Anthony Fincher he said it CAN lead to Tommy John. Nearly every major leaguer these days throws either a cutter or a slider. And obviously not every pitcher gets Tommy John. It’s not one size fits all, his point was just that cutters and sliders are harder on your elbow so you have to make sure you have good mechanics
This might sound hyperbolic, but I swear if you gave Pedro Martinez 2 hours of solo work with every pitcher in baseball and the overall ERA and WHIP of both leagues would drop by 15%. It is rare that a formerly great player can talk about the art of what they did and not sound like, "I did it this way and I did it that way." He could teach your 11 year old to throw over the plate, he could take a struggling pro and refit the one or two flawed fundamentals back into him and he could take a guy who is going really well, add in a small change in grip or finger pressure, balance out his stride a bit and make him just that more effective.
You can lead a horse to water but can’t force it to drink and here’s another one can’t teach an old dog new tricks at least not at these stages in the game.
Pedro did a similar video about Otani a couple years ago and we know what happened next. The crazy thing about this, it´s how can the pitching staff, manager, etc don´t notice this stuff? I mean, I know Pedro knows his shit like no one, but still, it´s insane!
+Adam Leandro The positives were he said he has poise, the make up, handle situations well, and is cold blooded. THEN he said the mechanics are raw, nice try Adam btw put your fists down in your pic it makes you look gay.
It's crazy how you can actually tell what Pedro means by someone's mechanics when you compare videos with guys like deGrom and Jack Morris. What it means to have your arm extended, to keep closed until your front foot lands.
aaaand now Mize is shut down indefinitely with an elbow sprain. this video is almost 2 years old.... Pedro knows his shit. the comparison of him and deGrom at 2:36 is wild.
I agree he knows his shit. The frames weren’t really lined up though. Mize still had the ball in his hand and deGrome was actually releasing it. Doesn’t really take away from his point though.
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Pedro is 100% correct. I saw the bad mechanics after 2 pitches. And with bad mechanics and he throws hard splitters that will stress the elbow and it almost always leads to tommy john.
When they said first first overall pick to ever go undrafted out of highschool aren't they wrong. Im pretty sure strausburg was drafted #1 and was not drafted out of high school
The Tigers could have hired pedro as a consultant; The Tigers have been bad drafting college players. Their pro scouting is fine - its the amateur thats bit them in the ass.
that is not how it works. if your shoulder is weak it doesnt make your elbow weak. The stronger joint gets all the stress placed on it which is what can cause your elbow or shoulder to blow. If your elbow is weak, your shoulder will take the stress, and no matter how strong, it will blow. it works both ways.
the split finger doesnt stress the arm. it is a myth that was came about because people who threw the splitter would get hurt. Not all of them, just some of them. so, teams got scared of it and would make pitchers not throw it. It stresses the forearm which isn't the ligament however so at worst a forearm strain here and there. tommy john is caused by poor mechanics 99% of the time and stress 1%.
Mize’s mechanics aren’t great, but the comparison between deGrom & him is disingenuous. you’re just stopping Mize’s video a little before the point you’re stopping it with deGrom
Ok let’s say ur right, still...this is Pedro Martinez man. Pretty sure he, despite the videos, knows a little something about split finger pressure, mechanics, and what a good and bad form looks like, so who cares
Same here, I couldnt pinpoint the issue like pedro but it looked quirky and looked like he was releasing the ball near his ear instead of the desired downward plane.
His k/bb ratio has always been absolutely insane in college and the minors so thats a great start. In all levels (college-MLB) he has 468 Ks and only 78 walks. I think nerves have played a part in his control as of late. But maybe his mechanics got a little messed up because of the shortened spring training and time off, who knows. Im confident he will figure it out!
Yeah the difference between him and Fulmer is Fulmer was the rookie of the year prior to Tommy John! Casey mize hasn't done anything in the majors he's a bust for sure won't pitch again till he's 28
Now you got me scared of my mechanics, I have terrible mechanical pitching, not fully extended elbow. I am scared of getting Tommy John, every once in a while I have elbow pain on my pitching arm
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Split finger is an evil pitch. Look at the Giant and Astros in the 80's... a lot of very good, if not great pitchers using the split finger. BUT, how long did they last. Roger Craig prob ruined a lot pitching careers after a couple of seasons.
Hearing Pedro speaking about mechanics is like hearing Davinci speaking about painting.
Anthony Fincher he said it CAN lead to Tommy John. Nearly every major leaguer these days throws either a cutter or a slider. And obviously not every pitcher gets Tommy John. It’s not one size fits all, his point was just that cutters and sliders are harder on your elbow so you have to make sure you have good mechanics
Johnathan Lucroy he said it gives Tommy John to people who aren’t mature enough. Rivera was definitely mature enough.
@@TRAMNITTSU Rivera did have Elbow problems early in his career throwing sliders, though it wasn't TJ.
This might sound hyperbolic, but I swear if you gave Pedro Martinez 2 hours of solo work with every pitcher in baseball and the overall ERA and WHIP of both leagues would drop by 15%.
It is rare that a formerly great player can talk about the art of what they did and not sound like, "I did it this way and I did it that way." He could teach your 11 year old to throw over the plate, he could take a struggling pro and refit the one or two flawed fundamentals back into him and he could take a guy who is going really well, add in a small change in grip or finger pressure, balance out his stride a bit and make him just that more effective.
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Pedro called it 😢 hoping for a speedy recovery for Mize.
Pedro!! Please meet up with Mize!! Give him your knowledge!! For the sake of baseball!!
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You can lead a horse to water but can’t force it to drink and here’s another one can’t teach an old dog new tricks at least not at these stages in the game.
Wow, he called this. Pedro is an expert of mechanics
Pedro did a similar video about Otani a couple years ago and we know what happened next. The crazy thing about this, it´s how can the pitching staff, manager, etc don´t notice this stuff? I mean, I know Pedro knows his shit like no one, but still, it´s insane!
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Pedro: I wanna talk about the positives first
Pedro's first comment: He doesn't have good mechanics
He said they were raw, not bad....
LMAOO
Except his first comment was about his mental attributes and make up, like with pressure, for example. Great listening skills, Adam!
Yea, Pedro keeps it real.
+Adam Leandro The positives were he said he has poise, the make up, handle situations well, and is cold blooded. THEN he said the mechanics are raw, nice try Adam btw put your fists down in your pic it makes you look gay.
Imagine if Mize could fix that bent-arm issue, it's game over
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We really need to take time to appreciate the genius of Pedro. I hope Casey Mize watches this
Holy ish... Pedro is really smart
It's crazy how you can actually tell what Pedro means by someone's mechanics when you compare videos with guys like deGrom and Jack Morris. What it means to have your arm extended, to keep closed until your front foot lands.
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Pedro knew it all along
Pedro really knows his stuff. This is excellent.
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I can feel the pain in my elbow when Pedro talks about this.
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Pedro called Ohtani for TJ too!
And he was right
I value Pedro’s take on mechanics so much after he totally called Tommy Koehler’s career perfectly
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aaaand now Mize is shut down indefinitely with an elbow sprain. this video is almost 2 years old.... Pedro knows his shit. the comparison of him and deGrom at 2:36 is wild.
I agree he knows his shit. The frames weren’t really lined up though. Mize still had the ball in his hand and deGrome was actually releasing it. Doesn’t really take away from his point though.
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Bingo. Pedro ,150 percent right.
Sounds like the Detroit Tigers need to hire Pedro Martinez to help Al Aliva.
Could Pedro call the tigers organization and pass this on to them please.
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Pedro predicted the future :(
Pedro was right about ohtani and now he was right about Mize
People need to listen to Pedro. Dude knows what he's talking about.
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Crazy he just had Tommy John this year
He is going to be a G.O.A.T.!!!!
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Mize is goated. Best prospect pitcher besides gore
Mize is awesome. I look forward to him pitching for detroit for years to come
Sixto Sanchez is filthy
@@amabanananaMize did get drafted number 1 in 2018.
@@amabananana Mize didn't go from number one pick to undrafted. It was the other way around. What's your source?
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Damn he called it
These comments seem borderline prophetic now that Mize is going under the knife for Tommy John. Pedro knows what he’s taking about
pedro called it
Hopefully he sees this
pedro is the goat
Jesus Pedro predicted it
Not even two years later, Casey Mize is going to get Tommy John surgery. Sad, but Pedro was right on point.
Prophetic ... guys got a sprained MCL now...
2:32. look how clean degroms elbow looks mizes looks like his is turned inside out or something.
Well now he's about to get Tommy John so yep... what a fucking waste of a 1:1.
He called it…sad
Pedro nailed it unfortunately
Pedro is 100% correct. I saw the bad mechanics after 2 pitches. And with bad mechanics and he throws hard splitters that will stress the elbow and it almost always leads to tommy john.
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When they said first first overall pick to ever go undrafted out of highschool aren't they wrong. Im pretty sure strausburg was drafted #1 and was not drafted out of high school
Yeah I just read his wikipedia article and you're right he wasn't drafted out of high school
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Why isnt Pedro a pitching coach yet
He works as a Assistant with The Sox but yeah he should be The Pitching Coach for Them
Why do all that travel when you have a studio gig ?
Pedro has a doctorate in pitching
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The Tigers could have hired pedro as a consultant; The Tigers have been bad drafting college players. Their pro scouting is fine - its the amateur thats bit them in the ass.
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I thought Strausburg also went undrafted out of high school
Mize out with elbow strain a year after this video
My friend is cousins with him
that is not how it works. if your shoulder is weak it doesnt make your elbow weak. The stronger joint gets all the stress placed on it which is what can cause your elbow or shoulder to blow. If your elbow is weak, your shoulder will take the stress, and no matter how strong, it will blow. it works both ways.
i cant english well, so who can summarize in 2~3 sentences?
He needs to throw the ball better so he doesn't hurt his arm
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Mize is done.
With his present mechanics I agree. But he may get a overhaul- or become a relief pitcher where he can pitch balls out for an inning or two.
LOL
the split finger doesnt stress the arm. it is a myth that was came about because people who threw the splitter would get hurt. Not all of them, just some of them. so, teams got scared of it and would make pitchers not throw it. It stresses the forearm which isn't the ligament however so at worst a forearm strain here and there. tommy john is caused by poor mechanics 99% of the time and stress 1%.
Mize’s mechanics aren’t great, but the comparison between deGrom & him is disingenuous. you’re just stopping Mize’s video a little before the point you’re stopping it with deGrom
Ok let’s say ur right, still...this is Pedro Martinez man. Pretty sure he, despite the videos, knows a little something about split finger pressure, mechanics, and what a good and bad form looks like, so who cares
If you actually see the video in one part pedro said they have pretty munch the same arm angle that's why he compared him to Jacob.
I’m sure Pedro know what he is talking about lol
I’m pretty sure I’m going to trust the word of Pedro Martinez before I even remotely consider listening to a TH-cam pitching coach 🙄
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"phenom pitcher" jlmfao at this cope
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Idk man. I’ve heard DeGrom complain about a sore elbow mulitple times
When I watched his debut I thought his arm looked funky
Apparently I was right
Same here, I couldnt pinpoint the issue like pedro but it looked quirky and looked like he was releasing the ball near his ear instead of the desired downward plane.
2022 Pedro was right
He's front a-line starter , just got tweak some things. The tigers have a Verlander 2.0 on their hands.
HAHAHAHAHA
As a former catcher, I love hearing Pedro talk pitching. Just pure information and insight.
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Pedro is right on and that’s why he’s a legend
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Pedro was right
He has really nasty pitches but the control is not quite there yet
His k/bb ratio has always been absolutely insane in college and the minors so thats a great start. In all levels (college-MLB) he has 468 Ks and only 78 walks. I think nerves have played a part in his control as of late. But maybe his mechanics got a little messed up because of the shortened spring training and time off, who knows. Im confident he will figure it out!
Jason Tresh I’m not saying he is doing bad and as a tigers fan i am thrilled with the progress he has made.
his control was great in college- thats not the problem- hes afraid to throw a strike.
Stephen Strausburg was undrafted out of high school and then went first overall. So Casey Mize wasn’t first.
And boom! Tommy John.
slimjimihendrix and a whole bunch of other injuries as well
And now he needs a Tommy John. What a bust
Yeah the difference between him and Fulmer is Fulmer was the rookie of the year prior to Tommy John! Casey mize hasn't done anything in the majors he's a bust for sure won't pitch again till he's 28
Well, here we are
Imagine - the Tigers took a guy #1 overall with bad mechanics- and Mize is getting lit up. I wonder if the Tigers brass has seen this video.
He's doing better now
And his mechanics are slowly getting better
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Hope Casey was watching this because us tigers fans don’t want to see him have to get TJ
Now you got me scared of my mechanics, I have terrible mechanical pitching, not fully extended elbow. I am scared of getting Tommy John, every once in a while I have elbow pain on my pitching arm
Well consider your career over😂
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Pedro was right
Pedro has so much knowledge man, wow
Crazy cause he got TJ
Pedro trained Hansel Robles and now he is good
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Pedro is a genius
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This was on point, Pedro knew. I'm excited to see Casey back though. He's awesome
These Pedro mechanics vids make my elbow sore
This explains the Japanese pitcher elbow problems
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Pedro called it.
i really like pedro but there weren't a whole lot positives (first) ^^
well...
Split finger is an evil pitch. Look at the Giant and Astros in the 80's... a lot of very good, if not great pitchers using the split finger. BUT, how long did they last. Roger Craig prob ruined a lot pitching careers after a couple of seasons.
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I Could watch Pedro talk about pitching all day
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Sad how this ended up coming true already, but damn Pedro knows his stuff
he's so right. like some baseball savant.
Was Pedro speaking English
Just shut it. You and I both know he certainly was, and very well too I might add
Don’t play dumb
He always does on this show!