@@NovahPSC weird, I thought _birds_ figured melody out _long before_ we ever did. And judging by how tone deaf most of us are, it doesn't seem like he did a terribly good job at it either.
@@I-am-Hrutblaming God for the misused free will of humans, is akin to blaming your father when you crash your car while DUI. Pretending you're bad at Math is the teacher's fault, when in fact you didn't even listen nor practiced is your argument. Talk about tone deaf, dishonest and lazy.
@kittentacticalwarfare1140 "Free Will" only enters Christianity in the 4th Century, so it's not only irrelevant to authentic Christianity, but it's actually explicitly condemned by Paul in Romans 6. (but, setting aside all of the issues with "free will") if any common Christian definition of "god" was as limited as a typical human father was, then sure, I guess it would seem rather silly to place all the blame for your DUI on him. But, alas, the Judeo-Christian god is the creator of ALL THINGS, both good and bad (Isaiah 45:7). If we were to make your disanalogy more analogous to the real world, then if you're allowed to blame anyone for anything (technically this is a very inauthentic "Christian" behavior, btw. You guys should stop doing this, it's not Christlike at all. The earliest Christians (including the authors of the NT) were all fatalists)-especially Paul) than at the very least you should be able to blame your parents for genetically predisposing you to alcoholism and reckless behaviors, the bartender for violating his responsibility to enforce Dram laws (not overserving patrons and not preventing the inebriated from reckless behaviors like drunk driving)-which is why they're held legally liable too; and not just that, you should also be able to blame every other circumstance tha effects any situation too, no matter how small or insignificant that influence seems. That's the whole point of chaos theory-even seemingly minute difference in starting conditions can _drastically_ alter the deterministic evolution of any sufficiently complex, chaotic system.
The smartest thing that Dr. Peterson ever did in making this series is have Bishop Barron. He inspires discussion so well and has such a deep understanding of the Biblical texts that brings amazing depth to it as well.
@@daradevlin4093making idols out of all the pomp and ceremony, salvation by works, just two for ya, but with that said, some Catholics DO believe Jesus Christ is Lord and by him is the only way to God and salvation-Romans 10:9. However, a large sect of Catholics don’t believe that and pray to saints and Mary and not Jesus Christ. It’s quite clear, but no, not all Catholics are saved.
@@faithfulservantofchrist9876: If “the Word is God,” then why bother with making the statement that “the Word became flesh”? Why not simply say, “God became flesh”? The fact that the author of John begins by making a statement about “the Word” being both “with God” and “God” proves that your perspective is way too simplistic. Your statement is one-dimensional. John’s is multi-dimensional.
@MrNpc81 You mean our puny, finite, and weak minds can't grasp an infinite, omnipowerful, omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient being? Would you expect the alternative?
I need this in my life. I can’t afford the DW+ subscription. The last time you gathered these minds to explore I did not miss a word. Yes now is a beautiful time to be alive.
I always took the Word meaning the Bible… 😅 I never worried about whether that meant the literal speaking. I just thought “It is written.” That is the Word and the Word has power. “That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of life-” I John 1:1 NKJV
Jesus is the Word. John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
I was going to make the same comment! I think one of the points of this Scripture is to declare Jesus's eternal existence. Yes, Jesus was born through a human birth, and existed as you have seen Him on this earth. But He Existed before that, even at The Beginning. This points to Jesus's Divinity. Just as does Jesus Showing up on the earth before his human birth, showing up as The Angel of The Lord repeatedly. This shows His eternal existence, before He was born of a virgin.
@@JesusFreak4EverWe existed with Jesus in the beginning as well as intelligences, as spiritual beings. Everyone that came to earth chose to come here of their own free will and moral agency.
Bishop Barron made a powerfully True and succinct statement about the inherent Creative Word from within God Himself. He is the Spoken Force in all creation. No spin, just facts. I value Bishop Robert Barron's studied insights on much of Scripture. Plus his homilies can be very heartwarming. Thank you Jordan for including Bishop Barron on your panel. High Quality voice.😊
@virginiacharlotte7007 Virginia each person is a unique receiver for messaging. My nephew loves J.P. and I see his different perspectives. I'm different too. J.P. has millions of followers. But I have always loved Bishop Robert Barron because he stays very close to the cardinal verities.
@@virginiacharlotte7007 it's interesting you would sit through him talking, if he's so bad at it. What good does it do such an honest Christian as yourself, to callously critique a person's shortcomings, as if you enjoyed it? 😉
I just love how different denominations are coming together and not fighting. I been waiting for this for 37 years. Jesus is bringing us together Christ is King!
Do you mean like a One World religion? Jesus came that we might have life, but unity says that Catholics, Mormons, LDS, SDA, Hindus, Muslims, etc, all believe the same thing. Jordan Paterson is a Catholic, as are the others, and they are all deceived.
@@annieBBL24 Yes, he came to bring the new covenant to the Jews and convert them to Christian’s which divided people and families. My question to you is: What is wrong with different denominations coming together just to talk about jesus and does it bug you if other religions come together just to “talk” about Jesus?
*When I was 8 years old I asked my grandmother where did.God come from? She said...”our minds do not go back that far” Still true today, decades later.*
Interesting but God is not a being like we or anything we know IS, he is outside of time and never “came into being” like everything in this universe did. I agree our minds cannot fathom this but it is important to acknowledge that God is not just another thing in the universe, in contrast, he UPHOLDS everything into being - please reference the thomistic insitute on this matter - they do an amazing job
It's good that reasonable men gather together to discuss Jesus Christ. I pray they come to know Him and develop a personal relationship with Him. Jesus is much more than the single most influential person that has ever been. He is GOD.
Now this is wonderful to see. Intelligent, mature men all gathered together to openly and honestly dissect one of the oldest and most polarizing pieces of literature in human history. We need more of this in society. Thank you for this series.
Maybe we need more of this in your society, but not remotely every society needs to dissect a book where people were grasping at straws thousands of years ago. It illuminates the ignorance of mankind, not much more. The Universe is ultimately chaos, and we distill a small part of it to find enough of a pattern to avoid enough things. That's mankind's situation. Brains give the chaos meaning, but the meaning isn't there without the brain, understanding of space and time even as separate things isn't there without the brain. What makes how we change over time "time?" What makes our one eye a 'similar thing' to our other, or even part of the same thing, without a brain? One eye can in fact be the enemy of the other, the brain enemies of them both, the liver enemy to the blood and vice-versa... it's all chaos, and we don't survive it, we just find enough patterns to keep our "kind" going, a very top-level construction of "society" above a terrifying truth.
John 1:14 "And The Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth."
@@evangelistandreas9105 What about idle words? 😅 God is the meaning that idle words lack. You see this in the resurrection. Meaning transcends the flesh.
Christ is not God, but was made Lord by the Almighty Father who sent Him. Nowhere in Scripture does Christ ever proclaim to be God. "MY God, MY God, why have you forsaken Me?" Not "myself, myself, why have I forsaken myself?"
@@MRios1128 You are truly lost just like the useless words used in this video clip. With out Jesus there is no salvation. Bənē hāʾĔlōhīm God in the flesh. Amen and pray you see the truth.
@@MRios1128 You might wish to re-read the Book of John: "All things were made through Him (Christ), and without Him nothing was made that was made." - John 1:3 .. "Nothing that was made was made without Him." It's not ambiguous.
I am so looking forward to this! I have started looking into Christianity and Judaism and I am honestly surprised by how deep and logical things end up being. I shouldn't be surprised, but I went to public schools where they ban talking about this. Which is a real shame, totally ruins the connection and ability to understand the way humans thought for the last two thousand years and isolates us as individuals.
Wow. Banned? Dude, without singing hymns during our morning assemblies, I don’t see how I could have made it through my childhood. That shit was healing my soul. Always makes me sad when I see that other people didn’t have that.
I feel that Dr Petersons Wife Tammy’s faith and his near death experience have brought him closer to God and Christ. And He has admitted as much. God bless you Dr Peterson !
I've now come to realise that Mr. Peterson gradually brought back God in my life where I have had fully abandoned him and also parts of myself. It's so relieving to have my pieces put together. Love each other, dear fellows, it's not much time here on earth.
@DanielleRosaria So what you are doing when that is happening is some kind of semantic archeology. By learning how a different set of cultures grouped concepts together in some foreign way to us, we can restore a kind of facsimile of an ancient frame of mind. The wisdom of the ancients is encoded by and also inbedded within language.
To John’s point (5:40), it was some years back, in my 20s, that I had the realization, the revelation if you will, that relationships are the fundamental metric of the universe/existence. I found it to be very profound at the time, and even shared it to my Facebook, thinking this insight would resonate with people and they would have their minds blown by it. As mine was. Now it’s something I simply take for granted. But I also learned that a revelation isn’t accessible to everyone around you, like John also points out, because of certain entrenched paradigms. It is deeply personal and relational in and of itself. “Knock and the door will be opened, seek and you shall find.”
Yes i imagine many in science/academia use the principle relationship of the Trinity by describing things in the universe as having a relationship with each other without even realizing it. And at an even deeper level, using the analogy of language, which is an immaterial entity, to describe the physical universe. One cannot even use language or learn except to accept, a priori, that the word is equal to the object it is speaking of.
These men are individually brilliant and to see how each struggle to formulate their thoughts and understanding of the scriptures tells us how profoundly complex this book is!
When the Bishop speaks, WOW. The man exudes not only intellectual authority but, more importantly, he exudes a peaceful spiritual connection to word of God some of the others only philosophize about. What an absolute TITAN of a man
Nope. Read 1st Corinthians 1:17 to the end of chapter 3. People probably described Paul as you do *WHEN PAUL WAS A LOST PHARISEE* Before he was transformed 180 on the road to Damascus (as recounted three times in the Book of Acts) and became a new creature (2 Corinthians 5:17) and born again/born of the Spirit (as Jesus says "you must be" in John chapter 3) i.e he became a Christian by definition: John 1:12-13, Romans 8:9. When was this "bishop" born anew? When was he made brand new? That's all that matters. [The RC doctrine is that regeneration - being born anew - takes place at infant baptism but that contradicts numerous New Testament passages (so does infant baptism itself!) not least the analogy that Jesus uses of the wind in John 3. You cannot predict it. You cannot schedule it. The RCC schedules infant baptisms. We are saved by grace through faith [trust in Jesus]: Ephesians 2:8-9 but conversion i.e 180 transformation happens some time afterwards, through the Holy Spirit as God wills it. Read Acts chapter 1. *THEN* we know that someone is truly a child of God (John 1:12-13, Romans 8:9, 1st John): by the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-24) and by how righteous their life is (1st John chapter 3). If the Holy Spirit indwells (John 14:16-17, Romans 8:9 & 14 etc) then the fruit is righteousness.
@@AllGloryandHonorToHim the Scripture that was collated by the Catholic Church? The reason most Protestants have a simplistic and shallow understanding of Scripture and therefore have no actual spiritual practice is because for some reason, you don’t value learned men’s teaching, you become your own vicar, and that’s why we have absolutely barmy nonsense going on in all of the multiple denominations.
Once again , these conversations are fantastic, I would love to see Fr . Spitzer here as well , he is out of control in the best sense . Thank you gentlemen.
Vervaeke blew me away. Brought tears to my eyes. Why? Maybe because of presenting a humble and deeply earnest approach to the deepest and also most prosaic experiences of life.
Agreed! I was stunned to see that someone else had picked up on that pattern of light, life, love, Logos like he had, AND that he said he saw that it might be trying to communicate something deeper to us. Bible study with him would be an experience.
We need more discussions like this. Smart men, getting together and discussing the word of God in detail. Breaking it down where we fully understand the knowledge and truth behind it
I’ve just stumbled upon this series… this is EXCELLENT content I have immediately shared it among all my friends👍🏻 Dr.Peterson we need much more of this & pls dig deeper. Bravo 🙏🙏🙏
It's beautiful when you sit and contemplate what was said here at one point. God's word created life. His word is God and becomes his Son and he falls in love with him. He then sacrifices himself at one point to save his own creation. What a story. Thank you God.
I love how Jordan closes his eyes when he’s talking every once in a while. It shows his heart for the Truth. He’s doing everything he can to understand, love it! Christ is King
John presents Christ as the ultimate mediator between God and humanity, both sustaining the universe and bringing redemption. This not only asserts Jesus' divinity but also His role in God's redemptive plan, making the opening of John’s Gospel a foundational text for understanding Christology. Jesus Christ is the all in all.
Wow. Happy Christmas to all of us. I started on the Exodus series before it was on Daily Wire, which was one of the most profound spiritual experiences of my life. Though I quite like Ben Shapiro, joining was a luxury. Now it's a necessity. Thank you, God.
It's fantastic to have an open minded science based guy like John in the group. Because it's fantastic to hear the stance of "The World" weighted against the Truth.
God bless Dr. Jordan Peterson. You have ascended spiritually. You have reached your highest call in life. God bless you and your associates and family.
Loving sacrifice. This has to be the ultimate answer to “the meaning of life.” I’ve never been so struck with the profound beauty of truth. Loving sacrifice seems to be the perfect counterpoint and antidote to our post-modern obsession with the “will to power” and our resulting culture of hedonistic materialism.
“Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation,” Colossians 1:15 NLT When we see Christ we see the father
@ John 1 King James Version 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth
So much talent all sitting on the same table.... this is the best collab on YT & I can't wait for the long version of this video to be available. Happy Thanksgiving & may God abundantly bless you all🙏✝️✝️✝️
This is amazing. This stay at home Canadian Mom who was just baptised and totally relates to Jordan's struggles to stop the brain and accept the simplicity....is very very excited for this....and they just discovered that "Jesus is God" mosaic floor from the 200s... Like..he is calling people home now HARD. I'm so glad I prayed to know the Truth of Jesus. It's how I got here. No amount of head knowledge can do it for people like us 😂 that's not what it's about. Trying to KNOW IT from your own power is futile. There are a few faces who speak a little more to regular people I would have liked to see.. Dr. John Lennox and Pastor Cliffe
amen :) childlike wonder and childlike faith understands that we will never fully unravel the greatness of God to understand it but will certainly enjoy the greatness, beauty, and perfection, of God forever :) the mystery surrounding God is thrilling!!! the forgiveness of God is freeing!!! talk about out of our league! so for now we must simply allow ourselves to be resolved that our finite minds are not able to go there in the present but eternity is in our hearts. the Lord goes from glory to glory and the awaiting adventure of watching this ever revealing unraveling wonder, where there is no more time and no more finite limits, will be the very thing God intended in the beginning when He foreknew each and every one of us whom He made in His image to KNOW Him. so truly the point is to Know. Him. By. Faith. (thank You Holy Spirit) because our very natural pride has to take the back seat in this ride (well more like ride on the back bumper lol). eye hath not seen and ear hath not heard..1 cor 2:9 and the Bible tells us Jesus is the fullness of God. col 2:9. He said: he that hath seen Me hath seen the Father. i love how dr john lennox "puts the cookies down where the kiddies can get into them"..
I’ll miss John Lennox, he had some of the best contributions of the last series but I’m curious to hear more from all these men. Onward and upward, may God be glorified!
John Lennox is a gift from God. The story about his father store, bombed almost killing his family and his brother in Ireland and his friendship with C.S Lewis. His love for our Lord and savior🇮🇱🇺🇸 🙏Dennis gets well from his fall
In some older translations the Scripture states In another beginning was the LAW The LAW was with YAH The LAW was YAH Later on The LAW became flesh Yeshua is The LAW in The Flesh Thank you all for sharing and listening and having conversations as such
Yes! Everyone else in an attempt to sound erudite and sophisticated ends up sounding like they don't know what they're talking about, or like kamalalalalala. Bishop Barron gets to the heart of the meaning of the Word.
@@kittybitts567then you are idol worshipping because answering the question isn't the point. Lol. They're displaying by example how to wrestle with the question... for the people that DON'T ALREADY KNOW. lmao. You type of people are just sickeningly weird. You claim to have such high morals and then immediately turn around and display, BY EXAMPLE, how you are not anything at all like the MAN you worship.
That was the best string of words I ever heard you put together Vervaeke. Beautiful. It felt like the string was manifesting itself and you managed to pull it into the conversation.
Yes! And his insistence that behind the banality of our nouns we are at risk of losing something profound. That had me punching the air - metaphorically of course!
It's interesting that John 1:14 was not mentioned in the brief discussion of John 1:1. The "Logos became flesh and [he] dwelt among us." This is something that the philosopher, the historian, and the scientist could appreciate. For it takes us beyond the realm of metaphor, meta-narratives, and ideas, and into human experience.
I'd go even further.. the Word is the Way, the Truth and the Life. So that would be Christ, buuuut... Why do Christians refer to the "Word" as the Bible?
You will only find who Adonai is outside of religion. Al Corintim bet (Second to the Corinthians)11:3 אַךְ חוֹשְׁשַׁנִי שֶׁמָּא תֻּדַּחְנָה מַחְשְׁבוֹתֵיכֶם מִן הַפַּשְׁטוּת שֶׁבַּמָּשִׁיחַ כְּמוֹ שֶׁאֵרַע לְחַוָּה כַּאֲשֶׁר הִדִּיחַ אוֹתָהּ הַנָּחָשׁ בְּעָרְמָתוֹ שֶׁכֵּן אִם בָּא מִישֶׁהוּ וּמַכְרִיז לָכֶם עַל יֵשׁוּעַ אַחֵר אֲשֶׁר לֹא הִכְרַזְנוּ, אוֹ אִם תְּקַבְּלוּ רוּחַ שׁוֹנָה מִזּוֹ שֶׁנִּתְּנָה לָכֶם אוֹ בְּשׂוֹרָה שׁוֹנָה מִזּוֹ שֶׁקִּבַּלְתֶּם, אֲזַי אַתֶּם סוֹבְלִים אוֹתוֹ הֵיטֵב As I fear they will deviate from the simplicity of the mashiach (anointed), just as Chavah (Eve) was driven out of her cunning by the serpent. Therefore, anyone who comes announcing a different Yeshua that was not announced, or who received a spirit (or knowledge) different from that given to you, or good news (gospel) different from those received, then you tolerate it.
The 'Word' is God expressed, God defined. God's full expression, His ultimate communication and revelation of Himself to humanity, embodied in the person of Jesus Christ.
That seems awfully complicated. How 'bout instead, God is a living story that told itself so well, everyone who heard it believed it was reality, so much so that it became reality?
"And Lord, haste the day when the faith shall be sight, The clouds be rolled back as a scroll;" The trump shall resound, and the Lord shall descend, Even so, it is well with my soul"
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Christ is the Word (Logos) _“Before Abraham was, was the I AM”_ *- John 8:58*
John 1-2,18 John 5:17-18 John 8:58-59 John 10:30-33 John 20:28 John 17:5, 24 Yes Jesus is God these are some verse to back up the divine nature of Jesus.
Logos is a Farsi/Persian word " ناموس - namoos " which means "Honor".
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@@ShonMardani It's also an ancient greek word which translates as word. In English Logos translates as the plural of ''a graphic representation or symbol of a company name, trademark, abbreviation, etc., often uniquely designed for ready recognition''
That’s not what that verse says at all, and it’s especially not what is indicated in the original Greek text ἐγὼ εἰμί (I am) either. The interpretation that Jesus was calling himself the Father YHWH as in Exodus 3:14 is bunkum. To back this up, this exact same sequence of ἐγὼ εἰμί is translated as “I have been” in John 14:9. It’s also used countless times by many other people other than Jesus in the New Testament. Jesus is simply stating that he existed before Abraham even came into being, to make a point. He’s not saying he’s the Father YHWH. Making such a correlation through bad English translations is an enormous stretch that for some reason has caught on like wildfire, but it’s NOT accurate and this should not be used as support for the divine nature of Christ. John 1:1 shows Christ’s divine nature: καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος “and divine was the Word.” (Theos here is missing the definite article, so it is important to note that it is therefore adjectival and qualitative in nature, unlike the first instance, and is thus better translated as “a god” or “divine.”) John 8:58 should not be used to make claims that Jesus himself was not making. To do such is to put words in his mouth, when he tells us himself who he is: the only-begotten Son of God. He’s not YHWH.
How can a word be the first thing to exist, when it requires all kinds of complex things to make happen? Words don't really do much--if everybody sat around and talked to each other all the time, nothing would happen.
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@@somethingtojenga Because we do not have the spiritual potency. Highly evolved spiritual beings create, and reproduce, using sound
The Word, the Son...speaking by God the Father, through the power of the Spirit. God in inseparable three Persons! From a nobody in the theological world.
@IAMGraceRaphael : Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and You have seen Abraham?” “Truly, truly, I tell you,” Jesus declared, “before Abraham was born, I am!” - John 8:57-58 (NKJV) ... Jesus did not shrink from the fact that He is God. In fact, the Lord doubled-down well knowing that the Pharisees/Sadducees would end His life over such a statement. All present knew full well the intention and meaning of His use of "I am." in the above statement.
but sometimes they do too much thinking about verses that are simple to understand but I guess God reveals himself to people in different ways because it seems like poor people have stronger faith & that's probably why Jesus came to the world thru a poor family and spend most of his life among the poor.
I will shine your light over the darkness a very overshadowing of darkness your light will reflect your glory your power will be seen on display in that time upon great victory shall you overcome for your glory our God is...his word will be like a rainbow the kind of word that has fulfillment
I somewhat recently retain the view that our vibrating reality is literally the word spoke in to existence. Refining the highest essence through experiencing itself
The Good News that we can defeat the greatest enemy of humanity, human nature, by adopting the nature of God which is freely given to those who believe in the life and death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. It’s a message of redemption, immortality, morality, transcendence. A true work of art. The Word is God
“The word became flesh and dwelt among us”(that’s Jesus) “My word always accomplishes what it is sent to do”(that’s Jesus) My thoughts; when someone speaks, there is a person who also has a voice; the person is not the voice, and the voice is not the person, but the voice and the person are inseparable and simultaneously exist together; the person uses the voice to communicate; to transmit information; to affect the environment. God has always existed and has always had a voice and that voice is the son. When God speaks, it is Jesus that proceeds. Any effort to explain this will undoubtedly wind up in some ditch along the way since we are infinitely less knowledgeable than the Word that made us. Just my thoughts. Happy thanksgiving everyone.
The physical body of the Son of God was not in heaven with God when he created everything in the beginning. It was Gods thought/plan that was there all along
The Word is God. He is teaching us His thoughts and His ways. The Word was with God in the beginning. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. The parable of the Sower is where the word was planted "first". Naturally, the word was planted first. just thinking out loud :)
”You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me” John 5:39 He is ultimate reality. To gain wisdom and understanding is to get to know him.
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I’ve never been this excited for a lecture series in my entire life.
Christ is King ✝️
Not my king
@@blackMamba-nc7ebso why are you here? You’re manifesting.
Amen! Christ is King!
Me too 😊
You should be listening to actual Bible/seminary teachers then. This is a round table of many lost people
The Word, is God. God spoke everything into existance. Jesus is the Word.
@@sheilavescovi8041 so god has vocal cords? what about a sound medium?
@@I-am-Hrut God gave us music
@@NovahPSC weird, I thought _birds_ figured melody out _long before_ we ever did. And judging by how tone deaf most of us are, it doesn't seem like he did a terribly good job at it either.
@@I-am-Hrutblaming God for the misused free will of humans, is akin to blaming your father when you crash your car while DUI.
Pretending you're bad at Math is the teacher's fault, when in fact you didn't even listen nor practiced is your argument.
Talk about tone deaf, dishonest and lazy.
@kittentacticalwarfare1140 "Free Will" only enters Christianity in the 4th Century, so it's not only irrelevant to authentic Christianity, but it's actually explicitly condemned by Paul in Romans 6. (but, setting aside all of the issues with "free will") if any common Christian definition of "god" was as limited as a typical human father was, then sure, I guess it would seem rather silly to place all the blame for your DUI on him.
But, alas, the Judeo-Christian god is the creator of ALL THINGS, both good and bad (Isaiah 45:7).
If we were to make your disanalogy more analogous to the real world, then if you're allowed to blame anyone for anything (technically this is a very inauthentic "Christian" behavior, btw. You guys should stop doing this, it's not Christlike at all. The earliest Christians (including the authors of the NT) were all fatalists)-especially Paul) than at the very least you should be able to blame your parents for genetically predisposing you to alcoholism and reckless behaviors, the bartender for violating his responsibility to enforce Dram laws (not overserving patrons and not preventing the inebriated from reckless behaviors like drunk driving)-which is why they're held legally liable too; and not just that, you should also be able to blame every other circumstance tha effects any situation too, no matter how small or insignificant that influence seems.
That's the whole point of chaos theory-even seemingly minute difference in starting conditions can _drastically_ alter the deterministic evolution of any sufficiently complex, chaotic system.
The smartest thing that Dr. Peterson ever did in making this series is have Bishop Barron. He inspires discussion so well and has such a deep understanding of the Biblical texts that brings amazing depth to it as well.
Would be much better with Arch Bishop Vigano
Not really. Catholicism is paganism.
@@MRios1128 Please provide the evidence for such claims.
@@MRios1128Again a troll who wants to divide Christians. Avoid such foolish!
@@daradevlin4093making idols out of all the pomp and ceremony, salvation by works, just two for ya, but with that said, some Catholics DO believe Jesus Christ is Lord and by him is the only way to God and salvation-Romans 10:9. However, a large sect of Catholics don’t believe that and pray to saints and Mary and not Jesus Christ. It’s quite clear, but no, not all Catholics are saved.
I pray that the Holy Spirit open their hearts and eyes to the truth of Jesus Christ and may they humble themselves to receive and believe Him.
Watch his Exodus series friend! They don't disappoint. Such a benefit spiritually.
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Amen
Amen I feel like this is absurd. The word is God and they act like they have to figure it out.
@@faithfulservantofchrist9876: If “the Word is God,” then why bother with making the statement that “the Word became flesh”? Why not simply say, “God became flesh”?
The fact that the author of John begins by making a statement about “the Word” being both “with God” and “God” proves that your perspective is way too simplistic. Your statement is one-dimensional. John’s is multi-dimensional.
Man who puts God first will never be last
What a time to be alive
Amen
Very troublesome
Amen 🙌
yeah. so cool
@@blackMamba-nc7eb troublesome for Muslims or unbelievers
From Afghanistan, İ Love You Brother İn Christ.
Jesus The Word Logos Bless You...
God protect and shield you ✨✨🇬🇧🙏💪
God Bless and protect you, Sibling in Christ 🇬🇧✝️🕊️
@c2Gw4s prayer that God protects you and grows your presence in Him.
We love you and pray for your safety and wellbeing. May Jesus bless you and your family always. 💛
God bless and keep you!
The “Word” always exists regardless of whether or not is thought, spoken, or written. It is Christ.
Completely circular, and it doesn't make sense
@MrNpc81 You mean our puny, finite, and weak minds can't grasp an infinite, omnipowerful, omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient being? Would you expect the alternative?
@@Dee-nonamnamrson8718 Is this being also omnibenevolent?
@@MrNpc81it is circular, in a sense. And that’s sort of the point, ironically.
@@larrylongshanks1399 we live in a special echo. Some try to silence.
I need this in my life. I can’t afford the DW+ subscription. The last time you gathered these minds to explore I did not miss a word. Yes now is a beautiful time to be alive.
I find it impossible to believe that someone who "needs" this in their life can't find 15 dollars to view it for a month.
Hi, I'm willing send you the funds for a one month subscription if you would like?
God bless
Also, they are currently 50% off. Merry Christmas!
Then you don't understand what it's like to live in the lower middle class
50% off at the moment.
How I wish Dr. Scott Hahn was also on the table.
I thought the same.
Agree
Dr Scott Hahn is a Roman Catholic apologist and dangerous deceiver.
Need him
He’s not allowed. Peterson’s boss wouldn’t allow that
Christ is The Word, and Christ is eternal.
I always took the Word meaning the Bible… 😅 I never worried about whether that meant the literal speaking. I just thought “It is written.” That is the Word and the Word has power.
“That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of life-”
I John 1:1 NKJV
Jesus is the Word. John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
@@WolfeTone17-98 coram deo.
They dancing around it because they are jews in the room. Be direct. Don't be ashamed!
I was going to make the same comment!
I think one of the points of this Scripture is to declare Jesus's eternal existence. Yes, Jesus was born through a human birth, and existed as you have seen Him on this earth. But He Existed before that, even at The Beginning.
This points to Jesus's Divinity.
Just as does Jesus Showing up on the earth before his human birth, showing up as The Angel of The Lord repeatedly. This shows His eternal existence, before He was born of a virgin.
@@JesusFreak4EverWe existed with Jesus in the beginning as well as intelligences, as spiritual beings. Everyone that came to earth chose to come here of their own free will and moral agency.
@@NovahPSC Yes, we did.
Bishop Barron made a powerfully True and succinct statement about the inherent Creative Word from within God Himself. He is the Spoken Force in all creation. No spin, just facts. I value Bishop Robert Barron's studied insights on much of Scripture. Plus his homilies can be very heartwarming. Thank you Jordan for including Bishop Barron on your panel. High Quality voice.😊
Sure beats JBP blathering on, at extreme length, about the same old points m, and yet never really ‘getting’ it.
@virginiacharlotte7007 Virginia each person is a unique receiver for messaging. My nephew loves J.P. and I see his different perspectives. I'm different too.
J.P. has millions of followers. But I have always loved Bishop Robert Barron because he stays very close to the cardinal verities.
@virginiacharlotte7007 J.P. is unique.
@@virginiacharlotte7007i love jp but man his talks about the Bible ain’t it. Go back to life advice and psychology
@@virginiacharlotte7007 it's interesting you would sit through him talking, if he's so bad at it. What good does it do such an honest Christian as yourself, to callously critique a person's shortcomings, as if you enjoyed it? 😉
I just love how different denominations are coming together and not fighting. I been waiting for this for 37 years.
Jesus is bringing us together
Christ is King!
Do you mean like a One World religion? Jesus came that we might have life, but unity says that Catholics, Mormons, LDS, SDA, Hindus, Muslims, etc, all believe the same thing. Jordan Paterson is a Catholic, as are the others, and they are all deceived.
Absolutely not. Jesus is separating the wheat from the chaff.
Nope, Truth divides
Wht are you waiting for that? Jesus said he came to bring a sword.
@@annieBBL24 Yes, he came to bring the new covenant to the Jews and convert them to Christian’s which divided people and families. My question to you is: What is wrong with different denominations coming together just to talk about jesus and does it bug you if other religions come together just to “talk” about Jesus?
*When I was 8 years old I asked my grandmother where did.God come from? She said...”our minds do not go back that far” Still true today, decades later.*
My five year old asked the same recently. He didn't wait for an answer though. Just ran off to the next thing 😊
That's a surprisingly clever and humble answer...
Interesting but God is not a being like we or anything we know IS, he is outside of time and never “came into being” like everything in this universe did. I agree our minds cannot fathom this but it is important to acknowledge that God is not just another thing in the universe, in contrast, he UPHOLDS everything into being - please reference the thomistic insitute on this matter - they do an amazing job
God has always existed eternally 🙂
It's good that reasonable men gather together to discuss Jesus Christ. I pray they come to know Him and develop a personal relationship with Him. Jesus is much more than the single most influential person that has ever been. He is GOD.
They aren't reasonable men. If they used reason they wouldn't conclude that god exists.
The birds is the word
Most of the men on the panel are Christians. Bishop Barron is a Catholic bishop
@@sparxhub3379 Why is that ?
@@sparxhub3379 so is it also reasonable that "nothing" caused "everything" ?
Now this is wonderful to see. Intelligent, mature men all gathered together to openly and honestly dissect one of the oldest and most polarizing pieces of literature in human history. We need more of this in society. Thank you for this series.
Maybe we need more of this in your society, but not remotely every society needs to dissect a book where people were grasping at straws thousands of years ago. It illuminates the ignorance of mankind, not much more. The Universe is ultimately chaos, and we distill a small part of it to find enough of a pattern to avoid enough things. That's mankind's situation. Brains give the chaos meaning, but the meaning isn't there without the brain, understanding of space and time even as separate things isn't there without the brain. What makes how we change over time "time?" What makes our one eye a 'similar thing' to our other, or even part of the same thing, without a brain? One eye can in fact be the enemy of the other, the brain enemies of them both, the liver enemy to the blood and vice-versa... it's all chaos, and we don't survive it, we just find enough patterns to keep our "kind" going, a very top-level construction of "society" above a terrifying truth.
Glory to God. This one of the best things that has ever happened to Daily Wire and TH-cam.
I love how much Jordan Peterson respects Bishop Barron. Very heartwarming❤❤
I enjoy people talking about God.
Limitless and boundless.
John 1:14 "And The Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth."
@@evangelistandreas9105 What about idle words? 😅
God is the meaning that idle words lack. You see this in the resurrection. Meaning transcends the flesh.
Christ is not God, but was made Lord by the Almighty Father who sent Him. Nowhere in Scripture does Christ ever proclaim to be God.
"MY God, MY God, why have you forsaken Me?"
Not "myself, myself, why have I forsaken myself?"
@@MRios1128 You are truly lost just like the useless words used in this video clip. With out Jesus there is no salvation. Bənē hāʾĔlōhīm God in the flesh. Amen and pray you see the truth.
@@nathanburr3994 mic drop
@@MRios1128 You might wish to re-read the Book of John:
"All things were made through Him (Christ), and without Him nothing was made that was made." - John 1:3
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"Nothing that was made was made without Him." It's not ambiguous.
So refreshing to hear so many intelligent people interact in such a civil mature manner
Especially in this day and age...social media is a cancer.
intellectual curiosity and discussion is always better than one up-ism.
Arrogantly trying to explain to other Human Apes the mystery of our existence which can NEVER be understood by said Apes
I wouldn't call them intelligent at all
Prager is not intelligent
I am so looking forward to this! I have started looking into Christianity and Judaism and I am honestly surprised by how deep and logical things end up being. I shouldn't be surprised, but I went to public schools where they ban talking about this. Which is a real shame, totally ruins the connection and ability to understand the way humans thought for the last two thousand years and isolates us as individuals.
As a former marine brother, I want you to become Catholic. Peace be with you.
Wow. Banned? Dude, without singing hymns during our morning assemblies, I don’t see how I could have made it through my childhood. That shit was healing my soul. Always makes me sad when I see that other people didn’t have that.
Me too.
@@swinnyuk6584 Singing hymns is not "shit".
I feel that Dr Petersons Wife Tammy’s faith and his near death experience have brought him closer to God and Christ. And He has admitted as much. God bless you Dr Peterson !
I've now come to realise that Mr. Peterson gradually brought back God in my life where I have had fully abandoned him and also parts of myself. It's so relieving to have my pieces put together. Love each other, dear fellows, it's not much time here on earth.
I’m inclined to believe he’s doing a soft evangelizing. He inserts psychological approaches to biblical stories in his conversations
Bishop Baron is contractually obligated to speak Latin at least once per answer
Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam!
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Latin is a meaning-packed language. My problem is I learn one Latin word and think about it for the next ten years. 😂
Bishop Robert "Ipso Facto" Barron🥰
@DanielleRosaria So what you are doing when that is happening is some kind of semantic archeology. By learning how a different set of cultures grouped concepts together in some foreign way to us, we can restore a kind of facsimile of an ancient frame of mind. The wisdom of the ancients is encoded by and also inbedded within language.
Jordan, we love you. Stop trying so hard. Just let it flow, when it comes to you. We know that you're brilliant. Let it go.
Bishop Barron dropping the "Logos"
Puts a smile on my face
It's suppised to be what he says and what he does, not about him the man. Weirdo
Psalm 107:20 He sent His word and healed them, And delivered them from their destructions.
To John’s point (5:40), it was some years back, in my 20s, that I had the realization, the revelation if you will, that relationships are the fundamental metric of the universe/existence. I found it to be very profound at the time, and even shared it to my Facebook, thinking this insight would resonate with people and they would have their minds blown by it. As mine was. Now it’s something I simply take for granted. But I also learned that a revelation isn’t accessible to everyone around you, like John also points out, because of certain entrenched paradigms. It is deeply personal and relational in and of itself. “Knock and the door will be opened, seek and you shall find.”
The corn. I the first AM the last. I’m The Spirit Of Truth, what is it that you seek?
Yes i imagine many in science/academia use the principle relationship of the Trinity by describing things in the universe as having a relationship with each other without even realizing it. And at an even deeper level, using the analogy of language, which is an immaterial entity, to describe the physical universe. One cannot even use language or learn except to accept, a priori, that the word is equal to the object it is speaking of.
@@hexahexametermeter well said.
These men are individually brilliant and to see how each struggle to formulate their thoughts and understanding of the scriptures tells us how profoundly complex this book is!
When the Bishop speaks, WOW. The man exudes not only intellectual authority but, more importantly, he exudes a peaceful spiritual connection to word of God some of the others only philosophize about. What an absolute TITAN of a man
He is such an educated man, I always search out his approach to any topic within the Faith. ❤
Idol worship is kinda gross dude. What kind of Christian are you?
If he took The Truth of Scripture Over the doctrine of Men, he would leave Catholicism. EX Catholic, Now Christian Because of The Word of God.
Nope.
Read 1st Corinthians 1:17 to the end of chapter 3.
People probably described Paul as you do *WHEN PAUL WAS A LOST PHARISEE*
Before he was transformed 180 on the road to Damascus (as recounted three times in the Book of Acts) and became a new creature (2 Corinthians 5:17) and born again/born of the Spirit (as Jesus says "you must be" in John chapter 3) i.e he became a Christian by definition: John 1:12-13, Romans 8:9.
When was this "bishop" born anew? When was he made brand new? That's all that matters.
[The RC doctrine is that regeneration - being born anew - takes place at infant baptism but that contradicts numerous New Testament passages (so does infant baptism itself!) not least the analogy that Jesus uses of the wind in John 3.
You cannot predict it. You cannot schedule it.
The RCC schedules infant baptisms.
We are saved by grace through faith [trust in Jesus]: Ephesians 2:8-9 but conversion i.e 180 transformation happens some time afterwards, through the Holy Spirit as God wills it.
Read Acts chapter 1.
*THEN* we know that someone is truly a child of God (John 1:12-13, Romans 8:9, 1st John): by the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-24) and by how righteous their life is (1st John chapter 3).
If the Holy Spirit indwells (John 14:16-17, Romans 8:9 & 14 etc) then the fruit is righteousness.
@@AllGloryandHonorToHim the Scripture that was collated by the Catholic Church? The reason most Protestants have a simplistic and shallow understanding of Scripture and therefore have no actual spiritual practice is because for some reason, you don’t value learned men’s teaching, you become your own vicar, and that’s why we have absolutely barmy nonsense going on in all of the multiple denominations.
Hello Jordan. If you read this, thanks for everything.
Ditto
“The Word” from God
is what that looks like
in human form.
Perfectly obedient - exactly what was said in human example.
Once again , these conversations are fantastic, I would love to see Fr . Spitzer here as well , he is out of control in the best sense . Thank you gentlemen.
Vervaeke blew me away. Brought tears to my eyes. Why? Maybe because of presenting a humble and deeply earnest approach to the deepest and also most prosaic experiences of life.
Same. Vervaeke is insistent that we wake up to the mystery of intelligibility. He is a gift in this forum.
Agreed! I was stunned to see that someone else had picked up on that pattern of light, life, love, Logos like he had, AND that he said he saw that it might be trying to communicate something deeper to us. Bible study with him would be an experience.
We need more discussions like this. Smart men, getting together and discussing the word of God in detail. Breaking it down where we fully understand the knowledge and truth behind it
I’ve just stumbled upon this series… this is EXCELLENT content I have immediately shared it among all my friends👍🏻
Dr.Peterson we need much more of this & pls dig deeper. Bravo 🙏🙏🙏
I respect the duality of Dr Peterson's suit. It speaks volumes.
To understand what God means by “the Word” you have to go to its original text and the original language. That’s exactly what Bishop Barron did.
When Bishop Barron Speaks, I only Listen ❤fullness of truth.
It's beautiful when you sit and contemplate what was said here at one point. God's word created life. His word is God and becomes his Son and he falls in love with him. He then sacrifices himself at one point to save his own creation. What a story. Thank you God.
Dogmatically speaking, the Word never "became" God's Son but IS (and has always been) the Son.
Whether you find the meaning or not, THIS is all praise. Glory be to God.
What a concentration of intelligence 🥹 the sight of all these wonderful men sitted together around this round table discussing is amazing!
It’s amazing to me with all the intellectual power at that table, nobody actually answered the question. I think the Bible talks about this somewhere.
I’m a Christian and this was a deep and interesting discussion. More please.
Jesus is the way the truth and the life love one another pray for one another Jesus Loves you🙏🙏🙏❤❤❤
Thank you for delivering the Word. The Truth will follow.
I love how Jordan closes his eyes when he’s talking every once in a while. It shows his heart for the Truth. He’s doing everything he can to understand, love it! Christ is King
The word is Jesus, plain and simple
John presents Christ as the ultimate mediator between God and humanity, both sustaining the universe and bringing redemption. This not only asserts Jesus' divinity but also His role in God's redemptive plan, making the opening of John’s Gospel a foundational text for understanding Christology. Jesus Christ is the all in all.
Well written well said
I signed up for Daily Wire for the Exodus seminar - and I have been looking forward to The Gospels for months!
Add Dr Scott Hahn to this conversation and you have perfection.
Thankyou Jordan for this opportunity
I just love these discussions. This is the first thing that's hours long that I've watched throughout the week in years.
Wow. Happy Christmas to all of us. I started on the Exodus series before it was on Daily Wire, which was one of the most profound spiritual experiences of my life. Though I quite like Ben Shapiro, joining was a luxury. Now it's a necessity. Thank you, God.
Happy Christmas to you! 🙏🕊️
I think JP keeps his cliff notes behind his eyelids 🤫 1:20
The Word is the proliferation of order out of chaos through true speech
The very light that shines from the clouds on a sunrise is an example of God's love for us
It's fantastic to have an open minded science based guy like John in the group. Because it's fantastic to hear the stance of "The World" weighted against the Truth.
I believe the Word in the beginning is Jesus!
God bless Dr. Jordan Peterson. You have ascended spiritually. You have reached your highest call in life. God bless you and your associates and family.
Loving sacrifice. This has to be the ultimate answer to “the meaning of life.” I’ve never been so struck with the profound beauty of truth.
Loving sacrifice seems to be the perfect counterpoint and antidote to our post-modern obsession with the “will to power” and our resulting culture of hedonistic materialism.
It's A Love that changes a man life soul spirit mind heart eyes even my blood.. Father really sent Jesus Christ. The Son of the Living One
Jesus said I live, so u will live Also . It's True
“Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation,”
Colossians 1:15 NLT
When we see Christ we see the father
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John 1
King James Version
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth
It doesn't say he was created.
He is begotten meaning He is part of the Father
You guys are stuck on idolatry, this is why this addiction to images.
Image there is shadow, something exactly copied in actions.
@@Bolawaythe heck are you talking about.
So much talent all sitting on the same table.... this is the best collab on YT & I can't wait for the long version of this video to be available.
Happy Thanksgiving & may God abundantly bless you all🙏✝️✝️✝️
This is amazing. This stay at home Canadian Mom who was just baptised and totally relates to Jordan's struggles to stop the brain and accept the simplicity....is very very excited for this....and they just discovered that "Jesus is God" mosaic floor from the 200s... Like..he is calling people home now HARD. I'm so glad I prayed to know the Truth of Jesus. It's how I got here. No amount of head knowledge can do it for people like us 😂 that's not what it's about. Trying to KNOW IT from your own power is futile. There are a few faces who speak a little more to regular people I would have liked to see.. Dr. John Lennox and Pastor Cliffe
amen :) childlike wonder and childlike faith understands that we will never fully unravel the greatness of God to understand it but will certainly enjoy the greatness, beauty, and perfection, of God forever :) the mystery surrounding God is thrilling!!! the forgiveness of God is freeing!!! talk about out of our league! so for now we must simply allow ourselves to be resolved that our finite minds are not able to go there in the present but eternity is in our hearts. the Lord goes from glory to glory and the awaiting adventure of watching this ever revealing unraveling wonder, where there is no more time and no more finite limits, will be the very thing God intended in the beginning when He foreknew each and every one of us whom He made in His image to KNOW Him. so truly the point is to Know. Him. By. Faith. (thank You Holy Spirit) because our very natural pride has to take the back seat in this ride (well more like ride on the back bumper lol). eye hath not seen and ear hath not heard..1 cor 2:9 and the Bible tells us Jesus is the fullness of God. col 2:9. He said: he that hath seen Me hath seen the Father. i love how dr john lennox "puts the cookies down where the kiddies can get into them"..
I’ll miss John Lennox, he had some of the best contributions of the last series but I’m curious to hear more from all these men. Onward and upward, may God be glorified!
John Lennox is a gift from God. The story about his father store, bombed almost killing his family and his brother in Ireland and his friendship with C.S Lewis. His love for our Lord and savior🇮🇱🇺🇸
🙏Dennis gets well from his fall
The Word is Life. The Bread that came down from heaven, for u to eat. Straight Gloryyyyyyyyyyyyy
In some older translations the Scripture states
In another beginning was the LAW
The LAW was with YAH
The LAW was YAH
Later on The LAW became flesh
Yeshua is The LAW in The Flesh
Thank you all for sharing and listening and having conversations as such
Sources ??!?!?! Lol
Bro Bishop Barron is on another level.
I love this discussion so much
Wow.....great conversation. I like how Bishop Barron demystifies the discussion.
Baron is an auto didact.
Yes! Everyone else in an attempt to sound erudite and sophisticated ends up sounding like they don't know what they're talking about, or like kamalalalalala. Bishop Barron gets to the heart of the meaning of the Word.
He has the great advantage of the Catholic Church and the Doctors of the Church that have written on these very topics.
@@kittybitts567then you are idol worshipping because answering the question isn't the point. Lol. They're displaying by example how to wrestle with the question... for the people that DON'T ALREADY KNOW. lmao. You type of people are just sickeningly weird. You claim to have such high morals and then immediately turn around and display, BY EXAMPLE, how you are not anything at all like the MAN you worship.
@@kittybitts567"my opinion on the matter is valid purely because i think one man is perfect"
Dr Peterson , are you able to get John Lennox in on the discussion he would add wonderful insight
This is amazing. I feel being a part of this conversation and am learning so much. Thank you. It's Genius.
"Speak the Truth in Love."
Ephesians 4:15
"Thy Word is truth."
John 17:17
That was the best string of words I ever heard you put together Vervaeke. Beautiful. It felt like the string was manifesting itself and you managed to pull it into the conversation.
Yes! And his insistence that behind the banality of our nouns we are at risk of losing something profound. That had me punching the air - metaphorically of course!
He spoke the truth of the relational into being! I appreciated his gesticulations as well when describing metaphor :)
It's interesting that John 1:14 was not mentioned in the brief discussion of John 1:1. The "Logos became flesh and [he] dwelt among us." This is something that the philosopher, the historian, and the scientist could appreciate. For it takes us beyond the realm of metaphor, meta-narratives, and ideas, and into human experience.
Jesus is the Word! It's not mysterious or cryptic. John 1:1-4
Jesus is the word nothing was made without him through him all things were made. Some can’t grasp it because they lack the Holy Spirit.
A great dialogue Jordan. Thank you for bringing these minds and hearts together for this important purpose.
The word , from God , is truth . Seek truth find God.
Accept lies , loose God.
That opening verse is the pointer / path to our Longing , God’s love.
I'd go even further.. the Word is the Way, the Truth and the Life. So that would be Christ, buuuut... Why do Christians refer to the "Word" as the Bible?
@Blueridge-Doc The truth of love is love of truth. ALL else is error.
God is the biggest lie to ever exist on the face of the earth
@@stewystewymc3929sad for you .
You will only find who Adonai is outside of religion.
Al Corintim bet (Second to the Corinthians)11:3
אַךְ חוֹשְׁשַׁנִי שֶׁמָּא תֻּדַּחְנָה מַחְשְׁבוֹתֵיכֶם מִן הַפַּשְׁטוּת שֶׁבַּמָּשִׁיחַ כְּמוֹ שֶׁאֵרַע לְחַוָּה כַּאֲשֶׁר הִדִּיחַ אוֹתָהּ הַנָּחָשׁ בְּעָרְמָתוֹ שֶׁכֵּן אִם בָּא מִישֶׁהוּ וּמַכְרִיז לָכֶם עַל יֵשׁוּעַ אַחֵר אֲשֶׁר לֹא הִכְרַזְנוּ, אוֹ אִם תְּקַבְּלוּ רוּחַ שׁוֹנָה מִזּוֹ שֶׁנִּתְּנָה לָכֶם אוֹ בְּשׂוֹרָה שׁוֹנָה מִזּוֹ שֶׁקִּבַּלְתֶּם, אֲזַי אַתֶּם סוֹבְלִים אוֹתוֹ הֵיטֵב
As I fear they will deviate from the simplicity of the mashiach (anointed), just as Chavah (Eve) was driven out of her cunning by the serpent. Therefore, anyone who comes announcing a different Yeshua that was not announced, or who received a spirit (or knowledge) different from that given to you, or good news (gospel) different from those received, then you tolerate it.
I love the way they talked about the Four Ls of Jesus Christ/God:
Logos (The Word)
Love
Life
Light
I was thrilled by these!
Unfortunately in Spanish these are not four Ls
The 'Word' is God expressed, God defined. God's full expression, His ultimate communication and revelation of Himself to humanity, embodied in the person of Jesus Christ.
This
That seems awfully complicated.
How 'bout instead, God is a living story that told itself so well, everyone who heard it believed it was reality, so much so that it became reality?
@@AlexReynard Wouldn't you say God can be complicated? Yet so simple.
Well put a kind of poetic language that expresses who the Logos is Love himself, the very definition of the good, the true, and beauty 🙏🏾
The Holy Spirit is God expressed. The Word is God known. The Father is God existing.
The word is love. It is formless. It is written on your heart.
Galatians 5:22-23
"And Lord, haste the day when the faith shall be sight,
The clouds be rolled back as a scroll;"
The trump shall resound, and the Lord shall descend,
Even so, it is well with my soul"
Christ is the Word (Logos)
_“Before Abraham was, was the I AM”_ *- John 8:58*
Christ is title
John 1-2,18
John 5:17-18
John 8:58-59
John 10:30-33
John 20:28
John 17:5, 24
Yes Jesus is God these are some verse to back up the divine nature of Jesus.
Logos is a Farsi/Persian word " ناموس - namoos " which means "Honor".
@@ShonMardani It's also an ancient greek word which translates as word.
In English Logos translates as the plural of ''a graphic representation or symbol of a company name, trademark, abbreviation, etc., often uniquely designed for ready recognition''
That’s not what that verse says at all, and it’s especially not what is indicated in the original Greek text ἐγὼ εἰμί (I am) either.
The interpretation that Jesus was calling himself the Father YHWH as in Exodus 3:14 is bunkum. To back this up, this exact same sequence of ἐγὼ εἰμί is translated as “I have been” in John 14:9. It’s also used countless times by many other people other than Jesus in the New Testament. Jesus is simply stating that he existed before Abraham even came into being, to make a point. He’s not saying he’s the Father YHWH. Making such a correlation through bad English translations is an enormous stretch that for some reason has caught on like wildfire, but it’s NOT accurate and this should not be used as support for the divine nature of Christ. John 1:1 shows Christ’s divine nature: καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος “and divine was the Word.” (Theos here is missing the definite article, so it is important to note that it is therefore adjectival and qualitative in nature, unlike the first instance, and is thus better translated as “a god” or “divine.”)
John 8:58 should not be used to make claims that Jesus himself was not making. To do such is to put words in his mouth, when he tells us himself who he is: the only-begotten Son of God. He’s not YHWH.
It means that everything, including time and matter was spoken into existence by God
The Word is “I AM”
How can a word be the first thing to exist, when it requires all kinds of complex things to make happen? Words don't really do much--if everybody sat around and talked to each other all the time, nothing would happen.
@@somethingtojenga Because we do not have the spiritual potency. Highly evolved spiritual beings create, and reproduce, using sound
The Word, the Son...speaking by God the Father, through the power of the Spirit. God in inseparable three Persons! From a nobody in the theological world.
@IAMGraceRaphael : Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and You have seen Abraham?” “Truly, truly, I tell you,” Jesus declared, “before Abraham was born, I am!” - John 8:57-58 (NKJV)
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Jesus did not shrink from the fact that He is God. In fact, the Lord doubled-down well knowing that the Pharisees/Sadducees would end His life over such a statement. All present knew full well the intention and meaning of His use of "I am." in the above statement.
but sometimes they do too much thinking about verses that are simple to understand but I guess God reveals himself to people in different ways because it seems like poor people have stronger faith & that's probably why Jesus came to the world thru a poor family and spend most of his life among the poor.
I will shine your light over the darkness a very overshadowing of darkness your light will reflect your glory your power will be seen on display in that time upon great victory shall you overcome for your glory our God is...his word will be like a rainbow the kind of word that has fulfillment
I somewhat recently retain the view that our vibrating reality is literally the word spoke in to existence. Refining the highest essence through experiencing itself
The Good News that we can defeat the greatest enemy of humanity, human nature, by adopting the nature of God which is freely given to those who believe in the life and death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
It’s a message of redemption, immortality, morality, transcendence. A true work of art.
The Word is God
Human nature isn't the enemy rather death is the enemy... Not to be nitpicky lol!
Eternity won't be enough to explore His depths!
@@louisastrickland-j7m amen. The anticipation...
I love this conversation and I'm looking forward to the full series.
When did this discussion take place, and what will the series be called?
The word, to me, is sound that creates understanding and consciousness between two beings.
The hustle is strong in this one... you can get this free from your local church.
“The word became flesh and dwelt among us”(that’s Jesus)
“My word always accomplishes what it is sent to do”(that’s Jesus)
My thoughts; when someone speaks, there is a person who also has a voice; the person is not the voice, and the voice is not the person, but the voice and the person are inseparable and simultaneously exist together; the person uses the voice to communicate; to transmit information; to affect the environment. God has always existed and has always had a voice and that voice is the son. When God speaks, it is Jesus that proceeds. Any effort to explain this will undoubtedly wind up in some ditch along the way since we are infinitely less knowledgeable than the Word that made us. Just my thoughts. Happy thanksgiving everyone.
Just praying my little bro comes to God before its to late.
"The Word" is Jesus the Christ, the Son of God
The physical body of the Son of God was not in heaven with God when he created everything in the beginning.
It was Gods thought/plan that was there all along
The Word is God. He is teaching us His thoughts and His ways. The Word was with God in the beginning. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. The parable of the Sower is where the word was planted "first". Naturally, the word was planted first. just thinking out loud :)
”You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me” John 5:39
He is ultimate reality. To gain wisdom and understanding is to get to know him.