That place isn't really a neocon hub, it has lots of liberals and such, even socialists. Conservatives are actually a minority there. And this video just pretty much showed how you're biased to show bullshit about the other political hemisphere while not even recognizing about everything you used to blame or say "well they defend this guy/group who did bad" while at the other side there were as bad or even worse people. Reminder that this subreddit is mainly a counter to r/GenZedong.
It’s one of the most popular of the last month - everyone in there is a Lib or a conservative. And all are teenagers who just read about US foreign policy on Wikipedia
I don't see this brought up a lot as a response to "hur dur national SOCIALISM" but Germans in the early 20th century had a definition for socialism that was very different from Marxism. It was outlined in Prussianism and Socialism by Oswald Spengler and was the basis of the class collaboration that the Nazis espoused.
@@WarFarePictured oh yeah Hitler saw what we did to the natives and said “that’s what I’m talking about.” Andrew Jackson used to ride around with a pouch full of Native Scalps.
Channing Deadnight :: Bravo ! Your comment is heresy ! How do you live with yourself ? 😁 You can fool some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time. You give us hope !
@@spiritualanarchist8162 it's always the socialists fault. You just have to ignore that the only universally loved programs in the US are totally socialist. Like social security lol.
In all honesty, America's the worst country in the world until you look at every other country of its size. Of course shit's gonna be bonkers, America's just too big, corrupt politicians enter the fray, idiots roam the streets fighting for things they don't understand. However, these are problems every country deals with, and it so happens that other countries of America's size are doing it worse than America. I mean, look at Russia. Working *just as intended*. . . as their armies get squashed in Ukraine, politicians major-league embezzle money, and Putin's popularity even in Russia tanks as recent riots have shown.
@@saturationstation1446 It's almost like European indentured servants and enslaved people lived, worked, and saw themselves as equal which was dangerous to the land owners who were terrified of the up risings and rebellions against them So white was made to give the poorest Europeans qualities of their oppressors. Class consciousness is the greatest threat to the wealthiest. There's more of us than them
For me as an American seeing others boast about all the freedom we have yet in the same breath demonize drug users and abortion etc. It’s the hypocrisy that really sickens me.
Yeah hypocrisy is really the worst. I can respect someone I disagree with as long as they’re honest in their beliefs. In Begium we even have a word for christian hypocrites in government. We call them “tsjeven”
@@jeepy2693 I wouldn’t say they’re bad, they have an addiction that’s taken control of them. They need therapy and rehab, not prison and a criminal record.
I think the craziest Americans are the ones who take American Exceptionalism to a new level and believe that God has some sort of preordained mission for America. You see that with a lot of evangelicals.
Yes! One nutjob legit told me "Americans have GOD-GIVEN RIGHTS that no-one else has. You only have the rights your country allows you to have". Truly excellent laughter therapy!
Facts. I remember when Che Guevara shirts were everywhere in the late 90s and early 00s. Then we got the right-wing "Che bad" reaction that painted Che as a bloody dictator and the people sporting the shirts as clueless kids. Admitedly, most poeple wearing the shirts had only the vaguest idea of who Che was themselves, so they weren't well prepared to defend his legacy when confronted. So now a lot of people have landed on the "Che bad" take because they remember the backlash to the shirts, even though they know less about Che than the "Che chic" devotees they snear at.
@@strangeloveesq Yep, was going to say this exactly. Che's image has just become part of symbolic ideology after that early-2000s nonsense, the history is not understood at all.
I only found out more about Che when I started playing Tropico and actually decided to read up on the figures that were mentioned. Before that, I knew him as "that guy on the 99% t shirts" and "that guy who my grandparents naturally hate"
I think it's kind of like how the Irish see Irish-Americans valorizing IRA figures. Like you can support the cause of the Cuban revolution generally but he had a reputation for murdering deserters and people who were suspected of being disloyal and his later career, flying to foreign countries and launching guerilla wars without the support of local Communist parties was foolish imperialist adventurism that got a lot of people killed for no good reason, no matter what you think of the regimes he was opposing. I'd have more respect for someone wearing a Bobby Sands t-shirt because he at least displayed courage in prison.
Remember when he had hundreds of Cubans executed in football stadiums? Remember when he trained soldiers to massacre civilians in Angola? Remember how he died running away into the jungle like a little bitch?
Yeah man that’s all it is. Anyone I come across who is a self identified republican or conservative I ask “why are you racist” and then just watch them try to wiggle themselves out of it. There’s no real reason to be “republican” other than to identify with white supremacy, revisionist history, and American Exceptionalism on SOME level.
I think that's the the reason we leftists have to take the idea of patriotism from them and define it ourselves. Patriotism is if you love your country because of the good things and wanna change it for the better. To fight against the destructive fascism or neo conservatism/liberalism and so on. Don't leave the uniting idea of patriotism to the right because you know that you live in a country where patriotism is brainwashed into the people from the early youth on and use it to make things better. Try to get some of yours in to politics, army and other fields to shape those things for the better. This is what fundamental Christians and Nationalists are doing. This are the positions of power. Don't leave them to THEM.
The worst 'American' take I came across was: as Brexit was 'being done', I had a disagreement with an American who was insisting that Donald Trump would not allow a bad Brexit deal. I tried to explain that this was Europe, and his opinion wasn't even regarded let alone respected for this decision. It turns out this guy thought 'Leader of the Free World' was an actual title, and that all free nations were actually subjugate to America. Apparently the irony of having one nation in charge of a free world was lost on him, and perhaps the most American understanding of 'freedom' I've ever come across.
Yikes. He's not even trying to help people here. Someone said to me recently that Donald was trying to fix high rent costs (going on about dishonest people while she was totally ok with cheating on her taxes btw). Um, what? He doesn't even pay his own bills. They'll believe anything.
@@shizachan8421 Nobody was, that's the point - there's no such title. It's just something Americans colloquially call the President. I can't tell if it's part of the origin of the mtyh that America is the only free nation, or if it's a consequence of that myth. Either way - no, nobody is considered 'the leader of the free world', for obvious reasons.
As a Black American descendant of enslaved Africans I am able to view America from a different perspective than the perpetually patriotic privileged people. Excellent video
As a Black African whose ancestors profited heavily from slave trade i just want to thank you for your struggle. When the times get hard just remember there are hundreds of your brothers and sisters in our homeland of Africa that live better lives then they would otherwise, because of sacrifices of your ancestors and many like them. I even have olympic sized heated pool in my basement.
and hardly anything about the civil war. and even if we do learn about ww2, its always the same, learn about D-day, learn about the holocaust ONLY targeting the Jews. Annnnnnd about the atomic bombings. nothing about how the axis became to be what it was, why so many people followed along with them, and committed industrial scale genocide wherever they went. and any other nuances about the conflict, per war, during the war, and post war. Plus you can throw in any other event in our history, or international history we've partaken in, that isn't included in lessons, or even elaborated on for what little bit of a crumb that is covered.
@@stratosphere2323 Yep, the very fact that America fought germany more because they were afraid of them getting powerful than any human rights abuses or the holocaust would also allow people to not be so blinded as to forget America was pretty much aligned with hitler in some of his rhetoric at the same time. It's why so many nazi families could have the balls to flee to America after the war.
@@cliffgaither Suspected* criminals. Half of all prisoners in America are awaiting trial, which is another insane stat. But, even taking your comment as face value...why so many suspected criminals, compared to even Russia and China? Is it really that Americans are that much more prone to criminality? Or, do we have a prison industrial complex that imprisons as many people as possible, for profit?
It would be normal if the people saying all that shit were just boomers that grew up during the cold war, but the fact that it's reddit means most of them are teenagers or in their 20s. Imagine being a 16 year old neocon lmao
I have to believe they're horribly sheltered suburban white teenagers in some shithole square state. Only a person dealing with the severe delusion that comes from that kind of upbringing could still believe that crap. I was 10 on 9/11 and belief in American exceptionalism is the extreme minority for my generation.
As someone who had primary education in North Carolina, USA, I remember being taught that the Civil War was fought over states rights. They taught slavery but softened the language to make the south sound better than they were.
I live in Orlando, Florida...its a left leaning city in a state that is getting more and more right wing. Its getting tough to be surrounded by American conservatism. The election of Trump has done a lot of damage...it feels like people's brains have melted.
Their brains were always the same. Those people were afraid to be racist in public, not on the internet as much before Trump, but idiotic conspiracy theories are making that group even worse. Check out the Good Liars if you aren’t familiar.
American here. We are indoctrinated into nationalism from the time we enter school at the age of 5. Some of the earliest 'history' we learn is how we, the new world, was discovered and thought to essentially be the promised land. And how settlers befriended the native people and worked together in harmony. All of our lessons are structured to frame us as the saviors of the world, the best nation, and that all other countries look up to us and try to mimic us. If you're religious, you are taught that the US is God's gift to the world. I had no idea how unhinged this all was until the past few years, when I got out of rural America and saw how unusual this nationalism was in other countries. It's so creepy, I can't stand it. I hope if I have kids, I can immigrate out of the US because I don't want them to experience what I did.
It is the celebration of colonialism and sanitizing the truth. I got kicked out of a history class for being disruptive. All I did was ask questions and read outside the textbook. Now the right is trying to stop teaching accurate history and call it teaching white guilt.
Personally, while I never heard the good native story, instead my classmates heard the wars, displacement and toppling of multiple mesoamerican empires, the only good thing I heard was the trade of goods which was immediately followed by the trade of diseases, but one thing I would like to mention is the pledge of allegiance, even from a young age I found it weird that we were the only country who did it that I feel is a very ubiquitous and oftentimes very effective form of indoctrination
I hate American capitalism and how brainwashed nationalists take control of the system here and there. But, as someone from america who’s grown up long enough to know that there are better places in the world than the usa, I can simply say that I’m awaiting the day I can travel to see what the world is like for myself. I ❤️ your content, mate! Keep it up!
My favorite part of patriotic folks is that they never call themselves “American.” They will identify as being from a country theyve never been to but their great great great grandparents are from when you ask. I’ve been here for the entire nearly 40 years of my life and no one ever says they are “American.” Ever. They’ll say they are 1/4th British, 1/2 Irish, 1/8th German, and 1/8th Polish before they ever call themselves “American” 😂
Those nationalities are a part of who I am. It is why I'm sensitive to the war in Ukraine . My family dealt with the Soviets and the Czar. Both sides of my family where opposed to Russia invading Japan . I look at the U.S as a work in progress and that it does some good in the world.
The use of the term American as their ethnicity is most common in the Southern US with white people with poor records usually linked to a combo of poverty, disasters (tornadoes, floods, fires), and jingoism/xenophobia. When the people who most strongly associate themselves with America/American are often the most bigoted of the populace, it produces a strong cultural incentive to not view oneself as well... American and as something more worldly than a Fox News watcher in a rural trailer.
@@woobiefuntime :: before you make comments about the united states doing "some good in the world" ; "being a work in progress" ... woobie ! you gotta provide some examples. the united states has spent 93% of its history fighting wars-of-aggreesion, throughout the world. is a werewolf a work-in-progress ? NO ! it must be put-down with a silver bullet AND putin has the bullet (s) to change the balance-of-power. _results of an international gallop-poll ( 2007 ) ::_ _question ::_ _"Which Country is the greatest threat to World-Peace ?"_ _answer ::_ _The United --- oh, --- why bother ! we all know the answer._
If tell someone "I'm a American!" It's like "so what? So's every one else here." Talking about your ancestry at least gives a start to some potential conversations. I know my background is mostly English and German, but I haven't tracked all the branches of my family tree back to Europe to count to get an exact fraction. I know my paternal line, carrying my name, came from Hanover before there was a single German state. Really that's not important, I don't know anyone still in Hanover, but it's all more interesting than American, which is really how I see myself.
I hate that anime has attracted so many conservatives, but I can honestly see why with what's usually popular nowadays. Which is why I assume people think Japan from WW2 was worth being supportive of. People empathise with the citizens of Japan and the victims of the US nuclear bombing but the Japanese government of the time was brutal.
You WHAT??? Bloody hell, they're lucky that most of the Aussies who fought the Japanese aren't alive any more- that idiot would NOT want to say that to my late grandfather's face!
@@TititoDeBologay What the ACTUAL HELL did the US have to do with Whitlam getting booted out?!?! I know they like to take the credit for absolutely everything, but that's just ridiculous.
@@beth7935 I recommend John Pilger's docco Other's People Wars and A Secret Country. You'll have a thorough insight of the matter, if You're interested.
Damn, you're so prolific. Thanks for uploading so many videos. I'm going through current and older ones and really enjoying them, though it's unfortunate that it's even necessary to criticize the topics you discuss.
Hakim has a lot of crazy stories from the point of an Iraqi who lived through invasion. There is a legend of a guy (or a group of people going by an alias) that sniped an insane amount of Americans in Iraq and is considered a national hero.
Che Guevara is one of the best examples humanity has ever seen. People saying he was homophobic don’t have any sources for this. He said something that was ignorant about black people in his youth, but this was before his political evolution.
I think its also funny when chums who are probably pretty hugh military fans disown Che, considering that the guy was probably the closest figure in modern history you unironically could call a true warrior.
@@lol-ih1tl He's extremely underrated, per Square Enix canon he is the greatest wizard to ever exist in terms of raw power, but people just look at him and see the weird blue cap without realizing that duck can literally nuke your planet
I always find it weird how people act like Truman cared that MacArthur would drop nukes on China. MacArthur and all of Truman's leadership thought he was insane for nuking civilians. Truman didn't care about MacArthur nuking military targets, he was just pissed that the press kept acting like MacArthur was the president and MacArthur kept bragging about military plans without approval. It's kind of revisionist how Truman gets painted as the good guy instead of actually the literal worst guy who just got caught up in his feelings that no one respected his authority and that he controlled the nukes.
MrBazBake :: Yeah ! I forgot about Truman's ego. FDR left him out-of-the-loop on many issues ; however, Truman's ego doesn't excuse him from being the most dangerous human -- Ever ! He was the precursor to Cartman !
Before Trump was elected, an older coworker and I were talking about the slogan 'Make America Great Again,' and I asked, "Okay, but when was it great? And for whom?" He gave a kind of 'back in the day,' vague answer, so I pressed him, asking, "When though? In the 50s, when women couldn't have their own checking account? In the 60s and 70s, when men were being drafted and sent to die in war they had no business in? Or maybe the late 70s when the surviving soldiers returned and got boned by the government? How about redlining? Fun times. No, too recent? How about the 30s, then , with Hoovervilles. Maybe the Prohibition era? Oh, or when we didn't allow women to vote. Jim Crow laws? How about the segregation and banning of Asian, Irish, and Italian immigrants? Or child labor in factories? The Civil War era? Slavery? Or how about we go way back to the start, where we slaughtered the native people, stole their homes, spread epidemics among their population, and wiped out their culture by forcing them into Christianity and boarding schools where they died by the hundreds? When was it equal?" (More or less, it is hard to remember a heated tirade from 6 years ago.) He kept trying to interrupt and contradict me, and by the end of it, he threw an open box cutter at me in a rage (it missed, thankfully), yelled about how unpatriotic and wrong I was, then stormed out to sulk in the bathroom. Our boss was there, and rather than write him up for literally throwing a knife at a coworker, he told me I wasn't allowed to discuss politics in the workplace anymore. (Richard was still allowed to, though, and he did. Frequently.) But you know, I feel my point still stands, because that's barely even a toe dipped into America's incredibly messed up history. Like, you ever realize if this was a fantasy or dystopian book, you'd be living in the evil country? That's kind of how it is. It boggles my mind to hear people champion the nation as some bastion of freedom and justice when it's just kind of a cesspool and always has been for some group of its own citizens since before it was even established, not to mention the rest of the world.
Make America Great (for old, rich, white men) Again. That's what they mean. I love how when we point out the factual history of the past we're un-American
I really enjoyed my stay in London but the cost of living seems absolutely insane and think I’d struggle to live there long-term. The public transport infrastructure is incredible and as you said the multicultural elements were fantastic. Loved the Borough market also
@@blardyhell3095 my best mate’s living in London atm and he say’s the rental prices are ridiculous and going up. He can afford it but it must be tough for a lot of people. Glad you’re still doing ok
There's also a lot of shitty capitalist urban planning about London - not even near as bad as most American cities as there is a decent public transport infrastructure and there are walkways besides almost every street, but a lot of those expensive af to rent properties in residential developments, even far away from zone 1, have an atrocious lack of any amenities within walkable distance (everything, even the tiniest shop, is usually on high streets, which can be 1 km or further away from you), and can all look depressingly the same in architectural style, all built out of the same brownish bricks, all having exactly the same shape, all having interior walls painted gray or some other depressing colour that does not lower market value and sometimes even poor sound insulation from your neighbours. Been living in London since 2016 and I can 100% say the urban planning of it is worse and more car-centric than most of Europe, (including my native country of Romania, most of Eastern Europe or even Russia, as Soviet urban planning always insured there would be amenities close to any housing block) and definitely significantly worse than any of China's tier 1 cities, which tend to have great infrastructure, just as much or more greenery than London nowadays, and walkable housing areas with amenities of their own in every part of the city. (not just on "high streets" ) China also has very cheap grocery home delivery services, so much so that you hear ridiculous stories like people ordering to their door instead of bothering to take the lift 10 floors down to the convenience store on the ground floor of their own apartment building, so, again, miles ahead of the UK in terms of modern urban amenities...
@@somethingsomething9008 unfortunately, acknowledging their class situation, reveals that keeping church and state separate is really a means to separate from the typical European tradition of a major landowning, tax collecting, church apparatus, with the goal of Keeping it (the church) apart from the economic landscape so that unbridled capitalist relations can work unimpeded. They could keep the brainwashing and messaging power of the pulpit, without having to officially pay them or deal with them in the state apparatus. Ultimately, for a left leaning person, the founding father's greatest contribution to history is laying bare the interests of the bourgeoisie, including their tactics and politics. Realistically any "based" opinions they had can only be said to be so in the context of progressing beyond feudalism and monarchism, which is a good thing in the grand scheme, but in a world where feudalism is long dead (in the imperial core anyway), bourgeois politics and philosophy are nothing but reactionary and done in the interest of their class and any part of their philosophy that aligns with the proletariat and its interests are at best coincidental and at worst insidious.
i was fortunate enough to spend my early 20s traveling all over the US, and then all over the globe. Once i travelled internationally, i was shocked to discovered most people thought US citizens were dumb, loud, and fat (but generous tippers.) National pride of any sort is stupid, IMO. Pride should come from something you accomplished, not born into. Seeing poverty in Africa, South and Central Americas and parts of Asia made me feel PRIVILEGED to be an American, but not “proud.”. Especially since the US is so incredibly wealthy, we shouldn’t have a single homeless, hungry, uninsured or uneducated person living here, yet here we are.
You’re not wrong. The military could only grow so huge, though, because of a massive immigration wave during the industrial boom. The borders were wide open to let literal AND figurative boatloads of people in, eager to work, even for exploitive wages. This in turn enriched those “captains of industry” we were always told how lucky we were to have.
I served in the US Marines which is basically an American/Military exceptionalism cult. The stuff I see posted is sometimes scary how divorced from reality.
America is exceptional. Biggest military in the world. Biggest economy in the world. Most influential culture in the world. That's an exception, America is exceptional.
My ex husband was a marine who was apart of operation Iraqi freedom. He was an absolute abusive sociopath who would get high and tell me all the insane shit he did over there. He also kept personal photos of dead Iraqis.
I consider myself patriotic in the sense that I have an emotional attachment to the UK, my country of birth, and I want to see it succeed and pull itself out of the awful state it’s in the right now. I also acknowledge and am willing to criticise my country for its history of colonialism and imperialism. Whether the UK will improve within my lifetime remains to be seen, but I can’t resign myself to the doomer mindset and I think my country can and should change for the better.
If only US Citizens had this mindset but no they get all mad when you mention the colonialism and cry about the "Woke" left revising history. We honestly need more people like you that aren't butt hurt by the bad things in the past.
As a US citizen living in the state of Indiana, I feel ya Lee. I consider myself a patriot in that I love my home country and state. More specifically, I love the people living in my country. I know large numbers of people in the US have never been allowed to enjoy the rights and freedoms we’re suppose to allow. And despite that, the US is still my home. I don’t want to see it collapse, as the fallout will no doubt kill many of my friends and family. I want to believe my country can change for the better, but I doubt that I’ll live long enough to see to see that happen. I still have to try.
I was talking to my friends dad one time about the Supreme Court after Amy coney Barrett was picked and he tried to tell me it doesn’t matter because, “historically Supreme Court justices have always made rulings against their party’s positions” One day I’d like to ask what he thinks about that after the overturning of Rowe v wade.
Austin Schmitt :: Your friend's Dad was right. The Supreme Court has made Rulings against the Political Party of the president who appointed them to the Court ... but those are by-gone days ( like when the Republicans were the Party of Lincoln and the Democrats were the Party of the Confederacy ). Those previous Justices lived in different times :: domestic unrest ; civil-strife ; the anti-war movement ; union-organizing ; the civil-rights movement ; feminists' movement ... the massive-population support for some kind of Justice, helped to form their Progressive Opinions [ FDR ]. A number of Presidents were very upset by their choices to the Court. Now, we are living in different Times and the South has re-emerge from Its ashes of defeat ... as soon as the Union-Forces left the Southern States ; now, at the height of Its Rebirth ; now, the Supreme Court has a majority Right-Wing Element. ( Justices who lied about respecting RoevsWade in order to be Confirmed. Justices who were rehearsed by The Federalists. ) RoevsWade is just the beginning ...
I'm a Canadian who was raised in the US, and while I have plenty of negative things to say about the 12 years that I spent living down there, I do have to give credit to most of my history teachers. I lived in a small fishing town along the southern Oregon coast, and let me tell you, the people in that town aren't cut from the same progressive cloth as those from places like Portland or Eugene. Even still, we had about 4 years of mandatory US history spread out over all of primary school, and the teachers didn't shy away from telling us about the fucked up things that the US did to blacks, Native Americans, Vietnamese, etc. Overall, I feel my history education in a rural US town was exceptionally good, given the circumstances.
I've never been to Oregon or met anyone from there, but in your history classes did they also teach about the Chinese internment camps that were instituted during WW2? Oregon was definitely within the region that Chinese Americans were imprisoned against their will
Funny most of the right wing and far right types I see say the Iraq was cringe but then talk about how Saddam Hussein was based and was an Arab Pinochet.
I think my high school Black History teacher had been a straight up Black Panther (think Eldridge Cleaver, not King T’Challa). He broke it all down, taught the unvarnished truth. I don’t think it was even possible to take his class and be, or remain, a “patriot.”
As a white mexican (that means more spaniard) i always found the American Patriotism... kinda cringe. Any blind patriotism its cringe, but the US one with the Canadian one and in some part the Israelite and the Australian was always very cringe to me. For the fact that country its based on fiction, the people who claim to be "American" are the invaders, its more like a social construct that an civilization. And i say this with pain, i admire how the defend freedom and hard work but...everything the Captain America stand for falls knowing that land was based on genocide and slavery (and before someone says it, the Spaniard fight against the natives of America was more war than ethnic cleaning). Thats why the wars on "multiculturalism" can't be compared between the US and Europe...i don't justify nationalists in European countries (specially the British ones, the litteral parent of the USA) but at least the people who claim to be the natives anthropologically are, well...the natives anthropologically talking. On the USA not. Thats why US Conservatives FEAR with power the CRT, because it litterally its the Kryptonite of the USA.
The most depressing, odd thing, I find, and I find it often.. is so many Southern Americans think that evolution is laughable and that we were created by a magical sky Daddy
As a spaniard, even one that really isnt into the whole historical blame on stuff that happened 500 years ago, yeah, I'll take that L, that shit, all on us, and do I wish I had a solution for that.
The odd thing is not all forms of nationalism are right wing. A lot of Irish nationalists are left wing, while Scottish nationalism is centrist/left of centre.
The way I see it, there is the left-wing form of nationalism, and then there’s the right-wing form. The left-wing form of nationalism is basically anti-colonialism, and then the right-wing form of nationalism is what people think of when they hear nationalism.
The craziest take I've heard from an ultra-patriotic American was some of the best laughter therapy EVER: "Americans have GOD-GIVEN RIGHTS that no-one else has. _You_ only have the rights your country allows you to have".
One of the most ridiculous and delusional perspectives I've encountered from a self proclaimed patriot is that we (The USA) have never committed any war crimes and have never done anything wrong in that regard. I pointed out the extensive fire bombing campaigns we unleashed on Japanese civilians during WW2 and they just justified it as a means to an end. So apparently mass murder of innocents is permissable so long as the country you're murdering the citizenship of is also guilty of the same thing and that TOTALLY doesn't muddy your moral high ground in ANY way according to some patriots.
Hey, head of the discord side of things of GenUSA, if it isn't clear it's a bit. The whole thing. It's mocking GenZeDong. It's doing what they do but applied to the US. Very fun. But anyhow, I do hope you don't hold any ill will towards us. I'm down for talking if you want to.
As a Hispanic American living in Texas, I’m ashamed on what the GOP had done. Even those GOP ads before this video. It makes me cringe. The GOP aren’t going to help us, there are making our lives a lot worse.
Funny story about MK Ultra... Allegedly, the US government was freaking out about how many American prisoners of war were admitting to war crimes while in captivity. The government assumed they were all being brainwashed somehow, and wanted to figure out how to do it themselves. Hence MK Ultra was created.
I don't think I've ever met a unapologetic pro-America patriot. I'm Canadian, so most of the Americans I've met were travelling, and they all more embarrassed than proud of the US. They were always shocked that Canada is equally bad in all the same ways though. Canada has (maybe had?) a pretty sanitized reputation around the world.
I'm an American who never into the indoctrination even as a child it was clear to me. How does everyone buy into it when it's so blatant? School was incredibly difficult for me and I was targeted for not standing for the pledge, asking too many questions, and clearly seeing the genocidal colonialism as bad.
Idk if you can understand this, but the nationalism helps to fight feelings of self hate and adopting this idea that colonization is a better alternative. Among Asian people in Vietnam and China and quite frankly all of Asia, you've got types who WISH they were colonized, some even HOPE they have white dna and have fantasy of how it got there like some strapping French/Brit MAN(always is one) had some novel romance with a native woman and it wasn't rape or coercian through chaotic social times brought on from invasion/colonization. Basically there are some with serious inferiority complex who have a fetishization of everything western and ignorant of their own histories and culture or knowledgeable to some degree and view it the same way a white supremacist would, backwards and in need of cleansing. With current media being what it is, these feelings are easy to implant and grow and might lead to a reactionary counter revolution. Imo nationalism is fine as long as it's not supremacist, where one believes other people need to adopt your ways or else get bombed.
We actually have this problem in India here as well. The fetishization of the west amongst some people and self-hate - which is usually means "we (the other indians) are so uncultured! yuck!" rather than any self criticism - is insane. They're straight up white supremacists.
I'm sorry.I don't believe in nationalism.Besides,in Malaysia,Malays believe they should have more rights than the Chinese and other minorities.I happen to be Malay myself and don't I believe in Patriotism.I also happen to be a trans woman which my country doesn't like.To be honest,I don't like nationalism because It's basically guarantees people of one nationality or ethnicity having a lot of privileges at the expense of others.Just expressing my opinion.My apologies for being rude.
Still,It's okay to be a patriot.Somehow,I think nationalism as more of caring one race at the expense of the other.While patriotism is about loving your country or people.As you said,we can care for our country without being racist about It.Though I don't exactly love my country in particular.It's basically like the US or Israel.
Iran was one of the most educated countries on the planet with amazing women's rights policies for that region until America pissed them off so much they chose to give away their freedom to get away from our influence.
My grandfather was Chinese and fought in the civil war for Chiang Kai-Shek’s army. Then he fled to Taiwan, married a Taiwanese woman and they had four kids including my father. When I travelled over there as a kid he showed me the big round bullets still stuck in his armpit and back. Growing up, my dad never told me about his country’s/family’s history but my conservative white American mother told me how my yei-yei survived the red army by hiding up in a tree from his tutors while his family was slaughtered. They were wealthy land owners. Then he ran away to the nationalist army and fought the communists. I never learned about China Kai shek’s crimes and always thought that my yei-yei was part of the “good guys.” Learning he wasn’t really blew my mind. I also don’t think the red army were necessarily good guys either but I understand/sympathize with their cause much more. Now I’m on a journey into learning more about my history but it’s been difficult to find relatively unbiased sources. If anyone reading this has any suggestions of good docs or books, please let me know. I really wish my dad would talk about his family more but he’s always hesitant/embarrassed and I think he’s traumatized about his childhood. My dream is to travel to China and to learn more about my family history. 🇨🇳🇹🇼
1) Fun Fact about r/GenUSA, it was made as a counter-balance to r/GenZedong. I didn't even know the Chiang Kai Shek sub even existed, but it makes sense to have subreddits for both general-despots that caused mass death in China if you already have the one. 2) Does communism/socialism/general-leftism only function with willing and co-operative support from established, capitalist nations? That seems to be the point you're bringing up with Cuba's embargo (and not bringing up its thaw). 3) Yeah, alphabet guys are never known for their generosity or good-will (where you talk about MK-Ultra, et al.) Stopping at 14:34 to go get dinner, but this is definitely an... interesting video. Gonna finish this later to see what else the gears in your head turn towards.
My idea of Patriotism is loving your county, but wanting to make it better, which requires acknowledging its faults. But still, there's a danger in advocating for your own country at the expense of people in other countries. That's a danger, but I also feel we need some of that because nobody else is going to look out for us. Still, being In dominant position we need to watch that we don't push so hard. Anyway, I can see some value, it's good to like where you live, it's good to work to make it better, but there's some balance there you need to take
@@immanuelcunt7296also no public healthcare, rampant homelessness, unaccountable police and the highest prison population in the world by far. Victorian England was also powerful and simultaneously a shithole, go figure.
@@asagoldsmith3328 Nope, being more capable to figbt is better than being less capable. Having a stronger economy is better than not having one. Having cultural exports that others are willing to pay for is better than not having it.
I can't be mad, I do love America, it's my home. It's not in a good condition. That's why I will fight to make the U.S a better place for the next generation. One man can never make the world a better place but passing down the passion to help our situation is truly what matters.
I once said "America needs to catch up with the rest of the world, we can't keep claiming to be the best when other countries are treating their citizens better even if it's only in specific aspects." And it turned into me being told "just leave if you don't like it" I WANT to like my country, but I don't, if I could change it for the better I would, but I can't. Why is it so horrible of me to want to make it better?
People in America act like it's so easy to just show up at another country and say "hey. So I didn't like the u.s.. I live here now." And then we have pathetically small quotas for legal immigration for those countries where people want to move to the U.S. and then regularly say stuff about how " oh yeah we want legal immigrants we just think you shouldn't only be here if you are an illegal immigrant." It's as if they think America gets to strictly gatekeep who gets to be a legal resident but other countries with better quality of life should just accept all of the u.s. social and political dissidents.
I'm a patriot, and I'm a leftist. It's perfectly possible to be both. The difference between patriotism and nationalism is that patriotism is about pride in your culture, and nationalism is about putting your country before any other. It's unfortunate , though not surprising, that a lot of patriots are also nationalists.
I think that's the the reason we leftists have to take the idea of patriotism from them and define it ourselves. Patriotism is if you love your country because of the good things and wanna change it for the better. To fight against the destructive fascism or neo conservatism/liberalism and so on. Don't leave the uniting idea of patriotism to the right because you know that you live in a country where patriotism is brainwashed into the people from the early youth and use it to make things better. Try to get some of yours in to politics, army and other fields to shape those things for the better. This is what fundamental Christians and Nationalists are doing. This are the positions of power. Don't leave them to them.
Genuine question, why do modern leftists hate nationalism so much? You do realize that basically all of the 20th century left wing leaders were nationalists, right? How do you expect to get anything done when you can't even put your own country first?
I find myself liking the citizens of foreign nations a lot more than their governments... I feel the same about my own country too (American here). People need to be less butthurt when the bullshit of their country gets called out.
@Kenji Azurai Good to read! I'm sure most people interested in seeing the world and interacting with people outside of their comfort zone would make an effort to be so.
@Kenji Azurai Honestly I don't think there is a government on this planet people have good reason to have issues with, my own especially :D I think we can agree it's pretty bad to take it out on individuals from those countries though. Anyway I hope all the tourists you meet personally show you kindness and respect. Have a great day!
Dude I saw that one of the most bizarre efforts I’ve ever seen him undertake. These brazen displays of condescension where he’ll videotape an “address to Muslim people”, thinking that he for some reason has the authority to straight up give them orders. Imagine if some Chinese guy filmed a tape where he was speaking in Chinese telling Americans what to do… the balls on this guy
@@FrostRare :: It takes balls to think you know everything and can give unsolicited advice to everyone -- No Matter ! how many Centuries their Religion has lived before you !
I would also like to say I live in New York and got a better education than most. We learned about slavery, the trail of tears and hiroshima and stuff, but still I feel like my highschool education was very white washed and made America look like we were ultimately the good guys. It wasn't until I went to college when I learned about the truly heinous actions the US had committed. I was fortunate to have an excellent history professor who I took for four semesters. One class I took with him focused heavily on the cold war and all the atrocities the US committed to suppress "communism" around the globe. Most of these people weren't even really communists, they just wanted to nationalize a natural resource, and the US backed genocidal fascist coups.
As someone in college to be a teacher in the U.S., something that bothers me is that each state dictates to you exactly what you teach. The whole CRT thing is backlash against those teachers who try to teach this country's history from a more accurate lens by including the experiences of those of non-European decent. Something that we were taught in our teaching methods courses was to create lessons to be inclusive of the cultural backgrounds of our students. As America's classrooms become less white this is going to become more of a problem for those right-wingers who value the myths they were taught in that America was always the good guy. I can say as a disabled (white) person from birth, we don't even teach that history accurately. It would be far more useful for the able-bodied to learn about how we were historically treated rather than the inspiration porn story of oh, look a deaf/blind person of privilege got to be educated! Isn't it wonderful!
I feel like I should add that one of the things that drew me to pursue a career in education in the first place was seeing how my peers with learning disabilities were treated in the mainstream classroom environment as a child. Knowing that we as disabled people were historically excluded from being educated, it has driven me to be a force for change as much as I can be at any rate. I'm realizing from the other side that the system itself is ableist and I may be hitting institutional brick walls more often than not.
As an American woman with a 13 y/o boy and 5 y/o girl, who turned 39 yesterday (10/27), born under Regan 👎, I was 18 when 9/11 happened. I never thought America was "right" for the things we had done in the past but over the last 20 years things have gotten so much worse. The quality of education in this country is appalling! As someone who lives in California, I'm glad I do, the things that they don't teach in "red" states is hurting them more than they know. But they just want right wing sheep who believe the propaganda that they shovel in their brains! They do not teach any kind of critical thinking skills in public schools anymore. My partner and I have to teach them how to think for themselves. I have too much else to say as the comment would be 3 pages long but just watch out for America in 30 years. Let's just say I'm scared to death!
Pretty much every US town has a decommissioned tank, helicopter, or similar military vehicle in it. It's so normal I feel like nobody thinks about it but they display them on the side of the road outside of veterans clubs like the VFW.
I am an American and I do appreciate certain aspects about my native country. However I don't share the all or nothing love for the United States that so many here have. They subscribe to the idea that you either love everything about this country or you're a traitor. It's ridiculous
I've taught a lot of Israeli students and the amount of cognitive dissonance they have just in order to blindly support neo conservatism is insane. Even the most liberal kid I taught 10 years ago, who would criticize the Israeli government and did talk about how he wanted Palestinian freedom, eventually joined the Israeli Air Force and is now such a right-wing "badass" he came back to the US to get married and then take her back there to indoctrinate his kids. I still like them but I lost a lot of respect for him
ugh these are such refreshing takes. it's nice to hear historians talk about this kind of stuff, because you refute their talking points so easily. it's a wonder what reading a variety of points of view will do lol. also, if you're interested in engaging in some more decolonization, my history prof made a strong case against calling the US "America". because it's not the americas. the americas are diverse, and if you start thinking about how the US has treated Latin America, the implications of it become very colonial. not trying to tell you what you can and cant say, but I no longer refer to the US as America. love your stuff!
As an American leftist I despise nationalism with all my being. To me nationalism always leads to fascism. I refuse to say the Pledge of Allegiance or stand for the National Anthem. Why? Because I know that America is an imperialist power and has done so much bad shit in the world I can't even try to respect it. As MLK said, "The United States is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world" and he was totally right. I grew up being brainwashed into the myth of American exceptionalism. But after reading a lot of left wing books I came to the conclusion that all my previous beliefs were untrue. I am now a much better person than I was.
It was a bit of a throwaway line, but your comment on Vietnam having had more bombs dropped on them than all bombs dropped in WW2 is only partially right, it's in fact much worse than that. Most of those bombs were actually mines and cluster munitions, most of which never detonated. It effectively makes giant swathes of the country unlivable, basically forever. Unimaginable cruelty
Another major problem with the second Iraq war was the justification for going to war was largely based on faulty intelligence like stockpiling weapons of mass destruction and uranium.
Exceptionalism is the pinnacle of narcissitc arogance. "I'm a human, therefore, humanity is the greatest species" "I live on Earth, therefore the entire universe exists because of Earth" "I live in America, therefore America is the greatest nation on Earth" "I'm "x" religion, therefore it's the only true religion"
I was a senior in high school when the Iraq war broke out. Our P.E. Classes started to have the U.S. army come in and have us to obstacle courses. I’d refuse to participate and was berated by my teacher and fellow students. Most my fellow students would go on to serve 😶
How? Is being in debt for the rest of your life for the “crime” of getting a high level education freedom? Is being doomed to work for low wages for the rest of life simply because you happened to be born into a lower class family freedom?
@@DavidSwe freedom meaning capitalism is fundamental belief in America similar to a Christian’s faith in christ. This faith is the core justification for many things such as the Cold War, systemic racism, and proof of American moral purity.
@@DavidSwe now to answer your question First, American liberal: your criticism is totally valid but we shouldn’t rush things. Furthermore, we all know that Nancy Pelosi is doing her best. If only Democrats had 123 % control of the legislative branch then they would solve all the stupid shit your complaining about. And have you ever thought about voting harder? In addition, I have couple ngo flyers so you can donate to save people that really need charitable donations unlike you!
I think religion does a ton of damage, but one thing I'm grateful for one thing in my upbringing: growing up in a pacifist religious group that discouraged engaging in displays of nationalism. Made things awkward around 9/11, but it helped me keep perspective.
I think the biggest problem is the conflation of patriotism and nationalism as one and the same - it's even showing up in your own narrative, where you describe patriotism as people who think that America can never do any wrong. Something that's associated with that silly conflation is that people tend to believe that you can't be a critical patriot. People seem to think that either you're a blindly nationalist 'patriot' who believes your country does no wrong or you're not patriotic. I think that goes against the actual patriots like Chelsea Manning, people who care about their country but accept its flaws and actively work to resolve them.
I think the answer to the question of patriotism and the "Left" lies in how patriotism is defined. If we look at patriotism in the kindest light possible and define it as, essentially, trying one's best to uphold the ideals of one's country (in an educated way that actually demands that one have at least _read_ the Constitution, or whatever one's country's founding document(s) is/are) and doing what one can in service and to the benefit of the other people in one's country, then I think leftism and patriotism can go together. If, however, we view patriotism in the worst light, and unfortunately the light that most often shines on it, and define it as, essentially, allegiance to the symbols of one's country while letting demagogues define and redefine, minute to minute sometimes, the meaning behind those symbols, as well as fostering an "us vs. them" mentality with regard to the rest of the world, then no, leftism and this superficial patriotism aren't anywhere near each other. That kind of symbol-over-substance ideology is inherently right wing, and leftists who embrace invariably become more right wing (or reveal themselves to be the right-wingers they already were).
It wasn’t just third world countries the U.S. has meddled in. They, along with Lizzie and (I recently found out) our new monarch, King Charles the Defender of Tampons, we’re intimately involved in the dismissal of the democratically elected Whitlam Labor Government in Australia in 1972. Hence my personal ambivalence and at times revolution towards both powers.
I don't like patriotism at all and also how it is wielded, i am disgusted by the Americana governments actions, but like you mentioned there are some things about where you are from. I mostly distill that down to my family, the people i grew up with, just you know born here 35 years and I am very aware that the states shaped who I am very much, in a odd way the horribleness of it are responsible for the better traits of me. being exposed too the policies, the racism (I am from Arkansas which is quite southern) so even still I see a lot of racist stuff, not overtly honestly, it is hard to explain how some people down here really don't understand the way racism has been engrained into parts of the culture here and some people who aren't naturally intellectually curious, I don't want to say not smart because they might be smart, but they don't hear something and want to dive deeper naturally,, and that can be in regards to nearly everything. I probably would not be getting a MA in Human Rights Studies right now had I not been from america and specifically the south, but I am leaving once I finish this program as I am horribly concerned about political violence. I don't want to even call it polarization anymore because there is blood lust from the right and i mean a lot, way more than what we are used too and honestly I would be fine living in a high crime area (already do, top 10 per capita crimes in almost all categories sin my city), but I can't stand the fucking total separation from reality that so much of the country has and how it is inescapable from hearing and seeing every day. Like it is kind of horrifying having watched over 35 years, mostly starting in early high school with iraq war the drifting and total separation of realities and facts upon which are believed in the country, it is a very odd thing to happen, So very much dislike american patriotism but im happy the awfulness of it inspired me to do something positive with my life.
My disillusionment began in my early adulthood. I loved the USA, I was born here in California, I began to feel out of place in Southern California as Mexican woman after my safety net of my mother died, she was well off and we were upper middle class. I was 18 and got pregnant by a ex bf. Thankfully I was in California, and got an abortion at no cost. I realized the world sucks for women, had I been in another state I wouldn’t have been so lucky. Being poor no one cares about you in the USA, and a minority who looks like a typical one, I could still be accused of being illegal. I’m even changing my last name to sound more white.
NeoCon Americans: ‘Land of the Free! Defender of Global Democracy!’
Also NeoCons: ‘Let’s send thousands of Americans to die in a war for oil 😍’
No they don't die for oil, they die for Hamburgers, Cheeseburgers, Big Mac, Whomper and a side of fries.
That place isn't really a neocon hub, it has lots of liberals and such, even socialists. Conservatives are actually a minority there. And this video just pretty much showed how you're biased to show bullshit about the other political hemisphere while not even recognizing about everything you used to blame or say "well they defend this guy/group who did bad" while at the other side there were as bad or even worse people.
Reminder that this subreddit is mainly a counter to r/GenZedong.
socialists famously want the US to do regime change in Iran and think the Iraq War was good lmao
@@TheKavernacle a post doesn't define every person in a subreddit, hope you recognize that
It’s one of the most popular of the last month - everyone in there is a Lib or a conservative. And all are teenagers who just read about US foreign policy on Wikipedia
MAGA communism sounds like.... national socialism
that's exactly what they are, they are nazbols
Did you know that the nazis only tried to copy the american experiment Manifest destiny? 😂
I don't see this brought up a lot as a response to "hur dur national SOCIALISM" but Germans in the early 20th century had a definition for socialism that was very different from Marxism. It was outlined in Prussianism and Socialism by Oswald Spengler and was the basis of the class collaboration that the Nazis espoused.
@@WarFarePictured oh yeah Hitler saw what we did to the natives and said “that’s what I’m talking about.”
Andrew Jackson used to ride around with a pouch full of Native Scalps.
But but but Jimmy Dore. . .
America is working perfectly as it was designed to do. Funnel all of the power and wealth to rich white landowners.
Channing Deadnight :: Bravo ! Your comment is heresy ! How do you live with yourself ? 😁
You can fool some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time.
You give us hope !
Meanwhile Americans blame the (non existing ) Socialists for the terrible state the U.S is in.
@@spiritualanarchist8162 it's always the socialists fault. You just have to ignore that the only universally loved programs in the US are totally socialist. Like social security lol.
In all honesty, America's the worst country in the world until you look at every other country of its size. Of course shit's gonna be bonkers, America's just too big, corrupt politicians enter the fray, idiots roam the streets fighting for things they don't understand. However, these are problems every country deals with, and it so happens that other countries of America's size are doing it worse than America. I mean, look at Russia. Working *just as intended*. . . as their armies get squashed in Ukraine, politicians major-league embezzle money, and Putin's popularity even in Russia tanks as recent riots have shown.
@@saturationstation1446 It's almost like European indentured servants and enslaved people lived, worked, and saw themselves as equal which was dangerous to the land owners who were terrified of the up risings and rebellions against them So white was made to give the poorest Europeans qualities of their oppressors.
Class consciousness is the greatest threat to the wealthiest. There's more of us than them
For me as an American seeing others boast about all the freedom we have yet in the same breath demonize drug users and abortion etc. It’s the hypocrisy that really sickens me.
Yeah hypocrisy is really the worst. I can respect someone I disagree with as long as they’re honest in their beliefs.
In Begium we even have a word for christian hypocrites in government. We call them “tsjeven”
Drug users are bad though.
Most imprisoned people of any country. But yeah... we're soooo free lol
@@jeepy2693 I wouldn’t say they’re bad, they have an addiction that’s taken control of them. They need therapy and rehab, not prison and a criminal record.
@@jeepy2693 They aren’t bad, they’re sick. And need help their country won’t give them
I think the craziest Americans are the ones who take American Exceptionalism to a new level and believe that God has some sort of preordained mission for America. You see that with a lot of evangelicals.
They really do believe that too, not just an excuse to spread their BS but that god himself carved out N. America for them specifically.
Yup. American Taliban
For real. People talk as if America is the holy land.
Yes! One nutjob legit told me "Americans have GOD-GIVEN RIGHTS that no-one else has. You only have the rights your country allows you to have". Truly excellent laughter therapy!
As an ex Mormon, mormonism is practically an American-exceptionalism religious cult
Most Americans don't know who Che Guevara is. That's giving us way too much credit. If they even recognize him it's because of the t-shirts.
Facts. I remember when Che Guevara shirts were everywhere in the late 90s and early 00s. Then we got the right-wing "Che bad" reaction that painted Che as a bloody dictator and the people sporting the shirts as clueless kids. Admitedly, most poeple wearing the shirts had only the vaguest idea of who Che was themselves, so they weren't well prepared to defend his legacy when confronted. So now a lot of people have landed on the "Che bad" take because they remember the backlash to the shirts, even though they know less about Che than the "Che chic" devotees they snear at.
@@strangeloveesq Yep, was going to say this exactly. Che's image has just become part of symbolic ideology after that early-2000s nonsense, the history is not understood at all.
I only found out more about Che when I started playing Tropico and actually decided to read up on the figures that were mentioned.
Before that, I knew him as "that guy on the 99% t shirts" and "that guy who my grandparents naturally hate"
I think it's kind of like how the Irish see Irish-Americans valorizing IRA figures. Like you can support the cause of the Cuban revolution generally but he had a reputation for murdering deserters and people who were suspected of being disloyal and his later career, flying to foreign countries and launching guerilla wars without the support of local Communist parties was foolish imperialist adventurism that got a lot of people killed for no good reason, no matter what you think of the regimes he was opposing. I'd have more respect for someone wearing a Bobby Sands t-shirt because he at least displayed courage in prison.
Remember when he had hundreds of Cubans executed in football stadiums?
Remember when he trained soldiers to massacre civilians in Angola?
Remember how he died running away into the jungle like a little bitch?
I have the believe most patriotism tends to have this horrid taste of right-wing fascism.
Yeah man that’s all it is. Anyone I come across who is a self identified republican or conservative I ask “why are you racist” and then just watch them try to wiggle themselves out of it. There’s no real reason to be “republican” other than to identify with white supremacy, revisionist history, and American Exceptionalism on SOME level.
I think that's the the reason we leftists have to take the idea of patriotism from them and define it ourselves.
Patriotism is if you love your country because of the good things and wanna change it for the better. To fight against the destructive fascism or neo conservatism/liberalism and so on. Don't leave the uniting idea of patriotism to the right because you know that you live in a country where patriotism is brainwashed into the people from the early youth on and use it to make things better. Try to get some of yours in to politics, army and other fields to shape those things for the better.
This is what fundamental Christians and Nationalists are doing. This are the positions of power. Don't leave them to THEM.
not all nationalism ends in fascism but fascism always starts with nationalism
@@Spielername sounds like Parenti's speech on Super Patriotism vs Patriotism.
That's your own projection, not the truth
The worst 'American' take I came across was: as Brexit was 'being done', I had a disagreement with an American who was insisting that Donald Trump would not allow a bad Brexit deal. I tried to explain that this was Europe, and his opinion wasn't even regarded let alone respected for this decision. It turns out this guy thought 'Leader of the Free World' was an actual title, and that all free nations were actually subjugate to America.
Apparently the irony of having one nation in charge of a free world was lost on him, and perhaps the most American understanding of 'freedom' I've ever come across.
Yikes. He's not even trying to help people here. Someone said to me recently that Donald was trying to fix high rent costs (going on about dishonest people while she was totally ok with cheating on her taxes btw). Um, what? He doesn't even pay his own bills. They'll believe anything.
Wasn't Angela Merkel considered the leader of the free world during Trumps presidency?
@@shizachan8421 Nobody was, that's the point - there's no such title. It's just something Americans colloquially call the President. I can't tell if it's part of the origin of the mtyh that America is the only free nation, or if it's a consequence of that myth. Either way - no, nobody is considered 'the leader of the free world', for obvious reasons.
As an American, this 💯 checks out 🤦♀️
@@shizachan8421🎯
For me, as an American, it took years of deprogramming to realize the myth of American exceptionalism (especially coming of age during 9/11).
When you turn 18 n you see draft card in mailbox 1yr later 😨😨
America IS exceptional.
It's just not all the ways it's exceptional are good.
Most countries are exceptional in some way, though
I feel you fr. 9/11 happened at the start of my senior year.
America is not exceptional not when we have so much poverty,bigotry, and blatant exploitation of workers.
@@SuprousOxide yeah like most deaths by lawnmower per capita
"We are the heirs of pax britannica"
Jesus fucking christ.
As a Black American descendant of enslaved Africans I am able to view America from a different perspective than the perpetually patriotic privileged people. Excellent video
As a Black African whose ancestors profited heavily from slave trade i just want to thank you for your struggle. When the times get hard just remember there are hundreds of your brothers and sisters in our homeland of Africa that live better lives then they would otherwise, because of sacrifices of your ancestors and many like them. I even have olympic sized heated pool in my basement.
The oligarchies and government of today profited off the backs of enslaved black people in the past.
@@hadrian2505 why are you people like this
All I learned in history class was the American revolution, the good parts of the constitution, and ww2 again and again and again…..and again
also the very surface level, partially twisted pieces of history of the civil rights movement
and hardly anything about the civil war. and even if we do learn about ww2, its always the same, learn about D-day, learn about the holocaust ONLY targeting the Jews. Annnnnnd about the atomic bombings. nothing about how the axis became to be what it was, why so many people followed along with them, and committed industrial scale genocide wherever they went. and any other nuances about the conflict, per war, during the war, and post war. Plus you can throw in any other event in our history, or international history we've partaken in, that isn't included in lessons, or even elaborated on for what little bit of a crumb that is covered.
@@stratosphere2323 Yep, the very fact that America fought germany more because they were afraid of them getting powerful than any human rights abuses or the holocaust would also allow people to not be so blinded as to forget America was pretty much aligned with hitler in some of his rhetoric at the same time.
It's why so many nazi families could have the balls to flee to America after the war.
I took a military history class, and they didn't cover anything after the war of 1812. I was hoping to learn about our recent wars...
spend 5 weeks on the normandy landing and not so much as a day on how popular hitler was in the USA right before our entry into the war.
"Freest country in the world!", they say, in the country with the highest total and per capita incarceration rates on earth.
Thr 13th amendment allows enslavement of prisoners. Mix that in with for profit prisons and Gitmo looks like a day in a spa
But your Lordship, those people are all criminals, aren't they ?
@@cliffgaither Suspected* criminals. Half of all prisoners in America are awaiting trial, which is another insane stat. But, even taking your comment as face value...why so many suspected criminals, compared to even Russia and China? Is it really that Americans are that much more prone to criminality? Or, do we have a prison industrial complex that imprisons as many people as possible, for profit?
@@vanquish421 :: I was being an A-hole with my question. You're absolutely right. Anything that makes a profit, is allowed in the United States !
@@vanquish421 :: You answered my question, though !
It would be normal if the people saying all that shit were just boomers that grew up during the cold war, but the fact that it's reddit means most of them are teenagers or in their 20s. Imagine being a 16 year old neocon lmao
16 yr old neocon....John Doyle?
I have to believe they're horribly sheltered suburban white teenagers in some shithole square state. Only a person dealing with the severe delusion that comes from that kind of upbringing could still believe that crap. I was 10 on 9/11 and belief in American exceptionalism is the extreme minority for my generation.
I'm an 18 year old neocon, I don't have to imagine.
@@HeortirtheWoodwarden ew
@@HeortirtheWoodwarden Go dig for oil somewhere, sucker
As someone who had primary education in North Carolina, USA, I remember being taught that the Civil War was fought over states rights.
They taught slavery but softened the language to make the south sound better than they were.
I live in Orlando, Florida...its a left leaning city in a state that is getting more and more right wing. Its getting tough to be surrounded by American conservatism. The election of Trump has done a lot of damage...it feels like people's brains have melted.
Ft Lauderdale here and feel the same.
Boricua or Cuban ?
Their brains were always the same. Those people were afraid to be racist in public, not on the internet as much before Trump, but idiotic conspiracy theories are making that group even worse. Check out the Good Liars if you aren’t familiar.
@@chrisperez3614 Cubano, I was born here though..in NJ
@@allanperez4063 I’m boricua but I was also born in NJ lol
American here. We are indoctrinated into nationalism from the time we enter school at the age of 5. Some of the earliest 'history' we learn is how we, the new world, was discovered and thought to essentially be the promised land. And how settlers befriended the native people and worked together in harmony. All of our lessons are structured to frame us as the saviors of the world, the best nation, and that all other countries look up to us and try to mimic us. If you're religious, you are taught that the US is God's gift to the world.
I had no idea how unhinged this all was until the past few years, when I got out of rural America and saw how unusual this nationalism was in other countries. It's so creepy, I can't stand it. I hope if I have kids, I can immigrate out of the US because I don't want them to experience what I did.
It is the celebration of colonialism and sanitizing the truth. I got kicked out of a history class for being disruptive. All I did was ask questions and read outside the textbook.
Now the right is trying to stop teaching accurate history and call it teaching white guilt.
Personally, while I never heard the good native story, instead my classmates heard the wars, displacement and toppling of multiple mesoamerican empires, the only good thing I heard was the trade of goods which was immediately followed by the trade of diseases, but one thing I would like to mention is the pledge of allegiance, even from a young age I found it weird that we were the only country who did it that I feel is a very ubiquitous and oftentimes very effective form of indoctrination
I hate American capitalism and how brainwashed nationalists take control of the system here and there. But, as someone from america who’s grown up long enough to know that there are better places in the world than the usa, I can simply say that I’m awaiting the day I can travel to see what the world is like for myself. I ❤️ your content, mate! Keep it up!
One tip When you visit a foreign country say you are canadian and not american 😂
@@WarFarePictured I've traveled Europe and no one gave a fuck that I was American
i mean u say american capitalism as if its just not capitalism "american capitalism" is just the logical conclusion of capitalism i'm afraid
@@cultural_marxism_fan American capitalism is unfettered capitalism. Capitalism is fine as long as it's under control.
@@cultural_marxism_fan I think it's because US capitalism has probably gone the furthest among capitalist countries.
My favorite part of patriotic folks is that they never call themselves “American.” They will identify as being from a country theyve never been to but their great great great grandparents are from when you ask. I’ve been here for the entire nearly 40 years of my life and no one ever says they are “American.” Ever. They’ll say they are 1/4th British, 1/2 Irish, 1/8th German, and 1/8th Polish before they ever call themselves “American” 😂
Those nationalities are a part of who I am. It is why I'm sensitive to the war in Ukraine . My family dealt with the Soviets and the Czar. Both sides of my family where opposed to Russia invading Japan . I look at the U.S as a work in progress and that it does some good in the world.
The use of the term American as their ethnicity is most common in the Southern US with white people with poor records usually linked to a combo of poverty, disasters (tornadoes, floods, fires), and jingoism/xenophobia. When the people who most strongly associate themselves with America/American are often the most bigoted of the populace, it produces a strong cultural incentive to not view oneself as well... American and as something more worldly than a Fox News watcher in a rural trailer.
@@woobiefuntime ::
before you make comments about the united states doing "some good in the world" ; "being a work in progress" ...
woobie ! you gotta provide some examples. the united states has spent 93% of its history fighting wars-of-aggreesion, throughout the world. is a werewolf a work-in-progress ? NO ! it must be put-down with a silver bullet AND putin has the bullet (s) to change the balance-of-power.
_results of an international gallop-poll ( 2007 ) ::_
_question ::_
_"Which Country is the greatest threat to World-Peace ?"_
_answer ::_
_The United --- oh, --- why bother ! we all know the answer._
@@cliffgaither Putin isn't the person you want having world power.
If tell someone "I'm a American!" It's like "so what? So's every one else here." Talking about your ancestry at least gives a start to some potential conversations.
I know my background is mostly English and German, but I haven't tracked all the branches of my family tree back to Europe to count to get an exact fraction.
I know my paternal line, carrying my name, came from Hanover before there was a single German state. Really that's not important, I don't know anyone still in Hanover, but it's all more interesting than American, which is really how I see myself.
I once had an American argue that they had the right to overthrow the Australian government because they fought Japan in WW2
I hate that anime has attracted so many conservatives, but I can honestly see why with what's usually popular nowadays. Which is why I assume people think Japan from WW2 was worth being supportive of. People empathise with the citizens of Japan and the victims of the US nuclear bombing but the Japanese government of the time was brutal.
They did though, kinda, with Gough Whitlam.
You WHAT??? Bloody hell, they're lucky that most of the Aussies who fought the Japanese aren't alive any more- that idiot would NOT want to say that to my late grandfather's face!
@@TititoDeBologay What the ACTUAL HELL did the US have to do with Whitlam getting booted out?!?! I know they like to take the credit for absolutely everything, but that's just ridiculous.
@@beth7935
I recommend John Pilger's docco Other's People Wars and A Secret Country.
You'll have a thorough insight of the matter, if You're interested.
Damn, you're so prolific. Thanks for uploading so many videos. I'm going through current and older ones and really enjoying them, though it's unfortunate that it's even necessary to criticize the topics you discuss.
Hakim has a lot of crazy stories from the point of an Iraqi who lived through invasion. There is a legend of a guy (or a group of people going by an alias) that sniped an insane amount of Americans in Iraq and is considered a national hero.
Really looking forward to the Iraqi war movies
Che Guevara is one of the best examples humanity has ever seen. People saying he was homophobic don’t have any sources for this. He said something that was ignorant about black people in his youth, but this was before his political evolution.
Che wasn't a good guy but we shouldn't have killed him like we did.
He was an authoritarian regardless. Watch you'll say authoritarianism is meaningless now. all vanguardists and tankies do.
@@kx7500 why do you think he was an authoritarian?
I think its also funny when chums who are probably pretty hugh military fans disown Che, considering that the guy was probably the closest figure in modern history you unironically could call a true warrior.
@@kx7500But he really wasn’t though. He didn’t even care for having any leadership. All he cared about was just leading revolutions.
Patriotism and Reddit gives me r/thedonald flashbacks lol
I was really disappointed when r/thedonald didn't have any Donald Duck posts. /s
@@lol-ih1tl He's extremely underrated, per Square Enix canon he is the greatest wizard to ever exist in terms of raw power, but people just look at him and see the weird blue cap without realizing that duck can literally nuke your planet
I always find it weird how people act like Truman cared that MacArthur would drop nukes on China. MacArthur and all of Truman's leadership thought he was insane for nuking civilians. Truman didn't care about MacArthur nuking military targets, he was just pissed that the press kept acting like MacArthur was the president and MacArthur kept bragging about military plans without approval.
It's kind of revisionist how Truman gets painted as the good guy instead of actually the literal worst guy who just got caught up in his feelings that no one respected his authority and that he controlled the nukes.
MrBazBake :: Yeah ! I forgot about Truman's ego. FDR left him out-of-the-loop on many issues ; however, Truman's ego doesn't excuse him from being the most dangerous human -- Ever ! He was the precursor to Cartman !
Before Trump was elected, an older coworker and I were talking about the slogan 'Make America Great Again,' and I asked, "Okay, but when was it great? And for whom?" He gave a kind of 'back in the day,' vague answer, so I pressed him, asking, "When though? In the 50s, when women couldn't have their own checking account? In the 60s and 70s, when men were being drafted and sent to die in war they had no business in? Or maybe the late 70s when the surviving soldiers returned and got boned by the government? How about redlining? Fun times. No, too recent? How about the 30s, then , with Hoovervilles. Maybe the Prohibition era? Oh, or when we didn't allow women to vote. Jim Crow laws? How about the segregation and banning of Asian, Irish, and Italian immigrants? Or child labor in factories? The Civil War era? Slavery? Or how about we go way back to the start, where we slaughtered the native people, stole their homes, spread epidemics among their population, and wiped out their culture by forcing them into Christianity and boarding schools where they died by the hundreds? When was it equal?" (More or less, it is hard to remember a heated tirade from 6 years ago.)
He kept trying to interrupt and contradict me, and by the end of it, he threw an open box cutter at me in a rage (it missed, thankfully), yelled about how unpatriotic and wrong I was, then stormed out to sulk in the bathroom. Our boss was there, and rather than write him up for literally throwing a knife at a coworker, he told me I wasn't allowed to discuss politics in the workplace anymore. (Richard was still allowed to, though, and he did. Frequently.)
But you know, I feel my point still stands, because that's barely even a toe dipped into America's incredibly messed up history. Like, you ever realize if this was a fantasy or dystopian book, you'd be living in the evil country? That's kind of how it is. It boggles my mind to hear people champion the nation as some bastion of freedom and justice when it's just kind of a cesspool and always has been for some group of its own citizens since before it was even established, not to mention the rest of the world.
Make America Great (for old, rich, white men) Again. That's what they mean. I love how when we point out the factual history of the past we're un-American
That shit did not happen
@@musaraa It absolutely did, but you can post it on r/thathappened anyway before you go back to playing Minecraft.
@@Prizzlesticks Minecraft better 😈😈😈😈
Live in Texas, 100% believe this happened. To so many more people. You are not alone.
I really enjoyed my stay in London but the cost of living seems absolutely insane and think I’d struggle to live there long-term. The public transport infrastructure is incredible and as you said the multicultural elements were fantastic. Loved the Borough market also
ye theres currently a massive housing shortage. loads of my mates are homeless. and im only in uni in ldn - relatively privileged.
@@blardyhell3095 my best mate’s living in London atm and he say’s the rental prices are ridiculous and going up. He can afford it but it must be tough for a lot of people. Glad you’re still doing ok
There's also a lot of shitty capitalist urban planning about London - not even near as bad as most American cities as there is a decent public transport infrastructure and there are walkways besides almost every street, but a lot of those expensive af to rent properties in residential developments, even far away from zone 1, have an atrocious lack of any amenities within walkable distance (everything, even the tiniest shop, is usually on high streets, which can be 1 km or further away from you), and can all look depressingly the same in architectural style, all built out of the same brownish bricks, all having exactly the same shape, all having interior walls painted gray or some other depressing colour that does not lower market value and sometimes even poor sound insulation from your neighbours.
Been living in London since 2016 and I can 100% say the urban planning of it is worse and more car-centric than most of Europe, (including my native country of Romania, most of Eastern Europe or even Russia, as Soviet urban planning always insured there would be amenities close to any housing block) and definitely significantly worse than any of China's tier 1 cities, which tend to have great infrastructure, just as much or more greenery than London nowadays, and walkable housing areas with amenities of their own in every part of the city. (not just on "high streets" ) China also has very cheap grocery home delivery services, so much so that you hear ridiculous stories like people ordering to their door instead of bothering to take the lift 10 floors down to the convenience store on the ground floor of their own apartment building, so, again, miles ahead of the UK in terms of modern urban amenities...
I absolutely despise Capitalism, Nationalism, Patriotism, Religion and Conservatism... that is everything America stands for.
The founding fathers where actually pretty based with their views on religion for the time
Sums up a hell of a lot of countries throughout the world
@@somethingsomething9008 probably the only "good" thing you can say about them.
@@johnlee5423 most countries in the world suck because of those things
@@somethingsomething9008 unfortunately, acknowledging their class situation, reveals that keeping church and state separate is really a means to separate from the typical European tradition of a major landowning, tax collecting, church apparatus, with the goal of Keeping it (the church) apart from the economic landscape so that unbridled capitalist relations can work unimpeded. They could keep the brainwashing and messaging power of the pulpit, without having to officially pay them or deal with them in the state apparatus. Ultimately, for a left leaning person, the founding father's greatest contribution to history is laying bare the interests of the bourgeoisie, including their tactics and politics. Realistically any "based" opinions they had can only be said to be so in the context of progressing beyond feudalism and monarchism, which is a good thing in the grand scheme, but in a world where feudalism is long dead (in the imperial core anyway), bourgeois politics and philosophy are nothing but reactionary and done in the interest of their class and any part of their philosophy that aligns with the proletariat and its interests are at best coincidental and at worst insidious.
i was fortunate enough to spend my early 20s traveling all over the US, and then all over the globe. Once i travelled internationally, i was shocked to discovered most people thought US citizens were dumb, loud, and fat (but generous tippers.)
National pride of any sort is stupid, IMO. Pride should come from something you accomplished, not born into. Seeing poverty in Africa, South and Central Americas and parts of Asia made me feel PRIVILEGED to be an American, but not “proud.”. Especially since the US is so incredibly wealthy, we shouldn’t have a single homeless, hungry, uninsured or uneducated person living here, yet here we are.
You’re not wrong. The military could only grow so huge, though, because of a massive immigration wave during the industrial boom. The borders were wide open to let literal AND figurative boatloads of people in, eager to work, even for exploitive wages. This in turn enriched those “captains of industry” we were always told how lucky we were to have.
I served in the US Marines which is basically an American/Military exceptionalism cult. The stuff I see posted is sometimes scary how divorced from reality.
America is exceptional. Biggest military in the world. Biggest economy in the world. Most influential culture in the world.
That's an exception, America is exceptional.
My ex husband was a marine who was apart of operation Iraqi freedom. He was an absolute abusive sociopath who would get high and tell me all the insane shit he did over there. He also kept personal photos of dead Iraqis.
@@advisorywarningand that’s what our culture is encouraging
I consider myself patriotic in the sense that I have an emotional attachment to the UK, my country of birth, and I want to see it succeed and pull itself out of the awful state it’s in the right now. I also acknowledge and am willing to criticise my country for its history of colonialism and imperialism. Whether the UK will improve within my lifetime remains to be seen, but I can’t resign myself to the doomer mindset and I think my country can and should change for the better.
Lee :: It's too bad countries don't "change for the better" without Domestic Unrest.
If only US Citizens had this mindset but no they get all mad when you mention the colonialism and cry about the "Woke" left revising history. We honestly need more people like you that aren't butt hurt by the bad things in the past.
You can also not be a patriot while also not being a doomer. British colonialism is also not just a historical thing its ongoing.
As a US citizen living in the state of Indiana, I feel ya Lee. I consider myself a patriot in that I love my home country and state. More specifically, I love the people living in my country. I know large numbers of people in the US have never been allowed to enjoy the rights and freedoms we’re suppose to allow.
And despite that, the US is still my home. I don’t want to see it collapse, as the fallout will no doubt kill many of my friends and family. I want to believe my country can change for the better, but I doubt that I’ll live long enough to see to see that happen. I still have to try.
I was talking to my friends dad one time about the Supreme Court after Amy coney Barrett was picked and he tried to tell me it doesn’t matter because, “historically Supreme Court justices have always made rulings against their party’s positions”
One day I’d like to ask what he thinks about that after the overturning of Rowe v wade.
Austin Schmitt ::
Your friend's Dad was right. The Supreme Court has made Rulings against the Political Party of the president who appointed them to the Court ... but those are by-gone days ( like when the Republicans were the Party of Lincoln and the Democrats were the Party of the Confederacy ).
Those previous Justices lived in different times :: domestic unrest ; civil-strife ; the anti-war movement ; union-organizing ; the civil-rights movement ; feminists' movement ... the massive-population support for some kind of Justice, helped to form their Progressive Opinions [ FDR ].
A number of Presidents were very upset by their choices to the Court.
Now, we are living in different Times and the South has re-emerge from Its ashes of defeat ... as soon as the Union-Forces left the Southern States ; now, at the height of Its Rebirth ; now, the Supreme Court has a majority Right-Wing Element. ( Justices who lied about respecting RoevsWade in order to be Confirmed. Justices who were rehearsed by The Federalists. )
RoevsWade is just the beginning ...
"Muh row wee wade! Not muh row wee wade! Muh abortions!"
- Least retarded pro-abort
It has the highest prison population IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD. Let that set in.
Also if any fellow GenUSA members come to this video, be respectful even if you think he is annoying
I'm a Canadian who was raised in the US, and while I have plenty of negative things to say about the 12 years that I spent living down there, I do have to give credit to most of my history teachers. I lived in a small fishing town along the southern Oregon coast, and let me tell you, the people in that town aren't cut from the same progressive cloth as those from places like Portland or Eugene. Even still, we had about 4 years of mandatory US history spread out over all of primary school, and the teachers didn't shy away from telling us about the fucked up things that the US did to blacks, Native Americans, Vietnamese, etc. Overall, I feel my history education in a rural US town was exceptionally good, given the circumstances.
I've never been to Oregon or met anyone from there, but in your history classes did they also teach about the Chinese internment camps that were instituted during WW2? Oregon was definitely within the region that Chinese Americans were imprisoned against their will
Funny most of the right wing and far right types I see say the Iraq was cringe but then talk about how Saddam Hussein was based and was an Arab Pinochet.
I've literally never seen this. It's always tankies and their types that support saddam. American nationalists hate him!
@@Tom_Cruise_Missile I have seen some American nationalists like him. I think it's more of the European ones most likely.
@@dragonborn3609 I've only seen Arab, Asian, or African nationalists like him as some "anti-colonial" figure
I think my high school Black History teacher had been a straight up Black Panther (think Eldridge Cleaver, not King T’Challa). He broke it all down, taught the unvarnished truth. I don’t think it was even possible to take his class and be, or remain, a “patriot.”
Who is Eldridge Cleaver? The only Black Panther I know of is Malcolm X.
@@henryfleischer404 he wasn't apart of the Black panther he was apart of the N.O.I
@@BigRell91 Oh, ok. What was N.O.I?
As a white mexican (that means more spaniard) i always found the American Patriotism... kinda cringe.
Any blind patriotism its cringe, but the US one with the Canadian one and in some part the Israelite and the Australian was always very cringe to me.
For the fact that country its based on fiction, the people who claim to be "American" are the invaders, its more like a social construct that an civilization.
And i say this with pain, i admire how the defend freedom and hard work but...everything the Captain America stand for falls knowing that land was based on genocide and slavery (and before someone says it, the Spaniard fight against the natives of America was more war than ethnic cleaning).
Thats why the wars on "multiculturalism" can't be compared between the US and Europe...i don't justify nationalists in European countries (specially the British ones, the litteral parent of the USA) but at least the people who claim to be the natives anthropologically are, well...the natives anthropologically talking.
On the USA not.
Thats why US Conservatives FEAR with power the CRT, because it litterally its the Kryptonite of the USA.
Castilian?
@@FrostRare Castizo you mean?
The most depressing, odd thing, I find, and I find it often.. is so many Southern Americans think that evolution is laughable and that we were created by a magical sky Daddy
I know.southerners are the most stupid people on earth.
I have said it many times before and I will keep saying it again: unless the US moves away from Christianity, true democracy will never happen there.
As a spaniard, even one that really isnt into the whole historical blame on stuff that happened 500 years ago, yeah, I'll take that L, that shit, all on us, and do I wish I had a solution for that.
“Yeah but I mean come on guys there southerners what do you expect”
“America is a third-world country with a Gucci belt.”
-PhillyD
@Michael Sousa Thanks to Republican Groomers, red states have the worst economies in the entire USA, because they want slave labor.
@Michael Sousa 🤦
The odd thing is not all forms of nationalism are right wing. A lot of Irish nationalists are left wing, while Scottish nationalism is centrist/left of centre.
The way I see it, there is the left-wing form of nationalism, and then there’s the right-wing form.
The left-wing form of nationalism is basically anti-colonialism, and then the right-wing form of nationalism is what people think of when they hear nationalism.
The craziest take I've heard from an ultra-patriotic American was some of the best laughter therapy EVER:
"Americans have GOD-GIVEN RIGHTS that no-one else has. _You_ only have the rights your country allows you to have".
You missed the biggest shrine to war criminals, Six Grandfathers Mountain
One of the most ridiculous and delusional perspectives I've encountered from a self proclaimed patriot is that we (The USA) have never committed any war crimes and have never done anything wrong in that regard. I pointed out the extensive fire bombing campaigns we unleashed on Japanese civilians during WW2 and they just justified it as a means to an end.
So apparently mass murder of innocents is permissable so long as the country you're murdering the citizenship of is also guilty of the same thing and that TOTALLY doesn't muddy your moral high ground in ANY way according to some patriots.
Hey, head of the discord side of things of GenUSA, if it isn't clear it's a bit. The whole thing. It's mocking GenZeDong. It's doing what they do but applied to the US. Very fun.
But anyhow, I do hope you don't hold any ill will towards us. I'm down for talking if you want to.
You in the discord? It’s me dadave
@@HistoricalFanatics no man I'm totally not in the discord :face:
As a Hispanic American living in Texas, I’m ashamed on what the GOP had done. Even those GOP ads before this video. It makes me cringe. The GOP aren’t going to help us, there are making our lives a lot worse.
you should talk about Ano Monarchism (Anarchy with a monarch that's only job is to enforce it)
That sounds ridiculous
Rojava moment
Why?
Giga-Cringe
Why should anyone talk about things that are so obviously trollish? Ano-monarchism is even more stupid than ancap
Funny story about MK Ultra...
Allegedly, the US government was freaking out about how many American prisoners of war were admitting to war crimes while in captivity.
The government assumed they were all being brainwashed somehow, and wanted to figure out how to do it themselves.
Hence MK Ultra was created.
I don't think I've ever met a unapologetic pro-America patriot. I'm Canadian, so most of the Americans I've met were travelling, and they all more embarrassed than proud of the US. They were always shocked that Canada is equally bad in all the same ways though. Canada has (maybe had?) a pretty sanitized reputation around the world.
I'm an American who never into the indoctrination even as a child it was clear to me. How does everyone buy into it when it's so blatant? School was incredibly difficult for me and I was targeted for not standing for the pledge, asking too many questions, and clearly seeing the genocidal colonialism as bad.
Thank you for quickly elaborating on Iran, especially what the us did in the 50s. And you’re right, Iranians don’t want the Americans in Iran.
Idk if you can understand this, but the nationalism helps to fight feelings of self hate and adopting this idea that colonization is a better alternative. Among Asian people in Vietnam and China and quite frankly all of Asia, you've got types who WISH they were colonized, some even HOPE they have white dna and have fantasy of how it got there like some strapping French/Brit MAN(always is one) had some novel romance with a native woman and it wasn't rape or coercian through chaotic social times brought on from invasion/colonization.
Basically there are some with serious inferiority complex who have a fetishization of everything western and ignorant of their own histories and culture or knowledgeable to some degree and view it the same way a white supremacist would, backwards and in need of cleansing. With current media being what it is, these feelings are easy to implant and grow and might lead to a reactionary counter revolution. Imo nationalism is fine as long as it's not supremacist, where one believes other people need to adopt your ways or else get bombed.
We actually have this problem in India here as well. The fetishization of the west amongst some people and self-hate - which is usually means "we (the other indians) are so uncultured! yuck!" rather than any self criticism - is insane. They're straight up white supremacists.
I'm sorry.I don't believe in nationalism.Besides,in Malaysia,Malays believe they should have more rights than the Chinese and other minorities.I happen to be Malay myself and don't I believe in Patriotism.I also happen to be a trans woman which my country doesn't like.To be honest,I don't like nationalism because It's basically guarantees people of one nationality or ethnicity having a lot of privileges at the expense of others.Just expressing my opinion.My apologies for being rude.
Still,It's okay to be a patriot.Somehow,I think nationalism as more of caring one race at the expense of the other.While patriotism is about loving your country or people.As you said,we can care for our country without being racist about It.Though I don't exactly love my country in particular.It's basically like the US or Israel.
For me its "I hate america's systemic issues but I LOVE the Grand Canyon" lmao
If it makes you feel better I’m the exact same about the UK. Love the nature in England and Scotland - hate everything else 😂
32:50 WOWZERS YOU ARE SUCH A BADASS!!!
It’s just people who are chronically online and mix and match their political views from political compass memes
Oh and these guys are clearly just like 15 lol
Iran was one of the most educated countries on the planet with amazing women's rights policies for that region until America pissed them off so much they chose to give away their freedom to get away from our influence.
That's hilarious
The Islamic revolution was Americas fault 🤔 that's the best one lve heard in ages 😂
@@johnlee5423 ever heard of Mohammad Reza Pahlavi and Mohammad Mosaddegh? The CIA/British Coup reinstating the Monarchy in order to get the oil.
@@nerrler5574 the people of Iran were better off under the Shah than under the theocratic fascists
@@johnlee5423 due to mosaddegh and his policies, the shah was also still an authoritarian that suppressed opposition to his coup.
Ngl bro before I clicked on the video I thought you'd be a conservative American, turns out I was pleasently surprised 🤣
My grandfather was Chinese and fought in the civil war for Chiang Kai-Shek’s army. Then he fled to Taiwan, married a Taiwanese woman and they had four kids including my father. When I travelled over there as a kid he showed me the big round bullets still stuck in his armpit and back.
Growing up, my dad never told me about his country’s/family’s history but my conservative white American mother told me how my yei-yei survived the red army by hiding up in a tree from his tutors while his family was slaughtered. They were wealthy land owners. Then he ran away to the nationalist army and fought the communists. I never learned about China Kai shek’s crimes and always thought that my yei-yei was part of the “good guys.” Learning he wasn’t really blew my mind. I also don’t think the red army were necessarily good guys either but I understand/sympathize with their cause much more.
Now I’m on a journey into learning more about my history but it’s been difficult to find relatively unbiased sources. If anyone reading this has any suggestions of good docs or books, please let me know. I really wish my dad would talk about his family more but he’s always hesitant/embarrassed and I think he’s traumatized about his childhood. My dream is to travel to China and to learn more about my family history. 🇨🇳🇹🇼
1) Fun Fact about r/GenUSA, it was made as a counter-balance to r/GenZedong. I didn't even know the Chiang Kai Shek sub even existed, but it makes sense to have subreddits for both general-despots that caused mass death in China if you already have the one.
2) Does communism/socialism/general-leftism only function with willing and co-operative support from established, capitalist nations? That seems to be the point you're bringing up with Cuba's embargo (and not bringing up its thaw).
3) Yeah, alphabet guys are never known for their generosity or good-will (where you talk about MK-Ultra, et al.)
Stopping at 14:34 to go get dinner, but this is definitely an... interesting video. Gonna finish this later to see what else the gears in your head turn towards.
My idea of Patriotism is loving your county, but wanting to make it better, which requires acknowledging its faults.
But still, there's a danger in advocating for your own country at the expense of people in other countries. That's a danger, but I also feel we need some of that because nobody else is going to look out for us. Still, being In dominant position we need to watch that we don't push so hard.
Anyway, I can see some value, it's good to like where you live, it's good to work to make it better, but there's some balance there you need to take
Good for trying to make your country better, see what people in other places have done.
And bring back food. Food is always good.
I've argued with an American online who had never heard someone complain about the motivation for the American wars in the middle east.
One time I told my dad something like “I don’t think America is any better than any other country” his response was “Then I failed in raising you” 😂
Most powerful military, economy, and cultural exports...
@@immanuelcunt7296also no public healthcare, rampant homelessness, unaccountable police and the highest prison population in the world by far.
Victorian England was also powerful and simultaneously a shithole, go figure.
@@immanuelcunt7296none of what you said is "better." "Better" is just defined as whatever "patriots" declare it to be. Same case as "freedom."
@@asagoldsmith3328 Nope, being more capable to figbt is better than being less capable. Having a stronger economy is better than not having one. Having cultural exports that others are willing to pay for is better than not having it.
I can't be mad, I do love America, it's my home. It's not in a good condition. That's why I will fight to make the U.S a better place for the next generation. One man can never make the world a better place but passing down the passion to help our situation is truly what matters.
That's the real spirit of America!
I once said "America needs to catch up with the rest of the world, we can't keep claiming to be the best when other countries are treating their citizens better even if it's only in specific aspects." And it turned into me being told "just leave if you don't like it"
I WANT to like my country, but I don't, if I could change it for the better I would, but I can't. Why is it so horrible of me to want to make it better?
People in America act like it's so easy to just show up at another country and say "hey. So I didn't like the u.s.. I live here now." And then we have pathetically small quotas for legal immigration for those countries where people want to move to the U.S. and then regularly say stuff about how " oh yeah we want legal immigrants we just think you shouldn't only be here if you are an illegal immigrant."
It's as if they think America gets to strictly gatekeep who gets to be a legal resident but other countries with better quality of life should just accept all of the u.s. social and political dissidents.
I'm a patriot, and I'm a leftist. It's perfectly possible to be both. The difference between patriotism and nationalism is that patriotism is about pride in your culture, and nationalism is about putting your country before any other. It's unfortunate , though not surprising, that a lot of patriots are also nationalists.
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I think that's the the reason we leftists have to take the idea of patriotism from them and define it ourselves.
Patriotism is if you love your country because of the good things and wanna change it for the better. To fight against the destructive fascism or neo conservatism/liberalism and so on. Don't leave the uniting idea of patriotism to the right because you know that you live in a country where patriotism is brainwashed into the people from the early youth and use it to make things better. Try to get some of yours in to politics, army and other fields to shape those things for the better.
This is what fundamental Christians and Nationalists are doing. This are the positions of power. Don't leave them to them.
Genuine question, why do modern leftists hate nationalism so much? You do realize that basically all of the 20th century left wing leaders were nationalists, right? How do you expect to get anything done when you can't even put your own country first?
I find myself liking the citizens of foreign nations a lot more than their governments... I feel the same about my own country too (American here). People need to be less butthurt when the bullshit of their country gets called out.
@Kenji Azurai Good to read!
I'm sure most people interested in seeing the world and interacting with people outside of their comfort zone would make an effort to be so.
@Kenji Azurai Honestly I don't think there is a government on this planet people have good reason to have issues with, my own especially :D I think we can agree it's pretty bad to take it out on individuals from those countries though.
Anyway I hope all the tourists you meet personally show you kindness and respect. Have a great day!
We ousted Sadam because he shot baby bush's dad. He was just waiting for any excuse he could get away with.
Fantastic vid, Conor!!
Hi, Kavernacle!
Jordan Peterson is courting a lot of hardline Muslims, while Andrew Tate converted to Islam.
Maybe you might look into this issue?
I'm sorry what in the Sam I Am bs in this? Please tell me this is cap bro. Ong I need this to be capping.
Who the ef is Andrew Tate
Dude I saw that one of the most bizarre efforts I’ve ever seen him undertake. These brazen displays of condescension where he’ll videotape an “address to Muslim people”, thinking that he for some reason has the authority to straight up give them orders. Imagine if some Chinese guy filmed a tape where he was speaking in Chinese telling Americans what to do… the balls on this guy
They like Islam for their bigotry and mysoginy but shit on Islam when they talk to their right audience.
@@FrostRare :: It takes balls to think you know everything and can give unsolicited advice to everyone -- No Matter ! how many Centuries their Religion has lived before you !
I'm never surprised when I learn about some new horror my country perpetrated, whether against another country or its own citizens.
This looks like the comments to a video by the majority report!
As a an American, fully agree with these takes.
I would also like to say I live in New York and got a better education than most. We learned about slavery, the trail of tears and hiroshima and stuff, but still I feel like my highschool education was very white washed and made America look like we were ultimately the good guys. It wasn't until I went to college when I learned about the truly heinous actions the US had committed. I was fortunate to have an excellent history professor who I took for four semesters. One class I took with him focused heavily on the cold war and all the atrocities the US committed to suppress "communism" around the globe. Most of these people weren't even really communists, they just wanted to nationalize a natural resource, and the US backed genocidal fascist coups.
As someone in college to be a teacher in the U.S., something that bothers me is that each state dictates to you exactly what you teach. The whole CRT thing is backlash against those teachers who try to teach this country's history from a more accurate lens by including the experiences of those of non-European decent. Something that we were taught in our teaching methods courses was to create lessons to be inclusive of the cultural backgrounds of our students. As America's classrooms become less white this is going to become more of a problem for those right-wingers who value the myths they were taught in that America was always the good guy. I can say as a disabled (white) person from birth, we don't even teach that history accurately. It would be far more useful for the able-bodied to learn about how we were historically treated rather than the inspiration porn story of oh, look a deaf/blind person of privilege got to be educated! Isn't it wonderful!
I feel like I should add that one of the things that drew me to pursue a career in education in the first place was seeing how my peers with learning disabilities were treated in the mainstream classroom environment as a child. Knowing that we as disabled people were historically excluded from being educated, it has driven me to be a force for change as much as I can be at any rate. I'm realizing from the other side that the system itself is ableist and I may be hitting institutional brick walls more often than not.
As an American woman with a 13 y/o boy and 5 y/o girl, who turned 39 yesterday (10/27), born under Regan 👎, I was 18 when 9/11 happened. I never thought America was "right" for the things we had done in the past but over the last 20 years things have gotten so much worse. The quality of education in this country is appalling! As someone who lives in California, I'm glad I do, the things that they don't teach in "red" states is hurting them more than they know. But they just want right wing sheep who believe the propaganda that they shovel in their brains! They do not teach any kind of critical thinking skills in public schools anymore. My partner and I have to teach them how to think for themselves. I have too much else to say as the comment would be 3 pages long but just watch out for America in 30 years. Let's just say I'm scared to death!
Pretty much every US town has a decommissioned tank, helicopter, or similar military vehicle in it. It's so normal I feel like nobody thinks about it but they display them on the side of the road outside of veterans clubs like the VFW.
It takes a very special kind of American to look around and be like, "all of this is great".
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I am an American and I do appreciate certain aspects about my native country. However I don't share the all or nothing love for the United States that so many here have. They subscribe to the idea that you either love everything about this country or you're a traitor. It's ridiculous
I've taught a lot of Israeli students and the amount of cognitive dissonance they have just in order to blindly support neo conservatism is insane. Even the most liberal kid I taught 10 years ago, who would criticize the Israeli government and did talk about how he wanted Palestinian freedom, eventually joined the Israeli Air Force and is now such a right-wing "badass" he came back to the US to get married and then take her back there to indoctrinate his kids. I still like them but I lost a lot of respect for him
ugh these are such refreshing takes. it's nice to hear historians talk about this kind of stuff, because you refute their talking points so easily. it's a wonder what reading a variety of points of view will do lol.
also, if you're interested in engaging in some more decolonization, my history prof made a strong case against calling the US "America". because it's not the americas. the americas are diverse, and if you start thinking about how the US has treated Latin America, the implications of it become very colonial. not trying to tell you what you can and cant say, but I no longer refer to the US as America. love your stuff!
You don't make me mad. You make me think.
As an American leftist I despise nationalism with all my being. To me nationalism always leads to fascism. I refuse to say the Pledge of Allegiance or stand for the National Anthem. Why? Because I know that America is an imperialist power and has done so much bad shit in the world I can't even try to respect it. As MLK said, "The United States is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world" and he was totally right.
I grew up being brainwashed into the myth of American exceptionalism. But after reading a lot of left wing books I came to the conclusion that all my previous beliefs were untrue. I am now a much better person than I was.
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@@HistoricalFanatics yoooooooooooooooooooooo, whats crackin?
It was a bit of a throwaway line, but your comment on Vietnam having had more bombs dropped on them than all bombs dropped in WW2 is only partially right, it's in fact much worse than that. Most of those bombs were actually mines and cluster munitions, most of which never detonated. It effectively makes giant swathes of the country unlivable, basically forever. Unimaginable cruelty
Kav: The British colonized us
The Swedish, Danish, Norwegian, and Romans hiding: Shhhh, he hasn't seen us yet.
Rome never actually colonized Ireland. They led some punitive expeditions in support for client rulers, but never tried to control Irish territory.
@@Meirstein Oh, interesting. Thanks for the correction.
Another major problem with the second Iraq war was the justification for going to war was largely based on faulty intelligence like stockpiling weapons of mass destruction and uranium.
Exceptionalism is the pinnacle of narcissitc arogance.
"I'm a human, therefore, humanity is the greatest species"
"I live on Earth, therefore the entire universe exists because of Earth"
"I live in America, therefore America is the greatest nation on Earth"
"I'm "x" religion, therefore it's the only true religion"
I was a senior in high school when the Iraq war broke out. Our P.E. Classes started to have the U.S. army come in and have us to obstacle courses. I’d refuse to participate and was berated by my teacher and fellow students. Most my fellow students would go on to serve 😶
Kavernacle the flaw in your argument is that for most, liberal and conservative, Americans freedom is capitalism.
How? Is being in debt for the rest of your life for the “crime” of getting a high level education freedom? Is being doomed to work for low wages for the rest of life simply because you happened to be born into a lower class family freedom?
@@DavidSwe freedom meaning capitalism is fundamental belief in America similar to a Christian’s faith in christ. This faith is the core justification for many things such as the Cold War, systemic racism, and proof of American moral purity.
@@DavidSwe now to answer your question
First, American liberal: your criticism is totally valid but we shouldn’t rush things. Furthermore, we all know that Nancy Pelosi is doing her best. If only Democrats had 123 % control of the legislative branch then they would solve all the stupid shit your complaining about. And have you ever thought about voting harder? In addition, I have couple ngo flyers so you can donate to save people that really need charitable donations unlike you!
@@angelperez3750 what? I don’t even understand what your saying.
@@angelperez3750 are you saying that systemic r*cism and the Cold War are proof of American “moral purity”?
I think religion does a ton of damage, but one thing I'm grateful for one thing in my upbringing: growing up in a pacifist religious group that discouraged engaging in displays of nationalism. Made things awkward around 9/11, but it helped me keep perspective.
I think the biggest problem is the conflation of patriotism and nationalism as one and the same - it's even showing up in your own narrative, where you describe patriotism as people who think that America can never do any wrong. Something that's associated with that silly conflation is that people tend to believe that you can't be a critical patriot. People seem to think that either you're a blindly nationalist 'patriot' who believes your country does no wrong or you're not patriotic. I think that goes against the actual patriots like Chelsea Manning, people who care about their country but accept its flaws and actively work to resolve them.
I think the answer to the question of patriotism and the "Left" lies in how patriotism is defined. If we look at patriotism in the kindest light possible and define it as, essentially, trying one's best to uphold the ideals of one's country (in an educated way that actually demands that one have at least _read_ the Constitution, or whatever one's country's founding document(s) is/are) and doing what one can in service and to the benefit of the other people in one's country, then I think leftism and patriotism can go together.
If, however, we view patriotism in the worst light, and unfortunately the light that most often shines on it, and define it as, essentially, allegiance to the symbols of one's country while letting demagogues define and redefine, minute to minute sometimes, the meaning behind those symbols, as well as fostering an "us vs. them" mentality with regard to the rest of the world, then no, leftism and this superficial patriotism aren't anywhere near each other. That kind of symbol-over-substance ideology is inherently right wing, and leftists who embrace invariably become more right wing (or reveal themselves to be the right-wingers they already were).
Americans unironically saying they are not a democracy, but a republic.
It wasn’t just third world countries the U.S. has meddled in. They, along with Lizzie and (I recently found out) our new monarch, King Charles the Defender of Tampons, we’re intimately involved in the dismissal of the democratically elected Whitlam Labor Government in Australia in 1972.
Hence my personal ambivalence and at times revolution towards both powers.
I don't like patriotism at all and also how it is wielded, i am disgusted by the Americana governments actions, but like you mentioned there are some things about where you are from. I mostly distill that down to my family, the people i grew up with, just you know born here 35 years and I am very aware that the states shaped who I am very much, in a odd way the horribleness of it are responsible for the better traits of me. being exposed too the policies, the racism (I am from Arkansas which is quite southern) so even still I see a lot of racist stuff, not overtly honestly, it is hard to explain how some people down here really don't understand the way racism has been engrained into parts of the culture here and some people who aren't naturally intellectually curious, I don't want to say not smart because they might be smart, but they don't hear something and want to dive deeper naturally,, and that can be in regards to nearly everything. I probably would not be getting a MA in Human Rights Studies right now had I not been from america and specifically the south, but I am leaving once I finish this program as I am horribly concerned about political violence. I don't want to even call it polarization anymore because there is blood lust from the right and i mean a lot, way more than what we are used too and honestly I would be fine living in a high crime area (already do, top 10 per capita crimes in almost all categories sin my city), but I can't stand the fucking total separation from reality that so much of the country has and how it is inescapable from hearing and seeing every day. Like it is kind of horrifying having watched over 35 years, mostly starting in early high school with iraq war the drifting and total separation of realities and facts upon which are believed in the country, it is a very odd thing to happen, So very much dislike american patriotism but im happy the awfulness of it inspired me to do something positive with my life.
My disillusionment began in my early adulthood. I loved the USA, I was born here in California, I began to feel out of place in Southern California as Mexican woman after my safety net of my mother died, she was well off and we were upper middle class.
I was 18 and got pregnant by a ex bf. Thankfully I was in California, and got an abortion at no cost. I realized the world sucks for women, had I been in another state I wouldn’t have been so lucky. Being poor no one cares about you in the USA, and a minority who looks like a typical one, I could still be accused of being illegal. I’m even changing my last name to sound more white.
"I love nationalism and patriotism"-🤓