EU Just Changed Smartphones Forever
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- A new EU law will require all mobile devices to have user-replaceable batteries by 2027. In this episode we take a look at the law, it's consequences and right to repair.
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Well I’ve always said the change to non replaceable batteries was just a way to force people to buy new phones once the battery and performance degrades in tandem
Planned obsolescence because of money, just sad 😅
Almost all of my batteries in my devices last well past the device's usefulness.
True , but lets not ignore the fact that some manufacturers intentionaly slowing down their older phones to force ppl get new ones. This is still a big W for common people but wont change much.
The batteries are not non-replaceable. They are not considered to be user replaceable, thus a user changing one will invalidate the warranty within the warranty period. Thus it must be done by a suitably qualified technician so as to not to void the warranty.. I agree most companies will make this an opportunity to rip customers off by over charging for the process but it can be done. It will still, most likely, cost a lot less than a new device.
@@pumpkinchucker4953 How is it possible for your devices to be useless before the batteries die?
Apple must be super happy that their phones will now be more eco friendly as they care about it so much and go far as removing their charger to promote eco friendliness.
😂😂😂 nice one
Cool 😂
LMAO. This comment needs more likes. Don't worry Apple always finds other ways to be scummy, we can always count on them for that. The best part is the sheeps will eat that shit up like every apple product ever released.
The irony
I have a removable battery is my LG G4 from 2017
Common EU W. Seriously though, the amount of devices that go to e-waste just because of a dead battery is ridiculous.
Now imagine how many batteries will become e-waste when user replacement becomes possible. Much more e-waste than you can imagine since people will be able to do it on their own.
@@DJ-yh8hmWhy would the rate of battery failure increase ? When the phone/EV dies people will just change their battery instead of the whole thing, fuck planned obsolescence we should be able to keep electronics for decades
Agree
@@DJ-yh8hmthat makes absolutely no sense.
It is way better to just change the battery instead of the whole device, which also has a new battery.
@@DJ-yh8hm more batteries but less e-waste in total as device life will be prolonged with replaceable batteries
The reason phones changed from having user replicable batteries to being glued was because the manufacturers noted that if people could replace the battery when it was old, they would keep their phones much longer. They want the batteries to fail so people will be forced to buy new phones more often
It's the same with tablets...I have a Samsung T520 with a Retina-like screen but with an old battery I can't change (without tearing it apart)...so I would like to see devices with easily replacable batteries, darn it, I won't throw away my well working phone and tablet...especially when I don't see such high reso. screens on new tablets, for that money. (250 USD)
It's not going to matter. Manufacturers will just make sure their updates cause the phone to pull more current, so your battery life will decrease until it's unacceptable, even with a new battery. They're already doing this today. The only way this new EU law would help is if they could also stop manufacturers from forcing us to accept their updates, which will never happen.
@@davidryder3374 Which is why I won't buy an Apple or Google-Android phone but something like Graphene or Linux based Operating Systems. In addition to extended OS supported life one avoids a lot of spying/data mining the big companies do to earn more money.
I think that phone makers knows that the functionality horizon has been reached and from now on any improvement is incremental and iterative. Nothing new. So it's in their interest to lengthen their time of ROI.
No, the reason is people kept buying phones with non replaceable batteries as of it didn't matter
I strongly believe that the right to repair is more valuable than any warranty you will ever have
it also gives 3rd party sparepart makers a chance, hopefullt.
Yes, my glue + glass phone broke after a week, & my Samsung Galaxy s5 still works if i want to call, text, take forward or backwards photo, & record audio.
I also greatly think we should get rid of the SIM card tray since I got comfortable/confident enough to stick a random sewing needle I could find into the mic hole \ wrong hole 😫
as everyone aware is
both? both. both is good
(in eu you have a 2 year warranty on most purchases)
@@k680B Both is best, but if I had to choose, I pick repairs
Right to repair is vital. Having modular batteries is a huge step toward that. I'd buy euro variants just to get that feature.
This is more like the right to replace, and I'm not sure how I feel about it. Being someone who repairs my own devices, right to repair means that the parts are available to purchase, and they are not physically impossible to replace (like Apple's soldered in parts). Batteries remain one of the easiest parts in a phone to replace typically, but a main reason I wouldn't want to replace one, or have replaceable batteries, is because it compromises the water resistance integrity, and that's something I've valued and assumed was a main reason behind the design of today's phones.
@@stuiedaman
that is bull shit.
I had waterproof mobile phone 20 years ago. And it has replacable batery
They probably won't have "EU variants" more likely they'll just standardize
@stuiedaman i dunno man, I think it's cheaper and more time efficient to just have easily replaceable batteries than to have a technician open, replace and solder (dunno if it needs soldering) it for you. On the water resistant part, 3:42 seems like a good design for that.
Edit: just noticed that you fixes your own devices and I don't think everyone have the time to learn how to properly open a smartphone, buy tools and glue and doing the repair itself, finicky stuff.
@@ephraim4259 my iPhone 4 (I know, I'm a dinosaur) had two screws on the bottom of the phone, take those out and the back cover slides off, and you're able to pop out the battery just like you could any other phone. No tech needed, just a special screwdriver which could bought online for $5. This design also prevented your battery/cover flying across the floor when you dropped your phone, being that it was secured with smalls crews instead of cheap plastic.
A battery that can't hold a charge is a huge reason most people get a new phone. It's obviously the driver for them sealing the battery.
This, and manufactures not updating the software on their devices for as long as they could, leading to some newer apps not working, or running very sluggish.
It’s like lightbulbs tires, and everything else they can’t make money if some things will last 100 years
Every single time I've got a new phone is because I destroyed the screen
no, batteries are holding up fine nowadays. Software obsolescence is a bigger problem.
That's part of it but phones also have gained in processing power over the last 10 years, significantly more hardware acceleration, extra LPDDR chips etc...
I am a retired Electronics engineer, I started when Thermionic valves where still in use so I have seen all the changes in the Electronics/Electrical industries over the years. Non repairable products have slowly entered the system on a drip drip method until what we have today. In my last years before retirement I did work for one of the largest Electronic manufactures and like the rest of them their goal was no user replicable parts that started to drift in to the professional repair sector to the point that it became practically impossible to obtain product repair information such as circuit diagrams and repair parts such as specific to the product batteries from Manufacturers. Glad I have permanently left all that behind.
Can't believe manufacturers are allowed to do that. Why there is no law in the first place to counter this kind of practice?
In the larger view of things if the Manufacturers where forced into providing spare parts for all their products they would need warehouses the size of multiple sports fields. And would you really want to purchase a replacement spring for a wind up gramophone or parts for those first mobile phones that were the size of a shoe box weighing rather more than the phones of today. Just look back ten years and count the number of electronic devices that have now slipped out of use many not because they did not work but more they became un fashionable, I do not like it but that is the way the world is going with consumer electronics. @@Pedonickatank
@@Pedonickatank believe it. The "Law" is there to enable these companies, not restrain them. without Law all along the way it would have been much harder to get to where we are today.
that said, it would be nice to have the Law come in and fix this crap, there's just always a catch.
eventually all of this will come crashing down. unfortunate but true
With a career in electronic engineering stating in the early 1970s it was unthinkable for me to be designing a product that could not be easily repaired. As a teenager I was repairing Televisions, no one who owned one of these expensive items would have believed in just replacing it when it failed. This is a reversion in product design that is absolutely the right way to go.
Apple products are easily repairable. Or it´s remainig price still makes it reasonable to repair it even if you need to buy expensive component. Chinese low quality electronics is what makes those milion tons of waste. Even if chinese brand phone will have easy access to battery, everyone will throw it away after two years.
People have a tendency to go backwards when they know of nothing else to do
@@Voldees No, they are not easy to repair. They are clearly engineering ways to make repairing their devices an uneconomical as possible.
@@An_Attempt They're even trying to pass laws so that you can't buy the parts to fix it yourself! Yet everyone keeps supporting apple. The company pushing to remove your right to repair. DUMP THEM.
TVs are far cheaper today than they used to be, overall it's probably cheaper to just buy a new one compared to the old days where you pay the equivalent of multiple months minimum wage for a quality TV. My $600 Hisense has a stunning image with zoned backlighting, real HDR. For $600 today dollars you probably couldn't have even bought a brand new colour TV of any size in 1970, let alone something with the image quality that true HDR offers today. They will repair TVs under warranty today, replace boards and stuff, but after five years out of warranty it kind of isn't worth it. The equivalent TV new would be $300 new five years from now.
We'll see very very quickly that it's been possible for them to make user replaceable batteries all along. They have not been limited by design they've been limited by desire. It is in the phone manufacturer's best interest to make their products last as short a time as possible. Making them difficult to repair is simply part of that plan.
Ohh it's possible and quite easy to achieve without bulking up the phone. If Samsung can make a foldable phone waterproof and fit a giant s pen inside their note/S series without losing functionality, adding a removable battery door is quite trivial. They just don't want to do it.
Stop buying from companies that screw you and everyone else over. Vote with your feet.
Sony has SIM slot that does not require any tools while being waterproof and I had Motorola with removable back cover for accessing microsd card that was also waterproof.
It's called Planned obsolescence.
iPhones: Yes, it is in our best interest for everyone to get hyped and buy iPhones every year.
This was a problem that was CREATED by the cell phone companies. Those old flip-phones had removable batteries, that you didn't need to literally melt your phone to access
You really don't have to go that far back, all of the LGs had that feature up till the late models
Flip phones? Pfft!
I got a 2017 Samsung Galaxy Xcover 4, and it has really easy to remove plastic back cover and detachable battery.
It's also drop, water and dust resistant out of the box, has physical side and face buttons, and has a headphone jack.
and were sturdier. the almighty nokia brick.
This comment courtesy of a 2018 Samsung Galaxy J3 Orbit with replaceable battery.
And those devices back in the day of user-replaceable batteries had a habit of "WHOOPS... into the drink and it stops working FOREVAH!"
Today? Many phones can take a quick dunking, be turned off quickly, and still work if they are quickly put into a bag of rice or dessicant for the water to be sucked out of the device.
Replaceable batteries have *always* been possible. They stopped doing it because people (such as myself) would hang on to an old phone *forever* and just keep replacing the battery. With the battery soldered permanently into the case, when the battery dies (and it always dies before the electronics) you are forced to replace the entire device, whether or not you otherwise needed to.
When I was 16 I used to buy iPhone like that l, and open em up, replace battery and either sell it or keep it as an upgrade. I was just trying to get a nice phone but the journey taught me alot about upcycling
batteries are not soldered to anything, it's just that now they require someone experienced with the right tools to be replaced. No one is forcing you to replace the entire device because of the battery, stop making shit up
@@justdude8115 not everyone has the time or expertise to tear down a phone properly. I fucked up a good few before I could find my way through a phone repair relatively easily.
@@Deyas786 "it's just that now they require someone experienced with the right tools to be replaced". Which means if you lack those thing then pay to a professional to do it.
Dont take me wrong, I 100% support the idea of making phone with easily replaceable batteries, but this guy is just making things up.
@@justdude8115 I see your perspective but what if you can't afford to pay someone to do it? Where it was at one time a 10 second open and shut replacement it's become much more complicated. The same way that a simple padlock is easily opened with force or knowledge, by making it just hard enough that the layman cannot open it would effectively rule out 80 percent of people from even trying. It's the same here. Either way I just wish phones could be more modular 😭
Whenever a company tells you it’s impossible to make a waterproof and dust proof device with replaceable batteries just remember those two words…. Action cameras
Edit: Damn Im dumb read your comment wrong 😂
Bro you named the most horrible example like name one popular action camera that doesn't have replaceable batteries? Like Go pro replaceable, Dji Osmo action 1,2,3 replaceable, Insta360 3 and RS series. Like what are you talking about!? Like action cams have dust and waterproofing despite having super easy to remove batteries in seconds if you have no case....like rubber gaskets and spring locks can heavily increase waterproofing the only minus is added bulk for the typical ways of locking the rubber gasket batteries...
Or just Galaxy s5
Removable back and battery and waterproof
or Life's Good,
or well, their more commonly known as LG.
the LG V20 an G5 were physical proof that it was possible to create the same sleek and thin premium devices with removable batteries and retain water-proof ratings.
the Samsung S5 was an even better example of how even a phone made entirely out of cheap plastic can have a removable pack panel and still retain an IP67 rating.
the Fairphone 4 has an IP54 water resistant rating - and a fully removable battery - in a relatively MODERN phone.
the sole purpose of companies getting rid of replaceable batteries in their phones is because they were trying to copy Apple.
every time these companies are making their newer devices more and more anti-consumer they are just copying what Apple is doing.
it is pretty widely known that the average Apple user upgrades their phone every 2.5 years (essentially whenever their battery no longer holds a charge, or if they broke their display or back panel).
a replacement back glass panel for almost ANY iPhone is a nearly impossible task to do and requires specialized laser to do - so this replacement costs nearly 300$.
a replacement display for almost ANY modern iPhone is also a nearly impossible task to do without the proper Apple certifications and serial number approvals by Apple - that alone make the whole replacement expensive because of additional hoops the repair technician's have to go through - so a screen replacement costs around 430$.
you can see how these numbers add up and make it basically not worth it to repair iPhones with broken displays or broken rear glass panels, which otherwise are still fully functioning very capable phones...
Samsung has began copying Apple's anti-repair tactics and soon the rest of the phone/tablet companies will too...
@@HoLDoN4Sec Tbh IP 54 is not water resistant. It's splash resistant.
@@Xirenec_ you are confusing IP44 and IP54...
IP 44 = resistant to water splashes from all directions + protection against solid objects over 1mm in size (some dust particles).
IP54 = resistant to low pressure jets of water from all directions + against solid objects over 1mm in size (some dust particles)
Not only batteries, laptops are coming with soldered RAMs, Storage, Processors etc. Also keyboards are glued thermally with plastic screws making it extremely difficult to remove and replace. Double RAM slots have become single now in many consumer models. If all these are not the outcome of greed, then I fail to understand what it is.
There are some advantages to soldering the RAM, like increased speed, but i'd rather have the slower RAM and be able to upgrade/swap it. Enterprise models i kinda understand, as they are generally replaced at a faster rate than consumer ones, and come with swap warranties.
eu already has drafts in place regarding the anti-consumer tactics in laptops. soldered ssd makes laptops fail completely at less than half their usual lifespan.
Yeah this keyboards in laptops are extremaly annoying to change. I literally had to use knife to remove plastic garbage and then hotglue new keyboard back. It works for 2+ years now so I guess glue is the way!
go pro and others have waterproof to 15m they all removeable batteries .
The issue with making laptops like that is you will most definitely have to implement slower exchange rates between shared components. You also have a choice as to what product you buy, if you want a device more accessible to upgrade or change parts, then you will probably go with a bulkier and sometimes more expensive model. The general population does not feel comfortable operating on their laptop’s internals
The EU singlehandedly changing the tech field in so many ways
Yeah that effect has a name: It’s called the Brussels Effect.
Multihandly*
Goodbye to water resistant phones😂😂😂😂😂
For all its faults and corruptions (like any country or organisation in this world) I do love lots of the things the EU is doing. They do seem to be the 'good' guys in a shitty world.
@@PSy84Someone didn't watch the video Sony had an IP68 phone with removable battery, Galaxy S5 was IP67 water resistant also
Nokia N95 - I used to have several batteries fully charged, cost very little money - out and about when a battery died, just chuck the next one in. Go away camping for days no problem.
Touch screen, Maps, everything.
So happy to hear about this. It's unfortunate, but true, that you have to force companies to be consumer friendly. I wish more countries would get out of bed with the companies, and start actually passing laws that favor consumers.
Creating devices that dazzle you with tech you’d never be able to create yourself isn’t consumer friendly?
@CharlesQuiros fair point but your forgetting that a device regardless should be repaired by all (if not consumer then atleast my local repair shop) artificially soft locking, manufacturing hard replacement parts (windows surface laptop for example), and telling consumers they have to buy a new device over repairing an older model that's less then a year old is absurd. I am glad the EU is doing this atleast it has made tech companies atleast make modifications that benefit everyone
Consider this: an IP65 rating would suit the needs of 99% of users out there. Glue is not needed to achieve that - a thin o-ring will get there just fine. Section off the battery compartment, pot the leads going out to serve the board/screen, and bobs your uncle. That allows screen to be installed with adhesives to preserve sleek appearance most have come to enjoy, and restores user access to the battery.
Facts: capitalism only works when accompanied by meaningful regulation with teeth.
The problem with that kind of laws is that they come way too late and never go far enough.
I could think of lots and lots of urgently needed regulations of all kinds.
In another post on this video I mentionned electroportative tools like drillers and saws that should be included in this replaceable batteries requirement law.
On another subjects there's agricultural tools and machines :
In the past farmers would do a lot of the maintenance on them. But also : modifications.
Today we have tools/machines in the fields that can't (physically but also by contract with the manufacturer) be modified or improved or adapted. It's very detrimental as each producer faces its own contraints, and from ancient times always had to do a lot of adaptations. It's very problematic now if you speak with some farmers that can't anymore find or adapt tools to their specific needs. It's also progres and innovation from the ground up that is in question. Those people know best how to produce than ingeniers in offices and computer designers.
As a kid I remember having a removable battery android and the disappointment I felt when upgraded to having a non removable battery sucked. I used to swap and charge my batteries and my phone would never die. We took a step back as a whole.
Having an integrated battery is not desirable. I would regularly change batteries and was perfectly content.
I can agree with you on that as I used to take a batter charger and spear batter in to school with me and if I was running out of charge or need to work with it I cunled just change it out on the fly. this is why I don't like change any of my tech that is not working as it just make more e waste for the environment and sometime is just a 1% increase in performance with the new tech that it just a moony sink, so my question to law makers is why are there so many company that don't allow to have a system for 3 party repairs that fallow a set guide lines.
Another thing is on the few occasions a phone crashes/seizes one can get it restarted by removal and re-insertion of the battery, I still have an old LG phone and it has crashed 4 times over the years, but fixed in less than a minute each time. My new Samsung crashed, I could not remove the battery and ended up having it to be sent off for 'repair.' I do not appreciate the arguments in favour of not having removable batteries. I think it is to make more money.
Be careful what you wish for. Batteries which are more integrated into the mobile phone does bring a few significant advantages. Sure it was initially an apparent advantage to have removable battery in the HTC Desire and the LG phone I replaced it with but I had to carry a replacement battery with me to get through the day. Until I bought a phone with sealed integrated battery which enabled a larger capacity faster charging batter enabled by removing the excess bulk of the more robust case required to safely enclosed a Li-ion battery and the chamber into which the battery is to be inverted. Both of which, add weight and bulk which doesn't contribute to the function of the phone.
Secondly, many high performance phones which charge high capacity batteries requiring speed charging benefit from sophisticated cooling as with this performance comes a need to manage that heat with close contact thermal control not easily achieved through the case of a removable battery, thus shortening the battery life. This isn't in the consumer interest surely
@@BarryHaegerSalesCoach fair point but speed charging your batteries will kill it's life faster tho. Improving thermal dissipation of the battery casing beats its purpose when the battery itself is on fire with that high charging current flowing in 🤔
Once again proving that big manufactures have to have pro-consumer features shoved down their throats before they are able to finally make positive changes. Thanks EU!
@absolutemadchad8637 yeh and then your iphone lock you out of some features, just because yes, In which way those the EU changes are affecting you and why?
In UK we will insist that phones are glued shut.
@@Never_unknown Brexit be like
Sad shame
@@Never_unknownHe said worldwide didn’t he?
Great topic, and great directives/regulations from the EU.
The "difficult to see consumers giving back batteries" part is trivial to solve: Money. You pay people for their batteries. That cost will obviously reflect in the purchase price, so it basically becomes a refundable (partial) deposit. This is how a number of European countries have long operated for recycling requirements in markets for other goods - glass bottles particularly. That's how it will be for these batteries, almost surely.
Removing replaceable batteries seems like one of the biggest trends in “planned obsolescence”. Where companies make products that don’t last as long on purpose so you inevitably have to purchase another. Apple not allowing security updates after a phone model is so many years old is another example of this. Happy to hear governments are starting to hold companies accountable for this in some way.
Wasn't there one where one of the IOS's the less "health" your battery has the more the phone becomes bottlenecked? Which would easily be fixed with just replacing a battery
I never thought I would give props to Apple for anything but if theres anything to give them props for it's updates. Last time I checked they were the only company giving out updates for more than 5 years. which compared to other manufacturers where you barely have 2 years is a win.
It is crazy considering while devices have gotten more integrated and less user servicable because Apple wants you to get the next iPhone instead, while at the same time theres less and less reason to get a new device since improvements today are tiny jumps and not leaps anymore.
@@SWUnrealI'm on a samsung that is more than 3 years old. Still getting updates. Definitely not just apple doing updates longer than 2 years.
@@mattsadventureswithart5764 I never said theres no company that doesn't give out updates for more than 2 years. I said last time i checked the only one doing more than 5 is apple although that's what I remember. There can be others like google that do more than 2
I love it. Stopping people from being able to make basic repairs in their own devices is insane.
Debt slaves only get abuse and death in this world.
I hope laws fix printers and ridiculous ink cartridges next :)
As insane as having designed obsolescence?
The ONLY reason we have to change lightbulbs is because the companies need us to keep buying more lightbulbs.
@@SanctuaryGardenLiving This. It is nuts how much waste and lost savings the average person is forced into simply because big businesses PAY the government(s) to keep their purposefully cut rate products the legal standard. Food, printers, phones, computers, cars, furniture, bulbs, clothes, HOUSES, literally everything. If something you own breaks, unless you dropped it from a high place onto a hard surface, IT WAS DESIGNED TO BREAK.
@@MyRealName I'd might recommend an Epson Ecotank printer. They seem to have some mixed reviews so I guess it's hit or miss, but I've had mine for at least 2 years periodically printing and the ink is still almost full. After I haven't printed in awhile I just make sure to go through the maintenance settings for cleaning and test the print, and it's been surprisingly good in my experience.
Go Pro cameras feature very high water resistance and are actively recommended for underwater use - yet have easily removable batteries.
Everything comes with a trade-off and smartphones skew way towards the compactness and portability end of that bargain. Every gasket, every door, every latch takes space.
Speaking of compactness, how about digital watches? After leaving the factore there is no chance of replacing the battery and maintaining waterproof characteristics.
@@weldonyoung1013those will also be covered by the law...
@@gabrielarrhenius6252 , maybe watches could be covered. But I've been using battery powered digital watches for over 4 decades, quality ones that last over 8 years. And every time I replace the battery or have a shop do it, the watch only work for a few weeks. The "glued" factory seal alway gets broken.
This might also happen to larger devices once the EU regularion comes into effect.
@@weldonyoung1013Do you mean smartwatch? Normal digital watches especially ones designed for diving are fully waterproof have replaceable battery. Only that you'll need a special tool to open the case and replace the gasket along with the battery to retain the water resistant.
Even if they make separate versions for EU and the rest of the world, I'd still be inclined to buy the EU variants purely on the 'maintenance' cost be considerably lower since battery replacement is generally the main thing I personally worry about on my phone. On a related note, I recently had my screen crack and I absolutely love my phone, so I sought to get the screen repaired, all places quoted the cost would be half the original MSRP of the phone, I was so confused and looked into how to do it myself and realized the problem, they use adhesive to glue the battery to the screen which makes replacing screens or batteries very difficult, it's just bad design that they are passing onto the consumer to eat the cost of.
If separate models exist they will support different radio band unfortunately
What will you do when you no longer have waterproof phone and are back to the days of buying a new phone that you can't transfer your data from?
I always love this Argument of "Apple wants safe repairs"
Like... i don't Care, what apple wants. I bought the device from them, it's my property, and if i want to go to the sketchy repair store next door, it's my right to do so lol
Everyone knows Apple's argument is bs for "I want to sell more devices". EU Should slam them with even more fines and force them to fix this mentality.
Why does this even have to be an argument? The concept of shilling for a company that will screw you just as much as the people who complain is so alien to me. This is beyond just repairing a phone. How can you not be bothered that some shitty company in America or China knows everything about you AND is turning a huge profit off of it? How can you support and even be affectionate towards a huge company? They make products. If you have use of that product, you buy it or use it in some way. Since there is a number of options, pick the one that best suits you. For some people that's Apple products. Perfectly reasonable, but _why_ would you get emotional about any of it?
But what if someone is injured by an unsafely repaired Iphone!?! You could get sued!
I mean you always can, the issue is Appe will void a warranty because who knows what that sketchy shop did to your phone
safe repairs, and thats why they wanted to charge a woman $475 to plug her laptop battery in properly,... pretty sure their only reason is money as everything they do is with the intention of having people spend more money... anyone who believes apple has their best interest in mind or any interest other than extracting as much money as possible from people has some serious issues.
Apple: "Our engineers have found a way to fit an entire desktop into your pocket"
Also Apple: "A removable battery is impossible"
😂😂😂😂
I wish people would pay really close attention to this EU law and how manufacturers are going to deal with it. Of course, they're going to tell us that it was their idea all along, that it's the next disruptive innovation they invented, and what not. There are way too many apologetics out there who believe every single word these companies utter. Everything is always completely impossible---until it is enforced. And then it's a non-issue all of a sudden. And still people keep on repeating the PR nonsense.
It's always the same old song: A capitalist doesn't need a reason to whine. All they need is someone who listens to them.
Not even a desktop. iOS is awful
yes, apple is evil and greedy. however, easily swapped batteries: waste space internally, add extra weight, add extra volume and make waterproofing harder to engineer for
More like "being consumer friendly is impossible"
I love how cell phones came standard with removable batteries, then it went away, now it must be regulated to come back. 🙂
I came here looking for this comment. Thanks 🙂
why do you love it?
@@UnlikelyToRemember
Use some common sense when using a cellphone!
Don't use it near water and you don't need to take with you to the WC or to the sea/swimming pool. You have no idea how many people use the cellphone and are inside the water when they are on the beach...
Don't eat/drink near it!
And listen to a video until the end before you comment. LG already solved that issue.
Because it was easier to manufacture that way.
Glad I wasn't the only one who remembers.
My Apple laptop had a replaceable battery. When Apple stopped selling those, I bought a brandless one. It was half the price and lasted twice as long. Last year the screen went black, and I had to retire the thing. I could not find a new, or even a refurbished laptop with a replaceable battery. I'm looking forward to the day I can replace it myself again.
Panasonic still makes them for outdoor/militairy usr, but they cost a fortune.
Remember the days when brands were proud of their craftsmanship and tried to make their products last as long as possible? LV suitcases anyone? Well those days are over and everything lasts shorter and shorter.
One great example is desk lamps. Something simple that everyone has and probably use the most without realizing it. Back in the day, I can change out the lightbulbs no problem. I had a floor lamp that lasted 15 years and died of old age and rusting. My ikea desk lamp lasted for 10 years with 2 bulb changes. Then I got a Philips lamps (it was the only brand I recognized in the store) At first it lasted quite long, 9 years with a bulb change in between (there was only one on/off button). Then it died and I got another Philips lamp which was LED and was touch sensitive. It lasted only 2 years, then the 3 subsequent Philips lamps (all touch sensitive) lasted for: 2, 1, 2 years in that order. Are you seeing what's happening? The 5 lamps were all Philips but their lifespan have become shorter and shorter. I mean, yeah, the LED lamps are way brighter but they also last a lot shorter simply because I couldn't change the lightbulb AND because they were all touch sensitive. The worst part is, even when I wanted to get a light bulb desk lamp, I COULDN'T because they no longer make it anymore or the shops I go to just no longer sell them. Isn't that exactly the same as smart phones? Theses manufacturers are making conscious decisions to phase out stuff that last longer and making stuff that last shorter.
*I DO TAILORING* I have a 1929 communist-era 7kg tailoring iron. The electrical connector broke - I walked 400m to the hardware shop and bought a new one for $2
In the west we were told the communists were backward and stupid - no, they just had a very VERY different philosophy, they wanted things to last and be repairable.
they cant fleece us for all our income if they gave us quality products
Water in our whiskey
@@piccalillipit9211 So communism good-ish
Once I helped the girl of my best friend transporting a 22+ year old (second- to fith hand) washing machine she purchased. I would never have bought that old, loud, ugly thing, but she just wanted to finish this point on her todo-list quickly. It served the couple and a lot of other people (Travel&work guests) another 12-15 years. Was a "Miele" but thats not important, because they dont produce machines that good anymore since decades. Nobody does.
I miss LG phones. They had so many bells and whistles, but the problem was that the company was unfocused and kept dropping many of their innovations except for the Hi-Fi DAC and multiple cameras, and great camera app and recording with so many manual settings which were game changers.
Yea even the cheaper phones they made were great I used a $80 LG I think it was the v40 for 3 weeks it had a fingerprint scanner and a good enough screen I had no problems with it.
They were very innovative. My wife had an LG G3 which was awesome and lasted many years and actually still works.
LG was so good.
also to add, durability and QC issues, i had theri g3 if im not wrong, dropped it by accident, display changes was so annoying the display kept not working
I remember the V20 I got back a few months after it released in '16, The selling point was that as a replacement to my S5, it too, needed a removable battery. I still have the spare battery and charger kicking around and the wall adapter is still in use. I think that phone lasted just under a year. the display was bad about ghosting if an image was left up for, say, an hour. Think navigation apps, etc. It could take hours for the ghost to go away fully. I dealt with that for awhile but what ended it was the modem lost sensitivity and the most signal I could get was 1 bar. as soon as I left the peak reception area I had zero signal. vzw took it back and swapped me into a S8
Having the company give a coupon for a new battery with the retrieval of an old one would be an easy way to motivate people to do it
In Germany they have something called Pfand. When you buy a bottle you give a small amount extra, and when you recycle the bottle you get that back. This concept might work great for batteries. Also this can be a way to get repeat customers.
a "core charge" like car batteries, or engines, alternators, etc.. there is discount to your new battery purchase if you bring in your old one for recycling/refurbishing. Similar concept
This! What a great idea.... You, I like you.
Changes away from user ability to repair was absolutely an intentional process of cost-cutting and forcing users into repair contracts.
This is why I've owned a Fairphone for over a year, and love it.
It is make things slimer as you dont need extra layer of plastic isolating rest of circutry. There is possibility to do sliible battery same as simcard have. either way its gonna be interesting what companies will come up with
I 100% believe that it was a way for manufacturers to shorten the lifespan of the products for the users. I am also old enough to remember the slim, waterproof phones WITH removable batteries! Phones have not gotten that much slimmer since they started sealing batteries into phones and I can actually remember a bunch of clever designs which kept the phone slim while still allowing the battery to be removed.
This is a great step forward and I’d happily take my battery to a drop off point.
Hardware is only part of it. We need better update policies and longer support. Planned obsolescence in action.
@@RandomPlaceHolderName Part of the same law package that makes replacable batteries mandotory also makes it manditory for software and security to be ensured for the lifetime of the device. Yes this "lifetime" will be messed with a lot but the EU is generaly pretty good at enforcing the spirit of the law and not the companies "creative" interpretation of it. It might even state that for mobile phones it would be atleas 5 years.
@@someonespotatohmm9513 Would be lovely to see. A phone with a replaceable screen and battery could last a decade, especially with performance stagnating over the past 5 years or so.
@@RandomPlaceHolderName I think the phone that comes the closest is the fairphone.
@@someonespotatohmm9513 Aye, their website says updates until 2031 which is fantastic but €700 is waayyy out of my price range. I also really don't need those specs.
Up until about 5 years ago, I always had phones with user replaceable batteries, my last one was a Galaxy Note 4, after that phone broke finding a new phone with a replaceable battery was next to impossible. I am 100% sure it was a case of planned obsolescence, how else can they continue to ask over $1,000 for a new phone? Coincidentally, when they took away replaceable batteries, they also raised the prices to $1,000 and higher.
they could afford it because the demand rose after that yeah.
it's more of a gullible thing than an obsolete thing. It's not so much getting people to pay $1,000 for each new model, but the fact that people shell out $1,000 for each new model when first they can't afford it anyway, and second, each new model is not even an improvement on the previous model, but it almost always has less features and is less repairable. If people would just factory reset their old phone instead of buying a new one, the old one is just as fast in most cases, and sometimes is better having features that are gone from new ones.
@@darrylkinslow5613that's only true for some cases, not for the phones where there was already extensive battery degradation (always kept at 100% or always severely depleted below 40% and/or kept/used in hot ambient temperature places) or when Apple secretly throttled computing power to "protect consumers" by making their older batteries last longer.
Thing is even with the few phones still on the market with a removable battery like my Alcatel Glimpse running Android 10 GO Edition I keep as a backup/hiking phone, the specs are not great, and at least for this Alcatel model finding a new battery has been next to impossible(same for my Alcatel KaiOS flip phone I bought to mess around with), and I'm wondering if manufactures will artificially limit the spare batteries they keep in stock, and also limit the amount of time they will keep them in stock, thus leading consumers to lower quality 3rd party batteries that can sometimes be sus, or they will just giving up, and end buying a new phone when they really don't need too, thus leading to not much of a change in things.
The note 4 is what pushed me to downgrade to a flip phone. The fact a company can deny anything wrong, despite nearly 80% of users having battery issues (THEY LITERALLY BLEW UP!) And outright REFUSED to support their customers was the last straw for me.
I always used android and I remember 2018 being the year I could no longer find a good phone with a removable battery. I had a removable battery all throughout middle school and early highschool and always had extras. I've had so many people say to me "haha arent you happy your battery doesnt pop out anymore?" and I reply "no im not happy that I now have to constantly recharge my phone and need to spend hundreds of dollars to fix an issue that I used to be able to fix myself"
I remember a time when people complained about having to carry small, spare batteries for a few dollars when they went on a trip. Now the same people buy large and heavy power banks that cost several times as much and are still happy if they work longer than the end of the warranty.
Now I'm angry at the manufacturers for removing the memory card slot. More than once, a copy of data on the card has saved me, from losing them, and I also use the most capacious cards, where you have to pay dearly for that amount of memory in your phone.
hundreds of dollars? bro, it's like $50-$80, depends on a country
@@WuxonnyTV no. replacing a battery alone can be upwards of $100. And that's before its corroded everything inside your phone. When a battery starts having an issue in a phone that's removable you can easily remove it before it messes up the rest of the phone. With an iphone, you just have to hear it sizzle. Im speaking from personal experience wt both iphones and androids on this. And that's assuming iphone support doesnt try and just refuse to fix it and make you think its your fault and that you need to buy a new iphone. I had to complain like five times before they would respect my warranty
Remember in school when the battery would become lose and you just folded a piece of paper and put it in between the battery and the phone lid CTFUUUUUU life used to be so simple man we truly are in hell
@@WuxonnyTV Try and fix a new iphone for 50-80 dollars. The parts would not even sell for that little.
Germany already has a well working refund system for bottles. We also have a return system for empty non-rechargaeble or brocken rechargeble batteries as well es printer cartrages. Its not that doing wast separation and reuse is a new system. There are plenty working example like aluminium cycling (many aluminium articles are made from a huge percentage so recircled aluminium.
Apple now has a chance to sell their batteries separately 😂
And, for an outrageous price, and patent some ridiculous attribute, like rounded corners, or something, and forbid any 3rd party from manufacturing it without facing huge lawsuits for patent infringement. Yup, they're devastatingly clever, and will skirt around that law any chance they get. Or, they'll simply double the price of their already overpriced phones, and the sheep will gladly buy it, then Samsung will just follow suit.
The EU will go after them.@@theclearsounds3911
At the cost of selling more phones... The whole market is super saturated now anyway, past its pinnacle.
Don't give them ideas 😂
with an extra special Apple Battery Charger 🤩
These changes were definitely motivated by profit. Removing access to the the battery, headphone jack, getting rid of the charging bring being included in the phone packaging.. I'd love to see how this plays out in the next few years.
It was motivated by profit, and assisted by consumers. People demand thinner and sleeker looking phones and the easy path for manufacturers to achieve it, is to cram everything together with adhesives. With the first phones of this design, consumers didn't complain enough or just bought those phones anyway, so manufacturers continued that practice and now we're here.
Of course manufacturers take the path with largest profits if you let them, that's why every consumer should support the "right to repair", it gives control back to consumers to say "hey, we don't like you doing this, find a better solution".
To be fair removing the headphone Jack ended up being good because it caused Wireless headphones to exponentially improve. Now you can buy wireless buds for $2, less finicky than wires within only 7 years.
Battery technology however hasn’t changed in 40 years (still stuck on llithium battery)…
@@theanonymouschicken169Sorry but i like to have audio without having to charge my headphones every 8 hours, so i still use wired headphones (i also use my wired headset with wireless compatibility and the best of both worlds, recent bluetooth headphones doesn't work with my psvita sadly 😅)
charger not being packed in is not too bad, because you don't need a million cables and chargers of the same type. Which is why the EU have made it so there needs to be a universal charging standard, USB-C at the moment. So it doesn't matter if you don't get one supplied, you can just use what you already have.
@@FunnyParadox most humans don't use headphones for 8 hours straight, so charging them is a non-issue. If you're special, then that's a bummer for you, but then it's clearly so important to you, so you can just prioritize a headphones jack over anything else and buy a phone that has it, because they still exist.
FINALLY, a step in the right direction. We all need to get together and pass laws like this to stop corporate greed and to stop letting corporations get away with screwing the customer. Great job guys, I hope this is the start of a new trend. Hey, shout out to Loius!
Forcing all phones to have user replaceable batteries when most customers don't care is not progress.
@@Michael-Archonaeustell that to my 4 years old pixel phone where the battery is now half of what it used to be... And there's no easy way for me to figure this out. Most consumers don't care because there's no other option "it is what it is, situation".
What other solution would be out there to make the consumer life less dependent on profitable and questionable manufacturer decisions?
Absolutely. Difficulty of sourcing and replacing batteries has been a large reason I've bought most of my new phones. I hope a side effect of this is some level of standardisation that makes it easier to source batteries for devices for a longer period of time
I kinda wish companies could just do whatever as long as it’s not harming anyone, and that consumers would be more ready to switch brands instead of being so complacent. Like, instead of purchasing a phone that has what is desired - though not as popular - laws get made to change phones? Kinda weird, but maybe that’s just me. Not to say I don’t like the changes, I do, I just don’t get why people don’t just switch to, say, the Samsung Galaxy XCover 6 Pro, I guess. Or the Fairphone 4, that has a removable battery as well… I don’t get it.
@@RafaelAcurcio Vote with your wallet by buying something different like the Samsung Xcover 6 Pro.
Don't buy phones with non-replaceable batteries and then complain about manufacturers making more of those phones, when you literally told them to!
The phone in the thumbnail is the LG G5 which i used to use like a days back but it was a pretty good phone back in the day
Other computer companies that weren't mentioned, like Dell, Lenovo, HP, ASUS, etc. will be interesting to see how they manufacture laptops in the future. I remember older laptops like the Dell Precision series that used to have removable and even extended battery packs. This will make repair/maintenance a whole lot easier.
I can say for Lenovo - while they stopped using external removable batteries around 4 years ago, the internal batteries are still very easy to replace - a dozen of standard PH screws, maybe some clips, but nothing like glue or some other tricks. The main issue with most laptop brands is the availability of OEM batteries. I have a couple of 5-7 years old laptops that have perfectly good performance for my tasks, but you can only get ‘compatible’ batteries for them from china, or hope to find some new old stock ones from eBay praying it’s not a scam
@@miaso130those old Lenovo laptops didn't just have two batteries. They had a removable and internal battery. Meaning you could replace the battery while the machine was on. You could bring enough batteries to last a week outside.
Another this is that now buying and second hand or super expensive laptop will be much easier decision cause you don't really need to be concern about battery replacement if needed well you should be a bit concern but not as much as this days 😂
@@holski77thats sick
@@bar506 I'm actually typing on one of those Lenovo Thinkpads right now! 😁
Cant wait to hear how Apple is gonna market a replaceable battery as brave game changing decision they lead the way in for the industry.
...and then we'll have herds of fan bois online adamant that apple invented the replaceable battery
The ibattery
Don't forget it gonna presented to their consumers/sheep in obnoxious rotating phone CGI describing each battery component that dosent even new tech from 10 year ago while claiming they care and pioneer in green earth zero waste or something
They will just make a shit battery that only they can replace at high cost
replaceable iphone batteries are going to cost as much as the phone itself. the phone comes with one but if you want more it will be prohibitively expensive.
Well, okay, not as much as an iPhone, that's hyperbolic, but their current business model relies on people prematurely buying a brand new phone to replace the old one just because the battery wore out. Batteries are going to be expensive enough to maintain that same level it income for them or close to it And they are going to have to be egregiously expensive to offset people not flippantly buying new iPhones anymore just because the battery sucks after a year or two.
The main reason I upgraded to my current phone was due to the previous phone's battery wearing out. Modern highend smartphones would be relevantly useful for at least a half decade if not for battery wear. User replaceable batteries will open up the 2nd hand market, entice users to keep phones longer, and likely result in new phone prices decreasing as they compete with the 2nd hand market.
It isn't hard to find a place to do battery replacement for a smartphone. (yes, of course, not as easy as doing it yourself - but still better than buying an entire new device).
Miss my LG V20 removable battery glad this will come back
They definitely progressed unchangeable batteries for profit. There was a time when phones were so small they fitted in the palm of your hand, they had changeable batteries, and were waterproof. I get that todays phones have much more advanced features and tech, but I also know that batteries have also became more advanced. As for waterproofing, I have a set of digital two way radio's I use in the mountains that have changeable batteries and are fully waterproof, dust proof, and extremely robust.
yeah the notion that this change happened for non-profit driven reasons in the first place is nonsense.
Agree 💯
And you think with this law they won’t have a better chance to increase profits?
This is basically a new step in the climate change agenda putting in more millions (forced by law), into the Industry they’re pushing.
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Good point, I'd be interested to know if they are as thin as a modern day smartphone though. No ones arguing that devices cant be all the things your radios are. Just not in the form factor most people want their phone to be. Not without making some compromises that is.
The argument from phone manufacturers is about the _thinness_ of the devices, not the overall size. It's still a dumb argument - I'd willingly have a thicker device that doesn't feel like it'll shatter if I fumble it onto carpet with a swappable battery than the thinnest blade of glass and metal humanly possible. Hell, with a thicker overall device, the batteries might also increase in capacity.
This is a huge win. Phasing out user replaceable batteries was nothing more than anti consumer. There's no other way to spin it
Well there is also the system upgrade support. Extremely few decices go beyond 3 years, and it is bloody rare to get 4 years of upgrades.
Well there goes water proof
We can thank Apple for that. They started the trend when they were in the race for "thinnest phone ever".
@@mr.tomfoolery9159Nope. We had waterproof phones back then as well. The video explains how Samsung and Sony both had waterproof phones with removable batteries.
@@mr.tomfoolery9159 The irony of this comment. Drop your iPhone in to water and it's dead for good. Drop some Nokia phone in to water, open it up to get some air, good to go in a matter of 12-24 hours.
Planned obsolescence and paying extra to get your phone fixed is what it was all about and not waterproofing.
How many times did you have to repair e.g. your phone's battery? Older models vs. newer ones.
My own personal experience:
older = zero
newer = 4 times.
I actually agree with this and I am SO glad you brought up Rossman. I was even about to say the S5, and then he showed it haha. Adhesive is *NOT* the only way to waterproof a device. This is a lie propagated by manufacturers so they can keep using a method that is cheap, and makes repairs more difficult to entice more purchases. Gaskets have *always* been enough to create a water-tight seal as long as they are not compromised. The S5 was designed nearly 10 years ago. There have been significant improvements to to waterproofing that can make gaskets IP68 since then. The sole reasoning for using adhesive is profit.
My go pro has a change able battery that clicks in, that’s fully waterproof! I’ve taken that 15m down before
You probably forget that S5 lost its rating after removing the back cover a few times.
Case in point, Waterproof watches .......
The S5 was a terrible waterproofing.
Still using my LG G4 as a media player. They should also make a law that permit turning off the display of any phone and tablet while youtube, crunchyroll, disney plus, prime, etc play a video to you can listen without watching and not draining your battery.
Just my personal opinion. 10-20 years ago, the producers didn't had to include non-removable battery to make customers order a new phone, because phones used to get exponentially better year after year. After around 2012-2015, the processing power of the units started getting only marginally better, so the only reason to change it was if it got broken, and making unremoveble batteries was the easiest way to make it useless after 2 years.
Yeah, and later on they start degrading the software updates. Changeable batteries will not affect too much in the behalf of a user. It may just shorten the software updates in order to maintain the number of sales, if that scenario occurs - just my personal opinion.
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@@alexsterijev Also Apple being the main culprit here. I remember having an old Ipad 2 that could be used without a problem as a 2nd screen for my pc, run basic games and other things without a problem. Now except the fact that they dropped support and most apps won't run just because they force the developers to ask for newer IOS versions, hence locking you from having a functional device anymore, all the apps that still run, just run horribly. Anti consumer practice at it's best.
100%. I remember the 2000s/2010s when every generation of smartphone was so much better than the one that came before it. Nowadays it's slightly thinner bezels or a better fingerprint sensor. But I couldn't tell the difference between a phone that was released yesterday and a phone that was released 3 years ago.
This is not an opinion dude XD
Not sure what this is gonna look like, but I think this is a good thing, feels like we’ve been getting screwed by these companies for years.
Totally! But as someone who was born in 1990 and used devices with replaceable batteries a lot, I can say I NEVER bought a replacement battery. Instead I just bought the new shiny thing. So, I don't think this is as profound of a change as many believe it is. But still, I'm all for it, more freedom to consumers is a good thing.
Before your battery would last a week. Now it lasts a day... Having a laptop thats perfectly functional that becomes a desktop 4 year after being bought should not be considered normal
@@PhazonBlaxor I guess it all depends with how you were brought up, but many people and including my family were keeping the phone and replacing the battery. It is also more common in poorer areas as well
@@PhazonBlaxor Maybe consumer habits won't change much, but at least your old device can continue its life in someone else's hands, instead of becoming e-waste. A fresh battery and it's good to go for the next person.
Action cameras are waterproof despite replaceable batteries
8:03 I think those changes were motivated by profit resulting in anti consumer products: I loved replaceable batteries and I keep choosing smartphones that had this feature until that was possible. Carrying around a spare battery and swap it quickly when needed was super convenient.
I prefer thinner phones. I have never needed to replace my iphone's and ipad's batteries.
@@eckeewell ofc you havent, because you buy a new phone so often just like they want you to do lmao a removable battery is not going to make the phone bulkier it never did this is not new phones USED TO HAVE a removable battery then the anti consumer bs started with glass backs, curved screen to make it even weaker and so you cant even put on a case that protects the screen and the worst of all intensionally terrible software so your phone will be slowed down on purpose so you buy a new and now ofc they dont even give you updates anymore after a few years so that you HAVE TO buy a new phone for no reason.
@@MV-ri7zu well my last iphone lasted me for 7 years without a case and I'm still using my 9 year old ipad air 2. I don't have an iphone now because they are too expensive here, like 3 - 4 times. but if I was living in a first world country where android and apple phones were similarly priced (about 900 dollar band, not iphone pro max or something) I'd only use Apple products.
@@eckee I dont get it do you just not use your phone at all? How tf was the battery life enough for you even after just 4 years or 5 or 6? Every smartphone ive ever had have been near unusable after about 3 years I would have to constantly charge them like 2-3 times a day + overnight
@@MV-ri7zu I mean same thing with me laoptops and any lithium battery devlces. Charge it up to 90% max and don't let it drop below 10. Don't use while charging and don't let the battery overheat. I mean sure sometimes I had to fully charge and fully deplete and sometimes overheated but generally I'm being careful of these things.
Also don't use chinese brands lol. Xiomi etc are shit
Making the batteries replaceable is a good step forward. But notice something, I replaced my smatphone 2 years ago, had it for 6 years maybe? The battery and all physical components were all fine, but updates for the system stopped. Meaning, at some point, I couldnt run some apps anymore. I remember the banking app was no longer working. Making all hardware easly replaceable is a good step forward, but software is another issue.
Politicians are doing something for real... that's a change we all want.
The EU is currently passing many welcome regulations.
Some would say working in the interests of the population rather than the corporations is "Unamerican"
I'm glad that Apple is now finally being forced to stop their anti consumer practice of not allowing to sideload apps
Imagine politicians actually helping their people. American politicians need to take notes
na there’s always some evil lurking in the background, even if it appears good for us.
Probably more battery production by billionaires
At my local recycling plant the employees were allowed to take home any thrown out electronics we found.
There was a guy I worked with there who would collect all the electronics he could find, repair them, and sell them on Facebook.
The company didn't have any ways to properly dispose of electronics since it was a smaller recycling plant so they would just end up in the garbage if we didn't take it home.
I ended up getting a raspberry Pi and 3 phones out of it
even if you could recycle them, isn't reusing way better for the environment anyways?
In which country?
In my local recyclement plant, the broken electronics container is open so you can walk in and grab whatever people threw away. Brought an unused cheap stereo setup to the plant and a guy said if he couls have it.
@@erixccjc2143 Yes, but it's probably only a maximum of 20% that actually can be reused, and takes human effort. (I'm no expert though)
@@Maelt_ what you can reuse you reuse, and the rest you recycle. Just saying you should be able to do that everywhere
One side effect of non-replaceable batteries that I don't see mentioned much, is that we have no way to completely turn off our devices. It used to be that the only way you could be sure that nobody was listening, watching, and otherwise collecting your data was to remove your battery. Once they sealed the batteries in, it became impossible to ever be truly off-grid. While most of the data collection is commerce driven, for some people, in some parts of the world, this data could seriously impact one's freedom (especially in the country that produces most of these devices).
here we go again with paranoia.
@@hydrohasspoken6227 I've been in many war room sessions, and believe me when I say we leave our phones in a locker before the meetings.
It’s not paranoia but then again your probably not important enough for them to care
In case you didn't know - if someone want to listen to you he will be able to hear you
even if the battery of your phone is unplugged.
Look it up.
@@yoshy2628wasn't there something like this with PC motherboards ?? Even when switched off data collection was done with CMOS battery 🤔 my memory is bit hazy on this.
I had an LG G5 with a replaceble battery. I would charge a spare battery in a charging cradle and just change them out when I was running low. The LG G5 was amazing for its time.
Tbh, this is 100% warranted. Not only is a user replaceable battery better but also carries less danger as the battery can be taken out in case of a malfunction. I had not too long ago sent my old phone (which I still use) to the store to replace battery as it heated up and shut down the phone.
Sending it to the store is fine by me, but having a replacement battery I could simple pop in a new one, dispose of the old one. It's safer, more efficient and better in every way (I guess not for the corporations lol)
What's stopping companies from charging a 10x premium on that line of products, thereby basically forcing you to stick with permanent battery phones?
I worry that people will simply throw the old batteries away. People nowadays are less likely to toss an entire phone.
@@ryanthompson3737 Silly question.
@@ryanthompson3737 3rd party sellers from china exist. Before the permanent batteries, apple phones were a huge market for chinese batteries.
@@ryanthompson3737 because there will not be a line of products with permanent batteries
Finally, I’m tired of losing all my rechargeable tech stuff after 3-5 years over this exact reason.
Good now they would be forced to invent a more evil way to suffocate last gen devicea
And now higher prices for the battery option 10/10 Apple they totally gonna screw u over.
You get what you paid for better hope it’s worth a extra 500 considering Apple has to make design changes
This is why I love Apple passive aggressive is how you deal with this. Why force companies to change their own tech don’t like it don’t buy it
@@Sofus-o3n people would never understand this, but let them pay more for it now.
@@Sofus-o3n whilst its very sweet that you 'love' apple - it's just a shame they don't love you back - they are notoriously anti consumer, they have a track record of deliberately, and arguably fraudently, blocking repairs on their products. Plus apple have been increasing the prices of the phones for years anyway - the original iPhone was $400.
They will only increase the price if YOU keep paying too much for their phones - people like you actually allow them to charge $500 dollars MORE - because you'll still buy it anyway.
Stop giving Apple money, it really is that simple. I have, I got screwed over by them, shame that Steve Job is not around anymore to be held accountable for the first iPhone
Better late than never, the right to repair and maintain the device you paid for should have been forced on to companies from the beginning. So much unnecessary waste because of the direction things have went over the last 15 years, mostly thanks to Apple...
whats crazy is that the average apple user also often proclaims to be an environmentalist.
@@Nbomber
Never stops being hilarious when self-proclaimed environmentalists live in luxury and buy top-of-the-line products, even before you factor in Apple's sillyness.
Not sure why we in EU even accepted Apple here.
I'd love to see the (theoretical even) scientific article on just how many tons of materials were wasted by global companies using non-repairable (i.e. bad) designs, and how much wasted energy, heat, and labor was put into manufacturing such products, including how they failed prematurely due to these design decisions.
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The question is smart watches. I like my galaxy watch 6 classic the way it is cause if they do removable batteries on those too who wants to wear a super fat watch on their wrist
Had my XCover 6 Pro a year now. I bought it BECAUSE it has a removable battery and I do NOT need an 8k camera. Camera is just fine. I'm old school. I like it.
I miss replaceable batteries, and will be happy to see the return to this. I do think these design changes were just to sell more phones. It will probably be years before I change my phone again, but am looking forward to seeing some replaceable battery models.
So sad that LG didn't seem to understand the importance of wooing influencers and software updates. Their phones were truly groundbreaking and had so many firsts that were denounced as gimmicks but later found their way into competitors' devices and suddenly became must have features.
When LG had a removeable battery, I thought they were onto something. It was the beginning of something great and then, they went down hill.
@@fearless6947 I loved my G5, but the way they did it was honestly horrible. the "chin" was not a great design at all.
Lg really did make some cool stuff, the lg wing is still a dream phone for me to own one day
I've loved every LG phone I've had. They're always quirky and different, not afraid to try something new. I didn't like the back-buttons at first, but they really grew on me. I'm sad other phones didn't adopt that feature.
Yup. Loved my V30. Borderline perfect feature set.
My Note 4 died on me after 4.5 years because of the battery. Even though I no longer got software updates, it still chugged along smoothly until the battery started giving out. I couldn't find a vendor with a good or reliable battery replacement option so I had to upgrade to the Note 9. When i got my Note 9, I learnt my lesson and decided to be very careful with my phone as I was determined to make it last at least 5 years. I am 4 months away from hitting the 5 year mark. Samsung stopped the security updates last year, but my battery still gives me almost a full days worth of charge depending on screen time. Despite its age, my phone is still very quick and smooth. I will be mindful of the battery and push this phone for as long as I can. The planned obsolescence with the software & battery is so wasteful. Add to that removing the 3.5mm jack in the name of "saving space" whilst pushing hundreds of dollars worth of bluetooth earphones and headphones. Removing the SD card slot so they can upsell you just a little more storage space for hundreds more. This is a game, and we are the objective.
Man you’re on another level. I can’t imagine getting a phone to last that long. I wish my LG V20 could have lasted that long. But it just became so buggy and battery life was so unlivable that I had to give it up after about 2 years.
@@IDJMK 6 years and going strong on a heavily used S7, battery still at 85% of original capacity.
It's easier when you know how to manage lithium batteries.
@@Mrs.Thatcher its only 500ribu for my s10e last time i checked
I got my Sony Xperia 10 III with sdcard slot and headphone jack 😁
You can activate the protect battery feature in the phone which limits the charge to 85%. This extends the battery lifespan and if you are going to be away for a charger for a while, you can momentarily disable it to charge the phone up to 100%. Also, be mindful of letting the battery percentage to drop below 20%. Staying in the middle is the safest for the battery. Good luck
Phones were sleek and thin with batteries too lol. My early Asus Zenfone was very thin for example.
I volunteer at a Repair Cafe and the amount of items that are designed to break when attempting repairs is huge. I have come across items that have one or two screws and the rest are fragile clips, special tools or welded in so you can't get it out. Luckily I know a few tricks myself but it has taken years to learn them all.
Because people is stupid. You can make coffe with a moka and will last forever. Also the coffee will be better.
@@michelangeloc.4265 yeah how strange peopel use dishwasher. wash it yourself, it's cleaner. some peopel realy use washing machine. can you belive it? i mean just go to the river, it's free wather. i don't use any lamps anymore. i just make a fire. you are right, these peopel cant user their brain. making their own problems. irony off
Biggest annoyance for me is short cables that tear or break when opening the device, and are situated in a manner that makes them a pain to plug and unplug.
The way they seal the devices is even worse than using custom batteries.
I remember a friend of mine whose laptop in our high school days had a removable battery, and can still be used when plugged to a charger without it. Always wondered why I never saw those kinds of laptops nowadays
I had one of those about 5 years ago, they still might exist, just rare.
Because they were bulky as hell. I did have one. Even the weight with no batery is not even comparable to a modern laptop.
My current aging laptop has the common design of its time with a battery pack near the hinge and ability to run without . I haven't cut the pack open, but shape suggests it contains some 18650 cells wrapped in a proprietary plastic shell . Laptop weight is dominated by steel reinforcements inside, though it also features other discontinued features such as a replaceable main drive and a DVD drive . Choosing a replacement in today's market is hard .
Not as big of a deal, some laptops have a software option to disconnect the battery and be used without it even if it's still in place. Also, usually it's pretty easy to replace, you only need a philips screwdriver. It sucks when manufacturers make it impossible to fix things, that's a different case, but the laptop battery situation is bearable :)
removable batteries in laptops is so great when the laptop is your main machine, you just remove it and permanently leave the laptop plugged in with no damage to the battery so it's still shiny new for the times you need to take the laptop somewhere
I can not imagine the future where Apple sell you the battery for 499
EDIT: To make myself clear I'm not an Apple user, It's just me surprise that a company can be so greedy selling a battery for 499 (eventually)
In Apple's realm, sure but the Right To Repair for practically every small business will make those charges kill Apple for marketing removable batteries because no one would want to and the risk of after market parts but still usable on Apple devices will make Apple think twice how to compete against Android with their very open end and easy to use OS
Basically yes they can, and there would be people stupid enough to pay, but sometimes quality isn't meant to be super expensive
That's still only half the price of a new iPhone, though ^^ and I doubt they can afford to do so without getting replaced by generic brands.
... forgot INFLATION...lol.. $2499.. and breaks warranty!!!
Imagine Apple selling a $999 battery for an iphone with drm chip that prevents installing generic batteries
@@YoloTub3 It's scary that this is something that they would do
Tying the life of the product to the component with the shortest lifespan was definitely deliberate.
the EU is singlehandedly saving technology from going into a downward spiral of non-reusable or non-repairable and proprietary hell.
even a broken clock is right 2 times a day.
A co z samochodami elektrycznymi ? Wyobraź sobie, że ue ma zamiar zabronić napraw karoserii w samochodach ! Są takie projekty !
@@morepowerr If it wasn't for the EU, European countries would be the same shit show as the US. Pipe down.
@@morepowerrA broken clock is right 2/86,400 times a day, so only 0.0023% of the day. By saying "even a broken clock is right 2 times a day" without context you make it seem more significant then it really is.
@@Marshark50 In the contest even someone or thing that makes mistakes a majority of the time can do something useful from time to time.( examples - Clumsy smurf, Launchpad Mcquack, Wile E Coyote, Urkal, "Screech" from save by the bell )
Glad to hear this tbh, I used to do phone repairs a lot and it used to be quite easy, but it seems like companies are just adding more and more (what feels) superfluous parts, so I just stopped bothering cause it used to be like if you knew how to repair one phone you could probably figure out how to repair most on the market, but now its all just so convoluted. Absolutely hated the non-removable batteries though, like one of the most common things I saw (aside from broken screens) was inflated/leaking batteries, and since most people don't know how to get into the phones now to replace them it just goes to creating more waste. I've met people who don't even realize phones CAN be repaired, so they just throw em out and buy new ones. Just imo there's no reason, no excuse, why an average person shouldn't be able to swap out a battery. It just feels so stupid and so anti-consumer
At first I was a bit skeptical, but as hardware innovation slows down, it is more important to have repairable phones and it makes sense for new innovations to shift to design (such as making removable batteries feel premium)
Do you think phone manufacturers will just use this as a marketing scheme to sell the new hype of "easily replaceable battery" phones?
@@mwudu1219Obviously.
The truth is nobody REALLY cares about removable batterys. No one really cares about fix your phone. The people just buy another one phone every year or less before they break. People value much more a new phone than your physical features.
@@samuelhaidu850 No, lots of people care about that. Many people buy new Macbooks and Iphones simply because the battery in the old one is crap, those older devices still work perfectly otherwise.
@@samuelhaidu850 For now yes, but if phones continue to be slow in hardware department, then there is no meaning in buying a new phone every time anymore.
Well done. Not sure if I was ever interested in the topic but genuinely enjoyed the video and background music so much that I almost took a nap while listening.
I remember a few years ago
LG launched a flagship called lg Optimus G
It had 2 versions
Regular and active (water proof )
The active had a removable battery while regular version did not
LG basically had the phone completely sealed and then the battery module completely sealed except for the three pins and that way everything could get wet including the gold pins. Water would get up inside the phone but it wouldn't really affect it
makes total sense to be honest, already for some time its no longer necessary to upgrade your phoneif you just use it for basic necessities like whatsapp, maps , youtube. the increase in device performance doesnt really improve the user quality as much anymore. so not having to buy a new phone when your battery is messed up id rather just buy a new battery and replace it myself without having to go to a samsung service center
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I'm honestly fine with my phone being a little thicker if this means getting more control over what's inside of it.
Right? I don't recall ever saying "omg my phone is way too thick I cannot bear to use it" The very idea that a phone has to get thinner and thinner is a goal of manufacturers, not the consumer
S5 is thinner than S23
This is fantastic! I've been wondering how long the present insanity of disposable devices could continue. Why has it taken so long for any major governmental body to act on this?
I always thought that having batteries non removable from the phone was a dumb idea.
Whoop whoop 🙌
The batteries have always been removable, people just lack basic skills
@@BMWROYALand breaks your warranty for most.
i always thought so it meant your phone could still be technically on when off or remotely turned on whenever
I've used LG G5 because I had the same thoughts as you, worst phone purchase of my life
I remember when the LG G5 with its interchangeable battery came out. In my opinion it was revolutionary, maybe too much for that period. In terms of usability, carrying the replacement battery instead of a bulky power bank is definitely easier, not to mention the fact that you don’t need any cables to connect as it would happen with power banks. The modularity, which could be applied to various types of products might improve the user’s personalization and that might be an incentive to help spread this practice, since the main aim is to control the flow of waste.
LG 20 was the last flag ship - removable batteries was standard in the past.
In any case... it is disgusting move of all the mobile companies that just followed suit on this utter depravity of no change of the mobile battery.
While I agree that the G5 design was innovative, that phone sucked. It was my first smart phone purchase and that thing bricked on me. I replaced it under warranty three times. After that phone I gave up replacing my battery, but I am happy to hear repairing your own device is making a comeback.
@@anthonynonapplicable6045bootloader loop? Same thing happened with the G4 but now im on my V30 since 2018 and still running with no issues. Too bad LG stopped making phones.
G5. oh man, great phone. Tv / apliance remote control built in with IR sensor.
@@theuncanspan Yes! That was the failure. Fuck man, bringing back some awful memories now. Happy to hear they eventually worked it out, sadly too late. I was ride or die LG until that G5. My LG flip phone lasted forever! It's partly why I waited so long to get my first smart phone. Damn, I wanted to love that G5 so bad.
I went through a few LG G5s. The main attraction was it was basically the only phone left on the market that had a changeable battery. It was still very well specced for it's day, and still perfectly usable today - still as capable as any current mid-range phone. They didn't have to make any compromises to accommodate the battery, nor was it less safe. That's all malarkey. Unfortunately LG doesn't make phones any more, but I'm sure somebody would make a killing if they made an updated version of the same design.
It was a flawed phone and the add on peripherals were pretty useless but at least LG was trying something different. Sadly sales were poor so they went back to classic design in G6 G7 G8 G9 but sales kept falling. They still command like 15% of the US market like number 3 behind Apple and Samsung but couldn't make money so gave up. G5 was a good phone but no software support.
@@jonfreeman9682 Yeah I agree. It was supposed to be modular in some way, but they didn't follow through. Same with the dual-screen accessory that they tried with the v60/velvet. Great idea - poor execution. People blame poor marketing - but I think they did their best with what they were given. It was attempt at building an 'ecosystem' but there wasn't really the appetite for it. They're too busy building dishwashers.
The G5 itself was good - but it did have heating issues. They're good for about 3 years out of the box, but they have a thermal paste issue that would cause the CPU to overheat the screen, once the paste wore out. It can be fixed, but it's barely worth it.
@@frankcooke1692 I remember the G4 leather backed phone had heating and bootloop issues that cost the company a lot of goodwill so customers gave up on LG and passed on G5. They never recovered. Other companies like essential phone and Moto mods tried quasi modular design but costumers rejected it. I don't think it was poor marketing but just poor design poor build quality lousy software support that did them in. You know LG was actually top 3 biggest feature phone manufacturer before Android then when Android came out they slowly lost it all. But they're still true innovators in my mind. 👏
@@jonfreeman9682 Yeah I totally forgot about the class-action against LG. It counts. But Samsung also had their own debacle with Galaxy phones catching fire - and they're still in the market.
LG pioneered a lot of design features that are now taken for granted. The converse of Apple which takes credit for innovations they didn't earn. And LGs were cheaper than their competitors - there was no ridiculous brand premium.
LG G series were great phones.
It's just the way the market is, generally reviewers don't review, recommend for the everyday user, they're videos are feed by algorithms and sponsors for certain products. Then a large chunk of the consumers purchase either x or y and disregard z. Other factors too like availability, marketing, etc come into place but as mentioned, people only hear about a couple phones and just go with that.
Hope they do this for all electronics, for example smart tv replacements screens and parts readily available for home repair.
A lot of people get a new phone after around two years because they are no longer happy with the battery life.
It's definitely in the interest of the manufacturer to keep this up and prevent swappable batteries.
Glad to be an EU citizen!
It’s already so easy to get it replaced by a professional for 1/10th the cost of the phone.
That's not a reason a great majority of people buy phones.
Batteries don't degrade _that_ quickly.
My 3 year old battery-that I absolutely do not take care of whatsoever-is still at 81%.
That takes it from well over one day to still over one day of quite heavy use.
This is not true. Replaceable batteries are smaller, hold less charge and are much more expensive to produce. Eeplaceable ones which have a negative effect on everyone
@@closeben 160€ are still too much
If the government passes a law that lowers the revenue of a business, the customer always pays to make up for it. Phones will probably become more expensive due to the additional manufacturing complexities of removable batteries, as well as lost revenue from people not needing to replace their phones as often.
There are no free lunches. Corporations do not pay for the proverbial meals.
As a retired product designer who worked for some time in the telecomms market I'm damn sure that while production love easy assembly with minimal parts and purchasing like products made of cheap components marketing love the idea that they can effectivly enforce product obsolescence and generate sales of new units. In my experience they were usually talking about 'delighting the customer' while stiffing them as much as possible. More sales = better share price = bigger bonuses for (certain) staff!
I prefer a phone that can't be stolen and immediately switched off. Removable batteries compromise security.
@@TerriTerriHotSauce thats a good point. but i guess they can build in a little battery like a bios battery in computers to power the GPS and remote switch 0ff. sure they will find a way :)
The Game changer EU=European Union
@@TerriTerriHotSauce Phones can be stolen and immediately switched off today, i fail to see what difference a removable battery makes
@@TerriTerriHotSauce I agree the phone is not completely turned off with the battery still inside and it still can be tracked but it requires special tools witch regular citizens do not have so u cant track it regardless if it has the battery still inside... I love how ppl are so pro environment and yet when we actually have a good way to do good everyone suddenly changes their minds. This just goes to show how much ppl actually care.
My Macbook had a dead pixel dead center of the screen which was the only possible place that dead pixel could have been for apple to replace it at no charge. They literally messured it with a ruler to see if it was in the middle of the screen as that is their policy.
I had a galaxy s5 for the better part of 2 years between 2014 and 2016. I enjoyed the water resistance feature while also changing my battery when it started failing. Also the back cover was solidly sealing the phone even with the multiple falls the phone experienced under my ownership. I can attest to that. Also it was one of the best phones I owned in the past 20 years. Things went down hill from S6 onwards.
Yup, my newer Samsung was heavy, hot, smooth/slippery.
It was like it was melt to break & be dropped.
"Just get a case"
"Too hot, charging stopped"
I don't use the fast charger it came with, but the cable did break easily like the weak apple ones, the glass back broke after a week, & the screen broke on the 1st fall,
I've never even cracked my phones before, & it goes back passed the 1st iphone.
The dumb. f my keyboard end of comment
Lasting quality doesn’t make the leeches as much cheddar. :P
I had the S5 too, and I agree it was the only phone I was truly satisfied with. I replaced it only at 2018, when most of the apps I wanted to use stopped working on that Android version, and I wanted a better camera. Now I have the S20FE... The last Samsung with a micro SD card slot. I miss my removable battery and 3.5mm headphone jack 😢
@@shane250 I bough the note 10 LITE. It had a 3.5 mm head phone jack and memory slot. Bought it in 2020 and replaced in last may with an s23 ultra. I do miss my note 10 lite. Even though it had no wireless charging and was not water resistant. The camera quality was lower (i never use my camera) but the price was perfect and it lasted me 3 years before the battery would drop to 60% by 11 am. Unfortunately I only changed it because I could not replace the bad battery.
Nice...did s5 have any official IP rating?
I remember when we got the 1st devices with non-removable parts RAM, SSD, batteries, it felt like being bullied because it was imposed without consent. It will be great to regain some of the freedom that we lost during past decade.
bro, no one forced you to buy it
@@williamoliveira5246yeah. People try to make everything about themselves these days
@@williamoliveira5246 What a daft thing to say.
@@williamoliveira5246 show me a modern phone with those features without compromise and ill buy it. lack of choice is force.
@williamoliveira5246 hmm if you can't see how they are forcing us to buy these kind of phones then you are blind 😂
I was planning on upgrading my iPhone this year because EU enforced usb type C… Maybe I should wait a bit more until they make one with replaceable battery 😂
Damn I love EU - finally some gov is doing something against anti-consumer corporation schemes.
You might have to wait until 2027 to get the replaceable battery iphone, though.
I’m hoping the EU’s next trick will be to require RAM and SSDs to be user replaceable in laptops.
They're not going to make a usb-c iphone. The law states "if the device is cable of plug-in charging, it must have a usb-c port" they'll just remove the port and make it wireless charging only.
@@headcas620Stop it. Please eat your words when it comes out. If it doesn't on the iPhone 15 (or 16 at the latest), then I will apologize to you.
CEOs can bribe national governments. CEOs can't bribe 27 national governments, it's just too expensive. So they do actually produce a lot of pro-consumer legislation.
@@therealshavenyak I'm assuming you're talking about apple laptops, because most laptops I've owned over the years had replaceable ram and storage. ( my current laptop was bought 2 years ago though)
Best way would probably be a cover in the back which would be cool, too! I want replaceable backcovers back to get rid of cases. My phone feels so cool without a thick case, but you usually dont do it, because a scratch means being not repairable easily. Imagine having artistic freedom again to design the back of your phone again? Even steel printings, illuninations, etc.
EU should also work on DIGITAL ASSETS OWNERSHIP LAWS.
as now if you "BUY" a movie or game digitally, it is actually just a licence to RENT IT which can be revoked anytime by the companies, so you actually don't own it, neither can you share it or sell it to someone else.
This is bad especially for games, as most require Updates and DLCs, which can only be acquired digitally and PC games are all digital.
This way people will actually own what they buy and also there won't be any need for the PHYSICAL DISKS thus further lessening the e-waste and helping the world get closer to the digital future.
Didn't you get the memo? "You will own nothing and be happy"
@@sinsiliuxs120People keep quoting that out of context. Read the original article that it came from. It's not part of some great conspiracy: It's an observation that with improved communications and lower transport costs, rental models become more cost-effective and attractive to customers than ownership.
@@vylbird8014I have read the whole article, it's still disgusting.
You say PHYSICAL DISKS like it's a bad thing.
Also 0-star review every cashless business and always go super-slowly at the self-checkout. Customers on strike!
Yes exactly.
I'm saying it here and now. Once this law passes, a possibility of a brand new phone that is sold "batteries not included" shall rise.
if the batteries are standardized across platforms... why not. you want to upgrade to the latest model and don't have to pay for a new bettery, just use the old one. I'm not saying that companies wouldn't charge you the same as they intended to do if the battery was included but it's a possibility. Then again, say if samsung, nokie and apple all use their own battery, then they would include the battery because trying to get a customer to change brand if they have to buy the battery seperately is going to be haaaard.
Nobody will buy it....
@@marcvangastel2157 I wouldn't be too sure about that
Just buy your own rechargable double a batteries ...
@@tore650 I dont think they will become cheaper just because the battery isn't in the phone.
I remember devices with particulate and water resistance with removable batteries. I also own a new laptop that's thin and has user serviceable modules. So I'm all for the idea. I do think we need as a species need to once again, put more focus on recyclability and longevity of products.
Recycling: maybe
Longevity: absolutely
Life cycle: should be added to list
I can agree to the addition of life cycle, but recycling has to say part of it. Recycling is taking something at the end of life returning it to base components only to remold it to something new. It could as mean using something in a new way that it is still fit for. For example repurposing an old desktop as a server, nas, or network switch.
Absolutely. I mean Sim card trays are also able to be opened and waterproof. Not making the battery replaceable was simply motivated by greed! My developer told me once, how much good connectors cost, it is a saving which quite adds up if you also consider less tools needed as there are less parts in a none removable version of a phone!
Ye, like I have a GoPro Hero 9. Guess what, it's water resistant. And it has replaceable battery! What an idea! :D
I mean, Samsung XCover Lineup. Waterproof abd still removeable battery and not much worse feeling than other current phones in that price range
Let me tell you as a guy who has worked in hw engineering, there was never a need to go with glued in batteries. We never wanted this.
it's point blank planned obsolescence. Waterproofing is a cheap excuse.
All we'd need to do is copy what Sonim did, which is essentially something we've done on consumer devices of all categories for over three decades now. Screw-fit, gasketed, pressure covers.
Super easy.
Apple will 100% pull another Apple and code the batteries, so you won't even be able to switch them between phones.
Apples concept, as is a lot of companies concept, is easy. Make you love to use the product, make it as expensive as possible too.
Thank you for covering this, please all spread the word & continue to push manufacturers to make actual repairable products.
My 2017 phone is still working fine after 5 years. I'll use it until it breaks, but I'm eager for a new phone when that time comes. While I could replace the battery, I prefer not to invest in an older device.
@@Professor-Scientist understand your view, however it would cost between £5 -£15 to replace a battery in a 2017 phone so it’s little investment compared to buying a new device if you’re happy with what you have.
In my opinion there’s little progression in phone design & tech (bar folding) so don’t feel it’s worth upgrading mine.
I remember having a Samsung Galaxy S2 - always with a spare battery. I even bought a bigger one with another backcover. Great times - no hassle with batter life. And i used it for some years, until the processing power was really to slow. Thanks to the changable batteries aswell as the community for custom made ROMs, the phone was usable for quite some time. (Still got it in a drawer though)
Needing to carry a second battery meant by definition you had a battery life issue.
@@longfang98 No... it just means the battery life is extendible, although the capacity could drop slightly when it becomes replaceable, as it likely has a hard casing, but it needs to be figured out regardless, my old LG G3 had 3000mah battery and it was replaceable, and that was 2014
If we don't figure it out, then we'd continue to be stuck throwing away phones, as it's expensive and hard to replace one, for many reasons.
Same me but with a galaxy s4
Btw i had to change the batteries every month or so for it to work idk why
And just a fun fact that the s4 has more gestures and handfree controlability than any phone i know of
Glad to hear this. The battery failing is the planned obsolescence for phones today.
Its a good first step, but it in no way solves the issue of planned obsolescence. They have a thousand other ways to make our phones stop working right, and they will absolutely use them. So long as we remain convinced that we NEED a smart phone, they will own us.
It’s like 10% of the phones cost Every 3-5 years. By then It will be outdated by new tech or speeds anyways. If not, get it replaced
@@advicepirate8673 Sadly, my job requires a phone for 2FA. I personally think it's wrong for a company to have an employee use their personal device for company business (and it seems like a bad idea, security wise)
Unless you standardise the batteries themselves, limiting them down to no more than 5 set shapes/voltage/connections, the companies will just continually change the batteries between models and claim "no stock" after two years or so, putting us all back to the same outcomes as now.
AA through to D cells worked well due to standardisation and many products benefited through not having to supply their own individual battery types. A standard for battery power tools should also be looked at.
Nah. There will always be 3rd party parts if there's a demand.
Best thing about removeable batteries hands down was the ability to save your (expensive) phone in case you e.g. dunked in water. Also extending it's lifetime was a breeze since the first thing to go usually is the battery. Definitely cheeper than buying a new phone for the customers and it put's the fokus back on longevity.
Edit: I've seen a lot of people replying that integrated batteries enable better water proofing. While yes, that doesn't mean every device with an integrated battery is automatically water proof. Most devices today aren't and even the best water proofing is prone to failiure. I only brought this up in the first place because that is percisely how one of my "water proof" phones died, right before my eyes. This bill will increase longevity and I'm all for it.
Wow if only someone came out with a solution to dunking your phone in water!
Oh right. Waterproofing it.
@@lukapogoHow many phones are actually waterproof? The water resistance phone are fine in a bit of rain but dunking them in the water is still not recommended.
@@illusionofquality979my former OnePlus worked underwater, my current Xiaomi works under water... So, yes, waterproof phones are a real thing.
@@illusionofquality979 every iphone since the iphone 7. they say "water resistant" for liability reasons, they work much better than they are rated
I thought most phones were water proof now? I haven't had a water damaged phone in a decade. My Samsung tells me when water is in the charging port.
This is amazing, the truth about manufacturers being against removable components is because that way they can exert way less control over their customers. The lifecycle of the product will be so much longer after this is forced causing companies to sell less.
Yes and no. Removable batteries *always* comprise water resistance.
A gasket is literally the *only* effective way which are virtually impossible to implement within phones unlike watches which are allowed to be thicker.
@@Joe_Bicycle That just isn't true. Samsung had a phone like 7 years ago with the same water resistant phones have now WITH a removable battery. They will figure it out.
The Samsung S5 has an Ingress Protection of 67 which is exceptionally well. So yes, it literally is one of the best phones to ever be released.
The MSRP *however* was $750.00 which was overpriced at the time, this is *before* inflation (2014).
And unfortunately the thickness and weight of the phone is not "hip" or "cool" by today's "standards" so it can't be marketed towards a younger audience (AKA the target audience)
I would buy an S5 _now_ but I would *never* have bought one in 2014 much like these EU phones.
@@Joe_Bicycle You don't think in 2023 we could make something as good and thinner? The point is it can be done. wtf u on about wont be hip or cool lol.
@@sxyjimbo The $750 MSRP for the 2014 S5 went _right over your head_ now didn't it?
What the hell do you think these new phones will cost *especially* after what the OP had mentioned that there will be *less* planned obsolescence with replaceable batteries?
Inflation + Replaceable Battery + Thin Phone = MSRP *$2000*
Also worth noting: lithium batteries are a significant safety risk as they age, with the possibility of leading to major fires that are very hard to put out. Getting as many old batteries out of people houses as possible is important for safety and not just environmental reasons.
What factors contribute to that? Do you mean the batteries as they age with use? Or the batteries in my old non-functioning phones I keep in a drawer because I have no clue how to not make them into E-waste or how to properly dispose of them/also Im lazy.
@@SmokeandSpiritIt's the dendrites that build up and are a natural part of the technology. Once they reach a point where they can short the battery, interesting and volatile stuff starts happening.
@@SmokeandSpirit depleted batteries are not a risk of fire, they can be dangerous to health is they leak though
@@SmokeandSpirit I'm talking about device batteries specifically. phones, laptops, powerbanks etc. the batteries are highly flammable under certain circumstances. it doesn't happen often, mind. but phone batteries especially have developed a habit of 'puffing up' in recent years, turning into little pillows. if those explode or someone punctures them trying to repair them they can be a mayor hazard
any of this happening to any individual is fairly unlikely, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't reduce the amount of them just randomly lying around after they are no longer needed.
@@MirrorscapeDC Certainly they can quickly convert into a fire spitting rocket under extreme heat and/or extreme rates of charge/discharge. As the dendrites were brought up, that is part of the what causes the shorts. Though batteries at room temperature that are neither charging or discharging are almost entirely inert. The ones in my drawer for example are dead because electric devices tend to phantom drain. Dendrite formation is actually appearantly caused by mechanical forces exerted during the changing volumes inside the battery. So unless someone stupid came around and decided to pop open my old phones and puncture them, there wouldnt be any state change to cause any said danger.
I hadn't realized dendrite formation was more directly at fault for the discharge, so i never considered how the risks go up with age. Also, I just wouldn't exactly call that a "significant risk" no moreso than wall outlets are a significant risk of fire and direct shock. We learn to safely interact with technology because everything has its risks. Though really I wouldn't say you're incorrect in any capacity. Im just tripping over semantics I guess. 😂
I guess if I had a rocket sitting around, I wouldn't leave it sitting in a drawer, especially next to a battery that could cause it to ignite. which is hilarious because i definitely have a drawer with both screws and batteries in it which hasnt managed to attempt liftoff just yet. I really should reconsider my life choices though. 😅
apple already designs a version for the US specifically. Worldwide 14/15's have SIM slots while in the US they don't.
Wouldn't be surprised if they do everything they can so the US version stays sealed while the int or possibly a EU version comes out specifically meeting that criteria.
Hopefully they do the same as with USB C and release it in the next version so we can see how they do it :)