Fluke 87V MAX versus Hioki DT4282
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ก.ค. 2024
- Link to the comparison table: drive.google.com/file/d/1GD3c...
DT4282 on Teste (CZ+SK distributor): bit.ly/3iK0jRP
DT4282 on Hioki offical page: www.hioki.com/global/products...
DT4282 vs 87V MAX poll for viewers - SK language, click on [Zobraz výsledky] to show results based on peoples opinions. Rated as in school.: www.elektrolab.eu/blog/fluke-...
In this video, we'll have a thorough look at two kings of the industry, Fluke 87V MAX versus Hioki DT4282. This video covers everything one would ever need when thinking about buying a hi-end multimeter.
Chapters:
0:00:00 Intro
0:05:00 The hi-end segment
0:08:38 Accessories
0:19:49 Accuracy
0:36:48 Display
0:42:44 Additional functionality
0:51:29 Mechanical
0:59:31 Continuity, diodes, capacity
1:15:01 DCV
1:20:55 ACV
1:26:21 DCA
1:36:04 Battery power
1:44:00 Multimeters inside
1:53:30 Summary
2:00:10 Some arguments
2:15:16 The end - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
I stumbled upon a Hioki DT4255 multimeter by accident, meaning to sell it, but it's so fantastic I decided to keep it. I love it. The instantaneous continuity is a huge plus, and has so many small quality of life things, like the short beeps indicating it's measuring. It's the little things that I'm increasingly realize make a bigger difference than specs.
So you're saying it's good? I never heard of that brand. Is that in the same league as fluke?
@@jonfreeman9682 Definitely in the same league, and IMO better. Given the choice I'd buy a Hioki multimeter.
Very nice review. Detailed, informative and entertaining all at once.
Thanks. The products were thoroughly articulated and I appreciate your bravery and honesty. Beware the fluke cult minions. It's also interesting that the best review comes from someone outside a traditional English speaking country. Slow progress has no doubt made you immune to ths status quo. This is simply the most intriciate review, not for these multimeters but any available on the internet. You are at the top of your game. Excellent job. Can you do the Hioki 4371-50 or 4372 and a fluke clamp meter for comparison in the future ? Thanks.
Thanks, I hope it has been helpful :)
I will be reviewing Hioki CM4141-50 ACA clamp meter with thin jaws and THD measurement ability.
@@bekrstechnologies looking forward to it.
Great comparison. Thank you for putting so much work into it. I have just bought the DT4261 with the bluetooth. It is better for my purpose. However, as you have mentioned a mA range would be nice on the Hioki 4261. The DT4282 has more functions which I could use for my hobby-things but I could not strech my budget.
Anyway, you made a great choice and I believe that the multimeter will serve you for a long time to your satisfaction.
@@marekpastornicky-elektrolab-eu thank you. Yes, it is an excellent DMM. I like the build quality, the test leads (have ordered additional Hioki ones and some other stuff) etc. It does the job and meets my needs.
@@oliverlison You are right, as it is a brand that "goes out of the mainstream" and deserves such attention, as it is interesting not only for the price, but also for the features that are commonly found in other manufacturers in higher classes
@@marekpastornicky-elektrolab-eu The first time I came Hioki across was about 30 years ago when I was an apprentice. Since after finishing my apprenticeship this brand was out of my sight. However, recently I was working on a problem. I was working on machine that indicated a voltage drop that lasts only milli-seconds and I began searching for recording devices to measure this voltage drop since it only was an indication. Wihile searching for a voltage logger I came across Hioki after 30 years. I needed a new DMM anyway - so I had look on their DMM offerings.
Perfect explanation. Thank you very much. This video taught me not to just blindly trust any renowned brand.
I own the Fluke 187, (New old stock) it is a 50,000 count meter, no longer available, but comes close to the Hioki 60,000 counts. Granted the Fluke line are expensive but are solid. The oldest is 28 years, (Fluke 867B) it recently developed rotary selector issues, common after 10 years. Took it apart knowing no parts would be available, but with luck, I was able to repair the meter, now back in service, (more of mantel piece). Their newest flagship is the 289, crap in my books, 50,000 counts, takes 20-30 seconds to boot up, heavy drain on batteries, and very large. I did enjoy your review, my only beef, 6000 count versus 60,000 is really not a fare assessment when comparing.
Excelent! On point and saved me money, thank you.
Today, there are several places to buy the 87V Max for $530 with the 175 probes, alligators, thermocouple.
Even from Fluke Direct you can get $530.
The next price up is $580 - $600.
Then somer are much higher $700+.
Many thousand thanks for a very interesting and informative review based on solid facts - excellent done !
I've owned DT4282 for more than two years now and I use it regularly at my little lab. This is an excellent meter which has managed to combine some advanced features with a classical user interface. To be honest, the only thing that I miss is the bargraph, and it's the only reason why this meter can't be absolutely perfect. This meter is still available brand new under 400 bucks at eaby with free international shipping directly from Japan. There is no other multimeter from a reputed brand, with so many features and high built quality that comes at a cost even closer to this. Fluke 179 comes around the same price with half of the features. This easily makes DT4282 the best bang for the buck in high end meter market. With this positve experience with DT4282, I'm thinking of getting their newest DT4261 on my bench.
now i know why shit dont work.
Thanks for interesting video.
Damn; your reviews are very addicting! Thanks a lot for all that info.
Very high quality content. Thank you for making this video.
Great comparison but i agree with the comment about apples and oranges. The 87v Max is field service oriented and is designed to get jammed into oily and dirty places when being used. It is not a lab meter. For example you could play a game of football with the fluke and still use it for two months straight.
As a heavy diesel mechanic, its a tough fluke meter every day of the week for me. I personally operate in dusty, filthy and oily environments frequently. The IP rating makes me much more comfortable. My only gripe are the probes for resistance and continuity testing when chasing problems in harnesses historically with flukes but in which case when you're so far heavily invested in your own tools you tend to buy the best tools from different brands knowing that no one manufacturer makes the best everything ie buying aftermarket probes
This is a great video for people looking to learn about both meters at once. This was informative for me as for field service i have made the jump from 117 to 177 to 88V and now to the 87v max.
I might add i also own the DT4221 for leaving in my ute and DT4256 for the workshop and to loan to the apprentices.
So funnily enough even though it was an apples and oranges comparison, it was very helpful in chosing my next meter, as the 287 was not really on my mind.
Thanks for a job well done
I don't think so. The Hioki is designed for field work.
Great video. I have a couple of Flukes 98 V (but not the MAX version) and they are great. An idea for a future video: Could you please give some practical examples when a True RMS multimeter gives valuable insight towards understanding an issue or helping when repairing a machine?
Can you test Megger, Gossen and Flir meters?
People always say that fluke is better. Fluke is very good, like Keysight and Hioki. They are for me the top brands. I have Fluke multimeters and they are amazing tools, but when i tested the DT4282, from Hioki, I've noticed that a really powerful tool, appear and join the show for high end equipments.
You do such a great job getting details in not many consider important, especially 'usability'. 'This should be working! I read the manual. I did what it says. WTF?" sort of thing. ;-)
Nice job on this, very thorough. Flukes are not really made for technicians. They are made for maintenance personnel who follow (initially if they are good) written instructions. Many of these instructions are 10 or more years old. Flukes are designed NOT to change.
Exactly as you say. I would even add additional 30 years to the instructions.
However, too many people consider Flukes to be the best one can get, and keep forcing other people and companies to buy a Fluke. Some companies even take Flukes out of the drawer when they have an audit, and then continue using their more convenient meters. This must stop. Flukes are not what people consider them to be.
Fluke is great but its expensive for the brand in most cases
I have been a maintenance and field engineer for the past 36+ years. I would like to say "FLUKE = CONFIDENCE".
Other meter brands come and go, better, more features, we've seen them all. BUT the only meter which you can trust when you are cold sweating at 3 AM, alone with a machine and the Customer is waiting for the repair, and the single reading that you take would decide which part to replace and have to make a decision to wait for 1 hour till the part arrives on site, I only trusted the reading from a FLUKE. DEPENDABLE.
P.S. I still have a FLUKE 8060AA (1989) working as new. Let's wait for the other meters 30+ years banged and beaten in the field, the judge.
I think those two multimeters should not be compared, they are not of the same category,
Good Night Man, 🎩
But 87V and DT4282 are. And as 87V Max is almost the same as 87V, then they are comparable
I remember someone saying that Hioki min/max mode is implemented as "always-on". It's on by default and you can always track the min/max since powered on. And they have a "clear" button to clear the storage so it starts from 0 again.
Fluke 87 V Max HAS nanosiemens! It is selectable by RANGE.
Such feature is not written nowhere on the device
After watching this I don't know if I should buy an 87 now (I was considering it), that closeup on the current shunt was shocking!I don't know whether I should get a 121GW, Hioki or a Uni-T maybe...
Fluke 87v is amazing meter, both are great but Hioki needs bar graph on their best model
i never use the buzzer feature on my fluke meter i do not see the point as i look at the display for the actual reading
Great video, shows almost every thing. I'm going to buy Hioki DT4282
Will the front-end rotating mechanism of the L9300 become loose and wobbly over time?
It hasn't so far, but God knows what will happen in 5 years
I just bought a DT4282 and paired it with the L9300. I found that the rotating part of the L9300 can still shake slightly even after it is rotated down and locked.
Are there any good meters with rechargeable batteries?
You can always put rechargeable cells inside of these. Just use generic NiMH batteries, or better ones like Panasonic/Sanyo Eneloop.
There are some multimeters that use more modern standard 18650 cells, but only scopemeters. Unfortunately, there is just a few of them, and when it comes to powerhouse, multimeters have been the same for last like 40 years or so. It's time to move towards lithium ion 18650.
And when it comes to multimeters with proprietary lithium battery, screw them, smash them with a hammer and bury them deep enough so that noone would follow this rigged scheme. Nothing good never came from proprietary batteries.
Would have bought this meter in a heartbeat, except it has no bar graph. Such a shame to be missing this function.
You don't need bar graph. It's a gimmick. A distraction.
@@jonfreeman9682 Well, that’s your opinion. I like using it to see trends, which are much more obvious with a bar graph than a bunch of rapidly changing digits. But you do you, boo. 😉
@@F16_viper_pilot Haha ha okay. To each his own. But I always found it gimmicky. 😆
@@jonfreeman9682 Yeah, well, lots of people keep analog meters around for exactly the reason I stated, but the digital meters have faster response times. So, maybe don’t assume everyone has the same use cases as you.😉
I agree with you F16. If the Hiko DT4282 multimeter had a bargraph, I would buy it immediately. Bargraph is very effective in detecting conductor non-contact and noise.
3:04 Fluke 87V MAX has a "version for explosive environment and also a version for automotive?" How are these versions distinguished?
87V EX and 87V/A
Such a great detail video, although i have a Fluke meter, i would buy a Hioki multimeter in the future.
Thankyou. Very good work. Can you please measure microvolts with both meters, AC and DC. This would be helpful when looking for leakage current in automotive. The noise floor is very important.
I could measure 3-6 DC uV or 0uV AC uV when jacks were shorted.
Мультик огонь! Обзор тоже огонь! Показал все важные детали, о которых простые обзорщики даже не знают. Мужик! Где-то тихо плачет Ака Касьян с его любимыми плюками.
Может когда будет у него возможность купить другие хорошие мультиметры - он поменяет свое мнение.
When I make measurements, I always use BM869s "BRYMEN". But when an unexpected measurement happens, I always check it with FLUKE289.
When I get external verification and they want to see what the measurement looks like, I always show them the measurement with FLUKE289. I never have problems when they see FLUKE! All instruments are calibrated, certified, but only with Fluke I have no problems. This is the bare reality!I don't know HIOKI, it must be a very good instrument. The BM869S is also an excellent instrument, both are better than FLUKE. But are they equally reliable, traceable, calibrated, credible, stable when you compare them with FLUKE?
I always say :
Want to pose before someone? Wanna look professional? Use Fluke visibly.
Want to get something done? Use Hioki (same applies for Brymen, they are equally good, but their high end models use 9V batteries which I hate)
Fluke doesn't innovate and doesn't fix mistakes. 87V Max is full of mistakes, and their voltage VDE testers too. They could get me killed few times. Now I carry two voltage testers in my toolbox. Amprobe for when I want to work in the cabinet, and Fluke if some tuxedo snob was looking.
You are quite right - Fluke DMM´s are obsolete and highly overpriced - I agree with you they don´t deserve to be classified as industrial standards - the DMM´s are practical jokes- I do dislike them ! Hioki is a much better choice and brand as you correctly concluded and I will purchase one then I can afford it. Lastly many thanks for your honest review based only on facts ! Many Greetings from Stockholm ( Sweden ) and Jan Eklöf
I run a fluke 86 iii- still badass
Are there any smaller multimeters you recommend? I was thinking UT133A
I personally use either big classic multimeters, or pen type multimeter GVDA GD107
Thanks 3 for 🎉
I bought the 87v max, i assume it will last for electrician work and still use it for hobbies. I hope i don't have to buy another one after warranty lifetime ends
I don't know what this is. I don't know what a multimeter is. but you make me want to buy a hioki multimeter.
17:53
You neglected to mention that these threads can also be used to attach alligator clamps which are pretty handy and much more likely to be useful to the average person.
Going to pull the trigger on fluke 87v then I stumbled on this video.. Finally decided to get hioki Dt4282. Japan equipment quality is no Brainer for me
Fluke does not auto range when using relative mode
And for good reason too : when you REL the meter stores the reading as a baseline, so when you change range, the stored value is no longer valid.
I never heard of Hioki. Is that in the same league as Fluke? Never seen them sold anywhere but seems like a very good design.
Same league. But designed better, as they actually evolve, unlike Fluke.
👍👍
The theatrical part on the probe sectıon might turn off some people who are fans Fluke like football fans. It might do some injustice to your objectivity which you clearly demonstrate when you criticize Hioki.
I have 2 of the DT4282's........I also have many Flukes which I now hardly use much
Joe Smith likes the Brymen multimeters.
Bm235, BM789 and Bm869s. I agree with Joe.
I would definitely want to try a Brymen in future. They are user friendly, quite convenient, and safe as heck. But their most hi-end models are still powered by 9V battery, which I absolutely hate in multimeters.
My Brymen 869s stopped measuring AC voltage in few months of very light usage and later started showing InErr in all modes. Brymen Service center couldn't figure out what's wrong and said I should ship it to Taiwan for further research, of which the shipping expense for both ways would be mine. It's now a brick I hold on to.
20:12:27: Hold on there! I do own a Liebherr fridge and it sucks. When I bought, I paid the twice the amount what a Beko or Bosch fridge cost at the time. Yes, they are mechanically sturdy with door handles, shelves etc but keeps producing icy walls and freezing everything close to these walls (also on the non-freezer part). That is next to all that far*ing noises it makes (they just did not update their design when environmental regulations required a change of gas type). Next time better Beko or Bosch.
We have one with a fan at the top, and no problems with heat distribution
@@bekrstechnologies My icing problem is only in summers and luckily where I live hot days in summers are relatively few... I think I have been unlucky with their crap engineering. Attracted by separate motors for each compartment. Anyways to cut the long story short, I think they should stick to cranes and excavators. They are great.
you call the diode test having its own position stupid....
but this is 1 of the most commonly used test on circuit boards!
ya we can fucking hear it DUH!
It is incorrect to compare a device with 6000 count with a device with 60,000 counts.
Hioki DT4282 should be compared with Fluke 289 or at least 287...
It would be heavily unfair to compare hioki with twice as expensive fluke. Even now the fluke is significantly more expensive than hioki. No need to deepen the price gap even further.
maybe adjust the settings on the 85v to match the Chinese knock off. maybe a fairer test.
1) there is no 85V
2) there is no Chinese knockoff
LOL... Hioki is Japanese not Chinese and as the world knows ... the Japanese are quite good at building electronics !!! Great video ...
Man you are BIASED!! But for well explained facts and reasons. Much nuanced and detailed. thank you sir!!
Why is the high end Hioki racing through different values even when it is just lying on the table? The Fluke is solidly at ZERO!
Because Hioki is sensitive enough to catch anything in the air. Meanwhile numb Fluke doesn't register almost anything.
🤣🤣🤣@@bekrstechnologies
Jiri, you’re comparing apples to oranges.
If you want to make a fair comparison, then compare the Hioki DT4282 with Fluke 287.
Fluke 287 costs exactly twice as much compared to DT4282.
While I agree that 87V MAX is not direct competitor against DT4282, you can easily imagine classic 87V in its place, thanks to all the differences between 87V and 87V MAX I mentioned in the video. And 87V would be a direct competitor to DT4282.
@@bekrstechnologies In the US Fluke 287 is 14% more expensive than Hioki DT4282. I don't know about prices in the EU. Please don't take me wrong, I do agree the DT4282 is excellent choice, but the comparison isn't fair.
Import taxes and price policies differ between continents, that's why I said that in the video. Here in Europe, if we would take both multimeters from european Farnell, that has both of them, Fluke 87V MAX costs 33% more than Hioki DT4282. And Fluke 287 is approx twice the price.
Prices in Hellas (Greece) :
Fluke 287 - shop 1: 1.067,64 €
Hioki DT4282 - shop 1: 642,32 € - shop 2: 645,00 €
I can basically buy the "new" Hioki DT4261 AND the new CM4373 AND their bluetooth thingy in the total price of 962,24 € and be left with more than 105 € in pocket compared with Fluke 287 and mind you 105 € here are like about half a week's salary (when you aren't working for "free" as is usual).
Fluke 179 costs anywhere from 549,99 € to 610,17 € and everything in between which is the closest to price-wise competition to DT4282 here (and is meant to compete with 4261 if I am not mistaken which costs about 320e alone or 395 including the bluetooth thingy).
The closest to DT4282 shown, is 77 IV in Hellas, still costing more than 50e higher or the Fluke 233 costing just as much but lower.
The closest to DT4261 is Fluke 115 about 15e higher or the Fule 114 about the same lower....
There is literally no reason to buy Fluke here (vs many other about just as well made and perfectly safe and certified DMMs including Hioki, Flir etc) with these prices other than blind braging rights.
It would be more fair to the Hioki to be compared to the Fluke 287 as it is closer to the functionality of the DT4282. But the DT4282 is a much better size as the 287 is huge. The DT4282 user interface is superior as the 287 has too many menus - even for typically used functions that should be available without the hunting. The DT4282 also is more durable as the 287 has the worst - most fragile kickstand on the market. Also the 287 will go thru batteries like crazy - so have rechargeable on hand. Also the logging will cost much more with the Fluke as well as having to subscribe and pay monthly for the service - where Hioki app is totally free. The 287 was designed - about 17 years ago so we have to give it a break - it is an old design that requires a power on switch that you have to wait for - instead of the almost instant power on of the DT4282. So actually Fluke has nothing to compare to the DT4282. The 189 would have been a contender, but they discontinued that to save the 87. This is IMHO of course, but my 287 is my least favorite meter.
Švejk style review, a kind of interesting , if you like Švejk
You have seen the entire 2h 17m video in 1h 30m time it has been public?
Anyway, do you think it's appropriate to try to dishonor someone else based on what's absolutely unrelated? You are here under a video on multimeters, act as a sane adult person, not a cheeky brat.
Like why did you post such a stupid comment here? You should be ashamed of yourself...
unstable as windows 95 😂😂
HIOKI brand was so amazing it's has made in japan wow much better than the Fluke many components inside " while the Fluke is so expensive '
This is such a funny obviously bias video 😂unfortunately no amount of stupid compassions will erode Flukes reputation for quality and accuracy but good try but a massive fail.
"Superiority" is racist! Next time include meters from Africa and South America in your comparison. ; )
Wouldn't it be 9 volt block measurement with a tongue? :D
The more I learn about DMMs, the more I'm convinced Fluke is some weird cult.
Beats up on the fluke by plugging and slamm8ngmitmaround. Lousy review..get another job..
I don't accept this review
You have every right to not accept facts
Fluke cultist alert. Must've paid $1000 and is too painful to admit they got jibbed.
Paying $1000 for 25 year old tech at 6-20,000 counts must be too painful to articulate openly. I understand.
The HIOKI 4261 Is not designed nor is aimed at any electronics use. It is simply for the average electricians that won't even need to use (measure) currents in the range of microamps. This is the reason why. And by the way, I've got a Fluke 85 V version and is a fast and a great and long lasting multimeter but as you pointed out has lots of shortcomings therefore I'm gonna "surely" buy a HIOKY 4282 soon. I really like the dual display and the warning functions, more stability, more accuracy, and an overall a much nicer layout and display. Well done HIOKI I'm your costumer.
LOL... Fluke is very good but it is indeed overpriced... Amprobe (also owned by Danaher, same company that owns Fluke) is great; Flir, Testo, Hioki, Sanwa, Ideal, CEM, Greenlee, Klein, Brymen, Extech, Southwire, Uni-T, Voltcraft, Gossen, Ideal, Etc.... are great - multimeters also depend very much upon usage, needs, environment, personalities and budget: outside, inside or bench and personal preferences !!!
Fluke is overpriced lies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!