Bishop Sheen DOES NOT say Pope Francis.
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In episode 186 of The Firing Line with William F. Buckley Jr. filmed on January 6, 1970, Bishop Sheen clearly mentions Pope Francis and Buckley does not catch it. During minute 37 of this episode Bishop Sheen says, "Being related to the world, I think it (the Catholic Church) has become much more compassionate of sinners and I would say perhaps that is the spirit that has changed us from the rigidity of excommunication to the patient bearing of Pope Francis."
As you may know Pope Paul VI was pope in 1970 when this episode of Firing Line was aired. Also our current Pope Francis is the first to ever call himself Francis. Someday if another pope wanted to call himself Francis that future pope would be called Pope Francis II. So how do you explain this , when in 1970, 54 years ago, a man as smart as Bishop Sheen refers to Pope Francis?
I think Bishop Sheen had a mystical experience and he was made to know the future. Our current Pope Francis can certainly be described as a man with "patient bearing." Our current pope is patient, loving, accepting and willing to walk with others.
Buckley's question was about excommunication, he wanted to know why people (of 1970) who claim to be Catholic but clearly live a life in contradiction to a Catholic lifestyle are not excommunicated. This clip was part of Bishop Sheen's answer.
I think Bishop Sheen inadvertently let slip information that he received in a mystical/prayer experience. Why do I say this?
1. Everyone knows he was a brilliant scholar. Sheen was one of the intellectual giants of the twentieth century. He could not make a mistake like that especially because at the time this was spoken, there had never been a Pope Francis in all of history. Our Pope Francis is the first!
2. Mystics are known to have visions. Not all mystics are known or want to be known. Saints and mystics are known throughout history to have visions of the future and be privy to information that others do not have. In 2002, Bishop Sheen's cause for canonization was opened and a miracle has been attributed to him.
3. With God all things are possible. - แนวปฏิบัติและการใช้ชีวิต
It is one thing to be compassionate towards sinners. It is another thing to fail to correct the sinner and bring him to Christ.
Agree. Admonishing the sinner was (and should still be considered) a spiritual work of mercy
And when you sweep aside the false narratives in the media even the, "catholic media" about what Pope Francis says that's exactly what he has been doing but every statement & publication is distorted and the corrections & complaints from the Vatican are ignored . It's difficult to find criticism from within the Church itself that isn't against a phony version from the media or indeed generated by schismatic - "more Catholic than the magisterium , the Pope and Christ's promises of the guidance through them"- groups and individuals whose egos grant themselves primacy.
Sheen was a diehard defender of Vatican II. The fatuous optimism of the 1960s had tragic consequences for the Church
The Venerable Fulton Sheen absolutely DOES NOT predict Pope Francis. He says toward the end of the video, “from the rigidity of excommunication to the patient bearing of offenses” and NOT “to the patient bearing of Pope Frances.” Replay it and you’ll hear it clearly. You may want to consider changing the title of your video…
If not for this comment telling me what I was expected to mishear I wouldn't have gotten the joke. Thanks.
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Bp. Sheen embraced the phoney heretical Vatican 2 council, and went on to set up a model Novus Ordo parish
@@kylewoodworth9685 Bp. Sheen embraced the phoney heretical Vatican 2 council, and went on to set up a model Novus Ordo parish. Bergoglio is a heretic and apostate- a destroyer of the Catholic religion
Is this a distinction without a difference?
This is how false narratives start. It’s clear he’s saying “ offenses”. We have enough problems with our own people creating lies on the internet without adding to it.
"It's going to take a while for the yeast to work through the dough." The yeast is Francis.
Misleading title just to get more clicks. Dishonest.
I honestly thought he said Pope Frances. I made an honest mistake. I was away volunteering at a Catholic Camp and just got back. I will post something about this. God bless you and your loved ones.
He says "to the patient bearing of offences" not "Pope Francis"
Listen closer, it’s completely completely obvious he says offenses
I think you are correct. Thank you and God bless you.
You are correct. Thank you and God bless you.
He says "...to the patient bearing of offenses", never said "of Francis"!
Click bait
He also said. "The laity will save the church"
In the book, "Catholic Prophecy", Yves Dupont having studied the writings of many holy personages down the history of the Church comes to the same conclusion, the Church is saved by the faithful laity etc.
The laity better save the church. The priests are destroying it.
Bishop Sheen clearly said "patient bearing of offenses" and he did not say "Pope Francis."
I didn't hear any mention of Pope Francis.
We are all sinners. The Church included!
Its amazing to see the optimism about Vatican Ii even after years and even decades of its aftermath tearing down the church.
60 years later I think we can all agree it was a failure.
Clickbait.....
"...to the patient bearing of Pope Francis."(sic)
Incorrect. What Sheen actually said was "... to the patient bearing of offenses."
Interesting that in 1970, Bishop Sheen was talking about a Church that in its newfound patience and kindness, excommunicates fewer people. Meanwhile today's Church is anything but patient and kind, having robbed us of our inheritance, now excommunicating its best priests and most faithful traditional Catholics.
You can be primarily concerned with understanding emotions or understanding the truth. Emotions are supposed to yield to truth not truth to emotions, otherwise we become God and madness ensues. When the church primarily attempted to be "understanding" of worldly emotions it ceased to be primarily understanding of truth or those who were wanting to do so, which is to say God, who is the truth.
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Tell that to Vigano
Pray for Vigano and our Church. God bless you.
Catholic catholic who uses lies in the title to get clicks? Shame.
My friend, I was volunteering at Camp Veritas in Ireland. After that our family went to Knock. I was away for about a month. I just returned last week and I am just looking at all of this now. I honestly thought I heard Pope Francis. You are very quick to judge but I think that is a symptom of contemporary society. It was an honest mistake. You might ask yourself why are you so quick to judge. Do not let the world make you cynical. Our world today is very cynical. Many people are so cynical that they believe that others are always trying to game the system. Many people believe that others are always trying to get one over. There is no room for an honest mistake, people are not given time to reevaluate. I will be changing the title of the video and putting out a community message. Look for it. God bless you and your loved ones.
I think the yeast has worked through the dough now...a little (Bad) leaven leaveneth the whole lump...
god bless you i always pray for the sinners and he holy souls
God loves you!
In the early days following Vatican II there was optimism. The optimism was short lived once the demons of that uncanonical council manifested itself.
The demons are strong within you, pagan.
By what criteria do you decide what councils are canonical and which are not?
If the magesterium of the Church accepts them, it seems logical that we must as well.
all due respect to the good archbishop, I think he had idealistic hopes about the council, but I think by the time he died, he saw the writing on the wall of the wolf and sheep’s clothing. The preconciliar church was not a nightmare to be fixed. It did not require a council to make a tiny adjustments. The interviewer is right.
Pre v2 era was a nightmare because of the errors that rome introduced in v1. Rome has been off the path ever since she separated herself from Holy Orthodoxy.
@@EasternChristian333 You are the ones who have separated yourself from the Rock which is Peter. And look where it has led you - more divisions, more inconsistencies and more schisms. You cannot even agree on what books constitute Scripture. You are divided doctrinally, Orthodoxy is unable to provide a unified teaching on even contraception or accepting converts from other denominations (rebaptism or just chrismation?).
Where are your historical Patriarchates? Constantinople, Jerusalem, Antioch and Alexandria are suffering under the thumb of unbelievers - did not God allowed enemies of Israel to rule over them when they were in sin? The Ecumenical Patriarch is a refugee in Greece, and less than 1% of the Orthodox remain in Constantinople.
The new Patriarchates are no better, the Patriarchate of Moscow and All Russia is less a Church and more an agent's nest and propaganda mouthpiece of the regime. The historical weaknesses of Orthodoxy and its caesaropapism still tie your hands.
I hope that one day the Church on earth will become one, but this will not happen until the Romans and Greeks realize their mistakes - and there are a lot of them on your side too.
@EasternChristian333 I could take your claim a bit more seriously if I didn't see that the Orthodox websites and Orthodox people I find only misrepresent or misunderstand the Catholic position, especially on those points that allegedly separate us, and seem trained to respond with distrust and even accusations of deceitful intent from Catholics who try to present the view we are actually taught, which is in some cases identical or nearly so to the Orthodox position.
@@jatnarivas8741 Catholics don't really have the moral high ground to say such a thing when Rome's developed belief of her own authority is propped up by no less than five forgeries, at various points in history. Rome has been lying and erring in one way or another since the beginning.
All churches are made up of sinners. The Catholic Church is a big tent and sinners are especially welcome. God bless you.
I was born after Vatican Council 11 and I found nothing wrong with everything we do. What I fear is to see the red caps of the pre vatican dresses of the bishops and cardinals. I do not know why I fear them.
God loves you.
Lol what is this deep fake?? Why does that ending sound so much like "Pope Francis"
Sheen was wrong. Yes, he was a TV star. But he was wrong, wrong, wrong.
It is OK to disagree. The best we can do is pray for others.
Is anyone still unsure about how this predicts Pope Francis?
My mistake! Sheen actually says bearing offenses. God loves you.
God bless you. God loves you.
Fr. Sheen does not say the words "Pope Francis" - those words are dubbed
They are not dubbed, he actually said "bearing offenses." God bless you.
I would like to hear about your theories regarding this mention of Pope Francis in 1970.
Did i miss it? Can you provide the timestamp with where he speaks of pope francis? Or is this just you projecting against the pope?
I didn't notice a mention to him. What was the reference?
As others in this chat, Bishop Sheen said, “…to the patient bearing of offences,” not Pope Francis. Sometimes we hear what we want to hear
I think we can excuse Bishop Sheen for not having the hindsight we have today. I think if he were resurrected and living today (2024) he would say he was wrong.
But there is one point he could have been corrected on even in 1970. It's the idea that Vatican I didn't have bishops from around the world because the Church did not relate to the world..
If there were international flights of aircraft when Vatican I was taking place, you can be sure you would have seen bishops from Africa, Asia, and so forth.
That is the reason why they weren't there.
red eyes?
“Offenses” not Pope Francis
Pope Francis is humble and focuses on God's mercy. "The V2 council is necessary but will not be understood." Saint Paul 6.
He may be humble but he stinks.
LOL !!!
God loves you!
HEY GUYS, PLEASE WAIT a second before you do what I, and many other ppl normally do, which is scroll passed a comment while saying to yourself: "NOPE! Not gonna read THIS one, it's way too long." (C'mon, be honest here. A huge percentage of readers do that. LoL 😂) All kidding aside, this is a very "quick read" which I'm sure 90 or more % of us occasionally ask ourselves, even tho we already know the answers.) So I suppose I'm just letting off some steam here😤. Only 2 questions regarding the titles of some TH-cam clips. So, without further adieu: (#1) WHY would a person who has their own TH-cam channel, ( and obviously has the potential to reach thousands, even millions of people,) choose to name their site: "The catholic Catholic," with which 'real' Catholic readers would probably assume has good, "legit" Catholic content, WHY would they CLICKBAIT us, and (#2) HOW could 'real' Catholics continue to keep their subscriptions once they've watched some of "The catholic Catholic's" videos and REALIZED that the titles are CLICKBAIT?? I simply cannot believe this site has 587 ignorant subscribers. In this video, Venerable Fulton Sheen NEVER says the words "Pope Francis." So, here's a question for YOU, "catholic Catholic." WHY haven't you taken down this video once you've 'learned' that those words were never said? Shame on you.
My friend, I was volunteering at Camp Veritas in Ireland. After that our family went to Knock. I was away for about a month. I just returned last week and I am just looking at all of this now. I honestly thought I heard Pope Francis. You are very quick to judge but I think that is a symptom of contemporary society. It was an honest mistake. You might ask yourself why are you so quick to judge. Do not let the world make you cynical. Our world today is very cynical. Many people are so cynical that they believe that others are always trying to game the system. Many people believe that others are always trying to get one over. There is no room for an honest mistake, people are not given time to reevaluate. I will be changing the title of the video and putting out a community message. Look for it. God bless you and your loved ones.
We are the church and sinners too. No one is perfect
God bless you!
Patient bearing of offenses. Laughable
You are right. it is bearing of offenses. Please see my explanation in the other video. God bless you!
Very misleading title!
"offenses" not Pope Francis...
Correct. God bless you.
Offenses not Francis
You are right! Thank you. God bless you.
He's predicting Francis NOT saying Francis. "It's going to take a while for the yeast to work through the dough." The yeast is Francis!
God bless you!
Pope Francis is the most "rigid," to use his siilly word, pope in history with his rigid hatred of Catholic doctrine, his denial of immutable truth, and his belief that God is subordinate to His creation as Francis portays him as in the process of learning how to be a good God from HIs own creation. Francis also has no mercy for the victims of sin with his perverse ideas of "evolving" morality.
Please do not speak of the Pope in a bad way. I understand your frustration but it is better that we pray for our Pope and the Church. We will accomplish more this way. God bless you.
Sheen was a champion of the Council
It amazes me how people think they know better than the Seat of St Peter and the Magisterium. We are called to love Jesus and his Church. Remember what St Ignatius of Antioch said on his way to his martyrdom in the year 107. Wherever the Bishop is there is the Church. God bless you and your family.
He said from Rigidly tp Patient towards sin. Bergolio is very Patient towards sin. That is what is meant in the Title of the video. The other people commenting just aren't putting it together.🤔
To the demons are strong within you. What do you know about me? Nothing. Your judgemental sin is now public. Many cobgratulations on your lack of judgement, not to mention lack of sense.
To Ryan, Take a course in church history & dogmatics. It should be obvious to you that I have. However by the sounds of your closed mind & miopic vision, not sure it would help. I do not wish to continue this with you. You've already made up your mind, & it appears closed. Blessings to you.
Bp. Sheen embraced the phoney heretical Vatican 2 council, and went on to set up a model Novus Ordo parish