Asmongold Reacts to "Casual VS Hardcore MMO Players" | By Josh Strife Hayes
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ส.ค. 2021
- HOW MANY HOURS DO YOU PLAY!? Asmongold watches a video by Josh Strife Hayes, who discusses about what truly makes an MMORPG players to be a casual or an hardcore gamer...
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Tamagotchis, where you raise a thing, it dies and you get depression
Huh… that’s… yeah….
I used to log in to raid in FFXIV on a schedule. There was a strange lala in a chocobo outfit that was always outside the FC house. Didn't matter what time or what day the thing was always there and fully aware. He/She/It probably viewed me as a casual.
You got a stalker, watching you ... haunting you.
For some people having a character logged in like that is like me having a fb Messenger tab always open. Basically a chat window. I really hope that no-one views me as a fb hardcore...
Some people just have the opportunity to do such things. I work an 8-5 job, Mon-Fri, and play lots of games in my free time. I know an ex-army, retired older man that was wounded and ended up in a wheelchair that can sit in games, online, almost constantly. They're not always obese no-lifes eating cream cheese in their mother's basements; sometimes they work from home, other times they're retired and have too much free time... sometimes, ofc, they're strange people in basements... just not as often as it would seem.
@@ChainsawGutsFuck No, I've met a few people who were playing full time and none of them were basement dwellers.
*They
I’m a hardcore casual. I don’t really raid or have a “static”, but I’m getting all jobs to 80, gonna catch every fish, and the Marlboro mount will be mine!
I'm also a hardcore casual. I can't be arsed to follow the meta, optimize my builds or learn hard dungeons/raids to get a bit of loot. But I play all day anyway when I got a game I really love. Needless to say my next title will be New World. It lets you do whatever you want and everything you do is relevant.
same, best way to play for me like this.
Whats about the purple Ghaze mount
Finding enough blue mages for the Marlboro mount is so hard
This makes me consider you a hardcore player, but not a hardcore raider... in FFXIV we have a difference between players and raiders in that hardcore range. Like I'm a hardcore crafter, I had all crafters and gatherers to 80 before I hit 76 in the PVE storyline.
what about mediocre mmo players?
you mean
mmmorpg players?
(ok i'll see myself out)
I call them semi-hardcore. You know what the screen is telling you, you know things like BiS systems and the like and you enjoy everything in the game, or at least something that brings you back. Let's say you can finish the extremes in FFXIV without desyncing. You know what to expect, you fight well, etc, etc. You come out on top in the end. Some of us know openers, some of us are drifters, going from job to job (or class to class) playing it and enjoying it and swapping if we find something else we like to play. We lay betwixt the casuals and the hardcore. We know some faces, some voices, but not all. I mean, FFS, I actually know JoCat from his Crap Guide to X weapon in Monster Hunter World days, then his 5e ones, and now his tank and healer videos are funny and I can relate to them. I found Larryzaur back before he was on hiatus and watched nearly everything he put out and enjoyed it. But do I know what he looks like IRL? Nope? Have I gone to any con, including the one hosted in Las Vegas, where I live? Nope. I'm semi-hardcore. I can clear up through Savage for sure, but I don't have a static, I just exist and try my best. And that's what the bulk of "casuals" are. Just a step down from Hardcore.
Confucius: If everyone is mediocre, then no one is.
Those are the players that play the first 2 days for a launch and says the next released MMO is gonna be the greatest.
limsa lominsa afkers
Asmon should get Josh onto an Allcraft episode.
That would be a pretty cool conversation.
This aged well
I'm from the future and yes, this absolutely happened.
I'd refer to myself as an Enthusiast. I do have Hardcore tendencies from time to time, like learning combat animations lengths or animation canceling / clipping, but play casually most of the time.
Cheers, fellow Enthusiast! 🍺
Parents: Oh no! 3 hours of gaming a day?!?!?! That things going to ruin your brain!
Also Parents: *Spends entire day on Facebook*
Somehow my mom ran out of levels in candy crush and is now on level 3000+ on wordscapes
I used to be criticized a lot by Bosses, coworkers, and family, for playing mmos many hours. Now, almost everyone I know spends all day in facebook, instagram, or is lev 3000 in some weird mobile game -_-
@@pit32 I had to look up how many levels were in Candy Crush just to get an idea of how much that takes. Google tells me there's apparently 9935 levels in Candy Crush.
Your mom is a MACHINE, good lord!
Someone could play an mmo all day and if they're only doing "easy" content I wouldn't consider them hardcore
I agree with this. Being called "Hardcore" is make me feel like I'm really good at battle mechanics, while what I do all day is just chatting and crafting stuffs.
I agree with what Asmon said which is that there are so many metrics to measure "hardcoreness" that it's very subjective. For example, take FFXIV, let's say I avoid any extremely hard battle content like extreme raids but I max out all the crafting and gathering jobs in a short space of time. The content may be "easier" but from the level of no-lifeing I could still be considered hardcore
@@dragopy2410 if your crafting and gathering end game crafts and mats then yes that is hardcore if u put in the hours cuz I know a lot of hard cores including myself who main crafting and side battle
It's all subjective. Someone playing all day and doing easy content is someone I would consider hardcore because they are dedicating a large portion of their time playing the game.
True you could play all day and be casual but youcantbe hardcore without playing at least a few hours a day or I’m the most efficient way at the very least
That very rare 'Superman' player that has damn near dev like knowledge of a boss fight yet can play with the very casual player base and allow those players to have a great in game experience is pure gold and just help boost their play. That is very rare when that happens, IMHO. For me I always loved to run the highest keys possible with those casual players, those always turned out to be more fun to me.
I met a guy like that in the guild I’m in on final fantasy. Dude ran us through coils explaining every boss mechanic and he would even say good job to people for stepping out of mechanics.
If you play ff14 and are on our server I can introduce you to my FC :'D
yeah i met a dude on ocnsole years ago was so rude i never played ff14 again all i did was ask some questions about mechanics.
You sir have nailed what a true " Gamer " is, i say this as someone who is approaching their 50's, and has over 32 years of gaming experience. These " Supermen " as you put used to be as common as a loaf of bread or a pint of milk, now it's like trying to find a Unicorn. Helping someone grow and watch their Skill grow and their confidence whilst remaining humble is a great thing to see as well as their happiness. And then, they go and pay it forward, true gaming at it's very core.
@@yaggity Dude, that's the whole point of being a top tier player to be honest... being an elitist asshole is for people that either have been raised wrong or are mentally ill and need a therapist ASAP... I know it's not an MMO but I've been a top 0.1% player in a very different kind of video game before (FIFA... back when playing FIFA was about skill and not exploiting bullshit mechanics)... anyway, back then every year you had to start from Division 10 and work your way up... so as you can imagine I would casually blow through 9 divisions all the way to Division 1 by completely trashing much lesser players... in a sports game most people lose the game and move on to the next one but I was around Division 6 in FIFA 14 back in 2014 and I remember a kid (he was like 12-13, something like that) from Austria sent me a message after the game cause I beat him 11-1 telling me that he's never seen anyone play that good and asked me to teach him a few things...
I know that in the gaming world it takes guts to do that so I sent him a message and we played some games and whenever he saw me online he would send me to play... thankfully he had a headset so I could explain to him what I was doing in game and after playing for a few weeks, the same kid that was losing 11-1 to me was getting better really fast by understanding the game... he even got a little bit competitive with me, still losing but making me have to work for it a bit... and remember, I was a guy that was on Division 1 winning championships left and right... we didn't stay in touch but I'm sure that after we stopped playing together he easily climbed to Division 3 or 2 based on how much he improved
the thing is that elitist assholes are actually weak ass scared cowards... they act like that cause they're scared that if they teach others the game they might end up losing to them... it's like that asshole superior you have at work that never teaches anybody anything and takes credit for all your work just to keep his job and make sure the more talented young guys stay away from it...
Sorry for he big ass comment... just my thoughts on how top tier players are and how they should be...
The Deus Ex box in his room is obscured enough so the only letters you can see say "S EX"
I’m glad you are paying attention to the important things. Thank you sir
"There are no accidents"
It's a bomb!
Holy shit fam, do you have bionic eyes. :p
@Private Keeneye
all i have ever wanted to do is use my game knowledge in a mmo to lift people up and be helpful. it makes me feel good knowing i helped someone or made them have a better day.
Yikes
Yikes
ur a RARE breed dude god bless ur heart lmao
Victim
yeah that is a big factor for me, which is why I love the Mentor system in FF14. Unfortunately there are some people in that that "help" in a rather hostile fashion by telling new players to watch video guides and such instead.
Hardcore is a mindset. It's not based on time played. It's based on what content you play and how you try and improve in the amount of time you have. Someone could have 5 hours a week to play but plays the hardest content in the game, yet someone can just sit around for 40 hours a week doing casual things and not really anything at all.
Time doesn't mean anything, it's the content you consume. It's the mindset you have. Do you want to get BiS? Do you want to do the hardest level of content? Do you want to get better at the game? Then you have a hardcore mindset, no matter if you are playing a shit ton or not.
This. There are a lot of players that could be considered 'hardcore' cos they play 8 hours a day, but in reality they just sit in Limsa and emote and RP all day.
Thats generally true for most games but not wow. In wow if you play 5 hours a week thats like torghast, renown farm, your covenant campaign and your 5 hours have pretty much passed. Fking trash game it makes me mad.
@@icswack6015 If you play 5 hours a week you dont have to do these things. Why would you optimise ?
I feel like Josh conflated hardcore with toxic a little bit. Of course not entirely, but I would say there is toxic and wholesome casual, as well as toxic and wholesome hardcore. The toxic casual is making fun of "sweaty" hardcore players and feels superior because he is viewing it as a game, not a lifestyle. And the toxic hardcore is feeling superior compared to filthy casuals. Whereas the wholesome ones get along just fine and can work together. Or where not, they simply stay out of each others way rather than attacking each other.
@@mugino9726 And who will take you in a raid group if you are behind on all those things? No game should feel like a job.
What about the “I buy every game on release date and play only 2-3 hours of the game and never play it ever again.” players?
Hypetrain addict
Easy money
People I'd never trust with any money
That may be a gatekeeper
We thank them for funding.
By his definition of hardcore just means playing more than 3h, watching streams, attending cons and doing cosplay. It's too general. I think most people refer to hardcore vs casual it's more about their skill level in the game. You can play a lot and still suck. Most ppl who attend irl events are usually casuals. Casuals don't care/aren't capable of getting better at a game. Being a hardcore player is actually having a high level skill in a game that you're actually dedicated to improving, and get better over time, and not just playing a long time.
A bald joke in the first 20 seconds, this will be good.
The bald joke chronology indeed determines the quality.
What do you mean? What’s up with josh hair?
@@labatomi nothing, chat was just pointing out how good his hair is compared to asmons
Can’t wait till I get back from my co-op abroad, Asmon has me so hyped to try out Final Fantasy, and I don’t have my pc for 1 more month. Also I think hard core has more to do with knowledge than time played.
Hey I hope you're enjoying yourself and learning alot (: try not to think about final fantasy too much cause it'll be there when your down
I'm a week in and not disappointed at all.
It's amazing. Just don't go in expecting the most robust MMO. Go in expecting a neat singleplayer RPG you can sometimes play with friends.
It’s really fun
@@Gunplabro Jokes on you, none of my friends play 😄
18:06 yes pls, this had to be said. Most people have nothing against casuals, but they irresponsibly join groups, that are supposed to be consisting of players that are good. Good players wanna clear something with no big deal and not having to watch over somebody who has no idea what he is doing. If somebody tells me that hardcore community is unwelcoming because of this, then I'm gonna commit smth... It's not a good idea for new or bad players to join these runs, because they are either gonna get overwhelmed or they won't give a fuck and everyone will get mad at their incompetence.
It's not that I don't agree with you, but if you look at it from the "incompetent" player's point of view, that run could be lifechanging for their character - it's what could perhaps MAKE them competent.
I had a mage in BFA, and I realized I was NEVER gonna gear her up, unless I took the chance and joined some raids - so I did, got 99% good feedback and I even made a couple of friends during that time. And, most importantly, I ended up having an amazing mage. I would've never had that, had I not been given the chance in these raids where I was (rightfully so, ofc, I'm not denying that at all) seen as "incompetent".
So, really, it is up to another group of better players to decide, whether or not they want to help someone through, or just stick to their own thing. Both imo can be totally ok.
Shrug, while I'll agree up to a point, I wouldn't make such a broad statement that 'good' players don't also sometimes help players who are not yet experienced enough to BE good at their class. I agree, I have no respect for players who want to be carried, or go afk in a fight, and harm the group by willful incompetence. Most guilds are willing to help someone 'get gud' because in the long run, it helps the group to have a wider pool of experienced players to get through content. Games often demand a certain number of warm bodies to attempt an event. What I don't like, however, are the guilds that state they're there to help people, but actually are there to groom only hardcore players, and freeze out the casuals if they don't meet their elitist standards. That, to me, is toxic. If it's a elite guild, fine, those are the standards players are expected to meet to join. Just be upfront about it.
I partially agree. I know how annoying it can be for more invested players when a casual joins a party and messes things up, but I feel like most people who complain about casuals are actually bad players who always try to find excuses or people to blame. They often don't realize how bad they really are.
Kind of a Dunning-Kruger effect.
There's a fine line between elitism and not wanting to be dragged down though.
@@zejzild ugh, imagine trying to help some player by tanking the dungeon and him being the healer. You tell him to dispell one debuff, but they don't know what it is, you tell them it's that dispell (with it's name) and they claim they don't have such spell on max lvl. Also that I don't know how to play. Then that player complains in /w that he got kicked out of the group.
Then imagine dealing with such people all the time, especially people who don't type nothing into the chat and have clearly no interest in doing the content easier for others. That is what I call incompetence and I meet such people all the time.
So many people pay for wow to just play the game, not waste their time trying to teach the game to some absolute moron who is not even listening. I understand why experienced player just don't wanna help new players. They just had enough and if they'd be trying to help every single person, then they'd just turn insane.
You might've been inexperienced yourself, but you are clearly not a dumbfuck who doesn't care. Unfortunately there are many players who have no idea in how not to be a burden.
hardcore players win chocobo races. thats where men are separated from the boys.
You implying women don't play FFXIV?
@@senle7912 yes
@@senle7912 all cat girls are played by men
@@senle7912 they're men with vaginas and women with penises
@@Luna-ii4mx woMAN
Maybe people should just start identifying themselves by the kind of content that they enjoy playing instead of the amount of time they spend doing so.
I consider myself a hardcore casual. I play a good amount of hours, understand mechanics and try to do the best with the gear and jobs I play by learning them in and out, researching, etc. I also watch a lot of vids about FFXIV and Destiny 2. But I don't do Savage raids in FFXIV and the like because I don't have the time for them really, without giving up other stuff I enjoy in the game, at least.
For me, a hardcore player is more like 5 hours a day(EVERYDAY) at least, be on a schedule just like Asmon said, and be really into min maxing systems and mechanics while perceive the most difficult content in the game. You don't need to ba a neckbeard NEET that plays 7-16 hours a day, if you do, you're not "playing hardcore", you are living the game.
You can play 10h a day and just mess arround in main hub and joke arround or go afk all the time. Or you could play for 4h and clear a mythinc+. I think the type of content you engage with is more important than ammount of hours spent.
@@Member_zero Actually, good point. The kind of time spent that I was thinking about had to do with grinds(and chores lol) that the game forces you to do in order to get to the high end content. Games like WoW and BDO usually forces players to do boring grinds and that was what I was talking about when I said 5 hours everyday.
But looking at FFXIV this definitely isn't a necessity for the game nor the player. It's just old bad design that game developers used in the past to extend content when everybody was a scrub and the games didn't had or couldn't had a decent gameplay or content loop.
@@Member_zero can that always be true tho? What about somebody who just grinds the AH and farms mounts for 8hrs a day? Is that not hardcore?
Fair point lol.
I always thought hardcore meant a player that studied the game mechanics and used them for competitive play, min maxing, speed run, and other feats that are beyond the average player.
Not the amount of time someone spends playing a game.
@@w1mark275 I think this pretty much nails it.
Like i once did not invest in Attack Speed in Paragons at Diablo 3, to match the frames of my attacks just a little above the frames it took to trigger a passive of my Set, just to trigger it more often? :D
The editing on this video gave me whiplash and made me break out laughing. Well done.
Man I remember playing in Pandaria with my warlock. I had 3 books of xerath. One for me, one for the auction house and one for a random lock that complimented my green fire acquisition. That made that locks day. Never asked if he got it but I knew I made his game experience much more nicer just by being nice....what a wonder!
I'm glad that Josh's channel is getting more popular, he deserves all of it.
For me I think casual vs hardcore is a mindset and really comes down to the content you do and how hard your gonna go to complete that content
I still remember wod where i could kill archimonde mythic in 4 hours a week. Now with m+, shards, conduits and renown, torghast you need way more each week just for the basics, and i feel way more casual now since i don't even have sylvanas mythic down or play in a "pro" guild
I've been watching Asmon content effectively for about a week now and at least one moment in every video gets me rolling in my chair. Have another subscriber good sir....this stuff is Gold🥇.
I just wanna say as an almost 15 year veteran of RuneScape and and primarily OSRS player I wish people gave the time to understand the game is much deeper than what it appears to be on the surface. Pvp had insane depth as do all major bosses. Some of the most insane dedicated players have shown just how intricate the combat system is and precise movement and clicks are.
I agree with asmond. I've been playing wow for 14 years. Vanilla through the end of cata I was hardcore (raiding) getting in the top 3 for gear constantly. After cata I considered myself casual and to this day I'm casual or (grinder) just doing quest, LFR and mount farming. So, I just might get my GMOD before you. (Mr burns......excellent!)
Fellow grinder of yours, but on FFXIV for my part. On my way to have an omni crafter, gatherer and have all fighting jobs leveled up to max. And asside from the Savage fights and some of the level 70 / 80 extremes, I have gone through all of the dungeons content casually
@@Bloodworia Let people enjoy the game they play. Stop being so childish, if somebody enjoys playing WoW, let them be.
@@Bloodworia you still have a shitty attitude after all of these years?
There is nothing more Hardcore then watching a youtube video from a streamer that watches a youtube video about analyzing hardcore and casual players.
To me I differentiate "casual" and "HC" between the attitude towards the game. Do you play it just for fun? Just to kill time? Do you just want to hang out with people and socialise? Maybe raid a bit here and there, but nothing too commiting? Casual.
Do you want to constantly improve, get better at the game and tackle harder challenges? HC
Do you get hostile when anyone gives you even the tiniest piece of advice and do you frequently use the phrase "you do not pay for my sub"? Filthy casual. I only hate these kinds of players.
Recently got back into final fantasy 14 after finishing my master's degree. However now having a child I also find difficult to play. The best thing for me is been time management with an hour or two a day.
Atleast 14 respects your time a lot more than most MMOs you can dip in for an hour and feel like you've made progress.
Good for this dude. He held that batman mug for the entirety of the video without taking a single sip.
Omg u said King's Quest that is so old school again Zack ur the man lol
When I had time I played like 10 hours a day, but now with work and responsibilities I play like 4 hours (which is all my free time) on work days and on my free days I play all from 5 to 6 hours a day.
Going from a completionist to just trying to actually have fun has been difficult for me.
Some games I start up give me anxiety trying to get out of that hardcore mentality and it doesn't even make sense to me.
Very interesting discussion to be had considering the subjectivity of it all! I'm enjoying all these comments.
For me I believe different people will weigh each element differently. Some may weigh time to be more relevant than external involvement or choice of activity ingame, or vise versa. I just think it's a spectrum, rather than two groups of yes vs no.
Nope, it really is Bi-dimensional.
Where your [Enthusiasm] to learn the inner mechanics is the X axis, vs your [Attitude] against others is the Y axis.
It can really define where in the board one is.
9:03 I played WoW for like 5 years without much in terms of secondary content. As soon as I started reading wowhead and icyveins I realized how casual I had been.. hadn't even got into fatboss, subscribing to youtubers, or the forums. Didn't even know about addons!
i remember buying borderlands 1 off the good old discount isle, no internet connection, no activation key. i shared the game with all my friends and i still have the disc, its perfectly working to this day.
In WoW raiding guilds generally label themselves hardcore if they raid 4-5 days a week and tend to require their raiders to do everything they can outside of raid to improve or get stronger.
Semi hardcore guilds tend to do 3 raid nights a week and aren't required to do everything they can to get better but are encouraged to.
And casual raiding guilds are 1-2 raid night per week and don't care about raid comp or how little experience and gear players have. And tend to get curve of a tier towards the end of the patch.
All of this is so true for fighting games.
If a game is open and running.. I’m probably distracted and not even playing.
I play about 3 hours a day since launch day, but I don't raid or even usually do dungeons as I prefer the questing and general world part of the game. So I play "hardcore" timewise, but to some would be a "casual" as I don't raid etcetera :)
Back when I played in Vanilla and TBC content of WoW I guess i was elite hardcore because i spent on average 6-9 hours a day playing.
In FFXIV recently i averaged 4-6 hours a day during this summer period. but im also working and have a family so that does cut into my time spent playing. I run roulettes, collect my tomestones, craft 20 items for each of my 9 retainers to place up on the market... there is a lot to do and on some days i just don't have enough time in the day to complete it all.
I don't even think about any of this. It's curious for me to see people debating it and putting so much energy into thinking about it. Does it matter to the consumer? We just play with who we vibe with and there we go.
I was definitely a hard-core player of mmos 15 years ago. I get bored after an hour now. Back then say, in wow, I knew exactly when I could pop out of bear for while main tanking raid bosses, innervate or battle red someone, and get back in bear for between boss swings.
Ty Asmongold and English dude. Played WOW since Cata. Thru quests and dungeons have leveled many characters to max (no boosts) and most of the professions. Have gone outside of game to get tips on rotations, builds, talents. But still consider myself casual. Never raid or interact with community - except for joining an occasional guild or battle ground. Have little to no understanding of higher level aspects of the game such as seasons, end-game stuff in general, raiding or micro-managing underlying stats/mechanics. I do understand that I'll never get the best gear without buying it somehow. Wish they would bring back the open-world pvp servers. Yeah, I got ganked a lot but the occasional victory was sweet!
I must say in MMO’s there are different kinds of hardcore players. You can have hardcore PvPers, hardcore raiders, hardcore gatherers. What you focus on expands. And it most MMO’s you can’t be good in all areas because you don’t have enough time for it or the competition is to high/difficult to keep up with. After TBC I didn’t do much PvP anymore and focused on scheduled raiding, playing more than 5 hours a day, I considered myself a hardcore player. Yet I was a casual PvP player.
I‘m in the middle of both. I play too much and am too good to be a casual, but I‘m not putting in enough effort to be hardcore 😂
This xD
Showed several studies of MMO gametimes from 2005...
The real solution really is joining with a group with the same mind set/goals. Problem is, Random Dungeon Finder is unavoidable in WoW
I'm not sure what category I belong in, with a full time job and kids I still find the time to play (solo) because I have to break away often to help kids out but I still end up finishing most content in mmos that dont require parties. I would love to be able to do group content again someday. Perhaps when they get older.
I've always seen who is casual who is hardcore by how seriously they take everything. And not necessarily by how mad they get over the game, but by how much they try to learn stuff research. How much they care about something like missing daily or weekly run on something and so on.
In most mmo's you can be both in the same game. There are so many systems inside some games you can be very knowledgeable on one aspect and have no ideas about other. I market trade in eve online when I'm at work I play for 3-4 hours when i get home then play FF14 for a few hours with my wife. I play a lot of hours but I really only consider myself hardcore in only a few aspects of them.
I was playing 8+ hours a day on Aion for almost 10 years...It was like having a second job..All this time spended in a game not rewarding non pay to win players... Today the game is dead, I retired from mmos and I am now watching mmo related videos. Also doing things I enjoy more now ☺️ Waiting for THE new mmo !
I thought this was a recent video until I saw the "Annie got banned in New World" part, lol. I can never tell because it just looks like any other react one!
Im casually hardcore I work from home so I play while I work I'd say 70 percent of my game play is casually wandering around but the other 30 percent I'm hardcore raiding when I'm off work. I know pplz hate the term but in my case its not together it's just that I attack the game from 2 separate mind sets depending on what time it is
Used to be hardcore. Now with 2 kids since after bedtime is the only time I can play I am definitely in the casual category (though I do try to stay informed on all of the updates and try to perform well in the raids I do by watching TH-cam videos or reading guides so I don't hold others back). When I retire I will definitely jump back into that hardcore category 😆
Played for 12 years as a clicker so I'm hardcore
play candy crush 5 hrs a day. totally hardcore gamer.
The way i judge it is based on how much of your free time you spend playing games everyday. If you only ever have 2 hours of free time a day and you spend 1.5 playing games, youre just as hardcore as someone who has 12 hours free time and plays 8 hours a day
to me the issue in either mindset is mostly just the friction when they are mixed in a random party. Or when people don't realize or respect which content is made for which.
Hardcore players joining leveling roulettes and complaining when the sprout tank doesn't do wall to wall pulls.
Casual players joining higher difficulty content and just mindlessly pulling and dying until the timer runs out.
in other mmos i usually play an hour in the morning and then 6-7 after school. i go to college. tho i also partake in stuff like parties some times and even then i probably game before going.
being able to time something every 0.6 seconds is no more complicated than tapping along to the beat of a song...
That cup has walked through the Darkest Knight.
I’ve always considered someone that is hardcore in a game is someone who takes a part of that game to an extreme most don’t. I know we’ve considered hardcore players to be heavily skilled around just combat of the game but I could easily say it’s just as hardcore when you go hard into crafting or gathering.
Asmon: you are the cool ones you're a cut above the rest
biggest confidence boost for most of chat that day
Made quick spreadsheet of time played at max level only. 127 days and 6 hours across 5 toons. Shadowlands has been out for 291 days. This means I have averaged 10.5 hours per day. This data excludes leveling time and bank alts. My guild refers to me as the casual since I don't want to raid mythic xD
Ya it's all relative. Hardcore can vary from person to person. Just like saying a box is heavy. Well it might be heavy to a small person and light to a big person. I consider a hardcore person being someone that knows information that most other players would not know. Like exactly what stats every class needs in percentages and how to get any item or quest. Also someone that puts more time in than all average players. Someone that knows ALL game mechanics and performs better than most other players. But I still feel like it's an opinion at the end of the day
I think it’s based more off of what you are doing within the games more than the time playing
I think what you do during the time should be considered. Some people mess around, stand in Og, cruise the AH, etc. The more “hardcore” do their dalies, quests, etc.
It's funny. I play 8 average hours daily on FFXIV, consume content outside of the game itself, and actively participate in the community. But despite this, I STILL consider myself a casual, for the simple fact I haven't even ATTEMPTED a Shadowbringers Extreme trial.
@@shugo1047 That describes how I play the game pretty well, I'd say. Where did you find that?
I play most of FF14 casually, only recently trying the harder stuffs. I would say casual is way less stressful but the harder stuff can be very rewarding 🍕
Lmao I'm a hardcore wow player without even playing it and I already have the ptsd that everyone in the community has
It's crazy think i'm more hard core for new world despite not having/playing the game, but it does kind of make sense. If somone ask me where something is or what skills are good for what, chances are I will know the answer.
I love how he speaks about "purity test". I remember back in the day that happened with music and some of my friends. You like this music? So you know "x" band? No, really? So you don't know what you like. Ahahaha. I almost had a tattoo of Sonic some years ago, and I think the only Sonic game I ever completed and played like crazy was Sonic Adventure 2 on my Dreamcast.
You can play sonic adventure 2 exyrwmely hardcore as a speesrunner at an6 caliber of game.
Don let a bunch of opinions dissuade you from being happy my friend.
Asmongold is trollinh and the dude reporting is only using a cynical opinion to attract more viewers based on bias.
i played modded minecraft on server 14 hours a day everyday and knew every mod
best thing is there was always something new to find like sacred knowlege
that one dude in chat saying "tamagucci" killed me
Hardcore vs casual is as simple as do you plan your day around the game or do you plan your day around other shit outside of the game. Do you leave work early to play the game to raid or play with your team or do you just play when you get off work and play with whomever.
I'm a hard casual, always have been. I play a lot, but I don't do much endgame... I don't see the point when the gear is going to be outdated in 3 months.
The difference between hardcore and casual for me isn't in the details of the game but in the outside factors. For instance, if you find yourself playing the game, then after watching videos, reading wiki, min maxing and future proofing plans for the future for your character(s), and find yourself talking about it to other people or maybe experiencing other media like books,comics, movies, machinima ..then that's hardcore
When I was a WoW player, I did everything on every single class, yet I never did anything past LFR for raiding. Why? Due to the hours I work ( Got out at 2 A.M) and other real life obligations I did not have the time to raid, and the time I did have to raid I could not meet the guild at certain times and days to raid.
i only play 2-3hrs per day. either help the new players on our fc who wants to learn savage raid, or do 1 lockout of ultimate raid with my static.. i dont even consider myself hardcore even if i do these endgame content.
For me, hardcore player is someone who tries his Best to beat endgame content. Be it mythic raiding, having all transmog, gladiator pvp, collecting 700 mounts, having all pets transmog achievments, these are hardcore for me
Having transmogs and pets is not really end game because it takes no skill.
@@icswack6015 i didnt Say u need skill, but trying for invincible for 6-7 years and not getting it is pretty hardcore
In the end what matters is that they are good companions and good neighbors, help others and play the goal when necessary and above all enjoy the walk
I play around 21 hours a week, but consider myself casual. Reason behind that is I don't have time to raid , I am lucky to get into 5 player groups for a dungeon runs. I know how to play and I know group / raid etiquette, don't piss off the tank or healer, be helpful in fights, not pulling more stuff in, and don't roll against the tank or healer on their main spec gear unless they already have better or you yourself is a main tank or raid healer. Plus listen to the raid leader. I would love to raid if I had the time to devote to it.
i would say i'm more of a semi-hardcore player because i easily spend 7-9 h a day in ff14, i mostly know the tactics and stuff and i also inform myself about the game outside of the game but i don't need to know every little bit of all mechanics and skills that are out there^^
4:07 Plus I believe that even if you were to spend more time playing a game than people watch TV, it’s more healthy because you are exercising your brain since you have to quickly think about what you are doing, especially in raids. In other words, you are actively using your brain and your hands to play the game rather than just passively watching what is going on in a TV show.
I'm gonna be 'that guy'. What about the people who watch historical programs, or 'how to' videos, and not just mindless drivel? Hell, I''ll play devil's advocate and state that watching 'news' isn't informative if it's just an agenda program crafted to present only half the information. If you've done the same raid 100 times, are you truly using much of your brain, or is it just mental/muscle memory? Yeah, I'm just stirring the pot, here, but it's the internet, we gotta do our part :P
I would consider myself somewhere between hardcore and casual. I play mostly on raid days about 3-4hrs and then outside of that sometimes 5hrs somedays i dont even log on for 3 days in a row. I still got a cutting edge, id say im hardcore with the content i do but casual with time spent.
I dont think time matters, the outcome and content you play matters for me. I dont consider a player hardcore when he plays 14 hrs a day but he doesn't do mythic/high keys/high arena or bg
This was an old video if done during New World beta. He's actually talked to Malachite for a while during AllChat After Show. I think he now imagines FF14 in-person event as 2 to 1 males to female. A weird cat boy RL erotica section, and a bunch of cat girls and other normies asking for his autograph.
There's min maxers who spend hours to get the extra 2% dps on the meters. Then there's me who finds the way to spend the least time possible get 90% of the way there.
I've been playing wow for like 12 years casually and have nothing much to show for it lmao
This is one reason that put me off WoW a few years back. I'm more of a casual player and just wanted to enjoy playing the game, but some people would get angry if my DPS was sub par. I understand wanting to do good at the game, but we were never dying and I don't want to treat a game like a job or an exam.
I kind of agree with the point that players should decide if they are hardcore or not. They know how much theyre into the game. Me for instance, I play more than most people in a week, I like to learn the game mechanics in depth, I enjoy getting immersed in the culture of the game and the people. However, I wouldnt say Im hardcore. I dont really enjoy super difficult raids and I never cared about BiS. I just play. nothing too intense. Just run around and do whatever the game lets me.
I've always said that my game time is just like everyone else's TV time. Games are just better because they're interactive, and you usually need to use your brain to some extent.
Back in Cata when I started playing WoW I would play it for probably about 40 hours a week but because I ONLY raided in 10 man normal I never truly considered myself hardcore.
I find it funny how much MMO content I consume but yet I don't actually play any of them really
I believe being a hardcore player is determined by what content that you do. Casual players can't play mythic plus at high keys. Also, hardcore game modes require players to put in a shit ton of hours anyways. A casual player can spend 100 hours doing LFR and world quests. That doesn't make them a hardcore player. Whereas doing mythic plus raids every week does because most players can't do that.
I play ffxiv for approx 8 hours a day every day, But I consider myself casual. I don't raid regularly and mostly do whatever I feel like doing in the moment. I dungeon, raid, pvp, rp and craft. I collect mounts and minions as a passion and most of what I do is geared towards some achievement mount/minion.
I have a friend who's in two progressive statics and in constantly doing the hard end content. He only plays 4 hours a day. But I consider him more a hardcore player than myself.
Im used to play all day, but I dont play any game for more than 3h