I feel like a million things happened I need to mention: 1. Adéla debuted her new single today, which is so good, the chorus was stuck in my head for weeks when she was promoting it (istg I feel like lady gaga and britney had a baby) if you wanna support it click here: open.spotify.com/track/7904wbV03rb4S0gGliqBk4?si=f175860e00b44a79 or her channel: th-cam.com/video/antEtIjkYqc/w-d-xo.html 2. Thank you Eunchae for your time as Music Bank's host, you did amazing despite everything that was going on! Crongrats to ILLIT's Minju who will be carrying the torch onwards, wishing you the best. 3. No, I am still not feeling Katseye as a group until I get better music but I will say, words cannot convey the amount if love and respect I have for Sophia and Lara. I absolutely adore them. And Megan and Daniella are such stage presence queens. I'll see as time progresses if I'll like their music. 4. The NWJNS live: Honestly I am so tired of talking about MHJ and her sick tactics to get into the claws of these children and their equally ridiculous parents. I will say, if you think they did the live all on their own accord, you are delusional. It is not a coinsidence that this live happened at the cusp of ILLIT's comeback. I feel like one of three things is happening here in my opinion; either a) NWJNS are not being given the accurate information about what MHJ has done (I mean her literal CRIMES, and the way they talked about copyright and all, it is likely they are just not aware of what is really going on) and how her behaviour has affected other groups, or two: they know and do not care and are just horrible people, or three: they are being blackmailed into doing this, because they may be young but they aren't dumb. You could never make me defend someone who called my groupmates names and justified SA unless you have something on me or my group. MHJ is sick and no amount of "wanting good music" for NWJNS will justify that. These are young kids need to be protected. K-pop failed to do that when we told you MHJ is unsafe and now again fans refuse to protect them, what will they think when they are older and start seeing things clearly? HYBE is definitley no saint in this either because the protection of these girls should have been a priority and honestly, I do not htink it's being taken seriously. The "well they wanna be with her so let's issolate them" attitude is not productiove either. I understand that there is a possibility that their hands are tied because of the girls' parents but at least look like you are trying. Lastly, I do not judge people who are running out of sympathy for NWJNS, while yes they are kids, their constant mentioning of MHJ's in support of her must be frustrating for them. I also feel, as terrible as it sounds, that as fans (not companies) but as fans, the only way to save these girls is to abandon them completely and pray, then maybe, their parents will have so common sense and rethink keeping their children linked to MHJ (unless they are being blackmailed or something because at this point, anything is a possibility). She is shameless enough to wanna take NWJNS down with her if she doesn't get what she wants. I still compassion towards them because I know how hard it is to free yourself from manipulation especially at a young age, and I continue to hold hope that someday, someway, they'll be free of MHJ. 4. Billboard and New York Post's ranking of LISA's VMA performace: I will never understand NYP's hate boner with BLACKPINK in general. Calling LISA a K-flop... what kind of language is that? Accusing LISA of lip-syncing when we all heard her sing live, the issue was the loud backtrack, on top of that her performance was good saying "she left us wondering how she got invited" when she is 1/4 of the most popular girl group in the world right now is a joke. If you are going to review a performance, and tell us why it is bad, try to articulate yourself like you have some common sense and proffesionalism. But I am not too bothered by it because if I've learned anything about LISA, when people pull stunts like this, she always proves them wrong. And that's it. Hope you are having an amazing weekend, I love you guys so much and am grateful for the amount of outpouring support on my recent content. God Bless.
I've been seeing multiple bunnies say Hybe has been mistreating and sabotaging Newjeans which I believe to be false. Yes I agree Hybe could have taken extra measures to ensure the protection of the girls, but to say they are sabotaging them seems extreme. When I asked them how Newjeans were being mistreated this is the reply I got: @Scarlitoons:low promotions, guarding problems, taking away the only one there for them and actually helping the girls grow. their new CEO does not care about their music, of you had seen the live new jeans. I stated Hybe funded them which helped provide their mv's, concept's, advertisements, endorsement deals, promotion activities, etc? They replied: Bro Newjeans overshadowed Leserafim which BSH made so he jealous of their success even making illit to copy newjeans. Yeah BSH is a child😂i told u he jealous of Newjeans success cause they overshadowed lesserafim ( they are still amazing group tho). Its not about the money anymore its about that the group he made lesserafim is being overshadowed by MHJ group so he also made illit to copy newjeans formula. They truly believe Hybe did NOTHING for Newjeans and that MHJ was the only one there for them. They think she saved them, so if the girls want her back she should come back.
Would you make a video about the last two ?? im so tired of how people making hating on bp and the members look so normal , and i think the guy who wrote that has a problem with lisa cause latter billboard upload another review of lisa performance ( wich someone else wrote it ) and they just praised her and another things most of people that talked about her lip syincing , say it was lip because she didnt struggled , like are you serious ???
Can we also talk about how messed up it is to give the girls a “therapist” and FILM IT?!?!? I say “therapist” bc in my personal opinion as someone who works in medical malpractice there is no legitimate therapist who would say this is healthy and a good practice. It’s lip service. I hate survival shows and I never can finish them bc it just feels dystopian.
i don't even work in medical fields but in my work i need access to my clients' health records and clinician contacts. even just getting a doctor to confirm they've met a patient requires a whole consent process with clear guidelines. we have yearly government mandated trainings on the release of information like this. i can't imagine what type of legitimate psychologist would agree to publicizing this type of sensitive material.
I feel like ppl online blew the whole "manon was bullied" thing so out of proportion. I understand both sides. Sophia and the other girls are frustrated their hard work isn't being acknowledged by the audience and manon is frustrated their feelings towards the voting is being taken out on her. It's weird
Sophia was a lock no matter what. She's consistently #1 or #2 on fan votes, and consistently #1 on performance during Dream Academy. For T&D she was always in the top 6.
manon also wasn't raised in competitive training environments unlike the others. she's also from switzerland, which is a country that teaches the value of work life balance. it's likely that manon was simply unfamiliar, and subsequently ignorant, to the situation that she was in. she probably had no idea how she came off to the others, who were rightfully upset. manon did have to wake up to reality, but she wasn't malicious, i can't really think of her as a bad guy. just someone who had to adjust.
@@keirorin the cultural difference is something I hadn't even thought of. I know when Americans work abroad we often get judged for actually wanting to leave work at 5pm, and Switzerland puts even more emphasis on work life balance than America
@@yoyeojin1747 I don't think that's quite what the issue is. Sophia and Lara rank highly with the audience as well, so why would they feel they aren't being recognized? Maybe on Adela's behalf, but Sophia mentioned this being something they've talked to Manon about before. There's a reason nobody wanted to work with Manon. No, I believe the frustration comes from the fact that Manon didn't value or prioritize being there for rehearsals. It is so. Much. Extra. Work. On all the other girls when one misses rehearsal. Having to learn multiple versions of each number, having to space and respace, teach and reteach, clean and reclean everything. It wastes everyone's time and hinders their ability to progress and train their own skills because they have to constantly go back for Manon, adjust for her, revolve practices around her, etc. It is so exhausting. So Manon showed all of them that she doesn't value or respect them or their time and effort, and is totally fine screwing everybody else over if it means she gets to stay home by the pool all day. She's not a team player. Doesn't even want to live with them. And then they get to the surprise survival show and Manon is 4th or whatever in the polls. Especially when someone who has put in the time, has always been there, has lifted up everyone around her and goes out of her way to help the others succeed... is last. The frustration with Manon was there long before the survival show, it just bubbled over with how unfair the voting situation was. I don't understand why Manon was upset though. Maybe she was feeling attacked or like it was being taken out on her. But again, Sophia mentioned talking with her about it before. Is she upset that the others are frustrated that they need to work twice as hard for her to get her special treatment? I don't know. I might have gotten to hear Manon's feelings... if she had bothered to show up to the therapy session. Like I said in another comment, I'm confused why the documentary chose to highlight just how bad Manon would be in a girl group, when the editors knew she was in the group. Maybe they have plans to replace her and wanted to show why? I don't know. I sincerely hope she's become a team player and respects her fellow members now.
you could tell that all of the girls LOVED Adéla, she was super talented and charismatic, not to mention her work ethic. her helping hinari during the “pink venom” practice shows her character… I hate what the producers did to her, painting her as a villain and damaging her image after her elimination.
i COULDNT believe adela was eliminated so early, i wasnt even watching the show, but i was rooting for her after i saw her pink venom fancam, i thought for sure with her stage presence and talent that she would make it...
As a Polish person, I really don't understand the backlash for Adela wanting more Slovakian representation. I would also love more Polish representation in global entertainment, no matter what skin color said Polish person would have. I would feel wayyy more represented by a black Polish artist than a random white American girl. In most of the world, it's the nationality that is more of your identity rather than race. In many countries, you wouldn't even consider your race a part of your identity. After thinking about it wayyy too much, I think the whole issue arises from the cultural differences of how people identify themselves and what makes them feel represented between the US and the rest of the world.
The backlash is they don't think Slovakian, they think White, and therefore Bad Racist Race. Therefore "social justice" which is NOT justice led them to cheering for bad against good.
@@zuzaj7054 But you’re still white at the end of the day. Adela is the only one complaining but she forgot that some of these girls comes countries as small as Slovakia such as Switzerland or Byelorussia. Her comment was just out of place, especially they were at this moment in the USA.
Many misunderstand that there are varying white people by standards of America, and yea there are small countries where some girls would like representation. Think it’s just an underlying projection as our representation is always a topic in which we are either completely disregarded or told we are doing too much 💀
Why are y’all begging for national representation in the USA? As I said, at the end of the day, y’all are white. Did you see Melanesians, Africans, Arabs, or even dark-skinned people in that room? Yet, it’s the white girls with blonde hair who are complaining about the lack of representation. This sounds off to many people. Moreover, why is Manon treated as an African American when she’s not? She’s from a small country in Europe, like Adela, and is mixed.
So interesting, reading your comments. Adela is Slavic and Eastern Europeans are definitely letting it be known that there are as much distinctions to being classified "white" in that part of the world, especially as she was specifically put in a versus situation with the bi-racial Manon, who is from possibly the poshest part of Europe (Switzerland). Yes, I did watch all episodes of the documentary and I too had issues with what you brought up as well. Adela was obviously representing her nation through herself (one person in a very specific situation), she brought it up in her video (she had a lot of airtime). She was possibly the most mature of the trainees - the instructors could rely on her, the girls looked up to her, she herself showed up day in/day out. How it panned out was not a conundrum: KPOP is more/less a youth market and her type of maturity did not pass the marketability of KPOP stans, hence her voting was always on the low end. HYBE can say that she was "meant" to be a soloist blah blah blah but she thrived being in a group, being with the other girls so their reasoning does not pass the smell test. She just wasn't meant to be in THIS GG, especially if they don't change the music they're pushing out right now. Sorry, when I first heard Touch, my first thought was HYBE was giving them a version of ILLIT's Magnetic and to prove my point, they played Magnetic in the documentary. It was a reinforcement to how they mean to market Katseye. Anyway, the silo-ing of HYBE's divisions (or they should be but in reality they are not) is a topic to be tackled in another MV. Thanks.
@@edwinatakasaki2258 yeah, I like to think they just said she was meant to be a soloist to give her a boost. They knew she was perfect for a girl group because her work ethic, mother vibes, and her ability to bring people together, and also knew those skills translate to being a soloist as well, and she's talented enough to make being a soloist work. Them saying "we only eliminated her because she was last in the voting" and "she was always meant to be a soloist" was to show/ tell the audience that this girl is talented, deserved it, and to go support her. It was an apology and a boost to someone they genuinely wanted to work with and got screwed over by their surprise survival show. At least that's what I like to think.
This is also why I think it was kinda shady that they released the doc way after the group was picked. The majority of the audience is going to be already fans of the group, so it’s going to be edited in a way that benefits the current group. Also HYBE was going to have Manon in the group whether it was fair or not, they literally scouted her, which wasn’t fair to the other contestants.
What do you mean by that? Manon isn’t the only one scouted? Manon debuted because of her fan votes btw. If it’s just the judges score that matters, she will not debut. It will be Emily who would debut.
The docu literally showed us that Manon is in the group because of the fan votes. In the finale, none of the judges chose her as their pick. Lara was scouted and is both the judges and the voters pick. There's a difference here. Not saying Manon doesn't deserve her place, but her fans got her in the group. Not because she was scouted or because it's Hybe's wish.
@@VDO-ty3bw life isn’t fair, some contestants were in program longer than other trainees, some contestants spoke english while some couldn’t. they all had advantages and disadvantages in this competition also lara was scouted as well. if this was about fairness everyone would’ve started out at the exact same time with the same skill set.
@@starling93that’s true but there’s truth to Manon always going to be in the group. Or at least they were going to try. It’s not always up to the judges that’s always seen. THEY scouted MANON. Lara was scouted too but she had a musical background. Manon was just pretty. And they sent someone to HER and allowed her to do a lot of stuff that no one else did. She was gonna be in the group. It’s always up to the higher ups, not just the judges. Yes fans too but the directors and execs choose too.
I just know people are gonna be mad about the video title but it is so so accurate. If Adela and Manon had been the same race, everybody would have understood Adela's perspective easily. But because Adela is white and Manon is black, people just reverted to the default reaction of "a racist white girl attacking a successful black girl" but that is simply not what was happening here.
@sasasavage5047 yeah people were for sure hating on Naisha too (and Sophia and Lara), but what I mean is the type of hate targeting Adela was a particular type of hate. It was almost all focused on race. She was written off as a "jealous racist white girl" immediately, people just projected a race issue onto something that had nothing to do with skin color and it could have been really damaging to Adela's reputation. The hate the other girls got was wrong too but people took the opportunity to get the extra dig in for Adela because she was the white girl in the situation and it was easy to be like "she's a racist"
@@bluetheon honestly now that we have context, I think their criticism is fair, but how they went about it is kind of kinky, but I understand her feelings and it is very valid. But the reason a lot of Manon fans doesn't like her is because of her action immediately after DA. She was at the venue where the final members were selected and she, didn't cheer when Manon was called, took pictures with other members and excluded Manon, congratulated everyone except her. When they called her out she said they weren't close, which is fair. But when they tried to tell her congratulating someone even if you are not close to them is just being a good sportsman, she replied rudely making herself look like a sore loser. Glad she's doing well for herself now and hopefully they'd get over their differences, they were young and under and immerse amount of pressure and a lot of people will do the same or even worst
@Bae-t8p yeah I definitely get what you're saying, but I just can't help but think I'd be bitter too if I'd been there since the beginning, worked my ass off, got consistently rated at the top by the judges, only to get zero support from the public while someone who skipped practice gets tons of votes 😭 btw I am in no way saying Manon deserves hate, your last paragraph pretty much sums it up - it was an extremely high pressure situation and I don't think any of them should be forever defined by how they handled it, what they said or didn't say etc. We all have conflict and tension like this in our lives at some point but most of us don't have to deal with thousands of people's opinions on top of it all 😅
@@tsuchinokooo hating anyone from the show is so forced. It seemed like the producers had to work hard to create any kind of narrative with any drama-which in the end reflects positively on all the trainees
i also think something to keep in mind is that adéla is from eastern europe, and in europe in general race is *not* viewed in the same way as it is in america. in the u.s. adéla is labeled white, but back home in europe she's simply slovakian. because of that her concept of "race" is going to be different than someone who was raised in the u.s. and it is unfair to treat her the same and expect the same of her as someone of an american background.
I feel like if she had a more natural look in her face hybe might have given her more of a chance.. like they did with Brooklyn. Hate to say it but hybe cares a lot about visuals...
Tbh I think the only reason they hated her was bcs she was Eastern European. As sb from the region we aren't exactly the favoured part of the world by people from America. It's not a fashionable to them as being Italian or French and honestly. Slavs always fight for representation, because we don't get much and when we do it's not always favourable. Hell in the new Beetlejuice movie they called Maria Skłodowska-Curie FRENCH! She was polish and proud of it. Like born, raised and lived there 23 years. It's not cute to be slavic sadly, that's why I feel empathy for her. What you said is true, race is only an American concept and nobody in this region unless exposed to American culture, because well no country in the region colonised and there was no systemic racism ever.
@@duqial 100% agree about eastern european features and their culture not being considered as desirable here in the states. i'm american, but my ethnic background is predominantly polish and german, so i have some eastern european features. (people also often mistake me for russian because of my name and features) and i certainly don't fit the "euro-centric american beauty standards" that people complain about in the states all the time. it's sad because i find eastern europe a fascinating region that is very unique and different from westerrn europe, but a lot of americans just lump all of europe into the category of racist imperialistic countries. which if you actually look at the history of eastern europe couldn't be further from the truth. (the english word 'slave' literally comes from the slavic people!) the whole situation just makes me hang my head in shame at how my fellow americans are behaving. does american culture have a lot of influence, yes; but not every country is like america, and that's what makes this world so beautiful.
I do see the producers are trying to paint Adela as a "sore loser", but they were quite fair because they also showed how Adela was helping and loved by all the other trainees too. I feel like the issue is that most k-pop stans are not used to seeing idols as humans with mixed range of emotions so it translated badly as if Adela is bitter.
The hatred of Adéla was so forced because we know if these girls were the same race, or more importantly if their races were swapped, this wouldn't be an issue.
Just the fact that nobody is mad at Sophia when she was also talking about Manon ans she was the one that actually confronted her and they were all talking in a circle... it wouldn't look good to hate on her I guess.
Thank you for covering this issue with such logical and complex explanation. For me as a Czech person (we used to be Czechoslovakia, so we're still a little similar in terms of mentality), it was evident from the start that what Adéla meant was that other countries, such as European countries, are not well represented in this worldwide enterntainment that is dominated by Americans and that she wishes for more representation - not skin colour wise but nationality wise. But since the majority of kpop stans who watch these kinds of shows watch them from American perspective where everything is essentially about race, it was quite obvious what the outcome of Adéla's statement would be. It wasn't even surprising because we were served the opinion we should have on silver platter by the production team which is really sad because Adéla seems like a really nice girl who just wanted to be a singer but now she has to deal with the consequences of stupidly edited video. Also, as you mentioned Lisa in your pinned comment... I don't know.. I have to disagree a little. She is such a great performer and singer as well, I don't understand why she had to have such a loud back track- she didn't even dance that much. But that would not even be the problem, I just feel like the performance was a bit underwhelming?... I expected more dynamics from her performance, but that's just my personal subjective opinion which does not come from the the place of hate. I just expected much more from such a big star. EDIT: Also!! Thank yosu for making videos, your perspective and opinions are refreshing during these times hehehe.
I think people here, America, know little next to nothing about that part of the world and the stablishment is trying to erase so hards "white" and european culture that hurts, specially because it is part of the roots of America.
The hate towards Adela was so weird to me. When I watched the 5th episode, I didn’t think once about her being a blonde haired white girl, or that she was jealous. It was so obvious that she was trying to show representation for her nation. Even as a black American, I understood that. To minimize this to a “she’s white, so she can’t speak on a black person” is just so immature. Especially when it was shown in the episode that, besides Manon getting sick, she stopped coming to practices, would sleep in, wouldn’t take the training seriously which would make her fall further behind in the skill level between her and the rest of the girls, and yet she still had high ratings and made it into the group. I’m happy she picked up her own slack, I’m actually happy she’s in the group. But this type of mindset is what sets the black community back so much. Deeming all of the things that seem unfair to us as “racism” is not going to push us further. Sometimes, our race is the reason why we’re overlooked or the complete opposite. But in this situation, it was clear that Adela was significantly more talented than Manon and she was simply expressing her frustrations about the voting as was all of the girls. She’s not racist. And to be fair, the entire process of this project was unfair in multiple ways than just this situation. I hope Adela and Katseye achieve great success.
agree thats y these survival shows are so messy these days, altho ive been enjoying boysplanet much more due to it not being as toxic. I hope they release a korean song cause their songs sound like an early 00s english only pop song thats why I was confused as to why its considered "kpop" or not theyre not exactly a korean aimed group per se. but i wish them good luck as well bc kpop generally is harsh on its idols and so are knetz
To your last point: I was happily enjoying the show in the beginning. There was something very cool about the idea of exposing people from other backgrounds to the fabled KPOP regime of training. I was totally onboard! I wish I had found out about all of it sooner! And then that troll of a producer shows up and openly attempts to justify manipulating these young women and pitting them against each other in pure Mean Girls fashion. The tone shifted completely. You could see the heartbreak in the contestants' eyes. This is NOT what they signed up for. This was a disgusting assault on their dreams. Some took it on the chin and rolled with it. Some became casualties of it. But it is ridiculous to me to infuse "reality" show tactics into what was a really great idea. You're forming a group that will spend the coming years together working their backsides off. Why would you attempt to shove animosity and infighting into that recipe? The plan was clearly brought about by the hollow little hag producer who laughed about it like it was just good fun. These contestants were aged 14-21. Their lives are dramatic enough.
@@lothwicke yeah I thought that was absolutely disgusting. They wanted to implement the idea of American reality tv into it and that was such a horrible idea. Lexi dissociating is what really broke me
I'd like to point out one thing as a Slavic girl. We don't really associate with the term white. We're Slavic. Abd as a Slavic person, who loved Adela, i was rooting for her so much. I felt represented because of her presence and motivation and passion
@@1024sofia we consider ourselves Slavic. That's what I said. We don't associate people with the color of their skin, we don't group people like that (unless you come across someone who's ignorant/racist but I'm talking about the general people). People of darker skin in Poland would be offended if you call them a *color* person. That's why people of African descent born and raised in Poland don't like to be called black. They'd tell you to look at the black ink on paper and ask "am I that color? No". We use our nationalities to describe who we are. I'm not white because I don't look like a white peace of paper, I'm Polish because I come from Poland and because I come from Poland I'm Slavic. That's it. Outside of America it looks a bit different, it's cultural. I tried my best to explain this as English isn't my first language, I hope you respect how it is here. Being told all the time that "you're just white, what the fuck is Slavic" is tiring
@@1024sofia Tbh, myself as a Slavic person I don't even identify myself as Slavic as much. My identity is just Polish. Maybe I would think of myself (just a little) as Slavic. And I am white but being white is not a part of my identity. Like, being Polish or even Slavic says stuff about my culture, language, history etc. But I wouldn't feel connected with other white people just for the fact of being the same color, if that makes sense? I would feel way more represented on a global stage by a black Polish person or e.g. a random foreign-born Asian who just happen to be very enthusiastic about Poland and speaks the language than a random white American girl with whom I seemingly have nothing in common besides the color of my complexion.
Something I’ve noticed A LOT, is that peoples who says the (uncomfortable) truth and addresses the “elephant in the room”, is that they’re always painted as the Villains 🙂
@@lolano3392 EXACTLY. Like… Let’s not act like we wouldn’t be upset too if we ever had to be in the same situation as them, because that’s a huge lie 😭
@ Want me to be real with you? Manon hasn’t behaved exactly the best in the past, it’s a fact really, but she’s still one of the members I like the most in Katseye because people can grow out from their past selves and become better as time goes by and she has lots of to give (plus she’s funny), but Adéla wasn’t entirely wrong in the time span of the events that happened in the video. Just this 🙌🏻 What’s currently happening between them after the time span of this video’s events, it’s honestly none of my concern nor I care because: 1. They aren’t my responsibility. 2. They already went their separates way. And if it’s THAT serious for them, they will (and should) resolve it like adults by talking things between themselves. If they don’t sort it out that’s on them, not me 🤷🏻♀️
I didn't know any of the girls or the controversies before this vid popped up on my FYP. But I believe, not even regarding her Slovak pride, any thinking Slavic woman who spent most of her life in a Slavic country would feel Adela right away. Americanized racial politics that rotted most of the international k-pop stans would never allow people to even try and find out what it's like to be, yes, white, and yet dirtier, not even white enough to other whites, what it's like to try and break into industries that had painted you, a Slavic woman, either as a prоstitute or an obedient wife for decades -- that's literally all the repersentation there is, she was right to say Americans can't experience that. And that's leaving out the obvious: the poverty of the majority of the Slavic countries compared even to Western Europe, the lack of opportunities, the doubled amount of hard work required to ever get out and survive abroad which are the issues that, as far as I get it, these people are convinced only POC could experience.
This!!! People are so quick to deny whichever opinions and thoughts slavic people have about representation just because we are white. Wait until they find out that not all white people look the same and people from different areas in europe actually have distinct features.
My takeaway from this situation is not about race or preferential treatment, but how the girls were sold a lie about hard work and burnout yielding results in a superficial industry. I think it's great that a girl like Manon was thrown in as a wrench to the system because ultimately, this was a very eye-opening experience for both the girls and viewers alike.
I feel like everyone is missing the point. NONE of the girls deserve hate. They were all in a difficult situation as young as nineteen or twenty years old. It’s weird seeing yall shift the hate from Adéla to Manon now 😭 the actual problem is the way in which the producers pit the girls against each other. Putting girls in a public, worldwide voting system was highly unethical. The reality is every girl, understandably, reacted in the most human way to the most unhealthiest, toxic environment imaginable. If the problem is the fans too (which it is) then make that clear, yall. Blaming the girls for something they have no control over is wild..
@@dokessezeaka5159 yes, which is totally right! But I’ve seen ppl in this comment section call Manon talentless and undeserving of her spot :/ which is not okay
THANK YOUUU people don’t understand that the person that spent the most time with the girls (Missy) said herself that she wouldn’t debu Manon due to her lack of proffesionalism / work ethic and even the fact that that she had to moove out of the house for rule breaking on multiple occasions just ads insult to injury
@@anicah906 ofc she said that at this precise moment you don't talk badly about the final line up once it's been announced it would make the producers look like clowns. If manon was always gonna be part of the group as you said it only makes adela's comments about Manon even more pertinent
@@stoup7280well no lmao. Manon made it to the final line up bc she got her stuff together and worked for it. Plus if someone need to improve somewhere, a coach is gonna tell you lmao. So if she’s saying Manon improved and put the effort forward, then she improved and put the effort forward. Honestly just say you don’t like Manon and move on bc why even try to downplay her obvious improvements???
@@anicah906 she was not always going to be in the group I bet you $100 if Samara hadn’t had that scandal she probably would have been the choice instead of manon they wanted somebody from almost every ethnicity Manon was the replacement
@@lolano3392 if you look at all the designs for the group manon & Lexie were the only ppl that was there everytime😭 even when they did the white top photo shoot manon… that’s why they were so lenient with her bc they wanted her from the day she was found lmfao. Samara hardly had any screentime & manon was higher in votes most of the show
Thanks for making this. Those who became Manon's fan before the doc came out are going around spreading false information about the documentary and trying to convince us that we didn't see what we saw in the documentary
As someone who was a fan of her prior to the documentary, it was extremely disappointing to see how she behaved during training and anyone who wants to scream racism to excuse her poor behavior is delusional.
Thank you, seeing hate towards adela from a teaser video on the internet was so uncalled for, and even after the show came out, it was out of pocket to bash her when she was the sweetest in the show EDIT: I just saw she posted her new music video!!!
I watched and voted from the beginning, all we had was the videos hybe released of the mission only. So ofc The girls that sang seemed more talented. Its a shame she never got the chance to truly shine Adela in the first mission stood out too much. Her clothes made her look bigger than she was and she was also dancing next to the two smallest Asian contestants… sometimes I wonder if the company did that to her on purpose
I stopped watching survival shows for that reason as well, the prettiest would debut, the drama would happen in almost every single episode and it raises my blood pressure knowing a contestant I like would not be picked because of votes that don't make any sense. What happened with Adéla doesn't surprise me because people think they can´t be racist and disrespectful to white people due to privilege but forget that even among white people there is prejudice and discrimination. Even if they were a different race/ethnicity, how is it that being racist and discriminatory towards white people makes you better than the ones they complain about? Also, this is not he first time happening but has been happening several times where kpop fans will voice their disdain for certain attitudes and behaviours but as soon as they see a contestant or idol speak about it, they flip on them. It's honestly mental.
omg thank u they completely ignore how manon was rewarded for breaking rules and attacked and defended instead of actually building a bridge when she claimed to want to do so. INSANE
Manon DID build that bridge with the girls though. Why are people ignoring the fact that Manon got her shit together and worked hard to get to the level & meet the girls where they were????
Personal Theory: I feel like the only reason that the only reason that Manon ended up getting that conversation together in the end to make up with the girls was because the producers and execs knew she was going to be in the group. They wanted her to be in the group and she was lowkey going to be in it from the beginning with all the excusals they were giving her for behavior that they wouldn’t let slide from the other contestants. I think that it was them that likely prompted that conversation in the end, and to get it all on camera at that too so that way audiences could be swayed to like her again when she debuted despite previous behavior.
@@c.v.3025 They weren't giving her excuses. During Dream Academy and throughout Pop Star Academy, they brought up her missing rehearsals every chance they got and purposely failed to mention or downplayed her having COVID and consistently framed it as a dedication/laziness thing. Far from giving excuses - it came off almost as if they were deliberately trying to get people upset at her to the point where she had to "redeem" herself.
@@OGseoulitetrue, but she only got the opportunity after being given preferential that none of the other girls got. If it was one of the other girls who would miss practice or break rules frequently, they’d have gotten kicked out. Not given excuse after excuse until it happened upon them to get it together. They would be told, “well, now you know not to do that the next time, if you even get another chance.” I get that Manon is very hard working and present now, but I don’t think it’s inaccurate to say that if she wasn’t as pretty as she is or had as big of a social media following and made all of those mistakes, she would have been kicked out and not made it into the group. It is pretty privilege at its finest that got her through the show and into the group, (with a little bit of hard work sprinkled in at the end).
Also people blaming manon for ‘special treatment’ that’s what you blame the company for ! Thats not her fault and everyone getting mad was VALID but my thing is this if we gonna call it out. Call it out completely hold the adults accountable now that wouldve made me GAGG.
Right!! If anyone was in that position, they probably would react the same way as Manon. None of the contestants are the bad guys, it's the production. I personally think there should be no hate towards any of them.
THANK YOU!!! like…yes i’d be mad to if someone got scouted & was basically a for sure pick over me even though i’ve been there a year longer but any “special” treatment to manon is production, hype, etcs fault not manons. pretty privilege doesn’t even work as they’re all pretty yet lacked “star quality” (except lexie & lara imo). the girls needed to be mad at production & bang, but even if manon wasn’t there, adela wasn’t making the group as she’s more fitted for a solost & was already dead last in fan voting.
It's sad, but i can't see the group being any different, they complement each other so well and it seems that Manon really changed for the better, her vocals are pretty solid and the girl get along very well. So no need to hate Adéla or Manon, I love them both
the only villain is HYBE. I did not approve of Manon's behaviour at first but so much context is overlooked in that situation (which is understandable because it's a few hours out of 2 wholes years for the girls)
Kpop Stans are known for lacking common sense. The fact that people forget that what we saw and what was shown in the documentary was just a fraction of what happen during 2 or more years is baffling. Survival shows after documentaries all with evil editing and they still managed to give these big corporations the reaction they wanted. They still haven't learned a thing. Smh..
Guys, I love Adela, but I feel that with HYPE they always have an unrealistically beautiful person in their group. And tbh pretty people sell everywhere on screens. No matter whatever show, Manon would've been a part of the group. Like in ILAND they made extra effort to put in MAI in IZNA. The harsh truth is that she would've been selected. As a supporter of both Manon and Adela and understanding both sides, the group would not have gotten the hype it has gotten with Manon in it (because of her going viral). Adela will shine on her own I am sure
I know some people are mad about Manon having a spot, buuuuuuut she just can’t be denied. Not just because of her face but you can get a good sense that her energy is dazzling as well. When you have a pretty face and a pretty heart, there’s no denying you like ever. You will always stand out
@@tunamayhoe maybeee or because she was reached out to, she wasn’t like the other girls who were trying really hard. I know a lot of people don’t focus on spirituality but who says you have to work super hard to achieve anything? If you want, you can just be in the right place at the right time and just receive it.
@@Missjessica419 There is still preferential treatment, especially considering she was allowed to do what the other girls couldn't. You still have to put some work for things to go your way even if you're in the right place and time. Even if she wouldn't put her best on practices, if she showed up, she would've created a good relationship with them prior to debuting.
was agreeing with a lot of your points until this part "she said in her confessional that she wanted to take accountability but none of that was shown in the conversation" not sure if you blacked out during the part where she literally said the following: "I will hold myself accountable and I'm sorry for missing classes" DURING the conversation (38:38 ep 7 ) "'her intentions for this conversation looked shallow and inauthentic" not sure how you're justifying this but I think her pulling the girls to talk was so mature and brave and I'm not sure if you've ever had to put yourself in front of 14 girls who you know resent you and apologise but that sounds intimidating af so give her some damn credit.
yeah ever since the documentary, i haven’t been able to stan manon because it felt like she took it seriously when she realized she had a real shot of debuting/being famous (i dont count tiktok fame as famous lol). it just feels lazy to me when everyone else put in the work from day one. and honestly, her work ethic only hurt her in the end because i’ve yet to see a live manon fancam where she doesn’t make choreo mistakes. im sure she works hard now, but idk it puts a bad taste in my mouth how she handled the situation before and i was confused as to why everyone got mad at lara or sophia for rightfully calling manon out.
I think that’s a fair reaction. I personally didn’t like her more after the documentary but still find her to be my favourite member. I felt it was very human and vulnerable for her to have those doubts beforehand and be inspired by the possibility of making it. I know people in my actual life also get demoralised by falling behind like Manon admits she did in the documentary and know how that can come across as frustrating irl to others but how debilitating that can be for the person in question.
I understand this to a point but at the end of the day they only showed us parts . We don’t know everything that happened it’s kind of hard to wrap of years of work in a 8 episode documentary series . I feel like the hate wasn’t justified for none of the girls . Plus there are many lives performances where Manon does great without any mistakes kcon being one of them . I do feel like a lot people took this documentary wrong. In my opinion all of those girls handled the situation wrong but they were young girls . Plus it I don’t necessarily believed it hurt her because ofc the had to continue practicing and training after they got picked.
If they wanted Adéla in the lineup, the mentors/producers or whoever decided the missions should've tried harder. Adéla is obviously really talented but she didnt stand out to me at all during dream academy. Overall i always thought the missions were not good at showcasing the girl's talent. So obviously people were gonna voted based on ethnicity and visuals.
they didn’t want her which is the gag, they kinda wasted her time. & agree, in that 1st mission she only did better than hinari. i did think she’d get another week though but would definitely be gone after the 2nd mission.
as someone from a slavic country, the lack of representation is basically a matter for all of us (besides maybe russia?), but i do think even though adela made valid points, she was exaggerating a bit at times. while twisting her words and claiming she complains about lack of white representation also bothers me, i think national and racial representation aren’t equally important. while people from my country get excited at any mention of us anywhere in the industry, because we tend to be forgotten, i would never compare it to the lack of racial/ethnic representation, especially in an industry that puts huge beauty standards on women. i think that’s also why some people online jumped to those conclusions. coming down to work ethic it does amaze me how no one wants to put even a little responsibility on manon considering even their teacher ended up thinking she wouldn’t add her to the group based on it. i think manon had way less determination as a trainee, because she never auditioned herself and didn’t seem like someone who necessarily wanted to be an artist. i think the production putting her in the center of attention at times gave her reassurance she would get in. at the end i think she realized how serious it was and improved which i’m glad about, because even though i’m not particularly intrigued by her voice or dance skills, i do think a person like her with an “aura” is a good thing for the group. kinda like victoria beckham in spice girls, till this day people joke about her not being able to sing but i do think she was an iconic member. however it’s 100% true pretty privilege plays a huge part in how fans portray her and her actions.
the lack of representation is matter for all of us from slavic countries. It's hard to be represented in pop culture/global music even for Russian in other way than Russian mafia or prostitutes. I don't think she was exaggerating a bit since she didn't talk about race at all but nationality.
@@Nicole-ep1vt i literally included the first statement in my comment. i meant exaggerating in general, cause it was showing she did not like manon and even though everyone was rightfully frustrated with her i feel like adela took it personally. and yeah having national representation feels good, but it is not as necessary as racial or ethnic representation and considering there were indian girls in the program not talking about it as much as adela made it seem a bit exaggerated at least to me, especially with her commenting on little girls from her country getting to know they have a chance when they literally see thousands of girls like them in the industry cause it’s not like nationality is some barrier for making it.
@@loonaism6177 While I don't know which Slavic country you're from, it's important to recognize that just because people may look similar doesn't mean they share the same experiences or culture. Eastern Europeans/Slavic people, have distinct cultural backgrounds and lead lives that are quite different from those in Western countries. Especially compared to American lives. While there are certainly commonalities and things we can bond over... our upbringing, values, mentality, and societal expectations differ significantly. Nationality can indeed be a barrier, and to overlook this is to dismiss the challenges faced by people who are trying to make it in global music industry. If you don't believe this to be true, it's likely you've never truly experienced what it's like to make your way as a Slavic person in these environments.
@@moncica1998 idk what culture has to do with it, i have never heard someone having it hard making it just because they’re slavic lol, what difference in making it is between us and someone from idk germany for example?
@@loonaism6177 Okay, let me ask you a question first before I will answer. We're talking about the global music industry here. You said you've never heard of someone having a hard time making it just because they're Slavic. So, who has made it in the global music industry as Slavic? Because I can't, for the life of me, think of anyone remotely relevant who’s actually from a Slavic country.
THANK YOU for presenting all this in such an informed and non biased way because so many people online are still talking from sides and not helping the group or Adela. I hit subscribe so fast.
I agree with everything said, honestly it was tiring to see tiktok after tiktok talking about the "Manon hate" as if it wasn't mildly justifiable from the other contestant's perspectives. The group is obviously amazing and they all are continuing to put a lot of hard work into their music but damn watching the documentary and seeing these behaviors was mad irritating.
Ok ? So it was ok for those 3 gorl to keep talking shit about Manon and being rude ? The Manon hate was very force ! And still is because she is talented and beautiful ! Adele was never gone get picked from the very start! When Adele left she was talking shit like
Manon hate is NOT justified nor was any of the hate towards any of the girls. Manon has apologized MANY MANY times, said she wasn’t as dedicated as the other girls, owned her action, and they all moved on. So no, hate is not justified from anyone. Y’all r so annoying
I think another thing thats hard for fans is seeing this documentary and what all the members would say about there future members is hard to see. Simply because when we see idol groups we expect it to a close friendship or sisterhood. While Katseye right now is being seen in a mixeye. Theres a sisterhood but there wasn’t always a sisterhood. At some point they talked about each other, disliked each other. And it could be worrisome if they still feel that same way about her behind the scenes. I think they talked about it more behind the scenes or when this issue was blowing up i hope they talked about it to tighten there friendship. I can see this group ending up like little mix but I hope they become successful and have a long friendship instead.
If you think this documentary was bad wait till you see kpop idols on apple tv, it was a complete 180, they didn’t mention fatou was suicidal and tried to paint Leia as a victim who just had a minor slip up.
i mean you could tell that hybe wanted manon in the group from the beginning, which is none of the girls’ fault - it definitely affected their relationships with each other and the public but also… this is the music industry y’all. no one’s surprised. if anything i dislike adela for the whole “YC” thing with yoonchae (the “it’s easier”… yikes!) more than the manon situation
and also - i do feel that this had more to do with pretty privilege than anything else. manon was scouted for her looks, that’s not a secret, and she was shielded from criticism because of her looks. i don’t think it would’ve been that different if their roles were swapped and adela was the pretty one tbh
One aspect of this convo that kind of annoys me is this unsupported assumption that ALL the girls felt the way Adela did. I made a list of the girls who, throughout all of Dream Academy and Pop Star Academy (on the show and on socials), have never said anything remotely negative about Manon or have even said positive things about her: Daniela, Yoonchae, Nayoung, Celeste, Samara, Emily, Iliya, Hinari, Ua, Mei, Lexie, Karlee, and Marquise. This is over half the girls. In the psychologist scene, most of the girls just look uninterested or even vaguely uncomfortable with the discussion. We have no reason to believe this resentment towards Manon was unanimous.
You're right, but remember in episode six only one out of the eighteen chose her to be in their ideal line up. Respectfully, there must have been a reason, at least that's how I see it.
@@everglowup That same episode showed Brooklyn and Ua getting zero votes and Lexie and Yoonchae only getting two votes, but I haven't seen theories about resentment toward them. Nayoung only got 3. There are probably many factors that went into that, but I suspect the girls largely voted based on a mix of impersonal assessments of skillset, whom they were closer to, and whom they perceived as having a strong shot at actually making it. I think it's also no coincidence that the girls who were less fluent in English appear to be lower overall. Nothing in particular points toward the girls feeling the same as Adela.
@@everglowupbringing up episode six, it’s interesting how often people SWEAR Emily should have made the group, when her being 3rd to last in those rankings of the votes had indicated there’s a reason why she didn’t. Clearly for different reasons than Manon, but I just wanted to add that because it does also add perspective on the overall conversation in terms of how the girls may have felt at that time, as people often claimed Emily should have made the last split rather than Manon but clearly she wasn’t capable to some extent where Manon didn’t lack. It’s an interesting comparison for sure considering again, there are different reasons for why the girls didn’t vote for them to be in their “idea” of the final lineup.
@@bloojay7going back over the social media during Dream Academy it seemed like there was a bit of a clique between Sophia, Lara, Megan, Adela and Emily as they all interacted a lot. Whereas Daniella and Nayoung were closer to Manon. It wasn’t until mission three that the girls started to really take on board that anyone could make it and all started to do videos together more generally.
Adela had points. But, they took this way too far. They started scapegoating Manon for EVERYTHING that began to go wrong even things that had nothing to do with her. Y’all can be upset that Manon seemed to be favored by public vote sure. But yall can’t blame her for it as she was already famous before she even got scouted. Her fans followed and wanted to see her succeed. Take yall anger up with her fans not Manon herself. She can’t control the fact they stood behind her. As for them being upset that Manon wasn’t putting in the work at first, that’s completely understandable not even gonna argue against that.
I think it’s just a matter of cultural differences, Manon didn’t understand the culture in dance yet while the others did. And although I personally think Adela was low-key bitter, I think she would’ve said the same things about Manon if she was a pretty white or Asian girl etc. I don’t think she’s the racist white girl people are trying to paint her as but I do think that what she said was wrong by some degree.
@@Justsomegir literally nothing just like most contestants did. Last time I checked there were also 13 other girls on that program who also worked hard, also made sacrifices and also got their dreams crushed. They didn’t single someone out or continued to talk crap about them after being eliminated.
Agreed, I think her comments gave away her bitterness, any ill feelings should not be directed towards Manon, instead the show who made it possible. Hate the game don't hate the player. Work ethics can be improved however mentality is harder also tbh ive never seen any contestants in a survival show with negative mindset wins🤷
every contestant that was Eliminated has the talent, drive and passion to do they want to do, be a k-pop idol. The girls loved one another from beginning to end but you can feel the tension when people who joined late, no prior training and missed a lot of practise and lessons get into a group which they gave their all for is definitely up setting. the idea that fans got of "Mannon was being bullied" is absolute nonsense! The girls frustrated that their efforts were in vain and Mannon was upset that the girls were taking it out on her due to the voting, which is actually clear if you didn't skip majority of the episodes. The girls loved Adéla, her talent in vocals, dance and stage presence shown through her evals and pink venom yet, she was eliminated due to where she was from and because of her looks. It's not that I don't like the final line up (cuz it's be honest, debut and touch are absolute bops) but what the producers did to defame her after elimination is crazy and un acceptable to most peoples standards. Thank you for reading my rant :)
I love Adela... She's one my favorite in this program. Her attitude is one of the best. She's a future lead of girl group. I pray she's will successful in fiture...
But since when has the music industry been solely about talent? Especially the pop industry. Let’s be honest if the most talented girls all made it into the group it wouldn’t matter cuz some of them simply didn’t have the look/aura of a star and the group wouldn’t survive and the higher ups definitely knew that. That’s why the most talented in the industry become background dancers and singers. Some people just don’t have to work as hard as others in life and that’s that, pretty sure Manon knew she had her spot secured from the beginning. I’ve seen Adela’s solo stuff and tbh nothing new or exciting about her and the producers and audience saw that 🤷🏽♀️
Her solo work is being supported out of pity and this is coming from someone who is also supporting her. Lyrics are nonsensical, instrumental is dated, and she didn’t seem to know how to have presence outside of trying to be “sexy” I see why she wasn’t chosen. Execs truly know what’s best
Exactly. Even Bang PD came in the first few episodes and stated that star power is important. People aren't always going to be chosen based on talent alone. Hard as it is to accept that Manon is an important factor as to whether the group sells or not. Most stans come from her.
I think the reason why Adele and Lara were viewed as villains is because of Adele's approach, which made her appear mean or like a hater. Additionally, there was one episode where Lara and others were caught laughing at Manon, which gave the audience the impression that they were mean girls.
karlee was the one who asked yoonchae what she would prefer to be called. adela was the one who said YC was “easier.” that’s why ppl weren’t harassing karlee, because karlee was the only one who actually cared about what yoonchae wanted to be called. adela didn’t really gaf
If she didn't gaf why did she highlight the fact that Yoonchae didn't like hugging as to reassure her and also encourage her abt her revision with "you're gonna kill it".
@@lotuschilcl i’m talking about adela not calling her by her real name. she didn’t care what yoonchae preferred to be called. she didn’t care enough to even try to pronounce it properly the first time. what kind of person plans to debut under a korean company but doesn’t even attempt to pronounce an asian name, and when first meeting her too? like that just feels so disrespectful to me
@@annieproulx6032 Yeah, but see your cherry-picking her actions, cause in that same span of 5-10 min she did stuff to show her support and respect for her. Also, take into consideration that she's from a country where Korean IS NOT SPOKEN USUALLY, she's from Slovakia, she met yoonchae for the first time that day and also she did call her by her real name, even payed attention when she was asked if she was comfortable with it, the nickname was to encourage a relaxed and stress relief environment between the new girls, and if her pronunciation wasn't great maybe that's why she called her by YC to not make it seem as if she struggled with the actual name cause she clearly did, practice or no practice, not out of disrespect, out of actual respect for her and maybe a little embarrassment for herself, it isn't her native tongue, try speaking Slovakian yourself and saying it perfectly. And finally, the contract isn't with an all Korean company. It's a GLOBAL GIRL GROUP with the TRAINING of a Korean company, so no, she wasn't required to speak Korean and still she was one of the main girls who tried to help out the Asian girls even if the language barrier made it difficult. Clearly you did not watch the show, and if you did, you clearly identify with Manon or some $hit like that cause you're comments clearly don't emulate an environment where you understand how it is to be in a situation where these girls where.
@@lotuschilcl you refusing to admit it’s disrespectful is weird. i dont care if you disagree with me. it is very much so microaggressive to say it’s “easier” to not even try pronouncing foreign names. if you can’t accept that then you’re ignorant and close-minded, and i don’t respect your opinion
@@annieproulx6032 because in slavic countries people give a name to YOU and it's considered normal so she was not trying to be disrespectful. See this is what adela was talking about in the beginning - the lack of Slavic representation in the world. We have our own ways the same as Koreans, Latinos etc have their. The sad truth is that almost no one knows because we are not see in the world.
it truly blows my mind that ppl tried to pull the race card with adela and manon,, like.....what??? stupid issues are like these diminish actual racial issues, i just cant
you’re attempting to have a thought out discussion about this but completely painting manon as someone who had no regard for the team or awareness of her actions. manon made it clear she misunderstood the severity of the program. she also had a right to defend herself when 20 girls were coming at her. no matter what she did, that wasn’t the right way to approach issues they felt like were occurring. you’re also making it seem like manon isn’t talented and is in the group just because she’s a pretty face. this also makes a space for anti-blackness to occur and for people like that to facilitate their hate for manon. this wasn’t a nuanced conversation at all.
Right! I feel like she skipped over the girls just straight being jealous even before Manon arrived. Also her not living with the girls is justified, she was most likely excluded from the jump making her living life difficult, causing Manon not wanting to live with the other girls. I feel like this video glanced over the hate/racism Manon has been getting, while painting the other girls as only saints and angels.
Also let's be real here a lot of the issues with Manon missing classes didn't start until after she became popular with the audience. Some of the frustration was warranted but a lot was simply jealousy and was IMO the root of a lot of Adela's beef with Manon which was why I personally couldn't respect her.
She stated she wants to be an inspiration for little girls but now look at the content she posts nowadays. It is completely inappropriate for little girls. I get her being eliminated so fast is sad for her however you failed to mention Manon did realize she needed to put in work and she did. Then looking at entertainment industry perspective, you want to sell concert tickets, you want to form a group with girls that have star quality. That was the purpose for the survival show and the team Katseye looks so cohesive and they did a good job forming it. Best of luck to Adela though but she is not targeting little girls in her music videos.
@@mariahbreannalane6985 the survival portion that people voted on was uploaded on Hybes TH-cam channel, the documentary is on Netflix that shows all this behind the scenes and drama stuff
I agree Adela was correct. I will say though she doesn’t fit in the group. Even as a soloist she feels a bit too try-hard, nothing is natural. She would have stood out in the group like a sore thumb. Manon wasn’t as talented as her but she’s miles more charismatic.
This whole video is built on wrong information considering that people who dislike Adela also dislike Naisha just as much, for the same reason. Many of them had those opinions before the documentary due to their social media posts. Her skin color has nothing to do with it. Dream Academy was one of the fairest shows. Adela was eliminated because she didn't capture people's attention in PV. I followed the show and agree with that sentiment. Something about her performance was off-putting. Also, yall would make more sense if you just said you think visual picks should be eliminated from kpop, which probably wont be happening anytime soon.
I find it a bit weird how other contestants harped on Manon for allegedly only making it into katseye because she's pretty? Manon sings and dances very well. Furthermore, _all_ of the contestants are conventionally pretty and have probably benefitted quite a lot from that privilege. They probably wouldn't like being told they only made it into the show (and group) because of their looks. Manon has this angelic sense of beauty, but doesn't behave like an angel, and that makes her interesting to the viewers.
Ok my thing is, Manon still didn’t deserved to be treated the way she did. All those girls and staff had to do is let her know “oh hey we don’t appreciate you not showing up” because clearly after Manon realized taking days off was a no no, she quickly got the girls together and apologized and showed up ever since. Missy had a lot to say abt Manon’s “poor work ethic” but couldn’t go to her and let her know that taking days off like that isn’t ok? Like hello you’re in charge of them, so why did she let it slide for so long? The girls, especially Adela, continued to reduce her just to her looks multiple times and shit talked abt her behind her back despite the fact that Manon clearly changed her ways. I get the others feeling frustrated but clearly it was a cultural difference and lack of communication. Manon clearly stepped up and proved herself ever since so I really don’t think Adela or anyone else was right to continue to downplay Manon.
When Manon addressed the group and apologized and changed her ways it was already MONTHS maybe even a full year into the program. She absolutely deserved to be treated the way she was. She got special privileges, was able to stay with her aunt bc she kept breaking curfew and other rules. Yeah she stepped up at the end but it's very very clear that she was given special treatment.
@@mamobee Well firstly consider the fact that Manon was added in a year after the program started so she clearly wasn’t as familiar with it as the other girls with. Plus, you saying her apologizing months after taking serval breaks only proves that no one decided to communicate to her that taking frequent breaks isn’t ok. Manon herself clearly said she didn’t have a clear understanding given that where she’s from physical and mental health is very prioritized so taking breaks is something she thought was ok. And when she realized it wasn’t, she quickly apologized and got her stuff together. Saying she deserved to be downplayed, shit talked, and excluded because of a misunderstanding and culture differences is weird asf. The other girls 100% were allowed to feel frustrated with her but couldn’t they just communicate with her their frustrations? Instead Manon was the one who had to come to them lmao. Plus even when Manon changed and showed up and showed out they still continued to shit talk her, what else do they want her to do?
Exactly… I get that Manon wasn’t living with the adult girls but the communication with her was evidently shit! Tell her to show up! Once she was made aware she gathered ALL the girls and apologised. The feelings the girls had were valid, like show the fuck up ffs! However the sniggering and glares were just mean and unnecessary. Tell Manon to show up… communicate… They made Manon look like the bigger person bc they couldn’t simply tell her or communicate like adults. I struggled to dislike Manon even tho her behaviour bothered me bc she was apologetic. I started disliking some of the other girls who were once my faves like Sophia for the dirty looks (she my bias wrecker now bc like they all said “we r literally fine🐬🌈”).
I also think that foreigners dont quite understand what they are getting themselves into unless they are more east asian background but even so foreigners defo seem to struggle to get to grips with the general kpop system
Another reason Adela is getting the smokes now is because after DA when the final members were selected, she took pictures and congratulated other girls, ignoring Manon (then no one had this context and there was already rumours of cliques and exclusion going round among viewers). They called her out and she said she wasn't close to Manon (which is fair) but a mere congratulation is having good sportsmanship, and she was rude about it on twitter or x (whatever you call it). Naisha's case sterms from the fact that she left a shady comment on Lara's IG, allegedly shading Manon.
i watched the whole show before going online to see the discussion and was so surprised to find out that adela was villainised when really, she was just speaking hard facts and wasnt even being mean or nasty about it. it shocks me how ppl so quickly take things out of context just to find a reason to jump on someone
@@sydney6818 exactly 😂😂😂. Her internalized 👀ism is showing. She always does this and is always the first to defend the other side during discussions like this.
this just tells me that this is a biased video and yall didn’t here a single thing the hybe x geffen staff said about their reasons of letting adela go. there were even less talented people who passed adela but yall only wanna attack manon. yall are blaming manon over a desicion that was decided by judges and audiences if yall wanted adela there yall should’ve voted for her
@@LookuHanzullike who? The final group in my opinion is the best outcome. However I wanna hear who u think should take Manon’s spot, because I’m tell you right now it’s not Adela.
I mean, but you should also point out the fact that they all worked it out since the conversation they had. People grow and learn, she holds accountability and that's important too. And you're missing few points: Adela was eliminated because of the public, not producers and that is a sad true that multiple talented people face in the industry, if you don't have appeal to the public, you'll hardly make it. Manon was kept there because the producers noticed the public loved her, if she was at the bottom of public votes, trust me, she would have been eliminated since first mission. And last but definitely not least, although the frustration was very valid, it wasn't cool for them talking behind Manon's back when Manon clearly never said anything bad about none of them and even said she loved them, and also it's not Manon's fault that she was a fan favorite (wich is btw the reason why she stepped it up and got serious because at first she thought she wouldn't make it as she felt the other girls were extremely good). Either way, the final lineup was the one making more synergy and the girls seem to be very close and working very good together, hopefully they have major success in the near future. ☺
(i have not finshd the video) People refuse to acknowledge this show is filmed over a year. Assuming adela is just a hater because the show shows her talking about manon doesnt mean she IS.
They framed her badly in one edit with that Naisha girl. I still support her but we know how immature kpop stans can be and hated on her for way too long
@@markigirl2757 honestly i still would like to know what were they asking them and how long they filmed on that beach with Adela and Naisha. All we got from it was the 10 sec video of Adela talking which made her look bad once again might have been cut out of context since we can't see anything else from that interview with them.
yesss call out the toxic kpop stans! i will also remind myself more that i don’t know context or who the person really is whenever i see short clips of idols so as not to make a snap judgement of them
Manufactured drama in survival shows are cheap gimmicks very much like how bad horror movies use jumpscares. The most successful shows or shows that had the most successful seasons were when contestants were authentic and could complain about unfair treatments and ACTUALLY have it listened to. Real authentic drama that isn't soul destroying.
It kinda felt like you was putting a bad light on manon I just felt like everyone is valid and the people that are older got exactly what they wanted when they filmed this
I haven't watched the show, nor am i that big of a fan of KATSEYE, but from the clips I've watched of Adela in this video, where she's eliminated, but still encourages the other girls and tells them that they are more than this one group, and they don't *need* it. She seems like such a natural leader and a girls' girl. If she debuts with a different group she'll definitely be the leader.
this whole manon situation, the way the company treated her so obviously favourably and the way all the fans jumped to defend her and still turn a blind eye to genuine criticism about her really shows just how far pretty privilege alone can get you....
Another person they did dirty towards the end was Lexie…the way they tried to make it look like they were letting her go,when she told them she wanted to quit…like what?!
Hope all you Adela stans are supporting her solo work! She didn’t make it and Manon did, end of. Go support your fave instead of writing think pieces and videos. The girls are fine, they said this. Adela has (hopefully) moved on.
She wasn’t a racist just jealous, Adela just didn’t have super star quality, she is extremely talented but she is wasn’t memorable (for me) . And I still don’t understand why Manon needed to take accountability for something she had no control and over( fan voting and perceptions) why shud she have to show feel sorry because people like her regardless of her talent makes no sense nd her work ethic maybe questionable but it’s still no reason to be mad group nd down talk someone nd make them feel shut out wen they are actually trying (damn a bitch can’t be sick and chill with my ppls) she showed in each challenge they she was learning. Adela and Emily were just not gonna translate well in camera Thts why no one really voted for them, Lara and Sophie (smh) but i get it they were all friends cute
And y’all saying imagine being in a group with Manon after what she did , imagine being in a. Group with a bunch of girls who treated you or made you feel a way the way they did. This goes both ways. It was a bad call to release this documentary in my opinion. But yeah talking shit about someone after being eliminated and continue to do so that’s why she got dragged
girl sit down. watch the video, watch the documentary if you need that, read the interview Adela did when they asked her about Pop star academy and if you still think she's just bluntly talking shit, YOU are the problem.
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I feel like a million things happened I need to mention:
1. Adéla debuted her new single today, which is so good, the chorus was stuck in my head for weeks when she was promoting it (istg I feel like lady gaga and britney had a baby) if you wanna support it click here:
open.spotify.com/track/7904wbV03rb4S0gGliqBk4?si=f175860e00b44a79
or her channel:
th-cam.com/video/antEtIjkYqc/w-d-xo.html
2. Thank you Eunchae for your time as Music Bank's host, you did amazing despite everything that was going on! Crongrats to ILLIT's Minju who will be carrying the torch onwards, wishing you the best.
3. No, I am still not feeling Katseye as a group until I get better music but I will say, words cannot convey the amount if love and respect I have for Sophia and Lara. I absolutely adore them. And Megan and Daniella are such stage presence queens. I'll see as time progresses if I'll like their music.
4. The NWJNS live: Honestly I am so tired of talking about MHJ and her sick tactics to get into the claws of these children and their equally ridiculous parents. I will say, if you think they did the live all on their own accord, you are delusional. It is not a coinsidence that this live happened at the cusp of ILLIT's comeback. I feel like one of three things is happening here in my opinion; either a) NWJNS are not being given the accurate information about what MHJ has done (I mean her literal CRIMES, and the way they talked about copyright and all, it is likely they are just not aware of what is really going on) and how her behaviour has affected other groups, or two: they know and do not care and are just horrible people, or three: they are being blackmailed into doing this, because they may be young but they aren't dumb. You could never make me defend someone who called my groupmates names and justified SA unless you have something on me or my group. MHJ is sick and no amount of "wanting good music" for NWJNS will justify that. These are young kids need to be protected. K-pop failed to do that when we told you MHJ is unsafe and now again fans refuse to protect them, what will they think when they are older and start seeing things clearly? HYBE is definitley no saint in this either because the protection of these girls should have been a priority and honestly, I do not htink it's being taken seriously. The "well they wanna be with her so let's issolate them" attitude is not productiove either. I understand that there is a possibility that their hands are tied because of the girls' parents but at least look like you are trying. Lastly, I do not judge people who are running out of sympathy for NWJNS, while yes they are kids, their constant mentioning of MHJ's in support of her must be frustrating for them. I also feel, as terrible as it sounds, that as fans (not companies) but as fans, the only way to save these girls is to abandon them completely and pray, then maybe, their parents will have so common sense and rethink keeping their children linked to MHJ (unless they are being blackmailed or something because at this point, anything is a possibility). She is shameless enough to wanna take NWJNS down with her if she doesn't get what she wants. I still compassion towards them because I know how hard it is to free yourself from manipulation especially at a young age, and I continue to hold hope that someday, someway, they'll be free of MHJ.
4. Billboard and New York Post's ranking of LISA's VMA performace: I will never understand NYP's hate boner with BLACKPINK in general. Calling LISA a K-flop... what kind of language is that? Accusing LISA of lip-syncing when we all heard her sing live, the issue was the loud backtrack, on top of that her performance was good saying "she left us wondering how she got invited" when she is 1/4 of the most popular girl group in the world right now is a joke. If you are going to review a performance, and tell us why it is bad, try to articulate yourself like you have some common sense and proffesionalism. But I am not too bothered by it because if I've learned anything about LISA, when people pull stunts like this, she always proves them wrong.
And that's it. Hope you are having an amazing weekend, I love you guys so much and am grateful for the amount of outpouring support on my recent content. God Bless.
I've been seeing multiple bunnies say Hybe has been mistreating and sabotaging Newjeans which I believe to be false. Yes I agree Hybe could have taken extra measures to ensure the protection of the girls, but to say they are sabotaging them seems extreme.
When I asked them how Newjeans were being mistreated this is the reply I got: @Scarlitoons:low promotions, guarding problems, taking away the only one there for them and actually helping the girls grow. their new CEO does not care about their music, of you had seen the live new jeans.
I stated Hybe funded them which helped provide their mv's, concept's, advertisements, endorsement deals, promotion activities, etc?
They replied: Bro Newjeans overshadowed Leserafim which BSH made so he jealous of their success even making illit to copy newjeans. Yeah BSH is a child😂i told u he jealous of Newjeans success cause they overshadowed lesserafim ( they are still amazing group tho). Its not about the money anymore its about that the group he made lesserafim is being overshadowed by MHJ group so he also made illit to copy newjeans formula.
They truly believe Hybe did NOTHING for Newjeans and that MHJ was the only one there for them. They think she saved them, so if the girls want her back she should come back.
@@everglowup your opinion about the newjeans topic is interesting. i wish you made a video about this!!
Would you make a video about the last two ?? im so tired of how people making hating on bp and the members look so normal , and i think the guy who wrote that has a problem with lisa cause latter billboard upload another review of lisa performance ( wich someone else wrote it ) and they just praised her and another things most of people that talked about her lip syincing , say it was lip because she didnt struggled , like are you serious ???
4. NYP wondering how Lisa got invited, meanwhile her MTV VMA performance is the most watched on TH-cam and other social media. 🥱
Why are you defending hybe
Can we also talk about how messed up it is to give the girls a “therapist” and FILM IT?!?!? I say “therapist” bc in my personal opinion as someone who works in medical malpractice there is no legitimate therapist who would say this is healthy and a good practice. It’s lip service. I hate survival shows and I never can finish them bc it just feels dystopian.
i don't even work in medical fields but in my work i need access to my clients' health records and clinician contacts. even just getting a doctor to confirm they've met a patient requires a whole consent process with clear guidelines. we have yearly government mandated trainings on the release of information like this. i can't imagine what type of legitimate psychologist would agree to publicizing this type of sensitive material.
I feel like ppl online blew the whole "manon was bullied" thing so out of proportion. I understand both sides. Sophia and the other girls are frustrated their hard work isn't being acknowledged by the audience and manon is frustrated their feelings towards the voting is being taken out on her. It's weird
Sophia was a lock no matter what. She's consistently #1 or #2 on fan votes, and consistently #1 on performance during Dream Academy. For T&D she was always in the top 6.
manon also wasn't raised in competitive training environments unlike the others. she's also from switzerland, which is a country that teaches the value of work life balance. it's likely that manon was simply unfamiliar, and subsequently ignorant, to the situation that she was in. she probably had no idea how she came off to the others, who were rightfully upset. manon did have to wake up to reality, but she wasn't malicious, i can't really think of her as a bad guy. just someone who had to adjust.
@@keirorin the cultural difference is something I hadn't even thought of. I know when Americans work abroad we often get judged for actually wanting to leave work at 5pm, and Switzerland puts even more emphasis on work life balance than America
@@yoyeojin1747 I don't think that's quite what the issue is. Sophia and Lara rank highly with the audience as well, so why would they feel they aren't being recognized? Maybe on Adela's behalf, but Sophia mentioned this being something they've talked to Manon about before. There's a reason nobody wanted to work with Manon.
No, I believe the frustration comes from the fact that Manon didn't value or prioritize being there for rehearsals. It is so. Much. Extra. Work. On all the other girls when one misses rehearsal. Having to learn multiple versions of each number, having to space and respace, teach and reteach, clean and reclean everything. It wastes everyone's time and hinders their ability to progress and train their own skills because they have to constantly go back for Manon, adjust for her, revolve practices around her, etc. It is so exhausting.
So Manon showed all of them that she doesn't value or respect them or their time and effort, and is totally fine screwing everybody else over if it means she gets to stay home by the pool all day. She's not a team player. Doesn't even want to live with them.
And then they get to the surprise survival show and Manon is 4th or whatever in the polls. Especially when someone who has put in the time, has always been there, has lifted up everyone around her and goes out of her way to help the others succeed... is last.
The frustration with Manon was there long before the survival show, it just bubbled over with how unfair the voting situation was.
I don't understand why Manon was upset though. Maybe she was feeling attacked or like it was being taken out on her. But again, Sophia mentioned talking with her about it before. Is she upset that the others are frustrated that they need to work twice as hard for her to get her special treatment? I don't know. I might have gotten to hear Manon's feelings... if she had bothered to show up to the therapy session.
Like I said in another comment, I'm confused why the documentary chose to highlight just how bad Manon would be in a girl group, when the editors knew she was in the group. Maybe they have plans to replace her and wanted to show why? I don't know. I sincerely hope she's become a team player and respects her fellow members now.
you could tell that all of the girls LOVED Adéla, she was super talented and charismatic, not to mention her work ethic.
her helping hinari during the “pink venom” practice shows her character… I hate what the producers did to her, painting her as a villain and damaging her image after her elimination.
also she released a new song today, it’s her debut and I really love it 😭 she was my favorite contestant
@@melsgf3790 omg where can I listen to it and whats the name ??
@@thatone._.stayblink Cheryl linked it in the pinned comment
@@thatone._.stayblink it’s called “HOMEWRECKED” by Adéla and it’s on spotify and TH-cam
i COULDNT believe adela was eliminated so early, i wasnt even watching the show, but i was rooting for her after i saw her pink venom fancam, i thought for sure with her stage presence and talent that she would make it...
As a Polish person, I really don't understand the backlash for Adela wanting more Slovakian representation. I would also love more Polish representation in global entertainment, no matter what skin color said Polish person would have. I would feel wayyy more represented by a black Polish artist than a random white American girl. In most of the world, it's the nationality that is more of your identity rather than race. In many countries, you wouldn't even consider your race a part of your identity. After thinking about it wayyy too much, I think the whole issue arises from the cultural differences of how people identify themselves and what makes them feel represented between the US and the rest of the world.
The backlash is they don't think Slovakian, they think White, and therefore Bad Racist Race.
Therefore "social justice" which is NOT justice led them to cheering for bad against good.
I'm also Polish and I think the same way. Some people fail to recognize that representation doesn't necessary mean the skin colour.
@@zuzaj7054 But you’re still white at the end of the day. Adela is the only one complaining but she forgot that some of these girls comes countries as small as Slovakia such as Switzerland or Byelorussia. Her comment was just out of place, especially they were at this moment in the USA.
Many misunderstand that there are varying white people by standards of America, and yea there are small countries where some girls would like representation. Think it’s just an underlying projection as our representation is always a topic in which we are either completely disregarded or told we are doing too much 💀
Why are y’all begging for national representation in the USA? As I said, at the end of the day, y’all are white. Did you see Melanesians, Africans, Arabs, or even dark-skinned people in that room? Yet, it’s the white girls with blonde hair who are complaining about the lack of representation. This sounds off to many people. Moreover, why is Manon treated as an African American when she’s not? She’s from a small country in Europe, like Adela, and is mixed.
So interesting, reading your comments. Adela is Slavic and Eastern Europeans are definitely letting it be known that there are as much distinctions to being classified "white" in that part of the world, especially as she was specifically put in a versus situation with the bi-racial Manon, who is from possibly the poshest part of Europe (Switzerland). Yes, I did watch all episodes of the documentary and I too had issues with what you brought up as well. Adela was obviously representing her nation through herself (one person in a very specific situation), she brought it up in her video (she had a lot of airtime). She was possibly the most mature of the trainees - the instructors could rely on her, the girls looked up to her, she herself showed up day in/day out. How it panned out was not a conundrum: KPOP is more/less a youth market and her type of maturity did not pass the marketability of KPOP stans, hence her voting was always on the low end. HYBE can say that she was "meant" to be a soloist blah blah blah but she thrived being in a group, being with the other girls so their reasoning does not pass the smell test. She just wasn't meant to be in THIS GG, especially if they don't change the music they're pushing out right now. Sorry, when I first heard Touch, my first thought was HYBE was giving them a version of ILLIT's Magnetic and to prove my point, they played Magnetic in the documentary. It was a reinforcement to how they mean to market Katseye. Anyway, the silo-ing of HYBE's divisions (or they should be but in reality they are not) is a topic to be tackled in another MV. Thanks.
@@edwinatakasaki2258 yeah, I like to think they just said she was meant to be a soloist to give her a boost. They knew she was perfect for a girl group because her work ethic, mother vibes, and her ability to bring people together, and also knew those skills translate to being a soloist as well, and she's talented enough to make being a soloist work.
Them saying "we only eliminated her because she was last in the voting" and "she was always meant to be a soloist" was to show/ tell the audience that this girl is talented, deserved it, and to go support her. It was an apology and a boost to someone they genuinely wanted to work with and got screwed over by their surprise survival show.
At least that's what I like to think.
Kpop fans never fail to disappoint me
Same
@@Xile179 same bro
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This is also why I think it was kinda shady that they released the doc way after the group was picked. The majority of the audience is going to be already fans of the group, so it’s going to be edited in a way that benefits the current group. Also HYBE was going to have Manon in the group whether it was fair or not, they literally scouted her, which wasn’t fair to the other contestants.
What do you mean by that? Manon isn’t the only one scouted? Manon debuted because of her fan votes btw. If it’s just the judges score that matters, she will not debut. It will be Emily who would debut.
@@aiaaeaoi Manon and Laura were the only ones scouted, and they are the in the group. Use your brain to fill in the blanks.
The docu literally showed us that Manon is in the group because of the fan votes. In the finale, none of the judges chose her as their pick. Lara was scouted and is both the judges and the voters pick. There's a difference here. Not saying Manon doesn't deserve her place, but her fans got her in the group. Not because she was scouted or because it's Hybe's wish.
@@VDO-ty3bw life isn’t fair, some contestants were in program longer than other trainees, some contestants spoke english while some couldn’t. they all had advantages and disadvantages in this competition also lara was scouted as well. if this was about fairness everyone would’ve started out at the exact same time with the same skill set.
@@starling93that’s true but there’s truth to Manon always going to be in the group. Or at least they were going to try. It’s not always up to the judges that’s always seen. THEY scouted MANON. Lara was scouted too but she had a musical background. Manon was just pretty. And they sent someone to HER and allowed her to do a lot of stuff that no one else did. She was gonna be in the group. It’s always up to the higher ups, not just the judges. Yes fans too but the directors and execs choose too.
I just know people are gonna be mad about the video title but it is so so accurate. If Adela and Manon had been the same race, everybody would have understood Adela's perspective easily. But because Adela is white and Manon is black, people just reverted to the default reaction of "a racist white girl attacking a successful black girl" but that is simply not what was happening here.
I dont think thats true because people dont like Naisha for the same reason
@@sasasavage5047 No, people dislike Naisha because of the shady comments she made immediately after DA.
@sasasavage5047 yeah people were for sure hating on Naisha too (and Sophia and Lara), but what I mean is the type of hate targeting Adela was a particular type of hate. It was almost all focused on race. She was written off as a "jealous racist white girl" immediately, people just projected a race issue onto something that had nothing to do with skin color and it could have been really damaging to Adela's reputation. The hate the other girls got was wrong too but people took the opportunity to get the extra dig in for Adela because she was the white girl in the situation and it was easy to be like "she's a racist"
@@bluetheon honestly now that we have context, I think their criticism is fair, but how they went about it is kind of kinky, but I understand her feelings and it is very valid.
But the reason a lot of Manon fans doesn't like her is because of her action immediately after DA.
She was at the venue where the final members were selected and she, didn't cheer when Manon was called, took pictures with other members and excluded Manon, congratulated everyone except her.
When they called her out she said they weren't close, which is fair. But when they tried to tell her congratulating someone even if you are not close to them is just being a good sportsman, she replied rudely making herself look like a sore loser.
Glad she's doing well for herself now and hopefully they'd get over their differences, they were young and under and immerse amount of pressure and a lot of people will do the same or even worst
@Bae-t8p yeah I definitely get what you're saying, but I just can't help but think I'd be bitter too if I'd been there since the beginning, worked my ass off, got consistently rated at the top by the judges, only to get zero support from the public while someone who skipped practice gets tons of votes 😭 btw I am in no way saying Manon deserves hate, your last paragraph pretty much sums it up - it was an extremely high pressure situation and I don't think any of them should be forever defined by how they handled it, what they said or didn't say etc. We all have conflict and tension like this in our lives at some point but most of us don't have to deal with thousands of people's opinions on top of it all 😅
I loved Adela in the show. I was truly puzzled of how a lot of people viewed her so badly.
Same, I even rooted for her aswell
Have you seen her lips
@@anavasquez5231 u really hatin on her natural lips?
@@mariasol1545 Wow. The sisterhood showing their true colors?
@@tsuchinokooo hating anyone from the show is so forced. It seemed like the producers had to work hard to create any kind of narrative with any drama-which in the end reflects positively on all the trainees
i also think something to keep in mind is that adéla is from eastern europe, and in europe in general race is *not* viewed in the same way as it is in america. in the u.s. adéla is labeled white, but back home in europe she's simply slovakian. because of that her concept of "race" is going to be different than someone who was raised in the u.s. and it is unfair to treat her the same and expect the same of her as someone of an american background.
I feel like if she had a more natural look in her face hybe might have given her more of a chance.. like they did with Brooklyn. Hate to say it but hybe cares a lot about visuals...
Tbh I think the only reason they hated her was bcs she was Eastern European. As sb from the region we aren't exactly the favoured part of the world by people from America. It's not a fashionable to them as being Italian or French and honestly.
Slavs always fight for representation, because we don't get much and when we do it's not always favourable.
Hell in the new Beetlejuice movie they called Maria Skłodowska-Curie FRENCH! She was polish and proud of it. Like born, raised and lived there 23 years. It's not cute to be slavic sadly, that's why I feel empathy for her.
What you said is true, race is only an American concept and nobody in this region unless exposed to American culture, because well no country in the region colonised and there was no systemic racism ever.
@@duqial 100% agree about eastern european features and their culture not being considered as desirable here in the states. i'm american, but my ethnic background is predominantly polish and german, so i have some eastern european features. (people also often mistake me for russian because of my name and features) and i certainly don't fit the "euro-centric american beauty standards" that people complain about in the states all the time.
it's sad because i find eastern europe a fascinating region that is very unique and different from westerrn europe, but a lot of americans just lump all of europe into the category of racist imperialistic countries. which if you actually look at the history of eastern europe couldn't be further from the truth. (the english word 'slave' literally comes from the slavic people!)
the whole situation just makes me hang my head in shame at how my fellow americans are behaving. does american culture have a lot of influence, yes; but not every country is like america, and that's what makes this world so beautiful.
I do see the producers are trying to paint Adela as a "sore loser", but they were quite fair because they also showed how Adela was helping and loved by all the other trainees too. I feel like the issue is that most k-pop stans are not used to seeing idols as humans with mixed range of emotions so it translated badly as if Adela is bitter.
Honestly, she has full right to feel "sore" about all of this imo. But I 100% agree with you
Yes, I think the main issue is that what happened between all of the trainees was a little bit complex. There was no straightforward villain.
The hatred of Adéla was so forced because we know if these girls were the same race, or more importantly if their races were swapped, this wouldn't be an issue.
Just the fact that nobody is mad at Sophia when she was also talking about Manon ans she was the one that actually confronted her and they were all talking in a circle... it wouldn't look good to hate on her I guess.
@@maddylee444 what do you men no hate she literally received so much backlash even her recent IG post bombarded with hate comments.
@@maddylee444 Sophia and Lara were both bashed. Lara even had to address it. Stop making things up
@@maddylee444SOPHIA and LARA got eaten up alive 😭 it was bad. they were called racists and mean girls
@@maddylee444 stop making shit up
Thank you for covering this issue with such logical and complex explanation. For me as a Czech person (we used to be Czechoslovakia, so we're still a little similar in terms of mentality), it was evident from the start that what Adéla meant was that other countries, such as European countries, are not well represented in this worldwide enterntainment that is dominated by Americans and that she wishes for more representation - not skin colour wise but nationality wise. But since the majority of kpop stans who watch these kinds of shows watch them from American perspective where everything is essentially about race, it was quite obvious what the outcome of Adéla's statement would be. It wasn't even surprising because we were served the opinion we should have on silver platter by the production team which is really sad because Adéla seems like a really nice girl who just wanted to be a singer but now she has to deal with the consequences of stupidly edited video.
Also, as you mentioned Lisa in your pinned comment... I don't know.. I have to disagree a little. She is such a great performer and singer as well, I don't understand why she had to have such a loud back track- she didn't even dance that much. But that would not even be the problem, I just feel like the performance was a bit underwhelming?... I expected more dynamics from her performance, but that's just my personal subjective opinion which does not come from the the place of hate. I just expected much more from such a big star.
EDIT: Also!! Thank yosu for making videos, your perspective and opinions are refreshing during these times hehehe.
As a Polish person I also felt kind of represented by Adéla
I think people here, America, know little next to nothing about that part of the world and the stablishment is trying to erase so hards "white" and european culture that hurts, specially because it is part of the roots of America.
The hate towards Adela was so weird to me. When I watched the 5th episode, I didn’t think once about her being a blonde haired white girl, or that she was jealous. It was so obvious that she was trying to show representation for her nation. Even as a black American, I understood that. To minimize this to a “she’s white, so she can’t speak on a black person” is just so immature. Especially when it was shown in the episode that, besides Manon getting sick, she stopped coming to practices, would sleep in, wouldn’t take the training seriously which would make her fall further behind in the skill level between her and the rest of the girls, and yet she still had high ratings and made it into the group. I’m happy she picked up her own slack, I’m actually happy she’s in the group. But this type of mindset is what sets the black community back so much. Deeming all of the things that seem unfair to us as “racism” is not going to push us further. Sometimes, our race is the reason why we’re overlooked or the complete opposite. But in this situation, it was clear that Adela was significantly more talented than Manon and she was simply expressing her frustrations about the voting as was all of the girls. She’s not racist. And to be fair, the entire process of this project was unfair in multiple ways than just this situation. I hope Adela and Katseye achieve great success.
She never said it was racism? She actually tried to do better and even talked nicely to the other girls and hugged them
@@inessladia5747 I meant how the fans were taking it
agree thats y these survival shows are so messy these days, altho ive been enjoying boysplanet much more due to it not being as toxic. I hope they release a korean song cause their songs sound like an early 00s english only pop song thats why I was confused as to why its considered "kpop" or not theyre not exactly a korean aimed group per se. but i wish them good luck as well bc kpop generally is harsh on its idols and so are knetz
To your last point:
I was happily enjoying the show in the beginning. There was something very cool about the idea of exposing people from other backgrounds to the fabled KPOP regime of training. I was totally onboard! I wish I had found out about all of it sooner!
And then that troll of a producer shows up and openly attempts to justify manipulating these young women and pitting them against each other in pure Mean Girls fashion.
The tone shifted completely. You could see the heartbreak in the contestants' eyes. This is NOT what they signed up for. This was a disgusting assault on their dreams. Some took it on the chin and rolled with it. Some became casualties of it. But it is ridiculous to me to infuse "reality" show tactics into what was a really great idea. You're forming a group that will spend the coming years together working their backsides off. Why would you attempt to shove animosity and infighting into that recipe?
The plan was clearly brought about by the hollow little hag producer who laughed about it like it was just good fun.
These contestants were aged 14-21. Their lives are dramatic enough.
@@lothwicke yeah I thought that was absolutely disgusting. They wanted to implement the idea of American reality tv into it and that was such a horrible idea. Lexi dissociating is what really broke me
I'd like to point out one thing as a Slavic girl. We don't really associate with the term white. We're Slavic. Abd as a Slavic person, who loved Adela, i was rooting for her so much. I felt represented because of her presence and motivation and passion
@@양송-k2g so what race are you guys then?
@@1024sofia we consider ourselves Slavic. That's what I said. We don't associate people with the color of their skin, we don't group people like that (unless you come across someone who's ignorant/racist but I'm talking about the general people). People of darker skin in Poland would be offended if you call them a *color* person. That's why people of African descent born and raised in Poland don't like to be called black. They'd tell you to look at the black ink on paper and ask "am I that color? No". We use our nationalities to describe who we are. I'm not white because I don't look like a white peace of paper, I'm Polish because I come from Poland and because I come from Poland I'm Slavic. That's it. Outside of America it looks a bit different, it's cultural. I tried my best to explain this as English isn't my first language, I hope you respect how it is here. Being told all the time that "you're just white, what the fuck is Slavic" is tiring
@@1024sofia there's bunch of white ppl in america that call themseves latino thinking that's a race
@@1024sofia Tbh, myself as a Slavic person I don't even identify myself as Slavic as much. My identity is just Polish. Maybe I would think of myself (just a little) as Slavic. And I am white but being white is not a part of my identity. Like, being Polish or even Slavic says stuff about my culture, language, history etc. But I wouldn't feel connected with other white people just for the fact of being the same color, if that makes sense? I would feel way more represented on a global stage by a black Polish person or e.g. a random foreign-born Asian who just happen to be very enthusiastic about Poland and speaks the language than a random white American girl with whom I seemingly have nothing in common besides the color of my complexion.
Not all identify with race, as it comes from race theory which is an inherently bigoted way of thinking by some guy.
Dude!!! The thumbnail is so pretty!!!!
I love it 😂 so smart
@Lila_Officialroachqueen ??
Is very toxic and mean
Something I’ve noticed A LOT, is that peoples who says the (uncomfortable) truth and addresses the “elephant in the room”, is that they’re always painted as the Villains 🙂
Yeah and it's so weird and realistically if you where in any of their positions you would feel the same
@@lolano3392 EXACTLY. Like… Let’s not act like we wouldn’t be upset too if we ever had to be in the same situation as them, because that’s a huge lie 😭
She left and was still talking shit about Manon ! Like be fr
@ Want me to be real with you? Manon hasn’t behaved exactly the best in the past, it’s a fact really, but she’s still one of the members I like the most in Katseye because people can grow out from their past selves and become better as time goes by and she has lots of to give (plus she’s funny), but Adéla wasn’t entirely wrong in the time span of the events that happened in the video. Just this 🙌🏻
What’s currently happening between them after the time span of this video’s events, it’s honestly none of my concern nor I care because:
1. They aren’t my responsibility.
2. They already went their separates way.
And if it’s THAT serious for them, they will (and should) resolve it like adults by talking things between themselves. If they don’t sort it out that’s on them, not me 🤷🏻♀️
I didn't know any of the girls or the controversies before this vid popped up on my FYP. But I believe, not even regarding her Slovak pride, any thinking Slavic woman who spent most of her life in a Slavic country would feel Adela right away. Americanized racial politics that rotted most of the international k-pop stans would never allow people to even try and find out what it's like to be, yes, white, and yet dirtier, not even white enough to other whites, what it's like to try and break into industries that had painted you, a Slavic woman, either as a prоstitute or an obedient wife for decades -- that's literally all the repersentation there is, she was right to say Americans can't experience that. And that's leaving out the obvious: the poverty of the majority of the Slavic countries compared even to Western Europe, the lack of opportunities, the doubled amount of hard work required to ever get out and survive abroad which are the issues that, as far as I get it, these people are convinced only POC could experience.
This!!! People are so quick to deny whichever opinions and thoughts slavic people have about representation just because we are white. Wait until they find out that not all white people look the same and people from different areas in europe actually have distinct features.
@@inlovewithlifeflowers And have different history
💯💯💯
I mean most Americans probably never heard of Slavics since we only care about our history lol
THIS!!!
My takeaway from this situation is not about race or preferential treatment, but how the girls were sold a lie about hard work and burnout yielding results in a superficial industry. I think it's great that a girl like Manon was thrown in as a wrench to the system because ultimately, this was a very eye-opening experience for both the girls and viewers alike.
💯
I hope the documentary make less people want to enter the industry because it is brutal and unfair.
I feel like everyone is missing the point. NONE of the girls deserve hate. They were all in a difficult situation as young as nineteen or twenty years old. It’s weird seeing yall shift the hate from Adéla to Manon now 😭 the actual problem is the way in which the producers pit the girls against each other. Putting girls in a public, worldwide voting system was highly unethical. The reality is every girl, understandably, reacted in the most human way to the most unhealthiest, toxic environment imaginable. If the problem is the fans too (which it is) then make that clear, yall. Blaming the girls for something they have no control over is wild..
@@brandonry2599 1000% agree.
She’s not shifting the hate, she’s stating the complex truth and is rightfully putting the blame on the company and fans
@@dokessezeaka5159 yes, which is totally right! But I’ve seen ppl in this comment section call Manon talentless and undeserving of her spot :/ which is not okay
@@brandonry2599 yh that agree it sucks when people can’t get over needing to hate or put the blame on someone because they crave drama
THANK YOUUU people don’t understand that the person that spent the most time with the girls (Missy) said herself that she wouldn’t debu Manon due to her lack of proffesionalism / work ethic and even the fact that that she had to moove out of the house for rule breaking on multiple occasions just ads insult to injury
mind u by the end missy said she just need to put in more effort for her to debut… thing change manon was always gonna be in the group unlike Adela
@@anicah906 ofc she said that at this precise moment you don't talk badly about the final line up once it's been announced it would make the producers look like clowns. If manon was always gonna be part of the group as you said it only makes adela's comments about Manon even more pertinent
@@stoup7280well no lmao. Manon made it to the final line up bc she got her stuff together and worked for it. Plus if someone need to improve somewhere, a coach is gonna tell you lmao. So if she’s saying Manon improved and put the effort forward, then she improved and put the effort forward. Honestly just say you don’t like Manon and move on bc why even try to downplay her obvious improvements???
@@anicah906 she was not always going to be in the group I bet you $100 if Samara hadn’t had that scandal she probably would have been the choice instead of manon they wanted somebody from almost every ethnicity Manon was the replacement
@@lolano3392 if you look at all the designs for the group manon & Lexie were the only ppl that was there everytime😭 even when they did the white top photo shoot manon… that’s why they were so lenient with her bc they wanted her from the day she was found lmfao. Samara hardly had any screentime & manon was higher in votes most of the show
Adela, they will never make me hate you
I still don’t like her
Thanks for making this. Those who became Manon's fan before the doc came out are going around spreading false information about the documentary and trying to convince us that we didn't see what we saw in the documentary
As someone who was a fan of her prior to the documentary, it was extremely disappointing to see how she behaved during training and anyone who wants to scream racism to excuse her poor behavior is delusional.
Thank you, seeing hate towards adela from a teaser video on the internet was so uncalled for, and even after the show came out, it was out of pocket to bash her when she was the sweetest in the show
EDIT: I just saw she posted her new music video!!!
I watched and voted from the beginning, all we had was the videos hybe released of the mission only. So ofc The girls that sang seemed more talented. Its a shame she never got the chance to truly shine
Adela in the first mission stood out too much. Her clothes made her look bigger than she was and she was also dancing next to the two smallest Asian contestants… sometimes I wonder if the company did that to her on purpose
Omg ily the video theme
ikr lol
frr
Adela is going places. She was so missunderstood in this documentary. Wishing her all the success!!
You sure? When she got eliminated she was still talking shit and was being rude she got what she got
People complain about these survival shows all the time and just turn around and watch the next new one lol. I agree with this video.
I stopped watching survival shows for that reason as well, the prettiest would debut, the drama would happen in almost every single episode and it raises my blood pressure knowing a contestant I like would not be picked because of votes that don't make any sense.
What happened with Adéla doesn't surprise me because people think they can´t be racist and disrespectful to white people due to privilege but forget that even among white people there is prejudice and discrimination. Even if they were a different race/ethnicity, how is it that being racist and discriminatory towards white people makes you better than the ones they complain about?
Also, this is not he first time happening but has been happening several times where kpop fans will voice their disdain for certain attitudes and behaviours but as soon as they see a contestant or idol speak about it, they flip on them. It's honestly mental.
omg thank u they completely ignore how manon was rewarded for breaking rules and attacked and defended instead of actually building a bridge when she claimed to want to do so. INSANE
Manon DID build that bridge with the girls though. Why are people ignoring the fact that Manon got her shit together and worked hard to get to the level & meet the girls where they were????
Manon literally did go out of her way to build a bridge
Personal Theory: I feel like the only reason that the only reason that Manon ended up getting that conversation together in the end to make up with the girls was because the producers and execs knew she was going to be in the group. They wanted her to be in the group and she was lowkey going to be in it from the beginning with all the excusals they were giving her for behavior that they wouldn’t let slide from the other contestants. I think that it was them that likely prompted that conversation in the end, and to get it all on camera at that too so that way audiences could be swayed to like her again when she debuted despite previous behavior.
@@c.v.3025 They weren't giving her excuses. During Dream Academy and throughout Pop Star Academy, they brought up her missing rehearsals every chance they got and purposely failed to mention or downplayed her having COVID and consistently framed it as a dedication/laziness thing. Far from giving excuses - it came off almost as if they were deliberately trying to get people upset at her to the point where she had to "redeem" herself.
@@OGseoulitetrue, but she only got the opportunity after being given preferential that none of the other girls got. If it was one of the other girls who would miss practice or break rules frequently, they’d have gotten kicked out. Not given excuse after excuse until it happened upon them to get it together. They would be told, “well, now you know not to do that the next time, if you even get another chance.” I get that Manon is very hard working and present now, but I don’t think it’s inaccurate to say that if she wasn’t as pretty as she is or had as big of a social media following and made all of those mistakes, she would have been kicked out and not made it into the group. It is pretty privilege at its finest that got her through the show and into the group, (with a little bit of hard work sprinkled in at the end).
Also people blaming manon for ‘special treatment’ that’s what you blame the company for ! Thats not her fault and everyone getting mad was VALID but my thing is this if we gonna call it out. Call it out completely hold the adults accountable now that wouldve made me GAGG.
Right!! If anyone was in that position, they probably would react the same way as Manon. None of the contestants are the bad guys, it's the production. I personally think there should be no hate towards any of them.
THANK YOU!!! like…yes i’d be mad to if someone got scouted & was basically a for sure pick over me even though i’ve been there a year longer but any “special” treatment to manon is production, hype, etcs fault not manons. pretty privilege doesn’t even work as they’re all pretty yet lacked “star quality” (except lexie & lara imo). the girls needed to be mad at production & bang, but even if manon wasn’t there, adela wasn’t making the group as she’s more fitted for a solost & was already dead last in fan voting.
It's sad, but i can't see the group being any different, they complement each other so well and it seems that Manon really changed for the better, her vocals are pretty solid and the girl get along very well. So no need to hate Adéla or Manon, I love them both
the only villain is HYBE. I did not approve of Manon's behaviour at first but so much context is overlooked in that situation (which is understandable because it's a few hours out of 2 wholes years for the girls)
Kpop Stans are known for lacking common sense. The fact that people forget that what we saw and what was shown in the documentary was just a fraction of what happen during 2 or more years is baffling. Survival shows after documentaries all with evil editing and they still managed to give these big corporations the reaction they wanted. They still haven't learned a thing. Smh..
Guys, I love Adela, but I feel that with HYPE they always have an unrealistically beautiful person in their group. And tbh pretty people sell everywhere on screens. No matter whatever show, Manon would've been a part of the group. Like in ILAND they made extra effort to put in MAI in IZNA. The harsh truth is that she would've been selected. As a supporter of both Manon and Adela and understanding both sides, the group would not have gotten the hype it has gotten with Manon in it (because of her going viral). Adela will shine on her own I am sure
Exactly Adela wasn’t gone be in that group no matter what
Watching the show it's clear they built the group around Manon instead of making her prove her talent and that the deserved to be there.
I feel like people need to understand that not all the time with conflict there is a "villain".
I know some people are mad about Manon having a spot, buuuuuuut she just can’t be denied. Not just because of her face but you can get a good sense that her energy is dazzling as well. When you have a pretty face and a pretty heart, there’s no denying you like ever. You will always stand out
Which might be why she skipped practice. She probably knew she would be in the group considering she was Dm-ed. Still very bad work ethic-
@@tunamayhoe maybeee or because she was reached out to, she wasn’t like the other girls who were trying really hard. I know a lot of people don’t focus on spirituality but who says you have to work super hard to achieve anything? If you want, you can just be in the right place at the right time and just receive it.
@@Missjessica419 There is still preferential treatment, especially considering she was allowed to do what the other girls couldn't. You still have to put some work for things to go your way even if you're in the right place and time. Even if she wouldn't put her best on practices, if she showed up, she would've created a good relationship with them prior to debuting.
"Pretty heart"? 🤣
many pretty people have nasty characters bc everyone treats them well regardless and they become entitled to attention and goodies from people lol
was agreeing with a lot of your points until this part "she said in her confessional that she wanted to take accountability but none of that was shown in the conversation" not sure if you blacked out during the part where she literally said the following: "I will hold myself accountable and I'm sorry for missing classes" DURING the conversation (38:38 ep 7 )
"'her intentions for this conversation looked shallow and inauthentic" not sure how you're justifying this but I think her pulling the girls to talk was so mature and brave and I'm not sure if you've ever had to put yourself in front of 14 girls who you know resent you and apologise but that sounds intimidating af so give her some damn credit.
yeah ever since the documentary, i haven’t been able to stan manon because it felt like she took it seriously when she realized she had a real shot of debuting/being famous (i dont count tiktok fame as famous lol). it just feels lazy to me when everyone else put in the work from day one. and honestly, her work ethic only hurt her in the end because i’ve yet to see a live manon fancam where she doesn’t make choreo mistakes.
im sure she works hard now, but idk it puts a bad taste in my mouth how she handled the situation before and i was confused as to why everyone got mad at lara or sophia for rightfully calling manon out.
I think that’s a fair reaction.
I personally didn’t like her more after the documentary but still find her to be my favourite member. I felt it was very human and vulnerable for her to have those doubts beforehand and be inspired by the possibility of making it. I know people in my actual life also get demoralised by falling behind like Manon admits she did in the documentary and know how that can come across as frustrating irl to others but how debilitating that can be for the person in question.
I understand this to a point but at the end of the day they only showed us parts . We don’t know everything that happened it’s kind of hard to wrap of years of work in a 8 episode documentary series . I feel like the hate wasn’t justified for none of the girls . Plus there are many lives performances where Manon does great without any mistakes kcon being one of them . I do feel like a lot people took this documentary wrong. In my opinion all of those girls handled the situation wrong but they were young girls . Plus it I don’t necessarily believed it hurt her because ofc the had to continue practicing and training after they got picked.
If they wanted Adéla in the lineup, the mentors/producers or whoever decided the missions should've tried harder. Adéla is obviously really talented but she didnt stand out to me at all during dream academy. Overall i always thought the missions were not good at showcasing the girl's talent. So obviously people were gonna voted based on ethnicity and visuals.
they didn’t want her which is the gag, they kinda wasted her time. & agree, in that 1st mission she only did better than hinari. i did think she’d get another week though but would definitely be gone after the 2nd mission.
Adela just didn’t fit the group from the start and that’s the truth
as someone from a slavic country, the lack of representation is basically a matter for all of us (besides maybe russia?), but i do think even though adela made valid points, she was exaggerating a bit at times. while twisting her words and claiming she complains about lack of white representation also bothers me, i think national and racial representation aren’t equally important. while people from my country get excited at any mention of us anywhere in the industry, because we tend to be forgotten, i would never compare it to the lack of racial/ethnic representation, especially in an industry that puts huge beauty standards on women. i think that’s also why some people online jumped to those conclusions.
coming down to work ethic it does amaze me how no one wants to put even a little responsibility on manon considering even their teacher ended up thinking she wouldn’t add her to the group based on it. i think manon had way less determination as a trainee, because she never auditioned herself and didn’t seem like someone who necessarily wanted to be an artist. i think the production putting her in the center of attention at times gave her reassurance she would get in. at the end i think she realized how serious it was and improved which i’m glad about, because even though i’m not particularly intrigued by her voice or dance skills, i do think a person like her with an “aura” is a good thing for the group. kinda like victoria beckham in spice girls, till this day people joke about her not being able to sing but i do think she was an iconic member. however it’s 100% true pretty privilege plays a huge part in how fans portray her and her actions.
the lack of representation is matter for all of us from slavic countries. It's hard to be represented in pop culture/global music even for Russian in other way than Russian mafia or prostitutes. I don't think she was exaggerating a bit since she didn't talk about race at all but nationality.
@@Nicole-ep1vt i literally included the first statement in my comment. i meant exaggerating in general, cause it was showing she did not like manon and even though everyone was rightfully frustrated with her i feel like adela took it personally. and yeah having national representation feels good, but it is not as necessary as racial or ethnic representation and considering there were indian girls in the program not talking about it as much as adela made it seem a bit exaggerated at least to me, especially with her commenting on little girls from her country getting to know they have a chance when they literally see thousands of girls like them in the industry cause it’s not like nationality is some barrier for making it.
@@loonaism6177 While I don't know which Slavic country you're from, it's important to recognize that just because people may look similar doesn't mean they share the same experiences or culture. Eastern Europeans/Slavic people, have distinct cultural backgrounds and lead lives that are quite different from those in Western countries. Especially compared to American lives. While there are certainly commonalities and things we can bond over... our upbringing, values, mentality, and societal expectations differ significantly. Nationality can indeed be a barrier, and to overlook this is to dismiss the challenges faced by people who are trying to make it in global music industry. If you don't believe this to be true, it's likely you've never truly experienced what it's like to make your way as a Slavic person in these environments.
@@moncica1998 idk what culture has to do with it, i have never heard someone having it hard making it just because they’re slavic lol, what difference in making it is between us and someone from idk germany for example?
@@loonaism6177 Okay, let me ask you a question first before I will answer. We're talking about the global music industry here. You said you've never heard of someone having a hard time making it just because they're Slavic. So, who has made it in the global music industry as Slavic? Because I can't, for the life of me, think of anyone remotely relevant who’s actually from a Slavic country.
THANK YOU for presenting all this in such an informed and non biased way because so many people online are still talking from sides and not helping the group or Adela.
I hit subscribe so fast.
OMG the editing eats, glad you came back
I agree with everything said, honestly it was tiring to see tiktok after tiktok talking about the "Manon hate" as if it wasn't mildly justifiable from the other contestant's perspectives. The group is obviously amazing and they all are continuing to put a lot of hard work into their music but damn watching the documentary and seeing these behaviors was mad irritating.
Ok ? So it was ok for those 3 gorl to keep talking shit about Manon and being rude ? The Manon hate was very force ! And still is because she is talented and beautiful ! Adele was never gone get picked from the very start! When Adele left she was talking shit like
Manon hate is NOT justified nor was any of the hate towards any of the girls. Manon has apologized MANY MANY times, said she wasn’t as dedicated as the other girls, owned her action, and they all moved on. So no, hate is not justified from anyone. Y’all r so annoying
I think another thing thats hard for fans is seeing this documentary and what all the members would say about there future members is hard to see. Simply because when we see idol groups we expect it to a close friendship or sisterhood. While Katseye right now is being seen in a mixeye. Theres a sisterhood but there wasn’t always a sisterhood. At some point they talked about each other, disliked each other. And it could be worrisome if they still feel that same way about her behind the scenes. I think they talked about it more behind the scenes or when this issue was blowing up i hope they talked about it to tighten there friendship. I can see this group ending up like little mix but I hope they become successful and have a long friendship instead.
If you think this documentary was bad wait till you see kpop idols on apple tv, it was a complete 180, they didn’t mention fatou was suicidal and tried to paint Leia as a victim who just had a minor slip up.
what r u talking about rn
manon and leia ARENT the same but okay
adela was so talented
She still is, definitely check out her new music
Girl your editing phenomenal! I remember watch your video about woojin and now you dud incredible job
i mean you could tell that hybe wanted manon in the group from the beginning, which is none of the girls’ fault - it definitely affected their relationships with each other and the public but also… this is the music industry y’all. no one’s surprised. if anything i dislike adela for the whole “YC” thing with yoonchae (the “it’s easier”… yikes!) more than the manon situation
and also - i do feel that this had more to do with pretty privilege than anything else. manon was scouted for her looks, that’s not a secret, and she was shielded from criticism because of her looks. i don’t think it would’ve been that different if their roles were swapped and adela was the pretty one tbh
One aspect of this convo that kind of annoys me is this unsupported assumption that ALL the girls felt the way Adela did. I made a list of the girls who, throughout all of Dream Academy and Pop Star Academy (on the show and on socials), have never said anything remotely negative about Manon or have even said positive things about her: Daniela, Yoonchae, Nayoung, Celeste, Samara, Emily, Iliya, Hinari, Ua, Mei, Lexie, Karlee, and Marquise. This is over half the girls. In the psychologist scene, most of the girls just look uninterested or even vaguely uncomfortable with the discussion. We have no reason to believe this resentment towards Manon was unanimous.
You're right, but remember in episode six only one out of the eighteen chose her to be in their ideal line up. Respectfully, there must have been a reason, at least that's how I see it.
@@everglowup That same episode showed Brooklyn and Ua getting zero votes and Lexie and Yoonchae only getting two votes, but I haven't seen theories about resentment toward them. Nayoung only got 3. There are probably many factors that went into that, but I suspect the girls largely voted based on a mix of impersonal assessments of skillset, whom they were closer to, and whom they perceived as having a strong shot at actually making it. I think it's also no coincidence that the girls who were less fluent in English appear to be lower overall. Nothing in particular points toward the girls feeling the same as Adela.
Someone with a sensible take at last.
@@everglowupbringing up episode six, it’s interesting how often people SWEAR Emily should have made the group, when her being 3rd to last in those rankings of the votes had indicated there’s a reason why she didn’t. Clearly for different reasons than Manon, but I just wanted to add that because it does also add perspective on the overall conversation in terms of how the girls may have felt at that time, as people often claimed Emily should have made the last split rather than Manon but clearly she wasn’t capable to some extent where Manon didn’t lack. It’s an interesting comparison for sure considering again, there are different reasons for why the girls didn’t vote for them to be in their “idea” of the final lineup.
@@bloojay7going back over the social media during Dream Academy it seemed like there was a bit of a clique between Sophia, Lara, Megan, Adela and Emily as they all interacted a lot. Whereas Daniella and Nayoung were closer to Manon. It wasn’t until mission three that the girls started to really take on board that anyone could make it and all started to do videos together more generally.
Adela had points. But, they took this way too far. They started scapegoating Manon for EVERYTHING that began to go wrong even things that had nothing to do with her. Y’all can be upset that Manon seemed to be favored by public vote sure. But yall can’t blame her for it as she was already famous before she even got scouted. Her fans followed and wanted to see her succeed. Take yall anger up with her fans not Manon herself. She can’t control the fact they stood behind her. As for them being upset that Manon wasn’t putting in the work at first, that’s completely understandable not even gonna argue against that.
I liked Adela when I was watching it and she was one of my favorites but I understood how she felt but she also just did tm imo
Stop lying 😊
@@vim2339it’s my opinion
I think it’s just a matter of cultural differences, Manon didn’t understand the culture in dance yet while the others did. And although I personally think Adela was low-key bitter, I think she would’ve said the same things about Manon if she was a pretty white or Asian girl etc. I don’t think she’s the racist white girl people are trying to paint her as but I do think that what she said was wrong by some degree.
So what would you have said if you were in her shoes
@@Justsomegir literally nothing just like most contestants did. Last time I checked there were also 13 other girls on that program who also worked hard, also made sacrifices and also got their dreams crushed. They didn’t single someone out or continued to talk crap about them after being eliminated.
Agreed, I think her comments gave away her bitterness, any ill feelings should not be directed towards Manon, instead the show who made it possible. Hate the game don't hate the player. Work ethics can be improved however mentality is harder also tbh ive never seen any contestants in a survival show with negative mindset wins🤷
every contestant that was Eliminated has the talent, drive and passion to do they want to do, be a k-pop idol. The girls loved one another from beginning to end but you can feel the tension when people who joined late, no prior training and missed a lot of practise and lessons get into a group which they gave their all for is definitely up setting. the idea that fans got of "Mannon was being bullied" is absolute nonsense! The girls frustrated that their efforts were in vain and Mannon was upset that the girls were taking it out on her due to the voting, which is actually clear if you didn't skip majority of the episodes. The girls loved Adéla, her talent in vocals, dance and stage presence shown through her evals and pink venom yet, she was eliminated due to where she was from and because of her looks. It's not that I don't like the final line up (cuz it's be honest, debut and touch are absolute bops) but what the producers did to defame her after elimination is crazy and un acceptable to most peoples standards. Thank you for reading my rant :)
oh my favorite channel just posted i love your voice btw
I love Adela... She's one my favorite in this program. Her attitude is one of the best. She's a future lead of girl group. I pray she's will successful in fiture...
But since when has the music industry been solely about talent? Especially the pop industry. Let’s be honest if the most talented girls all made it into the group it wouldn’t matter cuz some of them simply didn’t have the look/aura of a star and the group wouldn’t survive and the higher ups definitely knew that. That’s why the most talented in the industry become background dancers and singers. Some people just don’t have to work as hard as others in life and that’s that, pretty sure Manon knew she had her spot secured from the beginning. I’ve seen Adela’s solo stuff and tbh nothing new or exciting about her and the producers and audience saw that 🤷🏽♀️
Her solo work is being supported out of pity and this is coming from someone who is also supporting her. Lyrics are nonsensical, instrumental is dated, and she didn’t seem to know how to have presence outside of trying to be “sexy”
I see why she wasn’t chosen. Execs truly know what’s best
Exactly. Even Bang PD came in the first few episodes and stated that star power is important. People aren't always going to be chosen based on talent alone. Hard as it is to accept that Manon is an important factor as to whether the group sells or not. Most stans come from her.
Exactly ! That’s what this video created doesn’t get
I think the reason why Adele and Lara were viewed as villains is because of Adele's approach, which made her appear mean or like a hater. Additionally, there was one episode where Lara and others were caught laughing at Manon, which gave the audience the impression that they were mean girls.
They were being mean
omg the theme?! And editing?! Girl you did a good job!! And thank you for the video! You’re videos always give me a proper view of a situation ❤
karlee was the one who asked yoonchae what she would prefer to be called. adela was the one who said YC was “easier.” that’s why ppl weren’t harassing karlee, because karlee was the only one who actually cared about what yoonchae wanted to be called. adela didn’t really gaf
If she didn't gaf why did she highlight the fact that Yoonchae didn't like hugging as to reassure her and also encourage her abt her revision with "you're gonna kill it".
@@lotuschilcl i’m talking about adela not calling her by her real name. she didn’t care what yoonchae preferred to be called. she didn’t care enough to even try to pronounce it properly the first time. what kind of person plans to debut under a korean company but doesn’t even attempt to pronounce an asian name, and when first meeting her too? like that just feels so disrespectful to me
@@annieproulx6032 Yeah, but see your cherry-picking her actions, cause in that same span of 5-10 min she did stuff to show her support and respect for her. Also, take into consideration that she's from a country where Korean IS NOT SPOKEN USUALLY, she's from Slovakia, she met yoonchae for the first time that day and also she did call her by her real name, even payed attention when she was asked if she was comfortable with it, the nickname was to encourage a relaxed and stress relief environment between the new girls, and if her pronunciation wasn't great maybe that's why she called her by YC to not make it seem as if she struggled with the actual name cause she clearly did, practice or no practice, not out of disrespect, out of actual respect for her and maybe a little embarrassment for herself, it isn't her native tongue, try speaking Slovakian yourself and saying it perfectly. And finally, the contract isn't with an all Korean company. It's a GLOBAL GIRL GROUP with the TRAINING of a Korean company, so no, she wasn't required to speak Korean and still she was one of the main girls who tried to help out the Asian girls even if the language barrier made it difficult. Clearly you did not watch the show, and if you did, you clearly identify with Manon or some $hit like that cause you're comments clearly don't emulate an environment where you understand how it is to be in a situation where these girls where.
@@lotuschilcl you refusing to admit it’s disrespectful is weird. i dont care if you disagree with me. it is very much so microaggressive to say it’s “easier” to not even try pronouncing foreign names. if you can’t accept that then you’re ignorant and close-minded, and i don’t respect your opinion
@@annieproulx6032 because in slavic countries people give a name to YOU and it's considered normal so she was not trying to be disrespectful. See this is what adela was talking about in the beginning - the lack of Slavic representation in the world. We have our own ways the same as Koreans, Latinos etc have their. The sad truth is that almost no one knows because we are not see in the world.
Thank you for actually being able to make sense of the situation.
There no doubt that the creation of the video want to hate on Manon
you always make the video very pleasing. i love this kind of theme editing like this
it truly blows my mind that ppl tried to pull the race card with adela and manon,, like.....what??? stupid issues are like these diminish actual racial issues, i just cant
you’re attempting to have a thought out discussion about this but completely painting manon as someone who had no regard for the team or awareness of her actions. manon made it clear she misunderstood the severity of the program. she also had a right to defend herself when 20 girls were coming at her. no matter what she did, that wasn’t the right way to approach issues they felt like were occurring. you’re also making it seem like manon isn’t talented and is in the group just because she’s a pretty face. this also makes a space for anti-blackness to occur and for people like that to facilitate their hate for manon. this wasn’t a nuanced conversation at all.
Right! I feel like she skipped over the girls just straight being jealous even before Manon arrived.
Also her not living with the girls is justified, she was most likely excluded from the jump making her living life difficult, causing Manon not wanting to live with the other girls. I feel like this video glanced over the hate/racism Manon has been getting, while painting the other girls as only saints and angels.
Yh Manon is talented and has super star quality and has the same height as them
literally, this video honestly feels like it has ill-intent
@@happythoughts1708 right… its so weird to paint manon as a villain or claim that adela name dropping manon 24/7 was js “oh shes right”
@@happythoughts1708 Yup! And as everglow up is a black person I assumed that they would realise this too but apparently not /:
Also let's be real here a lot of the issues with Manon missing classes didn't start until after she became popular with the audience. Some of the frustration was warranted but a lot was simply jealousy and was IMO the root of a lot of Adela's beef with Manon which was why I personally couldn't respect her.
She stated she wants to be an inspiration for little girls but now look at the content she posts nowadays. It is completely inappropriate for little girls. I get her being eliminated so fast is sad for her however you failed to mention Manon did realize she needed to put in work and she did. Then looking at entertainment industry perspective, you want to sell concert tickets, you want to form a group with girls that have star quality. That was the purpose for the survival show and the team Katseye looks so cohesive and they did a good job forming it. Best of luck to Adela though but she is not targeting little girls in her music videos.
People from the US dont get that racism and white privilege dont work the same in other countries, yet everyone listens to their opinions blindly.
I'm still watching the survival show thingy 😭 I'll watch this vid when I finish the doc
Is there a way to the Dream Academy survival show?
@@mariahbreannalane6985 the survival portion that people voted on was uploaded on Hybes TH-cam channel, the documentary is on Netflix that shows all this behind the scenes and drama stuff
@@mariahbreannalane6985 there is not show it's just videos of missions, announcement videos and commentary after mission by judges
@@abbeysaleskpop Oh okie Thank you!
I agree Adela was correct. I will say though she doesn’t fit in the group. Even as a soloist she feels a bit too try-hard, nothing is natural. She would have stood out in the group like a sore thumb. Manon wasn’t as talented as her but she’s miles more charismatic.
I wouldn't say nothing is natural, but Manon definitely has more charisma than Adela (anyone who has that facecard would tbf)
@@shinigamis_like_apples4797exactly
Can y’all actually let this shit go. The Manon hate is so forced atp
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Wow I loved all the video graphics, you did an amazing job!
Yeah I actually could not see Adela as mean at all when watching the docu so it was shocking to look at everything else online
Although I knew there was a lesson and I hope people have learnt from the docu but with my hopes so low the best we can get is carrying on
She is mean she speak without thinking
Justice for Adela
This whole video is built on wrong information considering that people who dislike Adela also dislike Naisha just as much, for the same reason. Many of them had those opinions before the documentary due to their social media posts. Her skin color has nothing to do with it. Dream Academy was one of the fairest shows. Adela was eliminated because she didn't capture people's attention in PV. I followed the show and agree with that sentiment. Something about her performance was off-putting. Also, yall would make more sense if you just said you think visual picks should be eliminated from kpop, which probably wont be happening anytime soon.
I find it a bit weird how other contestants harped on Manon for allegedly only making it into katseye because she's pretty? Manon sings and dances very well. Furthermore, _all_ of the contestants are conventionally pretty and have probably benefitted quite a lot from that privilege. They probably wouldn't like being told they only made it into the show (and group) because of their looks. Manon has this angelic sense of beauty, but doesn't behave like an angel, and that makes her interesting to the viewers.
Ok my thing is, Manon still didn’t deserved to be treated the way she did. All those girls and staff had to do is let her know “oh hey we don’t appreciate you not showing up” because clearly after Manon realized taking days off was a no no, she quickly got the girls together and apologized and showed up ever since. Missy had a lot to say abt Manon’s “poor work ethic” but couldn’t go to her and let her know that taking days off like that isn’t ok? Like hello you’re in charge of them, so why did she let it slide for so long? The girls, especially Adela, continued to reduce her just to her looks multiple times and shit talked abt her behind her back despite the fact that Manon clearly changed her ways. I get the others feeling frustrated but clearly it was a cultural difference and lack of communication. Manon clearly stepped up and proved herself ever since so I really don’t think Adela or anyone else was right to continue to downplay Manon.
When Manon addressed the group and apologized and changed her ways it was already MONTHS maybe even a full year into the program. She absolutely deserved to be treated the way she was. She got special privileges, was able to stay with her aunt bc she kept breaking curfew and other rules. Yeah she stepped up at the end but it's very very clear that she was given special treatment.
@@mamobee Well firstly consider the fact that Manon was added in a year after the program started so she clearly wasn’t as familiar with it as the other girls with. Plus, you saying her apologizing months after taking serval breaks only proves that no one decided to communicate to her that taking frequent breaks isn’t ok. Manon herself clearly said she didn’t have a clear understanding given that where she’s from physical and mental health is very prioritized so taking breaks is something she thought was ok. And when she realized it wasn’t, she quickly apologized and got her stuff together. Saying she deserved to be downplayed, shit talked, and excluded because of a misunderstanding and culture differences is weird asf. The other girls 100% were allowed to feel frustrated with her but couldn’t they just communicate with her their frustrations? Instead Manon was the one who had to come to them lmao. Plus even when Manon changed and showed up and showed out they still continued to shit talk her, what else do they want her to do?
Exactly… I get that Manon wasn’t living with the adult girls but the communication with her was evidently shit! Tell her to show up! Once she was made aware she gathered ALL the girls and apologised. The feelings the girls had were valid, like show the fuck up ffs! However the sniggering and glares were just mean and unnecessary. Tell Manon to show up… communicate… They made Manon look like the bigger person bc they couldn’t simply tell her or communicate like adults. I struggled to dislike Manon even tho her behaviour bothered me bc she was apologetic. I started disliking some of the other girls who were once my faves like Sophia for the dirty looks (she my bias wrecker now bc like they all said “we r literally fine🐬🌈”).
I also think that foreigners dont quite understand what they are getting themselves into unless they are more east asian background but even so foreigners defo seem to struggle to get to grips with the general kpop system
oh BROTHER
Another reason Adela is getting the smokes now is because after DA when the final members were selected, she took pictures and congratulated other girls, ignoring Manon (then no one had this context and there was already rumours of cliques and exclusion going round among viewers). They called her out and she said she wasn't close to Manon (which is fair) but a mere congratulation is having good sportsmanship, and she was rude about it on twitter or x (whatever you call it).
Naisha's case sterms from the fact that she left a shady comment on Lara's IG, allegedly shading Manon.
Yeah they got hate and then again got more hate after the documentary.
She wasn't rude, y'all just like to paint it the way it suits you. She could have said anything you'd call her rude anyway.
@@Nicole-ep1vt Exactly!
she wasn't rude about it on twitter. y'all were just all pikachu face when someone doesn't want to deal with you bullshit.
How do you behave in your personal life?
i watched the whole show before going online to see the discussion and was so surprised to find out that adela was villainised when really, she was just speaking hard facts and wasnt even being mean or nasty about it. it shocks me how ppl so quickly take things out of context just to find a reason to jump on someone
This is so true. I can’t believe they released a video of them just talking to a THERAPIST. The girls trusted that therapist
Because she is a villain
@vim2339 OK calm down timothy you've been watching too much reality tv
Oh you ate with the thumbnail and mean girls theme 😂
omg as a major dive IVE is my ult group the liz discourse re kitsch made me so angry
seeing all the nonblacks kekeing it up in the comments over manon 🤕
@@daysssssss very smelly
literally creating a safe space for people who only show their racism in microaggressions to congregate. i’ll never respect creators like this
@@sydney6818 all she does is tap dance, she is embarrassing. Raccoon season going crazy
@@sydney6818 exactly 😂😂😂. Her internalized 👀ism is showing. She always does this and is always the first to defend the other side during discussions like this.
this just tells me that this is a biased video and yall didn’t here a single thing the hybe x geffen staff said about their reasons of letting adela go. there were even less talented people who passed adela but yall only wanna attack manon. yall are blaming manon over a desicion that was decided by judges and audiences if yall wanted adela there yall should’ve voted for her
CLOCK IT
We've got the person who didn't watch the documentary or is 12 👆
@@anastasiap1856 the call is coming from inside the house
@@anastasiap1856 clearly you didn’t watch the documentary cause they literally said they viewed adela as a soloist
so true! i love manon but she is just a classic pretty privilege case
With talent y’all act like she can’t do nothing…
@@userwwwwwweee there were Better Choices Babe atleast Its just Good enough to contribute to the group
@@LookuHanzullike who? The final group in my opinion is the best outcome. However I wanna hear who u think should take Manon’s spot, because I’m tell you right now it’s not Adela.
She is talented lmao just stop
I mean, but you should also point out the fact that they all worked it out since the conversation they had. People grow and learn, she holds accountability and that's important too. And you're missing few points: Adela was eliminated because of the public, not producers and that is a sad true that multiple talented people face in the industry, if you don't have appeal to the public, you'll hardly make it. Manon was kept there because the producers noticed the public loved her, if she was at the bottom of public votes, trust me, she would have been eliminated since first mission. And last but definitely not least, although the frustration was very valid, it wasn't cool for them talking behind Manon's back when Manon clearly never said anything bad about none of them and even said she loved them, and also it's not Manon's fault that she was a fan favorite (wich is btw the reason why she stepped it up and got serious because at first she thought she wouldn't make it as she felt the other girls were extremely good). Either way, the final lineup was the one making more synergy and the girls seem to be very close and working very good together, hopefully they have major success in the near future. ☺
Adéla defender since day 1!!!
(i have not finshd the video) People refuse to acknowledge this show is filmed over a year. Assuming adela is just a hater because the show shows her talking about manon doesnt mean she IS.
They framed her badly in one edit with that Naisha girl. I still support her but we know how immature kpop stans can be and hated on her for way too long
@@markigirl2757 honestly i still would like to know what were they asking them and how long they filmed on that beach with Adela and Naisha. All we got from it was the 10 sec video of Adela talking which made her look bad once again might have been cut out of context since we can't see anything else from that interview with them.
yesss call out the toxic kpop stans! i will also remind myself more that i don’t know context or who the person really is whenever i see short clips of idols so as not to make a snap judgement of them
Manufactured drama in survival shows are cheap gimmicks very much like how bad horror movies use jumpscares. The most successful shows or shows that had the most successful seasons were when contestants were authentic and could complain about unfair treatments and ACTUALLY have it listened to. Real authentic drama that isn't soul destroying.
It kinda felt like you was putting a bad light on manon I just felt like everyone is valid and the people that are older got exactly what they wanted when they filmed this
She is ! Like every word from this video is putting Manon in a bad light from the video to everything
I haven't watched the show, nor am i that big of a fan of KATSEYE, but from the clips I've watched of Adela in this video, where she's eliminated, but still encourages the other girls and tells them that they are more than this one group, and they don't *need* it. She seems like such a natural leader and a girls' girl. If she debuts with a different group she'll definitely be the leader.
this whole manon situation, the way the company treated her so obviously favourably and the way all the fans jumped to defend her and still turn a blind eye to genuine criticism about her really shows just how far pretty privilege alone can get you....
This video put Manon in a bad light because she’s talented and she was gone debut no matter what
@vim2339 no they didn't...use some critical thinking pls
Another person they did dirty towards the end was Lexie…the way they tried to make it look like they were letting her go,when she told them she wanted to quit…like what?!
the hate was so forced here??
Hope all you Adela stans are supporting her solo work! She didn’t make it and Manon did, end of. Go support your fave instead of writing think pieces and videos. The girls are fine, they said this. Adela has (hopefully) moved on.
Lmao Adela was saying shit after she left
And now adela is going solo and has songs out
Ok good for her than
She wasn’t a racist just jealous, Adela just didn’t have super star quality, she is extremely talented but she is wasn’t memorable (for me) . And I still don’t understand why Manon needed to take accountability for something she had no control and over( fan voting and perceptions) why shud she have to show feel sorry because people like her regardless of her talent makes no sense nd her work ethic maybe questionable but it’s still no reason to be mad group nd down talk someone nd make them feel shut out wen they are actually trying (damn a bitch can’t be sick and chill with my ppls) she showed in each challenge they she was learning. Adela and Emily were just not gonna translate well in camera Thts why no one really voted for them, Lara and Sophie (smh) but i get it they were all friends cute
And y’all saying imagine being in a group with Manon after what she did , imagine being in a. Group with a bunch of girls who treated you or made you feel a way the way they did. This goes both ways. It was a bad call to release this documentary in my opinion. But yeah talking shit about someone after being eliminated and continue to do so that’s why she got dragged
exactly like having a whole part called “context is key” and not focusing on that part of the context says a lot about personal bias!
girl sit down. watch the video, watch the documentary if you need that, read the interview Adela did when they asked her about Pop star academy and if you still think she's just bluntly talking shit, YOU are the problem.
@@Nicole-ep1vt Yep.