Himiway Drivetrain Upgrade
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2024
- I upgrade my freewheel and front chain ring on my Himiway Cruiser.
Paid Links:
52 tooth chainring amzn.to/2XYRPf5
11-34 7 gear freewheel amzn.to/3AKm3RC
18mm/ 19mm wrench amzn.to/3zj7rrA
Rock Bros Pedals amzn.to/2Wk741Q
Just installed a new freewheel on my cruiser. Cutting the old one off is the only way to go. Vice grips didn't even work to remove the last bit. I had to put it in my bench vice and clamp it down HARD. Thanks for the video!
You guys are very smart fellas. I've never completed any job like this is my life...lol...I'm wondering if some day I could buy a set up like this from the bike store...lol
I just bought a Himiway Zebra. It has 26 miles on it. Love this bike, even to look at it I find joy. In my childhood days there were no bikes like this that I knew about.
After putting my Himiway together I named it Frankenstein because sitting on it it seemed to look and feel like a beast. Oh! I call it "Franky for short".
Here in the northeast, we don't have many months of bike riding weather. That my only tiny problem with this bike. Otherwise I'm a happy guy. Thing is scary some times. It will take off without me if I'm not paying attention....lol...I rode bike in the streets of sunny south Ft Lauderdale until I became a teenager, and now I find myself learning to ride ebikes all over again...lol
It's a blast!!!!
Just got a Zebra myself. You're right, it's pretty great to look at. I like riding it too. I got 68 miles to a charge!
Stan you are the man!!! I follow your instructions to the tee and IT WORKED. I change the rear gears with the same gears that you used. But I used a 53t instead of the 52t chain ring. Thants bro…
Awesome job man! OK please stop with the upgrades! Battery, now the upgrade to chang the gearing! Been looking for upgrading the speed. I will send pics of my upgrades or maybe put up a video.. your costing me money. I'm so close to hitting 1600 miles since May. Thanks for the videos.
thanks for watching.
I have changed step by step my gears kit with your video. Thank !
Here because I need more top end pedaling for my Magicycle so this is a big help.
One difference is the power lead comes in from the left side so I am hoping it makes changing the freewheel easier.
Great video! You make that look simple. That’s a great upgrade.
I have a Himiway step-thru Zebra and I am so glad I did not get the Cruiser because the upgrades on the Zebra are huge for the little bit of money you pay more for it and this video shows one of the major upgrades On the Zebra, I have that same tool for e-bikes freewheel and it worked great on my old e-bike and to see it would not work on the Cruiser sucks, but on the new Zebra the upgraded motor runs cooler and is more powerful plus they redesigned it to be much easier to work on as the motor comes apart on the disc brake side and the wires come out that side to between the hub and the frame which is a much better design and both nuts are 18mm so that tool works great because I changed the freewheel on my Zebra to an 11t-28t freewheel which is a five-star upgrade for me because they only allow you to unlock the Zebra to do 25 mph with the stock display and I rarely go faster than 22 mph because I am an old guy with a bad knee and that's why I got the step-thru, But they do sale a color display that will let you unlock the speed like on the Cruiser and if I do decide to get it then I will put on a bigger front sprocket on, but I have 1000 mi. on my Zebra so I also wanted to take apart the hub on the Zebra and that was easier to do too because the screw heads were 4mm and it came apart easy and I put a much better grease on the gears Lucas Red N tackey #2 that is a lithium based grease that is safe for the nylon gears also they claim the Zebra is 98% more reliable but time will tell but I have not heard of anybody welding their hub motor wire connector together like you see a lot of cruiser do, I see a lot of people working on their Cruiser with their wires still connected that would suck but I was just about to buy a Cruiser and they just came out with the Zebra and it was worth the wait for it.
G'day again Stan. I've done the mods as you have. I couldn't put the new 52T chainring on the inside of the bracket like the stock 46T because the teeth on it hit the frame, but no surprise there, so I put it on the outside of the bracket without the guard, since the guard is now too small to provide any real protection anyway. But with the 52T chainring I can only go to the 6th largest gear on the freewheel. The rear rerailleur is streteched out to it's maximum and there isn't enough slack in the chain to allow the chain to go to the 34T largest and lowest gear. It's not possible. You replied to me before that you re-used the stock chain and all worked OK. Next I tried a 50T chainring, mounting it also on the outside of the bracket. Even with the 50T chainring it also binds up some and does not shift reliably and safely to the 34T largest gear on the freewheel, so I don't want to run it that way and maybe break something or cause a lockup. Also with the chainring on the outside of the crank bracket the angle of the chain is quite a bit out of alignment. My Cruiser is a '21. I don't know if your bike is an earlier model and maybe there's slight differences in the frame specs or something, because the way it is now at leat for me is that the 52T chainring cannot work reliably and safely, especially trying to reuse the stock chain.
Hi Ozzie, I am having the same issue with the 52 tooth chainring. The chain will no go onto the low gear sprocket. I'm thinking about putting some new links in the stock chain to see if that cures the problem. Have you found anything that worked? Regards, Fred My bike is a 2021 model as well.
@@bethelridgeforge I thought I answered this but I don't see my reply. Did you get it? If you didn't let me know and I'll reply again with what I'm doing next.
@@golf4life357 I know that and I even asked Stan how much longer he had to make his chain. He said the stock chain was fine, which I found strange. And of course it was too short. No matter anyway because with the 52T chainring I didn't like the extreme chainline anyway. On a Himiway Cruiser the largest chainring that can be run in place of the stock 46T is a 48T so it will not hit the frame. So now I have the 11 x 34 freewheel and a 48T chainring, and the stock chain works fine. I can get a top speed of 35 mph and now instead of ghost pedaling, at 35 mph I'm pushing against the motor. So with the stock 750W motor and stock controller, it looks to me that unless more mods (more powerful motor and controller), 35 mph more or less, is the best a guy is gonna get.
I always watch and enjoy all your vids Stan!!
Super excited to watch!
A little up date.
The bike 🚲 rides great, hit top speed quicker, extended the battery riding hills, flat, etc.used to get 22 miles with peddle assists. Now I have a 10 mile jump up in miles to 32-35. With still bars left over! Peddling at 33 no problem at all! Any headlights your looking at?? Thanks again.
Just found your videos. Thanks Stan!
That's nuts that you have to grind it apart. I mean I know why you had to do it, but that's the kind of thing that makes me hate the people who designed it and thought it was a great idea.
I know this is a year ago but, u did figure out why? Proprietary so u likely wiuld come to them and spend ur money
AS USUAL STRAIGHT TO THE POINT AND SPOT ON…THANX!!!
Amazing, Stan!!! Great video!!!
U have a nice living room Stan.
Thanks sooooooo much ..gonna do the exact same thing to my bike also..THANK U FOR AN EXCELLENT VIDEO!!
Glad it helped
i have put a 11 to 46 tooith and man i love to climb steep hill,no electric ,no effort it just go!
there is a video by chris campbell that shows how to remove the gears without cutting
Where is the Chris Campbell video located can you give a link?
Great vid as usual.
While Stan did a great job of explaining how he removed the freewheel without using a freewheel removal tool there is a much simpler way to do it. If you notice there are two holes in the freewheel near the axle. You can use a small drift or punch type tool and a hammer to tap the freewheel loose from its mount to the motor hub. Tap in counter clockwise direction. Watch the short video from Haidong in China the factory that makes bikes for several direct to consumer E-bike retailers including Himiway and RAD.
th-cam.com/video/0oPSRQmpjWE/w-d-xo.html
That's what I did. Same as the Haidong YT video. No destruction of parts. I still don't know about the 52T chainring cuz when I tried to mount it inside the crank bracket like the stock 46T, it hit the frame on my Himiway Cruiser. Stan said he didn't have that problem but anywhere I've read they all say it hits the frame when you try to mount it the same as the stock chainring. I didn't like the severe angle of the chain either with the 52T on the outside of the crank bracket. And Stan said he didn't need to extend the chain either using the 11 x 34 freewheel with the 52T but I couldn't get up onto the lowest gear sprocket (largest one, the 34T) with the stock chain. A 50T chainring hits the frame also if you try to mount it like the stock 46T. I might try a 48T. It might be able to mount properly. Anyway I'm still working on this. No rush.
Using an $8 freewheel removal tool is much quicker and doesn't destroy the OEM freewheel. You may want to use it again. At any rate, using an abrasive wheel to cut anything off a threaded collar is risky at best. I guarantee that most anyone trying this method will cut into the treads - not good. Spend the $8 on Amazon, get it done much quicker and have the tool and the old freewheel for future use.
@@billdickinson6021 Yes but with the Himiway Cruiser a regular freewheel tool can't be used because of the size of the motor connection plug and the nut doesn't fit over either. I don't agree with using destructive methods either if they can be avoided. I changed mine very easily just following as shown in the Haidong Bike TH-cam channel video (Haaidong makes Himiways)....th-cam.com/video/0oPSRQmpjWE/w-d-xo.html
Thanks alot.Saved me alot of headaches and moola.
Cool! I wanna try it too!
Hi, I have a Himiway Zebra. I just checked the outer nuts that hold the rear tire on and both of mine are 18 mm. Are you saying that there is an additional nut on the freewheel? Sorry, I've never had one of these apart. Also, can you provide a link to the removal tool you used on your Rad? Thanks. John
Hey Stan :)
Thanks for your suggestion, gears are now great! Done exact same!
One question: how did you deal with the shift of the wheel alignment bcoz of the wider freewheel, cant get same number of washers to be able to fit back disk break caliper back on
I didn't have any problem with the brakes. The freewheel is on the other side.
Great video,going to do same up,but will the big sprocket 52 tooth
Yeah well it's really not that simple if you switch out both because your chain length will be way too short, I know because I tried it.
Correct. Read my other comments here and it will explain some of the issues I had.
like ya video but missing any advise about the chain! Cant work with the original.
Great video, I want to do that to my Himiway, so do you have seven or eight gears now?
7.
Still seven gears but a much wider ratio of gears. Better climbing gear and better high speed gear.
Are you going to change the derailleur for something more fancy ( durable ) as well ??
I know this video is a year ago but, i wanted to know uf u had to lenghthen the chain to accomadate new chainring/freewheel. Im preparing to upgrade these two components as well as the motor to a Bafang
Did you have to change the chain lenght? If yes to what size?
Can you use a freewheel pin spanner or a bottom bracket /freewheel tool to engage the two holes in end or top of the part of the freewheel that doesn’t spin. I am afraid to destroy the original freewheel incase I need to go back to the original set up. BTW I love your videos. I added a second battery and a chainring already. Keep them coming. I’m a huge fan.
removing just that ring would only remove the gears, the center rotating part still needs to come off.
@@stanthereservoirrat5934 Nope watch this video. th-cam.com/video/0oPSRQmpjWE/w-d-xo.html
Note that once you make this change there will be no way to use a spanner or drift to remove the new freewheel as it doesn't have the holes necessary. The good news unless you wear the freewheel gears to point of needing to be replaced you won't have a problem. If you do need to replace the freewheel you can always follow Stan's method.
Out of interest, could someone tell me if the Hemiway Cruiser has a 123 mm square taper bottom bracket? I am thinking of buying one, and if I did so, would like to add a 46/30 double at the front. In the UK we only get the 250w version of the bike and the average elevation gain is 1,200ft for every ten miles traveled. My own road has a gradient of 14%. I am not so much interested in top speed, but do need hill climbing ability.
Hi, I got the suggested chainring and freewheel and installed them on the bike without issue. When I went to adjust the derailleur, I could not adjust it far enough to be able to shift into the lowest gear. Even taking the chain in hand and trying to get it to go onto the low gear and and at the same time placing the chain onto the chainring can't be accomplished. It acts like the stock chain doesn't have enough links/length to it. Can you tell me how many links should be in this stock chain?
Another note on this update to gearing on the Himiway Cruiser. I purchased the same front chain ring as Stan recommended. After mounting it to the crank on the outside of the mounting points I noticed a seaver chain angle when using the larger gears on the freewheel. I remounted the front chainwheel on the inside (closest to the frame) this improved the chain angle a bunch.
I had to readjust the shifter to remove the noise when using the mid to largest gears. Watch this great video from PARK TOOLS showing the proper method for making those adjustments. th-cam.com/video/UkZxPIZ1ngY/w-d-xo.html
Which part doesn't go over the freewheel removal tool? Why couldn't you just change the nut instead?
The nut doesn't fit over the connector to the motor. Can't remove the nut. Tool has to fit over it.
Stan: I have a problem with my Himiway Cruiser where it SURGES from a dead stop and causes real problems. Its happened three
times. I am hoping you can help me track down WHAT is causing this. The first time was in my living room when I was trying set the
pedal assist. the
I am a musician and the bike LUNGED from a dead stop at 1am and just missed a 00028 Martin (brand new) and hit a nice coffee table and stopped putting a nice DIVOT in the table. OK. I wasn't even touching it! OK the second time:
I was at a red light and the bike just TOOK OFF and I grabbed the brakes and the bike and stopped it....lucky I didn't get creamed in traffic. It was this time that I realized this was kindof stupid and I was going to get hurt or damage the bike or somebody's car or all three. And I should QUIT riding it. So I headed home. The THIRD and last time. I was at the end of my driveway and it just TOOK OFF into the side of the house and, while I sprained my ankle a bit, I grabbed the bike and stopped it. So I'm not going to ride it anymore until I can get someone to tell me what is wrong. I built it and was trying to set the pedal assist and I can send you the instructions I got from customer service at Himiway to complete this but I never really got it done.
What would you look for?
I am going to try and send you a picture of the bike.
It should be after I sign out.
If not I will send it to you separately.....
Gordon Bancroft
gvbancroft@gmail.com
530 809 5717
Did you change the chain, if so with what?
Good video , i will try this this winter. So if i want change just my 7 kit gears , will the chain be long enough ?
Yes the chain is long enough.
@@notalk-justwalk4597 Do you have the link or model number of your 7 speed 11-34 gear kit ? Thank
amzn.to/3mTbt6i
@@stanthereservoirrat5934 Thank !
Stan, excellent video. I've already changed my display on my '21 Cruiser and with the KD718 display I can get a top speed of 33 mph. I'm gonna also change my battery from the 48V to a plug-and-play 52V which should give me another 1-2 mph. But now I'm running into exactly the same issue as you had. At 33 mph I can't pump my pedals fast enough to catch up to the motor. Thanks for listing the links to all the parts you used. How has this worked out for you? Did you have to change your chain or length of your chain? Any issues with deraileur changing gears and freewheel assembly/chain/chain ring alignment? I will do exactly as you have and any tips or changes you have done since that are further improvements you can let me know about would be greatly appreciated.
The derailleur worked fine after changing the free wheel. I did nothing to the chain, works fine. Thanks!
@@stanthereservoirrat5934 Thanks for the quick reply. I'm gonna order the kit. I'd prefer to use a different material than aluminum for the chain ring and use a proper size guard also. But I guess since the chain ring is fairly easy to change I can see how that lasts. I just noticed that the deraileur gears are made of plastic. On the fence about changing them to better quality.
@@golf4life357 You're right. I've been all through this setup so I'm tired of beating this dead horse. Basically to maintain good chainline the largest chainring you can run on the inside is a 48T. 50T and 52T hit the frame and you need to run them on the outside which gives you extreme chainline. And especially if you run an 11 x 34 freewheel your chain is too short to run the 34T on the freewheel. Like the guy says in this video, "if it ain't broke don't fix it."......th-cam.com/video/0lN3Zf9gpp8/w-d-xo.html
@@golf4life357 Well it seems Stan did it and is living proof that it works. But we won't confuse you with the facts!
@@golf4life357 Same here, I'm a math guy and the stock chain does not work. It only makes sense to lengthen the chain by the same amount of increase in sprocket size. The largest rear sprocket and the chainring increase combined should do it. Don't let the math confuse you :}
Regards, Fred
I did the gear upgrade but then I could not get into 1st gear. The chain was about 3-4 links too short. I ordered a new chain exact replacement of the type of chain. (Z8.3 and it was the same length . I cut out a few links and added them and two Master links to reassemble the chain. I seemed to work okay at first but now I've had the chain pop off several times. Any clue on what's wrong? I do see that the chain is not exactly in line with the two sets of gears because the crankset gear is further out, but not sure thats the issue. Any Ideas?
Sorry, I don't know why your having a problem. I replaced the freewheel and front chain ring with no issues. It sounds like the derailleur maybe out of adjustment.
Hi, i know this bid is 1yr ago but, im curious about the freewheel upgrade. I have an 11-34t freewheel. Is there any thing specific to using this part? Or just any 11-34t freewheel
Any 7 gear 11-34 freewheel.
@@stanthereservoirrat5934 thank you. I didnt know if there were any differences in them . Hopefully with my controller, im back on the road
Using a Dremel or similar to take off a flywheel?! You must be kidding!? This should just not be! It's like in the middle age! In 2022 (and also 40 years before) there must be another tool to remove it. It's a standard procedure to take off flywheels and freewheels. Himiway & Co. just don't care about, that's no good.
Thanks for your input- can i swap the front chain without swapping the rear?
Yes. For sure.
@@stanthereservoirrat5934 Thanks a lot for your response! :)
Can you just replace the front chain ring with the 52 tooth or do you have to replace both to eliminate the ghost pedaling?
changing just the front chainring would help some.
I'd like to try just the 52T chainring first to see if it might make any difference. Does the 52T chainring fit OK without having to use spacers or does it hit the frame?
@@ozzie444 I put the new 52 chain ring on with no spacers.
@@notalk-justwalk4597 Good stuff. Didn't need to do anything to the chain? Shifted through the gears OK & ran smoothly? What brand chainring did you use? Excuse the questions but I'd like to do this, but just one time and done right.
@@ozzie444 original chain. I put a link to the chainring I used.
Did you have to adjust the derailleur ?
I did not have to.
Is it possible to fit a 9 speed cassette?
No. Bikes that use freewheel are max 7. Cassettes can't be used on this bike.
Les teeth means more top speed more teeth means more torque less top speed
A larger drive gear [chainring] with the same freewheel will result in more speed. I have motors in my shop that prove this. Regards, Fred
If you had A better bike for cheaper and way faster too and comes with 11-34t freewheel and 52t chainring stock.