Mazda PE01-14-302B Oil Filter Cut Open vs. Fram Ultra XG6607 Oil Filter Cut Open Comparison
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Today we'll compare a used Mazda oil filter to a used Fram Ultra oil filter that came off of a 2016 Mazda Miata.
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That’s a really narrow media on the fram 😮
I used the oversize filter on my Mazda. Fram 7137.
@@dwendt44 , yeah, the same filter that goes on recent model Honda CR-V's. It's a tad longer than the 6607, but I figure as long as it fits, go for it.
@@kimmillard9445 Most Asian autos can used that larger filter.
@@dwendt44 if I were to use that size on my next oil change on my g35 would I have to maybe add like half of a quart extra to fill the bigger filter?
@kimmillard9445 it's also the same filter that go for 2012-2018 Nissan Altima models. I might start using Nissan OEM filters for now on after watching this video.
Filter location on '16 Miata has the threads up, so no need for an anti-drainback valve.
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Wow great details 👍
OEM Mazda Filter wins this one.
no drainback
@@freddyflintstoned913 on my CX5 wtih the 2.5 Skyactive engine, the filter hangs straight down. Shouldn't need an antidrainback valve.
9:16 Agreed, but my concern is that in the 100x view, the Mazda filter has big holes; I counted three. Therefore, the filter’s capacity for particles smaller than 20 microns makes me doubt its effectiveness
Thanks Pete.
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Nice to see your video today. Thank you.
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I'm seeing a pattern in your videos of Fram skimping on the amount of filter media.
The Fram 6607 has always been a small oil filter, if room permits on an engine I would use the larger Fram 7317 oil filter.
@WhipCityWrencher , yep. That's what goes on my Honda CRV. My nephew's Troy-Bilt riding mower calls for the equivalent of the 6607, but I found it has room for the 7317, so that's what we're putting on there too!!
@@kimmillard9445 Good Choice😊👍
From my observation; The OEM looks superior in comparison in this review.
Thanks for you're feedback👍
Hi Pete 🙂. I like the Mazda filter better but both look good, another great review/comparison 👍. Enjoy the beautiful day today my friend 🙂. Take care.
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Awesome video! I always enjoy your videos that show a used filter because we can see how they did or did not do the job.
Fram filter media seems to be smaller than the OEM filter. Regardless, I would use the fram because they have been making filters for years and I have never had an issue.
Thanks Kevin👍
Fram filter pleats appear to have the integrity of a cheez doodle.
9:16 My concern is that in the 100x view, the Mazda filter has big holes; I counted three. Therefore, the filter’s capacity for particles smaller than 20 microns makes me doubt its effectiveness
Thanks for the video, appreciate the extra effort it takes with used filters. The microscope comparisons are very useful too. Tokyo Roki filters are always so well made. I'm guessing the efficiency is around 50%, similar to the Toyota filters.
You're Welcome! I prefer opening the used oil filters, usually one filter per video though.
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I like the design of the Mazda relief valve and the thin spring with rubber gasket at top lots of surface area and a tight seal it seems, but Frams media looks nicer but less of it. If all the Mazda models have filter hanging upside down, then they don't need drain back but that Fram fits one of my other cars so it must be made for many models.
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Both of those look fairly decent. It would be a tough decision to decide which to use.
Considering oil this gentleman is using and filtration of Fram Ultra it could easily go as long as 7500 miles.
I would recommend him to use the longer version of this Fram with larger filtration area
XG 7317 , Amazon sells it for 9usd 😉
Purolator PBL14610 is also the same, but longer, more media. 14612 is the short one like the 6607 shown here.
@elcano9l52 , yep. The Amsoil equivalents are the EA15K13 and the EA15K12. Also, fits on Troy-Bilt riding mowers for anyone that has one.
i have one car that calls for the 7317 and another the 6607 i wonder if it is some clearance issue if they have same threads.
@@ranger178 7317 is just longer with more filtering media
@@kdomster9141 well they must have some reason to make shorter one for space or different relief valve pressure or something
Good morning. I lean toward the Mazda filter. Larger filter/neater pleats. Must be a reason OEM filter has no anti drain back on their filter. Looks to me that oil is dirtier on Fram. Later oil change? Or didn't Mazda do its job before Fram install? Hi Chuck, I'm from Westmoreland Co. (Chuck is from Washington Co) 👍✊️
I'm an OEM filter fan myself.
I believe the FRAM has better filtration. Of course the Mazda (Tokyo Roki) filter would offer better flow characteristics. Maybe factory engineers felt that ample flow of filtered oil was more important than having the bypass at least partially open to get the required volume of lubricant to the moving parts. Hello from Washington County.
Nice Job, Pete. If I had to choose, I'd take the Mazda Filter, I think, even though I generally don't care for OEM filters. I do not like the bypass valve stuck in the leaf spring, too much chance for leakage. and the filters off my lawn mower look bigger than the filter cartridge in the Fram. Too bad because it looks decently made with good materials. I'll stick with my boss filters
Mazda makes good engines. I had a 91 626 that I put on 20K miles for two years straight going from Nashua to Cambridge and it never gave me a lick of trouble.
I like the Fram's synthetic filter media better, but I was disappointed how chintzy they were in the amount of media for the same size cannister.
@@kimmillard9445 As I said, I think the filters for my lawn mower have a bigger cartridge. Neither one would be my first choice. Plus that bypass valve isn't a good design in my opinion. too bad because the media is better.
I know my lawnmower has more filter media than the FRAM. It's a small can, but wow. That's not a lot of filter.
@@donwyoming1936 LOL I know, it is TINY
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Mazda filter for the 🏆. I wouldn’t run that little fram filter on my lawnmower. I wouldn’t run any fram filter on anything I own. I’ve had a bad experience with a fram oil filter and will never trust them again. Great video Whip 👍
Thank You!
You should SEE the OEM filters for Troy-Bilt riding mowers. Makes the 6607 look big by comparison.
And to think that some people actually defend the cardboard end caps that Fram uses on their orange cans.
On my Rover ride on mower (with the Kawasaki engine), I use a 'Stens' brand oil filter..... I'm assuming they're ok 🤔
Jay the Florida pool pump motor repair guy 32750 approved ! that was good info & see WCW
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Lets be honest with ourselves, Mazda looks brand new to me i think Mazda win this this one, but i still use Fram Ultra on my hondas.
With whatever non-oem filter you may choose, confirm it has the correct bypass spring p.s.i.
A filter that appears as new after 5,000 miles compared to one that shows clear evidence of moderate sludge/carbon trapped within its fibers and you prefer the one that looks like new? Do you understand the purpose of a filter?? A dirty filter is serving its intended purpose. A clean one is allowing impurities to remain suspended in the oil and continuing to circulate within the engine.
Looks to me like the end cap on the Fram Ultra is quite wide, restricting the amount of useable filter material. For a larger filter size on a different engine, that probably doesn't make any real difference, but for a filter this small it might matter. The Fram does appear to capture smaller particles, but one of the most important specifications is that a filter allows a certain rate of oil flow through the filter, which is hard to calculate.
Mazda has a bulletin on these oil filters for these cars, they want you to only use ones spec without an anti drainback valve, i would use only oem Mazda or wix 57002 as they are the only to spec for that engine. nice work
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I have a Mazda as well and so far have been sticking to the OEM filters (though not the Japanese made version) because they have larger inlet holes and no anti drain back valve than the purolator boss of the same size, so I think it would be less restricted.
The WPE-14-302 is excellent(made in Thailand by Denso). It has large, oblong-shaped inlet holes, big e-core holes for good flow, and very sturdy filter media that will not sag or collapse, even on long oil change intervals.
@@ChicagoRob2 yup that's what I use. Have to find a better supplier though because my nearest dealer is an hour away and I got burned twice on Amazon with crushed filters sent in an envelope.
@@F0XD1E There are several online Mazda dealers that sell the 1WPE-14-302.
Whoa, ride the waves 🏄 of the cheapened media Ultra XG. Sad to see what's happened to "Ultra" filter, no way I'd run it even close to 20k mi. rating. Mazda doesn't use adbv on their OEM filters, which are mounted vertical thread end up. Small element on the Ultra. Mazda looks ok, I'd likely choose it over wavy media XG. Thanks for the video.
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No matter the brand...you shouldn't be running any filter for 20k.
@@lucky806 Cogent point clearly missed. OG Ultra had no issues with a 20k oci/fci. Many anecdotes out there showing it. Even if not running it 20k miles, current Ultra doesn't hold a candle to the OG ultra.
Compared to other Mazda filters, this one seems odd man out. oversized end caps on this one.
Rather have the Made in Japan than made in FRAM ,the FRAM looks like its collapsing due to oil flow & lack of area
If you use the fram ultra a larger size filter would be an alternative if possible ! If not just stick with the mazda ! 👍
Fram 7137 is the oversize filter.
That media looks pretty small in the fram. If I was chuck I’d look into a different filter .
When you measuring the thickness of the filter media. Do you go by MM or inches
I wouldn’t think flow matters in a positive displacement oil pump unless it was in pressure relief. Flow would be the same.
Good morning, the fram filter is my pic, but the Mazda looks really good. I use a fram ultra and have never had any issues. Keep up the good work.
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I'm fine with the higher end fram versions. It's the lower end ones that I disagree with.
@josephm8294 the fram xg is all I use.
Yeah I won’t be using this Fram filter in my Infiniti g35 now. Gonna go to Mobil1 if the Fram endurance also looks like this
If you have the room go to the larger 7317
I wonder why Fram would spend so much effort engineering the bypass valve and anti-drain back valve but use so little filter media.
What about the cardboard and caps Fram uses on their orange cans?
It's the 'cup style' end caps that are the problem here. Haven't seen those on Fram filters before.
Why does the cx5 oil fiter so small for a 2.5 l engine? I had a civic 2010 with a larger oil filter. The engine was 1.8 l.
Can you test the ability of a drain back valve to really work?
They work, I've had lots of oil filters sent to me that sitt had a lot of oil in them. I take a Qtip and put it in the inlet hole to drain the oil.
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Fram has far more Carbon build up in the media than the Mazda one. I think a clean filter would show the same as the Mazda in porosity.
That's because the Fram Ultra blocks more particles (carbon buildup), which the Mazda filter lets through. Whether or not the Fram Ultra is too restrictive so that it might reduce oil flow below Mazda specifications, is the only possible drawback.
What’s the name of your filter cutter tool?? You probably have cut open 100 brands. Looking to see how my vehicles oils changes look as well.
Thanks
Here's the one I use, www.speedwaymotors.com/Speedway-Engine-Motor-Oil-Filter-Cutter-Tool,2618.html?CSEGoogle&CSE&CSEGOOGLE&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiAloavBhBOEiwAbtAJOyMPhVP1l2tr4I1vxwZ8LcddH8SzEFxJr1GGizLbCM9ibZP_KPr7eRoCTjcQAvD_BwE
Hey, what happened to putting the numbers on the screen? Just saying... Thanks for what you do....
I do put them on the screen, not sure what numbers you're talking about. Thanks👍
The Fram looks so tiny. I have seen larger yogurt cups
Ha Ha🤣
Holy cow, the actual filter media is way less on the Fram. I Guarantee a ton of oil goes around the filter through the bypass, using that junk.
Seriously....the fram filter has less than half the filter medium than the Mazda filter.. that little thing will clog very quickly and all the oil including the dirty oil will go for sure through the bypass. The owner is lucky not experiencing any engine problems😮
The FRAM filter element looks smaller than the one on my lawnmower. Tiny
Yep, it is
Someone needs to make an oil filter opening tool that goes on a drill.
That would be nice😊👍
The PE01-14-302B is Mazda’s Mexico-made “value” filter. The WPE-14-302 is a better quality replacement.
Does this WPE version use anti drain back valve ?
@@kdomster9141 No, not required.
@@ChicagoRob2 why in previous Mazda oil filter models it was required?
@@kdomster9141 An anti drain-back valve is only needed on filters mounted sideways or upside down. They serve no useful purpose on standard mounted filters, since they will always be filled with oil upon startup. There are three different OEM filters available(one specifically for the SkyActiv turbos), and none have anti drain-back valves.
@@ChicagoRob2 Thanks for explaining , does this valve affect oil flow ? I'm trying to find out if it can have negative affect on filters performance on Skyacitv where it is mounted with opening pointed up.
Fram makes 3 top filters Ultra, titanium, endurance I will take these Fram they are very good in my opinion yes Sir and Pete you are the oil filter Man 😍💯😍
Thank You😊
The Fram Ultras are really good, just a shame, that their lower cost filters ( drive / extra guard / tough guard) are so unbelievably poorly made.
That because they don't give a shit about anything... If you think this filter is good??? My 9 year old nephew can design a better filter that their cheap-line filters.. Because fram are a bunch of amateurs
It's hard to spot the actual worn metal shavings greater than 20 microns with the naked eye...need a microscope to spot how much is caught in micrograms...and how many more micrograms are in the used 5 qts of oil in the drain pan after 5000 miles inside the engine
With only 5k for Amsoil SS I'm not surpised everthing is really clean. With this oil I would go max 15k probably is still ok at that mileage.
Thanks for your feedback. But I wouldn't go 15K on any engine oil. The oil gets dirty, doesn't matter how good the oil is.
Oil analysis would give the answer how far it can really go. Amsoil SS probably has the detergent/dispersant additive package to go the 15k given how well the Group IV base oil resists breakdown. The question then is if your filter media has the necessary capacity for an OCI that long.
With the short intervals that he runs I’d take the Tokyo Roki. It looks to have more attention to detail than the Fram. The Roki filters can be purchased without Mazda’s branding on them quite reasonably. I understand that the customer wants to take good care of his Mazda but at those intervals he can achieve the same protection for much less money than the Signature Series oil. The Signature Series is similar to Mobil’s top shelf long drain oils in that they only shine if you have an application that can run LONG oil drain intervals without detrimental effects.
No way I am using a Fram on my MX5.
I would go by mazda not fram. Regardless ! Fram would be always a poor design no matter how much where you improve it still bad quality. And you said you would go by fram. Good luck!
I would buy the Fram Endurance in the FE7317 size.
@@WhipCityWrencher If you use syntetic oil only Again Fram is poor quality. I saw one of my mechanics shop around the area complaining about oil intervals with Frams verities of ultra filters results. He said too much engine debries and burnt smells in all cars he changed oils every 3 months or 4k miles.
Mazda filter by a mile! That fram will be running bypass a lot once you plug up the tiny filter media! ....and destroying your engine, unless you change very frequently. The more videos I see of fram, the more I'm staying FAR away from them!
The Fram has almost no filtering media...... horrible filter.
Those are crap use wix
I wouldn’t put a Fram anything on a lawnmower.
This is a Fram Ultra, not a regular Fram you are used to,