@@BlakeH..888_Negan actually redeemed himself, Governor had a chance at redemption as well but blew it for power and brutally killed Hershel. Governor was sick and twisted.
@@flaufher06_ negan has a system and isnt pure evil, he does it for reasons and is really not that bad of a guy. The governor kills people for the sake of killing people which makes him a more evil person
lmao bumping glenn that far down for the outpost attacks is kind of insane. He wasn’t in the right for it, but he also was A. protecting his family and pregnant wife, B. He was under orders from Rick and C. it was for food for people he knew, and the saviors were a group of terrorists that killed hilltopians, he was trying to prevent the same fate for alexandria. He’s not a saint, but he’s still mostly good
@@MagnusRobert even Dale would have considered killing him (not that he has the physical capabilities to do so). That action was so kind that I found myself realising that he’s better than most of the others and even myself in reflection because how can someone consciously plot to murder me like a coward but without remorse and I’m supposed to forgive that and pretend it never happened. I’ll go as far as to say he’s more of a saint than most humans full stop but I won’t discredit what he did at that outpost. He was a saint pre outpost tho imo.
In my opinion shane is overrated in the community of twd I mean he tried to kill his best friend to get his wife and son and he tried to assault lori and he killed a innocent (sry for bad english)
You only literally mentioned the guy's mistakes, but he had a lot more successes. He was the strongest character, the best shooter and the one with the most evolved mentality at the beginning of the apocalypse, who adapted most to how the world was and how people were. Besides, he had as much importance and achievements as the protagonist while he was alive. What other character had this? Shane is by far one of the most underrated characters in the series.
@@colemason7443 You're stupid. He really did make a mistake by trying to kiss her by force, but his character is not limited to that isolated act. You're probably a fan of Negan the abuser. Lol
@@colemason7443another american obsessed with raping, you cant distinguish rape from a drunk act of stupidity from someone with deep trauma right, he didnt rape anyone and it wasnt even close because he backed off after the first wake up call lori gave him
I wouldn't say Shane is evil. The only two evil things he'd done was assault Lori when drunk and attempting to kill rick. Everything else was because he did it for survival and the tragic thing about his character is that he's the first one to figure out how the world works but can't handle the stress of doing everything that had to be done for example killing Otis was detrimental to Shane's mental health but even rick would have done it in S4 or S5. But the big thing that makes Shane not evil is the fact that he has remorse for killing Otis he has remorse for what happened at the CDC and most of all he feels remorse for being with Lori to begin with OFC he still loves her and tries to rekindle it when but he only ever becomes interested again when he finds out his baby is on the way. The scene where Shane tries to kill rick can be seen as him not being an evil person because Shanes body language is clearly screaming that he doesn't want to kill rick but he thinks he has to. The only reason Shane dies and not rick is because of that. If Shane wanted rick gone 100% and didn't give two shits he'd have shot rick without hesitation but he didn't. All together Shane is bad but redeemable
@@MagnusRobert rick literally says to Shane on the road in S2 ep 10 "u think I wouldn't have done it?" And follows with "to keep Carl alive I'd have done anything" and Randell participated in rape and ran with ppl who were murderers and rapists 💀
@@trizard3940There's a difference between doing and saying my dude. Part of that conversation is a macho masculinity dick-measuring contest. I mean at the end of the day Otis was innocent. He could have made it to safety with the meds for Carl, I'm pretty confident Rick would sacrifice himself before he did Otis. Even in Season 6, where Rick tells Glenn and the others to leave the Alexandrians, he says you try to save them but if they slow you down keep going. He still says try to save them. Sure, he's saying put your lives ahead of theirs but Shane wasn't even about that. He gave no shits about looking for Sophia, Shane was only interested in keeping Lori and Carl safe. No one else. Randall did run with rapists but did he do it too? He'd only recently joined that group and claimed he wasn't involved. Either way, even if he was a rapist Shane killed him in cold blood, that's evil imo.
@@MagnusRobert if Shane didn't care about the group he wouldn't have led all those people out of Atlanta in the first place and he wouldn't have kept a group of people safe. Shane also saves Otis several times before figuring out that they'd both die like in the gym when Otis gets grabbed Shane shoots the walker but he could have just let Otis die and run
@@gerardmcquade9102 yes but many of these characters committed unnecessary murders that are still deeply immoral in an apocalypse. I agree that some kills are necessary/morally justified, but most aren’t
I don't think the Dawn Lerner deserve be on Evil, She really tried to build a place good for living, But in a bad way allowing sexual abusers and morally questionable persons in the power, But yeah in my opinion she deserve something like Bit of a bad guy and maybe a Bad but redeemable.
Honestly some placements made sense and some didn't. You're just blinded by the outpost incident while forgetting that it's a survive or die scenario. The Saviors attacked the main protagonist group first and they were lucky enough to escape. They would die if there wasn't a bazooka inside the van.So the intention of the saviors was 100% kill.You'd also be a part of the outpost incident in real life scenario.
@@PaskalLaksap I’m not arguing it wasn’t the right decision I’m just saying the way it was executed was immoral. I think in some ways attacking them was justified but the way they went about it was pretty evil.
I think the satellite outpost kinda screwed this list up. Like, putting Allen 2 tiers below Abraham just for wanting to attack the prison, even though the whole reason Abraham is as far down as he is is for killing people at the Satellite outpost. I'm not sure there's a reasonable argument to be made that wanting to attack a place is 2 moral tiers below killing in cold blood while attacking a place.
Glenn... morally meh... how dare you. Number one, f*ck those sleeper saviors, all my homies hate those sleeper saviors. Number two... how dare you sir.
Haven’t watched the video yet, I’m about to. But right now, I think the most evil characters are hands down Garreth and his group. On the hierarchy of taboo, cannibalism is just too much. The Reapers, the Wolves, the Whisperers, the Governor, Negan, and others did awful and sickening things. I’m not trying to downplay those things. But cannibalism is a whole different level of villainy. The fact that they were able to resort to that not even a year into the apocalypse is awful.
And i don't think Governor deserves pure demon category either. Guy just lost everything he ever had. First was his wife, even before apocalypse (tragic enough) Second was his daughter (after he already found safest place possible in apocalypse- which is worse than unlucky) 3rd- was his daughter again- Even after getting bit she kept him holding onto the hope that he won't lost himself from all the things outside- he also had to keep heads in tanks to get used for horrors lurking outside, and was killed by someone who never had to right to do that (michonne)- nobody should be allowed to do that other than parrent The fact he had to witness his daughter die before him is fucking sick/unimagenable pain... Esspecialy when you have no one else🙁 4th point: After he gone alone becouse he had to gun down his people.. he found another family (Tara's) and another daughter but he still couldn't stand idea that he would be responsible again.. in charge (becouse he knew what and how bad things he would do for that). So he tried to get out and was stopped by plot.. 5th time he found himself in a wrong place on a wrong time with his family, in the Martinez camp.. like if things can't go fucking worse. 6th: He sees that the camp isn't safe with leadership as it is so he tries to escape with tara's family for sake of that safety but he is once again stopped. Like if the fate itself didn't let him choose anything... 7th time: When Martinez reveals himself as a weak leader by saying "Maybe we can share the crown a little" - true leader does never ever share or question his own leadership.. was last straw for Philip. He must do what has to be done. When he tries to take the only choice he can have in this time (prison) and he can't get it diplomaticly, he looses it, then during the battle his "last" daughter dies again and he has nothing left.. he ultimately gets shot by the same girlfriend he tried to protect. (Pretty damn tragic man.) Note: this doesn't take his deeds likely, some of them were certainly evil, some of them acceptable during time you never know and you have to protect/provide whole town..
@@MagnusRobertYeah but the way it was every evil or non evil act has it's own reason.. and i don't think this guy particulary deserves being absoulte devil, he fits into Evil category nearly perfectly (even tho i would preffer if there was broken category) also i heavily disagree with Negan.. i mean if Governor is devil, then Negan was "Bit of bad guy"? Dude laughed while litteraly smashing someone's head and mocked it.. even for Governor it would be damn disgusting to do, Negan was flaming psychopath as ever.
very good analysis. Contrary to what most think, Governor did not attack the prison out of envy or revenge, but rather because he thought that place was the safest to take care of his new family. He would actually let Rick go, probably.
@@sasukeuchiha1568not true at all. if that were the case, why didn’t he accept Rick’s offer? why did he destroy the prison? why did he show no emotion when putting Megan down? Lilly killed him for a reason. he was “too far gone”, this is so explicitly portrayed
Alright, no hate, this is an awsome video, and I agree with most of these but honestly I think Glenn in morally meh even with the satellite outpost is a bit harsh personally I would put him in mostly good
Id say Carl is arguably a saint. Yes he was pretty heartless in the earlier seasons, but i feel like his emotions were all over the place since hes so young, his mother had recently died and i understand him not trusting that guy he shot in the woods. after season 4 he saw his father being brutal, as in the neck biting scene etc, i honestly think hes grown to a saint in s6+ but also considering what hes done in the past id bump him down to innocent maybe mostly good. ( in my opinion )
1:23:10 I disagree, heavily, with Shane's placement. Yes, he tried to rape Lori, however he managed to redeem himself by saving Carl's life (atleast in Lori's eyes). Of course, he had to sacrifice Otis for that to happen but there was literally no other way for either of them to get out of there without sacrificing the other. Not only did Shane have a sprained ankle but both him and Otis were pretty exhausted, so the horde of zombies was going to, inevitably, catch up to them unless something happened to distract them. With Randall, it was obvious that this guy was bad news from the start. Not only did Randall try to kill Rick, Glenn and Hershel when he was first introduced, but he ran with a large group that had a few members in it who didn't have a problem with raping two girls in front of their father (yes, he said he didn't touch them but he could've been lying, and even if he wasn't, we have no reason to assume that he tried to stop it). Also Randall knew where the farm was, and he knew that his people were only about five miles away from it. With Shane knowing this, it would've been stupid of him to let Randall live by that point. Now, of course, Shane's worst crime was trying to kill Rick and there's no justifying it, but I don't think it's enough to label him as evil. I think Shane should be in "bad but redeemable".
im going to address the main characters within the show: Rick is a good person. he's done bad things, made cold and ruthless decisions. and although alot of it was bad, he sorta had to do alot of those things in order to fight for who he loved and his people. the same could be said about many other characters like Abraham, Daryl, Michonne, Carol, and Maggie in the earlier seasons. Maggie started off as a good character though later on she became more willing to kill, like when she killed a few residents in the Woodbury. but considering what was done to her and Glenn and Daryl being captured by The Governor, it's very understandable that she did that. however from what I've seen in the the spinoff, she seems like a complete cunt sometimes and is too dead set on killing Negan to the point where it seems to get in the way of her finding her son. so not only is she not a very good person, she's also a bit of a moron, or a nutjob. Abraham is one of the morally best characters in the group. i'm surprised you put him on that rank. i mean yeah, the guy is aggressive, enjoys violence, and has killed people but he's almost always killed people who deserved to die. he's never killed an innocent life just for the hell of it. Rick is far more morally ambiguous than Abraham. Carol, of course, starts off as a decent person who minds her own business. but loosing her daughter kind of drove her a bit crazy. she's also made alot of ruthless decisions like killing Lizzie. but you also have to understand that Lizzie was completely nuts (likely a schizophrenic) and having her around would surely end up in Judith's death, and maybe even her and Tyreese's deaths. though as time went on she became more comfortable with killing. I'm not too sure as to what happened to her after she kinda went a bit crazy in late season 6 since i sort of tuned out of the show, but from what i can tell, she's a good person in her core, but she's made alot of questionable decision that many people just couldn't make, which speaks both to her strength, but also maybe having a deranged mind due to trauma, but not really moral ambiguity since we know why she's doing what she's doing. Glenn is, morally, one of the few characters who can both be a very good person, but also not a cowardly piece of shit. He is brave, and had made some reckless decisions. But he's hardly ever made any evil, or even ruthless decisions. He does, however, kill two saviors in their sleep. and even though that's presented as an important moment for his character as well as for the whole group, i think that whole sequence was a bit poorly executed and out of character for both Rick and Glenn, and maybe even Daryl. at that point, the saviors hardly messed with Rick and they are presented by Jesus. the only interaction Rick's group and the saviors had was when Daryl, Abe, and Sasha met a few saviors on motorcycle. But Daryl killed them all and left no survivors to tell the story. Negan would maybe find out they've been killed but that would be the moment where the saviors get involved with Rick and the group. Rick wouldn't realistically risk getting into a war with a new faction (which would result in the deaths of many Alexandrians and possibly his people, including his son and infant daughter) by murdering people in their sleep, which is probably the most evil thing Rick and his group has ever done. so, due to how out-of-character that whole event was, and how poorly written it is, I'm not counting it. so removing that, Glenn hasn't done almost anything evil, to the point where he even lets people he should've killed live, like Nicholas. Hershel is another character who is completely good. He was a bit of a stubborn ass sometimes in early season 2. but the guy saved the son a man he didn't know, accepted Glenn as his son in law, provided a home for a group of people he didn't even know, often checked on Lori when she was pregnant, helped cure a whole group of people with ebola despite being an old man with a weaker immune system due to his age, and has advised Rick to made good decisions, but still be a leader. if you think about it, he's one of the most admirable characters in the entire show. Dale was also a good man to the point of being a bit foolish and naive. he has a certain wisdom about him, due to being an old man. but he fails to realize how dangerous it could be to let a guy like Randall survive. but despite this, he's a good man who finds it almost impossible to do a bad thing. Hershel on the other hand, could kill someone or make a tough decision if it's for a good reason, or if it's the right choice. Despite his delusional beliefs of zombies in the first half of S2, Hershel is a more logical thinker, whereas Dale is a bit illogical and emotional. Shane starts off as a seemingly good person, but of course, he's a man driven by his rage and his passions to the point where he is driven completely insane. so he slowly becomes more and more to a slave of his wrath, which of course makes him a pretty bad person. The Governor is an evil person, thru-and-thru. he isn't as evil as Gareth or even Joe, but he seems like he is because he probably the most intelligent character on the show if you really think about it. so despite having some morals and not being a full-on psychopath (more like a sociopath), he's still seemingly more evil than these characters because his high level of intelligence and lack of optimism makes him a far more effective characters. the same could even be said for Negan. i know his character is further explored later. But Negan's charisma and his social intelligence (and this is combined with his scary looks in the comics) and his intimidation methods (although poorly executed in the show) is what makes him so effective as a villain. or at least it's what's supposed to make him as effective. characters like Joe and Gareth run purely on evil juice. there is almost nothing redeemable about these characters to the point where it's almost comical. but at the same time, both are pretty charismatic and are clearly psychopaths. i have a strong feeling that Joe as always been this way, even before the apocalypse. and i think Gareth is one of those people who sort of figures out he's a psycho or sociopath after doing horrific things and not really being emotionally effected by it. other characters like T-Dog, Bob, and Beth are just good people. Eugene is a complete coward, and to be honest, on some level, that's a morally bad thing. but later on he sorta goes against Negan after siding with him. And i THINK that sort of solidified him as brave in his own way. he's a cowardly guy, but still has the potential to have balls of steel. much like Saul Goodman from BB/BCS or Samwell Tarly from GOT/ASOIAF.
How does Maggie let her hatred for Negan get in the way of finding Hershel? I wouldn’t say Gareth is as morally corrupt as most rank him. And he does have redeeming qualities-Terminus was once a genuine sanctuary for all. They went out of their way to save people, which eventually attracted raping brutalists. Their villain origin story is extremely tragic and actually provides sufficient explanation for how they turned out, unlike characters like Negan who simply lost his spouse then turns into a sadistic raping enslaving dictator. And although it’s disgusting, they kill for a purpose, unlike most of the other villains
nah, you put the hospital leader in evil? she allowed rapists to maintain a position of power. it's one thing when you can't stop it but she could've just killed him. daryl s2 torturing was justified since they were extremely scared due to randall's group being the first bad people they faced. keep in mind that he did not torture lydia, but instead made her talk with henry to gather info while being nice to her
@@izumi2165 the only reason Dawn isn’t in demon is because I do believe if she could she would stop the rapes, plus she’s not herself committing them and she’s not as savage as the Governor or the cannibals I don’t and won’t justify torturing Randall I understand why the group do it but it’s just a hard no on torture for me, maybe our morals are different there. He did intimidate Lydia tho, maybe not torture but she is a child so if were to torture her he’d be lower but he did torture someone in Daryl Dixon season 1, yes it lead to crucial info but still for me the ends don’t justify the means.
@@izumi2165 the only reason Dawn isn’t in demon is because I do believe if she could she would stop the rapes, plus she’s not herself committing them and she’s not as savage as the Governor or the cannibals I don’t and won’t justify torturing Randall I understand why the group do it but it’s just a hard no on torture for me, maybe our morals are different there. He did intimidate Lydia tho, maybe not torture but she is a child so if were to torture her he’d be lower but he did torture someone in Daryl Dixon season 1, yes it lead to crucial info but still for me the ends don’t justify the means.
@@MagnusRobertI have heard somewhere that lizzie might be schizophrenic. To label a mentally ill child evil purely for being mentally ill isn’t the best. Lizzie is delusional and unfortunately she had no accommodations to help her
negan is not evil, he killed them because rick 1st kiled his group. yes he was taking supplies from others but somebody had to take control over others
Negan is very evil. He kept woman as concubines who didn’t really wanna be there, he enslaved groups, Negan didn’t just kill abe because rick killed his group, he always kills one person to introduce himself to the group.
Negan was a horrible person, objectively just an absolute monster but he acknowledged his wrongdoings and actually feels guilt and remorse for the horrible shit he did and that is redemption in itself. He knows for a fact that he is an irredeemable bastard and thats the paradox I guess
@@AlexanderCarlsson-u5l Have you? For the record I can’t tell by your standard if that’s too high or too low lol so clarify and I’ll explain my reasoning
You're insane putting Dale under saint. That man was horrible for what he did to Andrea. HIm manipulating Andrea to leave the CDC was disgusting. Screw Dale. I'd also put Lori in pure evil. Shane I'd place in mostly good.
You're insane. He stopped someone from committing suicide, putting himself in harm's way. I'm sorry but it's not good when people kill themselves lol. Lori in pure evil ? You're crazy and Shane in mostly good? You know he tried to kill Rick in cold blood right? You know he tried to assault Lori right?
@@MagnusRobert In my opinion shane actually deserve stay on bad but redeemable, But after he tried to assault Lori and tried to kill rick he deserve Evil
Shane only cared about himself, Lori and Carl, in that order. He would've sacrificed every single person in their group to save the three of them. Dale was right about absolutely everything he did. Putting the most good character in the entire show lower, while putting an egomaniacal murderer in "mostly good" is insane.
The governour is certainly more evil than negan
Why?
@@BlakeH..888_Negan actually redeemed himself, Governor had a chance at redemption as well but blew it for power and brutally killed Hershel. Governor was sick and twisted.
No they are same
@@flaufher06_ negan has a system and isnt pure evil, he does it for reasons and is really not that bad of a guy. The governor kills people for the sake of killing people which makes him a more evil person
@@flaufher06_ I think Negan does more noble things but some of the thangs the Governor does are way more twisted that Negan
The governor in the comics was so beyond crazy he makes the tv version look like a tele tubby
@@Untitled_-_Productions. aye
Nah some of the stuff he did makes homelander look like a saint. Like I can’t even say some of the stuff he was doing in the comics
lmao bumping glenn that far down for the outpost attacks is kind of insane. He wasn’t in the right for it, but he also was A. protecting his family and pregnant wife, B. He was under orders from Rick and C. it was for food for people he knew, and the saviors were a group of terrorists that killed hilltopians, he was trying to prevent the same fate for alexandria.
He’s not a saint, but he’s still mostly good
@@divekingfan7150 yes I was a bit harsh on Glenn
The act of sparing Nicholas is enough to make him a saint.
@@HenzoW-cf3mh maybe not a saint but probs would put him in mostly good on reflection
@@MagnusRobert even Dale would have considered killing him (not that he has the physical capabilities to do so). That action was so kind that I found myself realising that he’s better than most of the others and even myself in reflection because how can someone consciously plot to murder me like a coward but without remorse and I’m supposed to forgive that and pretend it never happened. I’ll go as far as to say he’s more of a saint than most humans full stop but I won’t discredit what he did at that outpost. He was a saint pre outpost tho imo.
@@HenzoW-cf3mh oh yeah pre outpost he’d be in saint.
Morally Best: Eastman
Morally Worst: The Governor
eastman starved crighton dallas wilton to death lmao
In my opinion shane is overrated in the community of twd I mean he tried to kill his best friend to get his wife and son and he tried to assault lori and he killed a innocent (sry for bad english)
@@Midnight-fp5vv I mean I’m not arguing he’s a good person but as a villain but as a character he’s great.
You only literally mentioned the guy's mistakes, but he had a lot more successes. He was the strongest character, the best shooter and the one with the most evolved mentality at the beginning of the apocalypse, who adapted most to how the world was and how people were. Besides, he had as much importance and achievements as the protagonist while he was alive. What other character had this? Shane is by far one of the most underrated characters in the series.
@@sasukeuchiha1568 bruh your talking pretty highly on a attempted rapist.
@@colemason7443 You're stupid. He really did make a mistake by trying to kiss her by force, but his character is not limited to that isolated act. You're probably a fan of Negan the abuser. Lol
@@colemason7443another american obsessed with raping, you cant distinguish rape from a drunk act of stupidity from someone with deep trauma right, he didnt rape anyone and it wasnt even close because he backed off after the first wake up call lori gave him
the attack on the satellite outpost really bothered this guy
Yeah murdering ppl in their sleep is kinda wild.
I wouldn't say Shane is evil. The only two evil things he'd done was assault Lori when drunk and attempting to kill rick. Everything else was because he did it for survival and the tragic thing about his character is that he's the first one to figure out how the world works but can't handle the stress of doing everything that had to be done for example killing Otis was detrimental to Shane's mental health but even rick would have done it in S4 or S5. But the big thing that makes Shane not evil is the fact that he has remorse for killing Otis he has remorse for what happened at the CDC and most of all he feels remorse for being with Lori to begin with OFC he still loves her and tries to rekindle it when but he only ever becomes interested again when he finds out his baby is on the way. The scene where Shane tries to kill rick can be seen as him not being an evil person because Shanes body language is clearly screaming that he doesn't want to kill rick but he thinks he has to. The only reason Shane dies and not rick is because of that. If Shane wanted rick gone 100% and didn't give two shits he'd have shot rick without hesitation but he didn't. All together Shane is bad but redeemable
I don't buy S4 or S5 Rick would do that to Otis.
Shane killed Randall too. He was evil.
@@MagnusRobert well Randell participated in rape 💀
@@MagnusRobert rick literally says to Shane on the road in S2 ep 10 "u think I wouldn't have done it?" And follows with "to keep Carl alive I'd have done anything" and Randell participated in rape and ran with ppl who were murderers and rapists 💀
@@trizard3940There's a difference between doing and saying my dude. Part of that conversation is a macho masculinity dick-measuring contest. I mean at the end of the day Otis was innocent. He could have made it to safety with the meds for Carl, I'm pretty confident Rick would sacrifice himself before he did Otis. Even in Season 6, where Rick tells Glenn and the others to leave the Alexandrians, he says you try to save them but if they slow you down keep going. He still says try to save them. Sure, he's saying put your lives ahead of theirs but Shane wasn't even about that. He gave no shits about looking for Sophia, Shane was only interested in keeping Lori and Carl safe. No one else.
Randall did run with rapists but did he do it too? He'd only recently joined that group and claimed he wasn't involved. Either way, even if he was a rapist Shane killed him in cold blood, that's evil imo.
@@MagnusRobert if Shane didn't care about the group he wouldn't have led all those people out of Atlanta in the first place and he wouldn't have kept a group of people safe. Shane also saves Otis several times before figuring out that they'd both die like in the gym when Otis gets grabbed Shane shoots the walker but he could have just let Otis die and run
Movie was called "Alive" soccer team crashed in the Andes mountains and resulted to cannibalism to survive
doing some things in an apocalyptic world is less bad than doing it in a non apocalyptic world
true, the one thing that never changes in terms of morality is sexual assault. which is why all the sexual assaulters should be listed low
@@jasminetpf6366 yes but he was talking about killing and everything else like it is not an apocalypse and not necessary to do those things
@@gerardmcquade9102 yes but many of these characters committed unnecessary murders that are still deeply immoral in an apocalypse. I agree that some kills are necessary/morally justified, but most aren’t
@@jasminetpf6366 there was some not most of them
For me I would say beta was pure demon ‘ I mean the dood murdered his own group for no reason
Same.
Bruh Merle is pittomy of "Bad but redeemable"
He didn’t have enough time to make his full redemption. He was going on the right path but he wanted to put an end to all the drama.
I don't think the Dawn Lerner deserve be on Evil, She really tried to build a place good for living, But in a bad way allowing sexual abusers and morally questionable persons in the power, But yeah in my opinion she deserve something like Bit of a bad guy and maybe a Bad but redeemable.
Honestly some placements made sense and some didn't. You're just blinded by the outpost incident while forgetting that it's a survive or die scenario. The Saviors attacked the main protagonist group first and they were lucky enough to escape. They would die if there wasn't a bazooka inside the van.So the intention of the saviors was 100% kill.You'd also be a part of the outpost incident in real life scenario.
@@PaskalLaksap I’m not arguing it wasn’t the right decision I’m just saying the way it was executed was immoral. I think in some ways attacking them was justified but the way they went about it was pretty evil.
@@MagnusRobert I agree on this.The way it was executed was morally bad but it is redeemable in the situation they were atm
I think the satellite outpost kinda screwed this list up. Like, putting Allen 2 tiers below Abraham just for wanting to attack the prison, even though the whole reason Abraham is as far down as he is is for killing people at the Satellite outpost. I'm not sure there's a reasonable argument to be made that wanting to attack a place is 2 moral tiers below killing in cold blood while attacking a place.
Love the quick to the point explanations! Thanks!
Shane isnt evil, he was ahead of the curve
exactly
ah yes someone trying to sa somebody isn't evil
@@Alcoholic_Driver bro learn English before posting
@@candysus it is English just say you can’t read🤦♂️😭
@@Alcoholic_Driver urban English you mean
what a great idea of a video... i didn't watch it at its full yet, but the idea is brilliant
I hate when people say Lori is a bad mother when Rick clearly isn't that helpful in taking care of Carl either.
this doesnt really relate to this video specifically but ur actually fun to watch and ur personality is actually nice keep it up
Good tier list idea
You put Tara here just because she wanted to kill her girlfriend's murderer... Ok dude...
@@Butterfly_8_Effect yeah on second thought I was too mean to Tara
It’s an apocalyptic world where survival is the main goal
are you not doing your background character stories anymore? maybe for the spin offs if you have done the main show
screaming “HES A PEDOPHILE HES A PEDOPHILE” when axel gets put into decent
Pedophile? Axel? What did he do? I watched twd but a pedophile? No
Glenn... morally meh... how dare you. Number one, f*ck those sleeper saviors, all my homies hate those sleeper saviors. Number two...
how dare you sir.
Haven’t watched the video yet, I’m about to. But right now, I think the most evil characters are hands down Garreth and his group. On the hierarchy of taboo, cannibalism is just too much. The Reapers, the Wolves, the Whisperers, the Governor, Negan, and others did awful and sickening things. I’m not trying to downplay those things. But cannibalism is a whole different level of villainy. The fact that they were able to resort to that not even a year into the apocalypse is awful.
@@austinb2177 well the cannibalism on its own isn’t bad, it’s luring and trapping people just to eat them that’s the sick and twisted part
And i don't think Governor deserves pure demon category either. Guy just lost everything he ever had.
First was his wife, even before apocalypse (tragic enough)
Second was his daughter (after he already found safest place possible in apocalypse- which is worse than unlucky)
3rd- was his daughter again- Even after getting bit she kept him holding onto the hope that he won't lost himself from all the things outside- he also had to keep heads in tanks to get used for horrors lurking outside, and was killed by someone who never had to right to do that (michonne)- nobody should be allowed to do that other than parrent
The fact he had to witness his daughter die before him is fucking sick/unimagenable pain... Esspecialy when you have no one else🙁
4th point: After he gone alone becouse he had to gun down his people.. he found another family (Tara's) and another daughter but he still couldn't stand idea that he would be responsible again.. in charge (becouse he knew what and how bad things he would do for that).
So he tried to get out and was stopped by plot..
5th time he found himself in a wrong place on a wrong time with his family, in the Martinez camp.. like if things can't go fucking worse.
6th: He sees that the camp isn't safe with leadership as it is so he tries to escape with tara's family for sake of that safety but he is once again stopped.
Like if the fate itself didn't let him choose anything...
7th time:
When Martinez reveals himself as a weak leader by saying "Maybe we can share the crown a little" - true leader does never ever share or question his own leadership.. was last straw for Philip. He must do what has to be done.
When he tries to take the only choice he can have in this time (prison) and he can't get it diplomaticly, he looses it, then during the battle his "last" daughter dies again and he has nothing left.. he ultimately gets shot by the same girlfriend he tried to protect.
(Pretty damn tragic man.)
Note: this doesn't take his deeds likely, some of them were certainly evil, some of them acceptable during time you never know and you have to protect/provide whole town..
Yeah I did consider his good deeds and he certainly was sometimes a good man but he just did so much evil stuff I don’t think it balances it out
@@MagnusRobertYeah but the way it was every evil or non evil act has it's own reason.. and i don't think this guy particulary deserves being absoulte devil, he fits into Evil category nearly perfectly (even tho i would preffer if there was broken category) also i heavily disagree with Negan.. i mean if Governor is devil, then Negan was "Bit of bad guy"? Dude laughed while litteraly smashing someone's head and mocked it.. even for Governor it would be damn disgusting to do, Negan was flaming psychopath as ever.
very good analysis. Contrary to what most think, Governor did not attack the prison out of envy or revenge, but rather because he thought that place was the safest to take care of his new family. He would actually let Rick go, probably.
@@sasukeuchiha1568not true at all. if that were the case, why didn’t he accept Rick’s offer? why did he destroy the prison? why did he show no emotion when putting Megan down? Lilly killed him for a reason. he was “too far gone”, this is so explicitly portrayed
Rick did more horrible stuff than Shane ever did. Both should be in the same category.
Shane must be proud
But Rick lived a lot longer...
@@djkin5501 It's like nazism and communism, both are terrible, doesn't matter one lasts longer.
@@JarinCOD it does because clearly Shane would do more horrible sht over time...
@@djkin5501 I think he would be pretty chill if he got Lori and Carl :D and Negan wouldn't stand a chance.
Alright, no hate, this is an awsome video, and I agree with most of these but honestly I think Glenn in morally meh even with the satellite outpost is a bit harsh personally I would put him in mostly good
I wouldn’t say Rick is bad, most things he did was to protect his family (the group)
Id say Carl is arguably a saint. Yes he was pretty heartless in the earlier seasons, but i feel like his emotions were all over the place since hes so young, his mother had recently died and i understand him not trusting that guy he shot in the woods. after season 4 he saw his father being brutal, as in the neck biting scene etc, i honestly think hes grown to a saint in s6+ but also considering what hes done in the past id bump him down to innocent maybe mostly good.
( in my opinion )
@@Metaaz fair point
i think we dont see the same show and we had a very very opposite comprehension sadly but its happen
Yeah, you need to do a rewatch
@@MagnusRobert you too.
1:23:10 I disagree, heavily, with Shane's placement.
Yes, he tried to rape Lori, however he managed to redeem himself by saving Carl's life (atleast in Lori's eyes).
Of course, he had to sacrifice Otis for that to happen but there was literally no other way for either of them to get out of there without sacrificing the other. Not only did Shane have a sprained ankle but both him and Otis were pretty exhausted, so the horde of zombies was going to, inevitably, catch up to them unless something happened to distract them.
With Randall, it was obvious that this guy was bad news from the start. Not only did Randall try to kill Rick, Glenn and Hershel when he was first introduced, but he ran with a large group that had a few members in it who didn't have a problem with raping two girls in front of their father (yes, he said he didn't touch them but he could've been lying, and even if he wasn't, we have no reason to assume that he tried to stop it).
Also Randall knew where the farm was, and he knew that his people were only about five miles away from it. With Shane knowing this, it would've been stupid of him to let Randall live by that point.
Now, of course, Shane's worst crime was trying to kill Rick and there's no justifying it, but I don't think it's enough to label him as evil. I think Shane should be in "bad but redeemable".
I’m so pissed you spent 10 seconds on Martinez
A true politicians view of morals☠️🤦🏾♂️
What ? 😂
Might be better to rank who is the most sociopathic or psychopathic. Or Who’s the biggest Narcissist? Nice pickins there!
You forgot Bob Adams
ngl at some points your moral standard was so high I was afraid you will say they should have just talked it out with the walkers.
Well good thing I didn’t
Aaron is an angel so immediately I was like nah.
Tortured an innocent man in season 11 resulting in said man losing an arm...ummm okay
1:13:11 woah woah woah!!
Bad but redeemable is Anti hero like
Nah, you did glenn dirty
rick s5 really best villain
Everybody lost everything they had.
im going to address the main characters within the show:
Rick is a good person. he's done bad things, made cold and ruthless decisions. and although alot of it was bad, he sorta had to do alot of those things in order to fight for who he loved and his people. the same could be said about many other characters like Abraham, Daryl, Michonne, Carol, and Maggie in the earlier seasons.
Maggie started off as a good character though later on she became more willing to kill, like when she killed a few residents in the Woodbury. but considering what was done to her and Glenn and Daryl being captured by The Governor, it's very understandable that she did that. however from what I've seen in the the spinoff, she seems like a complete cunt sometimes and is too dead set on killing Negan to the point where it seems to get in the way of her finding her son. so not only is she not a very good person, she's also a bit of a moron, or a nutjob.
Abraham is one of the morally best characters in the group. i'm surprised you put him on that rank. i mean yeah, the guy is aggressive, enjoys violence, and has killed people but he's almost always killed people who deserved to die. he's never killed an innocent life just for the hell of it. Rick is far more morally ambiguous than Abraham.
Carol, of course, starts off as a decent person who minds her own business. but loosing her daughter kind of drove her a bit crazy. she's also made alot of ruthless decisions like killing Lizzie. but you also have to understand that Lizzie was completely nuts (likely a schizophrenic) and having her around would surely end up in Judith's death, and maybe even her and Tyreese's deaths. though as time went on she became more comfortable with killing. I'm not too sure as to what happened to her after she kinda went a bit crazy in late season 6 since i sort of tuned out of the show, but from what i can tell, she's a good person in her core, but she's made alot of questionable decision that many people just couldn't make, which speaks both to her strength, but also maybe having a deranged mind due to trauma, but not really moral ambiguity since we know why she's doing what she's doing.
Glenn is, morally, one of the few characters who can both be a very good person, but also not a cowardly piece of shit. He is brave, and had made some reckless decisions. But he's hardly ever made any evil, or even ruthless decisions. He does, however, kill two saviors in their sleep. and even though that's presented as an important moment for his character as well as for the whole group, i think that whole sequence was a bit poorly executed and out of character for both Rick and Glenn, and maybe even Daryl. at that point, the saviors hardly messed with Rick and they are presented by Jesus. the only interaction Rick's group and the saviors had was when Daryl, Abe, and Sasha met a few saviors on motorcycle. But Daryl killed them all and left no survivors to tell the story. Negan would maybe find out they've been killed but that would be the moment where the saviors get involved with Rick and the group. Rick wouldn't realistically risk getting into a war with a new faction (which would result in the deaths of many Alexandrians and possibly his people, including his son and infant daughter) by murdering people in their sleep, which is probably the most evil thing Rick and his group has ever done. so, due to how out-of-character that whole event was, and how poorly written it is, I'm not counting it. so removing that, Glenn hasn't done almost anything evil, to the point where he even lets people he should've killed live, like Nicholas.
Hershel is another character who is completely good. He was a bit of a stubborn ass sometimes in early season 2. but the guy saved the son a man he didn't know, accepted Glenn as his son in law, provided a home for a group of people he didn't even know, often checked on Lori when she was pregnant, helped cure a whole group of people with ebola despite being an old man with a weaker immune system due to his age, and has advised Rick to made good decisions, but still be a leader. if you think about it, he's one of the most admirable characters in the entire show.
Dale was also a good man to the point of being a bit foolish and naive. he has a certain wisdom about him, due to being an old man. but he fails to realize how dangerous it could be to let a guy like Randall survive. but despite this, he's a good man who finds it almost impossible to do a bad thing. Hershel on the other hand, could kill someone or make a tough decision if it's for a good reason, or if it's the right choice. Despite his delusional beliefs of zombies in the first half of S2, Hershel is a more logical thinker, whereas Dale is a bit illogical and emotional.
Shane starts off as a seemingly good person, but of course, he's a man driven by his rage and his passions to the point where he is driven completely insane. so he slowly becomes more and more to a slave of his wrath, which of course makes him a pretty bad person.
The Governor is an evil person, thru-and-thru. he isn't as evil as Gareth or even Joe, but he seems like he is because he probably the most intelligent character on the show if you really think about it. so despite having some morals and not being a full-on psychopath (more like a sociopath), he's still seemingly more evil than these characters because his high level of intelligence and lack of optimism makes him a far more effective characters. the same could even be said for Negan. i know his character is further explored later. But Negan's charisma and his social intelligence (and this is combined with his scary looks in the comics) and his intimidation methods (although poorly executed in the show) is what makes him so effective as a villain. or at least it's what's supposed to make him as effective.
characters like Joe and Gareth run purely on evil juice. there is almost nothing redeemable about these characters to the point where it's almost comical. but at the same time, both are pretty charismatic and are clearly psychopaths. i have a strong feeling that Joe as always been this way, even before the apocalypse. and i think Gareth is one of those people who sort of figures out he's a psycho or sociopath after doing horrific things and not really being emotionally effected by it.
other characters like T-Dog, Bob, and Beth are just good people.
Eugene is a complete coward, and to be honest, on some level, that's a morally bad thing. but later on he sorta goes against Negan after siding with him. And i THINK that sort of solidified him as brave in his own way. he's a cowardly guy, but still has the potential to have balls of steel. much like Saul Goodman from BB/BCS or Samwell Tarly from GOT/ASOIAF.
How does Maggie let her hatred for Negan get in the way of finding Hershel?
I wouldn’t say Gareth is as morally corrupt as most rank him. And he does have redeeming qualities-Terminus was once a genuine sanctuary for all. They went out of their way to save people, which eventually attracted raping brutalists. Their villain origin story is extremely tragic and actually provides sufficient explanation for how they turned out, unlike characters like Negan who simply lost his spouse then turns into a sadistic raping enslaving dictator. And although it’s disgusting, they kill for a purpose, unlike most of the other villains
nah, you put the hospital leader in evil? she allowed rapists to maintain a position of power. it's one thing when you can't stop it but she could've just killed him.
daryl s2 torturing was justified since they were extremely scared due to randall's group being the first bad people they faced. keep in mind that he did not torture lydia, but instead made her talk with henry to gather info while being nice to her
@@izumi2165 the only reason Dawn isn’t in demon is because I do believe if she could she would stop the rapes, plus she’s not herself committing them and she’s not as savage as the Governor or the cannibals
I don’t and won’t justify torturing Randall I understand why the group do it but it’s just a hard no on torture for me, maybe our morals are different there. He did intimidate Lydia tho, maybe not torture but she is a child so if were to torture her he’d be lower but he did torture someone in Daryl Dixon season 1, yes it lead to crucial info but still for me the ends don’t justify the means.
@@izumi2165 the only reason Dawn isn’t in demon is because I do believe if she could she would stop the rapes, plus she’s not herself committing them and she’s not as savage as the Governor or the cannibals
I don’t and won’t justify torturing Randall I understand why the group do it but it’s just a hard no on torture for me, maybe our morals are different there. He did intimidate Lydia tho, maybe not torture but she is a child so if were to torture her he’d be lower but he did torture someone in Daryl Dixon season 1, yes it lead to crucial info but still for me the ends don’t justify the means.
You think TORTURING someone can be justified by being scared of a group who had no idea where they were and no way of finding out?
I think Glenn would be in mostly good
Lizza is Pure devil are you serious😅??
She’s a child with mental issues… she’s just sick
@@MagnusRobertI have heard somewhere that lizzie might be schizophrenic. To label a mentally ill child evil purely for being mentally ill isn’t the best. Lizzie is delusional and unfortunately she had no accommodations to help her
Great video!
negan is not evil, he killed them because rick 1st kiled his group. yes he was taking supplies from others but somebody had to take control over others
Negan is very evil. He kept woman as concubines who didn’t really wanna be there, he enslaved groups, Negan didn’t just kill abe because rick killed his group, he always kills one person to introduce himself to the group.
Negan was a horrible person, objectively just an absolute monster but he acknowledged his wrongdoings and actually feels guilt and remorse for the horrible shit he did and that is redemption in itself. He knows for a fact that he is an irredeemable bastard and thats the paradox I guess
@@mathiasstrom7790when did he acknowledge his wrongdoings?
I feel like you're cornflaking morality and ethics a little bit
Yeah for sure
Great video sir
Carol as bad but redeemable? Have you even watched TwD at all?
@@AlexanderCarlsson-u5l Have you? For the record I can’t tell by your standard if that’s too high or too low lol so clarify and I’ll explain my reasoning
And stronger next please
Sophia💙💔...
ignore the hate by the comments some might not agree l mostly argee tho
Differing opinions isn't hate.
andrea and lori gotta be lower, glenn higher.
Nah Lori and Andrea didn’t execute ppl in their sleep lol
You're insane putting Dale under saint. That man was horrible for what he did to Andrea. HIm manipulating Andrea to leave the CDC was disgusting. Screw Dale. I'd also put Lori in pure evil. Shane I'd place in mostly good.
You're insane. He stopped someone from committing suicide, putting himself in harm's way. I'm sorry but it's not good when people kill themselves lol.
Lori in pure evil ? You're crazy and Shane in mostly good? You know he tried to kill Rick in cold blood right? You know he tried to assault Lori right?
@@MagnusRobert In my opinion shane actually deserve stay on bad but redeemable, But after he tried to assault Lori and tried to kill rick he deserve Evil
And don't forget that he you straight up kill someone to save his arse@@Santins05
Never cook again
Shane only cared about himself, Lori and Carl, in that order. He would've sacrificed every single person in their group to save the three of them. Dale was right about absolutely everything he did. Putting the most good character in the entire show lower, while putting an egomaniacal murderer in "mostly good" is insane.
rick is the worst second piece of shit in the show