Still waiting for 2K to add them as a historic team.. and can we please have their player likeness on point like have them look the way they did during that specific time
Lol everyone saying his card shouldn’t be good like he’s a bum. His height and play style are very good for 2k though. They could’ve even made his defense better
Jameer Nelson's injury really hurt the Magic's chances in the Finals against the Lakers. I think he did come back for all or part of that series, but his game was rusty. He was having the best season of his career and the Magic were a well oiled machine prior to that injury.
And thus, the conspiracy of Jameer Nelson costed the 2009 title exist. But, you guys continue blaming on late kobe elbow Nelson in OT. But if it wasn't Howard missed freethrow and Van Gundy decisiob not to foul on Lakeds in less than 11 second. None of that would occurs, but what done is done, you can't turn it back.
@@mr.pointman1930 We should of stuck with Skip to my Lou as our PG starter for every game and bring Nelson off the bench. I think if that pass to Courtney Lee in the finals to win was a little more on target he would of finished it.
Pretty funny how Stan van Gundy played according to today's analytics back then, but before he got fired last year he was known for refusing to give in to analytics and sticking to "old school"
Jovan Belegisanin yeah but the firing was more so his horrific job as GM, he made a bunch of terrible mistakes including a lot of bad draft picks. If he never had the GM responsibilities in the first place, I bet he'd still be head coach for deteiot
@@personperson5041 Otis Smith was a horrible GM. Rashard Lewis’s contract wasn’t the greatest, but trading it for Arenas horrible contract signed after an injury, after the gun shit, was insane. Taking on that Arenas contact was one of the dumbest things I saw the Orlando Magic do, and they’ve done some stupid shit.
I think it goes to show how special Dwight Howard really was in his prime. SVG tried to replicate his “inside-out” blueprint in Detroit with Drummond; however, that clearly didn’t work out the way it did in Orlando.
I’m from Houston and this team really just recreated the 93-94 and 94-95 Rockets scenario where you surround a mvp caliber center with a bunch of lethal shooters and two way defenders and see where your chips fall I believe that’s why I loved this team so much i wish they would bring them back in 2k either the 09 or 11’ version cause as much as I loved the 6’ 10 and above front court that Gilbert Arenas and Jameer Nelson rotating at point guard cheese was unbelievable especially in the game back then not to mention J Rich was deadly driving or shooting and you still had a kind of prime Hedo man those were the days lol
The REAL reason the Magic made the Finals was Rafer Alston. When less effective Kyle Lowry prototype Jameer Nelson went down w/ an injury and missed almost all of that playoff run, it was Skip To My Lou who not only kept the team running, but made all of the aforementioned pieces BETTER with his court awareness and timely decision making. And, once the Finals stared and Nelson rushed back from injury, SVG benched Alston again and got fucking WASHED by Kobe for it. That series should have been competitive, and would have been if Alston had been allowed to continue his incredible post season as the PRIMARY PG. #And1
Van Gundy should never have brought Nelson back. Jameer Nelson was always a no talent ball hog. The one missing key with Howard's Magic team was a good point guard.
As a diehard Magic fan I must say you made a great video. That team was very good, and they should’ve kept their core intact after 09 Finals. Anyway that Dwight Stan interview was so horrible to watch though. Many people forget that this was the original team to jumpstart 3-point offense that we see expanded and developed today. Had they played with this team in the modern era of bball then who knows what would happen. Great video!
mostly by letting hedo go...alston was replaceable since nelson the all star came back healthy who missed the east playoffs and they got jason williams to be a backup...lee wasn't that crucial and the bass anderson barnes signings replaced lees loss but hedo was irreplaceable even with vince carter
This was my favorite team during these years and the reason they didn’t play better in that 09 finals is Jameer Nelson was injured the ENTIRE playoff run that year and then got thrown back in the starting line up game 1 of the Finals and was cold as ice. That also shot Rafer Alston (the previous starter at PG who lead them to the finals) confidence into the gutter which then lead to a weaker Magic team looking for their identity at a time they needed to be strong as ever to withstand Kobe Bryant with home court advantage picking you apart
This team was special. D12,lewis,turkoglu,alston,gortat,pietrus,reddick,courtney lee and van gundy. If jameer did not play in the finals, i think they could push lakers to 6-7 games.
Longtime Orlando fan and was living there during this run. Great job breaking it all down. Sucks that it all fell apart but man, that was a fun year or two.
I’m a Magic fan and when Courtney Lee missed that open layup to win game 2 was hard to take, we could’ve equalized the series at 1-1 but we fell to 2-0 in overtime
That 09 roster was incredibly underrated. Makes me sad just to watch this video. The Orlando Magic have a history of making really bad trades and letting good players walk. Hedo and Rashard were just as vital to that team as Howard was
The Warriors don't even shoot that many threes compared to some other teams. They have the best three point shooters but they don't shoot the most threes. They still shoot a ton of midranges and go to the rim. Then you have teams like the Rockets who only shoot threes or layups. Their style is so annoying. There is no nuance to their game.
@@alexandreschmitt7006 the Rockets had elite defense and playmaking as well. Let's not act like they didn't push the Warriors to game 7 and only lose by single digits when CP3 was out the last 2 games. CP3 and Harden are still great mid-range shooters as well.
Letting Hedo go and "replacing" him with Vince Carter wasn't a bad move, on paper. In fact, Hedo Turkoglu's game fell off a cliff after he was traded to Toronto. Pretty much all his stats were down compared to the previous season. By the time he returned to Orlando, a little over a season later, he was a shell of his former self. The problem with Vince Carter was A) This was a VC past his prime. B) It played into Howards' insecurities. Howard always wanted to be the go-to guy, but his offensive game was too limited. All in all, I believe that 2010 team was slightly better than the 2009 team that went to the finals. They breezed through the first two rounds of the playoffs, by a wide point differential. Vince Carter actually had a decent game 1 vs the Celtics, but after missing those free throws late in the 4th, he mentally checked himself out from the rest of the series. Those panic moves in December 2010... losing Gortat, Carter, Pietrus and Lewis for Hedo, Big Baby, J Rich and Arenas. It was obvious the roster got worse. That's what destroyed the team.
no mention of Courtney Lee?? or how well Rafer Alston kept the team running without Jameer in the playoffs? Lee was actually an amazing player for them in his rookie year. he played really impressive defense and made 3s and moved the ball as the starting SG. he could occasionally slash to the rim and had one of the best mid range jumpers if the need ever arised. Trading Turkoglu was really bad, he ran point forward for them a lot and was their 2nd best offensive player over Lewis and Nelson at times. if they could have traded for Ryan Anderson without losing Turkoglu i think they could have gone back to the finals
To that point in their careers their per game numbers (Vince and Kobe)were nearly identical. The difference is Vince took a lesser role behind Dwight, and his career never recovered from it. Spot up 3 is Vince's role now at 41, it shouldn't have been is role at 33, but Dwight wanted to be the focus of the offense and he clogged the driving lanes for his teammates.
@@dr.murder2690 Through 08-09, VC's career numbers were 23.5 ppg 5.5 rpg 4.3 assts pg 1.2 st, .8 blks 2.4 TO. Shot 45%fg 38% from 3. Kobe through that same year? 25.1 ppg 5.3 rpg 4.6apg 1.5stls .6 blks 2.9 TOs shooting 46% 34% from 3. Not insanity, facts. Kobe scored 1.5 more ppg had less than half an assit more per game but rebounded a little less, turned it over more, had less blocks, and shot considerably worse from 3. Their stats were essentially a wash.
@@mikesannitti6042 Why are you using career stats when kobes first 2 years were spent as a reserve and his last three were post achilies? How about this, from when they became full time starters to their last year as either a starter or star player. Carter from 98/99(35mpg)-08/09(36mpg) 23 ppg 4ass 5reb Bryant from 98/99(38mpg)-2012/2013(38mpg) 27ppg 5ass 5reb Career numbers are useless for some players, different circumstances...
@@jordancole5671 Read. It was both of their career numbers up to that point in time in 2009. No post achhilles Kobe was included. Sure, his early bench years were, but so were Vince's injury-ravaged 2 years with the Raptors. That feels pretty fair to me.
This is a very good topic. That Heat team were beaten by the Chicago Bulls led by Luol Deng, Kirk Heinrich and Ben Gordon. Kobe seen Luol Deng as a very reliable teammate back then that's why he wanted to be traded.
Suggestions Eric williams as a locker room leader for the celtics in the early 2000s and being the leader for a young lebron. The jail blazers. Chris webbers intentional food poisioning after eating at a restaurant in 2002 or 2003 in the playoff if i remember correctly. Multiple players haunted stay at an infamous oklahoma hotel. Jermaine oneal surviving a car crash. Old man dell curry(steph currys papa) still playing in the nba for the raptors and then the charlotte hornets. The first two years for the charlotte bobcats. Dorris burke try outs for usa basketball Brandon roy, greg oden promising futures Dujuan wagner career cut short due to health issues(see chria bosh) Jay williams bike crash. Ben gordons impact off the bench for the bulls before he went to the pistons. Peewee turns down nba becuase he made more money dealing drugs. Earl mandigult. Wes unseld mythical screens where comedy ensues when the defenders become newly born bamby losing their balence shortly after contact. World be free(see metta world peace) The aba. Mitch richmond in sacramento. Andre kyrolynko(ak47) in his prime. Mtvs rock and jock basketball games. The first celeb all star game. The first few years of the wnba. Reggie millers one and olny finals apperance(right? Hes only been there once?) Quincy douby hype before the nba draft. New york ncaa basketball scandal fixing games. Wilt chamberlin in the harlem globe trotters.
Man I loved that team. Also didn’t mention how crucial Jameer was to the team and how he was always a leader and pro after the team was broken up. Give my guy some shine! And I keep telling people those finals were a lot closer than how they are remembered. Glad you mentioned that
If they stuck together for one more season but added one more star shooter, such as McGrady staying. I think they might have won a ring. Dwight at Orlando was amazing.
Always felt bad for DH once he hurt his back it was game over.... remember what a monster LJ was than he hurt his back and grandmama was done....I loved his Knicks run.... hated to see him retire....... do a video on the 98-99 knicks
Im glad you mentioned KG. If not for KG's injury, theres no reason to speak of this team. Boston would have swept Orlando and then best LA again, in the finals.
The proof that Cleveland is cursed. Their best opportunity to make it to the Finals the first LeBron tenure. Then this team and Howard dominate the conference finals. Then this Magic team proceeds to do absolutely nothing after and all the players retire or become bums.
Cleveland was the favorite going into the series and had the best record in the league. They were elite but they faced the Magic who caused them the most matchup problems. It was literally the worst matchup possible for Cleveland. They were an elite defensive team but not a lot of teams shot threes back then and Cleveland couldn't guard the three point line. It caused matchup problems all over the floor for Cleveland bigs who weren't mobile and versatile enough.
Alexandre Schmitt We swept the first two series. We looked unstoppable until we got to the Magic. The shooting was great, but even worse you'd get Howard hitting post shots with Z or Varejao right in his face. This led to the signing of Shaq to defend Dwight the next season, and everything went to hell anyways.
Eduardo Quintero Well the main priority was him defending Dwight. But the problem was we saw the Celtics in the playoffs, not the Magic; and Shaq didn't have much left in the tank.
cavs made the 07 finals lol..also lewis won a ring and Dwight didnt do nothing...nelson too..both were all stars in 2010....jj and gortat became pretty useful starting playoff team players I would say
Joshua Ohale I'm a Cavs fan and was sad about the loss in game one of the Eastern Conference Finals. However, it would've been nice to see Orlando win the NBA Finals, too.
That Orlando team was tough, if thye kept them together they would have had a chance to get back to the finals in 2010, and with moves 2011 and 2012. Pietrus was a good defender, they had shooters everywhere.
If I have to speak of the Magic? Yes it worked for a couple of seasons but what really killed them was not adding a consistent player next to Howard. They could’ve traded a few of the role players to bring in a rookie or so to continue to built on what they had, but they stood 1 dimension and die out as the nba moved on from their style of play 🤷🏻♂️
If TMac would have stuck it out and stayed plus not had those injuries, that magic team would have won a championship, as Tracy would have matched if not surpassed Kobe offensively and defensively in that 2009 finals series.
Real Slim Bobby kg pierce and allen might have been a porblem but i def feel like t mac and dwight could beat them i dont think kg could handle dwight like that and i dont think anybody on the celtics could gaurd t mac but for the magic i feel like t mac could make it difficult for pierce and dwight would make it difficult for anybody even kg to score in the post bron bosh and wade would've been big problems too but idk if chris bosh could gaurd dwight he was really stronge and athletic bron and wade might've been able to stop t mac but you still got dwight down low and if t mac gets it going it wont be a pretty night and with bron and wade not shooting much it'd be tuff for them to score but since bosh is a shooter it would take dwight away from the paint and they might have a problem but i feel like t mac might be able to bother bron a bit he was a pretty good defender
they paid lewis like a superstar hedo was an all star caliber player in the 09 playoffs nelson was an all star they also got vince carter who was still pretty good so dont say that..they had stars just not enough talent
They were all on steroids and the league quietly shut that shit down. Hedo and Rashard actually got caught, Jameer’s name came up at a steriod clinic, and Dwight has never been the same. Simple tbh
Thumbnail should be jameer Dwight and rashard. Hedo was their for one year and JJ was off the bench. Those were our 3 guys that were consistent. Vince as well the 3rd year
Man, this Orlando team was a very well built team to complement Dwight's game and he looked dominant. If only he stayed with the Magic, might have had a better career than what happened when he left.
KG went from dpoy and probably best player on a stacked (but aging) Celtics squad to old big man who couldn't play the same game anymore because of his 09 injury. No doubt without it, Celts would have repeated against LA in 09, and possibly even threepeated in 10, but there are too many factors to be sure. Kobe might be known as 3rd/4th SGOAT behind DWade if that injury didn't happen. Maybe KG was just too old and played too much bball. Maybe it was gonna happen regardless. No doubt in my mind Celts would have taken at least 2/3 in 2008-2010 if not all 3.
they also fucked up when they had jameer nelson returning from a shoulder injury which he never full recovered from, to start over rafer alston aka "Skip to My Lou" who was balling at the time. smfh
Being honest too, this could’ve happen to shaq lol if he would’ve stayed in Orlando. Meaning having 1 player not adding much but just role players galore. Imagine after being eliminated by the lakers, instead of signing or w e they could’ve done better scouting on the draft? Make a full trade for draft picks to get another player next to Howard. Lock Howard up period and continue to build next to him
I actually liked this team Dwight was my guy. I was young and dumb I actually picked them to beat LA. It should've went to 6 games of Courtney Lee made tht layup smh.
If Hedo played the way he does in MyTeam the magic would’ve 3 peated
Brandon Wilkinson Turk was a beast bro him getting injured was a huge loss for them
Brandon Wilkinson Facts!
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Diamond reshard is a cheat code 2
Facts
Still waiting for 2K to add them as a historic team.. and can we please have their player likeness on point like have them look the way they did during that specific time
Yeah the likeness on the classic players is way off. 1999 Vince Carter be looking like he 40.
This team along with the 2009 & 2010 Lakers would be great.
2k should replace the All Time teams with new classic teams especially add Reggie Miller and Pacers and Charles Barkley and Suns
2k is so lazy with their historic teams
Hedo would be op
Rashard Lewis in his prime was very underrated.
Lewis got PAID a lot. The GMs thought pretty highly of him, but he didn't dunk hard enough to get on sports center highlights
Tyler Robinson by who. Everyone said he was good no one said he was great. He got his props.
Yea. Him & Hedo both had really good games in the Finals too..
Lol that contract wasn't underrated.
more like overrated
Hedo is so cheese in myteam lmao
cantmember and now he’s a dictators mouth piece
Lol everyone saying his card shouldn’t be good like he’s a bum. His height and play style are very good for 2k though. They could’ve even made his defense better
This makes me miss Rashard Lewis.... a guy nobody talks about.
Rashard Lewis the Big Cheese. Got a Chip in Miami. And is still Ballin' in the Big 3
I'm glad he got his ring in Miami
Such an underrated player. Hustle player and a 3 pt marksman
Cause he had inflated numbers on shitty teams. Real good versatile foward. Imagine him in todats nba.
Cody Smith I’ve always loved Rashard Lewis. He should be recognised more
Hedo Turkoglu is one of my all time fave players. That Magic team is one of my favorites
Same
He was one of the biggest reasons that team was so successful. Amazing passer and clutch shooter!
Jameer Nelson's injury really hurt the Magic's chances in the Finals against the Lakers. I think he did come back for all or part of that series, but his game was rusty. He was having the best season of his career and the Magic were a well oiled machine prior to that injury.
And thus, the conspiracy of Jameer Nelson costed the 2009 title exist. But, you guys continue blaming on late kobe elbow Nelson in OT. But if it wasn't Howard missed freethrow and Van Gundy decisiob not to foul on Lakeds in less than 11 second. None of that would occurs, but what done is done, you can't turn it back.
@@mr.pointman1930 We should of stuck with Skip to my Lou as our PG starter for every game and bring Nelson off the bench.
I think if that pass to Courtney Lee in the finals to win was a little more on target he would of finished it.
My god, I forgot how bad that Stan Van Gundy and Dwight Howard interview was
broooooo you telling me
This interview had me crying
Yeah, that moment was as awkward as they come.
That’s just a punk ass move in my opinion.
That Van Gundy trade interview is the most cringe thing ever
Pretty funny how Stan van Gundy played according to today's analytics back then, but before he got fired last year he was known for refusing to give in to analytics and sticking to "old school"
Jovan Belegisanin yeah but the firing was more so his horrific job as GM, he made a bunch of terrible mistakes including a lot of bad draft picks. If he never had the GM responsibilities in the first place, I bet he'd still be head coach for deteiot
@@personperson5041 Otis Smith was a horrible GM. Rashard Lewis’s contract wasn’t the greatest, but trading it for Arenas horrible contract signed after an injury, after the gun shit, was insane. Taking on that Arenas contact was one of the dumbest things I saw the Orlando Magic do, and they’ve done some stupid shit.
I think it goes to show how special Dwight Howard really was in his prime. SVG tried to replicate his “inside-out” blueprint in Detroit with Drummond; however, that clearly didn’t work out the way it did in Orlando.
He didn't have nearly enough shooters... It could have worked with Drummond but his personnel decisions were pretty bad
This is the team that made me fall in love with basketball. Dominant big man with three point shooters surrounding him.... what a time....
I’m from Houston and this team really just recreated the 93-94 and 94-95 Rockets scenario where you surround a mvp caliber center with a bunch of lethal shooters and two way defenders and see where your chips fall I believe that’s why I loved this team so much i wish they would bring them back in 2k either the 09 or 11’ version cause as much as I loved the 6’ 10 and above front court that Gilbert Arenas and Jameer Nelson rotating at point guard cheese was unbelievable especially in the game back then not to mention J Rich was deadly driving or shooting and you still had a kind of prime Hedo man those were the days lol
Lol Hedo wss op in 2k
The REAL reason the Magic made the Finals was Rafer Alston. When less effective Kyle Lowry prototype Jameer Nelson went down w/ an injury and missed almost all of that playoff run, it was Skip To My Lou who not only kept the team running, but made all of the aforementioned pieces BETTER with his court awareness and timely decision making. And, once the Finals stared and Nelson rushed back from injury, SVG benched Alston again and got fucking WASHED by Kobe for it. That series should have been competitive, and would have been if Alston had been allowed to continue his incredible post season as the PRIMARY PG. #And1
I totally agree. I said this at the time, Rafer should've started that whole finals series
Van Gundy should never have brought Nelson back. Jameer Nelson was always a no talent ball hog. The one missing key with Howard's Magic team was a good point guard.
When Turkoglu left in the offseason, he signed with Toronto, not Phoenix. Eventually he was traded to Phoenix
He stopped protecting his rim
Perverted fuckers
Lol I don't even know how to take that 😂
People forget how great Dwight was during this time in his career. The best center in the league at the time
Arguably best player
How many other Orlando magic fans crying with me 😭😭😭
Shaq, Dwight, Oladipo, Bamba next?
I feel bad your a magic fan
Definitely hurtful to watch :/
Im Magic fan since day one.
me
I loved how you thoroughly did your research with no bias
Dwight got his back broken by Magic Johnson’s son after he left Orlando and that’s why the Lakers sucked
Mr. Ulee That's why they call him Dwight because he likes the white/Dwight stuff that comes from penises.Just kidding. 😀
@@joshuasutton983 that was so wack lol
Colonel fuhrberger Atleast I tried.
@@joshuasutton983 it's ok
Ep Am Fr 😂😭😭
As a diehard Magic fan I must say you made a great video. That team was very good, and they should’ve kept their core intact after 09 Finals. Anyway that Dwight Stan interview was so horrible to watch though. Many people forget that this was the original team to jumpstart 3-point offense that we see expanded and developed today. Had they played with this team in the modern era of bball then who knows what would happen. Great video!
This is such an amazing series! The Macgic were my go to team in 2k11 my player (laughs), the memories.
Management destroyed this team in the summer of 2009 period.
mostly by letting hedo go...alston was replaceable since nelson the all star came back healthy who missed the east playoffs and they got jason williams to be a backup...lee wasn't that crucial and the bass anderson barnes signings replaced lees loss but hedo was irreplaceable even with vince carter
This was my favorite team during these years and the reason they didn’t play better in that 09 finals is Jameer Nelson was injured the ENTIRE playoff run that year and then got thrown back in the starting line up game 1 of the Finals and was cold as ice. That also shot Rafer Alston (the previous starter at PG who lead them to the finals) confidence into the gutter which then lead to a weaker Magic team looking for their identity at a time they needed to be strong as ever to withstand Kobe Bryant with home court advantage picking you apart
I just got an aneurysm from this comment
Back injuries. Back injuries never heal
Thats why I'm still a magic fan.
This team was special. D12,lewis,turkoglu,alston,gortat,pietrus,reddick,courtney lee and van gundy.
If jameer did not play in the finals, i think they could push lakers to 6-7 games.
I always get so uncomfortable watching that Dwight/Van Gundy interaction
Longtime Orlando fan and was living there during this run. Great job breaking it all down. Sucks that it all fell apart but man, that was a fun year or two.
Those Magic teams were fun to watch, glad LOW made this video. Hopefully they don't get completely forgotten in NBA history.
They've already been forgotten
I’m a Magic fan and when Courtney Lee missed that open layup to win game 2 was hard to take, we could’ve equalized the series at 1-1 but we fell to 2-0 in overtime
That 09 roster was incredibly underrated. Makes me sad just to watch this video. The Orlando Magic have a history of making really bad trades and letting good players walk. Hedo and Rashard were just as vital to that team as Howard was
the 2004 magic traded t mac gooden varejao giricek and mobley for nothing ….its amazing how much they gave away
@@razkable don't remind me... 😂
One of the funnest teams in the league to watch, young Dwight was a monster
Nowadays, only 3 point shooting teams win championships smh
In others words, just the Warriors
@@akeme25 yup
The Warriors don't even shoot that many threes compared to some other teams. They have the best three point shooters but they don't shoot the most threes. They still shoot a ton of midranges and go to the rim. Then you have teams like the Rockets who only shoot threes or layups. Their style is so annoying. There is no nuance to their game.
@@alexandreschmitt7006 thats y they wont win a ship
@@alexandreschmitt7006 the Rockets had elite defense and playmaking as well. Let's not act like they didn't push the Warriors to game 7 and only lose by single digits when CP3 was out the last 2 games. CP3 and Harden are still great mid-range shooters as well.
Letting Hedo go and "replacing" him with Vince Carter wasn't a bad move, on paper. In fact, Hedo Turkoglu's game fell off a cliff after he was traded to Toronto. Pretty much all his stats were down compared to the previous season. By the time he returned to Orlando, a little over a season later, he was a shell of his former self.
The problem with Vince Carter was A) This was a VC past his prime. B) It played into Howards' insecurities. Howard always wanted to be the go-to guy, but his offensive game was too limited. All in all, I believe that 2010 team was slightly better than the 2009 team that went to the finals. They breezed through the first two rounds of the playoffs, by a wide point differential. Vince Carter actually had a decent game 1 vs the Celtics, but after missing those free throws late in the 4th, he mentally checked himself out from the rest of the series.
Those panic moves in December 2010... losing Gortat, Carter, Pietrus and Lewis for Hedo, Big Baby, J Rich and Arenas. It was obvious the roster got worse. That's what destroyed the team.
Do one of the Pheonix suns, led by Nash, Amar'e, Marion, etc
no mention of Courtney Lee?? or how well Rafer Alston kept the team running without Jameer in the playoffs? Lee was actually an amazing player for them in his rookie year. he played really impressive defense and made 3s and moved the ball as the starting SG. he could occasionally slash to the rim and had one of the best mid range jumpers if the need ever arised.
Trading Turkoglu was really bad, he ran point forward for them a lot and was their 2nd best offensive player over Lewis and Nelson at times. if they could have traded for Ryan Anderson without losing Turkoglu i think they could have gone back to the finals
I remember they got Vince Carter because they wanted someone who could match up against Kobe lol
To that point in their careers their per game numbers (Vince and Kobe)were nearly identical. The difference is Vince took a lesser role behind Dwight, and his career never recovered from it. Spot up 3 is Vince's role now at 41, it shouldn't have been is role at 33, but Dwight wanted to be the focus of the offense and he clogged the driving lanes for his teammates.
@@mikesannitti6042 what identical??!! Are you outta your mind??!!
@@dr.murder2690 Through 08-09, VC's career numbers were 23.5 ppg 5.5 rpg 4.3 assts pg 1.2 st, .8 blks 2.4 TO. Shot 45%fg 38% from 3. Kobe through that same year? 25.1 ppg 5.3 rpg 4.6apg 1.5stls .6 blks 2.9 TOs shooting 46% 34% from 3. Not insanity, facts. Kobe scored 1.5 more ppg had less than half an assit more per game but rebounded a little less, turned it over more, had less blocks, and shot considerably worse from 3. Their stats were essentially a wash.
@@mikesannitti6042
Why are you using career stats when kobes first 2 years were spent as a reserve and his last three were post achilies?
How about this, from when they became full time starters to their last year as either a starter or star player.
Carter from 98/99(35mpg)-08/09(36mpg)
23 ppg 4ass 5reb
Bryant from 98/99(38mpg)-2012/2013(38mpg)
27ppg 5ass 5reb
Career numbers are useless for some players, different circumstances...
@@jordancole5671 Read. It was both of their career numbers up to that point in time in 2009. No post achhilles Kobe was included. Sure, his early bench years were, but so were Vince's injury-ravaged 2 years with the Raptors. That feels pretty fair to me.
This was by far my favorite team ever. Actually the reason i watched the NBA.
Treven Totten me too
You should talk about the 2006-07 Heat team failing to repeat as NBA champions.
Doknot1999 that’s easy, all the veterans on the team got older and Shaq and wade were injured throughout the season
Doknot1999 you don’t need a hyphen in repeat
This is a very good topic. That Heat team were beaten by the Chicago Bulls led by Luol Deng, Kirk Heinrich and Ben Gordon. Kobe seen Luol Deng as a very reliable teammate back then that's why he wanted to be traded.
@@maleeksambrano7302 Sorry, it was an accident, and it is what it is.
@@marvinprevalus6575 I know, I would just like to hear him talk about it for a video.
Suggestions
Eric williams as a locker room leader for the celtics in the early 2000s and being the leader for a young lebron.
The jail blazers.
Chris webbers intentional food poisioning after eating at a restaurant in 2002 or 2003 in the playoff if i remember correctly.
Multiple players haunted stay at an infamous oklahoma hotel.
Jermaine oneal surviving a car crash.
Old man dell curry(steph currys papa) still playing in the nba for the raptors and then the charlotte hornets.
The first two years for the charlotte bobcats.
Dorris burke try outs for usa basketball
Brandon roy, greg oden promising futures
Dujuan wagner career cut short due to health issues(see chria bosh)
Jay williams bike crash.
Ben gordons impact off the bench for the bulls before he went to the pistons.
Peewee turns down nba becuase he made more money dealing drugs.
Earl mandigult.
Wes unseld mythical screens where comedy ensues when the defenders become newly born bamby losing their balence shortly after contact.
World be free(see metta world peace)
The aba.
Mitch richmond in sacramento.
Andre kyrolynko(ak47) in his prime.
Mtvs rock and jock basketball games.
The first celeb all star game.
The first few years of the wnba.
Reggie millers one and olny finals apperance(right? Hes only been there once?)
Quincy douby hype before the nba draft.
New york ncaa basketball scandal fixing games.
Wilt chamberlin in the harlem globe trotters.
Marcus Sikvayugak that's a really interesting list
Most of these were already covered by other TH-camrs in depth. Imo the Doris one and some of the other ones would be good
The Portland Trailblazers with Andre Miller, Brandon Roy, LA, and Greg Oden would be a good one
It's almost like you just literally went through every single NBA TH-camr channel.....
I'm a Suns fan, and straight up forgot Vince Carter was a Sun
Man I loved that team. Also didn’t mention how crucial Jameer was to the team and how he was always a leader and pro after the team was broken up. Give my guy some shine!
And I keep telling people those finals were a lot closer than how they are remembered. Glad you mentioned that
nelson cost them the 2009 title...
Been here since 30k love your content
If they stuck together for one more season but added one more star shooter, such as McGrady staying. I think they might have won a ring. Dwight at Orlando was amazing.
09:30 Draymond played for the Magic... never knew that lol
Brandon Bass bro
Always felt bad for DH once he hurt his back it was game over.... remember what a monster LJ was than he hurt his back and grandmama was done....I loved his Knicks run.... hated to see him retire....... do a video on the 98-99 knicks
2:28 tye lue 😂😂
juwan howard reese gaines and ty lue were apart of that t mac trade for francis mobley and cato lol
It’s crazy how just 7 years ago drose dwade, lebron, Dwight, melon dirk, dwill all ran the league now they pretty much washed up
MJ Worry Lebron is the best player in the league rn, try again
Well he’s about to be. Let’s see how he plays once he comes back
Omar Rockstar no he not
In 3 years Zion will run this league
@@omaryussuf9363 yeah everyone except lebron congrats on ur comment
I always look forward to your videos bro. Easily my favorite youtuber
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Im glad you mentioned KG. If not for KG's injury, theres no reason to speak of this team. Boston would have swept Orlando and then best LA again, in the finals.
The proof that Cleveland is cursed. Their best opportunity to make it to the Finals the first LeBron tenure. Then this team and Howard dominate the conference finals. Then this Magic team proceeds to do absolutely nothing after and all the players retire or become bums.
Cleveland was the favorite going into the series and had the best record in the league. They were elite but they faced the Magic who caused them the most matchup problems. It was literally the worst matchup possible for Cleveland. They were an elite defensive team but not a lot of teams shot threes back then and Cleveland couldn't guard the three point line. It caused matchup problems all over the floor for Cleveland bigs who weren't mobile and versatile enough.
Alexandre Schmitt We swept the first two series. We looked unstoppable until we got to the Magic. The shooting was great, but even worse you'd get Howard hitting post shots with Z or Varejao right in his face. This led to the signing of Shaq to defend Dwight the next season, and everything went to hell anyways.
@@Bradland013 Exactly. Shaq coming to Cleveland did not have much of an impact.. I guess he didn't have much left...
Eduardo Quintero Well the main priority was him defending Dwight. But the problem was we saw the Celtics in the playoffs, not the Magic; and Shaq didn't have much left in the tank.
cavs made the 07 finals lol..also lewis won a ring and Dwight didnt do nothing...nelson too..both were all stars in 2010....jj and gortat became pretty useful starting playoff team players I would say
If Dwight didn’t get injured and a great post game, this man would of had a better legacy 💯💯
Dwight was sawft.
Dwight deserves a ring....still have my fingers crossed for him. 08/09 Magic fans where yall at???
I liked this team. I wish they won a championship.
Joshua Ohale I'm a Cavs fan and was sad about the loss in game one of the Eastern Conference Finals. However, it would've been nice to see Orlando win the NBA Finals, too.
Love these videos keep it up!
The 2009 Magic and 2009 or 2010 Lakers need to be in the classic teams for NBA 2k20 !
*"Hero" Turkoglu* left 🙄💔
12:35 they called that out of bounds, right?
No, they didn't.
Yall fools dont remember Rashard Lewis's contract
Hell yeah 120 million
@@brianturner496 He didn't even play the last three years or so and the contract was so back loaded, it was like a baseball contract.
he got paid got a ring in miami and retired ...hes pretty chill..no one else on that 2009 magic team besides ty lue won shit so...@@abidaljones8774
I remember that moment with SVG. ouch
That Orlando team was tough, if thye kept them together they would have had a chance to get back to the finals in 2010, and with moves 2011 and 2012. Pietrus was a good defender, they had shooters everywhere.
Ever since he got his back blown out he aint been playing the same
If I have to speak of the Magic? Yes it worked for a couple of seasons but what really killed them was not adding a consistent player next to Howard. They could’ve traded a few of the role players to bring in a rookie or so to continue to built on what they had, but they stood 1 dimension and die out as the nba moved on from their style of play 🤷🏻♂️
I hope they add this team in 2k.
Right
Lowkey what the Jazz did w/Stockton-Malone.
he got his cheeks spread
Man imagine this team with another superstar
If TMac would have stuck it out and stayed plus not had those injuries, that magic team would have won a championship, as Tracy would have matched if not surpassed Kobe offensively and defensively in that 2009 finals series.
Real Slim Bobby kg pierce and allen might have been a porblem but i def feel like t mac and dwight could beat them i dont think kg could handle dwight like that and i dont think anybody on the celtics could gaurd t mac but for the magic i feel like t mac could make it difficult for pierce and dwight would make it difficult for anybody even kg to score in the post bron bosh and wade would've been big problems too but idk if chris bosh could gaurd dwight he was really stronge and athletic bron and wade might've been able to stop t mac but you still got dwight down low and if t mac gets it going it wont be a pretty night and with bron and wade not shooting much it'd be tuff for them to score but since bosh is a shooter it would take dwight away from the paint and they might have a problem but i feel like t mac might be able to bother bron a bit he was a pretty good defender
they paid lewis like a superstar hedo was an all star caliber player in the 09 playoffs nelson was an all star they also got vince carter who was still pretty good so dont say that..they had stars just not enough talent
They were all on steroids and the league quietly shut that shit down. Hedo and Rashard actually got caught, Jameer’s name came up at a steriod clinic, and Dwight has never been the same. Simple tbh
What the name of the background music that’s stats at 2:08
I loved that team on 2k
2:00 right after the SeatGeek shout-out
Thumbnail should be jameer Dwight and rashard. Hedo was their for one year and JJ was off the bench. Those were our 3 guys that were consistent. Vince as well the 3rd year
9:35 i thought it was dray green
Finaly the olando magic look forward to watching this
You should do a video like this but about the early 2000’s Pacers with Jermaine O’Neal and Ron Artest
Kobe happened and shattered their confidence
Good vid LoW
He got hit from the back so hard his back got injured 😂🤷♂️
Hope that orlando magic can rebuild again..and win championship..
Imagine if McGrady stayed in Orlando and played with Howard in 2009. This teammcould have won a title
nah
Great vid
Man, this Orlando team was a very well built team to complement Dwight's game and he looked dominant. If only he stayed with the Magic, might have had a better career than what happened when he left.
Remember they didn't just trade Hedo, they also cut bait with Courtney Lee
What’s the song at 7:20?
KG went from dpoy and probably best player on a stacked (but aging) Celtics squad to old big man who couldn't play the same game anymore because of his 09 injury. No doubt without it, Celts would have repeated against LA in 09, and possibly even threepeated in 10, but there are too many factors to be sure. Kobe might be known as 3rd/4th SGOAT behind DWade if that injury didn't happen. Maybe KG was just too old and played too much bball. Maybe it was gonna happen regardless. No doubt in my mind Celts would have taken at least 2/3 in 2008-2010 if not all 3.
No mention of my guy jj Reddick?
Great video
Mcgrady lost an opportunity there.
GREAT VIDEO
Nice video!!! Who the hell is paying 200 hundred to see the Hawks and Wizards!?!? 😂😂😂
they also fucked up when they had jameer nelson returning from a shoulder injury which he never full recovered from, to start over rafer alston aka "Skip to My Lou" who was balling at the time. smfh
Please make a video on how Dr.J is underappreciated and should be in the top 10 all time
Being honest too, this could’ve happen to shaq lol if he would’ve stayed in Orlando. Meaning having 1 player not adding much but just role players galore. Imagine after being eliminated by the lakers, instead of signing or w e they could’ve done better scouting on the draft? Make a full trade for draft picks to get another player next to Howard. Lock Howard up period and continue to build next to him
Can you do a video on the Paul George Pacers
Used to be my favorite team and favorite player 😪
I actually liked this team Dwight was my guy. I was young and dumb I actually picked them to beat LA. It should've went to 6 games of Courtney Lee made tht layup smh.
7:07 YEAHHHHH AIGHT
Horford is a very underrated superstar
You should do an underrated Chris Webber video