Hey Dom, I am really grateful to you for giving long enough audio examples that those of us who have less trained ears get a chance to recognise where the differences are in the sound.
I’m blown away. Sounds AMAZING! I just bought the Lindell 80 and the SSL 4000E a couple of days ago and I was equally blown away! Gonna buy this one as well.
Just picked up the Lindell SBC with the Plugin-Alliance promo code for $29.99... it sounds SO good in your demo vs the hardware, there is just no reason at this point for me to spend over three grand on the hardware version. Is the end-listener going to know the difference in their AirPods? Nope! Thank you for a great walkthrough!
The plugin version sounds like its choking the minute you hit it with gain reduction. there's some nervous pumping going on the end of notes between the guitar, and vocals, and the initial transient of the snare. the API2500 just sounds as it should, controlled and it's my favourite VCA comp after the vintage DBX stuff. the plugin honestly sounds like a generic VCA comp model and it sounds like it has a bit of RMS in its detector (would explain the nervous gain reduction)that it shouldn't have. don't think these sound anything alike to be perfectly honest Not the biggest fan of Waves, but they capture the essence of what it does a lot better however many years ago that plugin came out TrackComp2 is the one to beat though Update: Had a play with the demo and i have no idea what's going on here, but it's not really doing it justice. it sounded a lot better than what is demonstrated in this video on the material i tried it on. one issue i take with it is it's really soft sounding and not as forward as my 2500 or TrackComp2( TrackComp2 can get a little clicky though in a way that isn't reminiscent of the hardware), but it doesn't sound as lacking as it does on this example. the Nuke button is cool in parallel too. i am usually not iffy on Plugin Alliances modelling, but this one is worth grabbing on the bizarre subscription that gets you the plugin for $31
Hey John! I tried to give as many examples as possible here. The comparison is fair- same song same settings. I am not surprised you like it but it could be that your track works better with the API compressor in general. I certainly wouldn’t use the API on everything - it works better on some tracks, on others I might use the SSL or Neve. In short, the demo showed how the compressor works on this particular track, the drums and bass. I wouldn’t be surprised if it reacted better(or worse!) on other material- it’s only normal. We have to compare apples to apples :) But I still love what it did on my tests. Do you have the hardware to compare? I’m my tests the Waves doesn’t sound so close to be honest. But you might like it nevertheless as I do.
Plug in does sound a bit different, but most of this stuff is just subjective minutiae that no one would ever care about or hear on an actual recording. We're talking about maybe 1 out of every 100,000 people listening to a track that would even notice or care about the difference between the plugin and the hardware. What matters is the ear of the mixing/mastering engineer(s) more than anything else.
@@TheFrygar not just that, but no two hardware units are perfectly alike either. so simply setting everything exactly the same isn't always going to result in exactly the same behaviour. i think a lot of people are splitting hairs in this comments section. it sounds good, and if you used it in a mix, would anyone know you are not using a HW unit? furthermore, would anyone care that much? rofl. I don't think so.
Thanks for the comparison. Just trying it on a mix now and think it’s going to replace my usual townhouse buss compressor. By the way, Great tune! So funky!
Love watching your videos! Your joy is palpable and I was bouncing around half way through the video also. I think people forget, in all of the analysis, that music is supposed to move you (figuratively or literally). I think I was convinced about the plugin when you hit "Nuke" on the bass haha.
Listening to the saturation on the vocal when she's singing "know that" & "mind at" it's clear the hardware has more character, but there is a THD knob on the plugin which I imagine would sound great if its anything like the Lindell 50 & 80 series plugins
The difference is always there in the more extreme settings, or when there's more musical information going through like on the mixbuss. Pluging sounds good, like most plugins but loses some of it's mojo when pushed while the hardware sounds more pleasing when it's pushed, like it's made for it.
maybe its a good thing to use two instances SBC on the Bus ,one to catch the peaks and one to compress. I would like to add any Saturation to bring the Low end up, for example the BBE Sonic Maximizer.
I think the hardware brings the high hat in more and the plugin less making the plugin sound a bit smoother and not as harsh to me. Normally I wouldn't expect this coming from a plugin.
You read my mind Dom Dadda! I was thinking after your SSL API shootout, I wish there was a decent plugin emulation, and here you are lol. much thanks dude! EDIT: well after listening to the comparisons, the Lindell SBC has a lot more 'seasonings' to add to the meal for sure, despite their differences. Oh well, time to kick my Waves API 2500 to the kerb : ) will purchase for sure
Dom, usually I prefer hardware all the time but in this case...mmm. Difficult, Just the drums the Hardware rules. Thank you for doing this. I love this channel
Thank you for comparing those two. I would recommend that you upload wav files for download to be able to compare the plugin with the hardware, it would give more opportunities for comparison. Anyway, thank you again for the video, although the hardware version sounds better to my ear 🤓 Wish you all the best !
Plugin has all the characteristics of the hardware, the hardware just has a bit “more” to my ears. More weight and more snap, particularly on the drums example here. BUT that Nuke button on the bass. Using the wet/dry knob. Wow. Great great plugin. So useable. Can’t wait to try it.
17:40 I must be honest, that thump with nuke activated is not bad on bass but I didn't like how it sounds on kick drums whatsoever. I often get an unpleasant distortion and didn't even get rid of it with oversampling, hence it refrains me to use it even on drum busses. Since I have never tried an original API 2500 or other emulations I ask: is it expected to sound that way (even without nuke which is exclusive to the Lindell)?
Bought the plugin with a great discount and very happy with it! In the drums extreme settings the hardware has a better low end, which imho slightly disappears in the software, I can hear this on my mbp, don't know if you noticed that too,but overall the software sounds fantastic, I prefer the Lindell above the Uad.
Man! Lindell SBC is an Monster! I think that real hardware is a little bit more elastic on the bottom, however, when I focus on the snare sound, I felt that the emulation is better and the hardware! :)
WOW! I'm really impressed about this plugin. I just bought it today and in the very first moment i ran audio through it I went like: yeah, the HiFi API sound right there. I really love API sound and i think the Lindell guys made an ESPECTACULAR job there. To be honest, there has been some examples in this video where i would've chosen the plugin over the hardware... especially when you weren't driving hard on them. When you did, the compression on the plugin wasn't as natural as it sounded on the hardware (still pretty f*ckn huge!). I really loved the THD knob, i think the saturation it gives is really pleasant and "un-digital". Maybe the overall sound of the plugin is a little more crispy than the hardware as this one gets more the actual electricity tone, giving it a warmer and more analog sound. Nonetheless, i really love this plugin's sound texture as i think it gives a more modern tone.
Thanks Dom! When i tried this thing yesterday, i was impressed like you. And i instantly thinked, Dom has the Original, i am looking forward to his comparison. 😍 Keep up the good work. ❤️
What everyone should bear in mind is that no two hardware units are perfectly alike. so simply setting everything exactly the same isn't always going to result in exactly the same behaviour / sound / tone. i think a lot of people are splitting hairs in this comments section. it sounds great, and if you used it in a mix, would anyone know you are not using a HW unit? furthermore, would anyone care that much? rofl. I don't think so. things can only get better from here too on the SW side of things. Let's put it into perspective. I can spend forever playing around with my guitar tone, tweaking every little aspect of it until I am blue in the face... but at the end of the day, the audience never comes up to me after a gig and says "I love that tiny little change you have done with the treble on your amp since the last time I came to watch you guys play". ahahahaha. I can tell sure, but they can't. I am only really bothered about if they walk up and say I play or sound like sheeet.
I've always been a little confused by the API's detector filter arrangement. The "Thrust" control (as I understand it) is a filter on the detector circuit, as is the "Filter Shape" option in the Link Control section. Now Lindell has added an additional HPF to the detector circuit. Seems like overkill to me. What am I missing?
@@cycleofficial4744 I’m so sorry, I was typing fast and used unclear language. I wasn’t referring to simply attack time, but rather the shape of the attack AND release times (the ‘envelope’ of the DC control signal) were level dependent. Deeper compression resulted in a change to both and the result is a different sound. I’m not so sure it was fully intended as the musical content tends to dictate the amount of GR the user finds acceptable. It’s pretty noticeable when comparing 3-4dB of GR with 10-15dB or GR. Very different from the much more ‘forgiving’ operation of the most popular compressors of the day, i.e. the optical cell UREIs, which were a breeze to dial in. I hope this helps and I apologize for the confusion. Envelope is more of an engineering term.
Really love the API 2500 compressor, and the emulation is really quite something it has to be said. The funky groove is definitely there with the plugin. It sounds slightly smoother than the hardware and still keeps the musicality. It might be a future go-to at this rate. On the extreme settings the kick is a little flatter on the plugin compared to the hardware but it is quite minimal, but it might be dialled in, but the THD really helps.
Hey man! Definitely- I did more tests after making the video and it really fares well against the hardware. And you can’t argue £129 vs £2950 if you want that API sound :)
They do sound very different, I think what they did was model the time constants but not the actual texture, the hardware unit has a ""gummy" sound to it, and the response is sweeter, the plugin version has a more cleaner type VCA sound .
Great video thanks Dom! I actually preferred the plugin over the hardware especially on the master bus, to my ears it had even more punch and excitement than the hardware.
I bought this Lindell SBC plugin I like it also , I already had the waves version this one has a few extra nice features , I'm curious if you tried the waves 2500 and what you think of that one.
The hardware sounds better. The hardware sounds better before taking into account the compression characteristic is different. The plug in sounds fine. Given the Lindell name, I was expecting something good and this is good and its worth the 30bucks they offer even their new plug ins on this special deal they do.
Great video. I'm a fan of API and P/A so I was really hoping they would make this available. I had the Waves version and it was trash, so I removed it. In this demo the plugin did fairly well and on isolated tracks the differences were more pronounced, but in a pinch I could see it getting the job done, especially if someone cannot afford the hardware which does sound more 3d, had more punch and a little more sizzle on the top.
I think people are going a bit ott with the feedback to be honest on this one. no two hardware units are exactly alike, and so the unit they based it on will never be exactly the same as another one in someones studio. so a direct comparison is never going to be possible. does it sound like an API though? of course it does, and in a mix would anyone know any different? i'd love to see the gurus in this comments section fail at a blind full mix test as is so often the case these days. rofl.
I just realized that the Manual button wasn't on but you kept on increasing the gain. The Manual button is to activate the Gain....I do have use the Lindell SBC and I think it's great.
I don’t know but it sounds that the emulator gets the signal a tiny bit quicker compare to the HW. If that’s the case it must be a difference in the actual trig rhythmically. Absolutely the best compressor I’ve ever heard. A must buy 🤩
Hi dear Dom, overall many thanks. I'm a little bit confused about internal HPF in this compressor, is there 3 way to doing internal SC HPF!? This compressor has two buttons and one knob for adjusting internal SC HPF, am I right?
API hardware got that solid punch and bottom. It would be cool to hear the UAD version against the hardware. The top end is sweeter also on hardware. The plugin is awesome though.
Yes what John Doe said. It will never null as the hardware goes through conversion (Lynx). There’s always a tiny difference. But the real like examples I think are useful to determine how close it gets and how it differs to the hardware :)
OK, I subscribed. Love your videos. Hopefully you'll know the reference - any way in your next video you can look at the camera and just say "That fucking guy..."?
Remember Nutso said it first, you stop or freeze certain processes you can get alot of power with no cpu clipping. better than GPU thats really new and never caught on yet. Cubase might be the first to do it if they listen. No, not gpu, freeze process, as the plugin initially loads, thats all the time it needs for real time processing, which is still real time after it freezes but different kind of real time, like i said, certain processes are smart freeze. So REALLY heavy cpu intense plugin synths or effects will work with almost no cpu spicks. The future is smart.
This is not the CPU you’re seeing, it’s the ASIO Guard meter - it has changed in Cubase 12 and people get scared. It’s more intensive when you use oversampling which is what people have been asking for ages from PA.
the song has a great vibe ! like usual the hardware does a far better job on high gain reduction settings. but - for moderate setting this plugin is a game changer on the masterbus. by the way i recommend trying this setting on the masterbus: latest attack, fastest release, 4:1 ratio, ALL! green buttons on, except "F.BACK"...change it to "F.FWD", SC 35 Hz, MIX 85 %, LINK 50 %, set your threshold so that you will have a gain reduction of 1 to 3 dB.
Man, that synth tune you have on the outro is awesome. Who is the artist on that one? The plugin sounds really good. It lacks the depth of the hardware and the snap but I is really good sounding. A lot of that depth can be added again by running an instance of the plugin through a console. That narrows the gap more and gives you more analog depth. Compare that to just ITB and you won't go back. EQ's are definitely there ITB now. Enough to make it not worth it to spend 3k on an EQ. Comps though, still not there depth and 3D wise. That's why the best hardware purchase is going to be a small analog console like an SSL Six or Big 6 or an older console if you can find one. Well done PA.
@@DomSigalas Killer tune! I am not even a synth guy. I'm a rock and hard rock guy but that song just hits the mark. Probably because I'm an 80's kid :) Awesome mix too.
The Waves 2500 is actually pretty decent and it’s what I often end up with on a drum bus, but this Lindell one is really good. I’ve already replaced an instance of the Waves one with the SBC on a mix to give it a go, and at similar settings I’m very much preferring the Lindell…
I hear a big difference. Lot of frequencies getting dulled by the Lindell. Less excitement and punch. Especially round 4k and up. UAD and DMG Trackcomp 2 is more spot on.
On my Bluetooth JBL headphones, which aren't that bad to be fair, the hardware wins in terms of punch and overall sound. I don't dislike what the plugin is doing, it's just not doing it as well as the real deal. Good plugin still.
The hardware sounds groovier, but the plugin is punchier. I wouldn't say one sounds better than the other, it just sounds like different release curves. I'd put the hardware in the master and the plugin on the busses. Just for the fact that you can have many plugin instances, I'd pick the software. Very impressing!
I am truly sorry for saying that (I love your work Dom!!), but I cannot understand this excitement here. Like the time 8:26 ... OMG ... API HW is so so much better. this can't be even compared how good and rich the HW is. The SW is so cold, it makes "digital leveling" only. Even on extereme settings, the plugin is choking the sound only ... But the HW .......... OOOOOOMG... Completely different beast. Now I want to have one. (Listening to it at my studio on Kii3) or the bass at 19:05 so lifeless on plugin and so vital, full, lush on HW. Btw. The old waves API with absolutely outdated UI - sounds still better IMHO. And I was so so excited to buy that one from P.A. I am a huge fan of their stuff... But a big disappointment here :/
Hey Petr, trust me, I am the most critical when it comes to pieces of gear that I own and know very well. The reason I made the video is so that you guys can make your own conclusions- I was seriously impressed by the plugin. Like I said at the end, if a friend of mine didn’t have the expensive hardware I would recommend this plugin in a heartbeat. Not only it nails the compression characteristic in my opinion but it has some really desirable features. It’s totally fine though, we don’t have to be excited by the same things, that’s the beauty of this world :) For me this plugin brought a smile to my face- I can see it being super useful when I need the API sound in more than 1 channels at the same time without bouncing ;)
Thanks for all you do for the audio community. Great demo Dom! 🙏👍
When will You all make post production plugins. Like a debreath, dehiss, or like an rx version made by PA? Much respect
Thank you for your super kind word guys!
A Big thanks to PA for freeing folks from UAD.....please, please do a G Bus Comp Emulation
DMG TrackComp 2, UAD API and AA Pink 2, are about the best you're going to get
Hey Dom, I am really grateful to you for giving long enough audio examples that those of us who have less trained ears get a chance to recognise where the differences are in the sound.
Danke!
Thank you so much Georg
so many surgycal audio gurus, this Plugin sounds great, and good enough to have that API vibe to go and make music!
I tried this compressor on my bus today, and got great results. Added depth, clarity, and vibe. Great plugin.
Hey miss ya Dom thanks 🙏🏻 For the update !!
This is why I am mainly mixing all in the box. Plugins are adding more features than the original hardware doesn't have. Just more possibilities
You are the best, Dom! And don't stop reacting like this, i love It! 🤩
I’m blown away. Sounds AMAZING! I just bought the Lindell 80 and the SSL 4000E a couple of days ago and I was equally blown away! Gonna buy this one as well.
Just picked up the Lindell SBC with the Plugin-Alliance promo code for $29.99... it sounds SO good in your demo vs the hardware, there is just no reason at this point for me to spend over three grand on the hardware version. Is the end-listener going to know the difference in their AirPods? Nope! Thank you for a great walkthrough!
Lmao
You're awesome Dom! Always a good vibe here. Even without gear I guess :)
The plugin version sounds like its choking the minute you hit it with gain reduction. there's some nervous pumping going on the end of notes between the guitar, and vocals, and the initial transient of the snare. the API2500 just sounds as it should, controlled and it's my favourite VCA comp after the vintage DBX stuff. the plugin honestly sounds like a generic VCA comp model and it sounds like it has a bit of RMS in its detector (would explain the nervous gain reduction)that it shouldn't have. don't think these sound anything alike to be perfectly honest
Not the biggest fan of Waves, but they capture the essence of what it does a lot better however many years ago that plugin came out
TrackComp2 is the one to beat though
Update: Had a play with the demo and i have no idea what's going on here, but it's not really doing it justice. it sounded a lot better than what is demonstrated in this video on the material i tried it on. one issue i take with it is it's really soft sounding and not as forward as my 2500 or TrackComp2( TrackComp2 can get a little clicky though in a way that isn't reminiscent of the hardware), but it doesn't sound as lacking as it does on this example. the Nuke button is cool in parallel too. i am usually not iffy on Plugin Alliances modelling, but this one is worth grabbing on the bizarre subscription that gets you the plugin for $31
Hey John! I tried to give as many examples as possible here. The comparison is fair- same song same settings. I am not surprised you like it but it could be that your track works better with the API compressor in general. I certainly wouldn’t use the API on everything - it works better on some tracks, on others I might use the SSL or Neve.
In short, the demo showed how the compressor works on this particular track, the drums and bass. I wouldn’t be surprised if it reacted better(or worse!) on other material- it’s only normal. We have to compare apples to apples :)
But I still love what it did on my tests. Do you have the hardware to compare? I’m my tests the Waves doesn’t sound so close to be honest. But you might like it nevertheless as I do.
Trackcomp 2 for API is my favorite
@@firmans12 yes so much better than this. the UAD is killer too
Plug in does sound a bit different, but most of this stuff is just subjective minutiae that no one would ever care about or hear on an actual recording. We're talking about maybe 1 out of every 100,000 people listening to a track that would even notice or care about the difference between the plugin and the hardware. What matters is the ear of the mixing/mastering engineer(s) more than anything else.
@@TheFrygar not just that, but no two hardware units are perfectly alike either. so simply setting everything exactly the same isn't always going to result in exactly the same behaviour. i think a lot of people are splitting hairs in this comments section. it sounds good, and if you used it in a mix, would anyone know you are not using a HW unit? furthermore, would anyone care that much? rofl. I don't think so.
Oh man. I couldn't stop grinning for the bass part.
Thanks for the comparison. Just trying it on a mix now and think it’s going to replace my usual townhouse buss compressor.
By the way, Great tune! So funky!
love the bass tone brother!
Love watching your videos! Your joy is palpable and I was bouncing around half way through the video also. I think people forget, in all of the analysis, that music is supposed to move you (figuratively or literally). I think I was convinced about the plugin when you hit "Nuke" on the bass haha.
Listening to the saturation on the vocal when she's singing "know that" & "mind at" it's clear the hardware has more character, but there is a THD knob on the plugin which I imagine would sound great if its anything like the Lindell 50 & 80 series plugins
the plugins with the drums was amazing wao.
Thank you my friend!
The difference is always there in the more extreme settings, or when there's more musical information going through like on the mixbuss. Pluging sounds good, like most plugins but loses some of it's mojo when pushed while the hardware sounds more pleasing when it's pushed, like it's made for it.
Super helpful!
Pitchforks and Torches! 😂 Great video. Love the side-by-side comparison. The Nuke ⚠️ button is a BEAST!
maybe its a good thing to use two instances SBC on the Bus ,one to catch the peaks and one to compress.
I would like to add any Saturation to bring the Low end up, for example the BBE Sonic Maximizer.
I think the hardware brings the high hat in more and the plugin less making the plugin sound a bit smoother and not as harsh to me. Normally I wouldn't expect this coming from a plugin.
At some of those extreme settings there is definitely a difference. On this track, I actually prefer the response of the plug-in!
You read my mind Dom Dadda! I was thinking after your SSL API shootout, I wish there was a decent plugin emulation, and here you are lol. much thanks dude!
EDIT: well after listening to the comparisons, the Lindell SBC has a lot more 'seasonings' to add to the meal for sure, despite their differences.
Oh well, time to kick my Waves API 2500 to the kerb : ) will purchase for sure
Dom, usually I prefer hardware all the time but in this case...mmm. Difficult, Just the drums the Hardware rules. Thank you for doing this. I love this channel
Thank you for comparing those two. I would recommend that you upload wav files for download to be able to compare the plugin with the hardware, it would give more opportunities for comparison. Anyway, thank you again for the video, although the hardware version sounds better to my ear 🤓
Wish you all the best !
There is difference in The mids but compression characteristic is quite similar. Cool!
Plugin has all the characteristics of the hardware, the hardware just has a bit “more” to my ears. More weight and more snap, particularly on the drums example here. BUT that Nuke button on the bass. Using the wet/dry knob. Wow. Great great plugin. So useable. Can’t wait to try it.
that "more" couldn't be achieved pushing the plugin a bit more than the hardware? I mean, on THD settings or something..
@@brunoflores9388 yeah quite possibly! :)
17:40 I must be honest, that thump with nuke activated is not bad on bass but I didn't like how it sounds on kick drums whatsoever. I often get an unpleasant distortion and didn't even get rid of it with oversampling, hence it refrains me to use it even on drum busses. Since I have never tried an original API 2500 or other emulations I ask: is it expected to sound that way (even without nuke which is exclusive to the Lindell)?
To my ears the lindell sounds more open and vibrant, the hardware sounds a bit more glued and livelled, but seems to to cut a bit of air
Pls make top saturation plugins ✨
I’ve shot it! I am editing it at the moment so watch this space!
Great Lindell . Waves api 2500 a very good sound
Dom, it looks like the release settings are quite different between the two....Would account for the slight variance in sound. No?
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Already installed it but i didnt tried it yet! Just what i wanted to see dudeeee!!!!
Bought the plugin with a great discount and very happy with it! In the drums extreme settings the hardware has a better low end, which imho slightly disappears in the software, I can hear this on my mbp, don't know if you noticed that too,but overall the software sounds fantastic, I prefer the Lindell above the Uad.
Man! Lindell SBC is an Monster! I think that real hardware is a little bit more elastic on the bottom, however, when I focus on the snare sound, I felt that the emulation is better and the hardware! :)
Excelente tutorial. Desde hace tiempo veo tus videos. Aportan gran enseñanza. Me he suscrito a tu canal. Saludos
WOW! I'm really impressed about this plugin. I just bought it today and in the very first moment i ran audio through it I went like: yeah, the HiFi API sound right there. I really love API sound and i think the Lindell guys made an ESPECTACULAR job there. To be honest, there has been some examples in this video where i would've chosen the plugin over the hardware... especially when you weren't driving hard on them. When you did, the compression on the plugin wasn't as natural as it sounded on the hardware (still pretty f*ckn huge!). I really loved the THD knob, i think the saturation it gives is really pleasant and "un-digital". Maybe the overall sound of the plugin is a little more crispy than the hardware as this one gets more the actual electricity tone, giving it a warmer and more analog sound. Nonetheless, i really love this plugin's sound texture as i think it gives a more modern tone.
Lindell makes a dope hardware 1176 too. I just bought one. It's called the LIN76
Please do a shoot out with the UAD 2500 and Acustica Pink with these two! Great vids btw.
PLease include TrackComp 2
Pink and N4 Cupwise
Lunchpale....will smoke this 🤣🤣🤣just sayin......digital plugin vs....live hardware sampling....yep THEY are better than SBC
Thanks Dom! When i tried this thing yesterday, i was impressed like you. And i instantly thinked, Dom has the Original, i am looking forward to his comparison. 😍 Keep up the good work. ❤️
Thank you Sebastian!
what a great mix, in either case.
Always killing content from you Dom! 🐊And you know how to make it fun and keep me smiling at the same time! 🤓
What everyone should bear in mind is that no two hardware units are perfectly alike. so simply setting everything exactly the same isn't always going to result in exactly the same behaviour / sound / tone. i think a lot of people are splitting hairs in this comments section. it sounds great, and if you used it in a mix, would anyone know you are not using a HW unit? furthermore, would anyone care that much? rofl. I don't think so. things can only get better from here too on the SW side of things.
Let's put it into perspective. I can spend forever playing around with my guitar tone, tweaking every little aspect of it until I am blue in the face... but at the end of the day, the audience never comes up to me after a gig and says "I love that tiny little change you have done with the treble on your amp since the last time I came to watch you guys play". ahahahaha. I can tell sure, but they can't. I am only really bothered about if they walk up and say I play or sound like sheeet.
I've always been a little confused by the API's detector filter arrangement. The "Thrust" control (as I understand it) is a filter on the detector circuit, as is the "Filter Shape" option in the Link Control section. Now Lindell has added an additional HPF to the detector circuit. Seems like overkill to me. What am I missing?
That’s what I thought too. And I say it on the video. But the effect on the compression is completely different.
Thank you for crunching this compressor!!! 💯🔥
Does it beat the trackcomp 2 though? Time to demo 😎
The original had really well chosen attack times and a depth-dependent envelope (the attack-release law). Those are the signature of the API.
Hi Peter.. could you please describe depth-dependent envelope in detail .. Thank you.
@@cycleofficial4744 I’m so sorry, I was typing fast and used unclear language. I wasn’t referring to simply attack time, but rather the shape of the attack AND release times (the ‘envelope’ of the DC control signal) were level dependent. Deeper compression resulted in a change to both and the result is a different sound. I’m not so sure it was fully intended as the musical content tends to dictate the amount of GR the user finds acceptable. It’s pretty noticeable when comparing 3-4dB of GR with 10-15dB or GR. Very different from the much more ‘forgiving’ operation of the most popular compressors of the day, i.e. the optical cell UREIs, which were a breeze to dial in.
I hope this helps and I apologize for the confusion. Envelope is more of an engineering term.
@@TheJohnsofDoes Sorry for ruining your day, John. 😱 It’s replies like yours that make TH-cam an unpleasant place
I really like the song.
Thanks Chris!
Really great track. Is it released?
@@DomSigalas What song is that? It's great!
Really love the API 2500 compressor, and the emulation is really quite something it has to be said. The funky groove is definitely there with the plugin. It sounds slightly smoother than the hardware and still keeps the musicality. It might be a future go-to at this rate.
On the extreme settings the kick is a little flatter on the plugin compared to the hardware but it is quite minimal, but it might be dialled in, but the THD really helps.
Hey man! Definitely- I did more tests after making the video and it really fares well against the hardware. And you can’t argue £129 vs £2950 if you want that API sound :)
Has anyone had any issue/bug with the aax version (or any other version) of the plugin where It randomly creates a comb filter??
They do sound very different, I think what they did was model the time constants but not the actual texture, the hardware unit has a ""gummy" sound to it, and the response is sweeter, the plugin version has a more cleaner type VCA sound .
Great video thanks Dom! I actually preferred the plugin over the hardware especially on the master bus, to my ears it had even more punch and excitement than the hardware.
I bought this Lindell SBC plugin I like it also , I already had the waves version this one has a few extra nice features , I'm curious if you tried the waves 2500 and what you think of that one.
Hey Dom, please do a video on VST live pro ! Thanks in advance 🙏
The hardware sounds better. The hardware sounds better before taking into account the compression characteristic is different.
The plug in sounds fine. Given the Lindell name, I was expecting something good and this is good and its worth the 30bucks they offer even their new plug ins on this special deal they do.
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Great video. I'm a fan of API and P/A so I was really hoping they would make this available. I had the Waves version and it was trash, so I removed it. In this demo the plugin did fairly well and on isolated tracks the differences were more pronounced, but in a pinch I could see it getting the job done, especially if someone cannot afford the hardware which does sound more 3d, had more punch and a little more sizzle on the top.
I think people are going a bit ott with the feedback to be honest on this one. no two hardware units are exactly alike, and so the unit they based it on will never be exactly the same as another one in someones studio. so a direct comparison is never going to be possible. does it sound like an API though? of course it does, and in a mix would anyone know any different? i'd love to see the gurus in this comments section fail at a blind full mix test as is so often the case these days. rofl.
The hardware, as compared to most emulations (synths, fx, etc.) has a presence and body that the plugin doesn't. Pretty close, though.
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I just realized that the Manual button wasn't on but you kept on increasing the gain. The Manual button is to activate the Gain....I do have use the Lindell SBC and I think it's great.
I don’t know but it sounds that the emulator gets the signal a tiny bit quicker compare to the HW.
If that’s the case it must be a difference in the actual trig rhythmically.
Absolutely the best compressor I’ve ever heard. A must buy 🤩
how about the Waves API2500?
You sold me on this Dom but PA's licence system unsold me unfortunately, it's just not working out.
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Great video
Hi dear Dom, overall many thanks. I'm a little bit confused about internal HPF in this compressor, is there 3 way to doing internal SC HPF!? This compressor has two buttons and one knob for adjusting internal SC HPF, am I right?
Why dont you tell them to make erase tool only on the right hand click ( piano roll edit ) to make work flow fast
wow does this sound good!
API hardware got that solid punch and bottom. It would be cool to hear the UAD version against the hardware. The top end is sweeter also on hardware. The plugin is awesome though.
how does it compare to the waves api? Waves good enough to not need this?
Dom, You should of bounced down 2 loops, 1 hardware, 1 plugin and see how close you can get them to null with phase inverting one of the samples
Yes what John Doe said. It will never null as the hardware goes through conversion (Lynx). There’s always a tiny difference. But the real like examples I think are useful to determine how close it gets and how it differs to the hardware :)
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OK, I subscribed. Love your videos. Hopefully you'll know the reference - any way in your next video you can look at the camera and just say "That fucking guy..."?
On my smartphone hardware sounds better. Better attacks and much better release which is essential in the bus compression.
I have yet to find a plugin that can do what the 2500 does, it's just right....
hey what autotune plug did you use on your voice to sound like Aretha?
Im just convinced that the API 2500 sounds primarely good on Drums or Bass....and $3800 is alot for a 2 trick pony
Remember Nutso said it first, you stop or freeze certain processes you can get alot of power with no cpu clipping. better than GPU thats really new and never caught on yet. Cubase might be the first to do it if they listen. No, not gpu, freeze process, as the plugin initially loads, thats all the time it needs for real time processing, which is still real time after it freezes but different kind of real time, like i said, certain processes are smart freeze. So REALLY heavy cpu intense plugin synths or effects will work with almost no cpu spicks. The future is smart.
Please make a video for making 8D in cubase
Check the CPU… and I’d like know which unit they have emulated? There must be 10000 of this comp right?
This is not the CPU you’re seeing, it’s the ASIO Guard meter - it has changed in Cubase 12 and people get scared. It’s more intensive when you use oversampling which is what people have been asking for ages from PA.
the song has a great vibe ! like usual the hardware does a far better job on high gain reduction settings. but - for moderate setting this plugin is a game changer on the masterbus. by the way i recommend trying this setting on the masterbus: latest attack, fastest release, 4:1 ratio, ALL! green buttons on, except "F.BACK"...change it to "F.FWD", SC 35 Hz, MIX 85 %, LINK 50 %, set your threshold so that you will have a gain reduction of 1 to 3 dB.
Man, that synth tune you have on the outro is awesome. Who is the artist on that one? The plugin sounds really good. It lacks the depth of the hardware and the snap but I is really good sounding. A lot of that depth can be added again by running an instance of the plugin through a console. That narrows the gap more and gives you more analog depth. Compare that to just ITB and you won't go back. EQ's are definitely there ITB now. Enough to make it not worth it to spend 3k on an EQ. Comps though, still not there depth and 3D wise. That's why the best hardware purchase is going to be a small analog console like an SSL Six or Big 6 or an older console if you can find one. Well done PA.
Aaah thanks man! It’s my song actually :) open.spotify.com/track/3EPA6MrNOYFe1M6rnX60Kg?si=UtZs6VnMRfGhfxd7yr0bIw
@@DomSigalas Killer tune! I am not even a synth guy. I'm a rock and hard rock guy but that song just hits the mark. Probably because I'm an 80's kid :) Awesome mix too.
Hardware has a punchier kick drum I feel and brings the room out a little more. Snare sounds great on both of them. Very impressive
The Waves 2500 is actually pretty decent and it’s what I often end up with on a drum bus, but this Lindell one is really good. I’ve already replaced an instance of the Waves one with the SBC on a mix to give it a go, and at similar settings I’m very much preferring the Lindell…
waves 2500 is the worst emulation of 2500 (there are not that many though), it's fine for $30 but that's about it
I hear more pleasant the hardware, even in higher settings
hardware sounds like a record
Based on a previous comment with the most likes, I think we need to compare it to TrackComp 2, even better if you could include the CPU hog, Pink.
I dare you, to shoot the API 2500 against Nebula Alex B API 2500 or Acustica Audio's Tiger PINK MedKnee Mod
Sorry that you had to justify your opinion. Thank you for all the videos
I hear a big difference. Lot of frequencies getting dulled by the Lindell. Less excitement and punch. Especially round 4k and up. UAD and DMG Trackcomp 2 is more spot on.
On my Bluetooth JBL headphones, which aren't that bad to be fair, the hardware wins in terms of punch and overall sound. I don't dislike what the plugin is doing, it's just not doing it as well as the real deal. Good plugin still.
The hardware sounds groovier, but the plugin is punchier. I wouldn't say one sounds better than the other, it just sounds like different release curves.
I'd put the hardware in the master and the plugin on the busses. Just for the fact that you can have many plugin instances, I'd pick the software.
Very impressing!
Agreed. Certainly not enough difference to justify spending $3,000 on the hardware unless you happen to be rich and really want some knobs.
The plugin is really really good but the hardware sounds more 3D
Whatever that means
@@J77199 more holographic
I am truly sorry for saying that (I love your work Dom!!), but I cannot understand this excitement here. Like the time 8:26 ... OMG ... API HW is so so much better. this can't be even compared how good and rich the HW is. The SW is so cold, it makes "digital leveling" only. Even on extereme settings, the plugin is choking the sound only ... But the HW .......... OOOOOOMG... Completely different beast. Now I want to have one. (Listening to it at my studio on Kii3) or the bass at 19:05 so lifeless on plugin and so vital, full, lush on HW. Btw. The old waves API with absolutely outdated UI - sounds still better IMHO. And I was so so excited to buy that one from P.A. I am a huge fan of their stuff... But a big disappointment here :/
Hey Petr, trust me, I am the most critical when it comes to pieces of gear that I own and know very well. The reason I made the video is so that you guys can make your own conclusions- I was seriously impressed by the plugin. Like I said at the end, if a friend of mine didn’t have the expensive hardware I would recommend this plugin in a heartbeat. Not only it nails the compression characteristic in my opinion but it has some really desirable features. It’s totally fine though, we don’t have to be excited by the same things, that’s the beauty of this world :) For me this plugin brought a smile to my face- I can see it being super useful when I need the API sound in more than 1 channels at the same time without bouncing ;)
What I like the most is the song!
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The hardware sounds better but the plug still sounds great
not bad but the hardware has a tight yet open response that the plugin does not.
Once you try this plugin you'll forget about the hardware is so good especially the nuke button that's all you need great video Dom👍
Que 800 boomers swearing the hardware is "insert magical buzzword here". Lol
I love ur videos though Dom!
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Why real hardware has Mix knob on zero?
That’s not the mix knob on the hardware. It has both dry/wet parallel modes. When you’re not in these modes this knob is irrelevant.