It's finally here! The Sinden Light Gun - but does it deliver?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2024
- It's finally here in The Cave, the light gun that promises to end all of our problems. Light gun games are a special gaming genre. I've always been a huge fan of them, especially light gun arcade games like Time Crisis, Mad Dog McCree and Point Blank. Light gun signals from classic devices which require a CRT are not compatible with modern displays and solutions such as the Aimtrak Light Gun just haven't felt up to the job of delivering an arcade perfect light gun experience. In my Sinden Lightgun review today we find out it works as well as the prototype we first saw in 2019 on a range of arcade emulators including American Laserdiscs classic shooting games.
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Question! What about using it on retro systems? they show 2 vids of it working on PSX/2 with a Pi mod. Are you going to set that up and how does it work? I want this with my PS2 so bad!
@@zombiekilldemon I understand some people have created an intermediary device with the Sinden and the Pi to make it work on old systems but it doesn't natively support it. On a PS2 the ideal would be a Gcon and a Sony wide-screen CRT. A nice 24"
@@RMCRetro yeah i understand. I really wanted it for my Backwards PS3 so i could play Time Crisis 2 straight off the disk in HD. I currently have the EMS Topgun 3 that works with it and functions like a wii mote but i cant find a second and wanted this for 2 player.
Cheers Neil , just want to take this opportunity again to say , really love your RMC channel mate, your a man after my own heart . keep up the good work , hope one day to visit the Cave in the future.
Just wanted to pop in and suggest you use a rear-projection screen and mount the projector from behind in mirrored/reversed display mode. That way anyone could walk in front or stand at any angle without blocking or interfering with the image itself.
As for the mister drivers, It's awesome to hear that the Sinden gun is likely going to end up with the level of support and community appreciation it deserves!
God, this makes me want to open up an arcade in my garage. Light gun games deserve a comeback.
It's a mouse input you say? That could make for some interesting zoom meetings. "Why are you shooting at me with your toy gun?" In my head, "Bang! You're muted!"
I can just see the HR meetings. "I'm sorry you feel that way Mr. Jones, but "Eat Photons MuthaFuckah!!!" is not regarded as an acceptable way to end a meeting."
Jeffery Toobin! Say goodbye to your Toobin! *bang*
hahahahahaaaa
Developer of Singe here - thanks for the mention!
Thanks for your hard work on such a great emulator!
Thanks Scott I've been having a lot of fun with Singe!
@@RMCRetro Wait till you see what is coming next!
As someone who has had to deal with the pain of aimtrak guns, I’m stoked for these!
Just finished TC2 and 3 on one. Apart from having to stay still, what was the problem?
@@DrFelix125 I use mines with a projector, so setting up the sensor isn't the most convenient thing to do.
The pain of setting this up for teknoparrot games is real.
Such a long time to get everything configured...
Got my two non-recoil guns from the Kickstarter back in November, love them. Plus my kids (who have no interest in all of the rest of Dad's moldy old videogames from the 20th century) love using them.
Good to hear these positive reviews. They are pricey, but will be worth it if they do what they are supposed to.
have you been playing virtua cop? i loved that game so much
Thanks for clarifyig they were non-recoil - useful tidbit
@@gordons-alive4940 They don't.
i got me 2 recoil guns it is great
JUST GOT MINE TO MY SURPRISE! CAN'T WAIT TO SET IT UP
Congratulations! Let us know how it goes!
Trying to shoot the undertaker in Mad Dog McCree has the same energy as trying to shoot the dog in Duck Hunt
Did you know....you CAN shoot the dog in the VS Duck Hunt arcade I was playing there?
@@RMCRetro Is that the arcade version of duck hunt?
@@riggel8804 After 6 months I give you a answer, yes, arcade has this game :).
The first thing to came to mind when you mentioned the option for a machinegun mode on the recoil, was Terminator 2 the arcade game. Much like Operation Wolf it was not a light gun game in the proper sense, but instead used a pair of guns mounted to "joysticks". But the sound and feel of those guns while rattling away at T-800s and whatsnot instantly leapt to mind.
You are so damn right. Sometime my weekend will just be setting up the games/ emulator, getting automation ready, linking up the respective controllers, trouble shooting etc and not playing any games.
Such an excruciating wait but I'm so pleased to see this succeed. Looking forward to receiving my recoil units
Still waiting after ordered in October! My batch is due this week, did you get yours yet?
@@clobbyhardy yeah took about a year. They're a long way from plug and play but once set up they are very good.
I've ordered one last year. Just waiting impatiently.
And i ordered mine 3 months ago...
Sounds like i might not be getting it for Christmas. :(
just ordered mine,hope i get it quick.good luck andy .your a legend
Looks great, looking forward to getting mine sometime in the next twelve years.
That video thumbnail is utterly mesmerising.
I may have applied some Photoshop neural face filtering for "Anger". Are you scared?
@@RMCRetro you definitely need more thumbnails with CRAAAZZYY facial expressions!!
Imagine living in 2021 and being an amputee gamer. You might have a missing leg, but now you get to 3d print Robocop leg, complete with pop-out gun holder and have a working light gun. Amazing.
NGL that would be soo badass
I would still rather have a second leg. Any amputee thinking that way has to be very desperate to find silver linings in their situation. Phantom limb pain can also be a problem. The chemist that discovered methoxetamine (the outlawed ketamine-like substance) was doing to in order to treat his own issues of feeling pain in a "limb" that was actually amputated. I can't even imagine a worse syndrome.
@@squirlmy... I'm not sure this comment warrented quite such a serious response... Interesting but a little bit out of place.
@@squirlmy well, many amputees online regularly enjoy discussing their prosthetic limbs, in a manner much as you might for a car or a bike. It sounds as if you’ve mostly read medical information rather than observed how people tend to live with it? Absolutely, within the sub-community which already call themselves cyborgs, someone had thought about doing Robocop cosplay with theirs if not actually done one. Electronic prosthetic limbs are often a lot more compact than the ones they’re replacing, so adding a shell that holds the Robocop stuff would not be hard at all.
I have 2 recoil ones on order. Very excited.
I think the setup complications are necessary to actually cover almost every type of conceivable option out there. Well done to the development team. Excellent product.
I'm inclined to agree! It's nice to have that control
Looks really nice. There is no such thing as having too many settings to play with. I’m glad to hear that there are good tuning tools available.
It's so satisfying to finally see a promised project living up to the claims.
It fell pretty short for me.
Absolutly not plug and play. Very difficult to setup. At least for me. Zero customer support. I recieved two recoil guns about 10 months ago and spent hours trying to get them to work. Never did. I decided to wait and see if the software was updated . I think it may be a bit easier now but I don't have the energy or time to see if things have changed for the better.
Pretty cool, I still have a few big CRT's that work well, when they eventually run out of parts this may be a good option. Fine work Sinden.
"Take care everyone.", he says as he shoots the viewer! 😄 Great video! Can't wait to get one of these!
In the vein of 'take care of him...' ;)
I used to play light gun games then I was shot in the knee
I could imagine doing an interactive Powerpoint presentation with this thing.
Nice! I just received my notification from the Royal Mail that my order has shipped yesterday.
love to see the final product working so well - hope my two Sinden Lightguns will be shipped soon as I am really looking forward to set them up on my arcade machine :)
The pushbacks on delivery are excruciating.
looks like a winner! MiSTer compatibility is being looked into also. will be nice to have an alternative to CRT's for light guns! this seems like the closest its come.
Neil, this may be the beer talking but, youre a god damn treasure
William, this may be the treasure talking, but youre a god damn beer
@@kai990 lol
So happy to be an earlyish backer of this. So excited. Come on Sinden :)
Thanks for this introduction. My last foray into lightguns was some custom built aimtraks - so interested to hear about these. A UK innovation too! Bonus.
I have a light gun for my C64, Master System, Mega Drive, Saturn, Ps1, Dreamcast, PS2 + those Guns for the Wii & PS3 so i'm sorted tbh but this would certainly be on my wish list if i did retro gaming through a PC.
Man, I was so hyped to get one of these for so long. And then the Kickstarter happened, and I saw the price. lol
Worth every penny and not a fraction of what I spent on point blank, mad dog mccree and time crisis in the 90s.
@@hopkinsmiler I'm sure it is, I just don't have $600 for 2 guns lol. My max was $150CAD per gun. IIRC they were like $300CAD per gun on the Kickstarter
@@wardrich not watched fully yet but if it has recoil then probably reason for the price
@@TheStevenWhiting It does, and it sounds real good lol
I agree on both ends. Small company. R&d. But this is very niche. And well the amount of configuring in their app and mame/every emulator (teknoprrot) is just as much as dolphinbar, Wii mote, and a nice shell.
I just can’t justify 600. When I have 2 awesome gun shells that have recoil for Wiimotes. At 300 for 2 guns. I would do it.
House of the dead was really awesome on the Saturn and arcade. So I’d recommend that one.
I have 2 of them coming, can't wait to try it on the Arcade !!!😁
thanks for showing some more awesome light gun games for my collection
Mark was pleasantly surprised by the weight and feel of Neil's barrel, as he gave it a firm squeeze.
Cheeky
@@RMCRetro It's mark Fixes Stuff's fault I swear. Every time I watch his videos, I'm compelled to make an innuendo. It's like Pavolv's dog, but with ZX Spectrums.
Ok, Now Sinden make these plug and play for the New Switch House of the Dead game !!!
You gotta get Area 51, and the sequel... Also, look up how to enter the "alien mode".
Looks amazing, had a strong feeling it would be when I saw it back in 2019.
I backed the project when you first featured it and had mine a fair while ago it worked absolutely brilliantly with my home made bar top arcade ..unfortunately due to a serious loss of income due the horrid corona virus I had to sell both on Ebay ...it was the only Sinden gun on eBay at the time ..If any of you were the buyer I hope you enjoyed it.....seems like my income is gonna take another knock at the end of the month ..redundancies coming.. :( so I'll not be making another arcade system or getting anther Sinden gun any time soon :( ... c'est la vie.
Excellent video Neil! As always.
150€ for the recoil version isn't actually so bad, what I thought... Maybe in the future, but not right now... Very nice, indeed!
Simple yet amazing how the gun / software uses an outer border to determine the onscreen positioning - nice tech for sure.
I was SUPER worried about this video when I clicked on it. Waiting on mine that should get to me in the next month or so. SO happy it works as good as the last video & you're right I LOVE to tinker & will mostly keep it on the same monitor for a long time. The projector working is just icing on the cake really. Thank you for the video and in depth review.
I think it might be cool if there was an option where you can buy it and it comes with a console, with pre loaded configuration and all the classic gun games built in. I would probably definitely buy one then.
Unfortunately, due to copyright laws and the like, this is very unlikely to ever be done legally.
Just put an order in for one with the recoil upgrade. Thanks for the review!
That looks really cool and will be a part of my setup once I get it completed. I have a challenge for you, though. There was an arcade game from 1986 called Night Stocker. It was a combination driving and light gun shooting game. It was an interesting challenge to control both the wheel and the gun at the same time and I'd like to see if you could get a decent combination working using that light gun and a wheel of your choice.
It would be easy enough. Figuring out what buttons were needed for the driving portion and setting up a wheel and pedals with it
A nice option for modern screens, although the point blank section looked a bit laggy - i have the original arcade with regular light guns and it looked like a slow response to me in your clip
I’m genuinely scared of lag on this expensive toy.
Just bought on your recommendation. I hesitated due to it being a crowd funded thing and crowd-funded hardware is extremely difficult to deliver, but if you say its good it will 100% be worth it I am sure :) 👍👍
Amazing video mate! Just been playing a lot of light games again. Watched this with great interest and smiles on ma face 🏴😎👍
I just saw a bit of this video on Linus Tech Tips! And they credited seeing it here first with a description link... Nice work dude!
Cheers Pete!
I got mine in Australia last year. I went straight to the Kickstarter after watching your last video with Andy. Andy should have looked after you, Linus Tech Tips had one last year.
Now I'll make a modular version, with a scope and rifle barrel and support for Silent Scope.
Do wonder how close to the Super Scope we can get before Nintendo sends lawyers...
Silent Scope was position based, I think. Not a true light gun. I don't think it would work with MAME.
@@digiowl9599 Nintendont lawyer's That's ilegal!! Reeeeeeeeeee!!
That would be hard I think, since Silent Scope's gun is not even a light gun IIRC. It's an analog gun with a tiny screen as a scope.
@@ZX3000GT1
Correct, silent scope is not a light gun.
But seeing as this emulates a mouse, which provides high accuracy X and Y floating point input, this 'light gun' is much closer to what Silent Scope needs today Duck Hunt
Mad Dog McCree, the nostalgia. 😊
Just picked up a pair, and I cant wait to play Carnevil!
I love lightgun games but playing on mouse/controller just doesnt live up at all.
At first I was worried that the Recoil would just be like a controller rumble, but I'm glad to hear thats it heftier than that.
I received my Sinden Lightgun today!!
Hurrah!
Amazing stuff! Need this asap for my man cave 👍👍😎
Great video. Loved Mad Dog. Buying thism
Gonna have to get this to add my the M.A.M.E. arcade I built for my kids... Light gun games are some of our favorites... We still pop in Gunblade N.Y./ L.A. Machine-gun on Wii, and the House of the Dead games once in a while...
Still waiting on mine but hopefully this month. I picked the exact same model and colour you did and I'm looking forward to playing all the lightgun games I could never afford to buy. Glad I lived long enough to see a second renaissance of lightgun gaming.
Great review of what appears to be a fantastic product.
I'm waiting on mine. Hopefully any day now. The first game I'll be playing is Time Crisis and then House of the Dead 2.
I used to play the crap out of the Virtua Cop 2 demo back in the day.
What we see here is Operation Wolf heaven. Fantastic!
This does definitely look like a decent product. Those set up issues will put off the casual gamer that wants to play Time Crisis on their Playstation though. Good job there are plenty of us that like to sit and tweak options all day though. Great video Neil.
If only they could solve the cack hand issue.
Maybe a version for us lefties.
Us lefties always get left out its sidist that's what it is.
Ah a fellow southpaw.
@@cemsengul16 Yep and proud of it. Where actually pretty rare.
@@silents9074 We are rare people!
I don’t understand if this is a jest or if it’s supposedly somehow worse for use with the left hand. 🤨
Haha well done on the outro!
Pop!
Looks great. My only gripe is the white border, especially in a cab setup.
It was completely plug and play for me. I didn't tweak a single option in config screen, defaults all the way. 65" Samsung flat TV. Just push the border button twice to get the default 4:3 border. MAME and Sega Model 1 emulators work a charm.
That good to hear, mine are coming in next week! I can't wait!
i remember in 2001 i bought vampire night for PS2 w/Guncon. It played great on my huge Sony crt tv, but i was very disappointed later when it did not work with LCD type tvs. And i understand why it doesnt work. So maybe this will be a solution down the road. I miss playing until my trigger finger just doesnt work anymore. Lol
I remember my finger would cramp up and my arm was sore at the arcade when I was playing a long time, good times.
A review on how it fares on RPI would be appreciated
Agreed I'd like to set that up for a test of its own and also the MiSTer when the drivers are ready.
Hi there, I make the unofficial RPI image for use with the gun. You can check out some video on my channel but I'm not a youtuber and recorded the footage on my phone
This really shows off your new setup very well.
Massive light gun game fan so this is very interesting 👍
I don't know about the UK, but the orange tips are required by law in the US. To be honest, it's a lot more likely that someone, especially a minor, with a fake gun would "accidentally" get shot here. It's happened before. This may be the one area the US has more restrictive "gun laws" than other countries. lol Actually, I suppose anyone can do what they want after purchasing, but no sales are allowed without it.
It's definitely in the rules here too. Toy guns have been sold with orange tips as long as I can remember - in fact I think now they even have to be entirely coloured some psychadelic colour so there's no possibility of mistaking one.
Had a light gun on the PS one it was awesome! I could have the experience again, even with more
games but you have to have a credit card to buy the gun :(. May 2021 comes the next batch :).
I still want a solid solution for the original consoles
Sinden does support PSX, PS2 and DC using raspberry as bridge device, with more supported systems coming. It's hard to set up, but anyone interested should be able to deal with it.
A nice review Neil, I personally don't use these things but for anyone else it looks pretty good. I noticed that you had an early start in the cave it must be quite cool to be in your new place and exciting times too. Thumbs up all round.
Light gun games was the main reason I game on a crt. I’ll continue to do so until my equipment fails but it’s great to finally have a viable option for light gun games in an lcd/oled. I know arcade 1up are going to be using sinden light guns so this’ll be great for the home arcade scene.
Big buck hunter uses his Sinden technology, that so cool to think about that! He is making a big impact on the scene.
I'll probably be purchasing one of these _(non-recoil)_ later this year and if I'm happy with its performance. I'll purchase a second recoil version. They will be a great addition towards my collection of local coop games. Since I'm not interested in online gaming as much any more. I prefer a nice selection of 2-4 local multiplayer games that can be played with friends while having a few beers. No long game setups and no long games. Can pause or quit at any moment.
Just how gaming should be!
Liked and subscribed this is the first video i saw on the channel but is exactly what i wanted cheers.
Welcome to The Cave!
Great gun and nice review. I agreed with Mark but taking a look at some old arcade machines they had the same design so better to play with a single hand, a skill to be developed in itself.
Imagine these things having analog sticks so you can play first and third person shooters and light gun games.
Looks great on the projector.
Wish I still had mine.
Hopefully this means mine will be arriving very soon as I have two on order with the recoil. Thanks for the setup tips and looking forward to playing
Great update, thanks Neil. Is there a plan to make a wireless version? The lithium battery could be mounted in the hand grip. Would also be nice to see the addition of a foot pedal to allow you to duck in games such as time crisis.
Andy says he wants to finish the current fulfillment and project before a wireless model. It would be fun to try out. Emulators can map anything to a button in most instances so you could use anything from a custom made pedal to a keyboard you're stepping on the space-bar with to be a pedal (not recommended) that doesn't have to be specific to the Sinden
If you have a PC DDR pad, that would make a great pedal
One of my treasured gaming memories was playing Point Blank one christmas with my cousin on the PS1. We went down to the local video shop and rented a second gun so we could play proper two player as opposed to one unfortunate person having to make do playing with a controller. Fantastic fun that was. I'd love to play that game again properly.
Neil, how did you do on the one shot, one leaf challenge?
Nice thingie! I wanted something like that since... since back then I've got no money to play a single lightgun arcade in my city.
Two thoughts on the device
1) I hope someday they will learn how to make that border beyond of the game's resolution! We've got games cropped now!
2) in 2021 it should be wireless, dammit!
great video. I've seen a couple videos about this gun but this one answers a lot of questions.
Thanks for watching it
Very much liking the sound of the recoil
Looks fantastic, very impressed with it. I do own the G-Con45 and the G-Gon 2. The PS3 one, i cannot remember its name, but i own that too.
An ultra-short-throw projector would probably be your best bet for ease of mounting and space savings for the projection setup problem, plus minimal chance of people getting in front of the projection while playing!
Great video! I've just ended up buying one with recoil, so that's probably your fault.
100 inch screen projector! Yes please. Can't wait!
Lovely video, and lovely looking bit of kit!
Thanks for the analysis! And nice Aphex Twin vinyl
Sega Saturn mod would make things a lot more enticing personally.
I'd love to plug it into my SNES
PS1, PS2 adapter also.
Be prepared to wait a whole year for the guns!!
I loved it Neil! I just wanted to see more haha ❤️
*Note to self, when going out with my real Uzi, cover the end in orange :P
Just paint it orange ... now it's a toy!
@@xstreamcleannyc6931 Perfect :D
Would love to have this at home.. Looks great.. Thanks for showing this Neil.
What timing i recently bought a guncon 45 and a guncon 2 for my ps2. I lucky as i have albeit a small crt tv combi but it does the job. I also bought a copy of pretty much every light gun game available on ps1 and ps2. Damn the old days were the best having so much fun and so nostalgic. May look at picking one of these up in the future but there nothing like having the proper hardware. Although it is hard getting crt tvs now round where i am anyway.
Maddog!!! Ohh man right in the nostalgia lol