"A wireless charger" - is a pad on a table - still requires your phone to be in very specific spot - phone not usable when charging - horribly inefficient sounds to me like much worse cable ngl
Its really funny that Apple says that it would freeze innovation while they haven't changed their charging/data port for the last 10 years lol. I like Apple products but having USB 2.0 speeds in a flagship phone in 2022 is just laughable.
I also really like apple stuff. But their proprietary chargers are soo damn annoying! They're soo expensive if you buy from apple, third party ones are usually crap, and if you're out somewhere and you lose your charger or it breaks hunting around for a lighting cable is a chore, while every little corner shop has micro USBs. And like you say they're not even good at what they do at the best of times!
What kind of troglodyte even uses the connector on an iphone for anything other than charging (or would need usbc speeds most of the time)? You are assuming they will even update it to usb 3 in the process, usb c can support usb2 with fewer pins and the same interface. They may just do that ... however what is more likely is that they will probably just remove it all together and rely on wireless charging. So great. Now not more wired headphones, thanks guys.
I think this is a fantastic choice for accessibility reasons as well. When you are visually impaired it can be really hard to plug in your devices. The C is the easiest one to plug in and out if you can't see the cord or the port.
No, the C isn’t the easiest. Obviously you never tried the lightning. The C sucks because 50% of the times you get it wrong and have to turn it round. Or you have to investigate which is the right turn before you can plug it in. Never so with the lightning. An overall standard is a good thing, but why take the worse of the two?
@@HarryGuitUSB-C doesn't have sides anymore. From your false information I can gather you never touched a USB-C Cable in your live. And as someone who is severe visually impaired, I can tell you from experience USB-C is way easier to plug in than Lighting, because A. It has no right or wrong side and B. The plug itself is a bit thicker and easier to grip than a lighting plug
@@HarryGuit Sounds like you never used USB-C loool. Type-C is reversible, much faster and can carry much more power than Lightning. Which is the entire reason APPLE THEMSELVES use Type C on MacBooks and iPads. Lightning isn't gonna get adopted cuz its a proprietary standard compared to the open USB-C Spec.
7:06 I really hope the future of mobile devices is NOT wireless. Wireless power is so inefficient, less than half of the power consumed by the base actually goes into the phone. This means higher bills for individuals and on a global scale a huge waste of energy which is something we can't really afford nowadays.
Hear hear. I actually do use the usb-c port on my phone for data as well on occasion. You can use a hub with your phone and use a keyboard or a flash drive with ease.
also, the current wireless chargers, those where you put your phone ontop of them, are useless if you still want to use your phone while it's charching
@Vinícius Felipe Posselt sorry but your statements are mostly false. It is not about the wattage (power) but about the energy consumed. A wireless charger creates an EM field picked up by the phone secondary winding, as this "transformer" uses air as the core lots of radiation is just dispersed in the environment. Overcharging and waste of energy are not a thing, phone have a charger built in and batteries have overcharge and discharge protection. When the phone is fully charged no more current is drawn from the cable. Yes plugged in bricks du use some energy but it's in the range of mWh, wireless chargers meanwhile are also always plugged in but in addition they send frequently bursts of energy to detect if a phone is in range and this wastes much more. Just do some research on wireless chargers efficiency and you will find lots of papers or articles explaining this in more detail.
It’s particularly weird how much Apple is against USB-C, considering how much of a song and dance they made about how they *developed* it, and were the first manufacturer to adopt it in their iPads and Laptops because of its superiority over lightning ports. Like you threw a bunch of money into getting it made and wanted it to become an industry standard, and now you’re getting mad that people want to make it the industry standard for mobile devices?
Well, partly because Lightning was developed specifically to replace the old 30-pin connector, it solved a number of specific problems for Apple and the iPhone at the time. It’s small, you won’t snap it off in the device easily, it can be plugged in either orientation, and it’s microprocessor controlled which prevents it from blowing up your iPhone and melting your face off. The licensing cost goes to cover that microprocessor in each cable which protects the specification for the standard and avoids said face melting (which, if you remember the horror stories, were a problem with the cheap Chinese 30-pin cables people were using on old iPhones which had no protection in them). When Apple went through that change from 30-pin to Lightning, I don’t think they were expecting to have to go through it again soon. It made millions of accessories obsolete overnight and was a huge cost and pain for customers. I think they implemented USB-C first in larger devices because it made sense. But it wasn’t necessary for the iPhone where it will be a pain again for customers. As an iPhone customer with plenty of Lightning cables, I wouldn’t want it changed for my iPhone. But bring it on to replace that shit micro-USB on everything else. That sucks ass!
I'm unsure if they really are against USB-C. The Macbook Pro I'm using at the moment has four USB-C sockets. One is connected to a charger at the moment. Lighting was better than Micro USB plugs but this has been resolved with USB-C plugs.
Yeah. I especially hope to see them do something about the “stick Drift” situation because I recently found out from VCuda that corporations not shockingly created stick drift for there new products to place a faster planned obsolescence on their devices.
@@dwbworld obviously there would be some exceptions, but especially in this case where the only motivation for making your product different is greed, then yes. Imagine how much faster the human race could advance if we started working with each other instead of against.
translation: we were planning to replace our trash charging port with a fancy new proprietary one we could use to sell new accessories and adaptors that cost an exorbitant amount
I don't think Apple is making the argument in good faith for this context but there may. It could cause issues when things actually advance. The reverse already occurred in the past between Europe and the United States ironically. Until 1975 the United States required round headlamps. That was something that was even older in technology so 'should have been more stable'. Personally I would address it by adding some sort of 'sufficiently superior to the existing standards' or serving a purpose which could not reasonably be done via the standards. Which should cover weird niche cases. "Smart-cables for easy and safe connection between sealed power sources and sealed target electronics". There would be major devils in the detail about how you define it legally.
Apple has never innovated, except in the field of outrageous marketing lies. They are not in the business of innovating, they are in the business of liberating cash from the wallets of the technically illiterate.
"This whole move could be a huge blow for one particular company: Apple." Oh no. Not Apple. They've shown such care and respect for their costumers that I can only imagine that they have purely selfless intentions in mind. My heart breaks for them
Apple has their reasons, a Lightning port is easier to clean and is more durable (The plastic bit inside the USB-C port can be bent by small keys getting inserted into the port while it’s in your pocket)
@@whycantifindanavailablehandle While the lightning cable is prone to various forms of breakage unlike some 3rd party USB-C cables, and since it is a open standard, most repair shops know how to repair the port or have replacements on hand
@@Demopans5990 have you heard of cleaning the port on your cables with a toothbrush? Quality 3rd party cables are also very durable, and as long as you take card of your cables well, they will last a long time, I have been using the cable that came with my macbook for 2 years
@@whycantifindanavailablehandle Sure it may work for you, but remember the average intelligence of Americans. Then remember that thanks to statistics, half of them are worse. Engineers don't tend to design products that only 30% of their target audience can use, as that is simply bad business sense
Funny how Apple loved the idea of making people pay for a phone and charger separately but hate this one. It's almost as if their only motif is profit 🤔
@@michellpolicarpio Thanks for stating the blatant obvious. It's a spectrum. You either care, to a degree, about all stakeholders or you don't. Apple does not.
Apple's two main arguments: 1) we don't like regulation imposed on us. This is bad. 2) we like to impose regulations on pple using our products (and charge them for the privilege). This is good...
I wondered why apple removed the headphone jack. Considering this forced headphones to comply with the lightning charger, it was literally a monopolization act.
@Sandshark 2 ---- Monopoly is a legal term, and you obviously don't understand what it means. The last actual monopoly we had in tech was Microsoft in the late 1990s. They were declared a monopoly because they had over 90% of the computer market. The were declared an illegal monopoly because they attempted to put competitive companies out of business. Apple is incredibly far from being a monopoly because they have about 20% of the smartphone market. It's perfectly legal for any company to decide which components they want on their products. The EU has bigger fish to fry than worrying about such trivial matters.
@@sandshark2 ---- It's a component, perfectly legal. Apple are the only ones that put the best processors in their devices also, the A series SoCs. Is that a "monopolization act"? Should they be forced by the EU to sell their processors to competitors? Having increased control over your market is one of the points of doing your own products. Otherwise you join a cartel of producers like the boys from Android who are too lazy assed to produce their own OS, so they share it with other OEMs getting whatever Google ships. Or you buy processors from Qualcomm that are consistently 2 years behind Apple. Hey, maybe that's why those guys hardly make any money.
@@bruxi78230 and i never said it was illegal either. Of course its legal, but something being legal or not does not prevent it from being a morally bad thing that leads to a monopolization of its market - aka the destruction of competition. Creating a unique port that is the only port for charging, headphone use, and internal access is an attempt to stifle competition in the accessories market, limiting any and all manufacturers from creating products that operate with your device unless those competitors pay a fee. The iphone is itself a market to make accessories for, and apple is one of many companies that work within that space. A unique port gates companies out of that market. Its perfectly legal because it doesnt immediately create a trust, but it is an act to take control of multiple markets from which apple is involved. Standard Oil was a monopoly because it took control of every supply chain relating to oil, not just the selling of oil. And apple, here, is taking control of the supply chain and markets it creates. Explicitly anti-competition for companies that arent itself. Plus its absolutely anti-consumer. So Apple still bad
Apple: we don’t support regulation to make everyone use the same port because it will discourage competition Also Apple: unless of course everyone’s forced to use our port, then it’s fine 👍
Also Apple: “of course our port comes with a fee”. MFi (made for iPhone) certification is not free and charge hefty amount per design, and a small cent per piece.
If they are so concerned, put both connectors on it. After all, the Apple costs over a grand! I’m sure a second port wouldn’t add too much to the bottom line?
Tbf they did suggest the US, Japan and China to implement this on their own terms, Years ago when USB-C was fasing in more and more, But they didn't, so now the EU chose to force their hand.
First the EU showed Facebook their place and now they are showing Apple their place. In all seriousness tho, it's a good and natural step to aim for 1 port or wireless for everything.
EU first and foremost started as a trade block, the ONE thing above all else they care about is ensuring Europe's medium-business-based model of economics isn't bullied by the multinationals. They may get many things wrong, but one thing you can 100% count on them for is making sure trade regulations are fair, effective and most of all, protect european interests.
@@thespanishinquisition4078 Shame they didn't show Intel their place, but still Globalisation that's done in a better way, monopolies shouldn't even be a thing on a national scale... Let alone international 😬
The fact that most devices from Apple don't use lightning anyway shows how inferior it is to usb c. they should have switched a while ago instead of keep forcing more e-waste. Also it is 100% not about the money this law is pretty old and they just updated it. Before this you needed to pay a small fee per device sold that doesn't use usb c.
This exactly! It cannot be that difficult for Apple to just change iPhones to USB-C. They’ve already done 98% of the work for iPad anyway. It would probably sell more devices than any other of the other stagnant non-upgrades they’ve done recently.
Apple will try to sell you the proprietary wall socket , house cabling and breaker switch if they could, of course only to be serviced and repaired by a Apple approved technician. With built in obsolescence because you know safety, user experience, water damage or something along those lines.
Also they're all serial locked so you can't even do your own repairs with Apple parts; your bulbs won't turn on until someone from Apple comes and syncs everything, a service that will cost almost as much as the initial purchase.
It's funny that Apple says this conformity will curb innovation because Apple hasn't lead the innovation curve in years except when it comes to anti repairability and planned obsolescence.
Dude, have you tried a Mac with an M2 processor? You have no idea what you’re saying. If that is not innovation, I don’t know what is! Tesla is just proprietary as Apple. The sad part is people don’t understand that proprietary is not a four letter word!
@@Inspadave Updates tanking your clock speeds so you'll shell out for next product, soldiering the battery to the motherboard so you can't extend its lifespan, making each component coded so any attempt to replace broken parts gets an error, Apple store charging you for a repair just shy of what it costs to buy a new replacement not because the repair costs that much but because they want you to choose the replacement option.
@@Apoc5k What do you mean obsolescence? There is a vibrant market out there for old Apple equipment. I agree that the lack of serviceability and upgradeability is a pain, but I’ve never had performance problems. I don’t have a problem with any of the things that you find so objectionable. The benefits of the software outweigh any of the negatives surrounding the hardware.
@@neeneko yes and at the same time making it too hard for consumers to get something so they need to pay more. Be more pro consumer but in the rest anti consumer to get more money.
The real bonus to having charging aligned with USB-C is that an end user can use a single cable to charge and interconnect all their devices. My monitor has USB-C so I can charge my wireless keyboard and mouse from it, also my Bluetooth headphones, plug my laptop into it and not only have an external monitor but also charge the laptop too. So now I have one cable to do all these things rather than having to go rummaging around in a draw full of cables every time something needs plugging in. USB has been a real disaster of a standard until USB-C having too many different connectors but with USB-C it seems they finally got their act together.
Not really. - wireless charging is very inefficient... - ... and therefore bad for environment if enough people do it - it's also bad for battery - you can't move files from your GoPro to phone/tablet wirelessly (at least with USB-C port you can plug in SD card reader or USB stick)
@@UltraCasualPenguin I feel like you've not been an Apple consumer for long enough yet. - Apple doesn't care about efficiency, they care about 'cool factor' - This very thing shows how Apple does not care for the environment (this law is just the latest version of a law that's 10+ years old and Apple has been paying fines for not following this law for years already) - Bad battery is good for Apple's wallet, if you think the battery is bad you hopefully buy a new device since you cant replace the battery. Do you remember/know that they were CAUGHT faking battery degradation with iOS software updates just a few years ago? you'd update your iPhone and lose part of battery, they did that on purpose to sell new iPhones/make people believe new iOS was "too demanding for my current iPhone", Apple are utter scum who dont give a sh*t about their consumers - So they would just sell you an Apple exclusive GoPro version, easy money for both parties ;) Dont get me wrong btw, i used to look up to Apple & their products, things have changed though, they went from 'exclusive' & 'quality that you pay for' to 'anti-consumer' & 'paying a premium for outdated hardware' in only a few years.
@@suicidalbanananana Well, that's the thing: I have never been. Ok, I owned 2nd gen Ipod Touch and spent way too much money in Itunes Store. When it comes to phones: I went from Motorola to Nokia for several years until I switched to Android in form of HTC Desire HD. I kept that maybe a bit too long until I switched to Galaxy S8+ followed by Note 10+ and S22 Ultra.
Yep! They are gonna do that, because the consumer's rights doesn't matter to Apple. And why I never buy their products. This whole debacle and the Right to Self Repair shows that these big tech companies has gotten WAY too big.
@@gmeister03 And without gov regulation, companies would go nuts and have their own standards, making consumers spend even more trying to find what's right for them. Without it, even the simplist bolts and nuts would have different sizes per products. Regulations are not welcomed by businesses, but the regulation on basic and/or common level is very much needed.
Probably the most important thing missed in the video: This directive does not prevent anybody from including more than one charging connector on their device. Apple's own new laptops are perfect example: able to charge over USB-C *and* MagSafe.
and as someone who has a MacBook for work, that is the way to go in my opinion. The MagSafe is stronger than a USB-c, but if I lose it or leave it at home, I am not limited.
Laptops are not covered by this Directive in the near term and we will need to wait and see what happens with MagSafe. For me it was a great innovation back in the day but having USB C on MacBooks for the last 5 plus years I'm not convinced that MagSafe has tremendous value these days.
@@yuvalne Choices are always good if you are a consumer. Unfortunatley, the trend with smartphone seems to be to give people less choice. They've already removed the headphone jack and I fear companies might take this is a cue to switch to entirely wireless designs.
@@20quid ------ Going to wireless audio has proven to be massively popular with consumers. Did you not notice that? Who wants a fricken headphone jack which is old tech from mid 20th century? By the way, these phones are essentially wireless products, did you want to plug it in to the wall to make a telephone call?
@@bruxi78230 I prefer the headphone jack. Wireless shit needs to be charged, and is quite uncomfortable to use imo. I don't like wireless headphones. I prefer my headphone jack.
Apple: We've removed every port on our laptops except USB-C. And the audio jack. You can use the USB-C cables for charging, but you need to buy an adapter for anything else. Also Apple: We've removed the audio jack from our phones, and refuse to implement USB-C.
@@HipposHateWater Who said anything about Ultrabooks? Apple making laptops that are 100% USB-C and forcing the use of dongles for common accessories is a design flaw. The same holds true for any other manufacturer making the same decision. A few years down the line, perhaps all common accessories will be USB-C and this will be a non-issue. As of now, I still want easy access to USB-sticks, SD cards, printers, scanners, monitors, external hard drives etc. without being forced to have an adapter.
@@plentyofpaper an adapter would still be needed down the line unless you are happy to throw away otherwise perfectly usable external drives and usb sticks.
@@emryspaperart Sure, but that's nothing new. Old monitor with only a VGA video port? Want to watch an old DVD? Get access to a floppy disk drive? All of these are things that were standard features for computers years ago, but require non-standard hardware now. It's inevitable to happen eventually. But we're still definitely in a transition period. USB-C memory sticks, monitors, printers, scanners etc. just aren't what most people have yet.
Honestly the EU is probably the best political entity to deal with these sorts of things. In my opinion, they should also start regulation against planned obsolescence in tech. I'd love to see regulation forcing that for a period of at least 5 years, there should be software updates, batteries replaceable by the consumer, and maybe give tax advantages to more repairable devices. The innovation tech needs these days is making devices last longer, not marginal gains on speeds, image qualities, etc.
Speaking of that, someone needs to SUE APPLE for making charging cords that disintegrate after about 3 months. It's like they are designed to break so you have to buy a new one at least once per year.
@@camillo9213 in aus, there isnt even a minimum time. devices are supposed to last as long as theyre "reasonably expected" to last. if you buy a TV for example and it fails after 3 years, you can take the company to court if you can argue that you expected the tv to last for 5 years, and youll probably win. both nintendo and valve had to start offering refunds on their online stores because someone complained to the ACCC, and right now, the ACCC is in the process of suing AirBnB because they listed prices in USD for australian users, resulting in much higher prices than expected as well as currency conversion fees. we actually care about consumers here. (they drive the economy.)
"waterproofing devices" is just code for "make devices die reliably, shortly after the warranty expires" by making batteries only last so long before they need replacing, this is why I HATE waterproofing of phones, I WANT to be able to easily replace my battery!
You should start taking care of battery instead by never allowing charge to drop below 30% and only charge up to 85% (activate "protect battery" feature).
@@UltraCasualPenguin if that's the case then why is the 0% and 100% indicators on batteries, stop charging and turn off at those points? it sounds like manufacturers WANT batteries to fail faster
@@feldegast You can stop charging at 85%. Enable "protect battery" option in settings. If you have Android: Settings -> Device maintenance -> Battery -> go to bottom, there should be something like additional options -> Protect battery at bottom, enable it. You can also start charging around 30%. Why never charge to 100%? Because closer to full it gets more difficult it gets to get last bits of energy into battery. This is done by increasing amount of energy which is then forced to battery which, you guessed it, isn't good for battery.
@@UltraCasualPenguin never seen that option before,... had Android phones for over 14 years...I'll have a look but it is still dishonest of manufacturers
In all the time I've been using USB cables, I have never had a single one break. My friends who use Apple seem to burn through cables constantly breaking and then pay more for the replacements than I do for USB cables. As well as a royalties, Apple just want to monopolise the market and charge extortionate prices for their equipment that appears to be designed to break.
I had plenty of USB cables and chargers break / burn out. Biggest issue is when the USB sockets break. Sometimes you could fix it with a screwdriver, sometimes you'd have to send the phone in. Never had that issue with apple mobile devices (ipad 2, various ipods, now iphone).
I know this is not the point but that's the first time I have seen the adjective form of the word 'extortion'. Its quite a useful word which I would probably use a lot in the future so thank you.
My experience with lighting connectors is that they stop staying attached to their ports after a while. There's just not enough holding them there, they have a loose connection, start charging poorly, and fall out. Usb just works better from my experience.
So my toothbrush, shaver, camera etc. will all have USB-C charging ports? That's fantastic. I hope by the way that the build quality of charging cables will also become more durable. USB-C is already mechanically superior, holding better in the plug than micro-USB, and also allowing twice the amperage, hence faster charging. Technology marches on so this decision will inevitably be revisited in a few years.
@@uncinarynin great, so when the lobbyists and lawyers sign off on it, we can get the next upgrade. Not organically as adoption becomes mandatory to keep up with competition.
Oh, what's that, at a friend's house and you desperately need to charge something? Of course they don't have the same charger. That would make too much sense.
I'd like to extend the USB-C charging capability to other wireless items. Pretty much anything that is wireless and can be charged at USB-C rates, make them integrate the USB-C charging capability
These types of Directives were one of the major reasons I believed the UK should have remained part of the EU. Now the UK needs to independently decide on these things and hence employ people to perform the necessary evaluations. I'm just waiting for us to increase our mains voltage back up to 240V and no longer follow the European norm!
@@stephenwabaxter Currently there is news that UK does not want to follow this regulation from Brussels, each manufacturer may do what they want. LOL, I think the British government overestimates its influence tremendously. Of course, no manufacturer will abandon USB C especially for the British market. It seems to be manic in Westminster by now to condemn everything that comes from Brussels! The EU is a real peace project for the understanding of the European peoples, it has brought us so many freedoms, you can use your cell phone in other EU countries as you would at home, freedom to travel, common currency, to name but a few things. It is a great pity that the UK is no longer part of this project, but unfortunately too many people in your country fell for the lies of Johnson, Farage and their cronies.
I think it's a step in the right direction of finally regulating unsavory practices of tech giants and opens the door for even more substantial reforms in the future. Really happy that the EU has done this.
I am sorry, but I don't think that the company that tried to sell a monitor stand for the price of 999$ is actually doing this for the sake of the consumer. In my opinion the part where they were resisting this change out of pure greed and self-interest is solid enough reason to justify their actions, no matter how little the actual revenue stream would be compared to the rest of the things they do.
I never expected Tech Alter to give that excuse. * The number one reason is money and control Apple has always had on their consumers and what they're allowed to get or do with their device. It's just like how Apple is refusing to replace the old SMS standard with the new secure and better RCS standard. Cos they hate the fact that if they do teens will no longer bully their friends for not having an iPhone to join group chats in the US.
@Steven Strain RCS is not a Google thing but a GSMA standard like SMS. Educate yourself before you reply. Also what's the point in telling people they're "Android fans"? I use both mobile operating systems daily and i would love it if my iPhone used the secure RCS standard instead of SMS which can be easily exploited.
@Steven Strain And yes, many researches on Green bubbles vs Blue bubbles have revealed that Apple is deliberately using iMessage in the US to make teens discriminate against their friends in school group chats especially just to force them to get an iPhone in order to join group chats. GSMA solved that by making RCS protocol have every major benefit of iMessage making people join group chats, share large files, react, get typing notifiers and more importantly, End-to-End encryption. So Apple is reluctant to replace SMS with RCS because they know there'd be less people in the US bullying others to get an iPhone because of messaging if they do.
@Bryan Apple has a huge advantage in the market. By trying to lock people into their hardware eco-system, it is destroying competition and is raising prices for everyone, as they have to buy Apple exclusive headphones/chargers/connectors, etcetera.
@Bryan A new connector needs to be compatible with all devices. One company should not get to monopolize the market like that. It's about preserving a free market, competition, and innovation.
@@honzasrnka4796 'Innovation' lol. you've sucked up their bullshit propaganda. It isn't in the slightest about innovation, it's about them trying to rip consumers off.
I also still use Devices with Micro USB as charging port And if Apple is unhappy with that. They Signet a contract for standartisation the ports over a decade ago amd is the only Player from that contract who conplitly ignored it an developed their one thing that is incompatible with everything else
I could definitely see apple “sticking” it to everyone and making a new wireless charger that’s “superior” to a lot of of chargers, but is completely proprietary to apple only….
You think too much of apple. They innovate very little. Just like Elon musk. Many ideas, some good most terrible, backed by cash and corruption. (Apple wouldn't be anywhere if they had the ability to disable the microphones and cameras (able to record and transmit while powered off since about iPhone4), non removable batteries and an alternative to microphones in lamposts (Gordon brown, UK MP circa y2k). Also the year Google stopped pretending to be a privacy giant and admitted being an advertising monopoly.
The USB-C is OBJECTIVELY better than lightning cable, higher power carrying ability and higher data transfer speed (10Gbps vs 0.48Gbps, yes it's over 20x higher) Apple only stays with it because of $$$, they can honestly suck it and wipe their tears with all the money they have already got
Also TechAltar response make no sense: 1. "They cannot control what device gives power to their phone". Apple cannot it even now. There are countries with 110V and other with 220V, 50 Hz or 60 Hz, reliable supply or waning providers. If the charger, by law, have to follow a certain standard, as the Eu wants, there will be less problems for device manufacturer, not more. 2. "They cannot control what accessories are made for iPhone". The laws only requires USB3 for charging. All other accessories could be selected by the producer and it can refuse to enable them. They can even add a second port with any new protocol they like.
Usb-C is a whole bunch of confusing standards. You never know what each device will actually support from those great theoretical specs. The main issue I have with usb C is the fragile design of the port. The fragility is on de device side, which runs the risk of breaking the device because of a damaged port. How’s that for e-waste? The Lightning connector is way more robust, even though the actual cables seem to break at one point. But I rather replace a few € cable than a 1k€ device…
This is great as technology is supposed to take us to bigger and greater things, and having the same cable for everything is a step in the right direction. Sure it might cause some problems in the future if they find a better cable for some reason and they need to transition every device from USB-C to a new cable, but qualify of life for everyone should be the priority over financial gain for companies because they want to make extra money selling their unique charger.
To state the obvious any change is change, from a standard USB C or from dozens of proprietary connectors. At least if we come from USB C to something better there will be only one adaptor necessary instead of dozens.
A fully compliant USB-C port has an internal routine to check the quality of the cable; ie if the cable can hold 5 Amps continuously. Otherwise the power supply switches to 1 Amp charging, to avoid melting the cable and the port.
I would like to point out that the USB-C head is meant to be "future-proof," meaning it will be the same form factor for the considerable future. Then again, this is coming from the same people who insist on USB 3.0 = USB 3.1 Gen 1 = USB 3.2 Gen 1.
This rule has existed for a long time and it first was for the usb micro and usb b micro. They updated the rule to usb c around 2014 since then Apple has been paying a fine. Now 10 years later the rule will be updated again making s statement that paying a fine is just not good enough anymore. They will for sure update it once there is a better alternative it will take a while tho.
I like having a ability to charge via wire. I feel like wireless only devices for charging is going to be a bad idea, since if your phone's wireless charging breaks. Your phone is done for (and for someone like apple who charges a arm and a leg for their products, this would be insane repair cost).
In a similar move nearly 20 years ago, the EU forced Cellphone Manufacturers to make USB chargers standard. Before that, you basically had a unique charger for every Cellphone, and the charger became useless once you got a new phone.
@@Alfonso88279 No need to convince them. Eu made it LAW. It would hurt apple reputation to have the slowest USB C flagship on the market. So they better step up or move to portless
So, apple has been changing to USB-C in some of their devices. While I definitely like everything using USB-C, apple has so many items all tied to that connector, that it wasn't going to be easy for them to completely change to it for everything. Apple was migrating to C but it wasn't a full company/cultural shift. Honestly, I have so many apple connectors from other devices that I was kind of glad that they kept the old connector because I have a bunch of those cables already. That said, moving to USB-C is better for everything in the long run.
The promise of USB-C is to be a truly universal way to connect devices, not just for charging, but also replace display interfaces like HDMI and DisplayPort. There is a fragmentation within the industry among products that use USB-C connector to charge devices. Although the USB-C is known by it connector, the spec gives manufacturers a lot of liberty when it comes to how to wire stuff up in the cable. That makes some charging cables for one phone incompatible or even dangerous when used with devices from another manufacturer. I hope that the will solve this.
I will skip the obligatory xkcd on universal standards.. but USB has been trying to be the 'universal standard for everything' for decades now, and I think we are starting to hit the 'every problem looks like a nail when all you have is a hammer' stage.
USB C is an absolutely incredible standard with all its capabilities for power and data. The standards organisation should in theory be able to ensure interoperability between manufacturers if everyone follows the rules.
@@stephenwabaxter eh, it is a bit of a mixed bag. there has long been a dream of using one cable.. one bus, one protocol, one interface for all things.. but it means it isn't really all that good at any of them and tries to hide it through brute force transfer rates. It also means more and more complex hardware/firmware is required to handle all those divergent capabilities via a single piece of generalized hardware. USB-C is convenient, which significant, but that comes at a cost of, well, everything else.
@@InvictusMartin Oh man, I wish knew that, if I did I would just kept using the one lightning cable that no longer charged anything and wouldn't have to buy three more in a span of three years because apparently my real experience using them is irrelevant to whatever prefabricated tests are saying.
@@Whipko So basically you're saying your sample size of 3 or 4 cables is enough to make a blanket statement that applies to hundreds of millions of cables. I've never had an Apple-branded cable fail. I have an 8-year-old Lightning cable that I sometimes still use to connect my iPhone to a power strip with USB-A. The only time my iPhone failed to charge, I quickly discovered it was due to lint in the Lightning port. However, I'm probably more careful than most about avoiding strain, kinks, etc.
USB changes their plugs very, very often. They also struggle with compatibility. For example, my Nintendo Switch (USB C) could not charge my BlackBerry Android phone. It disconnects after a second. Fast charging also often doesn't work, depending on cabling, adapters used, charger / battery pack used and phone used. Sometimes it's random, so plugin/unplugging helps. I'm not a fan of proprietary technology, but apple plugs historically worked quite well. From my ipod classic over the magsafe of previous MacBooks to the lightning connector.
@@125pheonix With laptops that already charge via USB C, all ports generally support power delivery. If they dont, USB PD is not a dumb protocol, it doesnt just drop 50W into your USB port without communicating first.
@@julianrobin9390 you run with that, USB-C is not a fixed standard yet, but you go with trusting manufacturers to child proof your tech. USB-C is not a good PD system for anything over 2.0A at 5v. Preference to not chance a hiccup
Without some breakthrough in the technology a future with wireless charging as the sole option doesn't seem very environmentally friendly: Wireless charging is awfully inefficient compared to cables, especially for small devices like phones. And it's not just bad for the environment, lower efficiency also means slower charging and/or more waste heat (potentially reducing battery lifespan).
The last few years has also seen many standard appliances now using USB chargers and cables instead of typical wall plugs. The uniformization of USB and usb-c cables in Europe means with one USB charger and cable i now can use my desk lamp, tablet ,phone, electric shaver, fan, mini speaker, camera and countless other things without the octopus of tangled cords and chargers i used to need. Makes travel a dream! And camping with a small solar device i can still connect to me essential devices!
Good! One port type just makes sense. It will cut down on e-waste, you can find a cable/ charger anywhere and their claim about innovation only works as long as you actually innovate.. Lightning has been around for quite some time.. And they have used USB-C on other things already.
The problem I see with wireless charging in heat. From what I've heard from friends who use wireless charging, they're devices get quite warm when charging wirelessly. Heat ruins Lithium batteries so until they figure out how to keep the batteries cool while charging, I hope Apple just goes with USB-C.
The EU has many Directives (eg WEEE, RoHS, Battery ) and this is just another one that manufacturers will need to comply with. Environmental Issues are moving up the Political Agenda and we are likely to see more Directives in the future which will drive technological change.
I run a repair shop. the most common charge port issue I see with iPhone is that the end of the lightning cable broke off in the port. so I end up fishing out what looks like a fat staple. everytime I see it happen, the customer says it was the cable that came with the iPhone that broke off. lightning always has been a wear design that leads to failures.
I've never been a fan of big government. But enactment and enforcement of standardization in mass produced products is one of the few areas that I think government can improve things consumers dramatically. This move to a standardized port won't limit innovation in the slightest. If a better port is developed, multi port devices are nothing new. My guess is that once a dominant non-proprietary wireless charging standard emerges that the EU will pass similar legislation to require compatibility with that too. Now if only they could require use of standardized consumables (air filters, oil filters, etc.) in vehicles.
Don't forget that wireless charging still requires a charger with a wire, all it solves is the connector debate. and the EU also wants to reduce e-waste or in this case, any sort of wire, so the wireless charging is not the end at be all. I even expect that the wireless charging cables will ultimately also go trough a period of unregulated innovation, and than (forced) standardization just like usb is now.
@@MDP1702 yes exactly, and thus still needing copper/aluminum, and other electrical components along with the extra components for the charging point, adding to the e-waste pile. and expect each wireless charging device to first only be useful for a specific appliance, just like the usb cycle has gone trough.
The biggest problem with wireless charging is its efficiency. Wired cable has an efficiency of over 95% whereas wireless has an efficiency of as low as 47%. Imo wireless charging should be banned until its efficiency reaches the levels of wired charging. Its just plain wasteful.
*I can already see Tim Cook saying to abandon the charging port as it taking too space in the the phone and etc and start pushing towards wireless charging...*
I've been using 15w wireless charging with my now 3 year old Huawei Mate P20 pro for years. It takes a little longer than wired charging but it is not that bad at 15w. If I really need to charge quickly i plug in the 40W usb-C charger that came with it. Takes it from 0% to 70% in less than 30 mins. Or in more practical terms - if you are at 40-50% - it would reach full in less than 30 mins. One of the reasons I have not changed it out yet - it is a phone that really holds up well. Battery is still fantastic on it.
@@EvileDik Yes it does generate some heat. That heat is wasted energy. However it seems to be less than 50%. If it actually put 7.5W into the charger at all times it would get very hot. I hope you are aware that the only way to "piss" energy "into the wind" is through heat (at least in any meaningful way).
@@jarls5890 Incorrect, I'm not going to go into induction theory* in the comments section but there are much larger losses that have nothing to do with heat. I don't do it professionaly, but I built several Wireless powered devices and had to do the maths to make sure they work. *I'm sure you'd be willing to simulate the flux density distribution in space with Maxwell equations and estimate the losses by integrating the results. I can recommend 'Analysis of Operation and System Losses of an Inductive Power Transfer System for Wireless Charging of Electric Vehicles' if you wish to educate yourself.
@@EvileDik Nope. If you read page 70 and onwards in the very thesis you refer to - you will see losses in MANY parts of electronics. However - ALL loss essentially end up as heat - heating up the charging device or the device being charged. The only other possible ways you can lose energy is through radio emission (EM emissions) and magnetic fields. However - the magnetic field being waved about costs/wastes nothing unless it interacts with something. And that interaction would be ...the phone being charged. If EM emission was a big loss - every wireless phone charger would be a essentially a very noisy radio station interfering everything around it - and would have been banned pronto. THUS - we are left with heat. Unless you have some other idea of transferring (wasting) power to the environment? Energy cannot disappear into "nothing". It must take a form. And you do not have that much to chose from. Do not have to be complex - just give me a hint about where the energy goes and in what form.
Not only these charging sockets. There will be a day, when the EU also forces the Americans to use metric system. When I first went to America, a proud American told me: “Welcome to America. We use inches and feet.” Meanwhile she was talking to an Englishman...
Americans already use the Metric system. About half the stuff we use nowadays is measured in Metric, and all English units are officially defined according to Metric units anyway. Since you're an Englishman, I'm going to remind you that Brexiteers were celebrating the opportunity to return to using English units of measurement once they got out from under the boot-heel of the EU. It's utterly absurd to celebrate such a thing, but y'all were celebrating it anyway.
@@deusexaethera While she was saying that(she believed that the US invented such a measurement system), I was thinking didn’t we invent Imperial measurement? BTW, that motion to move back to Imperial is almost certainly a stunt Boris pulls to get the attention away from the scandals.
That would be glorious! :D But I think it would be so far into the future, though. CMIIW, but one of the reason the US still haven't switched to Metric is do to the fact that Americans are already well acquaintanced with Imperial. I know that people in the UK also uses Imperial, and even in Canada too..... But then again, changing people to exclusively use Metric or exclusively use Imperial is hard. Maybe, in the long term, changes through education will be possible :)
@@mab9614 Yeah it's a fucking joke. I don't wanna switch back to imperial. In fact, I want to refer to kilometres as miles so I don't have to change the way I speak but still be able to do metric math on them.
My iPad has a lightning port, but the cable has a USB-c plug on one end and the brick has the port. This is to allow faster charging. It should be noted that USB-c is bigger than lightning and would mean bigger iPhones and iPads, meaning less can be shipped together not good for the environment.
How? I'm happily charging my iphone on my samsung wireless charger :P The only cable I moved was the lighting cable to the garbage -- where it belongs..
@@bebelin157 well, yes. I do. That's what induction charging is. But to be more transparent, yes I am using a cable but it's a USBC... That's the whole point, right? If everything user USBC, you don't have a need for proprietary connectors like the lightning. You don't have apple charging 30 bucks for something you can only use on their product.
I feel people may fight back on turning solely to wireless charging. There are still some issues, like a wireless charger I got doesn’t work when I have my phone case on. If wireless charging becomes universal, our cases will need to have a maximum thickness as to not interfere with charging. I also feel the step of plugging something in helps the consumer confirm a device is charging. In my mind it’s more likely that when I set a phone on a charging pad it might not work, well it would be more likely for a device to definitely be charging if I plug it in, regardless of if this idea is at all true. Perhaps customizability in terms of charging signals may help, like being able to have your screen colors invert when on a charging pad. Finally, if we get rid of cords, how can I use my phone in bed when it’s almost dead. A wireless charging pad forces the user to set down the device to charge. Well this probably would help healthy habits in regards to setting devices down, it would still be an inconvenience to many. Maybe we could have a cheap phone case that can be plugged in that then charges the phone, si the actual phone can be more water proof well still being able to charge via cord. Kinda went on a tangent but those are my thoughts on the topic.
It Is also really wastefull on a eletromagnetic point of view. Wireless connectors loss a lot of Energy between the wire-to-electrogamnetic wave and viceversa process I'm not totally sure about the numbers, but It should be as much as 50% as wastefull.
Wireless charging does work with cases that support it. No they dont have a thickness limit (well none that would limit case design unless you want to carry around an inch thick lead case) they can pass current through the case in the same ways that they currently do. There are multiple ways to tell if a device is charging and plugging a cable in is not one of them. What if the other end of the cable isn't plugged in? What if the contacts are dirty or the cable is faulty? The only ways to know are completely unchanged in either method. Magsafe charging which is apples wireless charging, isn't actually wireless. It is a magnetically attached charging mechanism. One I am not advocating for. I hate the removal of wires. Wires are not a compromise to wireless they are still much, much more competent at transferring data and electricity.
I find it funny that people are protecting the lighting connector although it is ancient tech and doesn't even fit Apple's iPhone marketing of the devices being great video recorders: - Lighting can transfer 0.48Gb/s (USB2.0), deliver 12W of power, and quite incredibly analogue audio by hacking in a DAC into the cable connector itself. In contrast.... - USB-C can (currently) transfer 40Gb/s (~100x more), deliver up to 240W worth of power (20x more), display 4K120fps (DisplayPort 2.0), digital audio, network, even PCI-e passthrough. Sure, not all cables are certified for this, but the connector can handle and these functions are available to hardware manufacturers. The biggest issues for consumers is navigating what cables can handle what, and also what kind of functions a product's USB-C port provides. (laptop manufacturers are incredibly bad at declaring this, even in the manual, or when asking the support)
@@bazzfromthebackground3696 I have found several apple fanboys protecting the lighting connector on tech sites. They primarily defend it by saying that USB-C connector breaks more easily than the lighting connector (according to them, but there's no solid data proving this) meanwhile repair technicians tell them that usually USB-C problems usually has to do with dust build-up (which is easy to clean) and that apple's simpler connector design avoids some of this. But yeah, it's pure nonsense and idiocy. :)
@@bazzfromthebackground3696 You can find many Apple fanboy channels saying that. Now they're pissed about having to switch to USB-C cables with Iphone 15 or even earlier.
Excellent news! We need more policymakers fighting big corporations and thinking about the majority of their constituents instead of just the biggest economic contributors. Apple's argument is completely baseless and selfish.
Holy crap, standardized laptop charging? I don't think people understand how much bigger of a deal that is, I have shelves of different variants of chargers, wires and ports just for laptop chargers. Replacing literal shelves of charger variants with just 1 is huge.
It will take some time since as it was said some laptops require hundreds of watts more than the 240 watts that recently introduced in the latest USB PD revision.
@@eliadbu The only laptops that require that many watts are gaming laptops which are a small minority of current laptops. The vast majority are sub 100 watts, there's no reason laptop manufacturers couldn't start switching those models over to USB-C whilst waiting for the next USB standard to allow for gaming laptops.
@@acorgiwithacrown467 also workstation laptops. But these laptops are still significant portion of total laptops sold. I think that most low power laptops already switched, those that didn't most likely did not do it for budget concerns.
I'm really glad about this, not having to change charging cables etc, plus I find the usbC more stable, with the lighting cable being more prone to breaking
I was put off Apple's stuff back in school when the choice for graphical OS was MacOS at school vs Windows 3.1 at home. Using MacOS, I felt like I was being treated like a little kid, while Windows and DOS respected my intelligence. Yes, I spent far more time on DOS playing games than I did in Windows doing school work, but who didn't at that age?
Been using Apple projects my whole life and it's been such a pain to deal with their 'innovative' approach to their chargers and cables. My new desktop is completely incompatible with so many tech accessories I own, and their own website struggles to provide recommendations for adapters. Most people can't identify the different cables, leading to even more waste when they buy the wrong ones.
This is a major game changer. Having usb c on my iPhone will make it significantly easier to charge - it’s brutally difficult at the moment. When traveling, the lightning charger takes up a substantial amount of room in my bag and the weight is burdensome. Usb c solves these intense problems and increases endurance by reducing my workload. Also, I’ll save money by buying new usb c cables instead of reusing the cables I currently own. Thank you government for solving all my problems!!
I think its great, the fact that if you ever want to connect a non apple device to the laptop, you have to use an extra adapter and you have a mass of cables dangling from it is not very convenient, I am all for this!
One thing you didn't mention was that this regulations also regulates the charging bricks so that all fast charging bricks will be compatible with all devices
Well, BBK & Mi all have proprietary charging bricks ending with USB-C, I doubt they would be forced to stop developing Warp Charging and HyperCharging...
@@Seatux The regulation specifically mentiones that fast charging can no longer me proprietary so that means that every fast charging brick must be able compatible with every device that supports fast charging. They can develop whatever fast charging they want as long as fast charging works with every other device
Apple could even keep the Lightning Port, and then just use software to disable the capability for their products to be charged via the Port for products sold in the EU. After all, the Regulation says -Chargable- via a wired port; not -possesses- a Wired Port. Or they could both have a USB-C and a Lightning Port: The USB-C can -only- charge, and all other functions use the Lightning Port. If they wanted to be -petty-.
@@10Tabris01 No they wouldn't. Companies have skirted around the law exactly like this for centuries and have very rarely paid for it. You cant write a infallible law, and companies are ready too hire armies of lawyers if it means they can do what they want.
Around 3:20 I got an actual ad about nebula and it's from the same channel as I'm watching this video. When it happened I didn't notice until seeing the ad icon in the corner lol
Nice to see nations saying "no" to these mega-corporations. I want more of it.
The Nations, EU and the NGOs that control them are conrolled by hundreds of large corporations
@Dragon200g Americans are too much brainwashed by these corporations. I say good for them, europeans have other plans
Yeah the EU is really starting to use its power to promote European needs and demands
eu is nothing compared to asia. so asia should do the same but unfortunately that wont happen.
@@endor8witch I think Asia should do it too. Like an Asian union or so.
I can absolutely see Apple just getting rid of the charging port and forcing you to buy a wireless charger, then just branding it as "revolutionary"
They for sure gunna do this 😂
Don't give them any ideas
I would definitely bank on that happening
Also I could totally see them charging us $100 for the wireless megsafe charger
"A wireless charger"
- is a pad on a table
- still requires your phone to be in very specific spot
- phone not usable when charging
- horribly inefficient
sounds to me like much worse cable ngl
Its really funny that Apple says that it would freeze innovation while they haven't changed their charging/data port for the last 10 years lol.
I like Apple products but having USB 2.0 speeds in a flagship phone in 2022 is just laughable.
I also really like apple stuff. But their proprietary chargers are soo damn annoying! They're soo expensive if you buy from apple, third party ones are usually crap, and if you're out somewhere and you lose your charger or it breaks hunting around for a lighting cable is a chore, while every little corner shop has micro USBs. And like you say they're not even good at what they do at the best of times!
Apple really likes to promote it’s iphones as video production devices, but slow file transfer completely kills it’s potential
@@mra388 Airdrop can transfer files with multiple Gigabites in mere seconds. No need for a cable. People with phones don't use cables but airdrop.
What kind of troglodyte even uses the connector on an iphone for anything other than charging (or would need usbc speeds most of the time)?
You are assuming they will even update it to usb 3 in the process, usb c can support usb2 with fewer pins and the same interface. They may just do that ... however what is more likely is that they will probably just remove it all together and rely on wireless charging. So great. Now not more wired headphones, thanks guys.
They were also very late in switching to USB3 on their Mac computers in the first place. They only did it in 2012.
I think this is a fantastic choice for accessibility reasons as well. When you are visually impaired it can be really hard to plug in your devices. The C is the easiest one to plug in and out if you can't see the cord or the port.
No, the C isn’t the easiest. Obviously you never tried the lightning. The C sucks because 50% of the times you get it wrong and have to turn it round. Or you have to investigate which is the right turn before you can plug it in. Never so with the lightning. An overall standard is a good thing, but why take the worse of the two?
@@HarryGuitUSB-C doesn't have sides anymore. From your false information I can gather you never touched a USB-C Cable in your live. And as someone who is severe visually impaired, I can tell you from experience USB-C is way easier to plug in than Lighting, because A. It has no right or wrong side and B. The plug itself is a bit thicker and easier to grip than a lighting plug
@Neko Kuro I don't think I've ever had to angle my type C charger, it just... goes in
@@HarryGuit Sounds like you never used USB-C loool. Type-C is reversible, much faster and can carry much more power than Lightning. Which is the entire reason APPLE THEMSELVES use Type C on MacBooks and iPads. Lightning isn't gonna get adopted cuz its a proprietary standard compared to the open USB-C Spec.
This is an amazing change, no more searching for the right charger and no more having to ask for chargers from people
Somehow i think apple will come with a solution that only apple's chargers would work. With some kind of chip in the charger or something...
Bruh, why don't you bring your own charger and cable? People should stop being like that.
no
They just make the accu not compatible with other adapters :(
@@salemas5 no that would be against the new regulation.
I'm sure the EU will have that covered in the legislation.
7:06 I really hope the future of mobile devices is NOT wireless. Wireless power is so inefficient, less than half of the power consumed by the base actually goes into the phone. This means higher bills for individuals and on a global scale a huge waste of energy which is something we can't really afford nowadays.
Hear hear. I actually do use the usb-c port on my phone for data as well on occasion. You can use a hub with your phone and use a keyboard or a flash drive with ease.
Good chance it goes the way of the headphone jack.
'xactly!!!!!
also, the current wireless chargers, those where you put your phone ontop of them, are useless if you still want to use your phone while it's charching
@Vinícius Felipe Posselt sorry but your statements are mostly false. It is not about the wattage (power) but about the energy consumed. A wireless charger creates an EM field picked up by the phone secondary winding, as this "transformer" uses air as the core lots of radiation is just dispersed in the environment. Overcharging and waste of energy are not a thing, phone have a charger built in and batteries have overcharge and discharge protection. When the phone is fully charged no more current is drawn from the cable. Yes plugged in bricks du use some energy but it's in the range of mWh, wireless chargers meanwhile are also always plugged in but in addition they send frequently bursts of energy to detect if a phone is in range and this wastes much more.
Just do some research on wireless chargers efficiency and you will find lots of papers or articles explaining this in more detail.
It’s particularly weird how much Apple is against USB-C, considering how much of a song and dance they made about how they *developed* it, and were the first manufacturer to adopt it in their iPads and Laptops because of its superiority over lightning ports.
Like you threw a bunch of money into getting it made and wanted it to become an industry standard, and now you’re getting mad that people want to make it the industry standard for mobile devices?
It's cause they can't charge you extra money to buy some specialty charger now
Well, partly because Lightning was developed specifically to replace the old 30-pin connector, it solved a number of specific problems for Apple and the iPhone at the time.
It’s small, you won’t snap it off in the device easily, it can be plugged in either orientation, and it’s microprocessor controlled which prevents it from blowing up your iPhone and melting your face off.
The licensing cost goes to cover that microprocessor in each cable which protects the specification for the standard and avoids said face melting (which, if you remember the horror stories, were a problem with the cheap Chinese 30-pin cables people were using on old iPhones which had no protection in them).
When Apple went through that change from 30-pin to Lightning, I don’t think they were expecting to have to go through it again soon. It made millions of accessories obsolete overnight and was a huge cost and pain for customers.
I think they implemented USB-C first in larger devices because it made sense. But it wasn’t necessary for the iPhone where it will be a pain again for customers.
As an iPhone customer with plenty of Lightning cables, I wouldn’t want it changed for my iPhone. But bring it on to replace that shit micro-USB on everything else. That sucks ass!
Huge costs for customers but another massive sale of new bits for Apple...
I'm unsure if they really are against USB-C. The Macbook Pro I'm using at the moment has four USB-C sockets. One is connected to a charger at the moment. Lighting was better than Micro USB plugs but this has been resolved with USB-C plugs.
Apple can cry on their pile of money, fuck them
The EU is making a lot of really cool moves lately against greedy corporations. I hope to see more of it.
Yeah. I especially hope to see them do something about the “stick Drift” situation because I recently found out from VCuda that corporations not shockingly created stick drift for there new products to place a faster planned obsolescence on their devices.
@@dontatmebro- planned obsolescence should be illegal, It is a waste of resources.
EXACTLY!
so you think all parts som all tech should fit with its competitors
@@dwbworld obviously there would be some exceptions, but especially in this case where the only motivation for making your product different is greed, then yes. Imagine how much faster the human race could advance if we started working with each other instead of against.
"Freeze innovation"
Says the company using a dated charging system with speeds on par with USB 2.0 from a decade ago.
translation: we were planning to replace our trash charging port with a fancy new proprietary one we could use to sell new accessories and adaptors that cost an exorbitant amount
Apple has become a dongle company. Innovation died mostly with Steve Jobs.
I don't think Apple is making the argument in good faith for this context but there may. It could cause issues when things actually advance. The reverse already occurred in the past between Europe and the United States ironically. Until 1975 the United States required round headlamps. That was something that was even older in technology so 'should have been more stable'.
Personally I would address it by adding some sort of 'sufficiently superior to the existing standards' or serving a purpose which could not reasonably be done via the standards. Which should cover weird niche cases. "Smart-cables for easy and safe connection between sealed power sources and sealed target electronics". There would be major devils in the detail about how you define it legally.
lol apple "innovation" just mean stuff we can control and were our user have to buy it form us with extra cost
Apple has never innovated, except in the field of outrageous marketing lies. They are not in the business of innovating, they are in the business of liberating cash from the wallets of the technically illiterate.
"This whole move could be a huge blow for one particular company: Apple."
Oh no. Not Apple. They've shown such care and respect for their costumers that I can only imagine that they have purely selfless intentions in mind. My heart breaks for them
Apple has their reasons, a Lightning port is easier to clean and is more durable (The plastic bit inside the USB-C port can be bent by small keys getting inserted into the port while it’s in your pocket)
@@whycantifindanavailablehandle
While the lightning cable is prone to various forms of breakage unlike some 3rd party USB-C cables, and since it is a open standard, most repair shops know how to repair the port or have replacements on hand
@@Demopans5990 have you heard of cleaning the port on your cables with a toothbrush? Quality 3rd party cables are also very durable, and as long as you take card of your cables well, they will last a long time, I have been using the cable that came with my macbook for 2 years
@@whycantifindanavailablehandle
Sure it may work for you, but remember the average intelligence of Americans. Then remember that thanks to statistics, half of them are worse. Engineers don't tend to design products that only 30% of their target audience can use, as that is simply bad business sense
@@Demopans5990 I’m not american
Funny how Apple loved the idea of making people pay for a phone and charger separately but hate this one. It's almost as if their only motif is profit 🤔
Exactly!! Got em right in the nuts!!
🤣
It’s a prívate company, not a non Governmental Organization ;-;
@@michellpolicarpio Thanks for stating the blatant obvious. It's a spectrum. You either care, to a degree, about all stakeholders or you don't. Apple does not.
Apple's two main arguments:
1) we don't like regulation imposed on us. This is bad.
2) we like to impose regulations on pple using our products (and charge them for the privilege). This is good...
I wondered why apple removed the headphone jack. Considering this forced headphones to comply with the lightning charger, it was literally a monopolization act.
@Sandshark 2 ---- Monopoly is a legal term, and you obviously don't understand what it means. The last actual monopoly we had in tech was Microsoft in the late 1990s. They were declared a monopoly because they had over 90% of the computer market. The were declared an illegal monopoly because they attempted to put competitive companies out of business. Apple is incredibly far from being a monopoly because they have about 20% of the smartphone market.
It's perfectly legal for any company to decide which components they want on their products. The EU has bigger fish to fry than worrying about such trivial matters.
@@bruxi78230 good thing i didnt call Apple a monopoly.
I said it was a monopolization act, aka, an act purely to increase control over a market.
@@sandshark2 ---- It's a component, perfectly legal. Apple are the only ones that put the best processors in their devices also, the A series SoCs. Is that a "monopolization act"? Should they be forced by the EU to sell their processors to competitors?
Having increased control over your market is one of the points of doing your own products. Otherwise you join a cartel of producers like the boys from Android who are too lazy assed to produce their own OS, so they share it with other OEMs getting whatever Google ships. Or you buy processors from Qualcomm that are consistently 2 years behind Apple. Hey, maybe that's why those guys hardly make any money.
@@bruxi78230 and i never said it was illegal either. Of course its legal, but something being legal or not does not prevent it from being a morally bad thing that leads to a monopolization of its market - aka the destruction of competition.
Creating a unique port that is the only port for charging, headphone use, and internal access is an attempt to stifle competition in the accessories market, limiting any and all manufacturers from creating products that operate with your device unless those competitors pay a fee. The iphone is itself a market to make accessories for, and apple is one of many companies that work within that space. A unique port gates companies out of that market. Its perfectly legal because it doesnt immediately create a trust, but it is an act to take control of multiple markets from which apple is involved. Standard Oil was a monopoly because it took control of every supply chain relating to oil, not just the selling of oil. And apple, here, is taking control of the supply chain and markets it creates. Explicitly anti-competition for companies that arent itself.
Plus its absolutely anti-consumer. So Apple still bad
@@sandshark2 It's a waste of time arguing with Apple cultists, they are impervious to reason.
Apple: we don’t support regulation to make everyone use the same port because it will discourage competition
Also Apple: unless of course everyone’s forced to use our port, then it’s fine 👍
This! The same company claiming they dont like being FORCED to change.... is the same company who forces ALL APPS to use their payment system
Rules for thee but not for me
Yea lol
Also Apple: “of course our port comes with a fee”. MFi (made for iPhone) certification is not free and charge hefty amount per design, and a small cent per piece.
If they are so concerned, put both connectors on it. After all, the Apple costs over a grand! I’m sure a second port wouldn’t add too much to the bottom line?
I love how the EU is like "Fine, we'll do it ourselves" to the US when it comes to regulating American tech companies.
Tbf they did suggest the US, Japan and China to implement this on their own terms,
Years ago when USB-C was fasing in more and more,
But they didn't, so now the EU chose to force their hand.
It's because they're paying Government bodies to not fuck with their Lightning Cables.
The EU is not some benevolent body. Far far from it.
@@garrym5682 Depends on your definition of benevolent.
As an American I appreciate it. Our government seems to hate doing anything that matters nowadays 😔
First the EU showed Facebook their place and now they are showing Apple their place. In all seriousness tho, it's a good and natural step to aim for 1 port or wireless for everything.
EU first and foremost started as a trade block, the ONE thing above all else they care about is ensuring Europe's medium-business-based model of economics isn't bullied by the multinationals. They may get many things wrong, but one thing you can 100% count on them for is making sure trade regulations are fair, effective and most of all, protect european interests.
@@nickelchlorine2753 no one expects the Spanish inquisition
I really hope phones don't go full wireless and have atleast one standard port :/
@@thespanishinquisition4078 Shame they didn't show Intel their place, but still Globalisation that's done in a better way, monopolies shouldn't even be a thing on a national scale... Let alone international 😬
No one expects @@thespanishinquisition4078
The fact that most devices from Apple don't use lightning anyway shows how inferior it is to usb c. they should have switched a while ago instead of keep forcing more e-waste.
Also it is 100% not about the money this law is pretty old and they just updated it. Before this you needed to pay a small fee per device sold that doesn't use usb c.
so well said!
This exactly! It cannot be that difficult for Apple to just change iPhones to USB-C. They’ve already done 98% of the work for iPad anyway.
It would probably sell more devices than any other of the other stagnant non-upgrades they’ve done recently.
Bro what ???? They should keep lighting we and android users are not the same the charging cable is what separated the bums from the elite
@@poody_Smoove994 No way you just said that hahahahhahahaha.
What happened to the white tooth standard? That was decades ago.
Apple will try to sell you the proprietary wall socket , house cabling and breaker switch if they could, of course only to be serviced and repaired by a Apple approved technician. With built in obsolescence because you know safety, user experience, water damage or something along those lines.
Also they're all serial locked so you can't even do your own repairs with Apple parts; your bulbs won't turn on until someone from Apple comes and syncs everything, a service that will cost almost as much as the initial purchase.
Then don't buy them. Don't get the state to restrict other peoples' options just because you personally don't want to use those options.
It's funny that Apple says this conformity will curb innovation because Apple hasn't lead the innovation curve in years except when it comes to anti repairability and planned obsolescence.
What is this "planned obsolescence" (by Apple) you speak of?
Dude, have you tried a Mac with an M2 processor? You have no idea what you’re saying. If that is not innovation, I don’t know what is! Tesla is just proprietary as Apple. The sad part is people don’t understand that proprietary is not a four letter word!
@@MultiPetercool Take it easy Apple fanboy, I was leaning towards smart phones as for the rest of their line-up the last two points still stand.
@@Inspadave Updates tanking your clock speeds so you'll shell out for next product, soldiering the battery to the motherboard so you can't extend its lifespan, making each component coded so any attempt to replace broken parts gets an error, Apple store charging you for a repair just shy of what it costs to buy a new replacement not because the repair costs that much but because they want you to choose the replacement option.
@@Apoc5k What do you mean obsolescence? There is a vibrant market out there for old Apple equipment. I agree that the lack of serviceability and upgradeability is a pain, but I’ve never had performance problems. I don’t have a problem with any of the things that you find so objectionable. The benefits of the software outweigh any of the negatives surrounding the hardware.
And I say good for the EU! It's about time to end this childish, anti-consumer competition about charging ports.
nothing stands against the EU
@@whitezombie10 what
Yeah, they should standardize the other end too. One outlet in the EU.
anti-consumer? multiple companies trying to out do each other by attempting to make something better than the other offers is anti-consumer?
@@neeneko yes and at the same time making it too hard for consumers to get something so they need to pay more. Be more pro consumer but in the rest anti consumer to get more money.
The real bonus to having charging aligned with USB-C is that an end user can use a single cable to charge and interconnect all their devices. My monitor has USB-C so I can charge my wireless keyboard and mouse from it, also my Bluetooth headphones, plug my laptop into it and not only have an external monitor but also charge the laptop too. So now I have one cable to do all these things rather than having to go rummaging around in a draw full of cables every time something needs plugging in. USB has been a real disaster of a standard until USB-C having too many different connectors but with USB-C it seems they finally got their act together.
Can you imagine Apple removing all ports on their devices just to ensure people are forced to use their proprietary products?
Airpods?
Oh yeah.....
Not really.
- wireless charging is very inefficient...
- ... and therefore bad for environment if enough people do it
- it's also bad for battery
- you can't move files from your GoPro to phone/tablet wirelessly (at least with USB-C port you can plug in SD card reader or USB stick)
@@UltraCasualPenguin I feel like you've not been an Apple consumer for long enough yet.
- Apple doesn't care about efficiency, they care about 'cool factor'
- This very thing shows how Apple does not care for the environment (this law is just the latest version of a law that's 10+ years old and Apple has been paying fines for not following this law for years already)
- Bad battery is good for Apple's wallet, if you think the battery is bad you hopefully buy a new device since you cant replace the battery. Do you remember/know that they were CAUGHT faking battery degradation with iOS software updates just a few years ago? you'd update your iPhone and lose part of battery, they did that on purpose to sell new iPhones/make people believe new iOS was "too demanding for my current iPhone", Apple are utter scum who dont give a sh*t about their consumers
- So they would just sell you an Apple exclusive GoPro version, easy money for both parties ;)
Dont get me wrong btw, i used to look up to Apple & their products, things have changed though, they went from 'exclusive' & 'quality that you pay for' to 'anti-consumer' & 'paying a premium for outdated hardware' in only a few years.
@@suicidalbanananana Well, that's the thing: I have never been. Ok, I owned 2nd gen Ipod Touch and spent way too much money in Itunes Store.
When it comes to phones:
I went from Motorola to Nokia for several years until I switched to Android in form of HTC Desire HD. I kept that maybe a bit too long until I switched to Galaxy S8+ followed by Note 10+ and S22 Ultra.
@@suicidalbanananana i agree but you can certainly change the battery, it just won't change much with software telling you the Phone is still bad lol
Yep! They are gonna do that, because the consumer's rights doesn't matter to Apple. And why I never buy their products. This whole debacle and the Right to Self Repair shows that these big tech companies has gotten WAY too big.
So basically Apple is upset that they're not the ones in control. they're fine with a universal charger as long as they control it.
And that's what they gonna say at the end. That it was their idea to do it for better consumer experience, watch it 😃
@@peto1986 i wouldn't be surprised if they'll do that
As if the designers who made a mouse that charges by being upside down, would ever focus their design on best consumer experience fucking comical
No. Government overreach is trying to force a private business to conform. Why own a business if you can’t be in control of your business?
@@gmeister03 And without gov regulation, companies would go nuts and have their own standards, making consumers spend even more trying to find what's right for them. Without it, even the simplist bolts and nuts would have different sizes per products.
Regulations are not welcomed by businesses, but the regulation on basic and/or common level is very much needed.
Probably the most important thing missed in the video: This directive does not prevent anybody from including more than one charging connector on their device. Apple's own new laptops are perfect example: able to charge over USB-C *and* MagSafe.
and as someone who has a MacBook for work, that is the way to go in my opinion. The MagSafe is stronger than a USB-c, but if I lose it or leave it at home, I am not limited.
Laptops are not covered by this Directive in the near term and we will need to wait and see what happens with MagSafe. For me it was a great innovation back in the day but having USB C on MacBooks for the last 5 plus years I'm not convinced that MagSafe has tremendous value these days.
@@yuvalne Choices are always good if you are a consumer. Unfortunatley, the trend with smartphone seems to be to give people less choice. They've already removed the headphone jack and I fear companies might take this is a cue to switch to entirely wireless designs.
@@20quid ------ Going to wireless audio has proven to be massively popular with consumers. Did you not notice that? Who wants a fricken headphone jack which is old tech from mid 20th century? By the way, these phones are essentially wireless products, did you want to plug it in to the wall to make a telephone call?
@@bruxi78230 I prefer the headphone jack. Wireless shit needs to be charged, and is quite uncomfortable to use imo. I don't like wireless headphones. I prefer my headphone jack.
Apple: We've removed every port on our laptops except USB-C. And the audio jack. You can use the USB-C cables for charging, but you need to buy an adapter for anything else.
Also Apple: We've removed the audio jack from our phones, and refuse to implement USB-C.
they are so smart - you dont need ear's when you have eye's and apples
Being entirely/almost entirely usb-c is pretty common among ultrabooks nowadays, you do realize that right?
@@HipposHateWater Who said anything about Ultrabooks?
Apple making laptops that are 100% USB-C and forcing the use of dongles for common accessories is a design flaw.
The same holds true for any other manufacturer making the same decision.
A few years down the line, perhaps all common accessories will be USB-C and this will be a non-issue. As of now, I still want easy access to USB-sticks, SD cards, printers, scanners, monitors, external hard drives etc. without being forced to have an adapter.
@@plentyofpaper an adapter would still be needed down the line unless you are happy to throw away otherwise perfectly usable external drives and usb sticks.
@@emryspaperart Sure, but that's nothing new.
Old monitor with only a VGA video port? Want to watch an old DVD? Get access to a floppy disk drive?
All of these are things that were standard features for computers years ago, but require non-standard hardware now.
It's inevitable to happen eventually. But we're still definitely in a transition period. USB-C memory sticks, monitors, printers, scanners etc. just aren't what most people have yet.
Honestly the EU is probably the best political entity to deal with these sorts of things. In my opinion, they should also start regulation against planned obsolescence in tech. I'd love to see regulation forcing that for a period of at least 5 years, there should be software updates, batteries replaceable by the consumer, and maybe give tax advantages to more repairable devices. The innovation tech needs these days is making devices last longer, not marginal gains on speeds, image qualities, etc.
Based.
Well they already have. There is minimum two year guarantee on all tech devices.
Speaking of that, someone needs to SUE APPLE for making charging cords that disintegrate after about 3 months. It's like they are designed to break so you have to buy a new one at least once per year.
@@draum8103 take care of your stuff better. everyone knows apple junk is fragile. if you want it to last, dont beat it up.
@@camillo9213 in aus, there isnt even a minimum time. devices are supposed to last as long as theyre "reasonably expected" to last. if you buy a TV for example and it fails after 3 years, you can take the company to court if you can argue that you expected the tv to last for 5 years, and youll probably win. both nintendo and valve had to start offering refunds on their online stores because someone complained to the ACCC, and right now, the ACCC is in the process of suing AirBnB because they listed prices in USD for australian users, resulting in much higher prices than expected as well as currency conversion fees. we actually care about consumers here. (they drive the economy.)
"waterproofing devices" is just code for "make devices die reliably, shortly after the warranty expires" by making batteries only last so long before they need replacing, this is why I HATE waterproofing of phones, I WANT to be able to easily replace my battery!
You should start taking care of battery instead by never allowing charge to drop below 30% and only charge up to 85% (activate "protect battery" feature).
@@UltraCasualPenguin if that's the case then why is the 0% and 100% indicators on batteries, stop charging and turn off at those points? it sounds like manufacturers WANT batteries to fail faster
@@feldegast You can stop charging at 85%. Enable "protect battery" option in settings. If you have Android: Settings -> Device maintenance -> Battery -> go to bottom, there should be something like additional options -> Protect battery at bottom, enable it. You can also start charging around 30%.
Why never charge to 100%? Because closer to full it gets more difficult it gets to get last bits of energy into battery. This is done by increasing amount of energy which is then forced to battery which, you guessed it, isn't good for battery.
@@UltraCasualPenguin never seen that option before,... had Android phones for over 14 years...I'll have a look but it is still dishonest of manufacturers
@@UltraCasualPenguin that feature is not on all androids, Samsung built that into their custom android rim essentially
In all the time I've been using USB cables, I have never had a single one break. My friends who use Apple seem to burn through cables constantly breaking and then pay more for the replacements than I do for USB cables. As well as a royalties, Apple just want to monopolise the market and charge extortionate prices for their equipment that appears to be designed to break.
I had plenty of USB cables and chargers break / burn out. Biggest issue is when the USB sockets break. Sometimes you could fix it with a screwdriver, sometimes you'd have to send the phone in. Never had that issue with apple mobile devices (ipad 2, various ipods, now iphone).
I know this is not the point but that's the first time I have seen the adjective form of the word 'extortion'. Its quite a useful word which I would probably use a lot in the future so thank you.
I’ve had my original cable to my iPhone for 5 or 6 years now and it still works fine.
My experience with lighting connectors is that they stop staying attached to their ports after a while. There's just not enough holding them there, they have a loose connection, start charging poorly, and fall out.
Usb just works better from my experience.
So my toothbrush, shaver, camera etc. will all have USB-C charging ports? That's fantastic. I hope by the way that the build quality of charging cables will also become more durable. USB-C is already mechanically superior, holding better in the plug than micro-USB, and also allowing twice the amperage, hence faster charging.
Technology marches on so this decision will inevitably be revisited in a few years.
Not toothbrushes or shavers. At least not at the moment.
If USB-C is a regulatory enforced standard, why would any company bother researching or developing a new port?
@@PadHicks Higher data rate, amperage etc. No standard is forever (though our wall plugs are examples of very durable standards).
@@uncinarynin great, so when the lobbyists and lawyers sign off on it, we can get the next upgrade. Not organically as adoption becomes mandatory to keep up with competition.
@@PadHicks Because USB-C doesn't need to be the company's only port. For example, new Macbooks that have both USB-C and MagSafe ports.
I feel proud to be European now! This is an absolute W, no more "finding the right charger". Go EU!
Oh, what's that, at a friend's house and you desperately need to charge something? Of course they don't have the same charger. That would make too much sense.
I am usually very critical of the EU. But even I will have to admit, that the EU has done great in this case!
I'd like to extend the USB-C charging capability to other wireless items. Pretty much anything that is wireless and can be charged at USB-C rates, make them integrate the USB-C charging capability
These types of Directives were one of the major reasons I believed the UK should have remained part of the EU. Now the UK needs to independently decide on these things and hence employ people to perform the necessary evaluations. I'm just waiting for us to increase our mains voltage back up to 240V and no longer follow the European norm!
@@stephenwabaxter Currently there is news that UK does not want to follow this regulation from Brussels, each manufacturer may do what they want. LOL, I think the British government overestimates its influence tremendously. Of course, no manufacturer will abandon USB C especially for the British market.
It seems to be manic in Westminster by now to condemn everything that comes from Brussels!
The EU is a real peace project for the understanding of the European peoples, it has brought us so many freedoms, you can use your cell phone in other EU countries as you would at home, freedom to travel, common currency, to name but a few things.
It is a great pity that the UK is no longer part of this project, but unfortunately too many people in your country fell for the lies of Johnson, Farage and their cronies.
I think it's a step in the right direction of finally regulating unsavory practices of tech giants and opens the door for even more substantial reforms in the future. Really happy that the EU has done this.
Thank you, this is getting out of hand. I grew up in the 70-80 when all was standardized.
I am sorry, but I don't think that the company that tried to sell a monitor stand for the price of 999$ is actually doing this for the sake of the consumer.
In my opinion the part where they were resisting this change out of pure greed and self-interest is solid enough reason to justify their actions, no matter how little the actual revenue stream would be compared to the rest of the things they do.
The "little" revenue stream was more than enough to fund the bonuses of the fat cats in charge.
I never expected Tech Alter to give that excuse.
* The number one reason is money and control Apple has always had on their consumers and what they're allowed to get or do with their device.
It's just like how Apple is refusing to replace the old SMS standard with the new secure and better RCS standard. Cos they hate the fact that if they do teens will no longer bully their friends for not having an iPhone to join group chats in the US.
Yeah once this goes through, they're going to double down in the US.
They have much more control over the market (politics).
@Steven Strain RCS is not a Google thing but a GSMA standard like SMS. Educate yourself before you reply. Also what's the point in telling people they're "Android fans"? I use both mobile operating systems daily and i would love it if my iPhone used the secure RCS standard instead of SMS which can be easily exploited.
@Steven Strain And yes, many researches on Green bubbles vs Blue bubbles have revealed that Apple is deliberately using iMessage in the US to make teens discriminate against their friends in school group chats especially just to force them to get an iPhone in order to join group chats. GSMA solved that by making RCS protocol have every major benefit of iMessage making people join group chats, share large files, react, get typing notifiers and more importantly, End-to-End encryption.
So Apple is reluctant to replace SMS with RCS because they know there'd be less people in the US bullying others to get an iPhone because of messaging if they do.
I’m absolutely thrilled. Apple has been criminal with its separate connectors and I’m glad to see the EU standing up to them.
@Bryan Apple has a huge advantage in the market. By trying to lock people into their hardware eco-system, it is destroying competition and is raising prices for everyone, as they have to buy Apple exclusive headphones/chargers/connectors, etcetera.
@Bryan A new connector needs to be compatible with all devices. One company should not get to monopolize the market like that.
It's about preserving a free market, competition, and innovation.
@Bryan Apple getting rid of compatibility with non-Apple products means you have to replace them with Apple products, which almost always cost more.
@@TheArctofireHD "I'm too lazy to switch phones so I'd rather potentially fuck over the innovation for everyone else."
@@honzasrnka4796 'Innovation' lol. you've sucked up their bullshit propaganda. It isn't in the slightest about innovation, it's about them trying to rip consumers off.
And today we confirmed apple could do absolutely nothing about it. Next they will be forced to make an iPhone with removable battery
I also still use Devices with Micro USB as charging port
And if Apple is unhappy with that. They Signet a contract for standartisation the ports over a decade ago amd is the only Player from that contract who conplitly ignored it an developed their one thing that is incompatible with everything else
I could definitely see apple “sticking” it to everyone and making a new wireless charger that’s “superior” to a lot of of chargers, but is completely proprietary to apple only….
they can make proprietary power delivery protocol. simply said that other adapter will not accepted by iphone.
@@novelnouvel But that's already disallowed by EU rules.
You think too much of apple. They innovate very little. Just like Elon musk. Many ideas, some good most terrible, backed by cash and corruption.
(Apple wouldn't be anywhere if they had the ability to disable the microphones and cameras (able to record and transmit while powered off since about iPhone4), non removable batteries and an alternative to microphones in lamposts (Gordon brown, UK MP circa y2k). Also the year Google stopped pretending to be a privacy giant and admitted being an advertising monopoly.
This is really good as people will finally be able to get a normal charger and they won't have to get charged for hundreds by Apple.
Good one
nah they'll just stick another 100 on the Iphone sticker price.
Thinking about this an hour later it would seem too naive.
Nobody is forcing u to have a official one
@@TinyBearTim I don't have anything from Apple but I'd say that a lot of people are probably scared to buy something unofficial
This guys voice sounds like the guy from the "you're a wizard harry"
The USB-C is OBJECTIVELY better than lightning cable, higher power carrying ability and higher data transfer speed (10Gbps vs 0.48Gbps, yes it's over 20x higher)
Apple only stays with it because of $$$, they can honestly suck it and wipe their tears with all the money they have already got
The greatest strength Apple has is it's ability to screw their consumers at every point, have them pay for it and then thank apple of the privilage.
Also TechAltar response make no sense:
1. "They cannot control what device gives power to their phone".
Apple cannot it even now. There are countries with 110V and other with 220V, 50 Hz or 60 Hz, reliable supply or waning providers. If the charger, by law, have to follow a certain standard, as the Eu wants, there will be less problems for device manufacturer, not more.
2. "They cannot control what accessories are made for iPhone".
The laws only requires USB3 for charging. All other accessories could be selected by the producer and it can refuse to enable them. They can even add a second port with any new protocol they like.
@@kfhroe8262 iirc they charge for every bit of equipment that uses the proprietary lightning connector
I totally agree.
Using different cable just to be SPECIAL and make additional Money is not good for the environment.
FK apple.
Usb-C is a whole bunch of confusing standards. You never know what each device will actually support from those great theoretical specs.
The main issue I have with usb C is the fragile design of the port. The fragility is on de device side, which runs the risk of breaking the device because of a damaged port. How’s that for e-waste? The Lightning connector is way more robust, even though the actual cables seem to break at one point. But I rather replace a few € cable than a 1k€ device…
This is great as technology is supposed to take us to bigger and greater things, and having the same cable for everything is a step in the right direction. Sure it might cause some problems in the future if they find a better cable for some reason and they need to transition every device from USB-C to a new cable, but qualify of life for everyone should be the priority over financial gain for companies because they want to make extra money selling their unique charger.
To state the obvious any change is change, from a standard USB C or from dozens of proprietary connectors. At least if we come from USB C to something better there will be only one adaptor necessary instead of dozens.
A fully compliant USB-C port has an internal routine to check the quality of the cable; ie if the cable can hold 5 Amps continuously. Otherwise the power supply switches to 1 Amp charging, to avoid melting the cable and the port.
I would like to point out that the USB-C head is meant to be "future-proof," meaning it will be the same form factor for the considerable future. Then again, this is coming from the same people who insist on USB 3.0 = USB 3.1 Gen 1 = USB 3.2 Gen 1.
@@rayoflight62 Hope you realize you are the only one bringing this voodoo physics into the discussion :))
P.S. I agree :)
This rule has existed for a long time and it first was for the usb micro and usb b micro. They updated the rule to usb c around 2014 since then Apple has been paying a fine. Now 10 years later the rule will be updated again making s statement that paying a fine is just not good enough anymore.
They will for sure update it once there is a better alternative it will take a while tho.
I like having a ability to charge via wire. I feel like wireless only devices for charging is going to be a bad idea, since if your phone's wireless charging breaks. Your phone is done for (and for someone like apple who charges a arm and a leg for their products, this would be insane repair cost).
In a similar move nearly 20 years ago, the EU forced Cellphone Manufacturers to make USB chargers standard. Before that, you basically had a unique charger for every Cellphone, and the charger became useless once you got a new phone.
Wireless charging requires about 50% more energy per device. We are literally going to need a few more power plants to cope with that.
Actually it is very negligible
Almost half a bitcoin worth!
And who wanna carry that thing in the pocket
About time someone stops Apple in its feet.
More like force apple to keep up with everyone else. Their port transfer speed is slow for a flagship
@@RandomPerson-tz7wk So everybody wins. Even better. You just need to convince the suits from Apple.
@@Alfonso88279
No need to convince them. Eu made it LAW. It would hurt apple reputation to have the slowest USB C flagship on the market. So they better step up or move to portless
@@RandomPerson-tz7wk Most likely Apple is going to go portless and make future iPhones thinner and wireless charging standard.
I LOVE that the EU is doing this !
So, apple has been changing to USB-C in some of their devices. While I definitely like everything using USB-C, apple has so many items all tied to that connector, that it wasn't going to be easy for them to completely change to it for everything. Apple was migrating to C but it wasn't a full company/cultural shift. Honestly, I have so many apple connectors from other devices that I was kind of glad that they kept the old connector because I have a bunch of those cables already. That said, moving to USB-C is better for everything in the long run.
Apple: "You can't f*ckin do this?!"
Entire EU continent: "hehe, tg monsieur" **smokes a cigarette and starts eating a croissant**
France: * sips wine
German: *drinks beer
@@RandomPerson-tz7wk Belgian: *does both
Finnish: *starts sauna and drinks beer*
not everyone in EU is french.
@@RandomPerson-tz7wk rather
South Europe: drinks wine
North Europe: drinks beer :D
The promise of USB-C is to be a truly universal way to connect devices, not just for charging, but also replace display interfaces like HDMI and DisplayPort.
There is a fragmentation within the industry among products that use USB-C connector to charge devices.
Although the USB-C is known by it connector, the spec gives manufacturers a lot of liberty when it comes to how to wire stuff up in the cable. That makes some charging cables for one phone incompatible or even dangerous when used with devices from another manufacturer.
I hope that the will solve this.
That being said, cables that won't carry a current are very few and far between.
I will skip the obligatory xkcd on universal standards.. but USB has been trying to be the 'universal standard for everything' for decades now, and I think we are starting to hit the 'every problem looks like a nail when all you have is a hammer' stage.
USB C is an absolutely incredible standard with all its capabilities for power and data. The standards organisation should in theory be able to ensure interoperability between manufacturers if everyone follows the rules.
@@stephenwabaxter eh, it is a bit of a mixed bag. there has long been a dream of using one cable.. one bus, one protocol, one interface for all things.. but it means it isn't really all that good at any of them and tries to hide it through brute force transfer rates. It also means more and more complex hardware/firmware is required to handle all those divergent capabilities via a single piece of generalized hardware.
USB-C is convenient, which significant, but that comes at a cost of, well, everything else.
@@stephenwabaxter I expect a monitor to use USB-C for both data and power. I love that I don’t need any other cable to connect.
Lightning cables are by far the most fragile cables out there, usually they last one year - that's if you're lucky.
Actually not true, many tests find lighting cables to last longer. Usb C has pins in the centre which can be damaged and its a lot harder to clean.
@@InvictusMartin Oh man, I wish knew that, if I did I would just kept using the one lightning cable that no longer charged anything and wouldn't have to buy three more in a span of three years because apparently my real experience using them is irrelevant to whatever prefabricated tests are saying.
@@InvictusMartin not cables, connectors. Apple and MFi cables won’t usually last longer than a year.
@@Whipko So basically you're saying your sample size of 3 or 4 cables is enough to make a blanket statement that applies to hundreds of millions of cables.
I've never had an Apple-branded cable fail. I have an 8-year-old Lightning cable that I sometimes still use to connect my iPhone to a power strip with USB-A. The only time my iPhone failed to charge, I quickly discovered it was due to lint in the Lightning port. However, I'm probably more careful than most about avoiding strain, kinks, etc.
@@jc3drums916 So you question my personal experience not being representative of a whole picture and then follow up wtih your own :) ok bro.
USB changes their plugs very, very often. They also struggle with compatibility. For example, my Nintendo Switch (USB C) could not charge my BlackBerry Android phone. It disconnects after a second. Fast charging also often doesn't work, depending on cabling, adapters used, charger / battery pack used and phone used. Sometimes it's random, so plugin/unplugging helps.
I'm not a fan of proprietary technology, but apple plugs historically worked quite well. From my ipod classic over the magsafe of previous MacBooks to the lightning connector.
EU has mandated the USB Power Delivery specification for all chargers, so they should be competely cross compatible now i guess
Finally a law that forbids apple's bulls*t
I'm especially happy for laptops to have USB-C to charge. I always forget my cable and it's so individual.
yea wait till you plug the charging USB-C into the standard interface ports......
@@125pheonix With laptops that already charge via USB C, all ports generally support power delivery. If they dont, USB PD is not a dumb protocol, it doesnt just drop 50W into your USB port without communicating first.
@@julianrobin9390 you run with that, USB-C is not a fixed standard yet, but you go with trusting manufacturers to child proof your tech. USB-C is not a good PD system for anything over 2.0A at 5v. Preference to not chance a hiccup
@@125pheonix USB C and USB PD actually are standardized, though. IEC 62680
Please standardize charging cables. We cannot mess up again. We inherited various power point types.
Without some breakthrough in the technology a future with wireless charging as the sole option doesn't seem very environmentally friendly: Wireless charging is awfully inefficient compared to cables, especially for small devices like phones.
And it's not just bad for the environment, lower efficiency also means slower charging and/or more waste heat (potentially reducing battery lifespan).
You're absolutely correct. It's just innovation for the sake of innovation.
The last few years has also seen many standard appliances now using USB chargers and cables instead of typical wall plugs. The uniformization of USB and usb-c cables in Europe means with one USB charger and cable i now can use my desk lamp, tablet ,phone, electric shaver, fan, mini speaker, camera and countless other things without the octopus of tangled cords and chargers i used to need. Makes travel a dream! And camping with a small solar device i can still connect to me essential devices!
Good! One port type just makes sense. It will cut down on e-waste, you can find a cable/ charger anywhere and their claim about innovation only works as long as you actually innovate.. Lightning has been around for quite some time.. And they have used USB-C on other things already.
With wireless charging you can
waste more energy as a less efficient
mode of energy transfer.
A truly green choice if applied on the mass.
The problem I see with wireless charging in heat. From what I've heard from friends who use wireless charging, they're devices get quite warm when charging wirelessly. Heat ruins Lithium batteries so until they figure out how to keep the batteries cool while charging, I hope Apple just goes with USB-C.
The EU has many Directives (eg WEEE, RoHS, Battery ) and this is just another one that manufacturers will need to comply with. Environmental Issues are moving up the Political Agenda and we are likely to see more Directives in the future which will drive technological change.
When they say, “EU bad” or “EU useless”, I present to them the dongles I don’t have to keep buying or find to use for a device.
That and no roaming charges for phone calls within the EU.
I'm confused. Are we talking about the dongles millions of iPhone users will have to buy to continue using their accessories after the switch?
@@jonatanrullman Not really. iPhone user will not have to buy anything to continue using their accessories.
6:30 oh my god the meme after apple removed headphone jacks is becoming real
I run a repair shop. the most common charge port issue I see with iPhone is that the end of the lightning cable broke off in the port. so I end up fishing out what looks like a fat staple. everytime I see it happen, the customer says it was the cable that came with the iPhone that broke off. lightning always has been a wear design that leads to failures.
It is not just lightning though, Apple's USB-C to USB-C cable also has that same problem.
@@razi_man really... so it's just that Apple is crap. Knew that already
I hate wireless charges, often I use my phone while it's charging and a cable is more convenient 😊
Good for the EU, Good for people, good for the environment
I'll be sure to get my tiny violin out for Apple 🤨
I've never been a fan of big government. But enactment and enforcement of standardization in mass produced products is one of the few areas that I think government can improve things consumers dramatically. This move to a standardized port won't limit innovation in the slightest. If a better port is developed, multi port devices are nothing new. My guess is that once a dominant non-proprietary wireless charging standard emerges that the EU will pass similar legislation to require compatibility with that too.
Now if only they could require use of standardized consumables (air filters, oil filters, etc.) in vehicles.
Standardized chargers for electric cars, too.
Don't forget that wireless charging still requires a charger with a wire, all it solves is the connector debate. and the EU also wants to reduce e-waste or in this case, any sort of wire, so the wireless charging is not the end at be all. I even expect that the wireless charging cables will ultimately also go trough a period of unregulated innovation, and than (forced) standardization just like usb is now.
Wouldn't they just have a fixed wire like most electrical devices?
@@MDP1702 depends because solutions like that would create more waste instead of a modular solution.
@@MDP1702 I think OP is referring to the standard, like QI charge vs Rezence vs AirFuel and so on
@@MDP1702 yes exactly, and thus still needing copper/aluminum, and other electrical components along with the extra components for the charging point, adding to the e-waste pile. and expect each wireless charging device to first only be useful for a specific appliance, just like the usb cycle has gone trough.
The biggest problem with wireless charging is its efficiency. Wired cable has an efficiency of over 95% whereas wireless has an efficiency of as low as 47%. Imo wireless charging should be banned until its efficiency reaches the levels of wired charging. Its just plain wasteful.
*I can already see Tim Cook saying to abandon the charging port as it taking too space in the the phone and etc and start pushing towards wireless charging...*
I've been using 15w wireless charging with my now 3 year old Huawei Mate P20 pro for years. It takes a little longer than wired charging but it is not that bad at 15w. If I really need to charge quickly i plug in the 40W usb-C charger that came with it. Takes it from 0% to 70% in less than 30 mins. Or in more practical terms - if you are at 40-50% - it would reach full in less than 30 mins.
One of the reasons I have not changed it out yet - it is a phone that really holds up well. Battery is still fantastic on it.
@@jarls5890 Except your wireless charger is pissing 50% of the power you put into it, literally into the wind.
@@EvileDik Yes it does generate some heat. That heat is wasted energy. However it seems to be less than 50%. If it actually put 7.5W into the charger at all times it would get very hot.
I hope you are aware that the only way to "piss" energy "into the wind" is through heat (at least in any meaningful way).
@@jarls5890 Incorrect, I'm not going to go into induction theory* in the comments section but there are much larger losses that have nothing to do with heat. I don't do it professionaly, but I built several Wireless powered devices and had to do the maths to make sure they work.
*I'm sure you'd be willing to simulate the flux density distribution in space with Maxwell equations and estimate the losses by integrating the results. I can recommend 'Analysis of Operation and System Losses of an Inductive Power Transfer System for Wireless Charging of Electric Vehicles' if you wish to educate yourself.
@@EvileDik Nope. If you read page 70 and onwards in the very thesis you refer to - you will see losses in MANY parts of electronics.
However - ALL loss essentially end up as heat - heating up the charging device or the device being charged.
The only other possible ways you can lose energy is through radio emission (EM emissions) and magnetic fields. However - the magnetic field being waved about costs/wastes nothing unless it interacts with something. And that interaction would be ...the phone being charged.
If EM emission was a big loss - every wireless phone charger would be a essentially a very noisy radio station interfering everything around it - and would have been banned pronto.
THUS - we are left with heat. Unless you have some other idea of transferring (wasting) power to the environment?
Energy cannot disappear into "nothing". It must take a form. And you do not have that much to chose from. Do not have to be complex - just give me a hint about where the energy goes and in what form.
Not only these charging sockets. There will be a day, when the EU also forces the Americans to use metric system.
When I first went to America, a proud American told me:
“Welcome to America. We use inches and feet.” Meanwhile she was talking to an Englishman...
why would we care enough to do that? The system of measurement that average americans use doesn't really affect us
Americans already use the Metric system. About half the stuff we use nowadays is measured in Metric, and all English units are officially defined according to Metric units anyway.
Since you're an Englishman, I'm going to remind you that Brexiteers were celebrating the opportunity to return to using English units of measurement once they got out from under the boot-heel of the EU. It's utterly absurd to celebrate such a thing, but y'all were celebrating it anyway.
@@deusexaethera While she was saying that(she believed that the US invented such a measurement system), I was thinking didn’t we invent Imperial measurement?
BTW, that motion to move back to Imperial is almost certainly a stunt Boris pulls to get the attention away from the scandals.
That would be glorious! :D
But I think it would be so far into the future, though. CMIIW, but one of the reason the US still haven't switched to Metric is do to the fact that Americans are already well acquaintanced with Imperial. I know that people in the UK also uses Imperial, and even in Canada too..... But then again, changing people to exclusively use Metric or exclusively use Imperial is hard. Maybe, in the long term, changes through education will be possible :)
@@mab9614 Yeah it's a fucking joke. I don't wanna switch back to imperial.
In fact, I want to refer to kilometres as miles so I don't have to change the way I speak but still be able to do metric math on them.
I think you might be missing something, wireless charging also has to be standardized afaik.
If according to apple the lighting port is so innovative why did they move macs and ipads to USB-c years ago?
My iPad has a lightning port, but the cable has a USB-c plug on one end and the brick has the port. This is to allow faster charging. It should be noted that USB-c is bigger than lightning and would mean bigger iPhones and iPads, meaning less can be shipped together not good for the environment.
@@peteb81 my ipad pro with thunderbolt is thinner than my iphone… This is not an excuse…
Love how in wireless charging the charging station is plugged in with an wire, only moving the problem.
How? I'm happily charging my iphone on my samsung wireless charger :P The only cable I moved was the lighting cable to the garbage -- where it belongs..
@@II-nb6ko guess you have wireless electricity
@@bebelin157 well, yes. I do. That's what induction charging is. But to be more transparent, yes I am using a cable but it's a USBC... That's the whole point, right? If everything user USBC, you don't have a need for proprietary connectors like the lightning. You don't have apple charging 30 bucks for something you can only use on their product.
But if my Apple products charge from the same wire as every other device, how will people know I'm special?
the apple logo on the back? it really makes the phone feel extra premium
"This might hurt Apple"
Good.
apple is also mad when Europe wants them to pay their taxes, so apple being mad acts as an indicator 👍
Apple are notorious tax cheats in every country they operate in.
I feel people may fight back on turning solely to wireless charging. There are still some issues, like a wireless charger I got doesn’t work when I have my phone case on. If wireless charging becomes universal, our cases will need to have a maximum thickness as to not interfere with charging. I also feel the step of plugging something in helps the consumer confirm a device is charging. In my mind it’s more likely that when I set a phone on a charging pad it might not work, well it would be more likely for a device to definitely be charging if I plug it in, regardless of if this idea is at all true. Perhaps customizability in terms of charging signals may help, like being able to have your screen colors invert when on a charging pad. Finally, if we get rid of cords, how can I use my phone in bed when it’s almost dead. A wireless charging pad forces the user to set down the device to charge. Well this probably would help healthy habits in regards to setting devices down, it would still be an inconvenience to many. Maybe we could have a cheap phone case that can be plugged in that then charges the phone, si the actual phone can be more water proof well still being able to charge via cord. Kinda went on a tangent but those are my thoughts on the topic.
EU going into war with Apple and Facebook 💪
This is exactly why I think we will never really have vierless charging, atleast in its current form.
It Is also really wastefull on a eletromagnetic point of view.
Wireless connectors loss a lot of Energy between the wire-to-electrogamnetic wave and viceversa process
I'm not totally sure about the numbers, but It should be as much as 50% as wastefull.
I will never use wireless charging. I've enough radiation in my house.
Wireless charging does work with cases that support it. No they dont have a thickness limit (well none that would limit case design unless you want to carry around an inch thick lead case) they can pass current through the case in the same ways that they currently do.
There are multiple ways to tell if a device is charging and plugging a cable in is not one of them. What if the other end of the cable isn't plugged in? What if the contacts are dirty or the cable is faulty?
The only ways to know are completely unchanged in either method.
Magsafe charging which is apples wireless charging, isn't actually wireless. It is a magnetically attached charging mechanism.
One I am not advocating for. I hate the removal of wires. Wires are not a compromise to wireless they are still much, much more competent at transferring data and electricity.
I find it funny that people are protecting the lighting connector although it is ancient tech and doesn't even fit Apple's iPhone marketing of the devices being great video recorders:
- Lighting can transfer 0.48Gb/s (USB2.0), deliver 12W of power, and quite incredibly analogue audio by hacking in a DAC into the cable connector itself. In contrast....
- USB-C can (currently) transfer 40Gb/s (~100x more), deliver up to 240W worth of power (20x more), display 4K120fps (DisplayPort 2.0), digital audio, network, even PCI-e passthrough.
Sure, not all cables are certified for this, but the connector can handle and these functions are available to hardware manufacturers. The biggest issues for consumers is navigating what cables can handle what, and also what kind of functions a product's USB-C port provides. (laptop manufacturers are incredibly bad at declaring this, even in the manual, or when asking the support)
Who's protecting that junk? Haven't met anyone who doesn't like the change.
@@bazzfromthebackground3696 I have found several apple fanboys protecting the lighting connector on tech sites. They primarily defend it by saying that USB-C connector breaks more easily than the lighting connector (according to them, but there's no solid data proving this) meanwhile repair technicians tell them that usually USB-C problems usually has to do with dust build-up (which is easy to clean) and that apple's simpler connector design avoids some of this.
But yeah, it's pure nonsense and idiocy. :)
@@bazzfromthebackground3696 You can find many Apple fanboy channels saying that. Now they're pissed about having to switch to USB-C cables with Iphone 15 or even earlier.
Excellent news! We need more policymakers fighting big corporations and thinking about the majority of their constituents instead of just the biggest economic contributors.
Apple's argument is completely baseless and selfish.
Apple could have come up with a good proposal. They dropped the ball. Bye bye Apple; you are not in control.
Apple tryna keep their dumb wires that aren't even faster at charging as other damn wires.
all about the money
Holy crap, standardized laptop charging?
I don't think people understand how much bigger of a deal that is, I have shelves of different variants of chargers, wires and ports just for laptop chargers. Replacing literal shelves of charger variants with just 1 is huge.
It will take some time since as it was said some laptops require hundreds of watts more than the 240 watts that recently introduced in the latest USB PD revision.
@@eliadbu The only laptops that require that many watts are gaming laptops which are a small minority of current laptops. The vast majority are sub 100 watts, there's no reason laptop manufacturers couldn't start switching those models over to USB-C whilst waiting for the next USB standard to allow for gaming laptops.
@@acorgiwithacrown467 also workstation laptops. But these laptops are still significant portion of total laptops sold. I think that most low power laptops already switched, those that didn't most likely did not do it for budget concerns.
Apple, "How much money do we have? A trillion dollars? Meh, we need more."
Finally some logicaly good news from EU.
"Why is Europe forcing USB-C?"
Because it is the correct port.
Well so much for USB-D...there was so much hope to fix all the issues with "C".
of course, Apple doesn't like it.
A company that claims it would stifle innovation, hasn't innovated in decades.
"it's probably not just about money". Literally gives information that further solidifies that it is, in fact, only about money.
Thank you EU for such a sustainable gameplan that could realistically have effects outside of Europe.
It's nice that there are influential governing bodies that can't be bribed by Apple lobbyists.
If the EU really wanted to do something for the environment they would have stopped moving from Brussels to Strasbourg and back every month.
@@-Tholos- that's another good point too.
I'm really glad about this, not having to change charging cables etc, plus I find the usbC more stable, with the lighting cable being more prone to breaking
I have two problems with Apple: A full brain and an empty wallet.
I was put off Apple's stuff back in school when the choice for graphical OS was MacOS at school vs Windows 3.1 at home. Using MacOS, I felt like I was being treated like a little kid, while Windows and DOS respected my intelligence. Yes, I spent far more time on DOS playing games than I did in Windows doing school work, but who didn't at that age?
Been using Apple projects my whole life and it's been such a pain to deal with their 'innovative' approach to their chargers and cables. My new desktop is completely incompatible with so many tech accessories I own, and their own website struggles to provide recommendations for adapters. Most people can't identify the different cables, leading to even more waste when they buy the wrong ones.
This is a major game changer. Having usb c on my iPhone will make it significantly easier to charge - it’s brutally difficult at the moment.
When traveling, the lightning charger takes up a substantial amount of room in my bag and the weight is burdensome. Usb c solves these intense problems and increases endurance by reducing my workload.
Also, I’ll save money by buying new usb c cables instead of reusing the cables I currently own. Thank you government for solving all my problems!!
EU is really becoming a frontrunner in tech regulation. Great to see
crApple can go to hell; really appreciate the EU taking a stand against the ever arrogant tech monolith
I think its great, the fact that if you ever want to connect a non apple device to the laptop, you have to use an extra adapter and you have a mass of cables dangling from it is not very convenient, I am all for this!
One thing you didn't mention was that this regulations also regulates the charging bricks so that all fast charging bricks will be compatible with all devices
Well, BBK & Mi all have proprietary charging bricks ending with USB-C, I doubt they would be forced to stop developing Warp Charging and HyperCharging...
@@Seatux The regulation specifically mentiones that fast charging can no longer me proprietary so that means that every fast charging brick must be able compatible with every device that supports fast charging. They can develop whatever fast charging they want as long as fast charging works with every other device
Yeah, Apple hates putting USB-C on their iPhones, so they put it on all their other products. Apple is so full of it as usual. 😂👍
Apple could even keep the Lightning Port, and then just use software to disable the capability for their products to be charged via the Port for products sold in the EU.
After all, the Regulation says -Chargable- via a wired port; not -possesses- a Wired Port.
Or they could both have a USB-C and a Lightning Port: The USB-C can -only- charge, and all other functions use the Lightning Port.
If they wanted to be -petty-.
They would also immediately lose one of the largest market in the world.
Petty? Stupid, rather
@@10Tabris01 Well no. Because either way, they would *technically* be in compliance.
They can very much do just that: Lightning for everything _and_ USB-C for charging only, if they feel it makes sense. It doesn't, of course.
@@10Tabris01 No they wouldn't. Companies have skirted around the law exactly like this for centuries and have very rarely paid for it. You cant write a infallible law, and companies are ready too hire armies of lawyers if it means they can do what they want.
@@jounik Oh, it doesn't make sense. But it might make Apple-Sense(TM)
Around 3:20 I got an actual ad about nebula and it's from the same channel as I'm watching this video. When it happened I didn't notice until seeing the ad icon in the corner lol