Beautiful to see people engaging in a friendly cooperative exchange of ideas where they are trying to build upon each others ideas for an overall better understanding. Wonderful discourse. This makes a great change from the shouting, negative, hostile conversations we see so often nowadays. Thank you for sharing this clip.
@@AllanRochez thats what its like to be men of god in seeking the truth, why be offended that someone thinks your wrong when you can learn more about something, Im not sure what scripture it is but im pretty sure theres one that talks about wise men learning from discourse.
He is ..I think too ..not only that but he is as it's written the son of man over there or he's the antichrist ..we should all and he hope he is or the gates of hell will bust wide open when he dies alternatively that's the only way he goes to heaven ..to be the antichrist I love that he approaches the scripture but not his approach to the scripture ..yet I'm ready for a one world religion and we pray for the day ..so if he has the spirit of Elijah give him his way and watch if the father's turn to the children that they would then return their hearts to the father's .this is the generation that will come who won't fall in line first
These conversations are an incredible illustration of how complex the Bible is. Many people have a cursory or face value understanding of it, which is perfectly fine, but when you take a deep dive into the scriptures, you will find the absolute beauty and an understanding of things that you were never aware of. This most important thing you can ever understand is the incredible amount of knowledge that you do not have, not just for the Bible, but for anything in the world.
I believe that a central repeated message throughout the old and new testaments rely upon human attitudes and outlook. How many times in scripture do we read, ‘Fear not. Trust in Me. Have faith in My love for you. You are My creation, My children. All will be well under Me in the end.’? Our belief, faith, hope, and reverence are shaped over the course of time throughout what we endure in our lives that are given to us by God. The end result of that manifestation is the story of our individual relationship with Him. WE determine far more of that relationship than maybe we realize. God wants us to hold fast to His message for each of us throughout every storm we encounter on the sea of life. Transforming coal into diamonds requires pressure and heat in prescribed measure.
yes. People must realize its a living God. God is not a thing. It sounds deceptively obvious, but to realize it truly is a fundamental experience change.
This is so true. People get so mad at us suffering they forget that God gave us the great gift of life. Why would you not want that. People think "why do we suffer"? "Why did God not just have us not fall from Eden"? I tell them "l don't know, but God has given me a great gift and a great guide for the gift, life and the Bible" I am not going to complain and whine to God like a spoiled child wanting everything to be perfect. If it were perfect then we would be in heaven. A person can ask why did God have us fall all they want but it doesn't change the fact we are here now and I am going to make the best of it and thank God for the wonderful gift of life he has given me.
I made a covenant with God to follow His teachings and commandments when I was baptized. I still believe that and use what I have learned about God to make decisions in my life. I believe God has kept His Covenants with me too. I feel Him inspire me, grant me patience, and encourage me to always adjust for the better.
I think the 1st covenant was so that people were supposed to keep the law, but people failed that. God nevertheless in His great love and mercy wanted to save people from the curse of law, so He sent His Son to pay our lawlessness and to rewrite the covenant which we Christians call the new covenant. Praise the Lord Jesus Christ that in Him we can be part of God's covenant once again.
make sure you obey only Jesus because theres too many false religions out there. I can guaranteed you Jesus is the way to salvation because he saved me himself when I was a buddhist and I didnt even know God was real at the time nor knew any Christians. God appears to people whom he chooses to and I was one of them and Jesus is the only way to heaven
The covenant was made between God the Father and God the Son, the two persons of the trinity, and you're the Son's bride, if you are a believer. The new covenant is not made directly between human and God.
A deff must watch! I don't usually leave that many TH-cam comments but I am in episode 5 of this series and so far this has been LIFE CHANGING. These men bring so much insight into the word of God that I believe is so easily misunderstood in common society and living in a modern society that seems more lost than ever despite all our technological advances and conveniences we have access to. This series shows what an incredible source of power God can be for your life in a way that is unfortunately not taught in schools or most churches. Such an amazing discussion and thank you to all the people involved in putting this amazing piece of work together.
Given the deep constitutional crisis here in EUrope regarding the policy related climate-disappropriations and overall disenfranchisement of the people's will for the benefit of a 'higher - not higher - ruling class' this was the deepest educating talk I heard on a Sunday morning, if ever ... Thank you so much.
I would think God would have been acquitted based on the book of Job. The prosecution's win demonstrated that stubborn & stiff-necked people don't change, even after thousands of years.
Interesting thoughts. To Mr. Peterson in addressing the final minutes of this video; it is written: "See that no one repays another with evil for evil, but always seek after that which is good for one another and for all people." -1 Thessalonians 5:15 In your friends' hearts, by doing good either knowingly or unknowingly, brings light to all.
We need to heed to the laws, God’s Laws. My marriage was hurt by my husband’s affair. They both cheated on their own marriage. They coveted another’s spouse, they then lied, they fornicated outside their own holy marriage, they dishonoured their mother and father (and the whole concept of marriage /family.) INFIDELITY is destroying so many marriages.
Perhaps your next husband will have a kink for self-righteous tongue lashings. Not everyone strays casually from their marriage, sometimes they flee with good purpose. Infidelity is rarely the first and only deadly wound in a marriage but more often it is the last nail in it's coffin.
I am sorry that happened. It is as if he murdered you. This happens to many people, and it is part of why we need to ultimate focus on God. Even above our loved ones. God bless you and I hope all goes well with you. The Lord is with you.
I really like the table set up, it’s almost a round table but the side facing the audience is cut. Seems very inviting, semi circle of equals discussing important philosophies but a inviting aspect to the listeners. Good work!
I too am amazed at how such tragic upbringings can result in people who grow up to also inflict horror onto others, but the majority I know (to include myself) do not. Speaking for myself, I know the pain, hate, evil coming from another human onto me. I knew I would never want another human being to feel that or go through similar experiences. Most certainly, I knew would not be the one to become that evil, rather, I would be wise, have understanding, to love (if at a distance,) and to help others who cross my path both abusers inflicting harm or to victims abused.
@@jsbrads1 Thank you! I understand. What I ponder on is what happens when 2 people grow up in similar abusive situation, as adults, 1 will protect and help others and 1 essentially becomes the very person who hurt them by in turn hurting others? What is the element that directed them to behave on opposite ends of the spectrum? External factors, internal factors, belief system, or combinations of the variables? I could have very well grown up to do unto others what was done unto me. Children learn from adults, mimic their parents, solve problems in the same way they’ve seen their parents solve problems and believe it’s just what you do, your parents know best kind of thinking… but I didn’t do that. Same with serial killers. 2 people had similar backgrounds, as children/teens they display behaviors that are commonly seen with adult serial killers… yet one grows up to actually become a serial killer and one doesn’t. What causes the shift in one direction rather than the other?
@@n1njatuber Free will. There may be some social forces which encourage one behavior or the other. That may explain why in the USSR, the norm was soldiers who entered the army were abused by more senior soldiers and then when they were promoted they would abuse those below them. But at the end of it all, it is still free will. It is just harder to be good if everyone else is evil. Maybe that’s why Sodom had to be destroyed, to save man, to retain for us the chance of choosing good.
The marriage can’t be the paper in the file, but the daily respect for the spirit of the togetherness. When they break their oneness at any point, the file sitting in the cabinet doesn’t mean a thing. Contract without honor and faith means nothing
Thank You for making the attempt to open Your and Our hearts. We have nobody / nothing else to look up to.....Our Lord is the only Begining and the final Destination for every person. Who could Love and Hope and Understand and Act - will be saved now and forever.... And this is a truely Good News. +A
It is almost painful to listen to highly intellectual minds trying to make God fit their understanding of how things are to be. When God created Adam He intended for His man to walk with Him and commune with Him daily. Adam was created in God's image whereas we are created in the fallen image of Adam after sin entered. At Mt Sinai God invited the people to draw near but they chose to have Moses go and come back and tell them what God had to say. God gave the law, not to make man perfect, but to show him how impossible it was for him to be righteous. The law in essence exposed man's sin and pointed the way to the Way which was to come in the form of God's only Son. The Old Testament could never make man perfect which is why atonement for sin was always required. The sacrifice of Jesus once and for all redeemed man from his sin which is why we now have a much better covenant which was sealed with the Blood of God's own Son. There are only two laws we need keep, the first is Love God the second love our neighbour. You have to do the first .......... first. Which is impossible for the unforgiven man. Far too simple for intellectuals to understand. The Gospel is foolishness to those who are perishing.
Amen [1Co 1:21 KJV] 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
@@drew2fast489 We have the Ten Commandments passed down by Moses given to him by God in Mt.Sainai. We have those laws as a moral code by God's standards to show what righteousness is like. Yet to follow all of them alone is impossible. Only through Jesus who was able to live a perfect life and not our works we can have salvation. And if you dont keep these, its a sin and you are guilty of eternal damnation.
Thank you all for sharing your thoughts. Beautiful discussion of knowledgable people in harmony. You never see this in politics. But thanks God, we all can be in the eternal new covanent which HE sealed with the blood of the lamp. The GOD of the Jews, Moslems, Christians and all men might bless us and forgive us our sins. The God of widows and orphans has mercy on the forgoten and poor people of the earth. God bless us all
I for one, so glad I worship a LIVING GOD. All other religions fall so short with their insignificant tropes devoid of logic and often riddled with violence and everlasting death. In Christ there is everlasting life !
I wouldn’t bash other religions so lackadaisically when Christianity too has its own set of problems. Like dude think about what you say before or after you say it that literally makes no sense
@joshuamak9930 who bashed any other religion? I know the truth to be Jesus and that we have all sinned I love and care about everyone and want hell for NO ONE! So, I preach Jesus so people can be saved.
Joseph, have you forgotten about the crusades. That war killed more people than any other war in the world's history. More people have been killed in the name of God than ANY other reason. Who says you're right? You? How do you know other religions gods aren't real? The 10 commandments are followed in all Abrahamic religions besides the Muslim faith. Who says there aren't multiple "heavens?" If anyone has it right it's probably the Buddhists. They sound the most correct to me. Feel free to disagree, that's fine. But here's a simple question I propose, if there is nothing God can't do, can he manifest a wall so high He cannot jump over it? The Christian ideal of God requires faith. Irs necessary for his existence depends on blind faith. If there was a way to prove God existed it would unmade God altogether. Just a little food for thought. Remember, your God says to be tolerant of others, no matter their beliefs. May God bless you on this night. Fair thee well my friend.
We wrestle not against Flesh and blood but against powers against principalities against the rulers of this world against spiritual Wickedness in high places.
Jesus is the answer. He took our place. We could never honor our end of the covenant. Like the gentleman said there’s a very simple problem “the lord keeps his promise and humans don’t”. This is why Jesus is the “I am that I am”, he stands in our place. God is not dead. Amen
Would be so much more interesting if you had ministers of the Gospel like Voddie Baucham, Mike Winger ,Jeff Durbin, Jack Hibbs or Paul Washer on the series. These are people who are living this out not just pontificating at a University.
I love when wise people discuss publicly 😊…but then I can’t help but think of that bible verse Paul states in 1 Corinthians 1:25 “ ..the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom..” (in context: I think he’s talking about the message of the cross after writing about factions or divisions in the church when some were saying “I follow Paul” or “ I follow Apollos, I follow Christ”).
I Like Stephen Blackwood's angiology of the Fire. I agree that the Conditions are ones that the Most High IS and is Being (Spiritual Laws). But We want to blame Perfect for our frailties and weaknesses... and NOT seek to incorporate these Laws into our lives. For instance if you see someone with lack of Self Control... Do you expect to have a Stable relationship with them? Or not Loyal.. are they going to be loyal with you.. esp after your first or second major disagreement?
A covenant is different from a contract. At least to the ancient Israelites. You’d think Peterson would’ve figured that out. A covenant is a sacred family bond; not just a firm agreement.
Comparing covenant theology to contract law confuses me. The covenant was made by God and kept by God. God does not need a people, but He has set apart a people for Him.
As a fellow psychology and theology enthusiast, this forum is just so amazing, I admire the fact the, Mr. Peterson is a neutral convener which is evident not because this is his show partly, but because of the carefully designed sitting arrangement and his dress code wearing two different colors dividing in half which thereby denoting, He is in charge as he is sitting in the center, but also that he is not taking a particular side.
Wonderful! This discussion mirrors the Matrix of Freedom, the statue above Plymouth Mass. set up by the Pilgrim Fathers. A roadmap back to Liberty....they discuss all the tenents represented in the statue....
*Abraham preceeded* the scriptures mentioned, *All of the scriptures* mentioned So what *was he* *Christian or a Jew?* Peace and blessings be upon him *Son of Azar* *Abe* , grew up surrounded by Man-made idols. One day, he took a club With him and *smashed up* *All of the idols, saving the Big one* In whose hands he *cleverly* placed the evidence, later *questioned* , if he had any knowledge as to how these idols had met such a tragic fate, cool Abe, simply replied *Why don't you Ask* *the Big one with the club* *in its hand about what happened?*
Abraham prayed for His father God said no, Abraham prayed for all his descendants God said my covenant does not include the defiantly disobedient Ever since then it's a test of time to see of which of Abrahams children, were those who became defiantly disobedient
I would like to see a conversation between Jordan B Peterson and Voddie Baucham concerning what is christianity and how does it play out in the context of the old testament
The important thing in the story of the exodus is the journey itself representing the rebirth of the Israelites renewal before they enter the promised land
The parties to a contract BIND THEMSELVES to the agreed upon performance! They bind themselves by their own wills. But doesn't every contract specify the penalties applicable to the failure of performance of the parties?!
Hint : About ark of the covenant in old testament Gold : god Timber: human 4 angels: heaven and authority of God Two holy part in Solomon temple for example Earthly church with human hearts, Holiest place gods presence or place
@@jsbrads1 can't because it is fluid and it's hard to write something that is matter of fact when you need to be able to interact. Trying to point pick is arrogant and not part of conversation but is demanding a point of correctness. I mean how do you even start to write when nothing is fact it's fluid 👍🤔 What is a question you have on a point? I'll chat to you 🙂
@@datwistyman I don’t recall having a question. 🤷 Just reading comments and replying. I guess a bit of an observation I made on the difference between a contract and a covenant. A contract can be, if you mow my lawn today, I’ll mow your lawn next week. A contract has a beginning and an end, it has a finite number of line items. A covenant is more like a marriage, it is open ended, thick and thin, regardless of what comes, we will stay together and face it.
Very interesting as always. Giving God a trial, I can't facepalm enough.. Anyway, every time I watch an Exodus episode, I have the feeling that Mr Prager isn't participating for the learning but only to defend himself and the jews.
Forgive me if I'm wrong... I think God saw how they were treated extra bad and wanted to help them and give them the promise land, but they had to earn it by showing faith and obedience. Like a Father would his child. A reward if you will or promise ❤
When God loves a person or a State very much, He makes them suffer. Suffer, suffer and when you see that you can not change anything or anyone else you will change yourself.
The contract should be found, voluntarily. Nothing to do with autonomy. If found, the contract is the evidence of 'level up', whatever that means in regard to ascension and/or self-help.
The law is for rebels! It makes sin manifest and reveals to us our rebellion and the spirit that is at work amongst us. It caused us to cry, what must I do to be saved?
Jesus did the ultimate sacrifice! I recommend to you: Start reading the new Testament and search for christians who can answer your questions, which you will have after reading a bit. God bless you and good faith I wish you on your way 🙏
Why isn't this free on JP TH-cam channel. I know we all need money but this stuff shouldn't require a price just like JPs first series. The requirement of money for conversations like this is why people don't have faith or believe, obviously as humans we haven't learned.
Why isn't anyone talking about the book of Job here? (I love to conversation, BTW) There is a tradition that Moses wrote the book of Job in order to get at the very questions they are raising. I would love to hear Pageau or Peterson talk about Job. As far as I know, neither of them really have.
Yes, the commandments are simpler to comprehend. It's the belief in that system that'll work. I'd tie the commandments with rearranging how law should be implemented. (Words should of turned into action.) Let's consolidate and resolve - very delicate measure because people like comfort. The questions are numerous to say but what is best for human behaviour.
John 3:16 is The Contract Between God and Man. KJV John 3:16, The Gospel of Jesus Christ says...For God so loved the world, that he Gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever "BELIEVETH in HIM" should not perish, but have everlasting life. Luther called John 3:16 “the heart of the Bible and Miniature Gospel, so simple a child can understand.” Here I simplify the Gospel so a child or even an atheist can Believe It and be Saved. “We are SAVED by GOD, by BELIEVING HE Sacrificed HIS Son to SAVE us.” WE KNOW WE ARE SAVED Because we have GOD’s WORD, in a LEGAL BINDING Oral (Spoken by Jesus) and Written (by St. John) CONTRACT and Covenant with GOD in THE GOSPEL of JESUS CHRIST John 3:16! Our Gospel Contract with God is also a Last Will and Testament, Executed and put into effect by the Execution and Death of Jesus that allows us to inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. When we Believe The Gospel we are Born Again, and have a Contract for Adoption to be God’s Children. We Are SAVED By GOD, by BELIEVING in HIS WORD, and "ACCEPTING HIS OFFER," of His Son JESUS as Our SAVIOR. The Execution and Death of His Son Jesus in exchange for our Eternal Life, is the “Consideration” and TIE that BINDS and Executes the Contract and makes it Legal. Jesus told us exactly how to be Born Again and Saved when He spoke the words directly to Nicodemus in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, John 3:16. John 3:16 is a simple Legal Offer, Consideration and Acceptance Contract, but is the Greatest and Most legal Contract ever Spoken and Written! The Gospel may be easier to understand if stated in the first person of God…or… For I GOD, so Loved the World that I Gave My only Son (Jesus Christ), to be (OFFERED) as a substitute sacrifice to Die for our sins (CONSIDERATION), so that whoever Believes in and (ACCEPTS) Him (as Savior) shall not perish, but have eternal life. (Be Saved) God is the Giver and His Son Jesus is the Gift. We are not saved by the Gift, we are saved by the GIVER!
God cannot break his covenant. He told them exactly what would happen if they broke the covenant in the book of Deuteronomy if he didn't bring the Holocaust God would have been proved a liar. What it shows is that God still kept the covenant even after the events of the Holocaust because he loves the Jewish people he will punish them to the proper degree but he will always brings them back into his house.
It's easy in orthodox Christianity. God does all he wants with you. So it is Him who finds all justification for that. Your only struggle is to let God do those things with you. But you first and foremost shall know God before it all happens.
The contracts I’ve had to sign that didn’t get upheld get off on fine print while punishing the signee, hard to trust. In my experience they’re used as an acceptable excuse to punish the one they want to control while not having reciprocation.
I think if you understand Deuteronomy correctly, it's higher meaning hints at soul contracts made before we enter this life. The basis for this is: Deuteronomy 9:5 Not for thy righteousness, or for the uprightness of thine heart, dost thou go to possess their land: but for the wickedness of these nations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee, and that he may perform the word which the Lord sware unto thy fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. What contract did the Canaanites make with God? Deuteronomy goes on to explain the blessings and the curses that the children of Israel are bound to. And that they will forget the contract!
I think the one thing that is missing from this conversation is the promise to Abraham that happened 400 years before the law was given. It was not contractual. It was one sided. The promise is all on God and man has no part.
Beautiful to see people engaging in a friendly cooperative exchange of ideas where they are trying to build upon each others ideas for an overall better understanding. Wonderful discourse. This makes a great change from the shouting, negative, hostile conversations we see so often nowadays. Thank you for sharing this clip.
Agreed it is beautiful that we can still be cordial while still exploring and challenging ideas
Praise be to God amen and amen
@@AllanRochez thats what its like to be men of god in seeking the truth, why be offended that someone thinks your wrong when you can learn more about something, Im not sure what scripture it is but im pretty sure theres one that talks about wise men learning from discourse.
Jordan Peterson will never be understood by some people. But deep down I feel he is a good man.
He was a good man. Now he’s a product.
He is ..I think too ..not only that but he is as it's written the son of man over there or he's the antichrist ..we should all and he hope he is or the gates of hell will bust wide open when he dies alternatively that's the only way he goes to heaven ..to be the antichrist
I love that he approaches the scripture but not his approach to the scripture ..yet I'm ready for a one world religion and we pray for the day ..so if he has the spirit of Elijah give him his way and watch if the father's turn to the children that they would then return their hearts to the father's .this is the generation that will come who won't fall in line first
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These conversations are an incredible illustration of how complex the Bible is. Many people have a cursory or face value understanding of it, which is perfectly fine, but when you take a deep dive into the scriptures, you will find the absolute beauty and an understanding of things that you were never aware of. This most important thing you can ever understand is the incredible amount of knowledge that you do not have, not just for the Bible, but for anything in the world.
I believe that a central repeated message throughout the old and new testaments rely upon human attitudes and outlook. How many times in scripture do we read, ‘Fear not. Trust in Me. Have faith in My love for you. You are My creation, My children. All will be well under Me in the end.’? Our belief, faith, hope, and reverence are shaped over the course of time throughout what we endure in our lives that are given to us by God. The end result of that manifestation is the story of our individual relationship with Him. WE determine far more of that relationship than maybe we realize. God wants us to hold fast to His message for each of us throughout every storm we encounter on the sea of life. Transforming coal into diamonds requires pressure and heat in prescribed measure.
Now and everything was completely different in the 90s and all this new Information gone mass it's always different
yes.
People must realize its a living God.
God is not a thing.
It sounds deceptively obvious, but to realize it truly is a fundamental experience change.
This is so true. People get so mad at us suffering they forget that God gave us the great gift of life. Why would you not want that. People think "why do we suffer"? "Why did God not just have us not fall from Eden"? I tell them "l don't know, but God has given me a great gift and a great guide for the gift, life and the Bible" I am not going to complain and whine to God like a spoiled child wanting everything to be perfect. If it were perfect then we would be in heaven. A person can ask why did God have us fall all they want but it doesn't change the fact we are here now and I am going to make the best of it and thank God for the wonderful gift of life he has given me.
Believers believe only because they are afraid to fall into the boiling cauldron of a ''good'' god
1:13 "...this is the origin of the consent of the governed."
This is...mind blowing.
These conversations are worth fighting for.
I love Mr. Jordan. I learn so much from him. God continue to bless him.
I made a covenant with God to follow His teachings and commandments when I was baptized. I still believe that and use what I have learned about God to make decisions in my life. I believe God has kept His Covenants with me too. I feel Him inspire me, grant me patience, and encourage me to always adjust for the better.
I think the 1st covenant was so that people were supposed to keep the law, but people failed that. God nevertheless in His great love and mercy wanted to save people from the curse of law, so He sent His Son to pay our lawlessness and to rewrite the covenant which we Christians call the new covenant. Praise the Lord Jesus Christ that in Him we can be part of God's covenant once again.
Its not with you it was your soul with god. When he pulled you out of Adams spine and got the covenent of worshiping him alone.
make sure you obey only Jesus because theres too many false religions out there. I can guaranteed you Jesus is the way to salvation because he saved me himself when I was a buddhist and I didnt even know God was real at the time nor knew any Christians. God appears to people whom he chooses to and I was one of them and Jesus is the only way to heaven
@@JesusSavesTheLostBrokenConfuse you are a maniac
The covenant was made between God the Father and God the Son, the two persons of the trinity, and you're the Son's bride, if you are a believer. The new covenant is not made directly between human and God.
What Jordan said at the end took my breath away ❤😢
Love these Spectre meetings, keep em coming!
lmao
A deff must watch! I don't usually leave that many TH-cam comments but I am in episode 5 of this series and so far this has been LIFE CHANGING. These men bring so much insight into the word of God that I believe is so easily misunderstood in common society and living in a modern society that seems more lost than ever despite all our technological advances and conveniences we have access to. This series shows what an incredible source of power God can be for your life in a way that is unfortunately not taught in schools or most churches. Such an amazing discussion and thank you to all the people involved in putting this amazing piece of work together.
Where do you watch the entire series?
Daily Wire
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Given the deep constitutional crisis here in EUrope regarding the policy related climate-disappropriations and overall disenfranchisement of the people's will for the benefit of a 'higher - not higher - ruling class' this was the deepest educating talk I heard on a Sunday morning, if ever ...
Thank you so much.
I love this series so much. Once I have financial stability, I will subscribe to DW+ so I can view all of it. As a glutton shall I consume thy works.
A channel called Jordan b Peterson 2023 has all of them
"I, the Lord, am bound when ye do what I say; but when ye do not what I say, ye have no promise."
Jordan Peterson is a freaking Genius
Peterson is a right wing demagogue furiously looking to confirm all his biases. You are just a sucker for big vocabularies.
God is THE GENIUS he wrote it all
@@CranyumHipHop Richard Dawkins is a genius and says your beliefs about god are delusional.
@@JohnWilliams-channel Richard Dawkins was made from dust and will return to dust.
@@JohnWilliams-channel doesn’t sound like a genius to me
Jestem wdzięczna Dr.Stephanowi Howkinsowi za jego prace nad tym zagadnieniem.
Być przy tym bardzo skromnym.
That anecdote by Dennis Prager is very telling.
And a previous clip also... He doesn't believe in evil spirits or the devil, but they can judge God.
I would think God would have been acquitted based on the book of Job. The prosecution's win demonstrated that stubborn & stiff-necked people don't change, even after thousands of years.
The Jews have always despised God.
Exodus 32:9 KJVS
And the Lord said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people:
I love these discussions!
i love that you men let us listen to your riundtable for free ❤ TY
Interesting thoughts. To Mr. Peterson in addressing the final minutes of this video; it is written: "See that no one repays another with evil for evil, but always seek after that which is good for one another and for all people." -1 Thessalonians 5:15
In your friends' hearts, by doing good either knowingly or unknowingly, brings light to all.
What a lovely conversation.
We need to heed to the laws, God’s Laws. My marriage was hurt by my husband’s affair. They both cheated on their own marriage. They coveted another’s spouse, they then lied, they fornicated outside their own holy marriage, they dishonoured their mother and father (and the whole concept of marriage /family.) INFIDELITY is destroying so many marriages.
Perhaps your next husband will have a kink for self-righteous tongue lashings. Not everyone strays casually from their marriage, sometimes they flee with good purpose. Infidelity is rarely the first and only deadly wound in a marriage but more often it is the last nail in it's coffin.
Let's gulliotine the adulterers . Also what's the purpose of marriage when u guys legalised divorce.
I am sorry that happened. It is as if he murdered you. This happens to many people, and it is part of why we need to ultimate focus on God. Even above our loved ones. God bless you and I hope all goes well with you. The Lord is with you.
@@vasdgod I'm guilty. Godspeed.
So sorry that you are having to go through this incredibly difficult ordeal. I will pray for you.
I love what he is doing with his suit. I hope he keeps it up.
I really like the table set up, it’s almost a round table but the side facing the audience is cut. Seems very inviting, semi circle of equals discussing important philosophies but a inviting aspect to the listeners. Good work!
what a beautiful table!
Fascinating conversation
I've rewatch this 10 times and I keep finding nuggets of wisdom. So much to unpack.😮
please enlighten me.. what is a wisdom you got from this?
That suite is symbolic of the mindset on the platform.
So glad these started back up. Perfect timing team.
Love this series
That table tho 🔥
what i was thinking XD fcking hell thats art bro.
Streams of fresh sweet water
9:25 jordan petersons best duck impression
Thank you gentlemen!!!!!🙃👍🙏
I too am amazed at how such tragic upbringings can result in people who grow up to also inflict horror onto others, but the majority I know (to include myself) do not. Speaking for myself, I know the pain, hate, evil coming from another human onto me. I knew I would never want another human being to feel that or go through similar experiences. Most certainly, I knew would not be the one to become that evil, rather, I would be wise, have understanding, to love (if at a distance,) and to help others who cross my path both abusers inflicting harm or to victims abused.
I believe Jordan said the vast majority of people who grow up suffering, spend the rest of their lives trying to protect others from suffering.
@@jsbrads1 Thank you! I understand. What I ponder on is what happens when 2 people grow up in similar abusive situation, as adults, 1 will protect and help others and 1 essentially becomes the very person who hurt them by in turn hurting others? What is the element that directed them to behave on opposite ends of the spectrum? External factors, internal factors, belief system, or combinations of the variables? I could have very well grown up to do unto others what was done unto me. Children learn from adults, mimic their parents, solve problems in the same way they’ve seen their parents solve problems and believe it’s just what you do, your parents know best kind of thinking… but I didn’t do that. Same with serial killers. 2 people had similar backgrounds, as children/teens they display behaviors that are commonly seen with adult serial killers… yet one grows up to actually become a serial killer and one doesn’t. What causes the shift in one direction rather than the other?
@@n1njatuber Free will.
There may be some social forces which encourage one behavior or the other.
That may explain why in the USSR, the norm was soldiers who entered the army were abused by more senior soldiers and then when they were promoted they would abuse those below them.
But at the end of it all, it is still free will. It is just harder to be good if everyone else is evil.
Maybe that’s why Sodom had to be destroyed, to save man, to retain for us the chance of choosing good.
The marriage can’t be the paper in the file, but the daily respect for the spirit of the togetherness. When they break their oneness at any point, the file sitting in the cabinet doesn’t mean a thing.
Contract without honor and faith means nothing
Thank You for making the attempt to open Your and Our hearts. We have nobody / nothing else to look up to.....Our Lord is the only Begining and the final Destination for every person. Who could Love and Hope and Understand and Act - will be saved now and forever.... And this is a truely Good News.
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It is almost painful to listen to highly intellectual minds trying to make God fit their understanding of how things are to be. When God created Adam He intended for His man to walk with Him and commune with Him daily. Adam was created in God's image whereas we are created in the fallen image of Adam after sin entered. At Mt Sinai God invited the people to draw near but they chose to have Moses go and come back and tell them what God had to say. God gave the law, not to make man perfect, but to show him how impossible it was for him to be righteous. The law in essence exposed man's sin and pointed the way to the Way which was to come in the form of God's only Son. The Old Testament could never make man perfect which is why atonement for sin was always required. The sacrifice of Jesus once and for all redeemed man from his sin which is why we now have a much better covenant which was sealed with the Blood of God's own Son. There are only two laws we need keep, the first is Love God the second love our neighbour. You have to do the first .......... first. Which is impossible for the unforgiven man. Far too simple for intellectuals to understand. The Gospel is foolishness to those who are perishing.
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[1Co 1:21 KJV] 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
Amen!
Amen, one cannot fully comprehend what Jesus did on that cross without the Holy Spirit in them ❤ 🕊️
I agree with most of this, I'm just wondering why you're thinking we have 2 laws we must live by. What'll happen if I don't keep these laws?
@@drew2fast489 We have the Ten Commandments passed down by Moses given to him by God in Mt.Sainai. We have those laws as a moral code by God's standards to show what righteousness is like. Yet to follow all of them alone is impossible. Only through Jesus who was able to live a perfect life and not our works we can have salvation. And if you dont keep these, its a sin and you are guilty of eternal damnation.
Thank you all for sharing your thoughts. Beautiful discussion of knowledgable people in harmony. You never see this in politics. But thanks God, we all can be in the eternal new covanent which HE sealed with the blood of the lamp. The GOD of the Jews, Moslems, Christians and all men might bless us and forgive us our sins. The God of widows and orphans has mercy on the forgoten and poor people of the earth. God bless us all
Yeah the forgotten children born into slavery, raped, beaten, starved to death, bless those little ones who don't get to enjoy God's freedom
Yes! Covenant is with God!
Hello 👋🏻 Beautiful Lady 🌹.. How are you doing today and your weather condition like?
I for one, so glad I worship a LIVING GOD. All other religions fall so short with their insignificant tropes devoid of logic and often riddled with violence and everlasting death. In Christ there is everlasting life !
Amen! Praise the one true God, Jesus Christ!
I wouldn’t bash other religions so lackadaisically when Christianity too has its own set of problems. Like dude think about what you say before or after you say it that literally makes no sense
@joshuamak9930 who bashed any other religion? I know the truth to be Jesus and that we have all sinned I love and care about everyone and want hell for NO ONE! So, I preach Jesus so people can be saved.
@@joshuamak9930 it’s not “bashing other religions”. Just take the word “ religion out. Christianity is all about believing in Jesus and following Him.
Joseph, have you forgotten about the crusades. That war killed more people than any other war in the world's history. More people have been killed in the name of God than ANY other reason. Who says you're right? You? How do you know other religions gods aren't real? The 10 commandments are followed in all Abrahamic religions besides the Muslim faith. Who says there aren't multiple "heavens?" If anyone has it right it's probably the Buddhists. They sound the most correct to me. Feel free to disagree, that's fine. But here's a simple question I propose, if there is nothing God can't do, can he manifest a wall so high He cannot jump over it? The Christian ideal of God requires faith. Irs necessary for his existence depends on blind faith. If there was a way to prove God existed it would unmade God altogether. Just a little food for thought. Remember, your God says to be tolerant of others, no matter their beliefs. May God bless you on this night. Fair thee well my friend.
Its not letting evil make you evil because then you are everything which you despise
This is truly great scholarship.
Love Jordan Peterson's blue and red jacket.😊
We wrestle not against Flesh and blood but against powers against principalities against the rulers of this world against spiritual Wickedness in high places.
Jesus is the answer. He took our place. We could never honor our end of the covenant. Like the gentleman said there’s a very simple problem “the lord keeps his promise and humans don’t”. This is why Jesus is the “I am that I am”, he stands in our place. God is not dead. Amen
Would be so much more interesting if you had ministers of the Gospel like Voddie Baucham, Mike Winger ,Jeff Durbin, Jack Hibbs or Paul Washer on the series. These are people who are living this out not just pontificating at a University.
Voddie is a legend !
Hibbs, et al, learn from philosiphers and such. We are familiar with Greek Latin Aramaic...these men go further....
Exodus is about the new beginning with God and FREEDOM.
I love when wise people discuss publicly 😊…but then I can’t help but think of that bible verse Paul states in 1 Corinthians 1:25 “ ..the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom..” (in context: I think he’s talking about the message of the cross after writing about factions or divisions in the church when some were saying “I follow Paul” or “ I follow Apollos, I follow Christ”).
Intellectual & spirit should go hand to hand. Great discussion.
other way around--a people needs a God
I need a God that has a little mercy on me when I die, not exactly burn for ever material here ya know:/
I Like Stephen Blackwood's angiology of the Fire. I agree that the Conditions are ones that the Most High IS and is Being (Spiritual Laws). But We want to blame Perfect for our frailties and weaknesses... and NOT seek to incorporate these Laws into our lives. For instance if you see someone with lack of Self Control... Do you expect to have a Stable relationship with them? Or not Loyal.. are they going to be loyal with you.. esp after your first or second major disagreement?
Epic exchange, never heard anything like this. Too many profound truthes to take in single viewing.
So many dots to connect.
Nice duality jacket Jordan
A covenant is different from a contract. At least to the ancient Israelites. You’d think Peterson would’ve figured that out. A covenant is a sacred family bond; not just a firm agreement.
Comparing covenant theology to contract law confuses me. The covenant was made by God and kept by God.
God does not need a people, but He has set apart a people for Him.
If a Lawyer was involved in that Contract, then it’s worthless.
jew a lawyer ? 😆
Yes, I would have cited Job for their "conclusion" that God broke the contract 😂
As a fellow psychology and theology enthusiast, this forum is just so amazing, I admire the fact the, Mr. Peterson is a neutral convener which is evident not because this is his show partly, but because of the carefully designed sitting arrangement and his dress code wearing two different colors dividing in half which thereby denoting, He is in charge as he is sitting in the center, but also that he is not taking a particular side.
Jordan Peterson is poignant with his words and he's reorganizing what they're saying in an excellent way. Yeah boi👌
“God seems to need” No sir! God needs absolutely nothing and no one. God is perfectly Holy and content in Himself
Everyone had something valuable to say
Very interesting series.
No more full length videos? They were helpful, the long format, but do whatever is right for the channel.
Wonderful! This discussion mirrors the Matrix of Freedom, the statue above Plymouth Mass. set up by the Pilgrim Fathers. A roadmap back to Liberty....they discuss all the tenents represented in the statue....
*Conditional*
Covenant
*As long as*
*They fulfill*
Their obligations
Their commitments
*We shall*
*"Make GOOD"*
On *OUR*
*PART*
'Allow me to observe evidence of something with my own eyes before I put my trust in it.' Sounds like atheism to me.
*NEGATIVE TO POSITIVE*
*Darkness to Light*
There is n o God except Allah
Atheism t o I S L A M
*Book Messenger*
Zabur / psalms Daud / David
Torat / Torah Musa / Moses
Injeel / Gospel ISA / Jeshua / Jesus
Qur'an / Recital Muhammad
*Abraham preceeded* the scriptures mentioned,
*All of the scriptures* mentioned
So what *was he*
*Christian or a Jew?*
Peace and blessings be upon him
*Son of Azar*
*Abe* , grew up surrounded by
Man-made idols.
One day, he took a club
With him and *smashed up*
*All of the idols, saving the Big one*
In whose hands he *cleverly* placed the evidence, later *questioned* , if he had any knowledge as to how these idols had met such a tragic fate, cool Abe, simply replied
*Why don't you Ask*
*the Big one with the club*
*in its hand about what happened?*
Abraham prayed for His father
God said no,
Abraham prayed for all his descendants
God said my covenant does not include the defiantly disobedient
Ever since then it's a test of time to see of which of Abrahams children, were those who became defiantly disobedient
Contracts are different than Covenants
I would like to see a conversation between Jordan B Peterson and Voddie Baucham concerning what is christianity and how does it play out in the context of the old testament
The important thing in the story of the exodus is the journey itself representing the rebirth of the Israelites renewal before they enter the promised land
I wish this was free on TH-cam.
The parties to a contract BIND THEMSELVES to the agreed upon performance! They bind themselves by their own wills. But doesn't every contract specify the penalties applicable to the failure of performance of the parties?!
For us it's hell, for God - well He won't break it?
@@Sokofeather
Hint : About ark of the covenant in old testament
Gold : god
Timber: human
4 angels: heaven and authority of God
Two holy part in Solomon temple for example
Earthly church with human hearts,
Holiest place gods presence or place
I would of loved to of been there to share my views, because these guys are all amazing and I would enjoy being there to chat.
Comment here. I would like to hear what you think too.
@@jsbrads1 can't because it is fluid and it's hard to write something that is matter of fact when you need to be able to interact. Trying to point pick is arrogant and not part of conversation but is demanding a point of correctness.
I mean how do you even start to write when nothing is fact it's fluid 👍🤔
What is a question you have on a point?
I'll chat to you 🙂
@@datwistyman I don’t recall having a question. 🤷 Just reading comments and replying.
I guess a bit of an observation I made on the difference between a contract and a covenant.
A contract can be, if you mow my lawn today, I’ll mow your lawn next week. A contract has a beginning and an end, it has a finite number of line items.
A covenant is more like a marriage, it is open ended, thick and thin, regardless of what comes, we will stay together and face it.
This is good😮
Very interesting as always. Giving God a trial, I can't facepalm enough.. Anyway, every time I watch an Exodus episode, I have the feeling that Mr Prager isn't participating for the learning but only to defend himself and the jews.
amen jesus walks
amen ra, osiris has risen again, praise sol, ooga booga namaste.
@Infinite Shoeblack Stolen? Don't you mean inherited? Stealing implies the Christians took Amen away from them.
@@joelhortz4523 may ra shine upon you, sol invictus, valhallah awaits
Forgive me if I'm wrong... I think God saw how they were treated extra bad and wanted to help them and give them the promise land, but they had to earn it by showing faith and obedience. Like a Father would his child. A reward if you will or promise ❤
Jordan's suit deserves attention. He always dresses sharp but this one is a bit more exotic than I would have expected. Looking good!
A fan made it for him, there is a clip of him showing it off.
The contract with God and peoples was first fleshed out in the Magna Carta - not the American revolution my american friend. Loved the show.
What Jordan said about the contract was beautiful!
When God loves a person or a State very much, He makes them suffer. Suffer, suffer and when you see that you can not change anything or anyone else you will change yourself.
The contract should be found, voluntarily. Nothing to do with autonomy. If found, the contract is the evidence of 'level up', whatever that means in regard to ascension and/or self-help.
You should bring Pastor Charles Lawson to that table.
The law is for rebels!
It makes sin manifest and reveals to us our rebellion and the spirit that is at work amongst us. It caused us to cry, what must I do to be saved?
Jesus did the ultimate sacrifice! I recommend to you: Start reading the new Testament and search for christians who can answer your questions, which you will have after reading a bit.
God bless you and good faith I wish you on your way 🙏
We have his hands and his voice to follow. Life is a privilege test.
Dennis is my favorite one at this table, how about you?
Why isn't this free on JP TH-cam channel. I know we all need money but this stuff shouldn't require a price just like JPs first series. The requirement of money for conversations like this is why people don't have faith or believe, obviously as humans we haven't learned.
I heard the entire series will be uploaded to TH-cam at some point, perhaps for a short time or permanently.
Why isn't anyone talking about the book of Job here? (I love to conversation, BTW) There is a tradition that Moses wrote the book of Job in order to get at the very questions they are raising. I would love to hear Pageau or Peterson talk about Job. As far as I know, neither of them really have.
Yes, the commandments are simpler to comprehend. It's the belief in that system that'll work. I'd tie the commandments with rearranging how law should be implemented. (Words should of turned into action.) Let's consolidate and resolve - very delicate measure because people like comfort. The questions are numerous to say but what is best for human behaviour.
Hmm…a second commandment violation right on the main thumbnail. Pretty good indicator of how much respect Jordan actually has for the word of God.
John 3:16 is The Contract Between God and Man.
KJV John 3:16, The Gospel of Jesus Christ says...For God so loved the world, that he Gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever "BELIEVETH in HIM" should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Luther called John 3:16 “the heart of the Bible and Miniature Gospel, so simple a child can understand.”
Here I simplify the Gospel so a child or even an atheist can Believe It and be Saved.
“We are SAVED by GOD, by BELIEVING HE Sacrificed HIS Son to SAVE us.”
WE KNOW WE ARE SAVED Because we have GOD’s WORD, in a LEGAL BINDING Oral (Spoken by Jesus) and Written (by St. John) CONTRACT and Covenant with GOD in THE GOSPEL of JESUS CHRIST John 3:16!
Our Gospel Contract with God is also a Last Will and Testament, Executed and put into effect by the Execution and Death of Jesus that allows us to inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.
When we Believe The Gospel we are Born Again, and have a Contract for Adoption to be God’s Children.
We Are SAVED By GOD, by BELIEVING in HIS WORD, and "ACCEPTING HIS OFFER," of His Son JESUS as Our SAVIOR.
The Execution and Death of His Son Jesus in exchange for our Eternal Life, is the “Consideration” and TIE that BINDS and Executes the Contract and makes it Legal.
Jesus told us exactly how to be Born Again and Saved when He spoke the words directly to Nicodemus in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, John 3:16.
John 3:16 is a simple Legal Offer, Consideration and Acceptance Contract, but is the Greatest and Most legal Contract ever Spoken and Written!
The Gospel may be easier to understand if stated in the first person of God…or…
For I GOD, so Loved the World that I Gave My only Son (Jesus Christ), to be (OFFERED) as a substitute sacrifice to Die for our sins (CONSIDERATION), so that whoever Believes in and (ACCEPTS) Him (as Savior) shall not perish, but have eternal life. (Be Saved)
God is the Giver and His Son Jesus is the Gift. We are not saved by the Gift, we are saved by the GIVER!
This is Good stuff! 👍
God cannot break his covenant. He told them exactly what would happen if they broke the covenant in the book of Deuteronomy if he didn't bring the Holocaust God would have been proved a liar. What it shows is that God still kept the covenant even after the events of the Holocaust because he loves the Jewish people he will punish them to the proper degree but he will always brings them back into his house.
It's easy in orthodox Christianity. God does all he wants with you. So it is Him who finds all justification for that. Your only struggle is to let God do those things with you. But you first and foremost shall know God before it all happens.
Iove this suit
The contracts I’ve had to sign that didn’t get upheld get off on fine print while punishing the signee, hard to trust. In my experience they’re used as an acceptable excuse to punish the one they want to control while not having reciprocation.
Irrevocable Covenant is what I Enjoy with The Father!!
Fruit of the vine built much. Take care of your neighbors. God bless
That is a pimpin jacket Jordan!
I think if you understand Deuteronomy correctly, it's higher meaning hints at soul contracts made before we enter this life.
The basis for this is:
Deuteronomy 9:5 Not for thy righteousness, or for the uprightness of thine heart, dost thou go to possess their land: but for the wickedness of these nations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee, and that he may perform the word which the Lord sware unto thy fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
What contract did the Canaanites make with God?
Deuteronomy goes on to explain the blessings and the curses that the children of Israel are bound to.
And that they will forget the contract!
Wow this is great
I think the one thing that is missing from this conversation is the promise to Abraham that happened 400 years before the law was given. It was not contractual. It was one sided. The promise is all on God and man has no part.