGGY mess of code that even Bungie themselves had issues coding(see the H2 documentaries). 343 would’ve had to go under the hood in order to fix things like button glitches, melee canceling, phantom melees, super bouncing, sword flying, escaping maps, any leftovers issues H2 vista had, and a myriad of other problems that halo 2 suffered from.
That isn’t worth the effort when you have a version of the halo engine that bungie refined more and more as time went on. Every halo has used the previous game’s engine (CE>2>3>H:R>4=H2A>5) so it’s a strange criticism whenever people say H2A is just a modded halo 4 when every halo game is just a modded version of the previous game.
I never really thought about it but honestly halo 2 anniversary is the multiplayer I’ve played the least in MCC. I still get excited to play Halo 2 classic but when I play anniversary it just doesn’t feel right.
On legendary I noticed it takes me longer to walk up within meele distance on any enemy
Halo 2A multiplayer felt like a Halo 4 port … on the Nintendo Wii
Honestly, all the people who say they don't like button combos, don't understand them very well.
First of all, BXRing, is actually really easy. To learn to BXR, all you do is make sure you have a full clip, then melee and wait until you hear the sound of the melee connecting, then you push x and then immediately R. Eventually, you will get a feeling for the timing and start doing it faster and faster. But actually learning to do it is not very difficult. Plus, this gives close range fight more depth than any other halo game. In Halo 3 and on, close range fights are pretty mich just determined by who got the first melee out, so they can either melee you again or shoot you. Whereas in Halo 2, it takes 3 melees instead of two unless you have momentum, and you can crouch under your opponent's melee, so close range fights become these intense, highly skill based encounters. Sometimes, when I know I have someone backed into a corner, I will not shoot them, and instead run at them while reloading so that I can BXR them, but of course, then I'm risking them shooting me enough to finish me off with one meleee before I can kill them.
Second of all, double shotting is not all that important. It will help for sure, but if you're scared to play Halo 2 because you don't want to have to learn to double shot, don't worry about it. Honestly, you can be a pretty damn good Halo 2 player without double shotting. I've run into players online who will kick my ass without it, and my double shot is pretty consistent.
And finally, the MOST IMPORTANT button combo, is the one nobody talks about, and so new Halo 2 fans probably aren't doing it, and that's shortening your reloads with a BX (or a YY if you prefer, it's like a fraction of a second slower). In Halo 2, your gun is not reloaded when the animation is finished, it is actually reloaded quite a bit before that. If you press either BX or yy at the right time during a reload, you can shorten it immensly. With the BR and Sniper, it's right after the clip enters the gun. It's pretty easy to do and is really satisfying and speeds the game up. Pulling off a shortened reload mid fight and then getting the kill is so awesome. If they were going to add any button combo to H2A, they should have at least let us shorten reloads with YY.
Honestly, I know it seems scary at first, but once you learn just BXR and shortened reloads, you will find Halo 2 to be insanely fast paced and fun. That's my main problem with H2A, is that all the excitement that H2C offered is gone due to the missing button combos, and the game just slows to a crawl. I get why they would want to get rid of them, but they didn't add anything to replace them, and it leaves H2A just feeling so slow and boring. This is not to mention all the depth that close range fights lose due to no BXR or BXB.
Huge shoutout to Bring Halo Back for all the CEA gameplay footage :).
Also I forgot to mention hit markers. Grenade hit markers are a big issue in h2a.
I also breezed over the addition of forge to h2a. It’s cool that h2a has forge but it’s mostly just halo 4s forge so I didn’t cover it. I’m also not a big forger anyways so I couldn’t tell you small differences
BHB is my least favorite youtuber
He literally complained that halo 3 released early
@@Surasia that was months ago and not that big of a deal. He explained why people might be upset, you personally don’t have to agree with that, but it’s an odd reason to make him your least favorite youtuber
@@Surasia BhB IS My LEaSt FAvorITe yoUtuBer
HE LITERally COmPlAiNeD That HALo 3 REleaSEd eArLy
@Bring Halo Back wow man so edgy
Did he? I only remember the "you're wrong, I'm right" on his explanation. Also I think it's a fair reson on why to dislike him
I would definitely have to disagree, I started halo when mcc landed on pc so I’m not speaking from nostalgia. I have been playing pc fps games semi-competitively for over 6 years at this point and let me tell you, h2a is vastly superior to h2c and h3 in literally every way, I currently have over 300 hours on mcc and I’ve enjoyed h2a the most by far.
Hey that’s totally fair. I was coming at this mostly at an angle that H2a mp is a bad reimagining of h2c as I think it messed up a lot of what made halo 2, well halo 2, but objectively as it’s own game it’s okay. I wouldn’t say it’s great tho, some of my issues I outlined are definitely still issues I have with the game regardless of the context of it being halo 2 or not.
I commented this somewhere else but hey if you enjoy it that’s totally fine. I just wanted to put out my opinion, don’t let me ruin your fun :)
Me personally I hate how Bloodline looks the way it does, Coagulation looks so good in the OG game. Yet in this remake or whatever it is looks so depressing in visuals.
H2A maps have a weird colour palette, except for Zanzibar/Stonetown.
343 sucks at making classic halos, what's new?
they ruinned the ost, they ruinned the graphics and now they killed the 360 halos
I think it’s good, but it just doesn’t have enough content, and using the BR sound of Halo 4 was the biggest flaw to me
*Halo 2 is an a$$hole, so i'm glad Halo 2 Anniversary is different.*
Rofl thank you for chiming in Halo 4
@@Arrrash Thanks for the video!
At least I'm better than you, there's a reason why they remade me and not you
@@Halo-uy7yn h4a coming soon xD
@@Halo-uy7yn this is why your my favorite. Your a badass but your main competition for me is halo 3
Honestly, I love H2A besides the lack of maps. I personally think it is miles better than Halo 2. Halo 2 is the most overrated Halo in my opinion and H2A feels like modern classic Halo. Just my opinion though.
I don't feel the same about Halo 2, cause mmm I really enjoy it haha; but you're so right about Halo 2 Anniversary.
The game (4 me) has one of the bests multiplayers in the franchise, but honestly I think that the lack of maps killed the game.
But it's gameplay is pure sexiness :v ❤️
@@yamilbrindis They really need to add some more maps into the game. They need variety too.
Yes I know... But they're not gonna do that :(
I have been waiting for that day for so long and by far.. I know they're not gonna do shit -_-
Halo 3 is the most overated.
I want them to update it just a bit so there's less bullet magnetism, and put in extra pre-update, and post-update modes for Halo Reach, 4, and H2A, in case you wanna see what they were like before and after their updates
I believe weapons should be easy to use for everyone. Maybe some skill but don't make weapons impossible to use. When I started playing multiplayer I would switch the sniper for literally anything else because it was complete trash. I'd rather a weapon that was actually useful. In order to get to where I could actually get some use out of it I had to get ahold of it and practice alot
rash made this video bc he stinks at h2a mp no cap
jk bro nice vid, i watched the wholeeee thing!
I suck at all the halos. I should get to work on why they all suck :)
Can't stand what they did with the designs of the spartans in H2A.
Halo 2 Anniversary multiplayer is what Halo 4 should have been. Too bad both games ended up falling flat.
In hindsight, Halo 4 is actually really awesome. Definitely has dumb problems, but it has this certain charm being the black sheep of the franchise.
H2A multiplayer should be renamed to Halo Anniversary and include a handful of maps across every game.
I enjoy H2AM a lot, it has it's own unique meta and sandbox and I believe H2AM isn't getting enough love both from the fans and 343. More maps and armor customization would be great to give it the come back it deserves.
Yeah it sucks that H2A has only like 3 armor sets
H2AMP has better weapon balance, weapons like the plasma rifle and magnum are actually viable without dual wielding... but other than that there isn't much better than H2C.
I hide in the background in Every Halo, ESPECIALLY H2C and Reach, 343 ruining my camo is a bad thing.
If I wanna climb a tree and snipe people from it then that's my playstyle and leave it alone, I don't like how I can't be sneaky in Halo 4 and 5... It's not my problem that you cant see me when I hide in plain sight... actually I try to sneak around because that's my playstyle.
What's the song before the last song?
Been saying it since H2A dropped. Im a halo 2 classic fan and the H2A campaign is absolutely gorgeous. The multiplayer is utter trash. Id rather Halo 4s base multiplayer than H2A. Major Dissapoint. Nice video, subbd
I degree i think all of the maps should be remade
H2A multiplayer is just Halo 4 with some of the cancer cut out
It certainly doesn’t play like the original
Halo 2A is what Infinite should have been. Its great visuals and sound. Gameplay is a lot of fun. But it lacks content. 343 should have really just ran with a H2A it would have been amazing.
How many Halo 2s do we have? Classic, Vista, mcc classic, Anniversary and project cartographer...
That's at least 5
technically carto is vista modded, but yeah lol
1) No BXR
2) No Double Shot or Quad Shot
3) No Quick Reload or Animation Cancelling
4) Terrible Strafe
5) Even easier BR than Halo 2
6) No Midship
My reasons. Half the fun of playing Halo 2 is the satisfaction of getting into an intense strafe battle, an intense CQC melee battle won by timing a combo 0.05 seconds before your opponent, or landing a nasty quadshot. Without those, Halo 2 is extremely flat.
What's your update now that infinites out is H2A still look better
Great video, dude! Im enjoying watching it.
I personally liked h2a multiplayer, but I do agree it is a bad halo 2
Yee. H2a objectively isn’t terrible, it just fails as a remake/remaster of Halo 2 imo
I agree though I am happy it isn't a total Halo 2 remake.
The problem is it is supposed to be a remake of Halo 2 which I think it fails at
@@Arrrash Fair point. In that retrospect it definitely isn't a good Halo 2 remake, for better or worse.
*shakes with excitement* Tower of power was the BEST!
In Halo 2 Anniversary, I can't even see anything in Warlord. I dread playing that map.
Personally would like Halo 3 Anniversary. Little rebalance here and there... make the magnum not suck, make the hornet not suck, sprinkle here, sprinkle there.
Say what you will about H2AMP and how faithful it is, it is my favorite modern halo release
I think it was only bad in terms of music and some designs such as the Elite helmet.
br felt bad imo in h2a
0:53 Remade.
I would have just added some optional tutorials that teach the button combos
I personally think that halo 2A was the best, both campaign and multiplayer was really fun, sure it didnt have the wicked button combos but it just brought out pure halo combat similar to 3 but without the horrible projectile based BR
lets be real halo 2a was a small project to sell the MCC, what they did i think is amezing. they gave you playple elites with the Halo 4 engine. the lack of maps suck ofcourse, but again its not a full game i think if h2a was made into a full muliplayer it would be a very fun Halo game.
Still better than the shitshow that is Halo 3's Mutiplayer and no im not joking
this dropped 10:04
not 10:15
bro what
I clicked go public while I was taking a shit at work ;)
well then
good enough
Yeah agreed I want a Halo 3 anniversary but only for campaign
installation 04 is probably the best firefight map for halo reach
Dude I don’t even remember it existing 😂
@@Arrrash imo at least
@@Arrrash How tho
First off, I completely agree. H2A is a bad Halo 2. they failed completely at trying to make Halo 2. Also there should be better/more maps. That being said I personally think it's a better MP game than Halo 2 classic (note that Halo 2 on og Xbox was my first Halo game and until this day Halo 2 is my favourite game of all time).
If I think about H2A as a completely different game than H2C (which it is except the name pretty much) I think it's one of the best mps
For the record Halo 2 has higher bullet bagnetism than Halo 4. Also H2A was very differently balanced than Halo 4, it's not as simple as Halo 4 minus sprint. Different bullet magnetism, hit-reg, melee damage, general damage etc
H2A has built on a modified H4 engine yes, but H4 was built on a modified HR engine, Halo Reach was Built on a modified Halo 3 engine, Halo 3 was built on a modified Halo 2 engine. It's relevant, but not as relevant as you make it sound. It can still be a different game, which it is.
I get your second point, but the difference between something like 3 and reach, or reach and 4 are leaps and bounds more then h4 and h2a.
@@Arrrash Yes you are absolutely right about that.
Great video btw I enjoyed it
I don’t like H2A multiplayer. A lot of what he said in the video I agreed with. The aim assist and bullet magnetism is strong as hell which makes gun play boring, plus I dislike the Halo 4-5 art style and how saturated everything looks, not to mention the small map selection. Customization I don’t really care for since I just rock mark vi across all games
Halo 2 Anniversary kinda shows why modern games suck so much. Hey, let's remake this old amazing game but let's just change a bunch of things without any reason as we have no don't actually understand why the original was popular in the first place. Also let's just leave out a bunch of things that were in the original for no reason. Also let's make cool looking graphics that only make the game worse because we don't understand lighting and have never heard of visual clarity. Also let's release this game completely broken.
"Excatly as it shipped 10 years ago!" Except it plays worse. And it looks worse. And is missing a bunch of content that was in the original. And has bunch of changes that nobody asked for. Halo 2 like you've never seen before - Not Halo 2.
Campaign was nice, I like those cutscenes as well. It's good they added Forge and Infection. But the multiplayers just fucking sucks...
Good god i hope they don't actually remake halo 2
Bro I love h2a multiplayer I just wish it had more maps, but other than that I don't really have any complaints. Still prefer halo 3 tho
Edit: didn't know it had the same bullet magnetism. They could edit that too and it'd probably be better lol
oh gosh time to grab my popcorn
Oh, if it was me I would have been criticizing the campaign more than anything.
It's the exact same game just different graphics
Did you hear halo 3 matchmaking is being sunset next year?
I did. Big bummer. Working on a script for a video I think will be an interesting watch
Arrrash it's honestly a little depressing, also your videos are great, what every your doing keep at it!
I don’t quite understand this review, I think that they did nothing but improve/update an already fantastic game, that may not make it worth picking up when you’ve already played the, before, but still that doesn’t mean it’s a bad game let alone a bad anniversary edition game.
I get a lot of fps drops on H2A when playing on my Xbox One X.
dude how does the classic h2 look better than something releasing ten years later on a console TWO generations later!! smh
It doesn’t
what about halo ce remaster?
they should've just added all the maps because there's no reason not to. it would be pro consumer to add them all
Interesting video tbh. What’s the background music btw?
Yea they definitely ruined it. It should have been brought as the exact same. Literally a copy paste... I want the old matchmaking, I want to bxr some nerds, I want halo 2!
Race wasn’t in halo 2? It was in halo ce
I’m almost positive it got taken out for 2, but someone else could confirm? I’m at work
H2a amazing what u on?
H2A should’ve been essentially what you said (maybe the button combos can be enabled in customs) plus some balancing changes with the weapons and the editions made in the H2A we got with the gametypes and forge (but the latter would require to create a forge mode from scratch).
Have the button combos be something you could enable would have been a really nice compromise. I personally wouldn’t have minded no forge if they used the original engine as I don’t think h2a forge saw they same fan fare the other games did anyways, but I could be off there
H2A campaign is a very good remake, I look at it and say yea that's halo, Elites look like elites, The BR just looks soooo nice, everyting just seems sooooo good looking, i mean it looked better than H5. H2A MP on the other hand is very underwhelming, i get there not being button combos, but there's still are other things like the terrible lighting, a lack of maps. seriously how do you remaster the MP and not have Midship, ivory tower, beaver creek, headlong, and im probably still missing a couple. if i recall H2A was also missing MP game modes.
WHY TF cant CE get a break, give us CEA MP already NO other halo game plays like CE except SPV3 and not's not an official game.
I do love Reach CE settings but that's rotational and I would LOVE to play that on Reach maps not just CEA mappack ones.
Reach Anniversary settings are the best way to play Reach imo, they just need to remove melee lunge like CE and give us 3 times more health.
I would be fine with a CEA MP that used Reach as long as we got the CE weapons in Reach like with Vengful Vadams Halo Reach Evolved Mod... give me CE fuel rod and shotgun... those are the best version in all of Halo imo.
Love that campaign but that multiplayer is meh
I'm just hoping rejected shotgun can port over H2As multiplayer assets into halo 4. I'd be satisfied with the guns (ported into H4) atleast.
Also Turf was my favorite H2 map and was a little dissappointed they didn't remake it.
I feel like he teased it didn’t he? I think I saw some clips. It would be awesome if you could use the assets while playing matchmaking but I doubt that’ll ever happen
@@Arrrash For matchmaking, we'll just have to wait and see as they did mention on the recent blog post that they will now be focusing more on implementing other features such as modding.
Oh and yeah he did on one of his recent streams I think.
In Campaing, the game is great
The visuals are breathtaking, audio is incredible and other things, it's even better than the original Halo 2
But when it comes to multiplayer... oh boy
It's just a Halo 4 without Ordinance, sprint, armor abilities and with Halo 2 weapons and other new weapons like the AR, that doesn't make any sense
It's just bad
something
For someone who doesn't really do multiplayer on any of the halo games and only does it with friends or brothers, halo 2 anniversary campaign is great to me
And I have faith halo infinite will be too
oh yeah for sure dude, if you are sticking to campaign H2A is amazing
H2A Multiplayer visibility is great on OLED.
oh thats why i dint get that. i love the art style of H2A but if it looks shit on anyhing that inst OLED, thats kinda a problem.
On my monitor h2a is Really hard to see people unless I crank the gamma which IMO just makes the game look washed out. And I know many of my friends have had the same issues
I’ve never tried playing h2a on a standard flat screen or oled tv tho so maybe this wasn’t an issue for players on TVs?
@@Arrrash On my old LCD TV visibility wasn't great either. I definetly had problems spotting enemies.
I see. Well ty for the comment that is interesting to hear!
oh that's why not many people play Halo 2 Anniversary I that it was me not choosing good times tho play the game
H2a is like halo 4 but better. It feels similar but with no abilities or load outs.
Super dope and informative
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I loved the H2A campaign minus the cutscenes. still fucking hate those cutscenes. Multiplayer is eh
You hate the cutscenes? That may be the first time I’ve heard that. Very interesting. What do you dislike about them?
@@Arrrash since they are in a totally different style to the actual game they completely take me out of the experience, and the cinematography for them is riddled with movie cliches that I’m really just tired of seeing. I really would have preferred them just taking the old cutscenes and putting the new graphics in like they did with H1A
Fair enough!
Its not bad
This has been a bad take overall IMO. I admit I'm a PC gamer in 2020 so I am new to the multiplayer via MCC, but here's the problem with a lot of the older games vs 2A/4. Those games are OLD. They DONT feel good to play if you're a newcomer in 2020. The gun play is not good, the game balance is not good. Maybe it makes sense in the twisted minds of old timer halo fans who are still living the glory days of xbox live on the original xbox, but if you look at the series with a fresh set of eyes, while those old games felt good for their contemporary time period, they dont feel good TODAY. The only ones that actually feel modern and really fun to play are 2A and 4, and I kinda of took issue with one aspect in particular. The whole idea that those games feel too easy and you get lasered. YEAH. That's the point. They're the one game I can actually aim at my opponents in and I feel like shots consistently hit and register. When I play on older games, the mechanics feel floaty and inconsistent. Because they're made for controllers with aim assist. If you play those old games on a keyboard and mouse you quickly get frustrated because your shots literally arent registering well and it takes way too many to put down an opponent. And while you seemed to blame that on aim assist, Halo 4 seems to be the one game in all honesty where KBM users actually seem to have an edge in some cases. Like ranged maps. That's the real reason you're getting lasered on the other end of blood gulch, because PC gamers using their mice are actually point and clicking at ranges well beyond the aim assist and getting kills. And this is why i end up doing good in halo 4 when i get a sniper. Apparently unscoped snipers have no aim assist in halo 4. So I can pick one up and start popping people but most people with aim assist dont. While in a straight up close range battle rifle shootout they'll win due to the sheer consistency brought to the table by aim assist, once that assist is gone PC gamers do much better.
So yeah, that said I'll be honest, 2 anniversary and 4 are the best games in MCC and I hope halo infinite emulates and improves on them mechanically. The older games like 2 and 3 by comparison DONT feel good. And honestly I feel like "competitive" gamers have this weird elitism about gun mechanics in games. They like mechanics to be artificially hard so that they, after playing for hundreds if not thousands of hours, know every little exploit in how they work and can just ROLL everyone else. Which seems to be how i interpreted you putting down 2A and 4. it's like..how dare the mechanics actually be functional. How dare bullets connect. It's too easy. I know you didnt say that exactly but ive seen enough people with a similar mindset and I feel like that's what they're saying. I also see that in the counter strike community a lot. The game has to reflect some element of the original bad mechanics from the 1990s and any change is bad. So when you play CSGO, you're playing an iteration of a 20 year old game that literally feels 20 years old. But competitive gamers love it because they're like stuck in that era and hate change. That's how I feel about people who hate on 2 anniversary and 4 while praising the original triology multiplayer wise.
You do make good points on other things. Maybe they should've added more/different maps to the mix. But eh. The problem with midship and battle creek too is they're literally in just about every other halo game. With battle creek we have it in 1, 2 and then reach. They've done it to death. They've also done blood gulch to death. While I agree with you on the lasering i dont blame the gun mechanics, i blame the map. Blood gulch is a bad map, coming at halo from other games. it's just 2 bases with a huge no mans land in between. You seem to blame the mechanics but i blame the bad map design. The fact is to make those maps work, you need bad gun play, which is why you like it on the older games. You need the guns to be inconsistent as fudge and not reliable at range where they cant kill people. because the guns arent precise enough. So...just a different perspective. It's not the maps that are flawed per se (although maybe with zenith you're right). It's the gun play. Halo 4/2A has better gun play. It just exposes the flaws in halo's poor map design. So you got it backwards IMO.
You are responding as if my statements towards h2a also apply to h4 which they don’t. In h4 and h5 the weapons work like that to compensate for the increased movement of your Spartan. In h2a all the increased movement is removed and all your are left with is the overtuned guns. It’s the same issue h5 has in the playlists that remove the Spartan abilities.
Maybe I should have rehashed the whole blood gultch thing but that’s basically the point. It’s a bad map that only worked in Ce and 2c because the guns suck at range. In reach and 2a and even the 5 remakes the map sucks because there is no cover. My point was in a game like h2a with over tuned blood gulch is a terrible map choice because it exposes all the flaws in the map design.
I have no issues with guns working well, idk why you get the idea I don’t want consistent gun mechanics. You’ll never catch me saying H5s gunplay is bad because I find it very satisfying but the gun mechanics need to be tuned to the movement so not everyone gets perfect kills all the time, that’s no fun. H2a needs less aim assist and less bullet mag to add skill into gun fights. Not inconsistent gun mechanics to artificially add that