FE Ford Cylinder Head Rebuild - Serdi 4.5 Three Angle Valve Job
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- This video walks through the entire process of remanufacturing a set of FE Ford cylinder heads for a nearly bone stock 390 FE we are building in the shop.
These heads get cleaned and inspected before all new valve guides and valve seats are installed in the head.
After the multi-angle valve job is performed on our new Serdi 4.5 valve seat machine we finish these heads off with resurfacing the intake manifold surface, exhaust manifold surface, and head gasket surface. Finally they are reassembled with new valves, springs, valve stem seals, keepers, and the stock retainers.
Equipment Used:
-Peterson Industrial Bake Oven
-Steelabrator Steel Shot Blast Machine
-Peterson TCM-25 Valve Seat and Guide Machine
-Serdi 4.5 Valve Seat and Guide Machine
-Rogers Machine Company RMC-1000 Surfacing Mill
-Kansas Instruments/Peterson Spray Cabinet
-Various additional hand tools
Parts List:
-D2TE-AA Cylinder Heads
-SBI Intake Seats
-SBI Exhaust Seats
-SBI Valve Guides
-Engine Pro Intake Valves
-Engine Pro Exhaust Valves
-Engine Pro Valve Springs
-EOK Valve Stem Seals
-Pioneer Valve Keepers
-Ford OEM Retainers
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This is the perfect example as to why the cost of quality machining is soooo worth it.. Even though its a "stock" rebuild, I'd put money on it that the engine lasts another lifetime because of the strict quality standards set forth from the start of the project.. Well done! I enjoyed watching this immensely!
A trick with the Serdi (that you may already know) when you encounter chatter that is giving you fits:
Turn the spindle off and bring the cutter down until it just touch the seat.
Then turn on your spindle until it just starts to spin, holding very light pressure on the down feed handle.
That will get rid of 95% of chatter problems.
Sorry to be long winded; I rebuilt engines for 23 years and feel compelled to pass on tips and tricks I learned along the way.
Thanks for sharing. I am a manual mill, lathe and cylindrical grinder operator. I make gears, spindles and stuff so I'm not new to machining. I want to start my own business of engine machine shop. Any advice? Or are there any books that I can read to get more familiar with the job?
Why does an engine shop cost so much? Because its well worth it. This video proves it
This is not true I spend 3 grand on machine work for a complete workup of two engine heads both heads were completely ruined pistons ruined, forged rods not intended to be ground were ground and weakened at the bolt area, crank was offset ground progressively on each journal from being ok at the trans side to 5mm offset at the front bearing, all ruined due to the fact the machine shop (green Lee machine in Baton Rouge) had interns fresh out of school working on my second visit. My first engine done was perfect, as the owner did that engine. But the interns completely turned my last engine into scrap. And I wasnt able to do anything because it took me a little over a year to get back on my feet from a complex surgery
His dad taught him the right way to do quality work consistently as repetitive as that job can be sometimes ,excellence by designed discipline steps...
I would pay for this machine work any day I just will have to save up... his work is so SO much better than any work I've seen
@@Engine_biulds that would be poor operation of said expensive engine shop
@@milotorres6894 well when you have the knowledge to do it right every time as accurate and consistent as this young man it’s more than just work it’s a lifestyle
I’m sure the FE community would love to see more work like this. 👍
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Your narration of your workflow is sooo good. Very informative!
I really enjoyed watching you do that, you are a credit to your dad with the same work ethic. Get it as good as possible within the anomaly's of working with old engine castings. If I lived in the states and needed engine machining done, I would sent the parts to your shop to get the work done . No matter where in the states I lived.
Factory specification? I'd say 50% better than factory spec! Love the videos. Superb details in both video and description.
Doing level 2 apprenticeship for auto tech. Our engines teacher assigned us this video to watch and get an idea instead of just reading dry out of the textbook.
Just letting you know that your video definitely gave me a better understanding, and hopefully you hearing that my engines teacher assigned us to watch it, compells you to make more informative videos such as this one. I enjoyed it very much, especially your step by step info. Take care
You do some really good work your customers are lucky to have you and your dad around !
Interesting trick with the freeze plugs in the exhaust seats. I’ll keep that in mind if our tig machine ever goes down, at the shop I work at we use a tig torch with no filler and just run around the seat, once it cools it’s lose enough to pop them out with a crowbar(? Not sure what the exact name is, I’m new to the engine machining career, just started 4 months ago) your channel is part of what made me chose this path, thank you for the amazing and informative videos.
Another very good video. I really enjoy watching these video. Please keep up the good work.
Great to a young man taking such pride in his work
Came to the comments to say exactly the same !
Ok boomer
I have used automotive machine shops for years but it's always seemed like a little black magic...nice to see how the process works
I had a 1962 Galaxie 500 Ford with a 406 motor. The left head was warped and I had to change the head gasket every week or 2. The only problem I had was the oil pump shaft would fall off the distributor and fall into the oil pan. I don't know how many shafts were in the oil pan but occasionally I could hear them rattling around in there.
What changes to the compression ratio and head gasket dimensions occur when the head surfacing removes 5 thou?
Interesting video, especially since I’ve just had this work done to my FE heads, and it didn’t turn out good. Valves came in at different height and being used to engines with adjustable valve train I didn’t think of checking the height before assembly and test start. Exhaust valve on cylinder 4 was higher than the others and the lifter probably bottomed out causing the valve to burn. I had to pull the intake, replace the lifter and fiddle with pushrod lengths to make sure the lifter had correct play. Now the engine doesn’t run on number 4 at idle so the heads need to come off again and get redone. A shame that my machinist didn’t put the same pride into his work as you do.
there is a stem height that i e r a furnaces and a true machine shop would go back and check the stem eye to where the spring seats and cut it to that height don't think either one of these shops understands that.. check the stem height your butt stems if you need to then you clean the heads and put them together and it's done check area it's really not hard to do it wish I got 50 years experience doing this.
That’s a beautiful set of heads with the perfect machined surfaces.
How does your shop handle the FE intake to head connection? When the intake side of the head is surfaced, metal is removed which slightly widens the distance where the intake manifold seats between the heads. Stock FE are notorious for intake gasket leaks even when they were new. After a couple of head jobs, significant amounts of material may have been removed. Do you have the customer bring in the intake manifold to check the fit with the heads installed on the block? Some gasket companies made thicker gaskets to compensate for that but I don't know if there is enough demand for FE gaskets for the various thickness gaskets to still be manufactured.
I love your TH-cam videos because they're more detailed. Keep it up and bring on more
This is some good content man. I really enjoy watching this. Keep it up! 💪
Great video! You method of removing seats was suprising. Will it work on dodge 5.9 magnum heads?
Another great video! I know these are obviously more time consuming than a short Tiktok, but they are very helpful for the community. Especially me, I learn so much from your videos. Thank you.
Always excited to watch them when they get released!
Thanks Corey! I sincerely apologize that I have not gotten back to you regarding your TCM-25... crazy busy. Not meaning to blow you off, but please be patient with me 🙃
So satifying to wach your videos! If I lived in America I would love to give my Engine to your shop for refresh and rebuild. WOW.. Love your work!
The steel shot gives a much nicer finish than bead blasting. Nice job.
Very enjoyable watching a craftsman at work.
Dad may be able to retire in the not to distant future knowing that the business is in excellent hands. 😊 Great work
Wow. Awesome machines.. I was an engine machinist about 20 years ago... Miss it. Your videos give me a great feeling that I haven't felt in a long time. Thinking about going back to machining race engines.
The Serdi is definitely a great piece of equipment to have in the shop.
The downside to running an Engine Shop is getting paid your worth.
In my part of the world seems most shops are very busy trying to undercut every other shop ??
Not sure how things work in your part of the world ?
I was interested to start up an Engine Shop many years ago, but for the above reason i decided it might be best to give it a miss.
I am a lot happier doing what i am doing now.
Nice to see a young tradesman taking pride in his work. On top of that it’s awesome to see a TH-cam channel dedicated to this trade. It may give people some understanding on how much care needs to be taken to perform trade.
Nice work man. Your customers definitely get what they pay for.
Awesome work wish I was closer to you guys I had a “ known shop“ do my rocket 350. Not impressed to say the least. A red flag should’ve been when they told me they couldn’t find flat top pistons that there wasn’t any available for my engine. I was able to order them on the spot from Summit and they were just speed pro flattop pistons
I'm sure it was worth it,but can you share the cost of this job with us?
Super nice job, the fumes from welding the galvanized freeze plugs is extremely toxic, a good old handmade thumbs up to you, Merry Christmas to you and yours.
Next time I order something I’m going to send a shirt button for Jim, he is so proud of you his chest pushes those buttons right off of them!
Seriously I think you are inspirational to watch! We can criticize today’s youths but you really are an exceptionally talented young man, both in machining operation and in narrating these exceptionally informative videos!
Congrats young man!
Top notch sir, wish you the best for building up a craft & being professional on it, rather than dwindling between cubicles.
Much obliged for the insight & sharing the knowledge, learnt a ton.
I've done so many 356/360/390/428 heads over the years,one of the worst factory machined head to begin with. Nice when you correct all the problems. I seem to recall heads with 1 or 2 spring seats taller than all the others on one end of the head.
That’s for sure. I built a many of them referencing the tip not off the spring seats but using a large strait edge clamped to a precision flat surface so it could reference off the head surface. I then used a dial indicator to set the tip height. Worked great!
Excellent video very informative thanks
Such a neat tidy clean job 👌
You'd never put them back on the engine, have them as show and tell ornaments in the house 😎
Beautiful beautiful beautiful!!! I wish everyone is so precise and thorough as you 👍
When you're speaking about trying to grind the surfaces flat on heads that have been used. Especially things like cast iron heads. Could have you do 50 to about 100,000 miles or more on them. They will Warp. He has nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not they were flat at the outset who ground them or what they ground them with. There is no way to draw that conclusion. They were probably flat as they could be made when they were new. The advantage to using a head that has a hundred thousand miles on it is that it will not warp anymore and it will maintain that flatness for probably the rest of its existence.
On that first valve, you said that it didn't look like you needed to do that at all. I don't know what you were looking at, but it took at least 12 of 15 Strokes of that stone before the red marking was completely clear. Now I do not know what your feed rate was but that was only about 1 to1 and a half thousandth . Probably would have come off if all you had done is lapped them and you have to do that anyway to make sure that the valves and the seats are completely meshed.
But I do like how you were showing us how that machine works.
Really indepth and excellent job, learned quite a bit today. Thanks mate 👍
I am an FE fan great job I hope there's a guy like you in my area Buffalo NY .
Very nice workmanship almost a shame to use them they look so good
Nice shop and equipment. Very professional work and confident craftsman
Question- what angle did you resurface the valve? I know you stated 45 degrees for sealing surface on seats
very nice work buddie thank's very much it was very informative and entertaining
Great video! Wish you where closer. Do you ship to canada?
It’s nice to see that the cylinder head holding fixture is tall enough to measure the valve height as well. Back in the day I was doing cylinder heads on a old float table . PITA !
Liked your catch of factory defects in the valve seats having pourous inclusions coming out on the resurface of the old ones ,👍💪😊🙏
Excellent craftsmanship, what was the final time frame from start to finish, as well as price tag, labor & parts ????
Great video! Those heads will probably work better than factory!
This was super interesting. And the explanation was detailed enough for a professional, yet understandable enough for a beginner.
Could you maybe show a bit more detailed look on how you got them to look like new already before machining? :D Like how the cleaning process works n stuff..
Thank you! I can definitely do a detailed video on cleaning processes we use sometime. I
More great work. However a kind suggestion is to Tig weld the core plugs to remove valve seats. Far cleaner, just as quick and you can just fuse them together, no cleaning. . Thank you.
Back in the day, i actually learned how to grind valve seats by hand, with a 3/8 electric drill.
cool video i need some work done
A rough is not bad when you have a cast iron head & cast iron block. They Expand & Contract at the same Rate so they won't tare the inside of the head gasket apart. Aluminum heads need a glass like surface.
Great instructional video..you are a good teacher. Everytime I see a machine that is cutting things to extreme tolerances I wonder how you keep the machine perfect. They must wear some... when do you know it needs to be rebuilt?
Nice work. How much can you remove from the deck surface of a V engine head before you have to remove stock from the intake surface?
Nice work man, never seen these automotive machines before
Dude. I'm envious of your knowledge and skills.
Hey keep this up your very good at your job, and people like us love this stuff plus sooo much more in the engine, and all about.
If your going to take this much care i would time-sert. Helacoil suck to deal with later.
Great video. Very informative. First time I see the process of rebuilding engine heads. Thank you
Very cool idea on the valve seat removal!
So much care is hard to find in a shop these days!
i live in san jose CA, how to find this class training this job
Great work and an excellent video. Where do you get the specs for things like how far to press in the guides and how much to trim off?
Some of it it’s knowing from experience. Some of it is comparing and measuring the old parts before you start. Other than that, AERA Prosis Pro software!
I’m not working in the machine shop for 27 years now, but I’m curious about the clearances and specifications for auto machine work.
The first machine that was used is specifically designed for the work and the machining of the valve seats everything seems to be determined by a slip fit what’s the tolerance of the valve guide I noticed the diamond hone I’m glad to see you use a diamond hone it’s faster and more consistent than other methods of polishing a hole to size. What’s the plus minus on the size 0.001+ - or less 0.0005?
I don’t see you checking the hole size of the guides with any gauges such as air contactless measurements. The plugs are sized to 0.0015 smaller than the holes and mounted on a tool which allows clean compressed air at around 25 psi to the inside of the bore how much air leaks by helps determine how big the bore size is. Your machines are very nice and the work is a little different than what I am used to.
Great job . Well performed .
Great job, very Informative
Pro job, keep up the good work.
thumbs up and subscribed
I also wish we were closer, I have a 352 FE that needs TLC.
Wish you were closer! Excellent work! I would bring all my work to you.
Buddy,, you did a great job on the heads and the video,, you were articulate and clear I was able to understand everything you said easily..
If you make more videos and I highly encourage you to do so,, I will gladly watch them..
Great job..
BEAUTIFUL WORK youngster 👌👌👌👌!!!.......You're going to WORK ON MY fe 390
awesome thanks! do more of these
This is the stuff I do, video of all my work because otherwise you wouldn't know the depth of detail we go into when doing head work. 😍
Very nice work! Hard to find machine shop that takes pride in there work.
Awesome video love these detailed explanations of a job no one knows exist, thank you
Something you may not know is that when re surfacing FE head's!!!
It is very important to now how much you take off of them !!!!
Because of the fixed rocker assembly!!!
You may need thicker head gaskets or shorter push rods !!!
We ran into that with a 360ci !!
It pump the lifters up and shut down the engine till cooled down !!!
0.020 shorter push rods fixed it !!!!
😊👍👍👍👍👍👍🌎🌞
OLÁ. muito interessante a máquina. O sistema de troca de séde de válvula é antiquado e inseguro. A vedação entre válvula e séde além do grau possui uma área específica de vedação, o que é possível constatar. ABRAÇOS Roberto Udo Krapf
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Should stick adjustable rocker studs in dem dar heads....I would never go back to torque style rockers....ever....I'm old school and remember them always ticking after awhile...ask the cleaner guy ...he knows what I'm talking about....lol
Great vids man ! Keep’em coming, really enjoy watching them all and learning what i didnt already know.
Did you not have to cc the chambers to know where you at compression wise ?
Why not tig the old seats so there is no spatter ???
At the time I didn’t have a TIG machine!
Now I do lol, just haven’t tried it yet.
Maybe I missed it, but couldn't ya just Heat the cylinder Head a bit & dry Ice Chill the new Seat Rings for a less Brutal hammer slug fest seat ring Insertion effort ?? ......I hate beating up freshly machined iron & new parts.....
OSHA can bust your chops about the seat driver because of the splintering of the handle ..,
There used to be a bunch of machine shops in my area, but now we're down to one that I know of. There's good money in this trade if you're good, and if you're not, you won't last. I worked at a Honda dealership forb14 years, and they stopped machining brake rotors several years ago, simply selling rotors with each brake job.
There used to be a machine shop in a local NAPA, and I work at a different NAPA with the daughter of the man who ran the machine shop. She wanted to learn his job, but he was too "old school". (This is no job for a woman, etc.)
She's not exactly a "girly girl", and she works on her own cars, as well as others. She often thinks of where she could have been today if she had learned this trade at her dad's side.
Stop eating McDonalds! If you're following in the footsteps of your old man, that means that the day you have today will probably be the day you have for the next 20 years. Make today a healthier day! It'll add up fast! Peace and love!
Lol.. have u ever made the mistake of welding the valve seat insert... To the actual valve seat.. to the head pretty much... Cause that's what I thought u said, if u listen to the video. Lol.
But just wondering if that's ever happened. And what would be done then???
Where did you get your table top made/bought for the three USG boxes?
Had a local company build it for us to our dimensions lol
are you any kin to the pittsburgh, PA (circa 1900) wolframs?
Some of the better machine work I’ve seen. I’ve paid large amounts for “quality machine work” and received subpar machine work. Like installed heights that weren’t that same and poorly machines throats on seats that took me lots of hrs to blend. And another thing wouldn’t an insurance to correct valve grinding be done before final seat cutting?
FE heads can be a can of worms once you start.. Installed heights are pretty important as "most" had non adjustable rockers.. The other thing... surfacing the combustion side of heads... It is a good idea to make sure your customer knows to "dry fit" the intake manifolds.. it is not at all unusual to do an FE that had to have heads cut that the intake no longer fits correctly.. (just one particular about FE heads that can be problematic) Not sure what your shop rates are but it is not unusual to spend $1000 or more on these old heads.. Looks like your shop does some awesome work...
Can you fix a head that's cracked and if you can show us how please feed me more. Have you ever had to punch out the spark plug hole and install a new hole with threads. Or is this even possible. I have heard a new Ford pickups blowing spark plugs out some of the bad threads no threads but is this even possible to do. And I love to trick you about the freeze plugs for the removing exhaust valve seat thank you for the input. And I'm starving man Feed me more
Мастерская мечты🥲, это тебе не ручными шарошками (Зенковки) работать стоимостью 3000 руб.
Always add an entry lead to the shaft when drift/press fitting! Centre Lathes don't seem to have much of a showing in engine reconditioning shops.
Very entertaining. Very informative.
Wish you were in Texas. Need to do this to a 4.0L jeep head.
Ahh nice the Serdi video!
Why don't we get to see 1/4 of what he's actually doing ? Camra is way back or his hand hides it ? NOT GOOD!
H3y. Thanks for taking us along the way and showing the process!! Would love to get into performance engine machining but not many around this area