@e92312I guess yeah, we’ll never know if it was a fetish thing but even if it was, goose wasn’t known for being unhinged, albeit her animations were sometimes which didn’t bother anyone, it’s like saying vivzi has a fetish for violence and drugs given she works on hazbin & hellava.
@@thememer3540 Ayy Lmao has a video explaining it. Long story short, someone got petty over a donation without a link and everything exploded. it was really, really stupid imo
@@lo177 it was the same person so.... instead of saying "there was also a person" say "that someone" bc it sounded like u were implying there were 2 bad peeps
"Can you not hate small projects? FOR FIVE MINUTES?!" Edit: When I mean small, I mean indie film projects. Yes, the team is no stranger to creating large productions, look at murder drones, but I mean something made on the internet. Something not made by some industry shills working for some big-name studio but something more down to earth and something made by people with passion. Something made with love that we enjoy being hated on for whatever people can find because they crave the fuel that validation in their echo chambers bring.
@@real_rutmendoxxing a person takes time though, and, living to make others lives worse online often correlates with acting that way in real life. Being a locust to the social scene happens in real life too, and it's a whole life style decision. And these people have quite hollow lives and poor conceptions of value, mainly doing what they do for a power high, either they spend their lives in a vague trance, or come to realise they only really ever lived to ruin whatever they and anyone else had. Tis an existance akin to rhe nature of living off borrowed money, and being in debt
It's honestly disgusting that people do this shit over a show. Edit: this is actually the most likes I've ever gotten on a comment and I feel like (most) people are still being respectful in the replies so thank you
@@commentspae either way the creator didn't do anything? It doesn't make much sense tbh. And just because someone happens to like a game doesn't make them stupid??
If I had a dollar everytime an artist tries to make their own project (pilot, webcomic, etc) or suddenly blows up in popularity the “hatedom” suddenly erupts overnight and go digging for /years/ old content of quite questionable content or make shit up I think I’ll be rich. Drilling “fetish” isn’t even that… bad? Like this is a massive NOTHING burger. If it was actual illegal content sure but drilling..? Some people need to go outside.
@@funnyvideoguy3216 And on their own account, which I chose to scour the depths of just to find the unconventional thing they are (allegedly) attracted to? Disgusting (just in case, this is a joke; I am terrified of hatedoms and do not want to be mistaken as one 🫠)
Literally, people get upset that adults do adult things, but they are the ones that go digging for it 😭 like do they not realise their existence is because of two adults doing adult things lmao, I get not wanting to expose minors to that stuff but Goose had no idea the show would become this popular and probably didn’t even think about it, especially coz none of the images shown as “proof” are even explicit 💀
@@bubblecalf and isn’t the show targeted for adults to begin with? It’s just ridiculous to expect a show creator to know their audience because their show became insanely popular out of nowhere
Don't let those kind of people control how you think, even though there will always be a bad group in a community or fanbase that doesn't mean you should stop making something great and wonderful that others might enjoy and be inspired by. I hope the show goes well if you continue to make it!
@@Rinnssilliestduck__OA100% agreed! You know what I'd do? Just don't even post anything on Twitter. Nor remotely engage with anyone bashing you for no reason. Whatever you create, just know that we'll be by your side! There will be an audience waiting to see what you create. NEVER let any of these trolls influence you or tell you what to think! All they crave is attention, don't give them any of it. Twitter's just become a breeding ground for hate. It's better to shun that site for more positive sites.
Don't let these folk ruin your creative fun: at the end of the day it's the creator's opinion of their creation that matters most. I'd love to see what you come up with one day!!!
@poweroffriendship2.0 View the haters as cancer. You can't reason with cancer. You can't argue with cancer. You can't wish cancer away. Cancer doesn't play by the rules.
But they already have wonderful shows such cheap and easy to make high quality shows as Rings of power 😂. Hate like this existed well before the Internet, just look at what they did to the reputation of Walt Disney, making him out to be a anti-Semitic Nazi, for standing against a Union that was demanding half of his employees paychecks in "membership fees" and back then Disney's company wasn't any bigger than Glitch or Roosterteeth at their height. It's not about the product, nor is it even about the people. It's about destroying everything until nothing but an echo chamber exists.
Great, now The Amazing Digital Circus is having drama just like with other Indie Shows. Also it's nice seeing Tracy Butler, Sr.Pelo, Vivziepop, Gooseworx, Liam Vickers, and Kevin Lerdwichagul all here together.😨🙂
@@wisconsinking323 One of the members of her studio tried to paint Vivziepop in a bad light because she forgot to add a link to the Lackadaisy kickstarter while she was promoting it on twitter, which lead to people exposing said member for liking transmisogynistic tweets (& it became it's own drama). Fans got angrier when they found out that the donation from SpindleHorse got rejected & suspected it was because of the silly drama between Viv & the member, looking back it's likely they didn't accept the donation because they were already getting enough support (I remember thinking when they reached their goal "that was fast"), but that's just what I think ATM plus Vivziepop was cool about it.
For some reason, usually haters do that to get around this, around "attention", they actually hate it, or they just troll. Basically, most haters hate the show but they kept saying hate things in comments like pile of shit.
I wish people thought like that. But nooooooooooooooooooo, I have to see arseholes bashing something they didn't like until Judgment Day and trumpets sound because I wanted to comment on a video that had bugger-all to do with _Velma_
If I have a nickel every time Twitter is clutching their pearls against indie animation creators over the smallest thing imaginable, then I'll get two nickels, which is strange that it's not enough, but it happened twice. Also, Liam Vickers, Vivziepop, Sr. Pelo, and Gooseworx sharing the same room with SMG4 is the most ambitious crossover event in history.
the weird puritanism of some chronically online people astounds me. people are trying to cancel this creator for... supposedly having an odd fetish? WHY WOULD YOU CARE???
It's absolutely disheartening to see a creative creator like Gooseworx to be doxxed all over a fetish, Goose is an adult and it doesn't matter if she likes adult content or not, that's Goose's business. Not the haters.
Not to mention other creators in the stream having to be dragged too, (Vivienne Medrano "Vivziepop"). Honestly hate and "controversy" is everywhere so these projects shouldn't have to be put on hold because of it.
@@coffee_2234 EXACTLY. there's literally nothing to cancel here, she's an adult with kinks. that's literally the most harmless thing to get mad about. unless she's actually going out and drilling people she literally did nothing wrong??
@@Rinnssilliestduck__OA if people get mad about one (1) weird fetish so much that they dox someone over it, they would implode if they went on fanfic sites
The recent twitter “drama”’s now a days is the equivalent of a full grown adult getting charged with petty theft over not retuning their kindergartener buddy’s pencil back 💀 It’s so stupid and pointless 🤦
@@burningfox4974yeah and that pencil was a special to children everywhere, so your a groomer for tainting it with you vile disgusting acts to something so wholesome
A random animator: *Exists* Twitter: N O But seriously, why is it that talented animators like Gooseworx get shitted on for no reason, we're really living in Hell.
It's because they're jealous they can't do it themselves, isn't it? Think about it, whenever someone with *actual genuine talent* gets popular, people IMMEDIATELY try to tear them down any way they can. It's fucking tall poppy syndrome all over again. I'm sick of it.
I'm almost surprised that someone didn't go after Vasquez for Invader Zim or Johnny the Homicidal Maniac because of the dark humor. If he could start out as an indie creator before Nickelodeon decided to have him make a cartoon, then why go after someone because they created content that suddenly seems questionable to only a tiny minority?
doxxing is so dangerous. all i can think of is gavin free and meg turney when an obsessed fan showed up to their house in the middle of the night with a gun, threatening to kill gavin because he is dating meg. doxxing needs to stop.
I have a feeling that The Amazing Digital Circus is going to to wonders for helping us end the Hatedom's shrinking influence once and for all, as Indie animation goes from big to BIGGER (because let's be honest this is now bigger than Hazbin EVER was on release) it might lead to the majority of the internet taking second looks at indie animation and seeing the medium for what it truly can be. The more mainstream indie animation gets the harder it will be for the Hate to shine through.
I wholeheartedly agree! This “hatedom” that has spawned is actually terrifying to me…and it’s one of the reasons why I may never post a video myself-EVER.
I find it very pathetic they would go to lengths to harm your friend and the creators just cause of the shows. Especially going as far to dox people and think it's fine when it's very illegal.
This is both so funny and so infuriating at the same time. Even if she does have an odd fetish, what's the problem? She's and adult and it's fiction, she isn't actually going out and drilling people's heads. This weird puritism happening online is so bizarre. These people would lose their minds if they saw the kind of nsfw things I draw of my own characters. I can't help but feel a lot of these people are minors, but that's just me hoping they grow out of it and realize that kinks aren't evil.
these are almost definitely mostly minors, if not all of them. I def acted like this at some point when I was a hormone-enraged, developing 11 year old on Twitter and unrestricted internet access. Thankfully I grew out of it and got off Twitter, and ofc I'm not saying every minor on the internet is this immature (i am still a minor so-), but man I can't help but wonder if these ppl were kids who never matured out of this phase,,,
Kinks are evil tho. Just because you want to think that drawing and jerking off on gore is normal, doesn't make it actually normal. Its disgusting. Sure, i dont agree with doxxing or hating stuff, but genuinely saying i understand why someone could start hating. Im saying that as a person with a really disgusting fetish myself.
@@real_rutmen heres the thing, a kink is just anything that "revs your engine" so to speak. Anything that puts you in the mood, for some its gore, for some its thighs, and some people just like glasses. They aint all evil, just not vanilla most of the time.
The unfortunate state of some indie animators: ⚠️Trade offer⚠️ We (fandom) receive: An extremely well made and carefully put together animation with good VAs and an intriguing storyline You receive: You address, phone number, chat logs, twitter details, private info leaked and a ton of controversy around a stupid event that happened ages ago. Deepest respect to goose and vivze 😔✊
I honestly feel like a lot of these figurative children wouldn't say or do these horrible things in front of someone's face in real life. It's as a certain wise man said: "Social media made y'all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it." Also, they can keep doxxing people, but when the cops arrive at their door, we'll see who's grinning from ear-to-ear.
@@Andyatl2002 Aye, children really shouldn't be on these websites. Parents expect the internet to raise their children for them, only for their kids to be preyed upon and/or end up being little shits.
Even if Gooseworx did have some weird thing for drills... who cares? It was one art piece from a while ago and there was no gore, implied lack of consent or underaged characters in the artwork. As someone who spent their formative years on DeviantArt I can tell you some vague allusion to a phallic object being placed near an ear is not on my tier list of "shit I never wanna see again as long as I live"
if i were you, i would have just left your comment at "even if gooseworx had a weird thing for drills, who cares?" the rest of your comment that i didn't put in quotes was unnecessary and goofy in my honest opinion.
@@IrisThatOneGothMf it gives context. Like yeah I COULD have ended it there but I'm explaining why there's nothing wrong with it. People always say "don't kinkshame" but if that kink involves children or a desire to cause real people harm? Yes the fuck I will.
I'm not a big fan of TADC, but I'm not gonna DOX people. Just because you hate something doesn't mean that it should be removed. Just because you hate something doesn't mean the creators deserve to be doxxed. If you hate something, then that's your problem. It seems like every fandom nowadays is receiving so much toxicity just for the creators sometimes doing nothing, you can like the art but not the artist. The internet needs to chill.
@@somethingjustarandomperson Yeah. All Gooseworx did is just making an NSFW account, which getting offended over inappropriate content is ridiculous, which is why it's called "not safe for work" for a reason. The hatedoms aren't really reliable than they made out to be. Yes, toxic fandoms are already a problem to every community for a long time, but the anti-fans aren't even helping either because they never even address nor resolve the problem, which taking advantage of the controversies bring a whole can of worms.
I think the reason why the hatedom is so hard on indie shows on the internet is because 1) you know the creator and can find everything about them online 2) there's no big compagnie name protecting the show 3) maybe there's some envy here for something popular 4) it's easier to hate something than just, build good critisism. I just hope with now glitch in the game and all those indie shows coming together, it will be a better protection agaisn't this hatedom or even lower it.
It worries me too since I’m beginning to create my own series with my own stories, especially when people bring up mistakes I did in the past so it’s why I don’t really like getting too much attention anymore
Yeah getting attention has become risky and that sucks ass. You want people to see your stuff because you want to show your passion but then that popularity attracts the bad apples who want to ruin you because they apparently they don’t want to contribute to society by not being chronically online
I remember an animation memer (who I also am kinda active in their server) who basically got into drama over something VERY personal that happened in their past that got overblown when it brought too much public attention. Actually, it's hard to find any animation memer that ISN'T dragged down by controversy (deserved or not)
@@fryingpamm6371The whole "popular = bad" mentality is still a thing, which is ironic given that this opinion is quite popular despite it being about how popularity is supposedly not good.
Like I said before, it’s events and doxxings like this that make it afraid of putting my own work and projects out there for people to see. It’s absolutely repulsive that people actually decide to doxx someone online for the tiniest things. I’ve been nearly doxxed before in the past, all over the fact that I didn’t want to be friends with another person anymore. I’m hoping that this situation gets resolved soon, but then again I’m not sure you could even resolve a doxxing situation
honestly, incidents like this discourage me from wanting to create anything to show the public eye of the internet. literally anything could be used as an excuse to harrass and doxx artists these days, even if it's at most just a bit weird and in reality just a neutral thing, like the apparent drill fetish
I have a couple of webcomics that I want to get back into making eventually, but I decided a long time ago that any new projects I start are going to be under a pseudonym with zero links to me or anything I've done before.
Even if this wasn't a joke, I don't understand why people would get so upset about an adult being into adult things? You'd think they found proof of Goose being a groomer or something, but no it's just some alleged drill fetish. What happened to make the internet so damn sensitive over the mildest reference to nsfw stuff? Maybe some of those people are minors, idk, but minors shouldn't even be on Twitter to begin with.
weird fetishes are adult stuff, most people have em. it literally stems from your upbringing in life. certain physiological experiences shape our views on sex and what we like. its not pedophilia and it aint hurting no one so just stfu@@real_rutmen
It's so pathetic and sad. The only reason why shows like this get so much hate is because they aren't just some big studio, they're created by a small studio with people who are quite active on social media and online so it's easier to attack them. It's sad because everyone these days think they're a critic but it's like not everything needs to be critiqued?
There should be some hotline to the police so people who send death threats and dox people can get a taste of how it feels to have someone unexpectedly show up at their house
Ill be honest, Digital Circus is NOT for me, Helluva/Hazbin is more my thang. But to see these Losers, no better word for them honestly, going out of their way to harm people, doxxing and harassing, to people who are just expressing their vision is so... disheartening honestly. Like Jesus Christ what is wrong with people.
Right. I like all three of these shows in question and yeah, some people don't and that's fine. Not everything is made to cater to every person's personal interests. Not liking something is OK and you don't have to try to destroy the things you don't like and threaten people's lives just because you don't like it and can't understand why other people do. You can tell these losers are the same kids who would throw a massive temper tantrum during other kids birthday parties and HAD to get their own gifts and cake with candles just to appease their spoiled little egos because their parents were too lazy or too cowardly to tell them no and explain the very simple concept that not everything is about them.
Honestly I'm thankful Digital Circus is amazing i would have watch just to support it and maybe got some stuff from the store but with it being good I can spiteful enjoy it as well as just normal enjoy it.
People should like what they like, but if the idiots who chose to target not only the creators but also voice actors for these works have nothing better than they should know what it feels like to be harassed. It's shameful that someone would try and hate on a well crafted animated show just because it's not something they like, but just because someone has an interest in something outside the norm (even just artwork) that doesn't necessarily mean they actively like or engage in the activity
I already mentioned this to another user, but never let the trolls win over something petty. All they crave is attention. They're nothing more than bullies who spew hate for no reason, just because they're insecure about themselves! Whatever you create, never let any of these haters get to you. Everyone has them. But there will be an audience waiting to see what you put out in the world. And thanks to what we're seeing so far, there's a lot of other artists who feel inspired to follow in their footsteps and try their hand at creating something great! If they were able to gain a great following, you can as well! The biggest risk to take is taking no risk at all!
@@shaneaycock9306 Thank you so much! I already have someone who is willing to help write for me, and all i need to do is start animating soon… and a lot of planning and writing…
I say you need a separate business accounts to post stuff related to your project and it only be related to your project, these people can’t chew on anything of your private life if you don’t have it out there
That’s heartbreaking. I watched the stream for a little bit before needing to do other thing. This will be the thing that ruins indie animation. Some people truly are cruel and should not have access to the internet.
Seriously, we shouldn't be harassing the creators or putting them against each other because you don't like any of them or their works. A little side note, I really enjoyed watching the GlitchX live stream, it was so refreshing & lovely to see all the creators get along and have a good time together talking about their shows & drawing each others characters depsite all the internet drama & fandom/hatedom toxicity.
Some people just decide to hate on whatever is currently popular and label it "cringe" when they're (referring to the haters) the ones being cringy. This is funny and sad at the same time tbh.
People doing things like this is horrible and is childish, people need to calm the hell down and chill out. Its really sad how these people are just be degraded over people that would not say these type of things if it was in their face, people think they can just hide behind screen but we even have a way of finding out who you are even without it. But again, very sad and horrible.
It’s genuinely alien to me how some people make it their entire identity to hate on what seem to be anything popular just for the sake thereof. Like “hey look this new animation became popular. I’m going to pour through literal years of Twitter history for every single voice actor and creator in the project to find even a single thing to create a controversy over.” Like just… bruh. Granted, there have been times these kind of people have uncovered serious things like actual pedo stuff, but almost always it’s them making a mountain out of molehills because they have a need for any arbitrary reason to be hostile. Like they go from finding a comic panel they did in 2021, accusing her of it being her fetish. She replies with a joke, which boils down to “I can neither confirm nor deny.” They then use that as proof that it’s their fetish. And THEN they go even further to accuse her of watching CP while watching her (alleged according to them) fetish. I mean holy mental gymnastics Batman. They need to make up a whole fictional scenario in their head to justify their actions.
This world is pretty messed up, it's true. But there's still good people with common sense like you and me. 💝☺ Also, I won't let the possibility of ridiculous harassment/hate stop me from achieving my art/writing dreams. Life's too short for that. 💎💅😎
@@mythicdw7826Amen! It's a sentiment I share as well. The world can be pretty cruel. But if you look past the negativity, there are those who are willing to support you. You're never alone in any of these battles. We've got your back!
Here's the biggest reason for why certain Indies have been getting hate: Helluva/hazbin: people hating vivziepop herself The amazing digital circus: it got popular way too fast Lackadaisy: zebird
agreed, honestly atleast gooseworx doesn't directly respond to drama feeding less and less attention towards it. I don't hate viv but whenever she talks or responds to drama it always backfires@@Jellymerit
Gonna be honest I think a lot of the haters are industry plants. It wouldnt surprise me if some of the bigger studios are intimidated by the indie scene, so they have their social media departments make fake accounts to stir up drama and dox indie creators. It is so downright suspicious to me that this drama is only spurring up around indie animation and not on Triple A mainstream productions.
i am very actively confused by gooseworx being in any sort of drama tbh, like she doesnt seem like the kind of person at ALL to get into that sort of stuff, she just makes silly little animations and music online :(
Gooseworx is a poor unfortunate creator who got doxed over a harmless joke, A-holes are mad at them because they think they have a "drill fetish". Gooseworx got dragged into drama that isn't drama, just an attack for the stupidest reason alive.
People just genuinely want a reason to hate the show and those who like it. Nobody giving constructive criticism does this shit and it feeds the loop of toxic fandom culture (which said people complain about)
I'm starting to feel like there needs to be some kind of system or site where all of this can be compiled and sent to local police departments. It probably wouldn't work and would be too Orwellian, but people shouldn't be allowed to threaten to kill people online and get away with zero repercussions. I'm far from a big fan of any of these creators involved (I don't know most of them), but I can't stand individuals being hate mobbed for literally no reason. There is something seriously wrong with people.
Honestly no people need to be arrested for doxxing especially because these people are probably repeat offenders. The only thing I worry is that these people would overrun the system
One thing i noticed is that from my knowledge helluva and tadc have confirmed queer characters (tadc - zooble is non binary, hb - basically everyone lol) and they both quickly started getting hate compared to other indie shows, it feels like theres a pattern
I watched TADC, and.. maybe I'm still too innocent in that way, but I can't really be bothered to see genders. I see a jester, a chess piece, a rabbit, talking teeth, a bubble, a ribbon, and so on. About the only one that has a "clear gender" to me is the Raggedy Anne doll, and as for the rest.. it just doesn't matter? I mean, this isn't 18+ stuff, so why should it?
@@calanon534I understand what you’re saying, but as a gay non-binary person it’s nice seeing other NB characters or lgbtq characters and not another straight male or straight female character. It’s good to see and recognize and accept different genders not just group everyone in a “I don’t see gender”
@@hotcoldfireice97 I get what YOU'RE saying and - no smoke - I get that. It depends on the medium for me, though. For fantastical fiction with absurdist characters, like Digital Circus.. I don't get why any of that should be a concern. The conflict surrounds the circumstance, the absurdity, and the existential body horror, and rather intentionally, the form of the characters has no real bearing on the outcome. On the OTHER hand.. say.. a sitcom? Drama, like _Law & Order?_ Or an animated feature or something of that nature focused on human or humanized animalistic characters, their feelings, and their struggles and situations? That.. that's when representation ought to be considered - when the conflict of the story has to do with the interpersonal relationships of the characters. One funny story about representation, though. As a kid, growing up, one of my favorite "adult" shows was The Cosby Show. I was also a huge fan of Martin, and Living Single, later. Let's just say, safely, I had zero representation on any of those shows. I still enjoyed them for what they were. So, it's not nearly as important to me - but, I'm not knocking you for finding it important to you for your entertainment considerations. Just a bit of insight into an old man's POV.
Twitter... do something about harassment? Why tell a joke in such a serious video? But seriously all of that was uncalled for, what is wrong with people?
Twitter is now run by someone who can’t really even keep the company from falling apart, best to not even have an account on there at all anymore. Most major businesses are pulling away and I don’t blame them.
People make it their sole mission to hate on indie shows and creators in general. They base thier sole identity on defamatory actions out of jealousy, or some other reason. Its honestly sad to see bc TADC has so much potenial to do great things.
I really don't get why. Even if it was a fetish, who actually cares? Let them be and if you don't enjoy the content they make then just don't watch it. Why is that so hard for these people to not threaten everything they don't like?
so THAT'S Why I got that comment bot I had to ban from my channel... They must've seen me post on a glitch community post and decided to try and tank my channel... Wonder if that's related to my videos getting lower than average views lately. Not like I was ever swinging for the fences, but I was down considerably from where I was expecting to be on a couple things
The thing i like about you and your channel is the mainly objective covering of news like these. I hate the people that cant even manage to have a life other than harassing people
Constant things that'll always happen when you do an indie animation : -Getting respect if you're not a terrible person -Getting criticism for you to make the show better if you want to -Getting your fans harassed by the so-called UTTP who's "declaring" a war against all communities for reasons *below* human comprehension.
This is kinda weird to think, but it’s actually stories like this that there’s probably not that many indie animations out there? Because I honestly want more independent animations out there! This is an art form! It’s a shame that a lot of people just discourage things. 😢
There are indie cartoons that are uploaded every single day. It's just that indie animation is consistent of a few big shows and everyone assumes that's indie animation. When in reality it's 1 guy making a cartoon cause he can. Indie animation has lost its way. I'm not a hater but I feel like it's become too industrelized with giant teams instead of you and a bud making a cartoon over the summer and posting it.
Having been Doxxed because of fallout from Story arc in my S.O's comic strip myself. I can deeply empathize with what these creators are going through as it can have dire consequences.
Seriously? Thats the best they got on Gooseworx? Not even any slightly racist jokes or questionable opinions, but just kink shaming? Twitter is the worst.
Remember, doxing is a crime! And will get you in trouble! If not with the law then with people who have as little patience as you. Youre not safe either, trolls, and haters.
Because in their eyes, it's the only thing they can personally do. They want to actually make an impact on the person. Keeping it to insults doesn't work since it gets drowned out by positive comments, and are easily ignored or blocked. They feel the need to be acknowledged, hence why they don't pull any stops.
Honestly, the amount of petty drama surrounding these indie shows at this point is why I've stopped watching them and associating qith fandoms. People are absolutely unhinged and need to touch grass and live in the real world for once.
People harass indie more than corporate due to corporations dont have a face tied to the direct involvment of certain things, or atleast not someone worthy of bullying. Its just some 50 year old guy who doesnt even use twitter most the time, but with indie you know the few select people have a big online presence and thats just juicy for these people to dig into.
The one biggest problem with humanity is that there are people who make it there purpose just to hate on another creaters but I know that fans of the digital circus will stick together as a community ❤❤🎉🎉
What I don't understand is why Twitter hasn't taken some of these things down. This makes me really worried for Gooseworx. Also, how did they get their addresses?
There are ways unfortunately. I've managed to dig up a lot of information on a couple of people myself without even having a real name publicly available. Not with the intent of releasing it of course. One was someone causing trouble for a website I helped with, because I wanted to know as much about who I was dealing with as possible. The other was a fellow forum user I was friendly with who was curious about how much if his personal information could be tracked down without him even using his real name online. Turns out it was all of it unfortunately.
I honestly think that doxxing someone for no reason makes you an attention seeker and it’s pathetic Edit:I mean,the internet is supposed to be a free space but now that this happens things are becoming not so free and it’s just sad
I made an Amazing Digital Circus Iceberg if you're interested: th-cam.com/video/iVWRuPIyAjk/w-d-xo.html
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I watched it!🤩
You know "shit hits the fan" when people get mad about a adult doing adult things 💀
Fr a grown person liking adult content is mind boggling
Shit shits the fan
W ESPECIALLY SINCE U HAVE ENA PFP
@e92312I guess yeah, we’ll never know if it was a fetish thing but even if it was, goose wasn’t known for being unhinged, albeit her animations were sometimes which didn’t bother anyone, it’s like saying vivzi has a fetish for violence and drugs given she works on hazbin & hellava.
@e92312 drilling in a sexual way is literally an unrealistic fantasy the kind of thing you write and draw but it is physically impossible to acomplish
A side note, it's nice to know the creators of Hazbin Hotel and Lackadaisy are on good terms, given the controversy between their teams
Same. I really enjoyed the live stream!
Care to explain the drama?
I think Ayy Lmao explained that
@@thememer3540 Ayy Lmao has a video explaining it. Long story short, someone got petty over a donation without a link and everything exploded. it was really, really stupid imo
@@lo177 it was the same person so.... instead of saying "there was also a person" say "that someone" bc it sounded like u were implying there were 2 bad peeps
"Can you not hate small projects? FOR FIVE MINUTES?!"
Edit: When I mean small, I mean indie film projects. Yes, the team is no stranger to creating large productions, look at murder drones, but I mean something made on the internet. Something not made by some industry shills working for some big-name studio but something more down to earth and something made by people with passion. Something made with love that we enjoy being hated on for whatever people can find because they crave the fuel that validation in their echo chambers bring.
Could you not bring up stupid controversy? FOR FIVE MINUTES?!
"Can you not dox people? FOR FIVE MINUTES"
@@DUCK-WITH-COFFEEagree
@@AngryBones-yup
@@DUCK-WITH-COFFEEYes, I agree!
These guys really have nothing better to do than to hate on indie shows?
Ikr. They are so annoying and childish
No… no they don’t. Clearly. Sadly.
If they did, they wouldn't be hating would they?
there is literally an entire group of people dedicated to hating on indie shows and stuff. talk about fatherless.
They’re Twitter users, what did you expect out of them? To be actually mature? Never in a hundred years my friend.
I can't imagine how people have so little of a life that they've made their entire personality to hate an animation on the internet
Largest waste of life...
Life is a thing you have only once and you have to atleast spend it well and funny....
@@RecvoeryEmaikspending hours online just to post hate towards someone and doxing them is typical no lifer behavior
@gneu1527 but they have fun doing this lol.
Just because its bad for you, doesnt mean those people arent enjoying life
@@real_rutmenEnjoying life in a shit way.
@@real_rutmendoxxing a person takes time though, and, living to make others lives worse online often correlates with acting that way in real life. Being a locust to the social scene happens in real life too, and it's a whole life style decision. And these people have quite hollow lives and poor conceptions of value, mainly doing what they do for a power high, either they spend their lives in a vague trance, or come to realise they only really ever lived to ruin whatever they and anyone else had. Tis an existance akin to rhe nature of living off borrowed money, and being in debt
It really sucks that there’s really not much you can do against these people, since there will always be another to take there place.🐱
i'm sorry, but *their
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@@anomalousanimatesactually your wrong LOL
look at the last there@@starsiesart
@@starsiesartno they're not lol
It's honestly disgusting that people do this shit over a show.
Edit: this is actually the most likes I've ever gotten on a comment and I feel like (most) people are still being respectful in the replies so thank you
Yeah haters sure like to make up shit
it's over the *creator too* you fool otherwise there's nothing for the drama to develop from
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gacha life animator
explains the stupidity i guess
@@commentspae either way the creator didn't do anything? It doesn't make much sense tbh. And just because someone happens to like a game doesn't make them stupid??
@@commentspae
You make your entire channel around a fictional character..
If I had a dollar everytime an artist tries to make their own project (pilot, webcomic, etc) or suddenly blows up in popularity the “hatedom” suddenly erupts overnight and go digging for /years/ old content of quite questionable content or make shit up I think I’ll be rich.
Drilling “fetish” isn’t even that… bad? Like this is a massive NOTHING burger. If it was actual illegal content sure but drilling..? Some people need to go outside.
Seriously- like- it doesn’t matter????
Imagine getting mad at a grow ass person for liking adult content is mind boggling
How dare a person be attracted to something that isn’t conventional
@@funnyvideoguy3216 And on their own account, which I chose to scour the depths of just to find the unconventional thing they are (allegedly) attracted to? Disgusting
(just in case, this is a joke; I am terrified of hatedoms and do not want to be mistaken as one 🫠)
seriously "how dare someone have an unrealistic fantasy that they could never even try to do irl"
An adult having adult interests and desires while also being the creator to an adult oriented show?? The horror!!!! I’m quaking in my boots!!
Literally, people get upset that adults do adult things, but they are the ones that go digging for it 😭 like do they not realise their existence is because of two adults doing adult things lmao, I get not wanting to expose minors to that stuff but Goose had no idea the show would become this popular and probably didn’t even think about it, especially coz none of the images shown as “proof” are even explicit 💀
@@bubblecalfthat and the show itself has nothing of the sort in it
@@bubblecalf and isn’t the show targeted for adults to begin with? It’s just ridiculous to expect a show creator to know their audience because their show became insanely popular out of nowhere
Literally shivering my timbers rn !!!
My timbers have been shivered!
As someone working on an indie animation show (which is a horror comedy), i don't really feel safe anymore
Don't let those kind of people control how you think, even though there will always be a bad group in a community or fanbase that doesn't mean you should stop making something great and wonderful that others might enjoy and be inspired by. I hope the show goes well if you continue to make it!
@@Rinnssilliestduck__OA thanks! I'm always happy to talk about it
@@TheActualMadDemon I'm glad you're passionate about your project :)
@@Rinnssilliestduck__OA100% agreed! You know what I'd do? Just don't even post anything on Twitter. Nor remotely engage with anyone bashing you for no reason.
Whatever you create, just know that we'll be by your side! There will be an audience waiting to see what you create. NEVER let any of these trolls influence you or tell you what to think! All they crave is attention, don't give them any of it.
Twitter's just become a breeding ground for hate. It's better to shun that site for more positive sites.
Don't let these folk ruin your creative fun: at the end of the day it's the creator's opinion of their creation that matters most.
I'd love to see what you come up with one day!!!
To all the haters out there- I wanna see any of you try to make such wonderful content as these indie animators do.
That’s not possible. They don’t care about the show or the people who make it. They just want to watch the world burn.
What do I expect from the haters? These folks cared less about the show just as long as they are looking for a reason to complain about.
@poweroffriendship2.0 View the haters as cancer. You can't reason with cancer. You can't argue with cancer. You can't wish cancer away. Cancer doesn't play by the rules.
But they already have wonderful shows such cheap and easy to make high quality shows as Rings of power 😂.
Hate like this existed well before the Internet, just look at what they did to the reputation of Walt Disney, making him out to be a anti-Semitic Nazi, for standing against a Union that was demanding half of his employees paychecks in "membership fees" and back then Disney's company wasn't any bigger than Glitch or Roosterteeth at their height.
It's not about the product, nor is it even about the people. It's about destroying everything until nothing but an echo chamber exists.
@@MBThomas Some, though, are likely extremely envious and angry at the indie animators over their success.
Great, now The Amazing Digital Circus is having drama just like with other Indie Shows. Also it's nice seeing Tracy Butler, Sr.Pelo, Vivziepop, Gooseworx, Liam Vickers, and Kevin Lerdwichagul all here together.😨🙂
especially tracy and viv, considering the drama that happened a while back
@@42seven I know. I feel so bad for them, they just want to continue doing things they love: Making their Indie Shows.
@@42sevenWhat happened with Tracy?
@@wisconsinking323 One of the members of her studio tried to paint Vivziepop in a bad light because she forgot to add a link to the Lackadaisy kickstarter while she was promoting it on twitter, which lead to people exposing said member for liking transmisogynistic tweets (& it became it's own drama). Fans got angrier when they found out that the donation from SpindleHorse got rejected & suspected it was because of the silly drama between Viv & the member, looking back it's likely they didn't accept the donation because they were already getting enough support (I remember thinking when they reached their goal "that was fast"), but that's just what I think ATM plus Vivziepop was cool about it.
No, there is no drama. It's just a bunch of people trying to garner attention. If you don't give it to them then there is no problem.
Fun fact: if you don’t want to see a certain thing than stop hate watching, it’s that simple
Yep, real simple. 👌
For some reason, usually haters do that to get around this, around "attention", they actually hate it, or they just troll. Basically, most haters hate the show but they kept saying hate things in comments like pile of shit.
I wish people thought like that. But nooooooooooooooooooo, I have to see arseholes bashing something they didn't like until Judgment Day and trumpets sound because I wanted to comment on a video that had bugger-all to do with _Velma_
@@Justme-dq9vm so basically “WHAAA WHAAA GIVE ME ATTENTION WHAAAA”
@@teemingwindow2171 ye, mostly like that
If I have a nickel every time Twitter is clutching their pearls against indie animation creators over the smallest thing imaginable, then I'll get two nickels, which is strange that it's not enough, but it happened twice.
Also, Liam Vickers, Vivziepop, Sr. Pelo, and Gooseworx sharing the same room with SMG4 is the most ambitious crossover event in history.
Lol this isn't a small thing that's some freaky Jeffrey Dahmer bullshit i don't feel comfortable watching this person's content
You're getting scammed big time if that's your count, I think you're up to at least $5
@@happy-go-luckyworld Can't tell if you're baiting or just an idiot.
@@happy-go-luckyworlddid gooseworx actually draw the drill stuff?
I get this reference
the weird puritanism of some chronically online people astounds me. people are trying to cancel this creator for... supposedly having an odd fetish? WHY WOULD YOU CARE???
Let not forget that gooseworx in almost in her early 30 a grown ass adult liking adult content this is just ridiculous sitaution ngl
It's absolutely disheartening to see a creative creator like Gooseworx to be doxxed all over a fetish, Goose is an adult and it doesn't matter if she likes adult content or not, that's Goose's business. Not the haters.
Not to mention other creators in the stream having to be dragged too, (Vivienne Medrano "Vivziepop"). Honestly hate and "controversy" is everywhere so these projects shouldn't have to be put on hold because of it.
@@coffee_2234 EXACTLY. there's literally nothing to cancel here, she's an adult with kinks. that's literally the most harmless thing to get mad about. unless she's actually going out and drilling people she literally did nothing wrong??
@@Rinnssilliestduck__OA if people get mad about one (1) weird fetish so much that they dox someone over it, they would implode if they went on fanfic sites
The recent twitter “drama”’s now a days is the equivalent of a full grown adult getting charged with petty theft over not retuning their kindergartener buddy’s pencil back 💀
It’s so stupid and pointless 🤦
But it wasn’t any old pencil. It was a Dora the explorer scented pencil!
@@burningfox4974 how do they know what dora smells like
@@burningfox4974yeah and that pencil was a special to children everywhere, so your a groomer for tainting it with you vile disgusting acts to something so wholesome
A random animator: *Exists*
Twitter: N O
But seriously, why is it that talented animators like Gooseworx get shitted on for no reason, we're really living in Hell.
It's because they're jealous they can't do it themselves, isn't it?
Think about it, whenever someone with *actual genuine talent* gets popular, people IMMEDIATELY try to tear them down any way they can. It's fucking tall poppy syndrome all over again. I'm sick of it.
I'm almost surprised that someone didn't go after Vasquez for Invader Zim or Johnny the Homicidal Maniac because of the dark humor. If he could start out as an indie creator before Nickelodeon decided to have him make a cartoon, then why go after someone because they created content that suddenly seems questionable to only a tiny minority?
doxxing is so dangerous. all i can think of is gavin free and meg turney when an obsessed fan showed up to their house in the middle of the night with a gun, threatening to kill gavin because he is dating meg. doxxing needs to stop.
I have a feeling that The Amazing Digital Circus is going to to wonders for helping us end the Hatedom's shrinking influence once and for all, as Indie animation goes from big to BIGGER (because let's be honest this is now bigger than Hazbin EVER was on release) it might lead to the majority of the internet taking second looks at indie animation and seeing the medium for what it truly can be. The more mainstream indie animation gets the harder it will be for the Hate to shine through.
I wholeheartedly agree! This “hatedom” that has spawned is actually terrifying to me…and it’s one of the reasons why I may never post a video myself-EVER.
Yea agreed
The day the world realises that hating popular things isn't a personality trait is the day that the internet becomes slightly more bearable
I find it very pathetic they would go to lengths to harm your friend and the creators just cause of the shows. Especially going as far to dox people and think it's fine when it's very illegal.
This is both so funny and so infuriating at the same time. Even if she does have an odd fetish, what's the problem? She's and adult and it's fiction, she isn't actually going out and drilling people's heads. This weird puritism happening online is so bizarre. These people would lose their minds if they saw the kind of nsfw things I draw of my own characters. I can't help but feel a lot of these people are minors, but that's just me hoping they grow out of it and realize that kinks aren't evil.
Man if they're minors they need to get off a nsfw blog
The puritism is hypocrisy. Obviously they are insecure and want to profit off of others to feel better about themselves.
these are almost definitely mostly minors, if not all of them. I def acted like this at some point when I was a hormone-enraged, developing 11 year old on Twitter and unrestricted internet access. Thankfully I grew out of it and got off Twitter, and ofc I'm not saying every minor on the internet is this immature (i am still a minor so-), but man I can't help but wonder if these ppl were kids who never matured out of this phase,,,
Kinks are evil tho. Just because you want to think that drawing and jerking off on gore is normal, doesn't make it actually normal. Its disgusting.
Sure, i dont agree with doxxing or hating stuff, but genuinely saying i understand why someone could start hating.
Im saying that as a person with a really disgusting fetish myself.
@@real_rutmen heres the thing, a kink is just anything that "revs your engine" so to speak. Anything that puts you in the mood, for some its gore, for some its thighs, and some people just like glasses. They aint all evil, just not vanilla most of the time.
The unfortunate state of some indie animators:
⚠️Trade offer⚠️
We (fandom) receive:
An extremely well made and carefully put together animation with good VAs and an intriguing storyline
You receive:
You address, phone number, chat logs, twitter details, private info leaked and a ton of controversy around a stupid event that happened ages ago.
Deepest respect to goose and vivze
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I honestly feel like a lot of these figurative children wouldn't say or do these horrible things in front of someone's face in real life. It's as a certain wise man said: "Social media made y'all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it."
Also, they can keep doxxing people, but when the cops arrive at their door, we'll see who's grinning from ear-to-ear.
^ THIS
Or they are children but they shouldn’t even be on these websites to begin with because the Internet shouldn’t be a sanitized place
@@Andyatl2002 Aye, children really shouldn't be on these websites. Parents expect the internet to raise their children for them, only for their kids to be preyed upon and/or end up being little shits.
These people really have nothing better to do, I’m glad Gooseworx isn’t engaging in this nonsense tho
Even if Gooseworx did have some weird thing for drills... who cares? It was one art piece from a while ago and there was no gore, implied lack of consent or underaged characters in the artwork. As someone who spent their formative years on DeviantArt I can tell you some vague allusion to a phallic object being placed near an ear is not on my tier list of "shit I never wanna see again as long as I live"
Yea those drawings that were shown were still kinda normal. Especially compared to what the fandom did
if i were you, i would have just left your comment at "even if gooseworx had a weird thing for drills, who cares?" the rest of your comment that i didn't put in quotes was unnecessary and goofy in my honest opinion.
@@IrisThatOneGothMf it gives context. Like yeah I COULD have ended it there but I'm explaining why there's nothing wrong with it. People always say "don't kinkshame" but if that kink involves children or a desire to cause real people harm? Yes the fuck I will.
@@entr3_nou5 you got 69 likes heres a cookie 🍪
Legally can’t like your comment lest I ruin the number so have a cucumber instead 🥒
I'm not a big fan of TADC, but I'm not gonna DOX people. Just because you hate something doesn't mean that it should be removed. Just because you hate something doesn't mean the creators deserve to be doxxed. If you hate something, then that's your problem. It seems like every fandom nowadays is receiving so much toxicity just for the creators sometimes doing nothing, you can like the art but not the artist. The internet needs to chill.
Why is there drama every 2 seconds
Twitter
People are awful and expect you to not be a person and social media attracts the worst crowd known to man
Bruh the show just came out and there's already drama😑
Fax
Yeah
@@somethingjustarandompersonyup the hatedom to be exact
@@somethingjustarandomperson Yeah. All Gooseworx did is just making an NSFW account, which getting offended over inappropriate content is ridiculous, which is why it's called "not safe for work" for a reason.
The hatedoms aren't really reliable than they made out to be. Yes, toxic fandoms are already a problem to every community for a long time, but the anti-fans aren't even helping either because they never even address nor resolve the problem, which taking advantage of the controversies bring a whole can of worms.
The show hasn't even really started yet, usually pilots aren't even the show quite yet just the idea of the show they're gonna be making.
I think the reason why the hatedom is so hard on indie shows on the internet is because
1) you know the creator and can find everything about them online
2) there's no big compagnie name protecting the show
3) maybe there's some envy here for something popular
4) it's easier to hate something than just, build good critisism.
I just hope with now glitch in the game and all those indie shows coming together, it will be a better protection agaisn't this hatedom or even lower it.
It worries me too since I’m beginning to create my own series with my own stories, especially when people bring up mistakes I did in the past so it’s why I don’t really like getting too much attention anymore
Yeah getting attention has become risky and that sucks ass. You want people to see your stuff because you want to show your passion but then that popularity attracts the bad apples who want to ruin you because they apparently they don’t want to contribute to society by not being chronically online
I remember an animation memer (who I also am kinda active in their server) who basically got into drama over something VERY personal that happened in their past that got overblown when it brought too much public attention.
Actually, it's hard to find any animation memer that ISN'T dragged down by controversy (deserved or not)
@@fryingpamm6371The whole "popular = bad" mentality is still a thing, which is ironic given that this opinion is quite popular despite it being about how popularity is supposedly not good.
Like I said before, it’s events and doxxings like this that make it afraid of putting my own work and projects out there for people to see. It’s absolutely repulsive that people actually decide to doxx someone online for the tiniest things. I’ve been nearly doxxed before in the past, all over the fact that I didn’t want to be friends with another person anymore. I’m hoping that this situation gets resolved soon, but then again I’m not sure you could even resolve a doxxing situation
I really recommend having a entirely separate business account not even remotely connected to your real account and something that keeps your ip safe
People when adults do adults things: 🤬
honestly these haters are hilarious if they think gooseworx care about nonsense like this she just fine that crap hilarious
The whole thing with the supposed drilling fetish carries about as much weight as an M&M
Oh no an adult is attracted to an unconventional thing? Oh the humanity
Wait that's all i've seen worse . . . . So much worse (shudders)
If that’s the case then the m&m’s are now flying
honestly, incidents like this discourage me from wanting to create anything to show the public eye of the internet. literally anything could be used as an excuse to harrass and doxx artists these days, even if it's at most just a bit weird and in reality just a neutral thing, like the apparent drill fetish
I have a couple of webcomics that I want to get back into making eventually, but I decided a long time ago that any new projects I start are going to be under a pseudonym with zero links to me or anything I've done before.
In reality it would be horrifying
“Stay hidden, stay secret, stay safe.”
oh nooooo!!!! how dare adults do adult things!!!!!!
Internet users try not to slander indie creators challenge (IMPOSSIBLE!)
Even if this wasn't a joke, I don't understand why people would get so upset about an adult being into adult things? You'd think they found proof of Goose being a groomer or something, but no it's just some alleged drill fetish. What happened to make the internet so damn sensitive over the mildest reference to nsfw stuff? Maybe some of those people are minors, idk, but minors shouldn't even be on Twitter to begin with.
I dont think anyone would've been upset if it was actual adult stuff, and not some weird fetish
weird fetishes are adult stuff, most people have em. it literally stems from your upbringing in life. certain physiological experiences shape our views on sex and what we like. its not pedophilia and it aint hurting no one so just stfu@@real_rutmen
It's so pathetic and sad. The only reason why shows like this get so much hate is because they aren't just some big studio, they're created by a small studio with people who are quite active on social media and online so it's easier to attack them. It's sad because everyone these days think they're a critic but it's like not everything needs to be critiqued?
Can these hateful trolls just unplug from social media and live life for once? Honestly i'm getting sick of hatedoms in shows that i like
They probably have never gone outside in their pathetic, miserable lives. If they ever did, they'd probably turn to dust like a vampire
There should be some hotline to the police so people who send death threats and dox people can get a taste of how it feels to have someone unexpectedly show up at their house
Honestly when Farfetched is out Ash will go through the same thing. I have forseen this.
master oogway? is that you?
@@dm7206 no?
I'm only predicting the future man. I'm not where near as wise as his level.
And ramshackle or whatever it was called. Idk the thing that had an animated short.
"I hope Twitter does something about this"
Well Twitter probably would've, but X is (somehow) a bit different
Ill be honest, Digital Circus is NOT for me, Helluva/Hazbin is more my thang. But to see these Losers, no better word for them honestly, going out of their way to harm people, doxxing and harassing, to people who are just expressing their vision is so... disheartening honestly. Like Jesus Christ what is wrong with people.
Right. I like all three of these shows in question and yeah, some people don't and that's fine. Not everything is made to cater to every person's personal interests. Not liking something is OK and you don't have to try to destroy the things you don't like and threaten people's lives just because you don't like it and can't understand why other people do. You can tell these losers are the same kids who would throw a massive temper tantrum during other kids birthday parties and HAD to get their own gifts and cake with candles just to appease their spoiled little egos because their parents were too lazy or too cowardly to tell them no and explain the very simple concept that not everything is about them.
a better word for them are fatherless
Let’s see where it goes first...
Honestly I'm thankful Digital Circus is amazing i would have watch just to support it and maybe got some stuff from the store but with it being good I can spiteful enjoy it as well as just normal enjoy it.
People should like what they like, but if the idiots who chose to target not only the creators but also voice actors for these works have nothing better than they should know what it feels like to be harassed. It's shameful that someone would try and hate on a well crafted animated show just because it's not something they like, but just because someone has an interest in something outside the norm (even just artwork) that doesn't necessarily mean they actively like or engage in the activity
When she finally did something bigger than a song or short animation someone just has gotta shut her down, good going people, the future is fucked.
Those haters take the idea that someone created something as a personal insult as they are too lazy to do anything.
i really want to start my own indie animation project, but im horrified of something like this happening to me and it just demotivates me
I already mentioned this to another user, but never let the trolls win over something petty. All they crave is attention. They're nothing more than bullies who spew hate for no reason, just because they're insecure about themselves!
Whatever you create, never let any of these haters get to you. Everyone has them. But there will be an audience waiting to see what you put out in the world. And thanks to what we're seeing so far, there's a lot of other artists who feel inspired to follow in their footsteps and try their hand at creating something great!
If they were able to gain a great following, you can as well! The biggest risk to take is taking no risk at all!
@@shaneaycock9306 Thank you so much! I already have someone who is willing to help write for me, and all i need to do is start animating soon… and a lot of planning and writing…
then do it, don't let those pathetic fatherless people scare you into not doing something you want!
They're no doubt a loud minority. Don't let it deter you.
I say you need a separate business accounts to post stuff related to your project and it only be related to your project, these people can’t chew on anything of your private life if you don’t have it out there
That’s heartbreaking. I watched the stream for a little bit before needing to do other thing. This will be the thing that ruins indie animation. Some people truly are cruel and should not have access to the internet.
Even if she does have a drill fetish, why does it matter😭 like oh no an adult person has a fetish *gasp* whatever will we do
exactly! if anything, practically everybody has some sort of fetish. its literally only bad if you actively force it onto other people
Im convinced that whoever is targeting these indie cartoonists must be paid by big animation companies to hinder indie animation as a whole
There’s drama already???
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Yeah and the amazing digital circus barley came out
Goose should make a character get drilled
honestly she should just be herself and quietly mock these haters that what i would have done
That would be extremely funny
@@Itariatan true that would be hilarious af
@@Itariatan
Hetalia fan in 2023? That makes me happy
Honestly no that will just make the drama blow up more then it already has, best just to ignore these people
Who needs a digital circus when we already live in one already?
Seriously, we shouldn't be harassing the creators or putting them against each other because you don't like any of them or their works.
A little side note, I really enjoyed watching the GlitchX live stream, it was so refreshing & lovely to see all the creators get along and have a good time together talking about their shows & drawing each others characters depsite all the internet drama & fandom/hatedom toxicity.
YEAH!!!!!!! :D
the best live stream I've ever watch
Some people just decide to hate on whatever is currently popular and label it "cringe" when they're (referring to the haters) the ones being cringy. This is funny and sad at the same time tbh.
haters: **starting a drama about gooseworx "FeTiSh" to drilling**
also haters: "HEHehE PomNI ThE JesTeR bOoSi" **wierd degenerate noises**
Goose is the master at disarming drama. She just counters with humor and then ignores it totally.
People doing things like this is horrible and is childish, people need to calm the hell down and chill out. Its really sad how these people are just be degraded over people that would not say these type of things if it was in their face, people think they can just hide behind screen but we even have a way of finding out who you are even without it. But again, very sad and horrible.
Bruh can one indie creator go two seconds without getting people hating just to hate
The thing is, Im working on a web series myself, but im SUPER scared these freaks are gonna do this again
It’s genuinely alien to me how some people make it their entire identity to hate on what seem to be anything popular just for the sake thereof. Like “hey look this new animation became popular. I’m going to pour through literal years of Twitter history for every single voice actor and creator in the project to find even a single thing to create a controversy over.” Like just… bruh. Granted, there have been times these kind of people have uncovered serious things like actual pedo stuff, but almost always it’s them making a mountain out of molehills because they have a need for any arbitrary reason to be hostile.
Like they go from finding a comic panel they did in 2021, accusing her of it being her fetish. She replies with a joke, which boils down to “I can neither confirm nor deny.” They then use that as proof that it’s their fetish. And THEN they go even further to accuse her of watching CP while watching her (alleged according to them) fetish. I mean holy mental gymnastics Batman. They need to make up a whole fictional scenario in their head to justify their actions.
Can't have an original idea or love for a project these days. Living in a spiteful filled world
This world is pretty messed up, it's true. But there's still good people with common sense like you and me. 💝☺
Also, I won't let the possibility of ridiculous harassment/hate stop me from achieving my art/writing dreams. Life's too short for that. 💎💅😎
@@mythicdw7826Amen! It's a sentiment I share as well. The world can be pretty cruel. But if you look past the negativity, there are those who are willing to support you. You're never alone in any of these battles. We've got your back!
Here's the biggest reason for why certain Indies have been getting hate:
Helluva/hazbin: people hating vivziepop herself
The amazing digital circus: it got popular way too fast
Lackadaisy: zebird
Yeah vivsie is really digging her own grave whenever someone gets mad at her.
agreed, honestly atleast gooseworx doesn't directly respond to drama feeding less and less attention towards it. I don't hate viv but whenever she talks or responds to drama it always backfires@@Jellymerit
Helluva Boss is genuinely garbage.
@@real_rutmen it ain't what it used to be, that's for sure
Gonna be honest I think a lot of the haters are industry plants. It wouldnt surprise me if some of the bigger studios are intimidated by the indie scene, so they have their social media departments make fake accounts to stir up drama and dox indie creators.
It is so downright suspicious to me that this drama is only spurring up around indie animation and not on Triple A mainstream productions.
No evidence for this but it would make sense
That honestly would not be out of the question, sadly.
This happens with a lot of popular animations nowadays it's not surprising tbh
i am very actively confused by gooseworx being in any sort of drama tbh, like she doesnt seem like the kind of person at ALL to get into that sort of stuff, she just makes silly little animations and music online :(
Gooseworx is a poor unfortunate creator who got doxed over a harmless joke, A-holes are mad at them because they think they have a "drill fetish". Gooseworx got dragged into drama that isn't drama, just an attack for the stupidest reason alive.
People just genuinely want a reason to hate the show and those who like it. Nobody giving constructive criticism does this shit and it feeds the loop of toxic fandom culture (which said people complain about)
@@Magosspud true
I personally don't really like the digital Circus but that's just bc it's not for me but doxxing is disgusting
I'm starting to feel like there needs to be some kind of system or site where all of this can be compiled and sent to local police departments. It probably wouldn't work and would be too Orwellian, but people shouldn't be allowed to threaten to kill people online and get away with zero repercussions. I'm far from a big fan of any of these creators involved (I don't know most of them), but I can't stand individuals being hate mobbed for literally no reason. There is something seriously wrong with people.
Honestly no people need to be arrested for doxxing especially because these people are probably repeat offenders. The only thing I worry is that these people would overrun the system
One thing i noticed is that from my knowledge helluva and tadc have confirmed queer characters (tadc - zooble is non binary, hb - basically everyone lol) and they both quickly started getting hate compared to other indie shows, it feels like theres a pattern
I watched TADC, and.. maybe I'm still too innocent in that way, but I can't really be bothered to see genders. I see a jester, a chess piece, a rabbit, talking teeth, a bubble, a ribbon, and so on. About the only one that has a "clear gender" to me is the Raggedy Anne doll, and as for the rest.. it just doesn't matter? I mean, this isn't 18+ stuff, so why should it?
@@calanon534representation is nice even when it doesn't affect the story
@@calanon534I understand what you’re saying, but as a gay non-binary person it’s nice seeing other NB characters or lgbtq characters and not another straight male or straight female character. It’s good to see and recognize and accept different genders not just group everyone in a “I don’t see gender”
@@hotcoldfireice97 I get what YOU'RE saying and - no smoke - I get that. It depends on the medium for me, though. For fantastical fiction with absurdist characters, like Digital Circus.. I don't get why any of that should be a concern. The conflict surrounds the circumstance, the absurdity, and the existential body horror, and rather intentionally, the form of the characters has no real bearing on the outcome.
On the OTHER hand.. say.. a sitcom? Drama, like _Law & Order?_ Or an animated feature or something of that nature focused on human or humanized animalistic characters, their feelings, and their struggles and situations? That.. that's when representation ought to be considered - when the conflict of the story has to do with the interpersonal relationships of the characters.
One funny story about representation, though. As a kid, growing up, one of my favorite "adult" shows was The Cosby Show. I was also a huge fan of Martin, and Living Single, later.
Let's just say, safely, I had zero representation on any of those shows. I still enjoyed them for what they were. So, it's not nearly as important to me - but, I'm not knocking you for finding it important to you for your entertainment considerations. Just a bit of insight into an old man's POV.
tbf in helluva/hazbins case theres a lot more valid reasons why ppl hate it
Twitter trying not to destroy a small project's reputation (Impossible)
I swear some people are just absolutely pathetic
imagine being so sad and purposeless that you spend all of your time trying to tear people down over literally nothing
Twitter... do something about harassment? Why tell a joke in such a serious video?
But seriously all of that was uncalled for, what is wrong with people?
Twitter is now run by someone who can’t really even keep the company from falling apart, best to not even have an account on there at all anymore. Most major businesses are pulling away and I don’t blame them.
People make it their sole mission to hate on indie shows and creators in general. They base thier sole identity on defamatory actions out of jealousy, or some other reason. Its honestly sad to see bc TADC has so much potenial to do great things.
People really have nothing to do but actively take a shite on things lmao
I really don't get why. Even if it was a fetish, who actually cares? Let them be and if you don't enjoy the content they make then just don't watch it. Why is that so hard for these people to not threaten everything they don't like?
so THAT'S Why I got that comment bot I had to ban from my channel... They must've seen me post on a glitch community post and decided to try and tank my channel... Wonder if that's related to my videos getting lower than average views lately. Not like I was ever swinging for the fences, but I was down considerably from where I was expecting to be on a couple things
If it is related, man that sucks
"That's kind of hilarious." Gooseworx is an absolute chad
The thing i like about you and your channel is the mainly objective covering of news like these. I hate the people that cant even manage to have a life other than harassing people
No way... an adult, doing.. ADULT things!?!?
i didn't think it was a literal drill fetish but like- seriously?
people are just get jealous and hate popular things automatically i swear
It's only been over a MONTH and Goose gets doxxed. God people are just...ugh...hope they find millipedes in their bedsheets tonight.
Constant things that'll always happen when you do an indie animation :
-Getting respect if you're not a terrible person
-Getting criticism for you to make the show better if you want to
-Getting your fans harassed by the so-called UTTP who's "declaring" a war against all communities for reasons *below* human comprehension.
This is kinda weird to think, but it’s actually stories like this that there’s probably not that many indie animations out there? Because I honestly want more independent animations out there! This is an art form! It’s a shame that a lot of people just discourage things. 😢
There are indie cartoons that are uploaded every single day. It's just that indie animation is consistent of a few big shows and everyone assumes that's indie animation. When in reality it's 1 guy making a cartoon cause he can. Indie animation has lost its way. I'm not a hater but I feel like it's become too industrelized with giant teams instead of you and a bud making a cartoon over the summer and posting it.
Having been Doxxed because of fallout from Story arc in my S.O's comic strip myself.
I can deeply empathize with what these creators are going through as it can have dire consequences.
Drilling fetish... That's definitely something i haven't seen before.
Do i care? Nah, but i sure as hell im curious lol
Some people have to tear others down to lift themselves up. It's really sad there are people out there with nothing better to do.
Seriously? Thats the best they got on Gooseworx? Not even any slightly racist jokes or questionable opinions, but just kink shaming?
Twitter is the worst.
I was hoping Digital Circus would be spared from Twitter, but alas, their hatred for anything popular knows no bounds.
Remember, doxing is a crime! And will get you in trouble! If not with the law then with people who have as little patience as you. Youre not safe either, trolls, and haters.
Doxing is idiotic. Why would someone decide do destroy some ones place of safety for a show they don't like? It's honestly ridiculous.
Because in their eyes, it's the only thing they can personally do. They want to actually make an impact on the person. Keeping it to insults doesn't work since it gets drowned out by positive comments, and are easily ignored or blocked. They feel the need to be acknowledged, hence why they don't pull any stops.
@@HotBaraDad666I sware these people have an attention fetish or something
Honestly, the amount of petty drama surrounding these indie shows at this point is why I've stopped watching them and associating qith fandoms. People are absolutely unhinged and need to touch grass and live in the real world for once.
People harass indie more than corporate due to corporations dont have a face tied to the direct involvment of certain things, or atleast not someone worthy of bullying. Its just some 50 year old guy who doesnt even use twitter most the time, but with indie you know the few select people have a big online presence and thats just juicy for these people to dig into.
Hatedoms over things that do no harm is the biggest sign of a group of no-lifes flaunting their lack of a life.
The one biggest problem with humanity is that there are people who make it there purpose just to hate on another creaters but I know that fans of the digital circus will stick together as a community ❤❤🎉🎉
What I don't understand is why Twitter hasn't taken some of these things down. This makes me really worried for Gooseworx. Also, how did they get their addresses?
I understand why: it's because melon huskrat is a self absorbed scumbag who doesn't actually care about peoples' safety
There are ways unfortunately. I've managed to dig up a lot of information on a couple of people myself without even having a real name publicly available. Not with the intent of releasing it of course.
One was someone causing trouble for a website I helped with, because I wanted to know as much about who I was dealing with as possible. The other was a fellow forum user I was friendly with who was curious about how much if his personal information could be tracked down without him even using his real name online.
Turns out it was all of it unfortunately.
These people honestly should be arrested if they are doxxing people
Wow, well, i don't think it'll stop me from creating my own indie series, and I'm still planning it all out right now!
I honestly think that doxxing someone for no reason makes you an attention seeker and it’s pathetic
Edit:I mean,the internet is supposed to be a free space but now that this happens things are becoming not so free and it’s just sad