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When Michael Jordan Made The Blazers Regret EVERYTHING
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ส.ค. 2024
- A story about the 1984 NBA Draft, and the devastating realization of the Portland Trail Blazers organization.
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After watching the video, at which point do you think the Blazers knew they screwed up??...
SPEAKING of screwed up… For those of you who saw this originally an hour ago, I had to re-upload it, because I originally uploaded the wrong file, so it didn’t have any background music. The silence was awkward af, so I had to correct it. Lol.
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watched the original video, still enjoyed it!!
Personally, I think they knew after the Olympics. A rookie that just literally lead the team to gold
idk how you can pick some random guy above a guy who was called "the greatest player ever" in college ngl
MJ didnt need any great center to win a championship! If he had any of top 10 center who knows how many rings he would catch!
Being a blazers fan is so hard man 😂
Not really at least y’all got an ring
@@montyFRnot in like 50 years
@@elivandrisseBetter than none
@@hyabberhane damn. Your profile pic tells a thousand words.
Great franchise though lol
I've finished all of your videos and this was much needed 😂Honestly crazy to think of what MJ's career would look like not only being in the West but pairing with Clyde over Scottie
8 rings baby, two notch scores Jordan shooting guard, clyde small forward, devastating combo, how much better this two would have made each other
Jordan may have done better. He would have had a better supporting cast much earlier. Clyde would play SF and at a long 6’7, he could play that. In 84 before Jordan was drafted, Bulls were 27 win team and Blazers 48.
I couldn't see it happening better than MJ and Scottie. Clyde can't compare to Scottie defensively and how the coach visionize the team. That bulls team was put together with a little bit of luck.
@@hufinnpuff3068 Jordan won 2 3peats with almost entirely different cast. I think MJ would have had just as many championships if not more if he went to POR where they were already a near 50 win team the year before he was drafted. of course it really is a matter of still putting the pieces together but considering POR was in the finals in 90 & 92, I think they could have put a championship team together quicker than the Bulls
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Sometimes you just need to take the best available player. Michael and Clyde were 6'6 and 6'7 and one of them could have easily moved to the small forward position. They both would have outscored their competition almost every night regardless if they were starting at the #2 or #3. Handling both of those guys on one team would have been very difficult. Although, Jordan up in Portland I am not sure he would have become as popular as if he played in Chicago.
Yeah, the "we already have a 2" take is so dumb, when the 2 and 3 are so interchangeable. What's crazy is that they didn't learn their lesson, and then did it all over again with Oden and Durant. lol
@@jonnyarnettand anyways Clyde was coming off the bench since their wings were Kiki Vandeweghe and Jim Paxson, brother of John Paxson who played Mike in Chicago.
@@jonnyarnett Oden was better than KD in college
@@jonnyarnettOden would have been great if not for injuries
Or at the very least you select the best player aviable, and if you still need desperatly something else in term of role, the new rookie (or the player he will go to replace) can be used in a trade to obtain someone else that fit the needs (and with more experience and/or talent already in the NBA)
Brilliant video as usual.
That 92 final must felt amazing for MJ after all this.
Jordan and Drexler at the 2/3 would have been killer. Definitely could've worked.
Remember when bob knight was asked if the blazers should draft Jordan even though they needed a center.
He said "draft him and play him at center then. Hes that good"
Forgot about that statement. Honestly should have included it in the video.
Bobby Knight also gave high praise to KD too after he faced him at Texas. The Blazers blew it again, of course.
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@@MJIZZEL I do!! good to see ya man. Glad to know you're still around :) She's doing well! I'll actually be visiting her and my dad soon, so that should be fun
Good video, Jonny!
I had read about the 1984 Draft, but not as much about the 84 season, so it was great getting to learn more from your video :). I think Portland choosing Bowie was understandable, but also was one of the biggest mistakes in NBA draft history.
I too think there was a good chance that Jordan took being drafted after Bowie personally. I wonder (and wouldn't be surprised) if he also took it personal that Houston did not draft him first lol.
Have a great week!
It is sad, Jordan and Durant two players that blazers choose not to pick, Jordan well, is just leave it at well, Durant was almost same same size as Oden,, and better overall, complete waste of pick, 2, 1, worse was 1
@@orehsogan8470 So true. I agree it's very sad that it's happened twice to the Blazers. Teams definitely need to pick the best player available instead of at need when they're drafting that high.
While this is certainly a big draft mistake, I'd argue the Timberwolves were worse in the 2009 draft when they drafted 2 point guards with back to back picks in the first round. Neither of then was Steph Curry, who was selected shortly after.
same with darko
🤣 Darko was wild smh
l would say greatest mistake in nba history was -
Hawks tradind Bill Russel to celtics
Second biggest blazers twice in different eras
The Hawks received Ed McCauley and Cliff Hagen, two HOFers, in the trade. They won a chip in 1958 and made the finals in 1957, 1960 and 61. So it's tough to say it's the "greatest" mistake.
The funniest point in this Jordan vs Bowie episode is that everyone only mentioned the team picked 2nd. Why wasn't the team picked first getting roasted?
No one ever said that the Rockets made a mistake for selecting Akeem (for oldies like me, I still remember he was "Akeem Abdul Olajuwon", not "Hakeem Olajuwon" to which he changed in the 90s) instead of Jordan, even though they had already had Ralph Sampson as center. Hakeem is no Jordan, not even close to be a GOAT, not even the greatest center of all time, but no way that's a mistake.
The Blazers have been on the receiving end of a couple MJ's legendary games but I think this hurt WAY more than 1992
This is rough bro. I'm sure Blazers fans think about this everyday. They don't need a video about it.
Watched the original, gonna let this one replay
Means a lot man! Helps that average view time.
@@jonnyarnett Yes sir
The version of this video with no music was very good too
Lol. Thanks man. A little too eerily quiet for my taste, but Im glad you enjoyed it :)
I so wish i lived in the other universe where Brandon Roy never got injuries and fulfilled his potential.
Greg Oden too
That team would be a monster ff Brandon Roy, and Greg Oden wasn't injured, Aldridge, Rudy Fernandez, Batum, etc. That era of Blazers I rooted for although I am a Bulls fan just because of Roy and Greg.
Walton too. It may have been brief but they could have been a perennial powerhouse had he not been plagued by injuries.
I thought it was a whole new video for a minute. I was like you’re uploading hourly now??!! 😂
The blazers made bad calls passing on Jordan and Durant which upsets me as a trailblazers fan.... on the other hand as a fan of Jordan and Durant I think it's a good thing for both of them that the trailblazers passed on them. The trailblazers never really seem to build properly around stars .
The Glide and Mj on the same team would have been insane. Imagine the transitions and fast breaks. They could have just got some role playing big men to build around them without having to waste their pick.
Damn blazers , damn.
And then they missed out on KD years later. Being a Blazers fan must be heartbreaking
True...I told someone I hadn't watched Greg Oden play in college except for his last game in the tournament so I didn't know much about him but I saw Kevin Durant a lot during the year. I told them I would go with KD as that dude was putting up 30pt/20 rebound games. He got high praise from Bobby Knight too just like MJ did after he coached him in the Olympics. The Blazers should have learned from their 1984 mistake. It's not like people weren't talking about the same thing happening before those guys got drafted.
KD probably woulda bolted from Portland at some point without winning a title. It's in his DNA
Pistons fan here. The Blazers pick made sense at the time. WE drafted Darko…
Sam B was a beast in HS and college and was the right pick considering Clyde on the Balzers. Injuries for Sam and Mike is just Mike is the only reason we questioned Sam. He was nice.
You’re still the GOAT ❤
'Play Jordan at center!' -- Bobby Knight
Meanwhile the Pistons are hoping nobody remembers the last time they had a second overall pick.
Darko milic, pick over Dwayne wade, but wade was better pick than Carmelo, one of his strengths was Jordan fiery competition, but either Carmelo or wade are not the same level as Jordan, that is the reason is salty, but not a dagger to the heart
And the last time before that? Isiah!!!
So they are hitting .500
Greatest mistake? For sure drafting someone who didn't become an all star ahead of Jordan is crazy, but what about the 40 picks before Jokic. I wonder how the gm with 40th overall pick feels about it.
Different era, not worth mentioning, did you forgot Sabonis, oh thanks, I guess with Jordan and Drexler, Sabonis, would have come in come much early, Sabonis Ct, Drexler SF, Jordan SG, wow forget 8 rings more like 10 rings or more, thks blazers, the biggest dynasty ever late 80 to late 90, wow
Tangential, but I think it's a hilarious mark of how good Hakeem was that people *don't* clown on the Rockets for picking him. There are not a lot of guys in league history you could pick over Jordan and have people go, "yeah, wrong pick, but at least it was reasonable"
Hard rooting for my most hated rival growing up a Sonics fan in Washington on the border with Oregon. Now my home team baby
As a Portland born and raised, it's hard to be a Blazer fan but it's much harder to see what they did to our city.
He's more iconic being in Chicago.
GOAT 🐐
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Oden over Durant was worse because the Blazers didn't learn from their own history of such a mistake.:
1984: Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan because size/position over talent.
2007: Greg Oden over Kevin Durant because size/position over talent.
That sounds better 🤣 No worries johnny
I’d like to see a vid exploring if drexler and Hakeem both played for the blazers. Imagine that duo in their prime!
Also ..they have Jim Paxson ..budding star at the time too... he was all nba 2nd team in 1984....
The Blazers notorious draft history also included their #1 pick in 1972.
When they had the #1 pick, they chose LaRue Martin. The #2 pick? of course it's a HOFer, Bob McAdoo. Two other HOFers were also available in that draft: Paul Westphal and Julius Erving.
Jordan and Drexler would have been epic, both hard working, captain-level talent that would have meshed well. But MJ landing in Chicago, a larger media market with WGN to nationally broadcast games… was perfect. Portland would not been able to handle what MJ brought.
Real ones know this is a re-upload
When there is an amazing talent, and everyone knows it don’t overthink it. Just draft the guy. Imagine being in the draft room as the blazers played mental gymnastics as to why they wouldn’t draft the clearly better player.
Blazers is one unlucky org.
- Walton injury plague career (though they managed to win 1)
- Sam Bowie
- 4th Qtr melt down
- Oden
- Roy
I've read the Book of Basketball, plumbed other sources, and even asked my dad about this time and I still can't see how a guy as injury prone as Sam could've gotten chosen over MJ knowing people knew MJ was *better * than Sam in college *and* was obviously healthier.
Good video today
Hindsight is 20/20, but damn this will always hurt Portland.
The Blazers center position is cursed. From Bill Walton to Greg Oden. Sam Bowie is just a casualty of the curse. They couldn’t even get an all time great center like Avydas Sabonis at his peak due to communism.
glad i wasn’t the only one who was like where’s the music?
Kind of random but I would love if you made a video about Len Bias
Blazers really missed out on 3 potential dynasties:
Bill Walton mid 70's-80's
Arvyda Sabonis from 1990-2000 imagine the Clyde and Sabonis duo
Greg Oden and Brandoy Roy lare 00s-mid 10's
That on top of the 2000 series vs the Lakers? Ufff tough run.
What's interesting is the Blazers were still only 2 wins away from going to 3 straight Finals in the early 90's but couldn't get over that hump as they ran into the Bad Boys, Magic & MJ.
@@jtremaine23 prime sabonis wouldve made those some veeeery interesting series. They were already a verygood team
Not a Blazers fan, but losing that big lead to the shaq-kobe lakers in game 7 of the wcf was the most devastating imo. You can't predict, much less control the future. If you build mainly through the draft you're pretty much leacing things to fate at least 50 percent. However, they had that game --- and arguably a chip --- in the bag, but they got RATTLED at the worst possible time. Mind you, they assembled a team through free agency and trades during that iteration. Now that was something they fully had control over, but they let it slip away. In the words of the immortal donald j trump: SAD 😢
I don't think it was a stupid mistake. They are just a victim of the circumstances. Drexler was untradable at the time but they did rely on him to be their superstar shooting guard, which he eventually did (just not at the same level as MJ)
They screwed up on draft night. Always take talent over hype.
Drexler said in a recent interview that the blazers were threatening to fine players for saying they should draft Jordan.
If the Blazers had selected Michael Jordan in the 1984 NBA Draft, the Clyde Drexler/Jordan duo would have certainly been created.
If the duo of Jordan and Drexler had materialized, the Blazers would have been a very strong team.
Still, Jordan was the right choice to be drafted by the Bulls.
Sam Bowie wasn't a star player like Jordan or Charles Barkley, but he was a very good role player.
St. Louis Hawks passing on Bill Russell is probably worse…
I agreed with you most of the video, but one thing Jonny: June of 1984, that summer, the charts belongs to Prince, not Jackson.😂😂😂
In early June??? I guess I might have been looking at that wrong…
24th like kobeee
Clyde & MJ on the same squad would have been a problem
i have a question for everyone...
would you consider a hyped player who gets hit with a lot of unfortunate injuries, so never quite reaching his potential, a bust?
or
would you consider a hyped player who stays relatively healthy but never pans out to anything and just becomes mediocre, a bust?
genuinely curious as to your opinions, because i'm kind of confused as to which one defines a bust...
Further, what becomes of 90 and 92 Finals if MJ is on the Blazers?
Gotta get those views
I can't fault the Blazers for their pick because it seemed logical and understandable at the time. Now Minnesota on the other hand..
One thing I will say about the Blazers is if Sabonis had okayed earlier with them, they would've been a real scary team. Not only that prime Sabonis fixes a lot of the issues the Blazers had which prevented them from reaching the mountian top.
To bad I was a Sonics fan back then lol 🎉🎉🎉🎉I thought it was hilarious
TH-cam keeps doing you dirty with these reuploads man
YES!!!!!!!!!
No both Drexler and Mike was going end up on the rockets but Portland didn't want Sampson and he was almost a sixer
This what definitely the biggest mistake in history ever in a NBA draft for sure💯💯💯💯
Blazers still built very strong team around Drexler which made NBA finals twice. So they didn't really end up badly with the choices they made. Similar situation was with Orlando Magic when they could have picked Chris Webber but they decided to have Penny instead. Building your team based on talent is not always a good idea. Look at Dallas Mavericks. They have the talent but they don't have a team.
I mean they already had Clyde.. maybe Clyde could've been the 3 and MJ the 2 bur even if Portland drafted Charles Barkley and Clyde stayed at the 2 that's a team that would have interesting potential with Clyde and Chuck in their primes.. hey then chuck wouldnt have moses to mentor him like he did so who knows how things would go redrfated... sane with 03 draft and pistons picking darko
This will always be the biggest feather in the cap of those who preach to always pick the best player available over position. It is indeed funny re-watching old drafts and seeing all-time players consistently passed over because a team is already "set" at a position, fast forward a few years and that starter isn't on the roster anymore and is mostly forgotten. At least the Blazers fared much better with Clyde than most do in this situation.
Facts
yes
Honestly, seeing the Blazers history and the general health of their best players, if they had picked MJ he probably would have blown out his achillies or something by 25 after him and Drexler won 1 ring.
The more interesting video would be the Houston selection.
They already had Ralph Sampson
What if they paired him with Michael Jordan?
The Rockets went to the finals in '86 with Sampson. MJ could've had his first chip in '86
The Blazers would've taken Hakeem and reancted Phi Slama Jama 10 years before the Rockets finally did it.
The Bulls would be obsolete and we would be talking about how the Rockets and Blazers derailed the Celtics and Lakers
8:40 wtf Jordan?? That was not human lol
As someone who doesn't follow basketball, even i raised an eyebrow to that.
@@turbo8628 I’m a bulls fan born after the championships. I thought I’ve seen every crazy layup of MJ but nope
@@tmac731 i know the feeling. My team was winning all sorts in the 70s and 80s. I grew up watching them do nothing in the 90s, but they did win the odd cup in the 2000s and become contenders again in the 2010s. Seen them win everything now, but nothing like the teams i grew up hearing about.
Seems to me that the lakers are consistently up there besides the celtics in the 80s and bulls in the 90s. Same sport, very different realities for the fans.
Bring back our Sonics!
History: drafting best talent always turns out better than drafting needs
Blazers: But we REALLY need Bill Walton 2.0
WTH? I just watched a video posted yesterday, and already there's a new one today from Jonny? :O
It’s easy to talk about things in hindsight. Blazer had Drexler at the time and he was very good for them. They didn’t need another wing player but a tall forward. Obviously it was a mistake but who would have said MJ was going to be the goat in 1984. There have been great college players that failed or not lived up to expectation.
If one could see the future. You would be the most powerful and richest person in the world. Nobody can do this.
You can say this about any player that became amazing. Kobe, KD, Dirk, etc
To me it was a missed opportunity, if you could foresee the future. But, when you think about it a bit, it made more sense for the Blazers to try to find someone to complement their previous gamble on Drexler than to find someone that would lead to competition between both players.
Sabonis, Drexler, Jordan, forget the warriors, all the passes, scoring and rings they would have won, sabonis still would have been drafted by blazers, the soviets would have allow sabonis to come much early, Jordan lead team defeat Soviets, a great professional team at the Olympics, having the face of the west and face of communist, wow blazers, just wow, the greatest dynasty that you denied us to witness
@@orehsogan8470 When you play what-ifs, you would see Len Bias, Scottie Pippen, Gary Payton and Shawn Kemp up north. It's the making of a dynasty. I would say it's definitely a match against Sabonis/Drexler/Jordan.
Just wanna help the video
I honestly think the blazers are cursed. They could've had Bob McAdoo and Moses Malone but didn't take or keep them due to being told not to draft him in McAdoo and not knowing his greatness in Malone. I cam understand where Portland was coming from with their decision but even then, I remember hearing somewhere that if they were to go back and redo the draft, they still wouldn't take Jordan.
I wonder what things would have ended up like if Portland drafted Jordan. Would they have had Jordan and Drexler play 2 and 3? Would Jordan have developed the way he did and been such a dominant force? Maybe one would have been traded after a few years. The possibilities are interesting.
What's crazy is that if they REALLY needed a bigman they could've taking this guy who went 5th name CHARLES BARKLEY
Forgot Sabonis, just imagine using Jordan as a leverage to bring Sabonis over, the soviets would have like that, primetime, the men who stop sabonis lead team to Olympic medal, winning rings, blazers really screw themselves, those 3 wow, the name of Jordan already was known by the soviets, they would have use sabonis to show case their best player ever
I just hate that this whole thing would have been a moot point if Bowie had been honest at the draft but it's hard to blame a guy when he's staring at a million-dollar contract. Clearly Bill Walton was the better prospect but at least him and all his issues paid off with a ring.
Also I didn't realize that Clyde had such a subpar rookie campaign. I have always forgiving Portland because I just assumed they knew they had a superstar on their hands already. Now it looks like a tiny bit more of a questionable decision but you still can't blame franchise for going big back in those days hell they were still picking Michael olowokandi and kwame Brown by the late90s
If Blazers drafted Jordan, Jordan may have done better with championships. He would have had a better supporting cast much earlier. Clyde would play SF and at a long 6’7, he could play that. In 84 before Jordan was drafted, Bulls were 27 win team and Blazers 48. Blazers already made the finals by 1990 without Jordan.
The Rockets missed out acquiring the GOAT. Not just Portland. Hakeem was nice though
Poor Sam Bowie. People have always ignored that he was actually a really good talent. Excellent rookie season, even has a 20 rebound playoff game as a rookie. Even after his injury era he had enough value to be traded for missing piece Buck Williams. He was a starting center on more than 1 NJ playoff team.
We've seen so many bigger busts before and since but this poor bastard will always get shaded because of dumb GMs.
Seriously, who knows? Jordan might have gone on to have a career like Barkley did. Maybe gotten permanently injured too, in Portland. All we know for sure is what did happen.
yep, he would have certainly been an amazing player and a superstar in portland, but who knows if he would ever win a chip there, let alone 6.. the stars just perfectly aligned for MJ in chicago and that's that.. and we are blessed to have witnessed it all, haha
As a Portlander, our front office might've managed to screw it up even if they did draft Jordan. My team are the perennial champions of mismanagement, cheapness, and refusing to make championship caliber rosters! Crazy to think of Jordan being treated the same way as Lillard---Jordan would be out of here in about a millisecond!
Slow dooooown!!
Emotional damage :)))
His injury in college should've been enough to pass on him
It is NOT the biggest screw-up. Bowie didn't pan out, but mostly because of injuries.
Biggest draft screw-up: DARKO MILICIC
Take a look at that draft and tell me otherwise. Please.
They redemption it this year by selecting Scoot. He got hang time like Jordan. Im totally rooting for scoot rather than wemby.
It’s a mistake because MJ turn into the greatest player of all time. When they drafted Bowie it was understandable as the NBA was a big man game. portland just never expected Bowie to be plaque by injuries. Portland just have extremely bad luck. Bowie, Oden and Roy. All players who never fulfilled their potential but were all plaque by injuries.
*plagued
Every since James worthy passed the ball to his AirNess to shoot the winning shot against the hoyas to win the NCAA championship in 1984. I wished MJ could become a bull. I prayed for it and when Portland picked bowie. My dreams were answered.
That would have been crazy drexler and Michael Jordan on the same team??? SMH
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But what kind of chicken? Fried chicken, BBQ chicken, Orange chicken, Chicken fried chicken???
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I haven't watched this whole video yet but what has never been talked about is how Chicago picked Sidney Green at #5 over Clyde Drexler the year before. He was drafted 14th so some other teams did as well. That was a big mistake.
Fast forward, I told someone I hadn't watched Greg Oden play in college except for his last game in the tournament so I didn't know much about him but I saw Kevin Durant a lot during the year. I told them I would go with KD as that dude was putting up 30pt/20 rebound games. He got high praise from Bobby Knight too just like MJ did after he coached him in the Olympics. The Blazers should have learned from their 1984 mistake. It's not like people weren't talking about the same thing happening before those guys got drafted.
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@@LEV4ZOID it’s the truth but why so harsh? 🤨 Are you going to respond to every comment in this thread with that?
sorry dude, i just need some damn language practice
@@LEV4ZOID 😬
What’s crazy is that the Blazers messed up twice taking a big man over a more talented player
1992 NBA Finals 😬 You know Jordan wasnt losing that one
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