Excellent as always Tinman. Good pointers to watch out for. Vintage saws do take more time as it is hard to source parts. People who have parts tend to not want to give them up as they know they are unatanium (like you always say) or they gouge you for the part. I think it's the coolest thing to revive these old saws. The quality and craftsmanship put into the vintage models is what makes them unique and special. In todays world of fast food products and assembly line items you just don't get the nostalgia like the old stuff. Same with cars, truck, bikes, fridges, wood stoves and on and on. It will be a shame when these items are all in the land fill. People now days just don't appreciate history and vintage stuff until it's all restored and shiny then they want it for nothing, most don't appreciate it or the work that went into it to get it there. But it is what it is. Thanks for sharing TC Tinman Mahalo 🤙🤙🤙
I tried using Tygon on snowmobile impulse hoses. It worked until the engine heated up and it started collapsing and expanding instead of pulsing the pump. 5-10 miles.
So helpfull. Im rebuilding my Ms381 in South Africa and your 038 series has been brilliant. You often refer to yourself as a "Jack of all trades and a master of non". I think the original saying applies to you better. "A jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one" cheers and thanks again.
Hello Tinman, I really enjoy your video’s. I lived just south of you in Grand Forks, N.D. I also visited Manitoba quite often ❤️ Sick parents had me move back east. I’m in northeast Vermont. Thanks for all the tips, I cut, split 12-cords per year with my 562. Hang in there brother and thanks for your time! 👍
Using mine for bucking. It’s made in Brazil, no idea how old. I like your idea of putting a grommet in the tank with plain old fuel line through vs proprietary lines. I’m going to pop apart my air filter, I bet that spring is weak. Great video!
Hi Tinnman!!😀😀 The one's made in Brazil are newer. The 028 farm boss and 028 super also have the same type of a choke on them. I have never had a problem with them not working properly. Except for one time a spring broke on one. Between my dad and I have had at least ten 028's and 038's over the years. They were probably my favorite saws back in the day when they were new. Then they came out with the 044 and I fell in love with them. I'm still running ms460s and actually have bought a Farmertec huztl 388 just so I have one again. It's been a good saw so far. Take care my friend!!😀😀👍👍💚💚 Logger Al
I had a 026 that the fuel melted into the bottom of the tank once reminded me of the the tackle box an rubber worms that melt in your box lol I had to work hard to get that melted mess out of itlooks like you got to that in time great vid keep them coming
I have the older one with the metal tank. Love it!!!! I run it stock, with a 20 inch bar and standard chain. And yes, the air filter can be a weak spot, but mine works fine. Just worried because mine is of the older OEM filters that is just made of wire mesh, I clean it after every use.
And yes, the 038 is still made in brazil, but has evolved to the 382. Now the standard model is a 72cc saw, just like the old magnum. Lovely saws the 382!! you could try import one for you ;)
On rubber or similar I use brake clean to act as a lubricant, it flashes off quick so it doesn't hang around. I use it of motorbike grips, but things like intake boots is perfect too
Iv noticed on a few 038mags fines find their way into the carb. Iv used grease with success.I'm wondering Tinman after you have used the saw and when its ready for a filter clean if you could have a look down the carburetor and see if theirs any fines?Perhaps its just been the way I tighten up the filter or I'm missing a plate.
Oem filter flap can deform as well a little bit to add to that note. Happened on mine and little filing and fitting got it to fit good again, carb wise the one I had was equipped with a metal lifting arm, is thst a Bing carb? Mine was a tilly
I have an acquaintance who, was on the crew who restored log structures in Yellowstone NP. He had been working everyday with saws. For 42 years. then he got complacent and dang near cut his leg off. As it was, the wound damned near killed him for bleeding. Moral to the story is PAY ATTENTION at all times. Stop these idiotic starting methods. if you don't NEED bar and chain for the "thing" you are working on, Take the bar and chain OFF
My 038 the lever wouldn’t engage the choke properly it would just bind up. It was missing that metal piece behind it and needed that shim out to connect right. Also had a tillotson hk on it but ended up ordering a new oem bing carb for it the tilly wouldn’t run good for whatever reason
Yea man, spot on w regards to air filter/choke pos. would b a better saw if ya could use the profilter w separate choke blade. we used to have our AV as a backup to the backup when we did fire wood. backup was an old Mac 850 w a cyl score so big one would think we were spraying for skeeters. 38av was min on torque at 9800ft and temper mental on ultra sharp "blades". not enough torque for 2ft curls on aspen. prob better at flat lander alt.
Haha I stretched the spring a little for the choke to work better, only to find out it choked itself at high rpm😅 bad deal, so I replaced the spring from an 026 air filter and pull more on a cold start.
Great video! How about cutting off the middle part of the old fuel line that seals against the housing and build a grommet out of it, that allows that your yellow hose to pass through, so you may use this one as makeshift-fuel line 🤔 I‘d cut the middle part out and open up the hole - most probably with a sharp drill… a socket in the right size may help to hold the grommet in place during a drilling attempt.
In Germany, we have the same Problems with our Fuel. Almost every Fuel has ethanol in it. When it gets old and bad, it kills almost every Fuelline and Diaphram. Homeowners have a lit of Problems with bad Fuel , so we recommend Aspen 2T.
I currently have 4 running 038s - 2 x 038 Supers I fully rebuilt and a magnum I fully rebuilt plus an original 038 Super with metal rear handle. Stay clear of aftermarket air filters on them. Every one I have tried had mal-formed choke butterflys that wouldnt seal properly or crap springs. Swapping over an original Stihl butterfly works well (if you happen to still have it.... Stihl clutches are getting hard to come by for these saws so gather up any used spares you can find.
Thanks great advise. I have just one 038, immaculate condition. Prob only has 15 - 20 hours. You have me concerned with the clutches, does Stihl still list them? Any idea how many hours a clutch on these will last? (I use my saws so little may never have to worry - but I’m a perfectionist and may ramp up down the road)
All the 038 hard parts are available, because the ms380 and 381 are very similar to the 038, and was only recently discontinued as a production saw, in which the 382 replaced it.
hi i have an 038. that i haven’t use for sometime. i cleaned the carb got it running lovely but when i turn it off chain oil leaks out from behind the bar more than it should it o ly happens after i run it so not a hole or damage do you have any idea what it could be thank you
Great video as always. I have the exact same saw, and I haven’t had it for very long and I had to replace the handle but I just cannot get for the life of me on the black tube back into the handle that goes into the cylinder. So if somebody could link me to a good video of somebody, putting it back on, I live out in the country so I’d rather not go into town to get it fixed.
Tinmaaaaan, strange irony with your video today. I built a 038 magnum Brazilian model a couple months back. New piston, rings seals and an aftermarket fuel tank/handle. a scuff on the intake and opened the exhaust a couple degrees to 99°. Finally put it in the wood last weekend and had trouble getting it started so a wee splash of fuel and away it went. Had an issue with the re start and now know where to look to the aftermarket air filter. The choke didn't feel right off the bat so the info you provided makes perfect sense and the timing is impeccable.. Thank you for all the tips and tricks as always my Canadian brother.. All the best to you and the Mrs n baby.. SLANT'E
Love your channel. Have gotten a lot of good advice form you. Now, I need a favor. You mentioned a good source for aftermarket parts in one of your videos about what cylinder kits you use. I'd like to know their name. I need some help with parts like that. Can you tell me who it is you use? Keep up the good work. I can't wait until you and Buckin' Billy Ray get together.
Tinman if you need some parts for this 038 build I’d love to help you out. Mag 2’s were German made, magnums with serial numbers beginning with a three were Brazilian made.
I had a late model 038mag 2 made in Brazil, bought it new in year 2000. It had the rare full wrap and factory triple port muffler, and clear fuel tank. I would love to find a full wrap handle bar for my ms380
@@forrestwright5981 nice. I have triple port mufflers on both my 038 mags. One has full wrap the other is half wrap. They definitely have the old school grunt.
I would think stihl could make a little more money if they weren't so against selling parts through anyplace other than stihl dealers. I do have to appreciate a company that is so supportive of their dealers but c'mon, after they discontinue or replace a specific model IMO they should allow their parts to be more easily available!
No reason to run ethanol. The whole petroleum industry shouldn’t be running it either. It’s just cheap substandard fuel. Ethanol free gasoline could be hard to find depending where you live.
My 038 is a little bit older. The markings are different, the tag says "038AV Magnum II Electronic Quickstop". The manual that came with it has a copyright date of 1985. It's made in West Germany and Germany was reunited in late 1990. So I'm going with 1985-90 on my saw, until I look up the serial number that is.
Excellent as always Tinman. Good pointers to watch out for. Vintage saws do take more time as it is hard to source parts. People who have parts tend to not want to give them up as they know they are unatanium (like you always say) or they gouge you for the part. I think it's the coolest thing to revive these old saws. The quality and craftsmanship put into the vintage models is what makes them unique and special. In todays world of fast food products and assembly line items you just don't get the nostalgia like the old stuff. Same with cars, truck, bikes, fridges, wood stoves and on and on. It will be a shame when these items are all in the land fill. People now days just don't appreciate history and vintage stuff until it's all restored and shiny then they want it for nothing, most don't appreciate it or the work that went into it to get it there. But it is what it is. Thanks for sharing TC Tinman Mahalo 🤙🤙🤙
Thanks for sharing all your experience and best wishes for the family
enjoy watching a genuine guy. truly rare
I tried using Tygon on snowmobile impulse hoses. It worked until the engine heated up and it started collapsing and expanding instead of pulsing the pump. 5-10 miles.
So helpfull. Im rebuilding my Ms381 in South Africa and your 038 series has been brilliant. You often refer to yourself as a "Jack of all trades and a master of non". I think the original saying applies to you better. "A jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one" cheers and thanks again.
Yay!! Tinman! These vids always make my day better
Hello Tinman, I really enjoy your video’s. I lived just south of you in Grand Forks, N.D. I also visited Manitoba quite often ❤️ Sick parents had me move back east. I’m in northeast Vermont. Thanks for all the tips, I cut, split 12-cords per year with my 562. Hang in there brother and thanks for your time! 👍
Great information Tinman, keep up the good work!
Using mine for bucking. It’s made in Brazil, no idea how old. I like your idea of putting a grommet in the tank with plain old fuel line through vs proprietary lines. I’m going to pop apart my air filter, I bet that spring is weak. Great video!
As always good content, always learn something!
Hi Tinnman!!😀😀
The one's made in Brazil are newer.
The 028 farm boss and 028 super also have the same type of a choke on them. I have never had a problem with them not working properly. Except for one time a spring broke on one. Between my dad and I have had at least ten 028's and 038's over the years. They were probably my favorite saws back in the day when they were new. Then they came out with the 044 and I fell in love with them. I'm still running ms460s and actually have bought a Farmertec huztl 388 just so I have one again. It's been a good saw so far.
Take care my friend!!😀😀👍👍💚💚
Logger Al
I love my 038 super, little heavy but such a smooth saw
I had a 026 that the fuel melted into the bottom of the tank once reminded me of the the tackle box an rubber worms that melt in your box lol I had to work hard to get that melted mess out of itlooks like you got to that in time great vid keep them coming
I have the older one with the metal tank. Love it!!!!
I run it stock, with a 20 inch bar and standard chain. And yes, the air filter can be a weak spot, but mine works fine. Just worried because mine is of the older OEM filters that is just made of wire mesh, I clean it after every use.
And yes, the 038 is still made in brazil, but has evolved to the 382.
Now the standard model is a 72cc saw, just like the old magnum.
Lovely saws the 382!!
you could try import one for you ;)
Awesome video Tinman
Doing a great job 👏
On rubber or similar I use brake clean to act as a lubricant, it flashes off quick so it doesn't hang around. I use it of motorbike grips, but things like intake boots is perfect too
LOVE to have a full wrap for the 038
I have a neotech 872 (038 magnum) I've been running a bit and like it but I want to port it! I've been following this series
Same here on my 390 stihl, proprietary fuel line, its cracked where its flared to go through into the tank, gotta buy one..
First digit in serial number is coded for country of manufacture. I had the same issue with impulse rash from clamp interference.
mine is a 83 038 super , west Germany, has that carb choke deal but it works ok
Hope u are well sir have a good weekend
Just did rear drum brakes on my 2004 Wrangler. 18 years of crud!
Now back to the Jonsereds 49SP.
Got 2 038 mags. Both are made in Brazil. They call them outlaw saws
Iv noticed on a few 038mags fines find their way into the carb. Iv used grease with success.I'm wondering Tinman after you have used the saw and when its ready for a filter clean if you could have a look down the carburetor and see if theirs any fines?Perhaps its just been the way I tighten up the filter or I'm missing a plate.
Oem filter flap can deform as well a little bit to add to that note. Happened on mine and little filing and fitting got it to fit good again, carb wise the one I had was equipped with a metal lifting arm, is thst a Bing carb? Mine was a tilly
I have an acquaintance who, was on the crew who restored log structures in Yellowstone NP. He had been working everyday with saws. For 42 years. then he got complacent and dang near cut his leg off. As it was, the wound damned near killed him for bleeding. Moral to the story is PAY ATTENTION at all times. Stop these idiotic starting methods. if you don't NEED bar and chain for the "thing" you are working on, Take the bar and chain OFF
My 038 the lever wouldn’t engage the choke properly it would just bind up. It was missing that metal piece behind it and needed that shim out to connect right. Also had a tillotson hk on it but ended up ordering a new oem bing carb for it the tilly wouldn’t run good for whatever reason
Yea man, spot on w regards to air filter/choke pos. would b a better saw if ya could use the profilter w separate choke blade. we used to have our AV as a backup to the backup when we did fire wood. backup was an old Mac 850 w a cyl score so big one would think we were spraying for skeeters. 38av was min on torque at 9800ft and temper mental on ultra sharp "blades". not enough torque for 2ft curls on aspen. prob better at flat lander alt.
Haha I stretched the spring a little for the choke to work better, only to find out it choked itself at high rpm😅 bad deal, so I replaced the spring from an 026 air filter and pull more on a cold start.
Great video! How about cutting off the middle part of the old fuel line that seals against the housing and build a grommet out of it, that allows that your yellow hose to pass through, so you may use this one as makeshift-fuel line 🤔
I‘d cut the middle part out and open up the hole - most probably with a sharp drill… a socket in the right size may help to hold the grommet in place during a drilling attempt.
Tinman,
Always remember the hole saying. " A jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one "
In Germany, we have the same Problems with our Fuel. Almost every Fuel has ethanol in it. When it gets old and bad, it kills almost every Fuelline and Diaphram.
Homeowners have a lit of Problems with bad Fuel , so we recommend Aspen 2T.
would a small grommet work to seal up hole into tank?
Like the channel just bought a 038AVS looking forward to building it into a magnum curious about carb what would a guy substitute for the bing carb
The carb for the newer version, ms 381. 1119 120 0605.
When I couldn't get a carb kit for my 038 MAG I whacked one of them on. No worries, runs good
I currently have 4 running 038s - 2 x 038 Supers I fully rebuilt and a magnum I fully rebuilt plus an original 038 Super with metal rear handle. Stay clear of aftermarket air filters on them. Every one I have tried had mal-formed choke butterflys that wouldnt seal properly or crap springs. Swapping over an original Stihl butterfly works well (if you happen to still have it.... Stihl clutches are getting hard to come by for these saws so gather up any used spares you can find.
Thanks great advise. I have just one 038, immaculate condition. Prob only has 15 - 20 hours. You have me concerned with the clutches, does Stihl still list them? Any idea how many hours a clutch on these will last? (I use my saws so little may never have to worry - but I’m a perfectionist and may ramp up down the road)
All the 038 hard parts are available, because the ms380 and 381 are very similar to the 038, and was only recently discontinued as a production saw, in which the 382 replaced it.
I have a good runner, watching to see how this goes.
hi i have an 038. that i haven’t use for sometime. i cleaned the carb got it running lovely but when i turn it off chain oil leaks out from behind the bar more than it should it o ly happens after i run it so not a hole or damage do you have any idea what it could be thank you
Great video as always. I have the exact same saw, and I haven’t had it for very long and I had to replace the handle but I just cannot get for the life of me on the black tube back into the handle that goes into the cylinder. So if somebody could link me to a good video of somebody, putting it back on, I live out in the country so I’d rather not go into town to get it fixed.
Tinmaaaaan, strange irony with your video today. I built a 038 magnum Brazilian model a couple months back. New piston, rings seals and an aftermarket fuel tank/handle. a scuff on the intake and opened the exhaust a couple degrees to 99°. Finally put it in the wood last weekend and had trouble getting it started so a wee splash of fuel and away it went. Had an issue with the re start and now know where to look to the aftermarket air filter. The choke didn't feel right off the bat so the info you provided makes perfect sense and the timing is impeccable.. Thank you for all the tips and tricks as always my Canadian brother.. All the best to you and the Mrs n baby.. SLANT'E
Iv always cut the grommet off of the old Stihl line and run new line trough it
Ya we got softwood 😊
Love your channel. Have gotten a lot of good advice form you. Now, I need a favor. You mentioned a good source for aftermarket parts in one of your videos about what cylinder kits you use. I'd like to know their name. I need some help with parts like that. Can you tell me who it is you use?
Keep up the good work. I can't wait until you and Buckin' Billy Ray get together.
Morning,
Wolfcreeksawshop.com is where all my top ends come from.
@@tinmanssaws - Thanks for your help? Much continued success!
Jack of all and a master of none... is better than a master of 1...
Sir plss help me my chain saw is overheating, what is problem?
Mr tinman I was wondering how much you charged to port a saw
Tinman if you need some parts for this 038 build I’d love to help you out. Mag 2’s were German made, magnums with serial numbers beginning with a three were Brazilian made.
I had a late model 038mag 2 made in Brazil, bought it new in year 2000. It had the rare full wrap and factory triple port muffler, and clear fuel tank. I would love to find a full wrap handle bar for my ms380
@@forrestwright5981 nice. I have triple port mufflers on both my 038 mags. One has full wrap the other is half wrap. They definitely have the old school grunt.
I would think stihl could make a little more money if they weren't so against selling parts through anyplace other than stihl dealers. I do have to appreciate a company that is so supportive of their dealers but c'mon, after they discontinue or replace a specific model IMO they should allow their parts to be more easily available!
Fuel line rotted from using regular gas with ethanol always use premium in your small engines
I have a 038av super pro chainsaw and my chainsaw has the filter design flaw
Kako je nastelovan karburator, koliko je odvijen H i L saraf ?
Some Husqvarnas made in Brazil too!
I didn't know that!
And Yugoslavia
I used to be a Stihl man but not any more. I've become not a fan of the filters and the choke setup, proprietary fuel lines and the intake boots.
In need of a good saw dude in Moscow Ohio or close anyone have a any suggestions
Have you ever thought about fitting an air stack to an 038 Tinman? And if so what do you think you would need to achieve a good outcome?
Use OEM filters and you will have no trouble
Is it impossible to get non ethanol fuel in some parts of North America?
Why else would anyone run it?
No reason to run ethanol. The whole petroleum industry shouldn’t be running it either. It’s just cheap substandard fuel. Ethanol free gasoline could be hard to find depending where you live.
old saws are not only old but the smell that way also! The 026's had the same stupid air filter. Yes, stupid. And that's coming from an ex Stihl tech.
If you are comfortable with what you are doing and know where your bar is in the wood, well chaps are . I’ll leave at that!
video is very blurry
Shhhhhhhhhhhaps? TinMan. Chaps like shhhaps not chaps. Really chaps my hide.
the o28 is the same ya they suck
My 038 is a little bit older. The markings are different, the tag says "038AV Magnum II Electronic Quickstop". The manual that came with it has a copyright date of 1985. It's made in West Germany and Germany was reunited in late 1990. So I'm going with 1985-90 on my saw, until I look up the serial number that is.