You think he is good as an analyst? I've always thought he knows the absolute least ball out of everyone every single time he is on a panel. His takes are always awful and with no understanding of the modern game. He was an all time pitcher, but I don't respect his baseball brain much.
Anybody who watched Pedro at his peak, and leading up to his peak KNEW he was different. I started following him in '97, watched him beat Maddux for the Cy in '97, and jumped for joy when he was traded to the Red Sox for the '98 season. He was the reason the Red Sox experienced a spike in popularity and it is a shame they couldn't win a couple more WS during his reign as the top pitcher in baseball. There was nothing like a Pedro day at Fenway.
So true. Every time he pitched, it was an EVENT. Make sure you get your ass to a TV at 7:05. Pedro's on the hill today. He might throw a no hitter or strike out 18 guys or something like that every time out.
As a Yankees fan I felt so disappointed in Don Zimmer, atleast he apologized LIVE the next day to everybody so good on him. But I never blamed Pedro, just throwing him to the ground and just exiting himself out of that fight before it escalated to fist fighting was the only option he really had there.
I became a baseball fan (Dodgers fan) in 97 and when I was 9 going to 10, I saw this man every now and then when we could saw a few of his games pitched and those 99 and 00 season with the other stuff happening, some legendary shit 💯💯
He pitched in Boston and hitters park with Roided up hitters . No team player could hit Pedro. One of the best of all time. He was like Maddux but through 100Mph
@@Juan-it4mx Neither was Lance Armstrong and all the cyclists who got caught using steroids. Also, Dee Gordon, a pencil-thin player, also got caught. Don't be so naive and believe everything you see LMAO
One of the greatest pitchers in the hirstory of the game. A bulldog and gamer on the mound. 95-98 heater, a filthy slider and a devastaing changeup to fool you off that heater. Amazing.
Personally I always find it wild whenever people talk about "short athletes" because almost always the players are above average in terms of height overall, just short when compared to other athletes. The only "short athlete" in baseball that I can think of who I'd call actually short is Jose Altuve
As a Red Sox fan, I didn’t watch Pedro until 2004, and he was great. I can imagine if Brayan Bello could become the next Pedro Martinez, since he’s getting pointers by the man himself
I'll never forget watching Pedro in 99 and 00 seeing these roided up hitters just looking absolutely foolish and helpless. He was basically invincible those years.
That's because he was roided pitcher himself. Anyone who thinks a skinny Pedro was doing it all naturally while his fellow countrymen were raking in millions of dollars while juicing is foolish to believe he was actually clean.
@@Joseph-lz5erthen how exactly did he go about staying super clean his whole career in regards to the media when every other player who juiced had multiple sources come out either proving or alleging they were juicing?
@@Joseph-lz5eralso if he was juicing then how do you explain the countless injuries and lack of physical changes including his pitch speed? Was he juicing all the way back to when he started when he was broke asf? Was he taking horrible roids that didn’t enhance his durability like every other juicer?
To put a visual on how popular he was, Pedro Martinez made his Phillies debut on August 12th 2009. At the time, if you went to Citizens Bank Park you'd notice the most popular "shir-sey's at the time belonged to Chase Utley, Ryan Howard, and Jimmy Rollins. And outside of maybe Carlos Ruiz, it wasn't even close. I was at his Phillies home debut and there were a few Martinez jerseys here and there. Later in the month, I went to his second Phillies home start and by that point, Pedro Martinez "shir-seys" had taken the top spot over the aforementioned 3......AND IT WASN'T EVEN CLOSE!!! I'm absolutely grateful that I had the opportunity to watch him pitch in person. Even in his final season, Pedro was an absolute thrill and wonder to watch.
Pedro & Randy Johnson were pitchers who made hitters think twice. As a Red Sox fan, the time Pedro pitched were our salad days in baseball. Boy, this time was glorious..
Pedro 2000 is the best season a pitcher has ever had and it's not even close. His ERA was less than half of the next best guy in the league. I don't know what more needs to be said.
I was born in 83 so this time period was my wheelhouse for baseball. The best pitching Ive seen in my years watching was the 99 and 00 seasons from Pedro. He was borderline actually unhittable. He had such mound presence too. I wish Yordan Ventura (rip) was still around, he was the closest to Pedro. Obviously not as good of stuff, but similar size and attitude.
Cleveland made some great timed trades to drop players starting to decline (Baerga for Vizcaino and especially Jeff Kent), but they could never quite pull the trigger to get the top of the line starters available (Pedro and Randy Johnson just from the Expos). They did fleece Montreal for Grady Sizemore (would have been a great without unfortunate injuries) and Cliff Lee for Colon....but adding either Pedro or Randy to that 90s team likely would have put them over the top to a World Series win. All respect to them, but the Tribe's pitchers were Dennis Martinez, Orel Hershisher (feisty vets but not dominant), Charles Nagy, (solid) and Chad Ogea (those are the ones I remember and not digging too deep). They did try with Jack McDowell, but he was on the downslope and wouldn't pan out. What putting even Pedro into that lineup (considering Randy was still considered risky/wild even a few years after he went to Seattle - thanks to Nolan Ryan for his advice) would have been impressive. No real hate on the Cleveland front office as they hit more than they missed, and they wouldn't include Jaret Wright in the deal. The seeds of that John Hart front office, and basically the start of analytics, have definitely served the team with an extremely low payroll quite well. Just this year, for instance: Guardians: $1,897,960 per win Yankees: $5,686,946 per win Of course I'd like them to have more money to spend, but they don't and so over the last 30 years they have had to work smarter than teams with higher payrolls just out of necessity.
I love how Pedro gets an automatic pass because he wasn't a muscle head. Keep in mind who his teammates were in Boston and they all got a pass because the mlb loved the story tale of the Redsox back then
He apparently was on that 2003 list of positive test. Just like 5 other players from that 2004 WS team. While it's an unconfirmed list he should definitely be looked at with more scrutiny.
My all time favorite player and the best pitcher I've ever watched. He dominated everybody during the height of the steroid and live ball era. They all walked away shaking their heads.
It's remarkable how many dominant starters, some of the best ever, pitched through the "steroid era" while looking unbreakable, either in stretches or in great careers. Pedro, Randy Johnson, Clemons, Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, Schiling. Competitors just find a way to rise to the top. At his peek, none were better than Pedro.
I was lucky enough to see him pitch for the Red Sox from 1998 to 2004. He was, without a doubt, one of the best pitchers ever. Tommy Lasorda was an idiot for trading him. But I'm sure glad he did. Then the Sox got him for Carl Pavano and Tony Armas Jr.? That was a steal.
My dad always gets mad when I mention Pedro “throwing” don zimmer to the ground because my dad is a lifelong die hard Red Sox fan and he always says “Pedro did not throw Don Zimmer to the ground Don charged him like he wanted to kill Pedro so Pedro did the only thing he could possibly do lead Don Zimmer to the ground end of story!!!”
Yankee fan. I agree 1000%. He faced down the steroid era and dominated. He’s the best. Only knock was he had trouble going long. But at his best or near his best, he was the best ever.
Dude, I really love your videos and the info and the research you go into, but you have to work on your speaking cadence. It’s the same pattern every sentence and it gets kinda grating 4 minutes in. I’m not trying to be mean, but I wanted to put my two cents in
Great pitcher but I put Greg Maddux over Pedro. However, you could say that it will never be another pitcher from our generation (depending on how young are you). MLB doesn't want types like Greg Maddux. They want homers. They wants to attract new fans and keep fans. Pitching doesn't really make the game fun to watch unless you're like me and love pitching performances. Watching Maddux pitch was always fun.
Bro you gotta start speaking normally. Ending every sentence with an upward inflection and emphasizing THREE or FOUR words in every SENTENCE is just grating to listen to. Which is a shame, because otherwise the content is great.
CORRECTION on Jeff Bagwell. He is in the Hall of Fame. I'm curious why you said he wasn't. Bagwell was not in the Mitchell Report and wasn't tied to roids.
@laartwork So because one player said it? It must be true? As if Frank himself was never accused. He never called Bagwell by name, just some under the breath comments. No players or documented links have ever connected Bagwell to juice.
One interesting story from Pedro's book accuses Jeff Wilpon (son of Mets owner, Fred Wilpon) of forcing Pedro to pitch through an injury at the end of the 05 season (An injury the team wanted to shut him down for the year for) so the team could capitalize on ticket sales for a Pedro VS Dontrelle Willis pitching match up. Just further proof that the Wilpons are probably the most inept big market owners in sports history.
Unsolicited conspiracy theory: The 2000 New York Yankees purposely tanked down the stretch (13-18 in Sept/Oct) in order to keep the Red Sox out of the playoffs, since they knew if they faced them they’d have to face Pedro twice, which effectively meant 2 automatic losses for them.
Only a few guys have changed the game on the mound and Pedro was one of them. Along with Koufax, Ryan and Johnson. The Mount Rushmore of influential pitchers
I’d replace Johnson and Koufax with Gibson and Satchel. Gibson led the charge to rule changes and was the first truly great black MLB pitcher and what Satchel did for the negro leagues is unmatched
I don't see how Greg Maddux isn't on the Pitcher Mount Rushmore. You pretty much just created the "Mount Rushmore of Power Pitchers". I'd 100% drop Ryan, he only has a single insane season (And even that was "only" 195 ERA+) and ultimately while Koufax walked so Ryan could run so Johnson could fly, they are all extremely similar pitchers and Ryan was the least ridiculous of them. Which is of course not to insult him, you have to say shit like that if talking about some hypothetical "Top 4 of all time". He was big, but not Mount Rushmore big. Even if we are just talking about influential and not greatness, again, they are all the same comp. Maddux had the longevity you want PLUS he had his '94-'95, which were comparable to Martinez's '99-'00. ...eh, then again, trying to reduce to 4 feels just too overwhelming. Like, do you include Walter Johnson? He was obviously deadball and yet he STILL had an insane 4 seasons of over 200 ERA+, and he also had the longevity. Do you include Cy Young? The game was utterly different back then and yet he was so influential his name is on the award. It's kind of an exercise in futility and just designed for arguments lol
i don't know that the 90s really were "dominated by hitters" across the board. there were some VERY good pitchers through the 90s and early 2000s. some of the best pitchers in history played during this era. if you list the best 20 pitchers of all time, there are AT least 3 guys from the 90s who make that list. 130+ years of baseball and arguably 3 (or 5!) of the best pitchers EVER played in an era where hitters "dominated."
As a lifelong diehard Dominican Yankee fan who spent his summers at Yankee Stadium it was amazing to see him pitch
you are so lucky!
Pedro's not just one of the best pitchers ever, I absolutely love him as a baseball personality and broadcaster/studio guy.
You think he is good as an analyst? I've always thought he knows the absolute least ball out of everyone every single time he is on a panel. His takes are always awful and with no understanding of the modern game. He was an all time pitcher, but I don't respect his baseball brain much.
lol
Anybody who watched Pedro at his peak, and leading up to his peak KNEW he was different. I started following him in '97, watched him beat Maddux for the Cy in '97, and jumped for joy when he was traded to the Red Sox for the '98 season. He was the reason the Red Sox experienced a spike in popularity and it is a shame they couldn't win a couple more WS during his reign as the top pitcher in baseball. There was nothing like a Pedro day at Fenway.
So true. Every time he pitched, it was an EVENT. Make sure you get your ass to a TV at 7:05. Pedro's on the hill today. He might throw a no hitter or strike out 18 guys or something like that every time out.
@@chrish2112 I'd drop whatever I was doing just so I can watch make guys' knees buckle
How bout that 99 all star game at Fenway? FILTHY!!
@@headbanginmetalhead6786 That was amazing! Baseball fans never saw anything like that before and or after.
Im not a Sox fan but don zimmer went looking for a fight and got it. I ain’t gonna blame Pedro for it.
That’s how I always felt about it. Pedro didn’t even whip him. He just rolled him out of the way. Old man shouldn’t have gone after him.
As a Yankees fan I felt so disappointed in Don Zimmer, atleast he apologized LIVE the next day to everybody so good on him.
But I never blamed Pedro, just throwing him to the ground and just exiting himself out of that fight before it escalated to fist fighting was the only option he really had there.
Agreed.
@@ThumbsUpMikerealizing you’re not a spring chicken live on tv has to be a uniquely humbling experience.
agree
I became a baseball fan (Dodgers fan) in 97 and when I was 9 going to 10, I saw this man every now and then when we could saw a few of his games pitched and those 99 and 00 season with the other stuff happening, some legendary shit 💯💯
One of my favorites players. Almighty Pedro
He pitched in Boston and hitters park with Roided up hitters . No team player could hit Pedro. One of the best of all time. He was like Maddux but through 100Mph
Because he was a roided pitcher himself.
@@Joseph-lz5eryou see how skinny he was lmao 🤣
@@Juan-it4mx Neither was Lance Armstrong and all the cyclists who got caught using steroids. Also, Dee Gordon, a pencil-thin player, also got caught. Don't be so naive and believe everything you see LMAO
@@Juan-it4mxthats not how steroids work 🤣
@@Joseph-lz5er you're conflating steroids and PEDs
Been watching mlb since the 90s. Pedro was nearly invincible in his prime. 90s/early 2000s had the greatest HOF pitchers ever
Pedro had some special fastball movement...that thing never ran straight and never ran the same way twice. He was unfair.
One of the greatest pitchers in the hirstory of the game. A bulldog and gamer on the mound. 95-98 heater, a filthy slider and a devastaing changeup to fool you off that heater. Amazing.
Probably the best right handed pitcher I’ve ever seen in person. He was dominant.
Personally I always find it wild whenever people talk about "short athletes" because almost always the players are above average in terms of height overall, just short when compared to other athletes. The only "short athlete" in baseball that I can think of who I'd call actually short is Jose Altuve
You ever notice this dude finishes every single sentence with an upward inflection? I cant stop hearing it
Lmao yeah I can’t not hear it
Yeah I had to stop watching halfway through because it was so annoying
So fucking annoying, can’t even follow along with the info.
agree. so annoying
I stopped watching after 3 minutes
2000 Pedro was insane !! It was a joy to watch the game on TV and enjoying his performance.
Best baseball TH-cam docuseries!!
As a Red Sox fan, I didn’t watch Pedro until 2004, and he was great. I can imagine if Brayan Bello could become the next Pedro Martinez, since he’s getting pointers by the man himself
As a Sox fan who watched both Bello will never even sniff Pedro status. Bello looks promising, but Pedro is a generational talent.
@@graham5990 bello doesn't have the cojones pedro had..... pedro wasn't scare of anybody. today pitchers are scare to throw in
PEDRO!? Merry Christmas to us! Thanks for the video👍👍
Martinez beating the old manager up…priceless
I'll never forget watching Pedro in 99 and 00 seeing these roided up hitters just looking absolutely foolish and helpless.
He was basically invincible those years.
He really was. Great to watch
That's because he was roided pitcher himself. Anyone who thinks a skinny Pedro was doing it all naturally while his fellow countrymen were raking in millions of dollars while juicing is foolish to believe he was actually clean.
@@Joseph-lz5erthen how exactly did he go about staying super clean his whole career in regards to the media when every other player who juiced had multiple sources come out either proving or alleging they were juicing?
@@Joseph-lz5eralso if he was juicing then how do you explain the countless injuries and lack of physical changes including his pitch speed? Was he juicing all the way back to when he started when he was broke asf? Was he taking horrible roids that didn’t enhance his durability like every other juicer?
I don’t think Pedro juiced man lol
I’m a die hard Yankees fan, but I have huge respect for Pedro. He was a dominant killer on the mound.
Thanks for the video!!😊😊
foolish baseball says he pitched the best season in baseball history twice
Foolish geek is a bum
@@LumpyNutzwho’s foolish geek?
Cause he did. No one has ever pitched better. He was so good, during steroids. The best.
@@LumpyNutz- ☝️🤓
@@kenw2225Bobby’s year of the pitcher is probably better than his 1999, but 2000 is untouchable
To put a visual on how popular he was, Pedro Martinez made his Phillies debut on August 12th 2009. At the time, if you went to Citizens Bank Park you'd notice the most popular "shir-sey's at the time belonged to Chase Utley, Ryan Howard, and Jimmy Rollins. And outside of maybe Carlos Ruiz, it wasn't even close. I was at his Phillies home debut and there were a few Martinez jerseys here and there. Later in the month, I went to his second Phillies home start and by that point, Pedro Martinez "shir-seys" had taken the top spot over the aforementioned 3......AND IT WASN'T EVEN CLOSE!!! I'm absolutely grateful that I had the opportunity to watch him pitch in person. Even in his final season, Pedro was an absolute thrill and wonder to watch.
My favorite player ever!
he takes the first spot in my all time rotation!
Pedro & Randy Johnson were pitchers who made hitters think twice. As a Red Sox fan, the time Pedro pitched were our salad days in baseball. Boy, this time was glorious..
Pedros repertoire of pitches was special to watch
“Small stature at just 5’11” and 170 pounds”
If that’s small then I’m microscopic.
Pedro might hit 5'11" if you measure him with his shoes on.
That’s small by the standards of a lot of MLB pitchers.
of course you are, compared to the average mlb pitcher
Pedro 2000 is the best season a pitcher has ever had and it's not even close. His ERA was less than half of the next best guy in the league. I don't know what more needs to be said.
I was born in 83 so this time period was my wheelhouse for baseball. The best pitching Ive seen in my years watching was the 99 and 00 seasons from Pedro. He was borderline actually unhittable. He had such mound presence too. I wish Yordan Ventura (rip) was still around, he was the closest to Pedro. Obviously not as good of stuff, but similar size and attitude.
Pedro was one of one
Cleveland made some great timed trades to drop players starting to decline (Baerga for Vizcaino and especially Jeff Kent), but they could never quite pull the trigger to get the top of the line starters available (Pedro and Randy Johnson just from the Expos). They did fleece Montreal for Grady Sizemore (would have been a great without unfortunate injuries) and Cliff Lee for Colon....but adding either Pedro or Randy to that 90s team likely would have put them over the top to a World Series win. All respect to them, but the Tribe's pitchers were Dennis Martinez, Orel Hershisher (feisty vets but not dominant), Charles Nagy, (solid) and Chad Ogea (those are the ones I remember and not digging too deep). They did try with Jack McDowell, but he was on the downslope and wouldn't pan out. What putting even Pedro into that lineup (considering Randy was still considered risky/wild even a few years after he went to Seattle - thanks to Nolan Ryan for his advice) would have been impressive.
No real hate on the Cleveland front office as they hit more than they missed, and they wouldn't include Jaret Wright in the deal. The seeds of that John Hart front office, and basically the start of analytics, have definitely served the team with an extremely low payroll quite well.
Just this year, for instance:
Guardians: $1,897,960 per win
Yankees: $5,686,946 per win
Of course I'd like them to have more money to spend, but they don't and so over the last 30 years they have had to work smarter than teams with higher payrolls just out of necessity.
i'm glad people are finally making videos about Pedro. The man's stats during those 7 prime years were absolutely insane.
Pedro el grande 🙌
I love how Pedro gets an automatic pass because he wasn't a muscle head. Keep in mind who his teammates were in Boston and they all got a pass because the mlb loved the story tale of the Redsox back then
He apparently was on that 2003 list of positive test. Just like 5 other players from that 2004 WS team. While it's an unconfirmed list he should definitely be looked at with more scrutiny.
Good first minute. Nice intro.
Easily my favorite player of all time if not only for his approach and attitude.
My all time favorite player and the best pitcher I've ever watched. He dominated everybody during the height of the steroid and live ball era. They all walked away shaking their heads.
My first baseball game ever was watching his brother Ramon Martinez pitch. He also hit a homerum.
Ramon Martinez pitched a no hitter that season.
It's remarkable how many dominant starters, some of the best ever, pitched through the "steroid era" while looking unbreakable, either in stretches or in great careers. Pedro, Randy Johnson, Clemons, Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, Schiling. Competitors just find a way to rise to the top. At his peek, none were better than Pedro.
My Man Pedro
I was lucky enough to see him pitch for the Red Sox from 1998 to 2004. He was, without a doubt, one of the best pitchers ever. Tommy Lasorda was an idiot for trading him. But I'm sure glad he did. Then the Sox got him for Carl Pavano and Tony Armas Jr.? That was a steal.
A true master
Best pitcher ever
I needed this after watching the Sox get outspent 1000:1 by the dodgers this offseason (so far)
Just Another Yankees Type Overspending Road To Failure For Years To Come.
Sounds he is back with the Dodgers as Yoshinobu Yamamoto. Same size and throws in the high 90s.
Thank God!
My dad always gets mad when I mention Pedro “throwing” don zimmer to the ground because my dad is a lifelong die hard Red Sox fan and he always says “Pedro did not throw Don Zimmer to the ground Don charged him like he wanted to kill Pedro so Pedro did the only thing he could possibly do lead Don Zimmer to the ground end of story!!!”
Lmao as if him being "lead to the ground" would be any less embarrassing. Sounds like some salty stuff my dad would say xD I love it.
Barry Bonds was insane on the pirates
Pedro is/ was a god growing up in Boston. I got to see him a few times and met in my neighborhood once.
That pitch to Jeter was filthy
The last time you said "Señor Plunk" I swear you said Señor Plump. Which is a more fitting title for him in his post-playing career.
You put too much emphasis on the last word of every sentence. Can't listen anymore.
I remember throwing a three pitch inning as a 12 year old
Yankee fan. I agree 1000%. He faced down the steroid era and dominated. He’s the best. Only knock was he had trouble going long. But at his best or near his best, he was the best ever.
Pedro was so good people don't even use him as a comparison. Nobody is the next Pedro.
Pedro el grande
Goat!!
Dude, I really love your videos and the info and the research you go into, but you have to work on your speaking cadence. It’s the same pattern every sentence and it gets kinda grating 4 minutes in. I’m not trying to be mean, but I wanted to put my two cents in
For TH-cam this is shockingly nice and constructive criticism haha. The cadence is definitely grating at times.
Pedro the 🐐
He pitched the best season ever in 99, then he did it again in 2000
Would love to see a video on Pudge Rodriguez or Johnny Bench 2 of the best catchers of all time
I still get irrationally angry thinking about Grady Little leaving Pedro in that game
🔥🔥🔥
Great pitcher but I put Greg Maddux over Pedro. However, you could say that it will never be another pitcher from our generation (depending on how young are you). MLB doesn't want types like Greg Maddux. They want homers. They wants to attract new fans and keep fans. Pitching doesn't really make the game fun to watch unless you're like me and love pitching performances. Watching Maddux pitch was always fun.
Hitters are way better than ever before though. Peak Greg Maddux wouldn't even be a star in today's MLB...
Stop your inflection on the last word of every sentence. It's incredibly annoying.
Bro you gotta start speaking normally. Ending every sentence with an upward inflection and emphasizing THREE or FOUR words in every SENTENCE is just grating to listen to.
Which is a shame, because otherwise the content is great.
Zimmer shouldn’t have run at a world class athlete thinking he was going to take him down. #haditcoming
CORRECTION on Jeff Bagwell. He is in the Hall of Fame. I'm curious why you said he wasn't. Bagwell was not in the Mitchell Report and wasn't tied to roids.
Frank Thomas says Bagwell was on roids and was upset about his induction.
@laartwork So because one player said it? It must be true? As if Frank himself was never accused. He never called Bagwell by name, just some under the breath comments. No players or documented links have ever connected Bagwell to juice.
To be fair, Larkin had never had s hint of PED to my knowledge
I love video where water is everywhere and he is on mound asking for baseball.
Watching Pedro, the word that would come to mind is “electric.” The same feeling you got watching Tiger Woods or Michael Jordan.
I would associate electric more with the likes of Randy orton. Just as qualified 😂
Please change up your cadence my guy.
"Struck out a SLEU of roidheads" 🤣
"There Will Never Be Another Pedro Martinez."
There were two at the time. lol. But I know what you mean.
Pedro was the most dominant pitcher in history.
Link to baileys vid in ur description pls
Going to start disliking every video until you stop ending every sentence on a high note. You ain’t Taylor Swift.
I can't stand Taylor Swift
One interesting story from Pedro's book accuses Jeff Wilpon (son of Mets owner, Fred Wilpon) of forcing Pedro to pitch through an injury at the end of the 05 season (An injury the team wanted to shut him down for the year for) so the team could capitalize on ticket sales for a Pedro VS Dontrelle Willis pitching match up.
Just further proof that the Wilpons are probably the most inept big market owners in sports history.
Pedro was dominant until pitch 100.
Unsolicited conspiracy theory:
The 2000 New York Yankees purposely tanked down the stretch (13-18 in Sept/Oct) in order to keep the Red Sox out of the playoffs, since they knew if they faced them they’d have to face Pedro twice, which effectively meant 2 automatic losses for them.
Does this include Cold Weather Pedro?
Only a few guys have changed the game on the mound and Pedro was one of them. Along with Koufax, Ryan and Johnson. The Mount Rushmore of influential pitchers
I’d replace Johnson and Koufax with Gibson and Satchel. Gibson led the charge to rule changes and was the first truly great black MLB pitcher and what Satchel did for the negro leagues is unmatched
I don't see how Greg Maddux isn't on the Pitcher Mount Rushmore. You pretty much just created the "Mount Rushmore of Power Pitchers". I'd 100% drop Ryan, he only has a single insane season (And even that was "only" 195 ERA+) and ultimately while Koufax walked so Ryan could run so Johnson could fly, they are all extremely similar pitchers and Ryan was the least ridiculous of them. Which is of course not to insult him, you have to say shit like that if talking about some hypothetical "Top 4 of all time". He was big, but not Mount Rushmore big. Even if we are just talking about influential and not greatness, again, they are all the same comp. Maddux had the longevity you want PLUS he had his '94-'95, which were comparable to Martinez's '99-'00.
...eh, then again, trying to reduce to 4 feels just too overwhelming. Like, do you include Walter Johnson? He was obviously deadball and yet he STILL had an insane 4 seasons of over 200 ERA+, and he also had the longevity. Do you include Cy Young? The game was utterly different back then and yet he was so influential his name is on the award. It's kind of an exercise in futility and just designed for arguments lol
Wonder if the Dodgers and Expos regret trading this kind of Ace pitcher.
Us Dodger fans are still bummed about losing Pedro.😢
The fact that he dominated these roid guys is baffling
He was just that guy
i don't know that the 90s really were "dominated by hitters" across the board. there were some VERY good pitchers through the 90s and early 2000s. some of the best pitchers in history played during this era. if you list the best 20 pitchers of all time, there are AT least 3 guys from the 90s who make that list. 130+ years of baseball and arguably 3 (or 5!) of the best pitchers EVER played in an era where hitters "dominated."
Hey dude what happened to all your highlight videos of players home runs, strikeouts, brawls, etc etc. Did MLB axe your vids?
When I think of the best pitchers ever only two names come to mind. Nolan Ryan and Pedro Martinez.
The best ever IMHO? Pedro...
the zimmer incident wasnt in the alcs
i remember when he threw old man zimmer to the ground. it was shocking to watch
best pitcher NA
Lowest Whip ever in a season during the steroid era is always gonna be insane .737.
Wtf did you mention Larry Walker for? He is in the HOF already.
What is with the inflection on the last word of every SENtence?
Does anyone actually believe Pedro didn’t use steroids?
Like, are people so stupid that they think only Roger Clemens juiced?
Why do you say that please?
@@TiagoGomez-hb9te because everyone was on gear back then.
@@neilzientekProbably. But it’s one thing to cheat and get caught, and Pedro never got caught.
Your retention rate will go up if you get a better mic
and talk normally
6:35 .. ps: Larry Walker 'is' a HOFer :)
Imagine being the guy who traded Pedro Martinez away
there's a pedro martinez jr. shows what you know!